alpha-two-artisan-chat

[faint bison]

yeah you're right, but if the node lost i doubt the freeholds owners will have to capacity to protect their freeholds

except if they had a political deal beforehand maybe

[lunar temple]

guilds could defend them just fine i suppose.

all depends

[real fractal]

In before the nodes have 800 billion HP, and no one can DPS it down.

Freeholds I mean

[faint bison]

if they couldn't win the war, they'd probably lose a freehold defense but there is a little chance the freehold gets attacked by less people, true

[real fractal]

Just buy the ones that don’t show up on the map.

[dull smelt]

Anyone know where the NPC that drops the recipe for grass-stained trousers (Garden steward) is in Carphen?

[silver burrow]

Morning, what is new here? 🙂

Scribing?

[violet owl]

What are peoples thoughts on how common the high rarity of things like lumberjacking, mining and herbalism are?

[buoyant wind]

I think its great for testing

[violet owl]

Where hunting is a current new placeholder, but the rarity of this system is a lot more uncommon.
I personally think if lumberjacking, mining and herbalism was a lot harder to find rare and above, it would be better. Thoughts?

[violet owl]

Yeah I can understand this for testing purpose. But what about when it comes to live? Do you think they should be so easy to get?

Like they are now

[buoyant wind]

I spend hours looking for copper so, yeah getting lucky with rare finds of it seem like its a fair trade off. All things can change until live.

[violet owl]

Yeah I can see that. But that will change when live comes, as the tier of resource changes with the level of the node. So there will be more copper and zinc nodes early on, and not being taken up by iron etc.

Lets use mining as an example. I feel like I find more uncommon and above, than I do common.

[silver burrow]

It is predictable and feels like a chore - reseeding system/timers/locations. I would like it to be random with bigger impact coming from your equipment and node buffs.

[violet owl]

I love the fact that craftable gear will be the best gear. But maybe the lower end gear needs a bigger variable. Weapons are fine as they seem to have that. But armour doesn't it appears. Lets use the 2nd Sword Division's Breastplate as an example. It doesn't matter what ingredients you add if it still stays common. The outcome will always be 17 armour, 5 magic resist and 2 constitution.

[silver burrow]

What if different ore or lumber were adding different attributes?

[violet owl]

There is a lot more involved with crafting gear also. It makes no sense for example, to need 20 planks of wood to craft 1 bow. Or 6 otter bones to craft one earing.

This can be fixed by lowering the chance of finding rare, heroic, epic and legendary mats. If these rarities of mats were extremely hard to find, you could then lower the amounts of materials needed to craft such items.

[silver burrow]

Let them have it and move on 🙂

Raptors are a good example.

[violet owl]

Healthy discussion is good for game development 🙂 I should know lol

[potent parcel]

Isn’t that the goal?

Each region will have its own version of materials of each tier, and can craft the same tier of gear, but with different stats depending on the material?

Like bronze in tropics, brass in Riverlands, and zinc in desert

[hybrid swan]

https://ashescodex.com/artisan/profession-planner

I do hope they change or balance the reciepes to need less sharing mats especially for lower at least Master and below level at the moment for alpha testing and beyond it is too restrictive.

[little heath]

So your skills that you raise to apprentice, then to Journeyman, does it still count for the apprentice level, or when it ranks up is it's spot in apprentice freed up

[cyan cove]

Still counts, think of it as at least Apprentice.

[fallen gale]

cant have more than 5 upgraded past novice

[fallen gale]

I answered this question yesterday G

You can have all 5 of your skills at apprentice, but only 4 of those can go to journeyman, only 3 of those skills can go master, and only 2 of those skills can go to GM

[little heath]

Yeah I guess I didn’t understand that point well enough! Crazy restrictive! I like it!

[fallen gale]

Theory is though, once you hit Master in the three if you max them, you can swap the three, You would just lose progress past GM in those skills but you can do it

Because all it does is take the exp from the skill and neuters it back to maxed out master

So until theres a cost and or quests to stop that, you can theorhetically hold onto 3 GM slots

This is also the same for all the apprentice novice stuff

So if you really wanted to you could max every single skill in novice

then hot swap when you needed them

You would just lose any progression into apprentice

[little heath]

Yeah but i bet the leveling process is expensive and long, and losing that progress would be unlucky

[fallen gale]

Yes

Very

Unless you were only aiming for apprentice

[oak spindle]

Any word on when were going to be seeing the rest of the alchemy/scribe/cooking(consumable) crafting recipes actually become available? Lots of the potions and scrolls that merchants sell, or we find in treasure chests, we cant actually craft yet

[near falcon]

This is frustrating for sure. System definitely needs some love but likely not high on priority list

[oak spindle]

Yeah it sucks cause the items themselves are in the game, and i can see the recipes on the codex, but they recipe items themselves arent in the game, as drops or purchasable by merchants

[near falcon]

And getting to apprentice scribing is tough, with currently nothing worth while to craft at that level. It legit cost less to buy an enchant scroll than make one?

[oak spindle]

Yeah im at like 17 scribing now and its annoying that the most useful thing i can craft is the treasure maps lmao

And literally anyone can craft them

[near falcon]

yep! and even then its just novice. almost not worth anymore

[oak spindle]

The stat scrolls are pretty cool, but its expensive as fuck to make them, considering theyre consumables

5 heroic emeralds for 3hrs of +30 int isnt a good ratio lol

[somber crown]

Can people confirm that common (and rarity) for willows on freeholds work yet

[woven stone]

#alpha-two-bugs-issues-old message
It appears its not consitent

but, it could be updated for trees planted after recent updates..maybe..?

[somber crown]

Damn

[rich jolt]

We need the option in either tanning or animal husbandry to turn mountable animals into animal carcasses.

[woven stone]

Does anyone know if huntable otters can be spawned by killing regular otter mobs, or are they strictly static spawns?

[radiant dust]

anyone seen Recipe: Apprentice Scroll of Processing Experience?
its not a thing ey :(

[worn acorn]

A few do but not many

[keen citrus]

is there a Node that has herbalism?

[fallen gale]

Im having issues finding the recipe for enchanted bronze pauldrons, surely it exists?

No markets had them

[rigid surge]

what's the best xp/craft for leatherworking? Is there a sheet with the numbers for the different professions?

[modest wedge]

For Tailoring it was the Boots. I imagine it's the same for LW

[keen citrus]

is there an apprentice weaving node anywhere

found the herbalism node

[hard void]

Are all ores/gem nodes respawn 2 hours till it becomes overharvested ?

[real fractal]

What server?

[crimson salmon]

Honestly fk this game, can you devs make us toggle a freaking choice between tame or meat in this stupid ass hunting garbage crap? ... pretty please ffs. I don't want a friendly bear, all I want is to slice his throat and use his fur as rug, is that too much to ask?

[dull smelt]

still kinda cool tho, let us know if it turns into a mount or a bob

[crimson salmon]

it will stay in storage forever or until one day i can slice his throat

[hard void]

Just hold the bear till they eventually let us slaughter animals at FH

[plush vine]

Or get a sick legendary bear mount to show off like a Shiny pokemon

[hard void]

If only it looked different

Some dude has a rhino mount and that shit looks insane

[somber crown]

Rip - the vendor price of the dried products from the journeyman lumber mill don’t cover the processing costs as much as just selling the normal planks

[blissful swift]

Looking for a laboratory vendor I’d their not one in every node?

[lunar temple]

No

The node has to build a lab. What server?

[round lintel]

can you enchant accesories?

neck ear ring

[lunar temple]

Yes

[wide portal]

Kinda criminal if you don't currently tbh

[sweet elk]

Has anyone got more than uncommon materials from treasure maps?

[wet quarry]

How does the gathering rarity stat work?

Does the 167 rating mean 167% increase compared to normal (100%)?

[left parrot]

https://forums.ashesofcreation.com/discussion/65476/gathering-rarity#latest

no

[wet quarry]

Thanks for the link

[upbeat quartz]

do T1/2/3 materials have different respawn timers?

[left parrot]

stone is 1 hour, metal is 2 hours, most gems are 2 hours, emerald is 4 hours for some reason, willow is 4 hours

[chilly cape]

gotten blue glint and some blue scrolls...all mats have been green though

[sweet elk]

sorry yes i meant materials, yeah thats my experience too. ive just being doing heroic maps and getting green t2 materials

[eager ibex]

Where do I find zinc?

[jade fossil]

Has anyone found a mob called "The Garden Steward"? I want to make Grass Stained Trousers, but I have no idea where the mob drops

[summer elk]

It's kinda bad that resources are spawned with rarity instead of procing on gather, even worse that the rare spawns are in the same place . It just forms the meta of noting down the good spawns and tracking timers

[woven stone]

JM Hunting bags providing resource bonus stacking is already useless enough, but for mounts only?? Lmao

dont worry folks, I will go bank after I finish off these 84 bears

[vast dune]

Ya I questioned that on the app bags

Like wtf you think I'm walking around with 60 mounts for?

🤣

[woven stone]

I fear the GM bags

[vast dune]

YOU CAN NOW STACK 300 MOUNTS!!!!! Ok but like nobody wants that? 🤣

Just add a couple extra storage squares and bump up the rarity bonus and leave us be

[earnest kiln]

how do prosess materials beyond the bacis first one

[frosty jungle]

You need Apprentice in the processing profession and need to go to a node with an Apprentice or higher processing station.

[orchid storm]

do minerals still spawn the same rarity at the same spot with a 2h timer ?

[hard void]

My understanding from reading stuff here: Ores are 2 hours and trees/herbs 4 hours with static rarity. Someone else said since ores spawn fast enough when we were getting Q24 hourly resets that the over harvest mech can happen with it to finally move it after 8 harvests. But since resets aren’t Q24hrs anymore it’s harder to track

[main garnet]

🤷‍♂️

[keen parcel]

are we still unable to gather journeyman level trees on Vyra??

[hard void]

Not for awhile

They went carpentry instead of gathering first

[keen parcel]

oh, they are separate? interesting

[radiant dust]

anyone got info on wyrmling spawns in the desert? Really no clue on em bieng based out of new aela mostly

[radiant dust]

you have to upgrade benches from apprentice to journeyman seperatly

[hybrid swan]

Lost focus in game and the want to play game at the moment. Want to see how to lvl tailoring but so many things need to be apprentice to lvl up I just dont have enough gold to buy mats from AH not in guild to share gathering/processing power for basic tailoring that will be just sold for scrap to level up. All will be repeated in Journeyman status lvl, for the kicks lumberjack is Journeyman as too easy to lvl up and good source of money, 4 gathering quest (oak etc) while other have either 2 or none for hunting.

[robust light]

can anyone recommend me a spot to farm silkworm larvae?

[torn fiber]

What info are you after?

[torn fiber]

Briarwood Cemetery i think it's called. Daytime is best

[robust light]

ty

[reef delta]

I think its 100% carcass drop. Like gryphons

[rocky robin]

Anyone here selling cheap pepper?
Server: Lyneth
Node: Halcyon
(you can DM me if you got some for sale)

[radiant dust]

tbh I was really just after spawns and anything weird.
like how the ones on the far west cliffs sometimes slide down the cliffs and land at the bottom xD

[keen parcel]

theyre apprentice level hunting though, FYI

[woven stone]

homie, you buy pepper from cooking station vendor

[torn fiber]

The spawns are currently broken and underground mainly

[keen parcel]

are Treasure Maps of Heroic and higher worth doing?

[woven stone]

10000000%

40 heroic WilloWood looks good

[sweet elk]

Its possible to get better than rare T2 materials from a heroic map?

[woven stone]

its chacne

chance*

maps are just really good for mass t1/t2 materials

youll not find a better or more cost efficient way to get willow wood

I spent 10g on 3 rare maps + 2 heroic maps, and walked away with 80rare+ willow wood(+ other items)

[sweet elk]

you got lucky lol, ive done 15 heroic maps and so far the best i got was blue emerald, everything else was green

or i got unlucky i supposed 😄

[woven stone]

yeah, but the mats themselves are worth more than any mat

[sweet elk]

oh yeah for sure, especially as im making the maps myself

[woven stone]

even basic white maps.. you could pay 75s for a common map and still get more value(even if uget stinky UC Flax)

farming lvl 19 highwaymen are great to get it from

[sweet elk]

im buying cheap faded and slowly using up my legendary ruby stockpile upgrading them to heroic 🙂

[woven stone]

thats genious

oh my, im a fool

[sweet elk]

if you go to epic i believe theyre t3 mats, is why im doing heroic

[rocky robin]

But that stuff expensive...

[woven stone]

correct. I got 35 rividium ores(UC)

from an epic**

[fair shale]

Are carpentry apprentice clothing better xp gain than JM carp clothes?

[golden plinth]

Hello, for crafting top tier gear is it still the goal to get the highest rarity of level 10 gear or should I do bloom warden? I'm not familiar with the crafting portion of artisan yet

[woven stone]

depends on stats

def eenchant lvl 10 jewelry

lvl 20 weapons tho

[hard void]

Lvl 10 will be BIS most likely until epic+ lvl 20 gear can be crafted and or JM scribe is available

At least for Vyra realm^^^

[golden plinth]

Yeah I'm on vyra so that's perfect thanks, that's all I can craft anyways

So basically I should try and craft epic or legendary level 10 gear and get it enchanted?

[hard void]

Codex has good calculations for gear to find cut off. Just find lvl 10 sets that are high rarity and enchants and then find lvl 20 gear and mess with it till stats are equal and then you’ll know your break point. But like a Lego Hornhex helm enchanted up is A LOT of stats

So would be pretty hard to beat without JM enchanting

[hard void]

Ye

[golden plinth]

Wait so if I find the recipe that's all I need right? Whether the recipe itself is common or uncommon or whatever? Then the gear is dependent on the mats?

I've only crafted the recipes you have by default so idk anything

[hard void]

For reference

[golden plinth]

[hard void]

I haven’t looked at a single lvl 20 piece because I heard JM scribe is so far off/impossible but someone else prob has better info on it than me. But enchanting just enables lower level gear to be so much stronger cause of raw stats

[woven stone]

yes, but that +7 lvl 20 enchant is wayyyy expensive

[golden plinth]

I'm happy with just having legendary gear tbh I got green bloom gear and some blues

[hard void]

Yeah basically Lego 10gear+ 6 is = Lego lvl 20 helm flat give or take

Still pretty aids to get some pieces Lego

Cause of animal fat/hides/willow

Someone from Polar did math in here but like the Forsaken Blades spell book. You can have full Lego mats besides the ones you buy from vendor, and you can’t get it to Lego

Even with shirt/pant/node buffs

[golden plinth]

Ah rip lmao well I'm only crafting the gear for me so I'll buy mats when I have to and grind for glint if I have to as well, I have the rare codified index for now at least so it'll just be my grind until rogue release

[keen parcel]

really!??! dang, i thought once all the mats are legendary, the ourcome would be as well.

[hard void]

Vendor items weren’t affecting some recipes but for the spellbook ik it was

[keen parcel]

oh, then thats probably a bug

[mild portal]

how are you actually finding the mounds

[sweet elk]

use codex and check each location

[mild portal]

omfg

[sweet elk]

inside my circle

well intersection of circles

[mild portal]

cheers

[twilit slate]

also set graphics settings to low

much easier to see

[sterile panther]

Do this exist in the game right now, if anyone has it or knows someone that does pls lmk. The actual recipe, not the potion.

[olive rivet]

How do you get treasure maps for scribing

[near falcon]

Do wyrmlings and flailrunners actually spawn in the desert nodes? Ive never seen them..

[hard void]

Yes

[pale mesa]

Anyone heard from the devs in here on if coal will be introduced at some point during this phase?

[near falcon]

Theres no chance wyrmlings spawn in. Flailrunners, yes, wyrmlings. no

[fast swan]

how does it work? i mean im new in artisan. so i level up an profession and get new recipes when im leveling up? or only when a node build the station for that profession?

[hybrid swan]

That roughly right the nodes have to be lvl'ed up to get access to tools for crafting and recipes, dont think any node has been leveled up to journeyman yet, this is alpha and long time to get nodes to high level so not too fussed but would be nice to test higher nodes quicker for alpha testing. The other one is that you have limited number of profession you can level up, https://ashescodex.com/artisan/profession-planner one I nabbed from someone way up on chat will help you is this image. Certain item like skevies you will need at least 6 other professions to make the item.

[fast swan]

thank you! but i mean the recipes that one that doesnt drop from mobs. you get them instant when you level up?

[hybrid swan]

I think they drop truly random as I had ear rings recipes drop but I have gone mod killing for them yet.

[pale ocean]

This feels terrible. Why is an upgrade actually a downgrade? T2 Blue is expected to be that much better than T3 Uncommon? Wny not give us the option to keep our old upgraded axes. Most of the time, I'm just grinding ash & oak, so speed, quantity, and rarity are the most important. So, now for the opportunity to snag T3 resources, the bulk of my game play is dampened.. Feels bad man..

[frank bane]

what does the farm building do in a city? i dont see any venders are anything beyond the normal novice stuff

[acoustic sandal]

It has buffs in the node and may also be a pre-requisite for another building like the cookhouse or agricultural supply

It passively produces T1 herbs to the city i believe?

• You can press [N] and go to the tab with buildings. Then select the option to place a building. This will show you the buildings and they will have their "buffs" boxes that you can inspect

[radiant dust]

anyone got info on flailrunner respawn times?

[torn osprey]

When should i use gear for processing, scroll and food, when i start the job or when claim? or mb both?

[sweet elk]

start, buffs get calculated when you start the job

[left parrot]

My hope/assumption from PTR notes is that it spawns in the deser

[unreal imp]

how much does it worth please? the recipe

[vast dune]

I've had those recipes sitting in the marketplace for 50 silver each for a week with no movement so if you know an armor smith just give it to them for free

[gloomy tartan]

The ashen haunt stuff drops a lot, and the mobs are farmed a lot so none of that is very valuable.

[vast dune]

Ya it looks valuable because it's decent gear but it's so common that it's essentially worthless

[acoustic sandal]

True^^

[unreal imp]

you all dreams destroyer 😢

but thanks because it was all a big nightmare 😄

[icy sage]

when you start

[torn osprey]

ty

[silver burrow]

Update to Freehold Ownership - was there an issue?

[ember ivy]

Deleted ppl owned freeholds.

[silver burrow]

Were other people able to buy them?

[ember ivy]

Not sure. But, would assume ppl couldn't buy freeholds from the exploiters that previously owned them.

[blissful swift]

Low level tools cost far too much copper

[ruby sky]

if you demote a gathering profession, will it take away an upgraded tool?

[pearl gust]

Nope

[pearl gust]

Novice tools are useless, just hit everything with crude until you hit apprentice

[silver burrow]

What level do I need to be able to trade?

[unreal imp]

1

[silver burrow]

I can't list first item.

[unreal imp]

you need to put one item and match the dscription ^^

in the shop name

what s you mother language?

[silver burrow]

Polish 😛

What is yours?

[unreal imp]

french i ll try to trnaslate it with an AI

[silver burrow]

Ty for trying to help ❤️

[pearl gust]

You need to be 10 to list on the market

[unreal imp]

ah sorry 😢

[silver burrow]

Thank you!

[silver burrow]

What for? Your intentions were good 🙂

[brisk badger]

How did you get a mind map image like this on codex? Also, I don't see Scribe listed on this image?

[pearl gust]

The image is just a supplement someone made

[stoic verge]

Anyone else notice Leatherworking is no where on this diagram ???

[woven stone]

As someone trying to level up cooking, its absolutely soul-crushing seeing JOURNEYMAN FOOD being sold by a VENDOR for 47 COPPER. Thats literally the price of processing a SINGLE blackberry(not even the pie, just the blackberry). If this is only intended for testing in alpha... I mean OK, I guess, but announce that somewhere. It makes artisan skills trivial. Why?
Hunters Ragout:
1x Wyrmling Meat(JM hunting, JM Cooking)
1x Riverdance Otter Meat(AP Hunting, AP Cooking)
1x Bear Meat(NV Hunting, NV Cooking)
1x Onion(1x Braidwood Chips, 1x Droppings, 1x Water, + JM Lumberjacking, JM Lumbermilling, JM Farming)
1x Carrot(1x Weeping Willow, 1x Droppings, 1x Water, + AP Lumberjacking, AP Lumbermilling, AP Farming)
1x Aelan Spice(1x Daffodil, 1x Sundrop, 1x Pepper, + NV Herbalism, NV Cooking)

All that = ONE SINGULAR HUNTER RAGOUT

.....So, tell me, is this RECIPE realistic? Should it be absolutely trashcanned by a FOURTY SEVEN COPPER VENDOR ITEM?!

....oh, and you know, you also need 5 JM node buildings...

If you want testers to test stuff, make it worth our time.

(/end rant)

[vast dune]

What he said 👆

[sweet elk]

Almost all player crafted items should be taken off the vendors. You could potentially make a case for lvl 10 gear but even that tbh could go

actually with the current enchant lvl 10 gear meta maybe theres no case for that either

[pearl gust]

To be fair if the station was up, you could craft much better versions at a premium regardless of the base cost.

And it might be cheap because jm cooking is currently a pipe dream, so yeah, testing.

[shell crest]

Main character - GM Hunting, farms thousands of mobs, hunts 4 mobs of quality rare to heroic. Never found a rare wolf or better.
brand new alt hunts the first wolf ever, gets a rare.

[nova remnant]

Vendor prices need to be increased on some stuff or removed entirely. Apprentice enchanting scrolls, foods

[torn fiber]

Totally agree vendor values need a going over. Some are too high like salmon, some too low like the food example above

[oak spindle]

You don’t like spending 11 silver + materials to craft a scroll you could just buy for 1.5 silver?

[shell furnace]

What is the furhtest we can go in weapon crafting?
is lvl 20 crafting already possible?

[quartz lichen]

has been reported like that from the middle of phase 1 already, hunting is borked, and so is everything related to crafting requiring anything from the hunting profession (fat > slates > armor /weapons // bones, leather etc)

[median fjord]

I make mote profit vendering t3 minerals and ores than I do selling on the MP

[supple tinsel]

Does anyone know if coal will be added with the next big patch so steel ignots can be made?

[autumn jacinth]

Is there an apprentice scribe vendor on Vyra?

[supple tinsel]

Halcyon

@autumn jacinth

[autumn jacinth]

Ty

[thick flint]

Not to mention this and alchemy count as ‘processing’ which has its own huge issues

Mainly due to certain things not being in the game or working yet

[keen parcel]

What setup do wood gatherers have to get higher rarity mats?

This is all i've got so far

[lunar temple]

check the alt recipie the vendor sells

[keen parcel]

it just swaps Speed for Quantity. The rarity is at the same rate. Wanted to know if theres anyone who farms woods, and what equip they running for better yields

[lunar temple]

think there might be alt gathering bags you can have made for you

[keen parcel]

hmm, they help i guess, but even Legendary is only about 100 increase on rarity

im thinking maybe a decent Lumbermilling Shirt would help make wat ya can't get

[lunar temple]

lumber favors speed it seems, but i dont think speed works exactly

[keen parcel]

what you mean... "favors speed"?

[lunar temple]

speed rating

[keen parcel]

thought you were meaning that rarity of mats may be based on speed rating. Just was making sure.

[lunar temple]

no no. just the gear in general favors speed rating more out of rarity

[keen parcel]

im just realizing that you can equip 3 bags lol. So yeah, those bonuses will add up

[lunar temple]

indeed!

[keen parcel]

thats 63 weeping willow of whatever quality though.... thats alot

i think the priority should be a better shirt, so lumbermilling can produce better rarity woods, then make the bags

[teal cipher]

if you mean materials to create actual treasure maps, humanoids drop parts of maps, you can take them to a scribe then to convert into a complete map, but they need extra resources, like rubies and whatever else

[median fjord]

What? 3 bags?

Besides the sanctus main bag?

[keen parcel]

you can replace the sanctus bag with another bagl so 3 bags in total

[left parrot]

gathering rarity is a doodoo stat right now. see: https://forums.ashesofcreation.com/discussion/65476/gathering-rarity#latest

[keen parcel]

oooooooooo, this is helpful...

I mean, thats worksable...
So i need at least 316 rarity bonus to make any sorta difference. Then next tier is 700.... thats a high ask.

[unreal imp]

where can i find some bluebells please?

[woven stone]

BRUH - These Freedhold goblins are reaping literally ALL the benefits. Definitely the haves versus the have nots...

1x Wheat = 1x Weeping Willow Log(will need to adjust rarity of log to get higher rarity wheat)

10x Wheat = 1x Giant Bluebell(infinitely easier to find and find higher rarity)

Make it make sense Intrepid

All the rooting balls....

Like, its one of those money glitches --- "You want to makes TEN TIMES your money?! Easy! Buy ONE legendary weeping willow, turn it into mulch, then buy 10 Legendary droppings(pennies compared to leg WW), and BOOM! You got yourself 5+ Legendary Weeping Willows

[quartz lichen]

yea if it would work
quality of ur rooting balls doesnt matter, your only outcome is common.
planting 30 heroic weeping willows? doesnt matter, u get 150 common weeping willow

[gusty oracle]

How we wish it worked that way. Mostly all you get is common stuff no matter the rarity

[balmy ingot]

r/confidentlyincorrect

[atomic vortex]

Question has anyone been able to find an ice rune for crafting the frozen tin wand?

[cold grotto]

When the fix rarity of rooting balls I’m so ready

[keen parcel]

So just for clarity, we cannot currently farm Braidwood?

[keen parcel]

gatta keep walking around i guess. How many ya need?

[unreal imp]

a lot to finnish my armor

[teal cipher]

Steven thinks that a lot of players will pay a sub to roleplay in a late capitalism simulator. I expect a market...correction to happen Soon(TM).

[weary nexus]

how does someone has a journymann lumber axe ?

braidwood on marked i winstead

[modest wedge]

You can get Journeyman gatherables from Epic & above Maps I think

[weary nexus]

oh

[keen parcel]

a number maybe?

[deep condor]

Is there an issue with the crafting recipe for Forsaken Blades Spellbook currently? Normally, if you have items like emblems and fine paper, they don't count toward quality. For whatever reason w/ this recipe, even w a high heroic shirt and blue pants that are enchanted, our arcane engineer* inputting materials of a certain grade does not mean the quality is the same, it's dropping. As in, x10 symbols and x1 paper, 20 blue ingot 1 blue magic powder, you should get rare; instead, it's always a downgrade to unc.

[left parrot]

should bug report it. i'd also have him try taking off quality gear and trying again.

[keen parcel]

i believes it bugged to take into account the forsaken blades amulet's rarity. Theres been numerous people having this same issue.

[keen citrus]

i have a question- where can i make an Essence Crystal? Can they be made- i dont want the vendor one

[keen parcel]

i think you can only buy it, much like salt and water

the rarity of it "shouldn't" be taken into account when crafting with it

[keen citrus]

thank you> i had to change the rarity . tested it on green stuff first- it worked

[keen parcel]

glad it worked out for ya

[quartz hamlet]

any recommendations for leveling carpentry? are boxes the best bet?

[unreal imp]

sorry went to sleep i think i need 50 or something to craft bolts + threads

[keen parcel]

oof, good luck with that. I thought u were gonna say like 2 lol

[pearl gust]

Crates are the fastest, but also a gold sink, carriages take twice as long, but gold positive

[keen parcel]

what you mean to say is that caravans take twice the resources, but have actual sell value so you can afford to keep crafting.

crates sell for practically nothing

[pearl gust]

That's exactly what I said, well besides the good=gold typo

[primal torrent]

Boxes are good for leveling fast caravan carriages take longer but you can break even vendoring them.

[cyan canyon]

What are the processing costs of T3 mounts? Do we know that?

[viral quartz]

3g 20s?

[cyan canyon]

That's reasonable, I was dreading they would tripple the price from T2 to T3

[shell crest]

Any other chefs have a bug where they are unable to see their journeyman recipes in the recipe book?
I was buying em off storefronts and learning them in preparation for journeyman cooking stations, but when I looked in my recipe book, i couldnt find them even with the search function.

[left parrot]

has anyone noticed anything on PTR or heard anything about Coal/Coke for making Steel?

[half pecan]

Are we close to having a station yet?

Sorry, I thought I was in the realm chat.

[nova remnant]

The coal is not in game yet/still as far as I know

[left parrot]

I was hoping it’d be in the desert on PTR. That’s pretty frustrating if so. Makes it impossible to test most of the JM recipes.

[silk moth]

Hello guys! How are you today?
Do you know what is the correct recipe for the basic journeyman lumberjack axe please?
There seem to be several recipes on the online codex .
Thanks for ypur answers !

[nova remnant]

If you hold your mouse over the recipient it should show if it’s obtainable or not - is what I do

[subtle smelt]

how rare are heroic silkwork cocoons? or is it as bad as all the other hunting things

[uneven gate]

Yes

[serene epoch]

Good evening!
Is that possible? I thought that the sub-ressources must have the same value.

[north thistle]

To my knowledge, only processing requires that all materials are the same rarity. You can craft with differing material rarities

[left parrot]

^ correct

and making tools is a form of crafting, not processing

[covert raven]

That bluebell bolt is not possible.

You need to match quality on the bluebell and the board when weaving.

[serene epoch]

So the calculator is telling lies!!
Thank you 🙂

[minor falcon]

Anywhere to submit bug reports for the calculator lmao

[pale ocean]

Pacifist, craft only characters cannot be citizens? Tax receipts require glint which requires combat. Am I missing something? If I'm not and crafters are expected to be important citizens, this seems like an huge oversight.

[sweet elk]

you can get glint from commissions, which can be just gathering. Admittedly not exceptionally fast but its possible.

[patent atlas]

its close, but not 100% accurate.

probably in their disocrd.. there is a link on the website

[chilly cape]

Commissions and 45 min of grinding the base low level goblins outside of most nodes will get you all you need for taxes. Doesn’t seem unreasonable

[pearl gust]

Also, gathering commissions give glint if you just want to farm mats instead.

[tiny crane]

Where can I find info on BiS armor?

[left parrot]

ashescodex.com

[quartz hamlet]

is the scribe profession worth leveling if most recipes can be bought at vendors?

[wet quarry]

Is that intended or has intrepid said if that will change?

[acoustic sandal]

Yes.
You can't buy the scrolls that reduce failure chance and the ones that make it cost less gold.

[acoustic sandal]

Also. If you make enchanting scrolls at Epic quality, you can boost +2 instead of +1

[left parrot]

Yeah but they also don’t work from what I can tell

[left parrot]

Okay that’s pretty interesting. Have you tested this in game?

[acoustic sandal]

Not tested yet**

[left parrot]

Okay. I tried some scrolls out and literally every scroll I’ve tested is identical to the basic vendor-bought one.

[acoustic sandal]

You wanna know what really irritated me.
The novice pylons bought from vendors are better than crafted ones.
Shakacon brought that up. And we noticed the vendors have rarity on novice pylons, but we can't craft them with rarity

We did bug report the crap out of pylons recently.

• can't trade pylons
• can't give others pylon buff
• vendors novice pylons are better

[quartz hamlet]

pylons dont all work anyway. IK the lumberjacking one doesnt work

[acoustic sandal]

Arcane Engineering gets very left behind. Doesn't feel good either when nearly everyone makes their own maps and excavation kits because they can be done at novice level with practically no resources.

[acoustic sandal]

They do work

Pylon procs ... from me to you

Go make 3 of these too

The next thing I am working on is pants

[quartz hamlet]

i just tried the other day, didnt work. maybe theyre buggy. either way. you can get to the 316 rarity rating with just the clothes and bags

[quartz hamlet]

yeah,definitely working on getting higher rarity bags, you can easily get to the 700 rarity level but id love to get to the 1264 for the 25% chance

[acoustic sandal]

I just want the rarity node spawning to change.
Just randomly generate the node EVERY time... not once every 24 hours

[quartz hamlet]

i agree, im not die hard enough to spawn camp nodes or make a whole trail that i follow every 2-4 hours. so as a casual player, i almost never get the good rarities because theyre taken so fast

luckily its a placeholder system, they will change it

[pearl gust]

Are you sure this wasn't your axe or gear?

Every time I tried pylons they didn't change my stats at all

[quartz hamlet]

^good question

[regal glacier]

Can confirm pylons for woodcutting significantly increased uncommon/rare ratings for ash without showing any stat change in my character sheet.

[acoustic sandal]

Yeah, weird that it doesn't show the rating...
But you will have the buff on your nameplate

Also... I can't see if you have a pylon buff if you do have one active.
I bug reported that too

If you are in your active pylon with the buff. It doesn't show pylon buff for other players 😔

Pylons don't stack as far as we can tell either. We only stacked 2 of them though

[pearl gust]

I assume they're like scrolls, only 1 active at a time

[regal glacier]

It’s possible the pylon is applying the buff to the nodes in the zone. Say instead of giving you the rarity buff etc it reduces the required rarity rating to hit certain thresholds by the buff amount 🤔

[acoustic sandal]

Yeah.
We had hopes that it would increase the node directly and stack.
I can test it further this weekend with i dunno... you think 5 pylons is good? Or should we try like 20 pylons

[pearl gust]

Did you try apprentice pylons? Or are only novice available?

[acoustic sandal]

Apprentice pylons are good. Journeyman are REALLY good

You can buy them at any Journeyman skill vendor

That does gathering

[regal glacier]

Keep in mind that rarity only effects whether or not the node is rolled for an upgrade over the base rarity and has no effect on the actual rarity roll. But ~2k rarity rating is 50% iirc

[pearl gust]

So you saw a significant difference in testing?

[acoustic sandal]

Yes, massive difference.
Novice pylons are basically useless it feels like..

[quartz hamlet]

are you talking about the quantity increase or rarity increase? i assume quantity is easier to test since its not broken up by levels

[regal glacier]

Not sure what the math is on quantity but it’s more or less the same thing. It’s a chance to receive extra materials when gathering. I would assume it follows the same mechanics as rarity.

[thin swallow]

why tho?
compared to just rare bags, thats over 400g invested for what is essentially a 0.08% increase to get heroic or better trees. like you'd have to chop over 1200 trees to get that 1 proc of heroic or better. in that time frame you would've already found your legendary static node and started camping it instead

right now its way more efficient to chop a massive amount of trees as fast as possible looking for a static node than it is to stack rarity and proc rarity upgrades

[quartz hamlet]

maybe. they explicitly shared the formula for rarity but not for anything else, as far as im aware, so we can only speculate. but lots of things in the game are not broken up like that and are rather on a linear increase so i think quantity could be the same. but idk

[pearl gust]

Passing the first roll more often means more chances at the second roll, still effectively increasing the rarity output

[quartz hamlet]

i ultimately agree with this, as much as i dislike the system. its more efficient to use it to our advantage while its active.

[regal glacier]

The point of testing is to test. We can’t give quality feedback if we don’t understand how the system even works. It’s also valuable information to have to know what threshold are worth getting and what’s not.

[pearl gust]

There's actually a very easy trick to high rarity novice trees

[thin swallow]

theres a few tricks but like making that stuff public information means my group cant hit them because everyone else would know

[pearl gust]

True

[acoustic sandal]

Quantity is ok for novice pylons. But it doesn't pay you back enough in resources.
The store pylons are actually better too if you want the rarity stat .

The apprentice ones proc quantity more often, and seems rare to get quality.

The Journeyman ones are just good for both

[pearl gust]

I make bank selling high rarity ash

[quartz hamlet]

im listening lol

[regal glacier]

Correct, I was more meaning that the only true indicator would be the number of upgraded nodes vs commons since you have iirc less than 2% chance for anything over rare.

[quartz hamlet]

the out of place nodes are the obvious ones, but other than that its hit or miss on every new tree

[pearl gust]

This is it, I get so many good trees, I'm stacked on leg hemlock at the moment and sell 10+g of ash every day

[thin swallow]

the problem with rarity isnt the proc chance or scaling of the stat. the problem is that the second roll is a losers game and until you can have ways to affect the 2nd roll, your odds are going to suck no matter what your rarity is. maybe the artisan trees help this out and fix it. who knows? thats the thing with half implemented systems. we cant see the bigger picture. but with the current implementation, rarity is useless compared to efficiently tracking spawns and timers

and its like that for every gatherable outside of hunting, where we're stuck playing the losers game because theres no alternative

[quartz hamlet]

thats the reality.. id love to be able to affect the 2nd roll but at the same time i like that it isnt that easy.. otherwise legendary stuff wouldnt be as grand. its supposed to be the rarest in the game

[regal glacier]

Accepting that being able to camp a node is more efficient is not the same as getting data and providing feedback to fix the system. Static spawn with static node size on a static timer is a terrible system.

[thin swallow]

its a terrible system but its one theyve given us to test

im not going to fake my gameplay for the sake of some arbitrary moral right or wrong way to farm. if that is the rules of the game they are giving us, then their data should reflect that the rules theyve given us leads to players camping spawns. and if they hate that then they need to change the rules

[regal glacier]

That is where feedback and balancing comes into play. Those numbers can be adjusted for each rarity. It’s way better than static spawns where you can get 5 legendary mats like clockwork. Nothing “legendary” about that

[acoustic sandal]

(Sorry for the late reply. Am at work currently)

I chose legendary willow baskets because they are nearly the same as the journeyman baskets as far as stats. But legendary braidwood can have a higher roll +50 more.

Since they are for lumberjack, they will have a return to the resources.

I could go out there and chop the 60 willow trees and fight everyone for them, or I can just keep testing.
I could open maps and find legendary willow too.

[acoustic sandal]

You know where a lot of willow is?
Most I can get in a stretch is 12

[regal glacier]

Nobody is telling you not to play that way? You’re arguing that the testing isn’t worth doing yet you said yourself it’s the system the gave us to what? To test. This is an alpha TEST after all 😂

[acoustic sandal]

This is why I proc rarity on those ash trees

[pearl gust]

I have a willow route that gives 30+pieces of wood in good days

[regal glacier]

Things also won’t get changed without feedback

[acoustic sandal]

I meant 12 trees. My bad.
Yeah usually between 20 - 50 willow a day. Sometimes twice a day

[quartz hamlet]

Nice i have a braid route that yields about 20-30 but only if i have the motivation to spend the next hour+ running around the entire map lol

Well thanks for the pylon info, ill do some testing of my own soon. Once i placed a jm pylon down and didn't see my stat increase, i figured they weren't working. But ill give it another shot and isolate the advantage

[acoustic sandal]

Are you in Lyneth?

[quartz hamlet]

Yes

[acoustic sandal]

We don't have Journeyman Lumberjacking on Vyra.

But we skipped right to Carpentry

[quartz hamlet]

Ah interesting.. are y'all close? What about milling?

[thin swallow]

yeah i cbf with all that time lol. i have 3 alts parked at huge hotspots that people ignore for some reason. i check those alts at offpeak hours. every day atleast one of them finds a heroic or better willow tree. usually get like 1-2 uncommon tree spawns, a few rare, and then 1-2 heroic / epic / leggo. so then after that its just clockwork. chop the tree, take timer. log out and do whatever. come back for its timer. repeat. its like 5-10 minutes of actual farming each day for what ends up in a massive amount of willow of all rarities during the 5 day period

[acoustic sandal]

No milling either.
There will not be lumberjacki g for another week if I were to make a guess.
That's why willow is not abundant 🤣

[pearl gust]

I'm hoping with jm axes we'll see more willow action by spawns being more dynamic since they share locations

[quartz hamlet]

Yeah, you my friend, are the type of player I'm competing against 😂 i play alot but im a casual player in relation to this 😂

[regal glacier]

Doubtful. Didn’t help on our server

[acoustic sandal]

I only have 1 alt for farming wood, and they get as much wood as our main lumberjack.
But same tactics. Logging in at low population hours

[quartz hamlet]

We got lumberjacking maybe a week ago? And Willow is still a top priority for everyone so don't be too hopeful.
Willow, braid, and ash are in high demand. (Ash for maps)

[pearl gust]

This is why my route backtracks, to get to new spawns before others

The freehold tree farms are working for common willow and they can proc rarity/quantity

[acoustic sandal]

heroic rootballs not forcing rarity makes me sad.

[regal glacier]

That’s fair. I run timers for epic/leg nodes too. Already got 100 leg rividium for lvl 20 gear. But it’s not necessary to to tell people it’s not worth testing things to find solutions to the problems we are facing and to provide proper feedback. If you don’t want to bother with it that’s your choice and it’s fine but don’t push that opinion on others that are providing the devs feedback.

[pearl gust]

My guild is stocking up droppings for it/when this is fixed

[acoustic sandal]

Example being the rarity from tailored shirts.

They said they nerfed it 300%
But I don't see anything getting boosted anymore. Even passing that 300% from what it was

Processing shirts for making better materials just doesn't work for me hardly ever.

[acoustic sandal]

Yessss!!!! Kings and Queens of Poop across the server!

[potent parcel]

The shirts might make a 95% roll for rare, go up to 1% roll for heroic
It does barely anything
Better off going for the quantity increase on processing gear

[acoustic sandal]

Thank you for that, I appreciate it 🙏

[clever orbit]

Yeah the devs never change their initial ideas after seeing how they were implemented

[regal glacier]

i never said that. I did however imply that a system that was implemented that they see as a good system working properly will not see the revisions or change without feedback. you never know people don't like the system if you never get feedback on it. unless ofcourse they're some kind of Psychic

[clever orbit]

I agree - I was just being sarcastic and trying to make the point that the devs play their game too and agree with a lot of the feedback we give since they feel the same way. MK told us once that a lot of the feedback they get is just reaffirming the thoughts they’ve already had - which in a way was kind of alarming bc it sounded like they only listened to feedback that agreed with them which is problematic potentially but that hasn’t been much of an issue lol

[median fjord]

By what ive heard we do have JM lumberjacking. Its in the desert at the AZ node.

[left parrot]

It’s not done yet. It’ll probably finish this weekend.

[median fjord]

Okay

[left parrot]

https://forums.ashesofcreation.com/discussion/65750/ashes-gathering-that-will-kill-alpha#latest

Good place to post in if you’re trying to alert the devs to fix this

[thorn sky]

I went to Azmaran. The mayor has no comissions up. Currently mill is only apprentice. Town really is empty!!!!! So odds of it getting JM axe station very soon is possibly

[lone glacier]

My biggest gripe with gathering is that this current system is 99% running around for 1% gathering. Give me a mountain, a pickaxe, some survey tools and let me gather 99% of my playtime for 1% running around, and let my gameplay/skills/tools/region determine what I get.

[covert raven]

I agree with this. I’d much rather have a forest to chop down than hunt for an unexpected pine tree or willow. (or consult with timers)

I feel similarly opposed to timed bosses as well though - I’d rather they have a chance to spawn while killing stuff in an area.

Anything that incentivizes logging an alt out and logging back in at a certain time doesn’t feel good.

[lone glacier]

Current static rarity node/respawn camping is terrible, but even if it was fully random, running around forever to find 1 willow tree is a terrible "gathering" gameplay loop imo

[mellow gulch]

This can be actually really good, it has to be just improved.

Lets say, if you are GrandMaster in Lumberjacking, minimap could give you hints, "You are near GrandMaster wood". In this way you will have to still search for good wood, which will support that good Lumberjacking guy has to look for perfect tree but also its not gonna be that hard due to hints you could get.

I really believe this can works, it has to be just polished, and bring some similar ideas as mine. I am sure devs can bring something even better.

[covert raven]

In that particular example, I’d feel bad for the nearby Novice who just watched a GM come in and cherry-pick the node he’d eventually get to. But I get the gist of your reply and hope Intrepid can improve on the current system.

[mellow sky]

Heya new player here. I'm level 18 now and only dabbled in mining, but intend to spend some time on professions soon. I always liked the idea of scribing and wanna level that up, but i was told you can buy the enchanting scrolls scribers make from vendors. Is there a point spending time investing in scribing in that case?

[gentle glade]

Does anyone know by what value the Node buffs increase the Quality Rating while crafting?

[faint jacinth]

scribe is in a terrible state rn - dont go unless you hate money

[wise cargo]

One thing on gathering, if I’m gonna have to run around and gather something make it painfully obvious that the thing is a gatherable. I hate when I’m running around and didn’t realize that the otter in the distance was a huntable otter. I want things to pop out and make me feel excited. Also totally agree about static spawns/predictability. it turns the game into scouting a timer and then going afk to camp timer. I’d rather go to an area and do things and then be surprised/excited when a shiny thing I want pops up.

[ashen lodge]

Bro every crafting profession in the same state. No one will buy your crafter shirt cause vendor one is cheaper or mob drop is better. Or craft something worst 100g click and wait 2 weaks someone will dupe and buy it

[sweet elk]

Just playing devils advocate...

Is the current system not us scouting out the area and finding where the good resources are and that knowledge only lasting for a day? (its actually randomish how long your knowledge lasts)

If you make it completely random, all were doing is rewarding who gathers the most. Its just completely stat based, on volume of gathering and your gear.

[pearl gust]

This just sounds normal and not a bad thing at all. It decreases complexity and cuts back on the monopoly of high rarity resources large/organized guilds can currently create

[sweet elk]

Large guilds can strip mine everything more than solos?

If you scout a resource before them (though they can scout more with more people) then you at least have a day of being able to find something.

I and probably you (reading between the lines) already find higher rarity stuff, and i play solo around very large guilds.

Equally right now the monopoly zergs have is caravans. They make so much money they can buy everything.

[pearl gust]

They can do this already, making spawns random does not change their ability to do so.

[sweet elk]

i think thats my point, i dont think changing it to random solves the problem people are trying to solve

it doesnt give small casual people more chance to get higher rarity resources

[pearl gust]

It gives the benefit of knowing every node has a chance and that people can't camp alts on spots. You are saying there's no benefit when I disputed one particular point.

[sweet elk]

Alts on spots appear to mostly be on willow no?

[pearl gust]

On all high rarity static nodes, not just willow.

And having the ability to monopolize several nodes by using the rigid timers cuts casual players out of the gathering aspect of the game, they can run through an area picked clean for the next two hours and have no way around it.

[sweet elk]

So i think the counter point would be, if it gets changed to random then everything everywhere would be strip mined out by large groups of people.

Are we talking about stopping people, or big groups from being able to monopolize some nodes for 1 day?

When we had the basalt change, there was immediately nothing anywhere until people realised that the chance was so low it wasnt actually worth it

[pearl gust]

They could strip mine now, and they might if we change, but that takes more effort than watching timers and means that they couldn't keep a hold on spawns all day if the timers were more random/dynamic. It's a net win for individuals/casual players

[pearl gust]

A gold rush isn't exemplative of sustained actions.

[sweet elk]

I am a solo by the way, so my experience is from that point of view.

I dont seem to be having issues working out where resources are, even with there being very big guilds havesting the same areas as i look. Especially as the way things are now there are definitely "better" areas than others

[pearl gust]

You not needing the system to change doesn't mean that a change wouldn't be beneficial for a majority of players

[sweet elk]

I agree with that.

But why is it more beneficial for them than me? What advantage have i got over anyone else?

[pearl gust]

That's not even relevant to what I said

It'd be beneficial to everyone, my point is, you not feeling like it is needed to change doesn't mean that others wouldn't see benefit from said change

[sweet elk]

im saying i should see the same benefit from being in the same position, no?

[pearl gust]

Yes, obviously, and not being disputed in my points.

[pearl gust]

This statement says that you aren't having any issues, therefore, you don't think a change is necessary. My point is, that regardless of your individual stance, a change would benefit more people than the current system.

[sweet elk]

I'm saying its important to understand why im not having an issue where others are.

And potentially i am, maybe the amount im getting is tiny compared with what the guilds are getting but i don't think so.

Just so i understand your suggestion, is your suggestion that every node is random every 2 hours? Or literally it can spawn random type, amount, position, respawn time.

[north thistle]

Well, should solos be able to compete with larger groups in an mmo built around resource scarcity?

[pearl gust]

I think respawn timers should be varied, with a min/max based on type, that rarity shouldn't be static, but assigned on every spawn. These two changes would make gathering a more involved process of exploration to find more nodes rather than finding the best nodes and trying to camp them.

[sweet elk]

Im questioning wether a fully random system would actually make solos more able to compete

fully random makes it more about volume, something big guilds have an advantage on

[pearl gust]

This change would make solos/casuals more competitive in the gathering sphere, bigger guilds can still strip mine/ share the best node grouping locations.

[north thistle]

Is your angle more about perceived fairness wrt static nodes getting camped by larger groups?

[sweet elk]

In my opinion, which has been greatly made worse by packing us all in 1 server is things like the raptor spawns and willow spawns. one because theres only 6 of them and the other cause its a 4 hour timer.

[pearl gust]

It's about nodes in general being structured in a way that makes gathering harder for individuals/casuals because of the rigid system that can be taken advantage of by those with greater numbers/time.

[north thistle]

which is the case, either way. with the greater numbers/time, randomness or no. however, you're thinking that that, at the very least, increases a solo's odds at finding the good shit. is that right?

[pearl gust]

Yes, guilds/hardcore players will always have an advantage, which isn't an issue. The current system just skews very heavily in their favor. More randomness would shift the balance to something better for more people.

[north thistle]

gotcha

[sweet elk]

So right now you can camp the small amounts of "good" nodes. When we had the copper shortage is it not the same thing?

You couldnt camp every copper node, but there were people who know were copper was that day and people who didnt.

[north thistle]

that's true, and we'll have to see what it's like when people are spread out a bit more at the start of a realm. Those specific resource nodes, I'm sure, are getting bug reports about it. I know I have

[pearl gust]

I currently benefit from this system, my guild camps spawns and does routes on spawn, I just don't like the inverse of individuals feeling screwed more than is comfortable.

[sweet elk]

Im the individual doing the same thing though

[north thistle]

yeah, so f you both. I need more mats as a solo 😄

[pearl gust]

Even with more space, the current system still gives more power to guilds/hardcore players, which it doesn't have to. You are clearly on the more hardcore side than not from this convo

[sweet elk]

Well let me ask you this 😄 do you think youd get more mats with everyone mining everything than you do now :P?

[north thistle]

I tend to agree about the randomness. But it's been rad to talk to people that have routes that they set up

[pearl gust]

Probably? It's worth looking into.

[sweet elk]

Well i was asking Mauxfaux because hes apprently in the camp of cant find anything

[pearl gust]

I doubt that losing the power to camp nodes means all the guilds will strip mine everything.

[sweet elk]

I just think and im willing to be wrong. That having to roam around mining everything is far easier to do with 30 people than 1.

[pearl gust]

And even if they do, they can still be contested by casuals/individuals easier

[north thistle]

tbh, I'm not really sure what you're asking here

[pearl gust]

When every node can be a good node it's easier to get one of them than not knowing which it is and not getting the chance because someone's been camping it for 8 hours

[sweet elk]

Sorry, im asking wether if the system was fully random, do you think youd get more or less good stuff than you get with the current system.

[north thistle]

would I refute that 30 people mining is easier than with 1? naturally, I would not...but I'm wondering if I misunderstood

[north thistle]

I, personally, would get more...maybe. There's a perception that I would, but would I actually? fuck, ionno

I just know that when I roll by SB and I see 30 mofos hanging out by the raptors, I'm not getting shit

[pearl gust]

It's been a while since I made a post on the node situation. I was really worried about this at first, but then I caved and decided to abuse the system rather than complain about it.

[sweet elk]

Thats the discussion im trying to have haha 🙂

Because i feel as a solo, if you find some good spawns, at least you know for that day you can get some good stuff.

What dictates finding them? its still random, and still im at a disadvantage to a guild because i can only look by myself vs 30 people looking.

If it becomes random it now becomes 30 people just mining everything vs me mining a few things if theres anything left.

[north thistle]

but only one of those scenarios, you can do something about

[sweet elk]

I think raptors is a seperate issue

cause thats just wayyyy too little in a small area

[pearl gust]

That's literally the current system, there's still 30 people mining the same areas, they just stop when they find something good, just like you, and hoard it

[sweet elk]

at least with mining were at least talking about the whole map

[north thistle]

it is, but it's a window into what that system, even if it's spread out, could look like....somewhat exaggerated

[sweet elk]

more spread out means you cant camp it and kill everyone who comes by

[north thistle]

and randomness would mean people wouldn't bother to try, if it's static. at least not to the same degree....presumably

[pearl gust]

I'll probably do a write up on this and post it to reddit for discussion. The back and forth is fun though

[sweet elk]

Yeah im not saying whos right 🙂 im trying to hash out the pros and cons of both ways

[north thistle]

https://tenor.com/view/robert-redford-jeremiah-johnson-nodding-yes-nod-of-approval-gif-21066931

[sweet elk]

Raptors? people can stand on that one spot with a group of 20 people all day and theyd get all of them

random or not

untill another big group pushed them off i suppose, but from a solo point of view you arent changing that

[pearl gust]

Hunting spots are their own deal and a false equivalence

[north thistle]

I'm sure animals will intentionally be placed in biomes they'd belong in, but that raptor spot can't be intended to remain such as it is

[sweet elk]

yeah im agreeing with that, im saying we should ignore raptors in this discussion and focus on mining because theres more of it and more spread out

[pearl gust]

I do like the variable respawn on hunting timers though

That's why they have to camp it in force for extended periods of time

[sweet elk]

Going back to mining though. The timers dont change once a day though. So even in the current system if you run a route, itll change during the day.

In terms of whats on it, because the 22-24 hour reroll isnt done server worker wide or anything.

[pearl gust]

It means that if you find it in the morning you can camp it all day, this is not a good thing

[sweet elk]

Theres no set time it changes. Ive had stuff run out 2 harvests in or 8 harvests in.

[acoustic sandal]

There is. Every 24 hours

In-game timer

[sweet elk]

If that was true things would only reset at 7pm EU time when the server comes up every weekend, which it doesnt.

[pearl gust]

Yeah, it still varies, but point being that because the reassignment is so long, it makes them easy to monopolize

[sweet elk]

there is a 24 hour timer yes, but it doesnt seem aligned with each other

[acoustic sandal]

Just find the timer on each server individually

Then you can share it with some people.
Then you can camp it

[sweet elk]

Are you saying server worker, or server as in eu/na

[pearl gust]

I think the timer might vary by node or area, I doubt it's server wide

[acoustic sandal]

I know the willow route I travel around miraleth resets at 1am EST

[pearl gust]

Well, maybe it is

[acoustic sandal]

It goes into samias hope and Lionhold

[sweet elk]

I can partially agree with that for willows

but theres a lot less and theyre 4 hours

[acoustic sandal]

But metal is not the same I am pretty sure.

[sweet elk]

Yeah i believe metal is more random than that

[acoustic sandal]

Hunting nodes with certain rarity can be camped

[pearl gust]

Either way, it's not really a good thing, long assignment timers are part of the 'problem'

[acoustic sandal]

Yeah, if I mine legendary copper and come back in 2 hours. It is legendary copper over and over again. Until server resets

[sweet elk]

So would maybe a better solution be a shorter assignment timer?

Then people at least gain from scouting areas and finding things?

Not just mining everything

[acoustic sandal]

Speaking of which.
Tomorrow, you want to get gatherables ASAP when servers go up

[sweet elk]

Arent we getting desert revamp tomorrow, itll be finding new routes in the desert potentially

[acoustic sandal]

Heck yeah!

[pearl gust]

Yep, the current discussion is that this regularity makes the gathering system easy for guilds/hardcore players to exploit (in a normal way) and hard for casuals/individuals to participate in.

[acoustic sandal]

I think the fix is just randomizing the quality every time, and decrease the spawn timer

[pearl gust]

This is super exciting

[sweet elk]

itll thin people out a bit at least

spread people out more

[pearl gust]

Yep, I'd love to see a varied respawn timer with a min/max, but randomized rarity would go a long way.

[acoustic sandal]

Yeah, everyone is doing it when they find one. It isn't against the system. Their intention is that you are supposed to fight for these resources... but the clear issue with that is not knowing the node rarity or who is really gathering lots

[sweet elk]

Its not as simple as until server resets though, for metal specifically

[acoustic sandal]

Yeah, there's a different thing that happens with the node map than what happens with the environment map.

[pearl gust]

I am pro fighting over resources, but there's nothing to engage with. No visual on a rare node and currently players can camp a node by logging out over a legendary and logging in right on spawn and out again, there's no avenues for conflict.

[acoustic sandal]

They should fix their node/map overlays so I can harvest resources that aren't clipped into the world

[sweet elk]

This is now a guess, but either a zone of nodes, or individual nodes either have their own 24 hour timer, or max number of gathers or something.

Because its not everything on the whole server shuffles at the same time.

Talking about metal, willows im not so sure.

[pearl gust]

Also there's no indicator that someone is a gatherer or is holding rare resources

[sweet elk]

Theyre only holding one node like that though.

[minor falcon]

There's a variety of different "tables" that are listed and it definitely feels like there's layering in them. It's not like every node of the table spawns at server reset...some are staggered throughout the cycle

[pearl gust]

Yeah, but that may be 1 of the 8 legendary nodes distributed in the zone at that time

[minor falcon]

They're holding 1x4 for alts and guilds x however many gatherers they have

[sweet elk]

They are, but im also holding a route down solo. Its whoever scouted the resources first. Ie whoever found it benefits from it.

Random would be whoever does it more

[pearl gust]

I wouldn't doubt that halfway through any day almost all the high rarity nodes are found and claimed by guilds/hardcore individuals

[sweet elk]

I guess my point of discussion is making it random i feel would actually just promote having more people/more time.

So im questioning wether i agree it improves things for solo players.

[pearl gust]

Every time one is claimed it means it's one less up for grabs by everyone else, when if it was random, everyone has the same chance all day

[minor falcon]

I know many people who haven't found anything legendary, or haven't seen more than 10 copper nodes etc.

And I do say that's a skill/understanding of the system issue
But it still shouldn't be like that 1 month in

[sweet elk]

Well yeah and im saying copper is showing its not just camping the good nodes

because theres quite a lot of copper now

and less people need it

[pearl gust]

It's also a time issue, few people can be on during the off time or be available for the 2-4 hour respawn of nodes

[minor falcon]

I think the only way to get a healthy state of "skirmish over rare materials" is if there's an obviously legendary looking rock/tree that takes 15-30 minutes to become harvestable. I don't think pure random is the way (maybe still have it from pure random but the visually different ones give more idk)

[sweet elk]

which is the current tree system ish

not on a low timer though

[pearl gust]

I'd love to see pure random, but with an indicator that makes it take twice as long to harvest, so you are at greater risk of being contested

[minor falcon]

Ehh I've never seen an infant willow. I've heard they exist, but I've never seen one. You also don't know if it's common or legendary, just seeing it is rare enough

[pearl gust]

They don't. Only on farms. I've seen willow spawn on timer, it's instant at the size it will be

[sweet elk]

Guess ill just give away all the trade sercrets 😄 theres static trees and respawning trees. the respawning trees grow back in. the static trees are the ones on timers and look different

[pearl gust]

Shhhh... Trade secrets

[minor falcon]

I've also watched willow pop out of thin air with no indication so

[sweet elk]

lol you just told me we were making it fair for everyone 😄

[pearl gust]

@minor falcon thanks for the gold btw for said secrets. 😂

[minor falcon]

You didn't tell me this one...and the gold was more for good business :p

We already knew majority

[pearl gust]

Still got a stock of legendary, though apparently it's a component of the bis sword

[minor falcon]

Waiting on maps...we've been busy with a lot of other things

[sweet elk]

I guess this is the question, us knowing the intricacies of the system. Should that be rewarded?

Or everyone just mass harvesting, and it being a very simple system.

Isnt working things out supposed to be rewarded to some degree?

[pearl gust]

I have 30 legendary hemlock, I want to make the better tool recipes 😭

[sweet elk]

Also maybe thats a mute point, though i hate it lol. When it releases we'll just have youtube guides for everything hmm.

[pearl gust]

This is a design question, but the real issue with the current system is the lack of counterplay

[thin swallow]

the balancing is out of wack. in order of most rewarding to less rewarding it should go:

1. investment of skills and gear and stats
2. knowledge of the system and investment of time into "gaming" it
3. luck

right now thats inverted. and its why everyone agrees it feels horrible

[minor falcon]

I don't think the intricacies are well designed...working from home and being able to log in every 2h or map out the routes in degen hours don't indicate good systems

[pearl gust]

The current system means you can exploit your better knowledge with no risk

That's just not fun

[minor falcon]

Knowing that gear is almost a non factor towards getting legendary materials is like...meh.

[sweet elk]

Gear could be scaled better yeah, but thats just a minor tweak

[pearl gust]

I'd love to see us using our knowledge to get better stuff, but also somehow creating conflict others could take advantage of

I feel a bit dirty taking everything for myself without others having a chance

[minor falcon]

./global legendary copper 5x at 99x66

[pearl gust]

(not going to stop though)

[modest token]

I think many of you are expecting too much, too soon. They have already stated that the resource spawn system is just a placeholder. Everything is going to change including where the resources spawn at.

[thin swallow]

crafting players see their legendary wood rarity axe and Legendary quality shirts in the same light that PVE raiders and PVP players see their world boss weapons. but imagine if you told everyone that had a tumok weapon that the extra 200 power they gained from it translates to a 0.08% dps upgrade

[pearl gust]

I literally run across the map with 20-30g worth of wood every day, and no one even tries to kill me

[thin swallow]

the game would be DOA

but that is the reality for gatherers

[minor falcon]

Did we get any confirmation from the chat the other day of whether pylons were still borked? Someone said they worked and I didn't see the rest of the convo

[pearl gust]

Seems there's strong evidence they work, but don't show on stats

[sweet elk]

ive seen both sides, some say it works some say it doesnt. but never seen enough testing to prove one way or another

but as we said, rarity scales so poorly the sample size would need to be massive

[minor falcon]

I'm aware of this, and I'm pretty sure I recall devs saying the current system sucks. But there needs to be discussion of why it sucks and what would feel better

[sweet elk]

I guess with the desert coming out we should spread people out and see if people get more stuff

[pearl gust]

Yeah, we're not hating on the game or anything, just talking about what makes the current system feel bad.

[sweet elk]

How the current system feels with 10x the map size i dunno

[minor falcon]

We're some of the people who are able to abuse it the most without massive guilds LOL

[pearl gust]

But seriously, people should be killing me on sight most of the time with the amount of heroic-legendary wood I'm hauling around when I gather

[minor falcon]

If there wasn't multiple people in Alpha I like I'd consider....

[sweet elk]

the only way to stop that would be full loot pvp at all times though 😛 but then everyone would just kill everyone just in case

[pearl gust]

Shhhh

[sweet elk]

or you can "scan" people like eve lol

[thin swallow]

well now thats just asking for it

[pearl gust]

I feel like there should be some kind of outward display of mat storage to encourage open world pvp

[thin swallow]

do your high valuable gathering on your gathering alts sitting on timers while you play the game and actually have fun on your main. then theres no incentive to kos you because you dont ever carry it on you

[minor falcon]

The trick is he has bodyguards waiting to collect 50g worth of gear

[modest token]

It's not worth is to go red over whatever resources someone is carrying. It is only a chance that you would get any of it anyway and then someone else would take it from you.

[pearl gust]

No, I use the non-native tree trick to get high rarity novice trees. I get epic/legendary every time I go out

[pearl gust]

Rarer mats seem to drop more often than the lower ones, which sucks so hard.

[pearl gust]

Maybe for now, but when corruption is made easier to deal with, I'd really like to see gathering have more inherent risks

[modest token]

I would not count on them easing the corruption penalty. Rather, I see them adding more punishments.

[minor falcon]

I think you're right there needs to be some kind of visual indicator. Would encourage using caravans too instead of 3 jm mining bags etc

[pearl gust]

The religion system is meant to be a way to combat corruption

[minor falcon]

I mean I know some of rogues favored routes, I could grab a party and go camp it. Then just gtfo with the corruption and a party protecting

[sweet elk]

rogues in general are gonna change what is and isnt possible pvp wise

[pearl gust]

Hey, no betraying me in public mate

[sweet elk]

scouting/randomly getting ganked etc

[pearl gust]

I think he meant me

[sweet elk]

oh 😛 well rogues will change the landscape 😄

[minor falcon]

I play a fairly honest game. I wouldn't do this actually...probably..not to you anyway

[pearl gust]

Mmhmm... 🙄

[sweet elk]

You could just wait in town to war dec him at the correct moment by the storage

Which they really need to change..

[pearl gust]

I had that happen early in the phase, lost 6 epic/legendary pieces

[minor falcon]

Pretty sure ptr patch notes had a "spin up time for guild wars"

[sweet elk]

I was more thinking town safe zone

but that works for that specific situation

[pearl gust]

I'd be cool with this unless it's a node war

[sweet elk]

town safe zone, plus timers for wars should be fine i think

basically means unless youre gonna go corrupt it shouldnt happen without warning

[pearl gust]

I know they had coding issues with making embersprings safe zones

[sweet elk]

yeah im pretty sure its the plan, just proving complicated

[vestal vortex]

Heyo has anyone tried out legendaries wheels for caravans?

[minor falcon]

Not legendary willow but we've used heroic and they go zoom. Hard determine if it's worth it though, going zoom doesn't outrun a zerg

Pop's Tires in New Aela on Vyra are some of the best you can buy!

[shell furnace]

Question: is lvl 20 crafting possible already?
Ancient Dunzen Bow

10 Glittering Metal Strand (i have 2 so i know its in game)
Braidwood Plank (JM Lumber is already in Lyneth)
Recipe - this on the other hand i have not seen yet. so have they removed this from current phase?

has anybody tried crafting anything lvl 20?

[summer elk]

that's odd, I had legendary willow wheels and blue t2 horse in phase 1 and it was around 35% faster than normal caravan, which is sitll very slow. Not sure if they changed it

[modest token]

Save your gold for armor 😉

[faint jacinth]

Tin reinforced wheels are substantially better

Van enthusiasts have determined that the only meaningful stat is general speed

@vestal vortex

Fwiw i had a van with a Lego steed Bob + epic wheels

Was roughly run speed with strider

Poofed after 2 days 😢

[vestal vortex]

Well, you may have not read the new patch notes

[faint jacinth]

Road buffs doesn't necessarily mean road speed rating

But we'll see

[vestal vortex]

What do you mean?

It doesn’t mean road speed rating only if it bugs out 😂

[faint jacinth]

There's an actual road buff that increases speed by 10% prepatch

[vestal vortex]

Yeh but why would you even call it ‘road speed rating’ if it doesn’t affect road speed buff?

I mean, I get what you mean but they are clearly referring to it

[faint jacinth]

Spose we'll find out - many van routes barely use roads though - lots of rivers and offroading

[lucid grove]

hey does some one ever see this recipe drop like drop on a lot of mob better never see it in market

[vestal vortex]

Our routes has 95% road uptime 🙂

[faint jacinth]

Something to consider is that the tin reinforced wheels only take 10 willow as well

So they are more economical - which is important for items that are consumed

I would be very cautious of spending 100g of wood until vans are less buggy

[vestal vortex]

well, well, I am not sure I'd get weeping willow instead of western larch xD

Weeping willow wheels are just a little faster than the brass reinforced ones, and they ( brass ones ) need much lesser rare material to farm

[vast dune]

Ya with things being bugged to shit I have a couple stacks of uc Larch and that's good enough for now

[vestal vortex]

can you craft the tin reinforced without a journeyman station? bc in EU we don't have the journy one

[faint jacinth]

It's apprentice

For comparison

[vestal vortex]

no you're doing a comparison over the wrong type man

[faint jacinth]

Do not waste legendary larch on wheels - if you don't have journeyman use larch on a carriage

[faint jacinth]

Brass is not in the game

Only copper tin and iron reinforced recipes are available

[vestal vortex]

isnt it? wtf

[vast dune]

New gatherables should be releasing today....hold your horses

[faint jacinth]

Specifically the recipe - metal is there

[vestal vortex]

oh maybe its just a rare one?

[vestal vortex]

ripperoni

[vast dune]

Bunch of new recipes today too so maybe that's one?

[vestal vortex]

is it today or tomorrow the patch update?

[vast dune]

Today but not sure what all will make it to live from the PTR test so we will have to wait for patch notes

[somber crown]

Oh I’m excited

[astral tulip]

Node incentives already are pretty good, storage space and getting the citizen bonus on that artisan xp crafting buff the nodes can do.

@covert raven . As for guild bonuses, I assume the guild perks tree will do the heavy lifting for incentivizing crafter. But yeah, right now there is nothing

[covert raven]

The citizen bonuses seem too ephemeral. Some constant buffs might help. Agree that the extra storage is nice for crafters, though I'm not sure that it offsets the risk of being node warred and bonked in town.

[astral tulip]

At least in Mira, the buffs ended up being up like 70% of the time, which was nice. The storage gets increasingly useful if you gather or process, i know my metalworker constanly has at least 2-3 tabs overflowing with the different rarities of every tier of every useful material

God forbid you have lumber milling and metalwork. That fills up so fast

Also, the xp bonus was CRITICAL for saving copper when getting our weaponsmith up to 10. Reduced the total cost by at least 800 copper.
The buff doesnt even need to be up all the time for that one, just save up and wait till it is (or help with the quests to force it)

[covert raven]

yep - I'm thinking more long term. xp rating is helpful early on... quality rating might be significant as well, though it doesn't seem to be up as often, and those buffs reset with server restarts currently.

materials storage might be subject to node war/spoils, so it might be worth not using the extra tab.

I could see people loading an alt characters inventory up with crafted items/materials and not being attached to a node or guild.

So I'm hoping to see more meaningful benefits to being a member of a node (after leveling up) and a guild.

I believe the intent is to have citizenship be account based, instead of character based - which would help prevent some of the shenanigans. But there's still more for them to figure out.

[lone glacier]

Anybody know if the Journeyman Enchanting scrolls not being on the Tier 3 Scribe vendor a bug or intended?

[thin swallow]

i mean over on vyra, if i become a citizen of halcy i get 150% bonus crafting xp
if i become a citizen of joeva im almost always going to have massive processing xp and time bonuses
if i become a citizen of NA im most likely to get 100% bonus artisan xp and some speed and quality perks as well
miraleth has had several times where theyve had a +500 crafting quality rating up.

these are all massive perks for being a citizen. im not sure what else you could want short of them making your coffee and dumping gold into your inventory

[covert raven]

The xp ones are all moot in the long term for a crafter.

I wasn’t aware the quality rating one was that significant. I’ve only seen it a few times, and I believe the tooltip for the buff said 0.

[minor falcon]

You can grab some of these sick Tin Reinforced wheels at Pop's Tires in New Aela, common versions are better and cheaper than braidwood for general speed and we have up to Heroic in stock

[sour skiff]

any idea on what new gatherables are being added? if thats actually true?

[covert raven]

As for what I’d prefer, I’m mainly pointing out ways that I think the current system can be abused.

I’m not a designer, but I’d much rather see some low level buffs constantly available. Current buffs apply to everyone, but sometimes to a lesser extent on noncitizens, right?

I’d like the node earned buffs to persist through restarts.

I think the quality rating stat should be reworked into something else. (chance to save mats when crafting? they can think up something)
🤷🏻‍♂️

But all that is built upon the current crafting system, which I feel could use a lot of improvement to begin with.

[covert raven]

PTR had new gatherables - desert specific stuff - unsure if those will make it into this weeks alpha patch. We’ll find out soon.

[sour skiff]

solid, thanks for the reply

[covert raven]

New recipes and dungeons and stuff down there as well. Pretty cool

[teal cipher]

I would check the commission rewards node vendor for that one. This looks familiar.

[manic prairie]

So... apparently the ores from granite/basalt were too powerful

nearly 300 stone till I got my first zinc :>

[sweet elk]

Has anyone really found any ore in the desert so far? Doesnt seem like theyve added that many resource spawns there unless i just havnt run in to them yet

[modest wedge]

There was some Obsidian there when I looked amongst the 1 star rock elementals. Also some new Swiftclaw spawns on the NE corner

[left parrot]

has anyone encountered coal?

[stoic sundial]

where does one find copper nodes?

[wet quarry]

Did they change processing yet so rarity can be mixed?

[minor falcon]

It sounds like that's a rather big change on the backend I wouldn't expect it soon

[wet quarry]

Thanks! So odd that they did that for the crafting portion but not the processing

[minor falcon]

Ita a very barebones system lol

[wet quarry]

Ohh yeah for sure, I meant its odd they did the coding for the crafting to allow mixing of rarities and then on the processing side they just didnt. It should have been the same thing on the backend, unless there is something in the processing code thats so vastly different that it couldnt have been used

[sweet elk]

well the same applies the other way. It would be nice with the amount of items we have to craft that we could have batch crafting too

[hard void]

We still SOL on coal?

[radiant dust]

They fr added JM enchanting scrolls to a vendor. Scribes continue to be useless 🤟 🤟

[ashen lodge]

@pearl gust hey, what is timer on novice trees?

[pearl gust]

If it's a native tree (same tree all around) then 30 minutes.

[pearl gust]

On vyra we weren't getting a jm scribe till more nodes happened anyway

[radiant dust]

Halycon is doing is JM scribe

[pearl gust]

No longer true since they found out the vendor doesn't sell jm enchanting scrolls and they can't make them without a jm farm (which also isn't being built)

Check the halcyon building chat

[vestal vortex]

Anyone knows if these are sold for gold or just guild xp?

[pearl gust]

Probably just guild exp, it's way too compact to compete with the gold made by normal commodities.

[fluid stream]

come on guys wtf ... rare JM animal with trash stats worse than a t1 wolf thats common...

[vestal vortex]

Daystrider doesn’t feel like a good mount for caravans, I’m ok with those stats

[pearl gust]

Depends on what the mount stats are, if it's a bad bob but a badass mount, it evens out

[fluid stream]

its an OK mount and REALLY bad BoB atm

like if ya talking like a 180+ mount and the worst bob in game sure ...

[pearl gust]

170+ is still solid, as it's 1 of 2 at that speed and only 1 at 175+ (that I noticed anyway)

But yeah, the Bob stats are whack

[torn fiber]

All the new desert BOBs have the same low stats

I also reported some bugs around processing cost and timers

[fluid stream]

hopefully its just they didnt get around to adj the stats

[torn fiber]

They definitely need another pass, but I expect not that high on the priority list

Especially now vans are zoomin on the roads 😄

[acoustic sandal]

I will find out 😊

[calm oyster]

is there an estimation when we might be able to get coal (for steel) in the game? we got Obsidian and Sandstone, but we still lack materials for existing stuff

[tardy karma]

where can basalt be processed?

[hard void]

Nope. Every real response from devs/mods is a side step or “maybe you guys aren’t looking enough 👀 👀👀”. Shits cringe

[cursive sphinx]

Went to the dessert yesterday and chopped the new trees, mined sandstone and Obsidian and harvested poppies - so are there any use for them yet? Any recipes?

[radiant dust]

how are peeps getting the beetle mount on vyra? seen some around

[sweet elk]

seems like incorrectly desert animal husbandry/hunting only needs novice skill so everyone's been farming them up. Something like that anyways

[quartz lichen]

every single new mount has complete horse base values if they come out as a beast, its always 52 general speed as a common BoB

[rich jolt]

Dont know where to put this suggestion/crafting gripe. The emblems that drop from mobs to be used in crafting recipes NEED to still drop all the time regardless of how high a level your character is. If I cant farm them on my 25 because a dev arbitrarily disabled all loot drops from lower enemies then why even craft. I shouldn't have to be forced to buy every single one or have to spend a few days leveling an alt only to have a specific window of time where I can grab those emblems myself to then transfer to my own character its insane. Getting to a higher level restricts your ability to catch up your crafting professions as easily

I get that there should be a restriction on drops to prevent high levels from farming glint incredibly easily and all that. But the whole entire loot table shouldnt be cut off because of it

[sacred niche]

Apparently being fixed with todays patch

[left parrot]

I’m assuming this is a bandaid fix while they figure out how to add Coal to spawn tables but I’m not sure

[sacred niche]

Probably a side drop from base spawnables yeah. Guess we will find out soon xD

[sweet elk]

let the strip mining of all the basalt begin lol

[ashen lodge]

Where ?

[crimson summit]

is coal supposed to drop from anything?

hmmm interesting

[sacred niche]

As soon as I find any I'll share the how 😄

[crimson summit]

sam

same*

[modest wedge]

Didn't even realise I got some lol

[crimson summit]

from wyrdstone?

[modest wedge]

Yeh must be as I looted a ring above the coal in log

[crimson summit]

oooo

[modest wedge]

Hopefully it can proc higher rarity

[crimson summit]

right

[sacred niche]

I got 3 from a Basalt, so it looks like a chance from all Stones

[left parrot]

was the basalt also common?

lf screenshots of >common coal

[vast dune]

Holy shit it exists

[modest wedge]

Just got some with Uncommon Basalt & it was Common ☹️

[faint jacinth]

Does coal need to be the same rarity as the iron 👀

[modest wedge]

For Ingots yes

[thick flint]

Adding coal, but making it only obtainable from hitting random rocks, but also requiring it to match the rarity of the iron

[vast dune]

[thick flint]

gonna be sick running around with my lvl 20 white steel weapon

[vast dune]

Welcome to being a cooking main trying to get butter

[solemn turtle]

its also a pretty rare drop. been mining constantly, no coal

[modest wedge]

Should be able to get a few uncommons from the Rarity stat when processing

Though getting 250 coal will be a task in itself to get the chance

From a rare Limestone 👀

[vast dune]

See already better than trying to get butter

[left parrot]

okay looking like it might be rng but now i'm worried that coal is going to work like hunting mobs and always be white and only go up on gathering rarity procs

and that would be miserable

[vast dune]

again butter has existed this way since day 1 of phase 1 and nobody has had a problem with it

as soon as it's one of the cool kid skills now everyone cares

[nova remnant]

I think people have been hating on slate molds and hunting rarities also for long time

[left parrot]

Butter is in the game at least. It should be fixed but it also doesn’t have the widespread impact of Steel being completely unavailable. Steel is used in carpentry, tailoring, leatherworking, armorsmithing, weaponsmithing, arcane engineering, jewelcrafting, and scribing.

Butter is cool and all but it’s just one profession

[vast dune]

oh I get that and you are mostly right

just the handful of us who actually do cooking have been bitching about this since October so I don't have a whole lot of sympathy is all

[coarse sonnet]

Butter?

[vast dune]

it's used in 95% of apprentice cooking recipes

I think there are 2 recipes that don't need it

so it fucks the entire profession

[thick flint]

Cooking and half of alchemy shouldnt be 'processing'

should function the same as crafting

[vast dune]

big agree but just all processing should function like crafting with mix and match

farming has the same issue

[amber wren]

Anyone figure out wt paintbrush is used for?

[thick acorn]

I think my quitting point is gonna be me trying to get mats to craft lvl 10 leather armor -.- farming 500 carcasses to get a single heroic drop that might not even be a carcass is kinda nuts and the other component needed is spider silk which is just as bad if not worst :p lol

[thick acorn]

right now nothing

[real fractal]

I have cooked over 1000+ chicken, I’m almost at 40 cooking purely from chicken and during this time making my own cows/butter with a heroic farming shirt and rare farming pants, I’ve procced ONE. A SINGULAR heroic cow.

And that was after procing it rare from calf —> cow, and then it stayed rare from cow —> milk and only went to Heroic during Milk —> Butter using cooking shirts

[coarse sonnet]

x.x

[chrome forge]

Slate got the granite/basalt treatment?

[left parrot]

That’s not supposed to happen. You’re supposed to be able to get Coal from it.

[radiant dust]

Nah the crocs and beetles still want JM husbandry. But I've seen em around so lost on how their bieng made

[stoic verge]

When first came out - The desrt crocs were novice/novice (pet/train) and were farmed by ummm.... certain guilds.... Patch came out and I am told - not verified they are now Novice/Apprentice (i have not confirmed as of yet). will later today if I can. -- but I get killed a lot out there -- they are not fond of Artisans.

[viral sphinx]

Where is the artisan list for Nodes?

[reef delta]

Desert crocs are journeyman

[primal torrent]

@marsh vigil Aight bro, look I get this is an alpha and respect the process but dude, please give us crafters some love even if its a slider for crafting lot sizes. Appreciate the hard work I do but buddy as a crafter I am feeling left out. K thanks bye.

[near depot]

Do mobs not spawn inside a placed freehold anymore? A couple weeks ago I was farming a couple grem spots inside people's freehold. Now no grem's spawn there anymore.
I really hate camping the newbie grems outside of Lionhold.

[prisma ravine]

This coal already needs a rework the chances are crazy low

[left parrot]

It’s a 10 second bandaid fix to let steel exist at all so we can test recipes

[pallid smelt]

Any recipes for Acacia, Date Palm and cactus?

Other than logs and planks etc

[hybrid swan]

Agreed trying to get lvl'd up apprentice and I have lost love to play the game, yes I can lvl up toon by killing things but crafting the current setup I just cant see it working.

[prisma ravine]

If you think this is a band aid fix . You are crazy , this isn’t even a fix. It’s 1% chance to get coal off a rock. Get legendary coal 1 out of 100,000

[lofty mural]

came here to complain about coal drop rate

glad i am not alone

[chilly cape]

Think it would be a great quality of life feature to allow the guild UIs to show other members current artisan levels and stats. It would save a lot on the same questions as guilds grow. Just click on a members name and get their stat sheet. A player should have the option to disable this feature if they do not want to partake as well.

[green plover]

For upgrading your tools: I need to go to Joeva for JM mining. Do I need to bring all the mats there, or do I just need to buy a recipe there?

[chilly cape]

Gotta have the mats on you

[lime niche]

respawn time for trees ?

[vast dune]

what are raptor carcs going for these days?

[stoic verge]

With more spawn areas and more drops -- not much....

[fluid stream]

anyone see this where you can not cancel a finished/bugged job ? down a job slot now . even tried a relog

[dusk spruce]

Anyone know where to pick up Herbalism apprentice certificates?

[real fractal]

Any town with Agricultural Center or go to Agricultural Center opposite textile mills near Church of 7 stars

[dusk spruce]

thank you thank you!

[shell crest]

I would honestly be okay with it, besides for the fact that BABY COWS DONT STACK IN INVENTORY SO YOU CANT MAKE MORE THAN 50 AT A TIME

Also every journeyman station will have the food buff for their artisan class available for 47 copper.
Just the gold sink processing cost for cooking the final product ourselves is 1 silver.

[radiant dust]

do the plumed halbirdier only spawn at night or something?

[sweet elk]

Has anyone else noticed that crafting Mining tools, uses Mining quality not crafting quality? And/Or the Crafting buff doesnt affect making mining tools

[small sonnet]

does anyone know what town has apprentice animal husbandry building on Vyra?

[crimson salmon]

am i the only one that feels like the bear mount/carcass ratio from hunting is fucking insane and that 80/20 needs to be readjusted to 50/50?

[gloomy tartan]

No

[harsh axle]

Quick question : until you are a citizen and can sell at the marketplace, the only options you have to make money is to seel to NPC vendors or find an interested player ?

[lethal elk]

Anybody else's Bloodied Bone Ring Recipe end up being a Sephillion Shard Ring when consumed?

[wide portal]

Yes, I got the drop randomly because I happened to be in the area lol. It's bugged right now, and it works the same way for the sephi ring recipe. It gives you the bloodied bone ring

So if you want that one, better pay sephillion a visit 😂

Or hold onto the recipe until it's fixed

[lethal elk]

Haha thanks for letting me know!

[upbeat quartz]

Do the same rarity seeding rules as for mining/lumberjacking apply for herbalism nodes as well?

[covert raven]

Were you making an item that was removed from the game, or altered?

In alpha 1 phase 1, I had one of my weaving slots bricked forever because I was making bluebell fiber, which was removed from the game.

It presented similarly.

[snow topaz]

hey can some1 explain me this? i try to create green tanned otter hide with rare woodchips and 1 common otter hide but in game it doesn't let me mix and match quality? am I missing something?

[left parrot]

you cannot mix and match quality while processing, only while crafting

[quartz lichen]

@marsh vigil yes im pinging you, im frustratingly down bad - game design wise.
Remove the RNG from Animal Husbandry. Its one gamble to have a % chance between carcass and trainable animal, but double-rng it with % chance between beast of burden and ridable animal, even tho you are "training" it, sucks.
There no enjoyment in farming a boss for 60+ hours just to have the three saddest beasts of burden.

[deep halo]

anytown on Vyre that has a journeyman lumberjacking tool table

[minor falcon]

Azmaran? I think is nearly there. One of the desert nodes. Not yet though

[fluid stream]

it was a mount but its still in the game but yes its broken dont know if i need a dev to fix or just wait till thur when they take the servers down again

[covert raven]

When it happened to me, with an item that I was processing that was changed (bluebell fiber) - that processing slot remained bricked for weeks, until they eventually wiped for phase 2.

I’d report it as a bug in game, for sure. When they modify items, or remove em, it’d be nice to be able to clear/fix processing queues.

[torn fiber]

Husbandry is in a place holder format atm, don't worry too much until it gets its proper spot on freeholds and utilises its full system of farming/training mounts pets and BOBS

[quartz lichen]

Full Husbandry is placeholder for now? im not sure if the RNG on bob/mount is placeholder or planned i dont recall any statement for that
double rng element is the worst part if you're also a hunter (rng if its trainable or carcass, then rng if its bob or mount)
same principle would be to have double rng on any other gathering/processing combo, like.. herbalism/weaving
rng if you get whole flower or just the root, and if its just the root u cant use it for weaving, only for farming. if its a flower and you make threads, theres a 50/50 (or 80/20) that it breaks and is only used for.. scribing, as an enchanting buff xd
would love to know that part

[stable crypt]

Chance for mount is too high IMO.

I understand you've been unlucky and that is frustrating, but having the fastest mount that's currently in the game isn't meant to be easy or for everyone.

[quartz lichen]

completely objective IMO
ive crafted "a few" things with husbandry, been level 32 in phase one of alpha aswell, in total combined its like a 75%/25% -- 70%/30% chance, leaning towards beast of burden
Which would be fine, cause bob is a consumable basically, it can "die" and a mount cant - its just frustrating to have pure rng in your profession and no way to control the outcome, adding double rng to it becomes worse

[lofty mural]

keep rng its great totally disagree sorry you got screwed by the rng bud but thats life

now lets refocus this conversation about coal drop rate

xD

[clear lily]

Coal has dropped? 🙂

[gilded sentinel]

I've gotten common and UC coal while mining basalt and granite. Have not seen a coal node yet, but have not gone around desert areas extensively.

[cursive sphinx]

Coal does not have nodes, they are a part of the 1% drop chance when mining other stones

[jade fossil]

Has anyone found a recipe for the "Misbegotten Ring" or "Holy Ring"?

[peak bough]

so you need legi coal to process legi iron?

[left parrot]

yep gl with that

[peak bough]

https://tenor.com/view/toby-cry-phone-spider-man-cry-phone-spider-man-phone-toby-phone-gif-12875606672124040541

[left parrot]

it’s a bandaid fix for right now and coal will get added properly to the game in a later patch. they just put it in like this so we can test the steel recipes.

[peak bough]

no need white steel stuff xD

[left parrot]

testing

[hybrid swan]

/party finally found my 1st weeping willow tree now need 100+ more to lvl tailoring

[sweet elk]

youre not just levelling off more novice stuff?

[hybrid swan]

lumberjack 21, Herby 17, tailor 11

[sweet elk]

i mean, levelling tailoring with more novice crafts, more Academic's boots to be specific. you dont need any willow just more poop.

[hybrid swan]

ah I haven't answered that question myself yet it so annoying every time I think I find a recipe to use it need otter or bear hide or the recipe isnt in game yet. Last time hands were the best exp per matieral needed so I am currently looking at https://ashescodex.com/db/item/Consumable_Recipe_Tailoring_T2_Armor_ArcaneMind_Hands or https://ashescodex.com/db/item/Consumable_Recipe_Tailoring_T2_Armor_Soulseekers_Hands as farmed a lot of silk

[hybrid swan]

for novice lvl tailoring for exp per best material you should go for https://ashescodex.com/db/item/Consumable_Recipe_Tailoring_T1_Armor_AmbitiousAcademic_Hands I almost gave up tailoring as I was getting pvp of hunting for lvl 1 grem skins but I found an area of lvl 5 grems south of lionhelm no one was there. Its crazy there were lvl 20 person stunning me lvl 12 people for lvl 1 material.

[sweet elk]

whats base xp for gloves? either way youre missing what im telling you 😛 im telling you to keep making gloves or boots all the way to journeyman. Thats why theres so many people farming grems there, for poop and skin

[hybrid swan]

ah cool ta, long day at work and lack sleep

That is annoying we need to have world balanced correctly for material and recipe that what alpha testing should be about, there has been no rebalancing going on for crafting lets hope a patch will come.

[sweet elk]

What balance are you asking to get changed?

[thick acorn]

enchanting balance :p hahaha

[sweet elk]

In that currently it’s just worth making lvl 10 gear I assume?

[hybrid swan]

The questing for lumberjack has 4 different wood quest while Herbalist only has 2, hunting has none, sort of not fussed with questing but it give huge boast of exp/glint which is why lumberjack/mining is so much higher than anything else. There rarity Herbalist Giant Blue bell is almost as bad as weeping willow but both are awful. Most recipe for apprentice need weeping willow and hunting. My main issue for crafting in general you need apprentice in too many allowed for lots of recipes, this will get even worse when journeyman. One example just Apprentice Tailor's Skivvies need 1 apprentice metal working tin, 10 raptor hide (need 10 weeping willow) , 1 Bluebelt bolt (1 more willow) and 1 Moon bolt (1 more willow) so tailoring that item you need more 12 wood and 10 leather and only 2 weaving item. I get the jist that Ashes want people to buy and sell on AH for items or be in guild to share the burden of getting material for people and I happy with this at near max level but at apprentice its too much as you are way past that lvl to make armor for your self all the material is just sold to NPC for peanuts.

[thick acorn]

issue is enchanting destroys 95% of items in game making them useless the only couple of stats are viable on gear aka the primary stats str/dex/con and so on everything else is rather pointless if u dont have primary stats

enchanting need to be a % base increase like 20% per +1 this reduces the power of primary stats increase secondary aswell as defence stats aswell as bringing TTK back down to something that can be considered reasonable. the best fights in the game atm are between 2 un enchanted players and thats due to scaling of enchanting majorly increase offence stats like 250-300 int on a mage in lvl 10 gear like what even is that lol

[sweet elk]

TTK could also be related to lack of defensive scaling, or I guess the imbalance of offence and defence stat scaling.

Unless you don’t like the vertical progression gap.

T1/T2 mat usage past levelling is an interesting topic, though it also applies to rarity.

White/green mats are for levelling, blue/heroic are in a funny position and everyone is keeping their epic/legendary.

[thick acorn]

why should this lvl 0 piece of gear scale so hard it drops from a lvl 4 wolf mob

it cost me 2.5g to enchant after reseting it twice

[sweet elk]

but getting 10 con isnt going to have the same defensive effect

well sorry 20 in that example

[thick acorn]

her eht ething if enchanting is say 20% base you gaining 20% armor, physical power and 20% to the stat it scales gear better overall since the gear stat allocation was balanced at +0 level it need to be uniform scaling not what it currently is

[nova remnant]

Imo

Make secondary values (not attributes) gain 3 points instead of 1 per enchant level. Like armor, power, pen, etc.

[thick acorn]

when gear is balanced at lvl 0 and enchant are not uniform gains it completely destroy balance out the window as enchants get higher

[thick acorn]

then how do you adress dobule stat items where items dont get 2 or 3 lines of stats but it muiltiplies the first stat it doesnt work there either since the item doesnt get as much from enchanting it obsolete

[hybrid swan]

Shame Belts aren't in game yet as that would give great bonus on weaving rarity increase rating of 232-293 on legendary. ok the mats needed are crazy.

[sweet elk]

(enchanting maybe too op at current numbers, im not disagreeing) But is not the reason were mostly enchanting lvl 10 gear because of JM scribing availibility

[thick acorn]

its not the number its how it function atm +1 to stats lines dont work it has be % based to keep the uniform power scaling since gear is been balanced based oon a +0 state

[nova remnant]

Some gear is just better than others, up to the balance team to not put 4 attributes on heroic tin belt

3 points per enchant for non attributes helps balance

[thick acorn]

not realy it made sense for them with no enchanting in the game because attributes are overtuned with the current enchanting system

[sweet elk]

Well yeah, thats why im asking is it individual items are stupid, like that lvl 0 neck or enchanting is scaling badly

cause clearly not all items are balanced properly, but there probs hasnt been a balance pass

Are JM enchant scrolls also +1 per level btw

[thick acorn]

if they enchant was % base across the board it solve the issue

[hybrid swan]

Dam want to level hunting as some of the mounts look so good but the gold sink is huge. Just seen a turtle mount look very cool.

[gloomy barn]

Q : What is going on If I demote the Apprentice lv.15 fishing to novice? And my Apprentice pole still works?

[thick acorn]

% scaling would also help with all the secondary stats like hp at like a +20% scaling per +1 at +5 you double all base stats so thing with 50hp becomes 100hp instead of atm they get 60hp or something

there so many items that are useless atm due to only having secondary stats like crti chance and crit dmg however due to no % scaling they dont gain anywhere near asmich power from enchanting due to stats being so much stronger just gaining a flat +1 each time

[hybrid swan]

Think you are right I just demoting mining only had crud axe and apprentice axe and my durability of apprentice axe went down

[gloomy barn]

Nice thx 😊

[hybrid swan]

currently going to make novice axe if I can workout where I hide my copper

[nova remnant]

Percents are boring, I’d rather have the current +1 system

[sweet elk]

It does mean better (higher level) gear scales less well currently

[tight cedar]

Processing is so messed up in alpha. This really needs to be fixed.

Molten Steel requires Iron Fragment + Coke.
Coke requires coal.
Coal is a >3% drop from mining stone.

Want to make molten steel? Your choices are:
No or Common only

also in before, 'you just need to do more mining'

[modest token]

Does anyone know why I have apprentice weaver but is locked at lvl 10? I just promoted it.

[sweet elk]

We definitely want Processing to work like crafting.

The Coal addition really seemeed like a super last minute addition as we were all talking about it all day while the servers were down and they just threw it in there.

[sweet elk]

Just keep going, itll take it off when you get some more xp

[modest token]

Worked thank you. However, I lost about 3/4 of the expierence from a 250unit process : (

Due to the lock

[sweet elk]

sorry, but trust me you have many many more processes to go 😛

[tight cedar]

I don't get it at all. There are so many things that need to be fixed in this economy right now.

-Processing needs to be able to mix materials

• Rarity doesn't work in practice, either its vendor trash or legendary. Uncommon through Epic is practically useless.
• Trying to get coal which is a less than 3% drop but doesn't scale off rarity makes no sense.
• Marketplaces gimp the velocity of money in the economy
• Need access to a live auction house

It seems fruitless to continue to test the economy until these things get changed. Too many bottlenecks to test anything

[sweet elk]

Yeah im starting to get to the point where im using rare to level as well because i just dunno what to do with it and it has no value.

Im not sure youll ever get a realm wide auction house if thats what you mean, as opposed to just not player shops as they are.

Metropolis Economic nodes will have an AH with their vassal nodes.

[rigid surge]

I mean, lots of the artisan system is clearly still a WIP, we have whole professions that are placeholders and clearly subject to a lot of change as we get closer to release. For example, auction houses are already planned, they just aren't in yet

[tight cedar]

Yes, I am aware of all of that but its very hard to test systems and give feedback when we are being bottlenecked

[tiny badge]

This conversation shows why games in development wipe. If they loosen requirements to advance; levels, nodes, artisan, gear, ect ... Then you permanently damage the economy of the game, which destroys the integrity of the server.

But without balance or complete features you have to air on the side of caution, which creates tremendous bottlenecks in the system. Which hurts testing... So your in a tough spot.

The solution is just a planned wipe, but I also understand why that is controversial

[sweet elk]

Ignoring any player drama reasons, Phase 2 servers are their only long term test bed they have and will have on the current plan.

[dire pasture]

Does anyone know if I have the cap of Journeymen, and then I upgrade 1 to the next level, can I make another profession Journeyman now?

[left parrot]

no

[dire pasture]

Interesting, but good to know

[pearl gust]

you can have 5 skilled professions, 4 you can take above apprentice to journeyman.

[lofty mural]

Fix coal

[hybrid swan]

Economy is so out of balanced as the demand of certain mats is so high and most dont have huge gold reserve. The currant setup of limited professions will only work with long time balance of AH prices and alpha is too short for supply and demand to be balanced. @dire pasture https://ashescodex.com/artisan/profession-planner is useful but still think the setup is too limiting will be interesting to see how crafting at Journeyman and above works out. I think big guilds where people share professions will flourish and a good guild can make huge money on AH.

[sturdy dock]

The economy is based on cities, towns and freeholds being active along with caravans. I am not worried about obtaining what I need when the game rolls out. I am worried about the cost of leveling crafting. It seems to require a lot of gold and materials. Seems the money is in advanturing rather than crafting and I am not certain that will change until end game.

[rigid surge]

I mean, also just depends on if/how much gear you can get from vendors/world drops

Like, if no vendors sold lvl 10 gear, and enemies only droped materials, not full gear pieces, then even the "crafting" items artisans make would sell, re-distributing some of that gold

[minor falcon]

Current economy just has zero demand for anything crafted below rare. I have 20-150 of different common/uncommon materials and they're not selling even at 1s unless it's ores for people leveling weapon/armorsmithing

[wicked axle]

If/when they fix gathering so that you no longer have guaranteed legendary resources on a timer, crafting of lower rarity and even NPC loot will have meaningful value

[minor falcon]

Being able to consistently farm the high rarity stuff definitely has a big impact but there's also little reason to use common crafted when dropped stuff is probably cheaper than the mats to craft them

[wicked axle]

Right now it's an all-or-nothing thing, because gathering design sort of allows and fosters it

They are aware, they know it sucks, they do plan to change it. But that doesn't help the current situation and the damage is already done to the economy

[minor falcon]

Also things like rare animal fat bottlenecking molds. Would love to just pump out a ton of rare crafted stuff for guild but it's got weird bottlenecks like this that make it more difficult

[wicked axle]

Hunting and it's rarity is what I believe the gathering system is supposed to be. The stupid part of hunting is that it's 50/50 getting a carcass and there is no option to slaughter a live capture

[thorny wolf]

Part of it is that marketplaces in their current state aren't really good. You really have to dig to compare prices between everyone individual marketplaces. Combine that with the sheer scale of resources it takes to go from level 1 to 10 in crafting and the fact that there's not really anything to look forward on the journey up to level 10, the price point of buying tier 1 commons just for leveling purposes isn't really worth it for people who are actually at level 1-10. It also doesn't help that there's a pretty big imbalance on sought after tier 1 resources with copper and zinc being both hard to aquire and bulk and very needed to progress a lot of crafting skills.

[minor falcon]

I mean I'm posting on global constantly for pretty much everything except copper/zinc/tin/ruby/halcy (the only things I can actually move) at literally 2s each, willing to go to 1s. And I sold nothing in 3 days

[wicked axle]

If your resources aren't for bis items then they have only vendor value. Perhaps a transmute processing profession would be of some use

[minor falcon]

There's also zero value in JM common/uncommon because there's no point in leveling further and there's no point in using them for crafts

[median fjord]

Aye I literally vender t3 ores and gems I mine up unless they're epic or legendary

Same with everything else under that

[thorny wolf]

Yeah adding a rarity type to every single resource definitely doesn't feel very good. It causes a lot of inventory bloat too

[main tusk]

It would be nice to have the ability to picklist some tags to make searches easier.

[pearl gust]

Caravan parts will be a consistant use for some pieces from lumberjack/mining, especially if they release the extra recipes.

[minor falcon]

True. Could look into armor further and Pop's Wheels on Vyra are doing very well. Check out the Markets in NA Winstead Miraleth or Azmaran for your selection of Pop's Wheels.

[pearl gust]

Shameless plug :p Expect some market competition soon >.>

[sweet elk]

As is our favorite conversation for server downtime, I did have a thought this week.

If we make all spawns random timers and rarity, the amount of higher rarity materials in the economy will SIGNIFICANTLY reduce.

Thats not a problem or not unbalancable but just an effect people need to realise.

Its not very hard to end up with the hunting situation on all gatherables.

[left parrot]

that’s a price I’m willing to pay to never play Timers of Creation again.

[sweet elk]

Just saying, because hunting essentially works how people are suggesting to fix it.

Its a random respawn, the quality spawns as common and only your rarity affects the outcome.

The only difference is theres a lot less spawns.

[pearl gust]

Why would it? The distribution would still be the same, just not in the same spot. People won't be able to find them at spawn as easy, so there might be a slight reduction, but overall, it wouldn't be noticeable.