alpha-two-artisan-chat

[hybrid stirrup]

Yeah

[pliant crown]

also when a node buidling piece needs less ore than you do to level to 10 in a profession

i feel like it should be a much less friction on leveling the crafting professions so you can make node progression more of the focus generally

[prisma ravine]

Yo you got to share 😄

[pliant crown]

also if a new player wants to make themselves a greatsword just to say, the only thing they cant reliablely find is copper

i want different things to be messed with before we get more systems on top of it

also im in here for so long cause im working but work is slow so ayy

[narrow vessel]

Also at work! Aaayyy!

[whole minnow]

same 0 issue to find it after i found the right spot and actually put in the work with clearing the shit out for the good stuff to respawn (if i know im running the same route for hours and hours)

crazy thing for me is that ive gotten 0 legendary rubys lol with a total of probably 1k at least total mined

[opaque phoenix]

So this test phase as far as I know is just whether servers crash things break, not debugging crafting really we'll probably get into that in the next one.

[pliant crown]

its just do you consider their artisan system part of progression or not i guess is the quesiton

[opaque phoenix]

Well you seemed to be asking that the December 20th build not occur until copper is increased on the map? I'm on a bus so not reading up further on the chat to see if there was other context, artisanship isn't mentioned as something to test it just seems to be in a placeholder way to play with and probably the parts they put in needed further messing with to see if it could break

[pliant crown]

if you dont want to read context why do you care what others think of the way things are handled?

just leave your feedback on the forums like i have

[opaque phoenix]

I read what I could find in your comments but nothing threaded so wasn't sure if there was some further explanation, go feed back yourself 🤗

I *couldn't find anything that would provide further context other than what I thought you'd said. I would read the alpha phase notes in the News feed.

[nova remnant]

The gear power of crafting feels like it outweighs open world, at least if there are upgraded stations

Higher rarity mats too common?

1 day of farming for a really great if not near bis slot ish. Maybe because we are on lower tiers still

[glacial helm]

As far as I understand the vision I think it is supposed to not only outweigh it but make gear in the open world the exception.

[glacial helm]

I've spent 3 days on artisanship (tailoring) and the best I've done is 5 pieces of green gear solo. That is the result of 40 people pooling mats.

[pliant crown]

funny enough i think poop would be easier to get higher tier flax more reliably but still gotta get the rare+ grem carcass

[glacial helm]

ditto! I think you need the better hunting bow, to get the rarer carcasses. I had that epiphany last night, and my lifeforce drained out of my body, so I went to bed! I haven't summoned the willpower to login yet today.

[pliant crown]

i have no personal experience but i have been seeing people in here mentioning how for wood the tool doesnt appear to be helping so idk of thats the same issue for the others since i dont have the rarity tool myself to test it

[glacial helm]

Somehow that makes me feel better. 🤣 That it was a futile exercise, and not me being stupid.

The big thing is that if this is left to Phase2, I'm not going to get left behind in the adventuring to test artisanship. I did that in this phase. I want to to do the fun stuff and try the group content. I'm going to be on the bleeding edge next time. If you want me to test artisanship, do it now!

[waxen rock]

Any decent spots for farming Copper? xD

[pliant crown]

usually the ores spawn where the rock gathering nodes are near water in my experience

[pliant crown]

none of those are really leveling process except skill trees, but i dont want my skill tree to just be +10% exp per craft

to add onto ore spawns, north of joeva where it has a bunch of water there is rocks there and some mountains, has a bunch of mid teen enemies too though

[violet jolt]

if only lol. Youy forget the people who play the game, they are the ones removing deposits, mening if you only see the journeyman it means somebody else already mined the rest. The real issue is the lack of mining nodes. Its a design flaw which hopefully gets fixed

[pliant crown]

south of joeva where the uhhhh estates place is there is like a path along the river where a bunch of nodes spawn

but general water + hilly/mountainy seems to have rocks/ores

sometimes i have seen rocks without hills or water so im not sure what the exact thing is for it

[violet jolt]

And the solution is already presented in here https://youtu.be/W6dhCycYAJQ?t=1478 (with timestamp ;))

where basalt/granite can contain metals

[pliant crown]

oh? will watch here in a sec

[violet jolt]

My big question is ... why does that game looks different than what we play xD

[pliant crown]

i assume since they wanted to strip the game down for stability purposes

also less things to work through when figuring out what causes crashed and whatnot

[violet jolt]

hey man im with you hoping it is 🙂

[pliant crown]

oh yea its like the person said about having rocks have other ores inside them

it would help a lot for the new player experience

[pliant crown]

and yea i dont know the full context of how dev works but i assume that if they strip it down it makes it less laggy and easier to identify what causes issue

[whole minnow]

double server resets , easy copper

[pliant crown]

lol

especially during the work day on the usa servers

[whole minnow]

yeah i barely got my second cleanup lap done , guess i have to go do it all again 😂

damn didnt refresh the mining things on resna

[pliant crown]

oop

[waxen rock]

Was wondering have the devs disclosed the drop rate of Heroic and Legendary gathering materials? Is it around 1% or so?

[pliant crown]

i havent heard anything specifically stated

[hybrid stirrup]

isn't epic rarer than heroic

[proper kiln]

anyone know the best item to spam to level weaponsmithing fast?

[deep wolf]

I swear when they messed with droppings quality they messed with others to lower them.

Copper shield

[proper kiln]

i thought so, ty

[agile crystal]

has anyone been able to fillet salmon or higher tier fish? I wonder if it's in the game

[pliant crown]

profit margin versin i believe i was told was mace since it npcs for much more copper

[waxen rock]

It is

[glacial helm]

I'm not sure that video of the vision is quite the issue we are talking about. The problem is that they are several orders of magnitude out in terms of artisan gear quantity and quality, and time investment, when compared to adventuring. If the "Real" game is adventuring, no one is going to invest in group artisanship, because the opportunity cost of artisanship is far too high. If our group spends time adventuring we will level faster, and get gear. When I get to max level, I will solo 40 levels of crafting, in no time. Artisanship holistically needs to be twice as productive, in gear and glint/gold as adventuring, to make up for lost adventuring XP, for an artisan (or a group) to just make stuff for themselves, let alone for other people. This is just basic economics.

[violet jolt]

I really have no clue what you talk about tbh. The topic was lack copper/zinc mining nodes. In the video it shows basalt nodes have minerals.

[glacial helm]

They are somewhere in the region of 10x too little material and too much time. Adding a few mineral drops to stone nodes isn't going to make a blind bit of difference.

[restive aspen]

Nothing for Crafting changes?

[deep wolf]

I really think it’s just weaponsmith xp for novice crafts. Crafting will take awhile to come online but I think will give by far the best gear. Huge difference in quality and most drops limited to blue quality.

[pliant crown]

outside of armor profession the reest of the gear is 2k+ ores

[deep wolf]

I can’t speak to how hard to level apprentice to journeyman but assume still same issue.

Jewelry is ruby/emerald etc and fine

Arcane is ok with pylons

Not great but doable

Scribe is insane with rubies and ink should be *5

[restive aspen]

Can't speak for All Crafting professions but Arcane Engineering is a now way. Jewelry I got to level 5 as a level 19 miner - sucks pretty hard

[deep wolf]

Having to process rubies twice 1-1 is terrible.

@restive aspen did you do ruby necks?

[restive aspen]

Yes

I went from getting 12% Xp per item at level 1 to 4% on level 4

[glacial helm]

What adventuring level are you?

[restive aspen]

With Shirt and scroll

[pliant crown]

@deep wolf #alpha-two-artisan-chat message now there was disucssion that some people get exp from pylons, i do not get any personally

[deep wolf]

I know someone else was

That was leveling it in my guild

[restive aspen]

Have not tried pylons this patch but Zero XP before that - I gave up on Arcan and trying Jewelry

[deep wolf]

I gave up on weapon and did the armor ones

[pliant crown]

the advantage from what i was told in jewlery is you can do either ore but you need more total

[restive aspen]

^^ Zinc Easier

[deep wolf]

Well it’s because 8 copper gives same exp as 2 zinc recipes

[glacial helm]

Are the people making headway higher level and going back and doing artisanship?

[restive aspen]

@deep wolf Winterbaldes? Can't rember from CF

[deep wolf]

Yea

[glacial helm]

You see that is a problem and why Artisanship needs to be tested under progression. If they leave gear dropping in adventuring, everyone will leave gear artisanship to max level, and they will be in the space New World was in.

[waxen rock]

Wait is it possible to craft legendary weapons or impossible since you need legendary grade vendor reagents as well?

[deep wolf]

It’s possible

Not everything needs vendor

Also not sure if vendor is averaged in

Like cotton is just the droppings quality

[pliant crown]

the recipee will say what is used in rarity

[restive aspen]

You can craft legenday but as a novice - Which I will try soon if the path to Apprentice reamins this difficult

[pliant crown]

and vender items are not used for rarity process

[restive aspen]

At least I can test "Something"

[deep wolf]

I mean resna got fucked on buildings because bad mayors

That doesn’t help progression

[restive aspen]

Agreed but that does not effect the path towards Apprentice level crafting

XP and Recource requiremnets

[deep wolf]

I agree that it needs revamping. But I don’t think some of them are that far off

[pliant crown]

the armor professions are okay, but dont feel amazing, just alright imo

[deep wolf]

Each subcomp should give equivalent xp

[pliant crown]

specifically for 1-10 leveling

[restive aspen]

I just hit 5 - lets see if I am getting 4% for Zinc Necklaces - scared to try

[pliant crown]

also crafting items needs the exp normalized so you can make anything to level it

[deep wolf]

Yep that’s biggest issue

8 copper should give same exp as 8 zinc

[glacial helm]

The consumable professions and the weapon professions where you just need 1 high quality thing of each, are just doable for starter equipment, but still not worthwhile for your own levelling. The gear professions are really bad. If you want to equip yourself in levelling gear, before you out-level the gear, it is beyond futile.

[pliant crown]

from my testing of tailor, the ashescodex website saying you need 40k exp to get to level 10 in crafting profession is about right

it says you need 160k to get to level 20 💀

but if apprentice crafts give a lot of exp you never know

[restive aspen]

XP now down to 3% for level 5 Jewelry Zin Necklaces - From 14% at level 1

[pliant crown]

thats why the 300 exp great sword recipee from weaponsmith feels bad

[deep wolf]

Just make every non vendor item give 50xp. Copper shield give 450. #fixed. then double for apprentice t2 items

[pliant crown]

yea i feel like it should just be where each tier up is a lot more exp than lower tier so you have a reason to not grind tier 1 recipees or not get 0 exp

[deep wolf]

Side note. I still wish stone gave some ore too because there’s way too much fucking stone.

Expecting people to clear stone for ore will never work because you aren’t guaranteed the pay off. Not guaranteed will be ore and not guaranteed you will get it. Also any time spent clearing stone is time not finding the ore that is up.

[pliant crown]

makes me wonder what it would feel like if it was 50% weapon mold 50% ore

[glacial helm]

The other problem is that they set adventurer's expectations that they can level without relying on crafted gear. What happens when the PvPers learn that they have to stop leveling and spend 2 weeks grinding with the artisans, so they can get the gear they need to get to the next 10 levels?

[devout river]

Random thought. Looking for opinions. Right now when you try to craft apprentice level items, you need apprentice level sub-components. Speaking for the pickaxe. I think in an effort to help newer players tinker around and "figure out" the system, the required sub-components should be one tier lower. And then flatten back out at the next tier. I'm finding that I'm hitting a bit of a wall, but I'm still in the "how does this all work" phase of my experience.

[deep wolf]

@devout river it gets hard quickly to craft without a crafter buddy or two to support each other. Very much an organized guild activity.

I don’t hate the suggestion though but that’s because I don’t like to wait on other to craft.

[devout river]

Exactly. Which I think is the point of the game. But I wonder if there should be a softer transition into these mechanics. A "kiddy pool" so to speak before getting into the deep end.

I really just want to play with these mechanics before getting "hard core" and joining a guild, etc.

[pliant crown]

would be nice to have simple recipees for actual basic gear and the better stuff be the full system but im not sure if that would fit in the vision

[cunning bolt]

hey, what do you use the Radiant rune for?

[deep wolf]

Honestly I think just need to normalize xp based on materials and add ore chance to stone and crafting becomes 100x easier

[pliant crown]

most likely a recipee for gear that uses it

[glacial helm]

I think we all are, even Intrepid. It is going to take a bit of back and forth before we work out what is going to be the most practical. I think they have to make artisanship soloable. You really want some content you can do solo, because few people have a play schedule that allows regular gameplay. You have to be able to solo content in order to catch up or have something to do when your group isn't on.

[deep wolf]

They will point to auction house

To make it soloable

[devout river]

And maybe that will make all the difference in the end.

[cunning bolt]

yeah... I am just wondering what kind

[glacial helm]

Don't see how you are going to have the gold to use the AH.

[deep wolf]

Selling subcomps

[glacial helm]

Yeah but a group is required for gathering, that is where the bottleneck is.

[deep wolf]

What do you mean? Sorry not understand exactly what you mean

If you’re a gatherer you sell base mats. Processor you sell processed goods. Crafter end products. The only issue is gold has to flow from people doing pve downwards with not a lot of gold opportunity for startup for gatherer and processor

[waxen rock]

Isn't 20 gold for 200 pieces of common Zinc a bit extremely overpriced?

[glacial helm]

I accept you can just go back and level artisanship once you get over-level adventuring. But I don't see how you solo level artisanship, while you are levelling adventuring.

[deep wolf]

You solo level by gathering and processing and selling once theres a market. But I don’t think game will be set up well for solo crafters until robust market. And I just mentioned startup gold for pure gatherer or harvester is a bit of an issue right now.

At some point you have to accept a solo crafter will have a harder time than a guild crafter where 50 people feed mats

[icy sage]

Same. And it’s still pita bc of how much T1 metal you need to level up.

[glacial helm]

But I cant gather without a group!!!!!! so I'm not going to have any mats to sell, unless I am significantly over-level. A robust market is useless until I have something to sell!

[deep wolf]

Why can’t you gather without a group? I gather all day without a group

I’m level 13 because that’s all I needed to not insta die to mobs

[gaunt gust]

Has anyone checked if slate mortar has been fixed and can be crafted now?

[glacial helm]

You would be a much higher level if you were group grinding levels, instead of doing artisanship. Either you can hit 50 in a profession at the same time as adventuring or you cant. Either it is worth levelling artisanship concurrently with adventuring or it isn't. If it takes 3 weeks to get adventuring to level 50, and say 6 weeks to level a craft then nothing you do in artisanship is going to help your adventuring. But when you get to 50 Adventuring the first 40 levels of professions will be a breeze. So, a lack of artisanship is going to slow down the adventurers (by a LOT) one way or another. Unless you make Artisanship irrelevant to adventuring which is game death by New World.

I think they need to make artisanship to 40 soloable and pretty easy to keep up with levelling. Artisanship 40-50 and end-game, can be long, hard, be grindy require a group and be expensive.

[open lodge]

hi all. do i have to use the apprentice lumberjack axe in order to cut down the next level trees

[pseudo mortar]

Yes

[pliant crown]

yes, right now you need the tier of gathering tool + the gthering level

[open lodge]

that sux. now i need to get an axe lol

[glacial helm]

There is no quality on tools - so that helps.

[open lodge]

i was running into trees that wount show name or cut now i know why

[pliant crown]

whats even crazier is if you were at the start of a server, there are no apprentice stations you cant upgrade your gathering tool

[devout river]

Also there is a bug where someone else cut down the tree, but the model is still present. But with noclip.

[opaque phoenix]

thos Larch-looking ones might not be active nodes if they're the ones I've also seen, I'll see all the higher-level trees just with red text

[open lodge]

@devout river @opaque phoenix @glacial helm thx for the info cant wait till the game lets us shine more

[wooden canyon]

Anyone else got copper wiped ?

like all my copper disaperaed but nothing else ^^

[proper kiln]

anyone know why i cant start the craft on this?

[tepid notch]

Is there an easy place to get apprentice mining certifications?

[opaque phoenix]

money?

[tepid notch]

Or must I get it at a node?

[proper kiln]

i got the money

[opaque phoenix]

oh maybe it's to do with Slate someone was complaining about slate but not specifically just "fix slate crafting"

[proper kiln]

ooooooo

[opaque phoenix]

The Mining is somewhere slightly east or northeast of Lionhold, they have little POI silver markers on the map for the different profession certifiers

[tepid notch]

ahh textile mill it is You meant NE and I was doing NW. Whoops

ty

Briarmoor farms

[woeful bronze]

Is it throwing you insufficient materials error message when you mouse over craft button?

[devout river]

How do the processing artisan shirts work? Do you have to wear them during the whole processing? Or just when you collect?

[woeful bronze]

It would only be wearing at start or finishing or both I'm not sure which but mid processing you can change clothes and do something else

[proper kiln]

yeah

[woeful bronze]

Then that's the bug you may have heard of, recipe used to take other mats and they changed it to simplify the recipe but seems in backend the game is still wanting those items and even if you have them it won't craft so we just waiting in a fix to happen

[grand mortar]

Is there an NPC to get apprentice certificate for alchemy in Halcyon? Or just in laboratories?

[woeful bronze]

Laboratories only

[proper kiln]

oh thanks for that i wasn't aware, i just hit 10 and was excited to build something new lol

[woeful bronze]

I believe most other recipes should be okay but the mortar has issues, if you run into other with same issue bug report them to

[proper kiln]

will do

[small silo]

What's the most efficient way to level weaponsmithing?

[wooden briar]

odd question: are grim fur rareness determined by the grim body obtained or the fuel used? I ask because I've only ever seen white grim bodies

[wooden briar]

lmk if you find out the answer

[restive reef]

I'm brand new to this. What resources are Insufficient?

[wooden briar]

click "Add" and select a fuel. try to use white wood

[restive reef]

Fuel is full at 100

[wooden briar]

can you get in vc?

[restive reef]

Gonna try relogging first, sec

[wooden briar]

kk

[proper kiln]

is there currently a cap on how many professions you can have at apprentice level?

[finite sable]

Does anyone know how i use the survey ablity?

[flint patio]

resource spawning is horrendous

[tidal vapor]

hi, do we have solid prices for materials yet or are we still guessing how much we trade them for ?

[opaque phoenix]

It's all up to you, there's no market system or reliable resource spawns or real crafting system

[gaunt gust]

I've posted about this a few times in here and the bug channel. Hopefully it's on their radar by now. I know I'm not the only one reporting it too. Also make sure you report it with /bug in game

[proper kiln]

i did with screenshot

[swift crest]

what happens if you demote a gathering profession, does your tool not work at all?

[woeful bronze]

I haven't really tried to see if limits are off right now but I know final form of the game the plan is 5 apprentice skills, 4 of these can go journeyman etc being one less skill with each rank up to top of having 2 grandmaster skills and the limit includes pre requisite levels so of three master skills it will be the 2 grand master and one extra not A and B grand master and C D and E as master if that makes sense

[vagrant veldt]

5 jobs above novice allowed (2 GrandMaster, 1 Master, 1 JoursneyMan, 1 Apprentice)

[calm spoke]

How do the utility slots on caravans work?

[dire basin]

So you are allowed to super specialize but not omnicraft.....makes sense but also kinda disappointing.

I wonder on what allocation of professionals you need for your specialization. For example, I'm guessing if you wanted to be a weaponsmith you need to have that at grandmaster, metalworking at master, journeyman for mining and apprentice stonemason?

[vagrant veldt]

This is the point of the game : don't do all yourself, not the point of a mmorpg. You depends on others, but they will depend on you too.
For the allocation we can just guess, as the higgest tier we can do right now if journeysman but it's bugged, so more apprentice ^^

[dire basin]

Oh I get it, it's just gonna be annoying if I can't even finish my specialization. To make a sword I need a mold, metal, and wood, andd if it's magic I need magic dust. Which means, if you need high ranks to make the appropriate molds, and the appropriate woods, and the magic dust, I can't even make a sword without having to go to someone else for the wood and molds and that will be.....frustrating.

Gonna have to wait and see if their is cap on gathering rarity/skill required.

[maiden turtle]

The goal is for people to not be completely self reliant

[dire basin]

There's a difference between "self reliant" and "being able to do the job I picked out". In my opinion at least. It's still early alpha so right now I'm just seeing how it plays out. When it's more complete I'll look over to again and come to a better picture.

Granted, this is also completely mitigated of you put together a crafting guild filled with dedicated specialists and work hand in hand.

[wooden canyon]

I mean there is a trader union on my server that specialize in gathering/processing for crafters

those guys making bank

[crude shoal]

Really? Who are they?

Im soon going to be able to craft apprentice shirts but weeping willow is hard to come by so want to buy some.

[spiral nacelle]

Where is the mining cert upgrade guy?

[crude shoal]

Either at the stoneworks building on your server or east of lionhold at the mini stonework (zoom in to find it)

[uncut vine]

How to get Hunting Bow apprentice ? I dont see any recipe

[crude shoal]

You don't need to learn the basic recipe. It's already available at the tool crafting station

[uncut vine]

yep i go to tool station and i only see novice recipe

[crude shoal]

Are you at the building in the node or the station that is outside of a node just on the map?

[uncut vine]

i go in node

i dont know where is hunting station out side note

[crude shoal]

It should be there. /bug it

[uncut vine]

ok thx

[spiral nacelle]

There's something wrong with slate weapon molds right?

[crude shoal]

Yup. Bluebell fibres don't exist, but the mortar craft still requires then despite you not being able to add them.

[mild wharf]

What am I doing wrong?

[mild wharf]

Is it the same as this one?

[mystic zodiac]

nothing that craft is bugged for now 😦

[mild wharf]

So no Armor Molds? :C

[mystic zodiac]

nor weapons

[mild wharf]

Sads

Well more time to Level my metalworking so I could even use these lol

[crude shoal]

Yup that's the issue. /bug it.

It's currently blocking all apprentice amour/weaponsmithing and lumber, mining and herbalism tools to journeyman.

The tools aren't that big of an issue right now as those buildings are hard to get. But the armour/weapon is annoying.

Annoyingly this worked before the update on Saturday.

[mild wharf]

I read the Journeyman Buildings are currently not hard, but impossible to get?

[mystic zodiac]

they're hard*

we have one on our server

[prime creek]

any idea what a pylon is used for cause my xp is staying the same for logging even when i have the shirt on

[thorn sky]

BEWARE: Lumber milling.Stack size takes more than indicated from your inventory. 100 takes 150 and 250 takes 500+ (9 stacks of 62) from your inventory. To be safe - have any extra stored off character so math stack bug does not rob you :(.

[vagrant veldt]

same for lumbermilling

[blazing field]

What crafting items does an apprentice fishing pole require?

[thorn sky]

That is the one! Carpentry doesnt do do stacks… lemme correct

[merry iron]

Where can I find a crushing station?

Or metalworking. Can't locate one in Riverlands and I'm walking around since hours, actually looking for it since yesterday.

[wooden canyon]

you mean the upgrades for journeyman thing ? i think we got some going on my server not completed yet tho but on the way

[wooden canyon]

to transform ore into fragment ??

[merry iron]

yes

[wooden canyon]

if yes there is one in any node, maybe even one in lionhold(unsure) there is also a station somewhere around here

[crude shoal]

We have the journeyman quary being built on arioch right now.

[merry iron]

Thought so, isn't there, I already gave up, but thanks 🙂

A lot of "giving up" for me in this game, Quest mobs not spawning etc. :/

[wooden canyon]

it's impossible to get every Journeyman upgrade for every Artisan skill

is what it is

But if your node solely focus on One Artisan building, let's say Woodshop, you can get Journeyman LumberMilling and JourneyMan Carpentry

On Arioch, in Joeva we got Journeyman LumberMilling on the way but we wont be able to get Journeyman Carpentry cause we also built the Tailoring Crafting station

[lime rock]

Well it's an alpha and not a full game yet

[merry iron]

Thanks, didn't know. I'm F&F testing WoW since Wotlk, I know that things are missing, but usually they do take care of the starting zone.

[wet quarry]

How many professions can you fully master?

[violet siren]

They are not impossible. We have them being built on Arioch

[mild wharf]

In my Server the nodes just Mix and Match whatever.. smithy, leatherworks, tailoring, all in one..
Another one got lab, stoneworks, factory and trade

[wooden canyon]

Factory and trade outpost are Annex building you need for upgrade and Can help with upkeep, but having all crafting station won't get you far

[mild wharf]

Not like I can really do anything about it ^^

[wooden canyon]

True

[vagrant breach]

Does the higher rarity apprentice mining pick (copper+larch+mold) give increased rarity rating? I can only find upgraded versions of (tin+larch+ mould) I don't want to waste what little blue copper I got if I should wait and combine it with tin to get the extra rarity.

[deep wolf]

Is it just me or is the resource density drastically different between some nodes?

[keen parcel]

So, question regarding crafting gear....

If i have a recipe to craft a piece of gear...can i craft higher rarities of that same recipe by just using higher tier materials? Or am I missing something?

[hybrid swan]

Smithy is being built in Winstead materials collect no idea how long to build it! say 4 hr remaining 🙂

@keen parcel Correct it takes the lvl of the lowest item you put in, there is a image of the item you make before you press go

its copper I am so unlucky in mining

[crude shoal]

It's not the lowest quality, it seems to take an average of what you put in.

What you see before you click craft is what you will get.

When doing a crafting proffession you can get quality bonus rating from higher rarity / level shirts and pants. This can help increase the stats on the output item. But this is also shown before you hit craft.

[cursive sphinx]

Isn't Husbandry a strange name?? I am Norwegian, and I learned in school that husband is someone you are married to? So... Husbandry is "to manage carefully" your husband?

[keen parcel]

there might be something to that, but at the moment, i think its the result of absolute random

[keen parcel]

ok, awesome

[inner gulch]

Husband from Old Norse means master of the house

[deep wolf]

I think its more they worked on some zones first or different people working on different nodes. Halcyon has way less harvestables than miraleth

[inner gulch]

Husbandry on the other hand was the trade of handling and breeding animals

[keen parcel]

you think so? In the entire ZoI?

[keen parcel]

Not so much that you're the husband, but you are "husbanding" your animals

[keen parcel]

I learned something new today, yay.

[inner gulch]

Well husbanding would be the verb action tense of partaking in the act of husbandry no?

[cursive sphinx]

The word is very similar to the norwegian "husbond" which means the head of the family

Still weird to me that this word is used for farming 😄

[real sparrow]

Where can I make an apprentice pick axe

[keen parcel]

which server?

[tame mortar]

find a town that has build a stonecutters upgrade

[real sparrow]

Vyra

[keen parcel]

probably check out Vyra server chat to find which node has it.

[spiral nacelle]

Am I right in thinking we can't mine apprentice ores/gems because the pickaxe required slate mould which we can't get because of no bluebells?

[crude shoal]

In general, apprentice tools are crafted at the node building of that type

[crude shoal]

Yup

[tame mortar]

there are two apprentice pickaxes, first one only takes basalt molds

[spiral nacelle]

Ooh really? Nice. Stonemasons is it? or another building

[crude shoal]

Woops I thought you said journeyman

[spiral nacelle]

Christ, I only just hit apprentice haha, manage to get about 20 copper from 1 -> 10 lol

[crude shoal]

Apprentice pickaxe is available at the stonemason yes. 10 Copper fragments, 10 western larch timber, 1 basalt weapon mold

[tame mortar]

every profession has 2 variations of the apprentice tool, all of the "easy" ones can do done with the first upgrade

[keen parcel]

wait what? why are there 2?

[spiral nacelle]

Nice nice nice, I'll get on that when servers are back up, ty

[crude shoal]

They give different stats

[keen parcel]

ur doing great at that ratio....

[tame mortar]

standard apprentice tool and better apprentice tool 🙂

[spiral nacelle]

I just want to be able to mine the t2 ores so I can increase the chance of copper

[keen parcel]

ooohhhhhhh, makes sense. Kirkland brand and Gucci pickaxes

[spiral nacelle]

I saw someone in the bugs and issues channel say they lost bluebells out of their storage due to the storage bug atm though, are they actually not in game?

This one

[tame mortar]

Crafting is quite complex, looking forward to what we are getting in the coming patches

[crude shoal]

They can't be crafted at the apprentice weaving station.

[spiral nacelle]

Ah right, annoying.

I'm looking forward to getting into the crafting to be honest. I hope they leave it complex. Sick of companies making things easier for the sake of more customers

[crude shoal]

If you do want to craft, friends or a guild will be needed.

[spiral nacelle]

Mandatory?

[crude shoal]

You cannot gather and process enough to fully craft anything at the apprentice level

[spiral nacelle]

I have others in our guild who will be gathering crafting as well so not a problem, is that not just a time gate though? Or you actually can't do it

[crude shoal]

If you have people gathering then you are fine

[tame mortar]

most people will be gathers, then processors and then few grand master crafters

[crude shoal]

Most apprentice crafts need at least 3 different processing materials (each other those needing apprentice gathering)

And as you are limited to 5 apprentice professions you can't solo it

And that will probably only get worse as the crafts rank up.

And by worse I mean you will have to interact with more people.

(Which is better imo)

[tame mortar]

You likely won't be able to solo a grand master profession with 5 characters on your account

[spiral nacelle]

Interesting, so could you go 3 gathers, 2 crafts ? lumber/mining/hunting/weaponsmithing/husbandry as an example

[crude shoal]

You could.

But you would need to buy most of you weaponsmithing materials

[spiral nacelle]

Even with mining and lumber as gathering profs?

[crude shoal]

Yeah, cause you will need ingots and weapon molds

[spiral nacelle]

Ahh right the processing bit is a profession as well

[crude shoal]

So either you find someone who can make those or you trade you gathered materials for processed materials or you buy then outright

[crude shoal]

Yup

[spiral nacelle]

Eeesh, alright. Isn't summoner by default gated to 3 though?

They need hunting/husbandry for their summons right?

[crude shoal]

No clue 😂

[spiral nacelle]

Yea, sure I read somewhere you can modify the summons using that profession. Guess we'll see. Appreciate the info though; no doubt be back with more questions at some point. Cheers!

[crude shoal]

No problem.

[spiral nacelle]

I'll be on Lotharia if anyone else is and wants to work together on Artisan bits!

[chilly mortar]

Do you have a job waiting for pickup still?

[spiral nacelle]

Changed mortar recipes to require thread instead of fibers
Fixed issues with recipes not displaying properly in the Profession menu

Oooh, maybe that's the fix for apprentice stuff

[gaunt gust]

I fcking love you devs.

[mild wharf]

I did not ^^

[chilly pecan]

Question regarding pylons.. after gathering in the circle of influence I begin a timer until I'm able to place another. How am I able to change the area of coverage if only 1 is allowed at a time?

[deep wolf]

They are super quick on some bugs, I reported the trade+storage dupe a couple days ago(although no idea the steps to make it happen) just had it happen to me

[gaunt gust]

Sadly, this bug has held me back for about 2 weeks when I reported it

[noble pagoda]

Hello everyone!

What proffesion would be able to make gathering tools for herbalist

[mystic zodiac]

herbalism

each gathering profession makes its own tool

you'd need mats from other professions usually tho

[gloomy barn]

Waaaaaaaaaaaaaa

[chrome forge]

With the motar update would that fix the slate motar? (right channel)

Oh snap, better put my mining gear back on

[noble pagoda]

Tt

Ty

[sweet elk]

At the risk of being viciously attacked by everyone who cant find copper/zinc 😛 once youve levelled to 10 in your crafting professions are you finding that basically anything that isnt epic/legendary is useless to you? For T1 resources i mean

[mortal dawn]

copper and zinc are used in level 10 gear ingots as an example, so not useless entirely

[sweet elk]

i guess it depends if youre levelling to journeyman crafting or not, but im basically just looking at making decent rarity 10-20 gear now

[mystic zodiac]

not when you wanna upgrade to journeyman crafting

[mortal dawn]

yeah come p2 itll all be worthwhile still

for that XP

and if anything you sell common / uncommon to others

and use rare + yourself

lots of paths for it

[sweet elk]

true. just running back with all the bad rarity stuff all the time takes a while

but yeah i guess theres a weirdly imposed ceiling because of the level cap that wont be there normally

[glacial helm]

Actually enjoyed solo gathering and crafting last night. I do think solo efficiency has to be improved. The whole division of labor and the economy will speed things up, but not enough. I think there has to be a way of refining goods, to make them lower quality, to get more quantity. Particularly things like sand, metals, fiber etc. Matching quality slows things up. It would also help supply. Uncommon weapons are fine for levelling. It also helps supply the professions with stuff for levelling without increasing gathering. And means you don't need to carry so much around with you, right at the start.

[lime rock]

Gotta make ingots still using T1 fragments

[sweet elk]

maybe the better question is, what is everyone doing with the middle rarity stuff

sure common and green you can level with

and save legendary/epic

[glacial helm]

Well, the hope is, when everything works, I can craft a rare or higher piece of something for myself, every now and again, while I craft green stuff to sell and common stuff for levelling. I think that is what the game should aim at. Isn't that sort of everyone's expectation?

[sweet elk]

maybe its just me, but once ive got green/blue tools for example im finding im just thinking ill just hit more rocks/or whatever and luck out and get epic/legendary. And im hitting less rocks by running back and forwards to dump stuff in town instead of just leaving it on the ground

[glacial helm]

I haven't got to that stage yet, but is that because you have reached "Endgame" at 25? Probably at real endgame when levelling is no longer significant, the average material quality will be rare and the minimum uncommon?

[sweet elk]

I think that might be it, and it would be the same but at grandmaster/50 or whatever

just thats a lot further away when we have the full game

[dire basin]

hm i also seem to have lost stuff to the storage bug, as id gotten lucky and found some heroic stone id turned into molds and those are now gone. and i didn't even have a character before this last weekend, so there was no way for me to have been part of the dupli situation at all.

[rustic viper]

How can we make Cotton Thread with higher Tier Droppings? I have the higher droppings, but they never show up as a choice when I try to make Cotton

im assuming we can't get higher tier water and seeds

[stray snow]

so from playing the last few weekends and trying to figure out gathering/processing/crafting rather than just hardcore XP grinding all day, I've come to the conclusion that...it's hard. And by hard I mean you will need other people or a market. For example, I went tailoring and gathering. I am bottlenecked at apprentice because I need tanning materials and woodcutting materials at apprentice. The sheer amount of time it would take to level all of those gathering and processing skills up to be equal to gathering/tailoring/weaving would be incredible. Basically, WTT is going to be thing in this game.

[rustic viper]

It's worse than that. By the time we level up a Crafting Profession, we can no longer make anything that is usable by ourselves. We outgrow what we can make very quickly, even when just adventuring casually

[narrow bluff]

have to share this somewhere... all the novice tools require copper to craft but it seems like i see every material BUT copper around the world

[rustic viper]

pretty much have to get off the beaten track to find any copper, and even there it is very scarce

[stray snow]

I havent seen what kind of gear drops from levels 15+. You are able to craft blue/heroic gear not incredibly hard if you constantly gather. Is this for sure the case?

[oblique helm]

WEEPING WILLOW timber is fucked? Epic becomes Prime Oak Wood and Heroic becomes {null} unlabeled

Are the other tiers safe?

[rustic viper]

As a Leather Worker, I currently can only make the Novice Stalker stuff, which at level 14 is of no use to me.

Most of the good gear i have is from drops. the drops are very much better than anything i can craft, which is sad

[stray snow]

Ah. I can almost make the apprentice stuff at level 12 for tailoring, I just need apprentice items from other professions tho is the problem

and i sacrificed leveling to go around chopping wood n shit

not to mention finding Grems consistently amongst other things like copper and flax (unless you farm droppings like i did) is hard

like i want it to be difficult, but this seems flawed a bit idk yet

[spiral nacelle]

Damn I've been selling the droppings

Should I have kept them?

[stray snow]

you can use them for farming

i use it to make flax to level weaving and tailoring

[rustic viper]

So that's my point, once you're Aprentice, you will be able to make the Bear Gear, which is lesser than the typical drops you start seeing at level 8-12

[stray snow]

i honestly dont know what drops ive only seen garbage from mobs

but i hunt animals not humanoids

[rustic viper]

Also, I'm now an Apprentice Lumbarjack and Miner, yet all the new stuff that I can now gather, I am unable to process, so I'm stuck

[stray snow]

well maybe they fix it on wipe

because i wanna go all out crafting next wipe IDC about leveling that shit is easy if you want to just grind

[rustic viper]

I really think Crafting needs to be heavily rebalanced so that it makes sense to become a crafter. I'm also hoping that the new build in december will address some of this. We'll have to see 🙂

[stray snow]

i hope so too, i think its close but if you are saying the drops make it pointless then that sucks

[rustic viper]

I think we just need to be able to progress faster, especially at the beginning. And when you craft with higher tier mats, you can make some pretty decent stuff

I still think there should be great drops to get while adventuring, but crafted stuff, should be solid standard gear, and should be of use to ourselves at least, when we craft

I have some boots and some gloves that I got when I think I was 11 or so, and they are light and caster-oriented, but they are MUCH better than the crafted Ranger Medium gear I replaced with them.

[stray snow]

its always been my opinion crafted stuff should be the best in the game or at least have its benefits

UO it was like that

in vanilla wow it was the same shit, crafting yourself gear as you leveled was useless for the most part aside from maybe a couple things

[trail wyvern]

Is there a decent spot to find weeping willows?

[oblique helm]

No, they are everywhere

But everyone gets them

[rustic viper]

so far I haven't found any place that has more thnan just 1 or 2

[radiant dust]

Yooo what was the enchanting scroll recipe fix? Did they make green ink finally obtainable

[merry grove]

where is the NPC that can promote herbalism to Apprentice?

[gaunt gust]

I lost my 5 legendary tin from the rollback last night...

[opaque gate]

what server is the most ahead on town nodes

[steep current]

https://ashescodex.com/map?x=-902780.6640625001&y=603892.3339843749

[barren flame]

What would be a better use of rare poop? Rare flax, or Rare cotton?

[vagrant veldt]

are you talking about droppings ?

[barren flame]

yea

[vagrant veldt]

keep it when you will need it

[barren flame]

right, im trying to determine what i would need it for though

[vagrant veldt]

If you want to become 10 in tailoring you need around 500 flax

#alpha-two-artisan-chat message

[toxic ridge]

Really hope they fix copper soon. Ive seen more iron than copper,zinc, and tin combined

[heady creek]

How many levels of novice are there?

[sweet elk]

10 you can upgrade from novice to apprentice

[heady creek]

thanks

[atomic mist]

hi guys, is processing supposed to be that slow ?

[pliant crown]

i dont know if intented at exact time but from what was said by intrepid they currently do want it to be a kind of stop gap

also anyone know what the hotfix notes meant with
Fixed several issues with Enchanting scroll recipes

[grand mortar]

it's because no one can mine iron rn

so while the other ores are mined by other before you, the iron remains

but i do agree that is ridiculously difficult to find copper

[magic mauve]

does anyone know where the 2nd sword division helm recipe is? It's not in the armorsmith vendor

[olive bobcat]

this is the most solid mining related name ive seen yet. very nice.

[grand mortar]

lol

[radiant dust]

I do believe it to be lyneth

[ruby wasp]

Anyone ever see a legendary caracass/animal fat?

Wondering if its just straightup impossible

[mortal dawn]

I imagine just rare, we got apprentice tools yesterday on castus and ive already gotten a few heroic and rare carcass as a result

[keen cliff]

Is there a max fishing level now. thought we stopped getting exp at 30 or can we get to 30 - 99%

[vast dune]

anyone know where one might find cows milk?

[steep current]

Farming lul

Grow a cow, then milk the cow

[vast dune]

ah very good

any idea where i could buy the cow seed?

[steep current]

Most likely the agriculture building at Joeva

You need apprentice farming to make it xD

[sullen plover]

What is the price of a heroic level ruby?

[radiant dust]

what was the enchanting scroll recipe fix?

[simple ravine]

Hey, I bought some toy crates from winstead and talked to the caravan guy. My cargo is now empty. Wtf do I do now?

[potent parcel]

depends on server, and supply

[safe halo]

FINALLY

[stark smelt]

What are spider carapaces used for?

[gloomy barn]

how to craft that? with all epic materials?

[vagrant veldt]

crafting does an average all the rarity materials
But if your rarity average is close to heroic than epic, then your stats will will be different

[celest hamlet]

So if I understand this correctly, as soon as you have more than 50% of all mats of certain quality then the finished craft will be guaranteed to be of that quality. And depending on quantity of mats of that quality that you use (50.1 -100) determines where it lands on the stat range?

[vagrant veldt]

Technically, it should work like imo. Maybe the importance of the materials in the recipe comes in the equation, not only the quantity, but idk for that. Just keep in mind your current version, it should be close to the truth

[celest hamlet]

Nice, tnx 😃

[whole minnow]

i better not see a node upgrade for journeyman tool now.. 😂

wish we had access to the mining tool recipe with the good stats and i would make a legendary there as well

[mystic zodiac]

you got the second pickaxe with rarity

it's not first stat but at least it's there

[whole minnow]

which one? u mean this https://ashescodex.com/db/item/Gear_Artisan_Mining_Tool_Pickaxe_T2_1 ?

[mystic zodiac]

yes

[whole minnow]

gl finding legendary animal fat lmao , also i dont have the wood atm but that aint a problem compared to animal fat

[mystic zodiac]

got epic

you'd need hc for a final product at legendary I believe

[naive ocean]

not sure the scrolls are crafting as intended, base paper seems to have a big impact. This would be crafted with 4x epic ink,1x heroic ink, 1x heroic powder, 1x epic thread. and come out rare....

enchanting scrolls seem to be right tho

[viral forge]

how does enchanting work? what station crafts the enchantment?

[naive ocean]

id guess this, but havnt explored it to see how it works tho

[deep wolf]

Fortitude Potion (Apprentice Alchemy)

[deep wolf]

Use enchanting scrolls, can buy them from Scribe vendor or make them yourself

[whole minnow]

seen ppl trying to buy legendary animal fat on resna for like 100g lol , i have gold but im not that rich from only mining since i got access + idk if anyone even has it here

[mystic zodiac]

yeah I haven't seen a legendary carcass yet, only epic

[cunning bolt]

hey someone who knows, does the adult cows get lost when you create a baby cow?

[vast dune]

Do you have cows or more importantly milk? I need to know someone actually made this happen 🤣

[tribal lotus]

Are all artisan professions available in alpha 2? Is there any missing?

[errant drift]

Do we have a listing somewhere of what crafting stations are available per node per server?

[cunning bolt]

sadly not. I am planning to figure out where you can get cows, though I am pretty sure it will be from some vendor

[somber crown]

I can’t handle this amount of excitement in the morning

[steep current]

Go to a node with Agriculture Building. There’s a farming vendor there that sells baby cows. Now buy em. Go to the farming station. Now ‘grow’ your cow. Now you have a full grown cow. Now milk it (by using the station again).
Boom. Milk.

||you need apprentice farming to do all that lmao||

[cunning bolt]

do you loose the cow when you make the milk?

[steep current]

Ye

[cunning bolt]

damn, so you probably loose the adult cows if you make a baby cow

[steep current]

If you grow a baby cow into an adult cow ye you lose the baby cow

[cunning bolt]

no, you can make baby cows using two adult cows (according to ashes codex)so I was wondering if the parent cows would be lost

[vast dune]

Do you get beef and milk in this process or 1 or the other

[pliant crown]

oh tha k you i was wondering what they changed with scribe, basically you used to pnly get common no matter what you put in

[steep current]

Dunno if that’s a thing yet in this phase xD I’m not knee deep into farming. All I’ve done was make blackberries and lettuce for building construction and the people who are knee deep into farming plus cooking would be more knowledgeable about it

[hushed pier]

Can we currently have every profession on 1 character?

[vast dune]

You do have all professions on 1 character. There are limits to how many can be upgraded to certain certificate levels but you can do novice in all of them

[steep current]

You can be novice in all professions, 5 in apprentice, 4 in journeyman, 3 in master and 2 in grand master

[hushed pier]

Great. Ty

[steep current]

Made this cheat sheet for anyone who wants a quick look on what materials they need to craft their basic artisan tools

[grand mortar]

had a similar problem, I got a common novice scroll of experience from epic linen thread, rare red ink and uncommon magic powder

[grand mortar]

nice! could you also add the required mastery for the necessary professions?

[safe halo]

20 epic linen, 1 legendary western larch, 1 rare tin ingot. If I swapped the legendary larch with epic - the fishing pole would have been heroic.

[flint sapphire]

finally got enough heroic larch

[tribal lotus]

I think you can mix rare and heroic timber and still get a heroic item just with slightly lower stats.

[edgy crow]

I got this today while processing wood, anyone see this before?

[safe halo]

does anyone know if the fish caught in the sea are any different at the moment?

[foggy dove]

ive seen pristine zinc fragments but not clear oak

[bold sigil]

Is it possible to get anything higher than uncommon spidersilk?

[safe halo]

yes

[bold sigil]

just keep farming webweavers or what?

[safe halo]

any spider / arachnid type. Try to find something with a star. higher level and more elite the more the drops

[bold sigil]

ty

[safe halo]

depending on your level check out some of these areas

[bold sigil]

yea basically i should get into ursine and grind

[rose holly]

Can I just skip straight from the beginning sickle to apprentice? Or do I need to make a novice

[crude shoal]

You can just build apprentice

As long as you are apprentice rank.

[rose holly]

lovely

Thanks

[somber crown]

Yes, the names of willow timber are bugged like that. That is really uncommon weeping willow timber

[edgy crow]

oh thank you, I had been working on some Weeping Willow, but when you trying to process a lot of wood given to you, you loose track of what is being processed at times

[somber crown]

No problem! I was confused when I was doing it too. Rare will have a different name as well. But it all works. Just that UI name is off

[safe halo]

I would really like for them to turn on fish all the way up to grandmaster. Just because.

[pliant crown]

anything on updates for crafting from livestream?

[gusty oracle]

no 😦 hopefully something will be said in the QA

[trail wyvern]

hey where do u guys go to find western timber ?

[somber crown]

Edges of the map mostly

[trail wyvern]

ok was just wondering, cause all i find are eastern lol

[somber crown]

It’s like taller reddish trees

[trail wyvern]

thank you!

[tribal lotus]

Western timber is south west on map next the mountains

[pliant crown]

also whoever asked the devs a quesiton about artisan being too fast are on copium lol it should not take longer to get out of level 1 crafted gear than it does to get to lvl 25 practically

[fallow apex]

I seem to be completely blind, or maybe, possibly there sin't any use.
But what use does Mulch have ingame as of yet?

[pliant crown]

at the start of phase 1 it used to be used with poop but then they changed it so i think right now it has no use

i imagine it might be used for more farming stuff later on when its fleshed out

[fallow apex]

Yeah, it seem to recall it had a use alongside Droppings, to craft Blackberry, Lettuce and Celery. but it's been removed. So I have a guess of it being use with other foods. But thats about it

[restive aspen]

Is weeping willow more rare than copper? Can't find any or at least would appreciate if some one could point me in a good direction to locate some

[fallow apex]

I have found some, on the smaller hills in the New Aela zone. Surrounded by Ash and Oak trees.

[pliant crown]

from what i have personally seen in game + a post on the artisan forums it is probably the hugest bottle neck by a large mile

there is maybe double digit weeping trees and its used in literally everything

so you will most likely still be making novice recipes to level and apprentice recipees to make the gear if someone needs it

[sly grove]

You have to select the higher tier in the drop down at the top

[rustic viper]

Awesome! Thanks!

[rustic viper]

Heya. Unfortunately with crafting things like thread, you are unable to use a drop down like that, which works in other processing. I did figure out how to do it though, you need to ONLY have the higher Tier ingredient in your inventory, that way it uses that. If you have multiple Tiers, there is no way to select the one you want.

[sly grove]

Strange as I have made hundreds of flax using the drop down

And linen thread

Maybe I only had one type in my inventory /shrug

[short vortex]

So I have lvl 11 lumbering, lvl 10 mining, and lvl 10 herbalism. I've been making logs and selling it to vendor and keeping the blue+ materials.

But so far, I can't actually figure out what I can make. All the recipes are kinda useless.

I have 10 stacks of spices and 10 stacks of sauce and no recipes to cook with

And all the potions that u can craft are sold from a vendor for even cheaper than the ingredients.

[sly grove]

I think they just made basic stuff to test systems and a lot of it is not finished

[short vortex]

so not worth try harding the crafting system yet i guess

[sly grove]

Only to learn hour it all works

How

[short vortex]

Like to get a apprentice axe you need bronze ingots, but to mine bronze ingots you need an apprentice pickaxe which also needs bronze ingots, which to make you need lvl 10 smithing or watever, and to get lvl 10 smithing, you need to grind that, and then to get 30+ copper. which is impossible.

and then... and then.... and then....

[sly grove]

Yup

[short vortex]

Kind of a nightmare

[sly grove]

Copper is not impossible the issue is the nodes can be whatever and nobody is farming basalt etc

[pliant crown]

yea basically for just gathering you have the crude ones, you can craft a more durable novice one, when you hit 10 you have to find the npc to advance to apprentice you then have access, by default, the basic tool but you do need a node to have a specific building to enable you to craft the tool, that basic recipe uses tier 1 novice resources and thats just only interacting with the gathering system

[pliant crown]

someone the other day mentioned it, and someone else posted a video of it from intrepid, where when you mine those rocks you get other ore resources in a smaller quantity i think would solve this the best for just recycling the nodes

[sly grove]

Not a bad idea

[pliant crown]

i think that needs to be implemented sooner than later to see how it works out for flushing the ore resources, it also would encourage a new player that if they cant find the copper node, for example, to just mine the rocks

[pliant crown]

just to add onto this its my current issue is there is a lottttttt of throttles on the artisan systems

i cant see a world where current crafters and gatherers want any node to go to war and destroy buildings that they use

[gusty oracle]

ill go hard on crafting in phase 2. i got metalworking and stonemason to lvl 10 but that will do for now

[pliant crown]

i will try harder in phase 2 with my current knowledge but if nothing changes i still still bitch about it everywhere

[sly grove]

I just got 10 in tailoring.. now to figure out if I can make anything

[pliant crown]

same actually this past weekend, and you need hunting+tanning, herbalism+textile thing, lumerjack+milling (all apprentice tier) to make anything, and novice farming for some of the materials

i believe some of the unique recipes that exist may use mining /alchemy stuff

[rustic viper]

You are right, I'm wrong. Yesterday when I was trying this, it wasn't working, but I just checked and I see exactly what you said 😦 Thanks!

[sly grove]

Fun

Np

[pliant crown]

i dont mind the hard mixture but i do mind that with how leveling it works you might actually still be better off crafting novice tailor stuff if you were aiming for journeyman (im not in this phase)

[pliant crown]

💀 i didnt know this since i usually only hold what i intended to process at the time in my inventory

[rustic viper]

Yeah, but I just checked again and either they changed something in the last patch or I was wrong all along, because now I do see a drop-down to let you choose. But, the way it works, everything you have will then need to be of that tier to make Cotton, for example. In making tools or gear, you can usually mix tiers

[sly grove]

It's different for the different stations

Scribe you select different ones

Farming no

Etc

I think it is final items vs components

If it's a final item you can mix.. if component no

Or if it has more than 1 quality ingredient maybe

[raw rivet]

any armour smiths tell me if the enchanted bronze armour is in to craft?

[steep current]

Will work on that in the future

[mortal dawn]

i havent had any luck myself, been trying to get these recipes

[grand oak]

Is there a place to look up vendor value so its clear to know which items are worth processing before selling at low levels?

[keen cliff]

same. got master fishing cert today, but sofar Lamprey is highest i've caught. Been fishing a ton to use the fish for fillets and raise cooking.

[tepid notch]

Farming droppings with a level 4 character is way easier to do than with a level 25 character. Huh.

It feels as though the drop rate for mobs that don't give experience is exponentially less. I get why they do it but it definitely makes leveling professions harder if you pass a specific "sweet spot" level

Am I wrong on that or have others seen something similar?

[sweet elk]

Has anyone tried to see if you lose learnt recipes if you downrank a crafting profession btw?

[elder peak]

anyone also curious about needed mats for eastern hemlock planks?

[mortal dawn]

can confirm you dont

[sweet elk]

just to clarify you dont lose them?

[mortal dawn]

correct

[sweet elk]

eugh guess im downranking and promoting until the end of the phase then lol

[mortal dawn]

its what ive been doing!

lol

[sweet elk]

are you also planning to have refining and crafting alts next phase 😄

[mortal dawn]

umm im not sure, i dont know if id have time for that lol

maybe phase 3

[sweet elk]

im not gonna level them, just refine in a city

craft in a city

gather on my main

[mortal dawn]

fair

[sweet elk]

it wont work i dont think at realease, cause youd have to have so many to get grandmaster multiple things, but for while were stuck at pretty much journeyman itll work

[mortal dawn]

unless mailing is in though, need to rely on others still

forgot no level req for them, so doing what u said is possible currently

maybe not once they are gated behind quests

[pliant crown]

its what i was thinking, with the current system you probably will just have an alt that does the 'processing' or along those lines

[sweet elk]

but if you imagine we need i dunno, say grandmaster, mining, metalwork, stonecutting, you cant easily do that yourself for armorsmithing

[mortal dawn]

yeah, and since lvl cap is still 25, journeyman all u need next phase

[sweet elk]

oh yeah itll work for phase 2

i meant release it wont

or youd really need an alt empire

[mortal dawn]

you could do it

but at that point building relations with others

is more effective

[sweet elk]

yeah i just want a bit more freedom to do it myself, not entirely be able to craft everything in the game at max 😄

as it is you still need a trusted friend to move stuff between your characters unless i missed something 🙂

[safe halo]

I've had master fishing since the first weekend. Just been waiting for new content

[keen cliff]

is that for everything but fishing? I'm 20% into level 30 and have master fishing as well

[mortal dawn]

well more so meant we cant use lvl 30 gear

or items, so there is reduced value to no value in trying to progress that high

[autumn wren]

where do i gotta go to find weeping willow? i have level 20 lumbering

[mortal dawn]

random amongst other trees

[autumn hamlet]

How much do the higher fish vender for since you guys got master?

[mortal dawn]

there is no go to spot

[autumn wren]

so its not easy to find like western larch nor eastern hemlock?

[tribal rain]

Anyone put together a spreadsheet for all the processing recipes yet?

[mortal dawn]

correct

[autumn wren]

Sadge that sucks

[sly grove]

Yes seen same thing

[tepid notch]

I made it a point to just get a few levels killing level 1 timid grems and got enough droppings (common to epic) to get me through the 1-10 of leatherworking and weaving

another 15 minutes of work on my second trip.

[short vortex]

nice

If I have legendary copper do I wait to turn it into legendary bronze ingots or should I just use it?

is there any point trying to make high quality low lvl gear?

[tribal rain]

High quality gathering tools?

[short vortex]

man chat gpt is saving my ass in this confusing world

[real coyote]

double copper

[sharp harness]

Where’s the mining foreman so that I can promote to apprentice

[hushed kayak]

Halcyon

[sharp harness]

Is there not just one in the world I know nodes can get them eventually

[sweet elk]

East of lionhold, there’s the various profession poi’s. You want the stone one

[real fractal]

I'm about to fuckin' cook

[cold gull]

if i found a rare bear, is it 100% success rate to make a rare bear mount?

[edgy crow]

I'm slightly worried your about to cook when you have that much poop

[ruby wasp]

Any hunters find a legendary carcass yet?

100% sure it doesnt exist

[sonic flint]

Where TF do I find copper lmfao

[rapid geyser]

I’m level 15 hunting and haven’t seen anything past epic

[ruby wasp]

What did you get epic from? We’ve only seen a epic wolf

Supposedly heroic+ was made possible yesterday

[rapid geyser]

Was a bear

If I remember correctly

[ruby wasp]

Literally spent 5 days grinding out a legendary sword just to be trolled by a fake item 😭

[rapid geyser]

lol

[sonic flint]

Where do you guys find good hunting spots? I've been trying to find a good spot

[sonic flint]

Also what lvl do you have to be to upgrade certs? and where?

[patent oasis]

10, these areas (depends on what cert you're leveling)

[sonic flint]

Thanks Vaspen

[obsidian spear]

to get the level after novice i got to be level 10 in tha tskill?

[lusty herald]

Yes, 10 for Apprentice and 20 for Journeyman

[rotund pewter]

Any good price listings for average price of items?

[spark niche]

some way of making lower level resources, and products contribute to higher level recipes and crafting parts etc might help with the vast quantity of items needed to level up and currently feeling wasted.

[spice wing]

Anyone know why Cooking is a processing profession and not a crafting profession?

[ruby wasp]

because u cookin

not processin

[hollow quest]

Has anyone else gotten a type metal fragment, as an example I received some Pristine Heroic Zinc fragments when smithing some heroic Zinc. I cannot find any data or anyone else who has something similar. Is this a bug?

[pearl crater]

WTB 2x Tin Ingots!

[cursive sphinx]

Any herbalist jouryman on Lotharia here? I am lvl 10, my progressbar is at the end of 10 and a small keylock there stops me from levling further. Tooltip says I need to see a herbalist Guild to get an upgraded sertificate. I dont know what a herbalist guild is? And I cananot find any herbalist trainer who will upgrade above novice 😦

[sharp lichen]

I'm trying to level up my processing skills but cant seem to do it at lion hold, do i have to venture out and head over to a different town to level that up?

[gusty oracle]

That's the neat part... you don't. It's all sitting In someone's storage

[cosmic pendant]

is there any guide to professions, its omegaconfussing, also where i can cook i legit couldn't find how and where to cook

[cursive sphinx]

I dont thin there is yet. Alpha2 is not focused on artisan i beleive?

[cosmic pendant]

i agree its not focused, but lmao. thx tho

[candid ridge]

there's cooking station NE of lionhold, or you can cook in node towns

[cursive sphinx]

Heres a guid, but it is not very detailed or helpful imo https://ashescodex.com/guides/beginners-guide-to-processing-in-ashes-of-creation

[cosmic pendant]

tyvm ❤️

[sonic flint]

What do you mean?

[gusty oracle]

Steven said in the stream there was plenty of copper being mined but because its difficult to trade untill player shops become avalible it makes it seem like there is no copper

[naive ocean]

can anyone confirm that common scroll and heroic scroll are meant to give the same enchantment bonus? or a bug/unimplemented function?

[cold gull]

do you have to wait 30 mins for processing, or can you go do something else and come back

[crude shoal]

You can go do something else

You can log off even

[copper dove]

Did anybody found this Recipe: Apprenitce Mining Pickaxe 3 ??

[cold gull]

thanks Oscar

[elder peak]

intended to need all same quality?

[crude shoal]

Basic ingredients don't impact the rarity

If you want to make epic slate clay, you need epic slate fragments and epic animal fat.

[zinc marlin]

hope not, same with magic powder for example, make it selectable like the basic incredients

[crude shoal]

You should be able to add higher rarity imo. But that isn't a thing yet.

[cursive sphinx]

Nagging you all again - surely someone has leveled herbalism to 10 and above?

[fresh bolt]

You need a journeyman level node building to level up

[covert raven]

You try demoting it and promoting it again? I’ve got lvl 20+ herb. I was able to lvl past 10 by promoting my cert at any t3 node built alchemist (farm building) or at the agriculture station east of Lionhold.

[wet quarry]

Does speed rating work for gathering professions? I have 359 but feel like Im not any faster then with my novice hatchet?

[cursive sphinx]

Will try that when I get home from work 😄

[woeful bronze]

You have the apprentice rank so you have been promoted, have you done any gathering since promotion?

[covert raven]

It has the lock on it still though. I’ve seen one other person who had a similar issue and was able to resolve it by demoting and promoting the gathering skill.

[crude shoal]

It works on breakpoints. Ar some point you will get to chop an adult in 9 'ticks' instead of 10

Not sure what the number is tho

[woeful bronze]

I've had several skills show the lock and it's disappeared the first thing I did that generates that xp

[whole minnow]

"yeah you will need a whole guild to farm for 1 person to level jewelery, impossible otherwise"
solo farmed nothing traded or bought.. just play the game and its doable

[grand mortar]

in general crafting professions are harder to level up because the massive amount of mats necessary, but it's certainly doable

[tribal pivot]

Can anyone tell me why the master mason does not give a promotion to an apprentice? I don't understand anything, lv 16, stone processing 10+, the dialogue does not end correctly. The rest of the gathering professions have raised the level normally.

[gusty oracle]

It's just the ore that's slowing everyone down. You need 2k copper or zinc to lvl jewlcrafting same with armor Smith.

[wet quarry]

Got it, thanks!

[whole minnow]

yeah it is a lot of mats but the fact that you can use both zinc frags and copper frags to lvl it its not that bad , whats bad is the waiting time on the raw mats making them into fragments. so much time just waiting on that to start craft

[plain steppe]

is it just me or does the crafting system suck?

like it seems if you just group and level at monster packs and bosses that drop gear u want, its faster exp AND gear

you can spend 10 hours working on a profession at level 8 and get nowhere, meanwhile your friend is now level 12 and has decked out gear

[plain steppe]

its not that its doable, its that its a waste of time when you could be mob grinding for exp AND gear MUCH FASTER

"crafters make the best stuff" doesnt matter when people are outleveling what can be crafted

[whole minnow]

show me the gear you have thats ebtter than a lvl 10 legendary crafted item.. lvl 10 legeandary and prob epic is equal or better than what ever junk rare/heroic gear u loot at lvl 25

[deft sorrel]

I believe professions should be able to keep up once towns can’t become tier 3 in an hour

As towns decide on how high level mobs are correct?

[plain steppe]

wont that be even worse? Even more reason to mob grind?

[gusty oracle]

Hopefully with having player shops we should get abit more trade happening.
I was disappointed in the livestream since Steven didn't say anything about crafting

[deft sorrel]

I found out yesterday a guildie had a couple thousand copper stashed away 😭

[plain steppe]

yeah but then why not just mob gring/group farm your way to level 25, getting all the gear and exp u need along the way, plus cash.... then go buy some legendary shit from some dumb noob whos been gathering stuff, is only level 12 and has the same hours as you but its all in chopping trees

[plain steppe]

same, i was hoping for some announcements about how they are going to fix the crafting system

[gusty oracle]

I had about 400 zinc and 400 copper I donated to a random that was trying to lvl armour Smith since I'm not going to get enough to lvl it befor phase 2

[deft sorrel]

Thought they were going to lower gear drops, or is that a misconception on my part

[plain steppe]

i would love that, where di you hear that?

[gusty oracle]

Skill trees, better ui, item breakdown, repair kit, ingredient experimentation... and a load more stuff

[plain steppe]

honestly i dont think monsters should drop items at all

[deft sorrel]

Some of my guild mates were speaking about it

[gusty oracle]

Gear drops will probably stay but it's usually a low roll on stats vs crafted gear

[deft sorrel]

I wish monsters all dropped something, it doesn’t make sense for a enemy to drop nothing give us like a piece of useless cloth or fur worth one copper or something

[plain steppe]

well it seems the way they went was different mob packs drop different things, so you farm the type that you need the thing

[deft sorrel]

I know that, but you can have periods of time when you get nothing to drop for you and it’s kinda weird.

This is speaking of solo play btw

[plain steppe]

do you think the UI includes more information in game about how crafting works? Running around for hours just to see what can be made somewhere is lame as fuck imo

[plain steppe]

thats happened to me too... I get told the best way to get items is mob grind, i go mob grind, get no items or anything for hours...

Whatever it is, it would just be nice to know what is going on. I'm not sure if its JUST because its an alpha 2 stage or making things difficult to learn is part of their game design

[trim oasis]

I think it easier if u got a help from your guild

Dont be shy and ask for help

[whole minnow]

yeah i guess someone will buy these from me , since i was the dumb noob who only been mining mainly and im lvl 11.
you know it all gets reset very soon right? like leveling has more use than learning artisan

[trim oasis]

One round of mining with ur guild and u set up for lvl up. Or ask the mats if someone in your guild got some

[plain steppe]

well i just did both paths, the group mob grind path and the artisan path... wasted a ton of time on the artisan path, stuck at level 8 and just got my lumberjacking to apprentice after like 20 hours.

[plain steppe]

i dont have a guild, im purposefully playing solo to make sure that the experience is good enough

if this game forces people to join guilds or spam global chat in order to find out basic information about the game, it aint goign to have a healthy player base

[grand mortar]

this implies that everyone's objective is to get to a higher level, but in this type of game your objectives are up to you
the "dumb noobs" who are focusing on artisan professions probably enjoy the crafting and trading more than grinding and fighting, it's just a matter of playstyle

[plain steppe]

fair enough

[plain steppe]

i guess the gathering, crafting, and caravan systems just arent for me then

[grand mortar]

maybe, if you have the most fun fighting and pvp'ing, crafting just seems like a slower way to get the items so you can fight

[plain steppe]

thats basically it yeah

[grand mortar]

i enjoy the most taking artisan and explorer comissions and go around the map seeing locations, gathering mats and sometimes helping players out

[plain steppe]

i just made a new char to see what it would be like to go solo crafter and try and make my own stuff rather than mob grind in groups for named bosses and specific gear upgrades... it was absolutely brutal

thats why im bitching so much... the system sucks balls from that perspective. Nothing I could craft was ever useful. All my glint into lumbermilling the wood and then making boxes and caravan shit to upgrade my carpentry? completely useless

I spent more time farming mobs for glint to pay for the processing/carpentry then i ever got for anything

and all the shit i made was trash and useless

[grand mortar]

yeah and the game is also balanced around groups, so the professions also are way harder if you try to do them by yourself

[plain steppe]

bunch of oak boxes

[grand mortar]

lmao

[plain steppe]

i hate that honestly... What it means is, unless your group is on, you are useless

id rather be able to play with people in the world than some specific group that has to be married to each other

i like PUGs and randoms

grouping up with whoever is online

or doing solo shit

[grand mortar]

that's fair, the focus on groups is by design with ashes of creation

[plain steppe]

gathering is a solo activitely mostly

so i thought this might be a nice path still to find some fun way forward

[grand mortar]

i believe it's possible to create a mega guild of vagrants, a guild without strong rules but still a group of people that you can have preferential trade and parties

[plain steppe]

i just dont like that you have to join a guild to trade with when id rather have a real economy and trade with the people in the game

this whole "guild centric" focus i think will ruin the game for people like me

[grand mortar]

you don't have to join a guild to trade, the game will have other types of groups you can be a part in, be it node citizens, the religion you'll be a part of and so on

but even then you can still be by yourself and accept that you'll have a harder time trying to do certain things

[plain steppe]

well the new trading stuff they are talking about might help... shrug

[grand mortar]

yeah im excited for that

[calm spoke]

Does anyone know how the clothing buffs work for processing artisanship

Do you need to wear them when you start the process, the whole time, or when you accept the items?

[covert raven]

When you start

[grand mortar]

I've been told it's when you claim the items

[plain steppe]

well that explains why i thought it never worked

[calm spoke]

Uh oh

Two different answers 😂

[grand mortar]

yikes

[plain steppe]

these are the types of things i wish the game told us, that make me frustrated...

[covert raven]

As someone who only equips it at the start, I can say I’ve personally seen yields of 103 on batches of 100 as well as rarity increases and xp benefits.

[grand mortar]

yeah, at times like this remember that it's an alpha

[plain steppe]

well thats why i keep complaining... how much of this is "because its an alpha" and how much is "by design"?

[plain steppe]

like you cant see what is built from an apprentice carpentry station.. you gotta run across the map and look. I find that disrespectful of the players time

I get that many things are going to use travel time as part of game design., But finding out basic game information isnt one of them

[grand mortar]

I believe it's just because it's an alpha rn. Last week the page for your professions only included what level your professions were at, yesterday they updated it to also show all the possible tools for each profession and what are the mats necessary for each one

this type of stuff is polish

remember we are here to test ashes of creation not play it

[plain steppe]

well part of testing is complaining about what bothers us imo

[grand mortar]

there is a lot of lack of information about systems in the game

[grand mortar]

absolutely

[plain steppe]

and also saying what parts we really like

[stark smelt]

does leveling up hunting increase drop chance of blue and up on tier 1's?

[plain steppe]

i want this game to be successful too

[grand mortar]

i'll test this today as well

[covert raven]

There’s too many systems that are gradually being iterated on. They have to know the current gathering and crafting systems aren’t optimal.

While I’ll /bug obvious things, I don’t want to burn myself out providing feedback at this early stage unless things are specifically asked about.

[grand mortar]

same, for little things like lack of information in the crafting system I've just accepted that it isn't a bug just it hasn't been worked on for now

[plain steppe]

I get that they may not want to have UI that provides information that is constantly changing too.. Like they may want to wait until it is more settled

[grand mortar]

yeah

[covert raven]

If it’s something I care deeply about, I’ll make a forum post after reading up on others experiences to try to include as much info as possible.

[delicate hill]

Does anyone have a spreadsheet of all the crafting recipies and thier components/quantities?

[plain steppe]

i just hope that it isnt a design philosophy to make the game totally low information that only elite guilds "discovered" and the rest of the player base is in the dark. Especially with very basic elements of the game.

We should easily be able to view the professions and plan our path from a UI and then travel to actually go do the work.

[covert raven]

I use the ashes codex site periodically. Not sure i’d want to try to keep a spreadsheet up to date.

[delicate hill]

I want to create/obtain a base spreadsheet for now, I know there are ways to import from APIs and such, though that is a bit beyond me at the moment. Im working to learn it, but having a starting point would be helpful

[ember ivy]

Question, anyone know where to get a Apprentice Pickaxe recipe with the quality stat?
Been looking around and can't seem to locate it on my server. I have the recipe for the standard one and the eastern hemlock. But can't track down this one. lvl 30 miner... and really would like that pickaxe.

https://ashescodex.com/db/item/Gear_Artisan_Mining_Tool_Pickaxe_T2_2

[plain steppe]

another thing about the crafting system i dont like, is how many useless items we need to make

like 100 oak boxes... is that any good at all?

[elder peak]

pylons are not tradeable is intended?

[stark smelt]

does anyone know if leveling up to tier 2 hunting increases drop rate of blue and above carcasses on tier 1's?

[ember ivy]

You can get rarity increase on artisan items that are higher.
Ie - Hunter Pants gives that stat at apprentice.

[stark smelt]

Thanks

[ember ivy]

I noticed a HUGE difference when I started stacking rarity.

[plain steppe]

yeah but the thing is, how many hours did you put in for those? In the actual game, people arent capped at 25, theya re capped at 50. So by the time you made that and are still level 11, the other players arent just 25, they are much higher and that stuff is still obsolete.

[edgy quest]

Any Artisans looking for a guild with processors and gatherers?

[deft sorrel]

Click P and it will show you every recipe you have unlocked under each profession

[delicate hill]

Yes, however, I am trying to create a spreadsheet with said information. I have started manually entering information from ashescodex, but it is quite... tedious.

[deft sorrel]

Ah, yeah I don’t know anyone who’s took the time to do so, as it’s on the codex, best of luck!

[sly grove]

I saw this as well. I wonder if you need a blue scroll in order to enchant a blue item, etc Can you use more than one scroll to go above +1?

[gusty oracle]

Does anyone know if resource quantity stat does anything?

[covert raven]

Before I had the stat, adult trees would give 5. With it, sometimes I get 6.

Similarly, herbs would always give 3. Sometimes I get 4 with the stat.

[gusty oracle]

Probably not worth wasting a load of legendary resources to make a better pick

[covert raven]

It all gets wiped in a few weeks. Play around, learn, /bug, and give feedback on the forums.

I generally encourage people to use white mats on making a novice tool, and use their better stuff on apprentice+ tools

[gusty oracle]

Ye iv allready got a heroic pick I was debating on if I should make a legendary but I'll use that on something els

[covert raven]

I wonder if you demote from apprentice, does it destroy your apprentice tool? I’ll try to test that out closer to dec20.

[whole minnow]

yeah but you are talking about something in the future right?
i did this now so i dont have to do it after server wipe and on launch. wasnt even to craft items, i did this to learn what to save and what to vendor.
and how many hours i did to craft these? 100% of the total time servers been up and i could log in i have been mining

after wipe and launch im leveling to max first then starting artisan lol

[ember ivy]

I plan ot do the same SWE

[whole minnow]

its trolling urself to run around low lvl and farm stuff, just makes u not able to kill mobs that block stuff

[ember ivy]

Although I do have a bad artisan / gathering addiciton... that Legendary Dopamine drop kick gets me

[tame mortar]

it does not, I just tried it

[ember ivy]

I did 90% of my mining once I got above 20

[deep wolf]

Yea I can’t see not leveling to 20 before going hard to gather. Too limiting otherwise and want to level while everyone else is so more groups to play with.

[covert raven]

Thanks - Hope you /bug that. Not sure how they should fix it, but could be abused.

[ember ivy]

I mean you can get to lvl 20 in a day if you have a static.

[whole minnow]

yeah its nice when u get those high tier items from gathering.. no point to level max now with some weeks left imo. there probably will be guides to use for artisan later but as of now there aint so its all about just learning as you go atm

[covert raven]

Oh nice, so it’s got the red x ❌

Does it still let you gather?

[ember ivy]

I'm already 30 mining and a bunch of stuff leveled.. Just wanted to learn the in's and out's of it before 20th

[tame mortar]

yea, I would think you can never go lower then the tool you start with

[ember ivy]

The min max life lol

[covert raven]

I’d hope it doesn’t let you gather with it… but that creates an issue with mining/jacking where you couldn’t gather the tools to make a new novice pick… unless you could still go back to Lionhold to make shoddy

[tame mortar]

I don't see the issue. Sure we are limited to artisan now, later on people won't care if everyone can collect copper or pet a crow

[whole minnow]

yeah same here, i noticed already that u cant be a gatherer and a crafter on the same char cuz of the artisan skill caps , had to de-mote one skill to unlock jewelery smh.
gonna need 1 gathering alt and others the crafters

[ember ivy]

Im mostly processing and gathering atm.. Feeding another friend materials.

Dabbled in Jewelcrafting.

[covert raven]

No issue? Level up hunting, make a monster bow… demote it. Level up mining… make a monster pick… demote it… then run around gathering with crazy high gather stats but no investment in the profession?

[ember ivy]

the amount of Rubys i've dumped in there.. is insane lol

[tame mortar]

the tool bonus does not work, clearly the x shows its intended not to work

[ember ivy]

I noticed a Huge differnce in Rare+ materials when I started stacking tool bonuses

[covert raven]

I see the x. Do the stat bonuses show up in the artisan gather stats page?

[ember ivy]

My run this morning... in a hour.

[tame mortar]

it does not

[covert raven]

Oh good. Nice work intrepid.

[ember ivy]

Well, that's good to know

[covert raven]

Wait, it does show up in there…

[tame mortar]

If people want to switch around certificates early on it matters very little

actually, you are right, I'll bug report that

I still think that the x is meant for it to not work

[covert raven]

Yeah, this is the bug. If you demoted it, those buffs from your artisan tool shouldn’t get pushed to your artisan stats.

[south raptor]

Is there a chart/graphic showing the relationship between the artisan classes? As in, which gathering classes feed into which processing, and which of these into crafting?

[ember ivy]

Best i've used is the codex.

[stiff plaza]

I was actually thinking about doing a website about it

[ember ivy]

everything is pretty... interdependent.

[tame mortar]

Bug reported it, good catch

[south raptor]

Really not liking the codex atm. It's barebones at best

[ember ivy]

I do all my recipies myself.

and dependicies

[stiff plaza]

Do you know if someone has done data mining for Ashes?

[covert raven]

I posted it over in bugs for you as well. #alpha-two-bugs-issues-old message thanks for testing it

[stiff plaza]

It would be nice to use that data to create a good website to get this

(Or if it's even permitted)

[maiden turtle]

Ashescodex is datamining

[tame mortar]

if it works with tools, it likely works with clothing too, need someone to test that

[covert raven]

I demoted weaving with the shirt equipped, and it stayed equipped with the x… but I didn’t think to check the gather stats page.

Less of an issue with the clothing, since it gets changed so often

[south raptor]

Do you get more exp for crafting with higher quality materials?

[plain steppe]

yeah man thats basically part of the excersize i went through and realized it makes more sense to level and get basic gear from drops and then go backwards to do crafting or just buy from people at that point.

[whole minnow]

no the rarity of the mats does not change the exp gained

[south raptor]

Cool, ty 😄

[whole minnow]

yeah they should probably buff the exp from gathering or make it so the tools with artisan exp buffs apply to character level exp as well.
is it is now u get like no character level progress from gathering even from the crafted mats either

but also i doubt gathering is ment to be a leveling way

[plain steppe]

yeah and most of the crafted stuff is useless and takes money to make, like processing, and then crafting carpentry boxes and caravan shit

by the time you get your carpentry to 10, most of the stuff you made is junk and cost alot of money

[whole minnow]

its pretty rough atm with the low tier nodes and bank space as well. even if you try to save up stuff u end up having to sell the low tier stuff

with bigger storages at least u could store shit , now you cant really

[plain steppe]

right i ran into that problem by trying to level up professions before level 10 and becoming a citizen

i was level 8 trying to see if i could farm the stuff for level 10 items, was a total pain in the ass

ran out of money basically

tried to run a caravan, got killed on the caravan because you can target the driver apparently

or hit him with aoes or something

[gusty oracle]

Report the bug

I have not tried running caravans yet but iv seen a few destroyed

[trim oasis]

what ur pickaxe?

[ember ivy]

Just a heroic apprentice

[trim oasis]

nice

[ember ivy]

I really want the pickaxe that has quality.. but apparently it's not in the game

[fresh agate]

hey there. i will pick up the crafting now after getting a general idea of combat. i was wondering... i can find enchanting charms and enchanting scrolls. but for what purpose? i cant find any station to enchant anything. do i miss something?

[trim oasis]

in any town u got 1 station

[finite sable]

at what level can you upgrade to apprencice harvesting?

[grand mortar]

10

I don't know if everyone but me knew this, but for processing you only need to wear clothes when putting in the order

[gusty oracle]

I just assumed the xp thing didn't work. I'll test more later

[deft sorrel]

You people are angering me by not just wearing the clothes when you’d normally gain the experience.

Just keep your clothing on

[agile lintel]

anyone know what are "pristine" frags? got heroic pristine zinc frags

[lethal sonnet]

how do i upgrade my caravan w the parts i got

[deft sorrel]

Just click on them, if they don’t exchange, relog

[lethal sonnet]

Noithiiing happened

[deft sorrel]

Are the main parts in your node inventory?

[lethal sonnet]

Node inven??

[deft sorrel]

The storage

[pliant crown]

omg i forgot to put part of my complaints about the way they are handling novice crafting about storage

i'd be better off making a new forum post but thats such a problem

also you need [since material type storage doesnt work] about 4 full storages of copper to level arcane engineering/weaponsmith, what you had done with jewlery was 4 full storages combined of copper and zinc

[lethal sonnet]

^

[pliant crown]

also this is a big thing i dislike about the current crafting is you make 200-300 items to level the profession, which floods the market if you are a crafter

so you could only ever sell rare+ for the most part everything else is at a loss

double also a stack(20) of novice gatherables = 1 silver, a stack of apprentice mats =10 silver, anyone know what journeyman mats sell for

is it 1 stack for 1 gold?

[lethal sonnet]

See v ideo @deft sorrel ive tried everything

[pliant crown]

looks like it wants to fight you on the video upload

[deft sorrel]

When I was having an issue with putting caravan parts on it was one of two issues, 1 I forgot commodities inside of my caravan, if they’re invisible buy a new caravan or relog, 2 I didn’t have the parts in my node storage

[lethal sonnet]

what is yo ur node storage

the actually storage there right

even when i do that i cant put the p arts on

[deft sorrel]

Yes

[vital belfry]

anyone know where the guy who can upgrade hunting certification is located?

[deft sorrel]

Ask in your realms chat

[lethal sonnet]

wtf the game just ate all the carriage upgrades

im so cojnfused

nvm iit put them on

so weird

[plain steppe]

it would be nice if they actually vendored for a profit after doing each stage of processing and carpentry

rather than a cost

like some people say "its a good thing that crafting sux, then most people dont want to do it and i can have all the exclusive selling shit to myself"

but when a core part of the game sux to interract with, its not healthy for the player base... People want to play a game to have fun

[pliant crown]

i agree

[plain steppe]

so it should be a pleasure to interract with gathering, processing and crafting at every stage of the game, especially at the start

[pliant crown]

people being like 'well i like it this way' im like im sure you do but if the person who cant spend 50+hrs a week on the game cant make any advancement in it its just not good

but i think it just feels bad anyway lol

its kinda a waste of time like yall mentioned, there is currently very very little reason to level crafting instead of just leveling

when you can hit current cap faster than someone can get out of novice tier gear in crafting its not balanced right

also since all the crafting is intertwined i dont really get "excited" when i get legendary mats its currently either useless cause then that means i somehow have to find the rest of the mats legendary

or just try to sell it which is lame

[plain steppe]

Yeah this is exactly how I feel right now.

[deep wolf]

I like it because it requires a full guild to commit for the pay off late game. But I can understand why others don’t like that. Whether that’s because it is only useful late game or because it requires so much support at the start.

[plain steppe]

Yeah that’s why. They said “crafters make the best shit”. But it looks like that’s all they are good for really.

And if you don’t need the best shit to progress then who cares.

[pliant crown]

no matter how you design a game, guilds will always be fast, its a matter of making it so you can see progress without it

cause otherwise just say the games made for zerg concepts

[deep wolf]

It’s just hard to be able to have crafting make worthwhile shit at same pace as leveling without throttling leveling, making crafting super easy to level, or removing almost all drops.

[pliant crown]

the armor crafting professions are on the closer to a right balance side of things right now imo

all the other crafting professions are way off

[deep wolf]

Oh yea. Arcane and weapon need rebalancing. Jewelry a little less rubies.

Carpentry can be easy just through boxes probably.

[pliant crown]

i dont know the numbers for sure but i heard it was like 3-4k wood

but this is just for lvl 1-10

[deep wolf]

I doubt that but even so it’s everywhere.

[pliant crown]

this isnt for the time where you'll actually be in the gear for a while

also if you have looked at apprentice crafting i think most professions atm will continue to make novice items

[deep wolf]

Rare and epic level 10 gear is close to on par with 20 drops.

[pliant crown]

not quite

so sanctus lvl 1 weapons can match the first lvl 10 tier item sorta

if you do copper it does not compete with lvl 10 gear for the most part

once you get to mid grade or upper grade lvl 10 gear novice gear is basically obsolete

[deep wolf]

Not talking novice I said lvl 10

So apprentice gear is useable. But yea novice is pretty shit and wouldn’t waste good mats on except for harvesting tools

[pliant crown]

thats what im saying

lvl 1 to 10 shouldnt be this extreme

thats supposed to get you to see what you might like

[deep wolf]

I could get on board with that.

[pliant crown]

theres only 1 armor for each weight tier for lvl 1-10

and 2 weapon tiers

[deep wolf]

Probably could be buffed by 50% and still be under lvl 10 gear

[pliant crown]

i'd rather they put more ephasis on the node system for progression locking than the individual crafting person

also unique recipes for the actual best gear