alpha-two-artisan-chat

[woeful kestrel]

There does seem to be some node 'preference' though, so you're more likely to find it running around the nodes. For instance: West side of Lionhold has a lot of Basalt, whereas the Eastern side is more populated with Granite

[left parrot]

Copper is rare but you can find it more in my experience around rivers and rocky areas on the western side of the map

[neon briar]

Where do I find recipes to increase caravan height and caravan width ?

[woeful kestrel]

No such thing atm. Higher quality will do that for now

[wet swift]

the reason why copper & zinc are so rare is because 2/3 of the maps node spawns are being filled by ores that require journeyman & apprentice tier mining to be gathered.

this needs to be fixed before phase 2, the types of gatherables should be somewhat related to the level of enemies in the area or just mode all the level 20+ nodes outside of the riverlands

this seems like a easy fix to me

[woeful kestrel]

Node and mob level have no reference to each other. Most MMOs will keep things the same lvl in an area, but Ashes's has said that's not the intention. Some nodes will be randomized.

[wet swift]

maybe i didn't explain this well or you're misundertanding. for example: the area around citadel of steel bloom should have more level ~10-20 gathering nodes spawn possibilities compared to the area around lionshold. does that make more sense?

[neon briar]

Higher quality didn’t increase the height. Just the health. And no chassis recipe so I can’t test that.

I was told they are selling in a node with the different types so they might just not have the recipes yet

[deep wolf]

It’s just that everyone needs copper so highly farmed. I’d rather higher respawn rates on the lower quality nodes

Running around this morning was much better but that’s because wasn’t picked clean

Respawn rates would hopefully be a quicker fix than having to add or remove resource nodes assuming they don’t want to rebalance them currently.

[tribal lotus]

Approximately how many animals do you need to train to get level 10 in animal husbandry?

[cunning bolt]

hey just quickly asking, does rarity of fuel matter?

[woeful kestrel]

Nope.

[cunning bolt]

ok, thats good to hear

[woeful kestrel]

I have trained 1 animal (no buffs, clothes, etc...) You can probably estimate based on that a bit.

[woeful kestrel]

Wood is usually the best (most economical). Ash is 8. Oak is 10. Western larch is 25. Flowers are 1 for the quick recipes.

[cunning bolt]

mhm, its quick and easy to just chop a little wood

[woeful kestrel]

Yeah....just point and laugh 🤣

[cunning bolt]

?

hey so is it you can only increase your artisan profession in one thing or is it one per gather, processing, crafting?

[woeful kestrel]

Out of all the proffesions (22 of them) you can advance 5 to apprentice, 3 to Journeyman and 2 to master 🙂

[cunning bolt]

oh! nice ty ty

[woeful kestrel]

No distinction between gathering, processing or crafting in those limits

[cunning bolt]

sorry for all these newbie questions, I am just rly interested in the artisan part of the game

[woeful kestrel]

Feel free to ask as many questions as you like. I will answer all I can

[torn fiber]

About 8% per train as you get higher

[woeful kestrel]

With or without gear boosts?

[torn fiber]

With

[woeful kestrel]

Cool

[low prairie]

For my farmers out there. Confirm that we can't make T2 textiles like moonbell and bluebell?

Or is that a recipe drop.

Shouldn't be a drop, cause then we would need seeds too from a vendor... nvm. We just don't get t2 textiles from farming unlike cotton and flax.

[inner gulch]

midnight mares arent spawning at night anymore at deregal?

[wet swift]

the issue is that you will just get spawns filled quicker with things you can't gather until apprentive and journeyman

every weekend i have seen more and more ore nodes filled with apprentice/journeyman required mining that just sit there and accumulat because nobody can get it yet... just another silly choke for a starting server

[inner gulch]

anyone been able to make legendary tier apprentice tools yet?

got some legenary pieces to try for one

[low prairie]

Missing a few. Its 5 apprentice. 4 journeyman. 3 master. 2 GM.

Idk if you can have 3 master and 2 GM at the same time. Or if it means only 1 master and 2 GM. Since technically it's 3 masters+

[woeful kestrel]

Good point. You'd have to make one a GM before being able to promote a different master if this was the case. I'm thinking you're probably right and that 2 of your masters can go to GM

[low prairie]

So in the end. You're left with 1 Apprentice, 1 Journeymen, 1 Master, 2 Grand Master artisans of the 22.

I think on the wiki it confirms it also with a source.

[woeful kestrel]

Makes sense

[low prairie]

Only being able to master+ 3/22. Sheesh.

Well that's a social game for ya.

[woeful kestrel]

I'm an alt-oholic, so I'll make a few extra here and there.

[low prairie]

That's gonna be some time brother. I pray for you. I can't even make alts on OSRS.

[jolly spindle]

Has anyone seen the crafting item “Cairns tombstone” in game yet?

[deep wolf]

I stated increasing the spawns of lower level nodes. Not every node. Even if it was every node more spawns would still be better than current. My ideas was a simple solution with minimal dev time. I’m not saying it’s the best solution.

[wet swift]

the issue is that the spawns are shared, every possible ore node can spawn as anything so you end up inevitably with higher tier that can't begathered regardless

you need nodes that simply CAN'T be spawned as tier 2-3

[native trail]

im a little confused on how to make money. I could make like a hundred mana salves but I don't really know why I should outside of personal use or spamming for hours that I have them to sell. Am I missin something?

[wet swift]

the economy aspect and lot of artisan things are incomplete

[native trail]

Ahhh fair. I was like, so far this is just a huge gold sink lol

well or helping the node

[spiral field]

While I do agree that the T2 nodes replacing the T1 nodes is painful, it should self correct eventually. Now that people are hitting T2 mining, they will mine those nodes and then give them a chance at respawning Copper/Zinc

[wide portal]

i believe they said player stalls will come with phase 2 right? that means your mana salves can be bought by other players from your stall while you afk watching the new narc upload

[spiral field]

I think the bigger issue is no one mining the Granite/Basalt because they don't want it for anything or need it in small amounts other than for town building.

[fluid saffron]

will using a common "Essence Crystal" (something you can buy from a vendor) mean the thing I craft will be common, even if everything else is rare?

[woeful kestrel]

A lot of the money for crafters atm is tied to the caravan system

[deep wolf]

Are they shared? I have a copper spawns I always check

To me it seems like they are set but I’m newer

[woeful kestrel]

Most are randomized

Though I believe there is a weighted system in place for spawn rates based on location

[deep wolf]

Ok. Anecdotally seemed pretty set to me because I have spots I always check and have been same.

[wet swift]

it is some what set based on region/area it seems. like copper more often near water and trees

but i've also seen copper in other spots where i usually only see basalt

so its worthwhile to mine those basalts to open the spawns, but for some reason its almost always basalt that will respawn there. and sometimes the T3 mats which nobody can gather

[native trail]

where do you find Zinc? need me some of that

[deep wolf]

Eh I hit basalt and granite to level mining anyways.

Can just toss it or leave it on ground.

[wet swift]

it is just time consuming to do that and then you may not even be getting the respawn

perhaps adding a "rare proc" gather on basalt/granite that provides copper or zinc

and similar things for higher tiers

incentivizes gathering those even if you don't need them and opens spawns

my mining is almost 20 already, its not worth my time to hit those trash ores at the moment

meanwhile, i still am nowhere close to having copper to get the crafting level i want

[wet swift]

A better solution that I just thought of would also be to drastically decrease xp requirements on artisan professions to hit 10 and scale it more from then on.

[main river]

Would be nice to focus some testing this weekend on crafting, but due to the super scarcity of zinc and copper it's been dead slow.

Could make some of those higher tier mats that nobody farms and even stone nodes respawn after a few hours of nobody farming. And let them respawn randomly.

Might be a good temp fix.

[swift crest]

they give more gathering xp based on the rarity. should do the same for processing/crafting, but they don't

[nova remnant]

Are there any websites that list all of the crafting options? I want to click 'Arcane Engineering' and see everything it can craft at what levels for example. Or is Ashes Codex our only option currently?

[somber crown]

We finally got a wood shop on our server 10mins before server shutdown. Now time to figure out where all that willow at

[inner gulch]

caravans

[native trail]

Do you just always make money by doing caravans? Is it only certain things that you transport or can it be anything?

[livid cove]

does anyone know where to get recipes for Caravan parts? chassis, wheels, etc.

[summer elk]

aprentice level carpentry station in a node that built it, you have them automatically unlocked there. Novice level only has chassis

[stoic verge]

is there a way to get cotton thread or cotton seeds so I can make the thread ??

[wet swift]

i was able to get quite a bit more zinc than copper. i think probably between 600-700 zinc and 300-400 copper

which is still nowhere near enough as a single player for 4 weekends. it takes roughly ~2000 copper to get any crafting profession that uses copper (weapon, arcane engineering, etc) to level 10

when player stalls or auction houses come into play this may change things significantly but given the current game loop, it takes way too long to hit 10 for crafting.

by the time any things can be crafted the average players gear will far outpace the level 10 craftables, especially given that you require the node buildings to craft

[swift crest]

you can lower it to 1700 with an epic novice artisan shirt +3

[unborn pond]

You can buy cotton seeds, then you need to make a sort of compost which I believe is water and animal poop, maybe something like daffodil also and there you go cotton

[wet swift]

i thought about that as well, but its difficult to even gather enough materials before i can craft that epic shirt and enchant it

that is also still delaying your ability to level

the pace is just not in line with the leveling speed from grinding mobs and gearing from mob drops

[swift crest]

yeah definitely

[unborn pond]

Everything is going to be group or guild effort and take a lot longer than conventional quick fix and bored mmo's

[swift crest]

Doesn't help that scrolls seem to be not functioning

And school of construction building xp bonus to crafting isn't working either

[wet swift]

i get that, and i agree with it from a design perspective. but level 10 is not even close to anything mid or end game, it should get exponentially harder as you go not start off incredibly difficult

by the time people are crafting decent level 10 weapons it will only be used for alts

which seems really silly

same with level 20 crafts

maybe by 30 and on it will be used by casual players

[unborn pond]

there are some artisan focused guilds, they are focusing gather/craft over level

some are focusing caravans for gold., to buy crafted gear

others push ahead with lvl

[wet swift]

once you get level cap for phase1-3 (25) a guild focused on leveling will be able to outpace any guild that started with crafting

and they will have better gear to start with for doing caravans safer etc

it is just not balanced well in any regard for artisan vs grinding

[unborn pond]

yes but then the crafting guild should not mind that too much they are doing what they enjoy

[wet swift]

of course, i'm not saying people shouldn't enjoy the way they play

[unborn pond]

and will get there eventually

[wet swift]

i'm saying there should be greater balance and reward for life skillers given how bad it is for them

my suggestions were: drastically decreasing the XP required to hit level 10 (apprentice tier) or increasing some of the spawn rates for things like copper vs the t2/t3 mats that can't be gathered by majority of people

reducing the xp req seems like a better idea given that you can fine tune the quantity of mats afterwards

[unborn pond]

regarding copper it is definately in game, mined 11 one after the other yesterday,

seems maybe they have a basalt, ruby, granite and copper shared spawn

[wet swift]

yes, it is in game. i mined hundreds and i was able to get to level 23 in a shorter period of time than i mined to get all of that copper and zinc lol

[swift crest]

I've collected 600 copper 1000 zinc alone. it's there.

[unborn pond]

hit 20 on cleric, apprentice mining, novice 9 lumber, 7 hunter, 6 herbs, and a 9 ranger and 8 mage

[wet swift]

i'm 23 cleric, 17 mining, 10 lumber, 10 herb, hunting

[swift crest]

they just need to give more xp for crafting rare+ items

[wet swift]

yes, this would help so much

[unborn pond]

but if its guild effort with multiple gathering then crafting should be easier

and then everyone who contributes benefits from crafters

[wet swift]

also remember it takes copper/zinc to build node stations

there just simply isn't enough copper and zinc, the majority of people testing aren't evne trying to push their crafting to 10

imagine when more players are

there is just not enough of the resources for the number of players

given the xp requirements

[unborn pond]

so don't you have a guild that is feeding you mats to lvl crafting

no one is going to be able to lvl char, gathering and crafting all at once solo

[swift crest]

that should def be updated

[wet swift]

yeah, you really ramp up after 10 on gathering, especially mining. i noticed the same thing getting hundreds per gather

[ashen lodge]

Can you trade raw ore ?

[wet swift]

my guild has abunch fo copper as well, but between 7 of us not enough for 1 person to hit 10 on a crafting profession lol

[wet swift]

yes

they also need to allow crafting quantity to be set, having to spam click adding materials for each 1 craft is a carpal tunnel simulator

[swift crest]

for WS/AE, 50xp rating shirt increased XP by 25. was getting 185 per craft. if scrolls were working you could get 33 more per. makes the total under 1500. then split between copper/zinc recipes 750 each is.... maybe doable.

[wet swift]

that is still too much for level 10 imo, would make sense for it to take that long for level 20

[stoic verge]

I will look again next weekend -- but no vender I saw had cotton - only flax seeds. Thanks reply

[unborn pond]

I have seen them, but I was focusing on flax at the time. Try the actual farming vendor maybe, the one where you level up to apprentice. Maybe there

[cyan lion]

Cotton seeds are only sold on independent vendors - not in the nodes’ town

[eager furnace]

Heyo everyone, I can see there two different versions of hunting bows on wiki with two different recipes...ingame i saw available Apprentice Hunting bow 2 recipe, but not version 1. Do we know what is the difference between them?

[glacial helm]

I did a some quick arithmatic, and because there are 5 crafting professions 9 processing professions and 8 crafting professions, you end up needing an awful lot of gatherers to support many processors and 1 crafter, particularly with the fuel concept, and that crafter is going to have to turn out about 30 of whatever they produce to supply the people contributing to the production line let alone anyone else. So many different gatherables, and processes involved in the final product.

[mighty sandal]

Do crafters also have a queue system to creating items? I only got to do some sawmilling last I was on, but i'm wondering what the end goal is on the designing side to make it more satisfying. or if this is the intended way for crafting?

[glacial helm]

I honestly don't know, but right now artisanship needs to be a lot more efficient before an individual can test any processing or crafting. I would imagine that when they want people to test it, they will make it more intuitive and more rewarding.

[inner gulch]

Anyone have bad luck finding apprentice animals this weekend? Seems like 75% of the spawns were just not spawning, even during the right time of day

[sour axle]

Im not sure what you mean by queue system but crafting items is instant as opposed to the 1 minute per stack processing takes

[sour axle]

Depends what you were looking for.
I have discovered not all animals have the same spawn time. So while frogs have the same 2.5min spawn time as pallas cats and wolves. Raptors have a longer time

My testing isnt exact on this.
I found turtles, deer, otters, frogs and the mares np

[gusty oracle]

I did notice Sunday there were areas were no mobs were spawning but I think they also tweaked some timings for taming

[glacial helm]

I've left one of my characters at level 9 for testing artisanship. it is pointless testing at level 20 to craft gear for level 10.

[mighty sandal]

I just mean like having to wait a couple seconds and then getting your result of whatever you're crafting or processing. I don't have a ton of experience with it yet, gonna do more of the artisan stuff next time servers go up but was just curious what the plan forward was going to be if there were any vids of the dev team talking about it or something. I've just been away for a bit so I was curious 🙂 personally really interested in the cooking

[stoic verge]

Thank you very much -- now know I am not krazy !!!

[glacial helm]

A lot of people are saying this is not until phase2, but I don't know what "progression" in A2P1 includes.

[stoic verge]

Although I did check independants also -- guess there are some I am not aware of.

[sour axle]

So from my experience. Any processing skill like weaving, tanning, lumber milling, animal husbandry etc. It takes 1 minute to complete 1 conversion with the exception of animal husbandry which is 30 min.

Crafting like armorsmithing, leathwrworks, carpentry etc all appears to be instant upon hitting the submit button

[gusty oracle]

i really cant wait for phase 2 as i want to see the crafting skill tree and hopefully see crafting abit more flushed out

[summer osprey]

fleshed out is the term you

meant

[mighty sandal]

I see I see It'd be cool if later on we at least get an animation of us messing around with whatever profession in the background of the menus, maybe akin to ESO or New World like for instance you messing around with a frying pan for cooking or something. can't wait for servers to go back online friday so i can delve more into it so i can give better feedback 😅.

[sour axle]

Yeah right now its far from ready. I did really appreciate the new window they added for adding fuel. It used to be a nightmare trying to optimize resources for fuel

I do think that some of the issue players are having is just unfamiliarity with all of the different items. Whether by design or not every craft is a spiderweb of resources needed. So perhaps once people can recognize oh x item comes from y resources itll smooth over a bit

[gusty oracle]

indeed auto correct changed it for some reason

There is no need for optimization just chuck oak in and let it cook. It's not like it's hard to gather

[summer elk]

are caravans slower in water than on roads?

[whole abyss]

Can anyone, please, let me know the cost (without taxes) of training apprentice level animals?

[inner gulch]

I couldn't get any midnight mares the entire weekend. I only saw 1 spawn and that was bugged and was uninteractible and stuck around during the day

[summer osprey]

Good question- if other processing is any indication, the very same

[opaque phoenix]

On my server the streamers apparently running several towns with themself and their alt characters duped glint and made tons of those horses

[opaque phoenix]

Lol the Resna server managed to get Apprentice tools about 8 hours before the servers went down. Streamers spent too much time spamming global and not building anything.

[pliant flax]

Where got apprentice tools on Resna?

[opaque phoenix]

I think New Aela got the mining tool and shortly after the Brazilian town to the east finished or nearly finished the building for the same

[gaunt gust]

I mean.... I hit 10 metal working and 10 armorsmithing this last weekend. I traded about 80 copper for zinc (1:1) with @olive bobcat and he let me smelt about 60 of his zinc. Other than that i did all of it myself, and i'm not a god-tier gatherer. Now, weapon smithing is absolutely a significant grind. But the real question is: Do you want to max out everything in 6 months and get bored of the game? I didn't play the first weekend, so i'm under a month of gametime of only weekends (yes lots of time dedicated to the game on the weekends) but still.....

[pliant flax]

Thank you sir. I know where Im heading when tehy come up this weekend!

[opaque phoenix]

It's what I'd read in global, someone from the south was talking about mining all the nodes that had been sitting there since the servers came up

Joeva is very near Fishing/Hunting/Cooking building

[wet swift]

zinc is a bit more common than copper in my experience, but that would still be about 1920 zinc gathered.

metalworking to 10 isn't as difficult since copper and zinc can both be done for leveling. also can be done semi afk while you gahter more

[gaunt gust]

Funily enough, i hit 10 armor smithing before metalworking lol

[wet swift]

if you read a bit more about what i had mentioned, i said 1-10 should be faster and scale more from there. not that 1-50 should be easier overall.

it should take a long time to get master crafter. although i'd say that 6 months to get there is long enough

[gaunt gust]

And yeah, i'd agree. From my experience it's been roughly 60% zinc 40% copper for what i've found

I dunno, i want to enjoy this game for years

and if you hit master in 6 months, i feel like you'd be getting bored in a year

[wet swift]

i'm sure you can, people play mmos for years but if you require it to take 1 year + to get to master of any profession, i think there will be a large amount of push back

the game play loop of ashes is going to be based on pvp and politics

that is the replayability for a large portion of the people interested.

for me crafting is 2ndary to that, for those who are more interested in crafting as a 1st interest then you will be able to make alts and make money based on politics going on

[opaque phoenix]

I was trying everything in crafting at once and only got lumber/herbalism to 10 and managed to make a heroic Santus mace. I can see trying to get something specific high and just focusing on that when there's an actual gameplay loop out.

I didn't really pay attention to it until I crafted a fishing pole and notice the durability tripled compared to the free one, that must be true for all crafting tools?

[ashen lodge]

What is the reason to get master (50) if you can craft lvl 20 req weapons on (20)

[wet swift]

the end game level is 50. 25 is just the temporary cap during these alpha stages

[tight cedar]

Resna is honestly the most pathetic server. I migrated off to a fresh start server and already using their apprentice tool benches

[glacial helm]

I think it should be relatively easy and quick to make all your own level 10 gear and consumables. It should at least double in time and effort every 10 levels. Flood people with endorphins early, get 'em hooked! 🤪

[pliant crown]

im very very certain armorsmtihing is actually okay, someone had said it was like 600ish zinc to level it to 10, but all the professions that use copper as the main resource need 2k copper minimum to get to level 10, i specifically tested the exp on crafting for scribe and arcane engineering, scribe needs 2k ruby no matter what you make to get to 10, and arcane engineering needs minimum 2k copper to get to 10, the other recipes use more copper or in the case of pylons, give no exp

i'd still say from lvl 1-10 for a crafter should be around the 500 of main resource mark anyway because that is a huge investment for a single person already

and guilds gathering for a person will be able to keep their profession up with the adventuring level, at least to 10 easily enough

there is also the node progression as a throttle on professions anyway

[patent atlas]

i was given the number of 3400 copper for 10

[pliant crown]

hmm it could be that much, i was just basing it off the ashescodex saying it needs 40k exp to get to lvl 10

[glacial helm]

Was that with the artisan(s) crafting enough gear and consumables to supply the whole node?

[swift crest]

its 2k copper/zinc for WS and AE assuming you don't have xp bonuses

epic/legendary artisan shirt and scrolls lower it to <1500. if the school of construction bonus actually worked... would be lower than that

still crazy, but doable

[pliant crown]

and novice scripe crafting exp scroll doesnt work, someone told me the apprentice xp scrolls were working though

[swift crest]

i thought they weren't working, because i wasn't getting +65 xp stat, however someone said you have to keep trying, relog then use it, etc and eventually you'll see the bonus

[pliant crown]

hmm i mean relogging removes the buffs atm so you'd just use another one

[swift crest]

yeah, that

might have to go through a few

[pliant crown]

but i assumed because the novice scroll says all crafting and apprentice says specific profession exp

cause the all crafting exp doesnt show in stat page when you use it

[swift crest]

i don't know the conditions for it working, i only had it not working, but i've seen screenshots of someone getting 200+ xp on a 160xp craft which can't be done unless that bonus is working so..

[pliant crown]

and its some sort of % increase cause the arcane engineering shirt i got [blue] says 5 exp bonus but that raised it from 100 to 101 per craft

[swift crest]

its xp rating / 2 usually

[pliant crown]

apprentice scrolls can be bought through npcs as far as i was told

[swift crest]

my +50 xp rating shirt increased crafting xp by 25

[pliant crown]

i did see it from the one apprentice station resna had when i checked if they were telling the truth

i would assume a 5 would then be 2 or 3 but it was only 1 bonus

[swift crest]

i bought some, and used them, but never saw the +65 they promised, but it was right before server went down so i couldn't test

i did one without my shirt and one with

[pliant crown]

but even then needing more than a nodes buiding material is a little crazy

[swift crest]

lol yes

[pliant crown]

this community project? ok i can get it, but yeaaa lol

at the very least ideally since lvl 1-10 gear is short term it shouldnt take forever to match lvl 10 stuff

[swift crest]

i posted a ss earlier if you scroll up, they just need to increase xp for higher rarity processing/crafting

like they do in gathering

[pliant crown]

wouldnt fix scribe since all rare mats = common scroll

[swift crest]

i made a green enchanting scroll

it functioned as a white

but it was green

[pliant crown]

maybe its just enchanting scroll then, i think i tried a regular exp scroll

but it needs work cause i'd say its harder [in time] to get to lvl 10 in some of the crafting than it is to get to 20

[swift crest]

i'm sure they'll address it. just phase 1 issues.

[frigid lynx]

can this game address this issue, I crafted and gathered all the time I could at first day, two days in, when I apprenticed in everything, there was nothing new I could get for weeks on end, I'm two weeks in and I can't get my apprentice tools yet, am I really being punished for not liking combat and wanting to craft? This game was pressing that it was also a crafting game as much as it was a combat game, much like runescape, and I was brought here because of this reason, why can I not progress any of my crafts months beyond reasonable gameplay? Let me gather more than novice skills on the first week of gameplay. Sure, I can

Sure, I can't make the apprentice tools, but let at least the novice tools of blue color gather the apprentice nodes, otheriwse crafting is completely pointless, and we might as well team up with 4 people and grind mobs for an entire month like what is expected now.

gathering is dead in this game.

[potent parcel]

Your tool upgrades are dictated by the buildings the nodes have built

If no one helps build them, then no one progresses thier tools

It’s entirely progressed by gathering and crafting

[glacial helm]

I sort of did the same thing. I have a feeling we are a little ahead of scheduling testing the artisan system, but there have been a few of us posting on the forum with ideas and suggestions. I would leave it until you see some pre-weekend news indicating that they are ready for us to take another look. Try not to get burned out or frustrated, there is a long test ahead of us. Take a week-end off if you are not having fun and things haven't changed much. There are going to be wipes, so just get involved in the next pass. I completely agree that artisan processes are not efficient enough to meet player demand right now, and far too time consuming to compete with drops as a source of gear for an individual.

[opaque phoenix]

The artisan systems exist, but it's not part of this test as stated. The December 20th release mentions artisanship as part of testing though.

I got my gathering on several things to Apprentice but no one on my server had built anything for the tools and then read the testing notes so now I'm planning on just trying out different ability combos and maybe rolling a class I never play (melee ) to see how it feels.

[pearl gust]

Anyone else feel like the resource nodes were littered like confetti this weekend?

[opaque phoenix]

They seemed to be the same as before to me and unfortunately my server hadn't made apprentice tools so were all the higher tier things at least for mining. I did see copper and rubies when it was laaate at night and less people running around.

[whole abyss]

Anyone have an answer here? My server is almost done building the Cookhouse + Aggrigultural Supply and I want to make sure I have enough gold to train a first batch of apprentice animals. Thank you!

[stuck holly]

Was told I could post my artisan idea, here is a link to a indepth long post I made about my suggestion for the animal husbandry skill.
https://forums.ashesofcreation.com/discussion/63823/suggestion-for-animal-husbandry/p1?new=1

Please give it a read, and suggest any feedback you might have

[wooden canyon]

Can't remember exactly but i've been told 1gold60 something per, plan for 2 gold each and you will be fine

[hazy plinth]

Hi !
Do we know what kind of ressources there are in lawless zone atm ?

[ashen lodge]

Copper ore probably

[elder peak]

haven´t been really looking, but i did not see any

[finite lichen]

can someone make connection
so i can assume mining T4 (master) ----> Metalworking T4(master) -----> Weapon Smithing & Armor Smithing T5 ( grandmaster)
to make best armor and weapon ?

cause we only can grandmaster only 2 prof

[candid knoll]

you can only have 3 mastered

[finite lichen]

Of course node need high level metropolis to serve with

1. Metalworking stations (processing)
2. Weapon Smithing (crafting)
3. Armor Smithing (crafting)
   there a lot question if three of those can build on single town/node

[candid knoll]

mining OR metalworking T4 + weapon smithing & armor smithing T5

the two grandmaster skills take up 2/3 of the skills you can have at master

[finite lichen]

i think its work bothway like archeage, max T5 is 2 prof, and T4 is 3 prof.
lets say i T5 (grandmaster) armorsmith and weaponsmith is already 2. and i can have 3 prof T4 (master)

[candid knoll]

no.

[finite lichen]

oh its like ladder then

[candid knoll]

of the 5 apprentice skills, you can promote 4 to journeyman

etc.

otherwise you'd have 12 skills that are apprentice or above

[finite lichen]

damn if you correct then, either i should make alt specific for farming/processing, trading or buy from auction/marketplace (economic node)

[candid knoll]

alts and guilds are big needed for crafters

[olive bobcat]

he is correct. i have already confirmed it on my account in game.

[candid knoll]

the he in this situation is very ambiguous

[olive bobcat]

fair. asteras is correct.

[candid knoll]

for a second there i thought i was lied to about the system.

[finite lichen]

i remember in archeage i need 4 char to get max/best Tier. yeah in AOC its like ladder as you said. damn in this game leveling 4 max level char seems imposiblle

[olive bobcat]

its not impossible, but that is intended. you are not supposed to be able to solo everything. the system requires you to interact with other people to get what you need and is what creates a healthy in-game economy. when everyone is at novice it isnt very apparent, but apprentice recipe requirements make it very clear you cant do it on your own.

[finite lichen]

yeah i think i need dependence from others (either guild or someone) to gather/process/craft, cant really solo making my own stuff (example: making best jewelry)

[tame mortar]

I never understood why there is so much focus on being able to do everything yourself (with alt) in mmorpgs

[candid knoll]

easier to craft higher rarity items when a dozen gatherers are out there, instead of just you doing it

[candid knoll]

independence

[finite lichen]

well other game design like that, idk either. but i can see where is AOC going

[tame mortar]

you are playing a game with other people, try interacting with them 🙂

[candid knoll]

hey, i never said i was like that

[finite lichen]

cause life skill / proficiency in game is one that you can solo for most mmorpg title, AOC is different of course for social & economic reason

[candid knoll]

in ff14, you need every gathering job leveled to level the crafting ones, or just... go broke buying bits
that is a game where i can accept the omni-crafter grind

here, however, way different

[finite lichen]

i think this the best route if someone want make big gold, cause "whale" (ill call that, althou buying gold is ban-able) will find his way to spam enchanting their gear

cause sweaty mega guild will not have enough mats and gold for their scriber grandmaster to supply their mega members

[grand mortar]

i think there will be oversaturation of crafting grandmasters

at the start at least

[finite lichen]

i wonder how traderunning impact snowball the sweaty mega guild monetary, could impact entire server economy with inflation

[grand mortar]

maybe with time the economy will balance it out

[olive bobcat]

at current rates, it would take node progression forever to allow grandmaster crafting. i dont think it will be an issue for a few months, at least.

[grand mortar]

true

and besides who knows when the level cap will even allow someone to reach grandmaster

[candid knoll]

i would argue that it would be processing grandmasters
processing is the longest part of the crafting process, which would bottleneck the crafters

[olive bobcat]

indeed. it will also be dependent on having enough grandmaster gatherers and processors to provide mats for the crafters. processing can be fed fairly easily by a large guild, but gathering is entirely time gated to an individual.

[patent narwhal]

Does anyone have a handy TLDR for scribing? Looking to do some reading / watching before this weekend

[finite lichen]

yeah i agree not for alpha phase, maybe later when reaching end of beta

[olive bobcat]

i disagree, somewhat, here. from an individual perspective, processing is only longer in the sense that you have to queue and wait. gathering the materials needed to process has seemed to be the more time consuming of the two profession branches, especially when it comes to the rarer resources and higher quality resources.

[candid knoll]

on an individual level, yes, gathering is the slowest part

but the guild will have an army of gatherers

[olive bobcat]

yeah, the math is slightly different when you factor in guilds feeding people😅

[candid knoll]

processors will be feasting on the raw resources

rarity and quality are inevitable with enough bodies

[ashen lodge]

Gold maximum capacity is now set to 200

So forget about your ideas of being super mega trader

[candid knoll]

and one minute per processed item when you might need like 6-10 for one crafted item will add up quick

[finite lichen]

lets say example Guild XYZ is hardcore sweaty mega guild, 1000 member funnel one or two crafter in their guild (gold, mats, town crafting bench), they have node and metropolis with max tier crafting bench.

my question how normal player whose not hardcore can reach that point, althou everyone can use their town crafting bench. is time wise make sense? that all i want ask, cause the last time i reach lvl6 wood cutting that a lot time to grind, i cant imagine to reach lvl 40-50 (grandmaster)

[olive bobcat]

that being said, im pretty much the only independent supplier of tin and apprentice ingots in vyra right now, and i have both large and small guilds coming to me for it despite having their own crafting branches. its anecdotal, obviously, but it shows that one) solo players still have a place in the game if they focus a fairly singular path, and two) its not strictly necessary or more efficient for a guild to feed, and therefore build short and long term reliance, on a single artisan.

[candid knoll]

i see so much tin that i simply cannot mine

it takes a long time to reach those levels of mining

[olive bobcat]

not as long as people think. ive hit 38 in mining and would be well into the 40s if i hadnt been glitched down to lv20 when testing demotion from Master for rarity gathering purposes.

[deep wolf]

It didnt feel that bad to me, this past weekend, my first weekend, got to lvl 12 and 10 in mining and didn't even play that hard.

[finite lichen]

yes i heard one of dupe exploit. its 200g is the max.
well if people smart they can put money anywhere, just as our imagination (alt/guild/storage bank/ item/etc)

[candid knoll]

most of the ores i encounter are above my level, and granite just isnt doing it anymore

[ashen lodge]

How you can put gold in storage 😆

[candid knoll]

buy materials to store money as goods

[deep wolf]

What do you mean "isn't doing it anymore"? you still get exp from it dont ya

[finite lichen]

i dont know a lot about the game, probably guild storage/bank or something . or convert to valuable item in market so you dont cap the gold limit in inverntory

[olive bobcat]

there arent banks atm. i dont remember them being planned, either.

[candid knoll]

i mean, i can also get exp from level 1 mobs

[deep wolf]

I mean if you're being picky about what you mine then im not surprised you're having trouble leveling

[finite lichen]

yeah sorry, i just talking to hypothetical theory

[candid knoll]

i mine literally everything i can i have no choice
leveling with the lowest exp option is just unfun when i see half a dozen emerald nodes to my left

[ashen lodge]

Just so you can understand what is 200g. I have 6gold at level 14 and you will make way more at level 25 ( I think )

[finite lichen]

i think they not covering/balance ores distribution for now, maybe later stage. cause we dont know yet for other races spawn point, and biome

[olive bobcat]

i dont think ore distribution is that bad. it just looks bad because people cant clear higher nodes yet. before anyone had apprentice pickaxes, i saw tin everywhere. once everyone got those pickaxes it is more rare. still more findable than copper/zinc for the most part, but that is because not everyone can grab tin like they can copper/zinc. the same thing will eventually happen with iron/sapphire. the only resource that really needs to be balanced around atm is copper. it is just in too high demand by too many professions and node buildings for a t1 mat. the easiest way to fix that is through increased copper spawns, but it could also be done through recipe adjustments.

[deep wolf]

Its also primarily a problem just at the start whenever is grinding it, could be fine later

[bold compass]

It could also be that on the fresh start servers that got started after they had some of those early fixes with gatherables that copper isn't nearly as terrible as what we have seen on vyra

[inner gulch]

are any nodes looking like theyr gona hit t3 stations on any of yalls servers before the wipe? vyra just hit t2 this week so im not sure it can be done in a few weeks

[summer elk]

aeterna will hit the first t3 station this weekend, even though it's a new server only since Nov 8th

so it should be possible for other servers as well, especially longer running ones

[inner gulch]

sorry not t3 node, t3 station

[inner gulch]

which profession you guys going for journeyman?

[olive bobcat]

miraleth has a chance if they build a factory for a 4th slot this weekend

it wont be useful since it would upgrade armor/weaponsmithing without access to any t3 mats, but they would have it nonetheless.

[inner gulch]

ouch

[summer elk]

joeva is building animal husbandry t3

[inner gulch]

oo im jelly

also who the hell is affording journeyman husbandry at this point. im 100g in the hole for 11 husbandry atm 20 must be like 300 or more?

[summer elk]

I don't know if anyone will have it before wipe

[inner gulch]

hopefully someone gets it. i wanna see what the tameable dragons and other journeyman flying creatures turn into

[olive bobcat]

ive had multiple professional lv25 caravaners tell me that max runs are 75g right now. for an hour of your time. 300g isnt that much in comparison.

[inner gulch]

max runs as in the 12 slot van with all greens?

iv just been doing the 3/4 slotters for lower risk but i gotta try the bigger one

[olive bobcat]

idk details and cant personally confirm as i gave up caravaning after i dc'd on my first one and logged back in to a borked, white husk.

i trust the info, though. it came from 3 disconnected sources who publically dont like each other very much.

[pliant crown]

current scribe is kinda whatever, its novice stuff can make it so you can +1 stat lvl 1 gear or have a 1% exp boost while leveling assuming you dont relog, general crafting xp scroll doesnt work (someone said it has for them but never seen it effect stats or outcomes), enchanting is just a rich persons money pit atm
also you need 2k rubies to level it to 10 rn you end up processing the rubies in alchemy twice to be able to make stuff

[patent narwhal]

thanks, this is helpful info.

[pliant crown]

oh also it can make gathering pylons but im unsure if they even work, they dont give crafting exp either

[red bison]

is there a place to sell raw materials? i got so much ore as a miner and high quality stuff too but i was only level 6 and worried people would just kill me for it instead of trading me for it

i know you can sell to npcs but i mean sell to other players

[pliant crown]

theres no marketboard related stuff or players shops in this phase, you'd have to advertise in global

[red bison]

ah cool. thank you

[left parrot]

does anyone know offhand the materials for an apprentice lumberjacking axe?

ashescodex doesn’t have it

[sharp harness]

I just hit apprentice wood cutting this weekend, how do I make an apperentice axe? I didn’t see an apprentice woodcutting tool station at any of the nodes I went to

[tame mortar]

Miraleth has one

Nwm, I thought I was posting in the server specific channel

You can zoom in on the map to check before you go there

[quartz lichen]

yea we also did timed runs and ran it multiple times with different caravan setups, it was super surprising to generate that much gold within 61 minutes of caravan travel time. Really enjoyed it - also most of the time we had fresh starter players escorting the caravans cause of the quests, we always gave them some old gear, a mount, few gold or something else even tho they never asked for it - was a fun testing experience this weekend

[echo sand]

A question about Tami g mounts,do you need to use the same rarity of fuel as the mount when attempting to tame? Tried to tame a bear and it said insufficient fuel... I was using a mix of common and uncommon fuels

[red bison]

is this a feature? i tried doing that but it would only show vendors and artisan stations if i was in the vicinity

[tame mortar]

yes, you can check on the map what every town has build, before going there

[red bison]

ooo ok. maybe i was messing something up. ill try on friday. thank you

[cursive sphinx]

kerrai - the recipe for apprentice ax is 10 Western Larch Timber + 10 Copper fragments + 1 Basalt weapon mold

[low prairie]

Is max runs with high quality caravans? Or just the base 4 slots. I know you can increase cargo space.

[olive bobcat]

this is what the minimap does. you have to open the standalone map (hotkey M) and then zoom into the town.

[olive bobcat]

yes, they said legendary caravans, so i assume more space and higher level commodities.

[cursive sphinx]

Jeah, me neither. I was looking for apprentice herbalism to make a better sickle, but couldn't see it on map, and no-one replied in global chat.

[red bison]

im pretty sure i tried that, maybe i did it wrong though? if i wasnt near the location icons for quests, vendors, and artisan stations wouldnt show up

[cursive sphinx]

I did try taht, but zooming in jut shows what shops there are, not the level?

[olive bobcat]

it wont show individual stations. it will show the t2 building(s) that have been built in that node. their symbol is usually a different color than the others.

you have to know what building belongs to what station

or rather, what stations belong to what building, i suppose

ex: mining, stonemason, jewelcrafting at the stoneworks building

[low prairie]

You can cheat it and look at the node menu. In the empty slots it tells you what each building does for those that are not made lol

There's a lot of information in the menus if you can manipulate it a bit.

[red bison]

ok interesting. ill have to mess around with it once the game is back up. thanks for the advice

[inner gulch]

No right now you can't use a mix or it says insufficient. Just have to use all same type

[echo sand]

@inner gulch ok thanks alot

[lethal sonnet]

Is mining the most lucrative artisan atm?

[empty prism]

Hard to tell rn but copper rubies zinc are usually sought/bought out by crafters in server discords don’t really see that with other gathering professions

[inner gulch]

i can tell you hunting is probably the least lucrative, husbandrists have nothing better to do between trainings than to go out and farm hunts

[deep wolf]

The others may become lucrative at different tiers but the resources for t1 for the other gathering professions aren’t bad to get.

[pliant crown]

i'd say mine while playing because the balance on what is needed of copper and ruby is crazy high amounts of those, and if you want to earn something while afk/away just plop yourself at a fishing spot since that is currently an afk only activity

[blazing field]

What is the current street price of

1. Copper
2. zink
3. rubies
4. flax?

Also - any relaxed crafting guilds in EU servers looking for members?😄

[round willow]

I wouldnt be surprised if it's server specific

also gold not being very useful currently, I'd rather compare these items to each other.

I'd say 1 copper = 3 zinc = 6 rubies = 4 flax roughly if I had to rank them myself based on my experience so far

[opaque phoenix]

lol they were offering 10g for copper on my server but that was the infinite gold hack server

[round willow]

yeah money even more worthless then

[deep wolf]

Cant you just make flax with poop?

[opaque phoenix]

And 1 minute per flax, with low rarity likely though I've not tested to see how the poop rarity affected it - as far as I'd read artisan skills weren't in a state reflective of the intended endpoint but just existed so we could see them and then the December 20th phase would have them iterated on

[deep wolf]

Just saying in the current iteration, I wouldnt value flax as high due to the other method to get it

[blazing field]

I agree with you all! Even though I know P2 might change everything, I'm trying to balance what to focus on vs. what will be super expensive/competitive

[wooden briar]

you think they'll make professions a bit less grindy?

🤔 although if they fixed spawns, I would complain less about the grind tbh

[blazing field]

As it seems that everything mining-related is super expensive, I'm thinking about selling everything I mine and then focusing on crafting and processing that relies on wood.

[potent parcel]

Is it really that grindy? We have played 10 game days total so far

[ashen lodge]

I see those comments more and more.
Like why it not useful ? AoC have paxdei level economy?
You mean people can mine copper sell it and buy gear from other people?

[blazing field]

I actually really liked gathering and processing grinds, the crafting one is just terrible atm

[opaque phoenix]

I think we've experienced maybe a sped up rate here 😅

[wooden briar]

for me, it's only been 3. wood related isn't difficult and once I figured out herbalism, it was okay'ish...but mining. mining's a chore 'n a half

[blazing field]

Mining was really bloody fast

[wooden briar]

I hope to god that's not the case

[blazing field]

Got lvl 10 very quickly

[wooden briar]

where at?

[blazing field]

All around, just murder all the granite and basalt you find

Near mountains, mostly

[wooden briar]

[blazing field]

I think in play time it was maybe 8 hours-ish to get there

[wooden briar]

tbf, I was being carted around as a healer for a friend who hates professions or at least the gathering grind so....

[opaque phoenix]

I found out late the beginner item is less good than the first crafted gathering item, could have saved so many trips to repair

[wooden briar]

but when I had a couple of hours, it was rough for the mining

[wooden briar]

hard to do when you can't find a damn copper node

tbf, I'm like 80% certain they accidentally swapped spawn rates+locations for copper vs iron

[blazing field]

North-west of Lionhold had the most copper in my experience. The place with a lot of lakes

Nah, no one can just mine iron yet

[wooden briar]

ah gotcha. I've mainly been on the east side of the map

[wooden briar]

ik that. I'm just saying there was a shitton of iron and barely any copper. kinda flipped

[blazing field]

The copper rates aren't bad, it is just that all the players need them at this stage of game and the map size is currently really small

[wooden briar]

you would expect iron to be more rare, yes?

[blazing field]

It may just be, but it never goes away as no one mines it 😄

[wooden briar]

ah fair

you make a good point

[blazing field]

It'll get more balanced as people progress a bit

So about a month in P2, I guess

Crafting gathering tools gave that skill's xp, right? And you can trade gathering tools?

I have a big brain plan for P2 >:)

[fleet bone]

So one thing that stood out to me is that none of the gear currently binds on equip. Is this just an alpha thing or the move forward intention? I ask because the lack of binding is a sure artisan killer. In order for there to be a healthy crafting market there needs to be a consumption mechanism so a demand is generated. With no binding, that means every player that gets a new piece of gear can just put their old in the market, essentially stealing a crafter opportunity.

[cobalt dawn]

is there a difference in durability based on the rarity of the tool?

[cobalt dawn]

they said it s intended to be like this but also i think when you enchant it becomes soulbind. Also there should be a weapon deconstruct in game that will take some of these pieces out of the game

[opaque phoenix]

with more uptime and the experience of nodes not building the T2 gathering tools early it'll probably be much faster, I think some servers have stated they're going to coordinate each node building a different gathering tool building early so they can clear the T2 mining nodes to make more room for copper/zinc to spawn

[fleet bone]

Interesting. I forget which one, but another MMO tried this many, many years ago and quickly had to reverse course. I certainly hope that whatever consumption mechanism they are planning is robust enough.

[opaque phoenix]

In that Piratesoftware interview they talked about why they don't like soulbinding and how it doesn't solve problems a lot of developers had stated it would and creates more

[opaque phoenix]

Dark Age didn't use bound weapons and armor but they did slowly degrade over time with use and eventually broke and had to be replaced

[cobalt dawn]

i saw that there are different types of gear for extra yeld or xp when refining materials. in my opinion that makes it just more tedious rather than exciting, having to have so many crafting sets and no quick change methods

[inner gulch]

probably not, its not supposed to be a skill you can grind up in just a couple days like wow is.

[inner gulch]

i dont think i got any exp for making the t2 hunting bow and no you cant trade them

[wooden briar]

this is what I liked so much about FFXIV's gear sets. it made it so much easier to switch between the profession gear sets along with the class gear set

[cobalt dawn]

i might have ptsd from new world whre you had a set for everything but no easy way to swap, ended up with storages full of items

would prefer something like an enchant for the tools or even the tools itself to have the stats that cloting are giving right now

[round willow]

lvl20 crafting not possible yet in phase 1 so no one to buy gear from except the grinders

and the people that grinded prolly have tons of items

so they dont need the money

money will be more useful in phase 2

[ashen lodge]

You cant craft journeyman in phase 1 ?

[potent parcel]

It’s node building reliant
Without the buildings being that tier you can’t craft

Buildings are expensive to build

[round willow]

unless you can upgrade the buildings to journeyman no

[ashen lodge]

Many saying you dont need gold and at the same time many says building expensive to build

[round willow]

each building can only be upgraded to 1 of the 3 specs

[potent parcel]

Expensive resource costs not gold

[round willow]

example, woodworks can only allow for journeyman carpentry or lumberjacking or lumbermilling

without journeyman caprpentry building, you cant craft journeyman bows and stuff

[potent parcel]

Cookhouse required 4k droppings to turn into berries,lettuce and beer
And that’s just 1 building

[round willow]

without journeyman lumbermilling building, you cant make journeyman timber

extend it to the others

so you need tons of nodes, or T4 nodes or freeholds to be able to craft journeyman

[potent parcel]

When the vassal system is implemented it gets worse

Limited number of level 3 nodes

[round willow]

yeah, so they havent scaled down the buildings for a world with 5 nodes we have now, the system is designed for the full map later on

having 2 more nodes in phase 2 will maybe make some journeyman items craftable if nothing is reworked

[potent parcel]

Vassal system is being implemented in phase 2, nodes will lock out adjacent nodes from leveling
Winstead hitting 1 first will block halcyon, joeva, miraleth from getting 1
Then when winstead hits 3, only 2 will reach 2 while the 3rd is hardstuck 1

You need level 3 nodes to start doing buildings

[round willow]

yeah in P2 tho we have lvl 4 nodes

and we have node wars to delevel nodes

we also have freeholds for processing and such, so depeending on the limitations of those, some parts of the supply chain might be offloaded to freeholds maybe

[pliant crown]

hey thats only x2 the required items to level some of the crafting professions to 10 lol

[oak spindle]

does green ink just not exist yet

[fervent wind]

Can we assume that the abundance of trees and flowers and the scarcity of metals in Alpha 2 is because of the Riverlands Biome? Maybe another Biome such as the mountains or desert may have an abundance of metals, but very light on flowers and trees?

This would be GREAT news for caravan runners and crafters alike. So as a weaponsmith for example, I would probably choose to live near the abundance of metals, but as a carpenter, I would probably choose to live neat the forests.

[glacial helm]

I would assume that the Riverlands is to be the material neutral biome with an average amount of everything. Or at least for testing purposes. I think at this point quantities don't mean much, we have everybody crowded for Performance testing.

[grand mortar]

makes sense

[glacial helm]

I think we also have a design issue that means the supply side of professions are very inefficient. I think that if a plyer is holding materials that input into professions starting with the gatherer, they need to be the one initiating the job. That job then sits there until the processor/crafter fuels it and processes the job. The processor then gets paid and the gatherer comes back to pick up the processed good. Right now it isn't set up for anyone to specialize, and therefore there are a lot of gatherables being vended, or sitting in storage. Stuff needs to move through the economy far faster.

[grand mortar]

i didn't really understood what you said about the gatherer needing to be the one initiating the job

[glacial helm]

Right now if the gatherer of copper ore want copper fragments, he has to process the job themself. He cant easily hire a metalworker to process the ore for him, and retain control of the transaction. He has to sell the ore to a processor, wait for the processor to process it, then buy the output from the processor. Those 3 steps can be locked together as far as the economy is concerned, particularly if the processor is paid in (extra) ore for his work.

[fervent wind]

But that is by design

There are 3 unique parts to crafting

[grand mortar]

and what would make this faster (and better) for you exactly?

[fervent wind]

The gatherer is the one taking the risk... the processor is the one investing the time, and the producer is the one investing the $ to buy the processed goods

[fading stump]

most gatherers will be selling their stuff in player shops / auction house or giving it to a processor they know if they want the items processed, we just dont have the selling part of things implemented other than player to player trading by chat

[fervent wind]

In all reality... the gatherer holds the most risk

[glacial helm]

Perhaps a desin flaw was harsh. All I am saying is that process you wrote out just needs automated. Also I just think a secure way to retain control of your material through the crafting process is going to be required.

[grand mortar]

so like a system where gatherers input the ores and the processors receive the ore to process? automating the parts of the interaction?

[fervent wind]

The processor will hold inventory and process to order. If they do not hold inventory of raw gatherables, it'll be hard for them to make money, because they take a risk on what processed goods will be needed. For eg... they turn too much ore into shards and miss out on a large ingot sale

OR!!! they process for their guild and get a cut of the processing

[glacial helm]

Yeah but with my system the sale is already made because the gatherer commissioned the process.

[grand mortar]

got it, so like the current artisan commissions, but they would be player made

[fervent wind]

Why would a gatherer need the processed goods?

[glacial helm]

Because he gathered a super awesome ore that goes into a super awesome sword?

[fervent wind]

But he can't craft the sword

[fading stump]

there is supposed to be some order system thing so you cant steal from people eventually but its more like a commission system, otherwise its all based on trust and reputation which will play a large part on release

[glacial helm]

wait for it - he then does the same thing for the crafter.

[fervent wind]

I get that ... but that goes for everyone. Not just the gatherer. The processor would have the same issue

[grand mortar]

i honestly don't know which one i'd prefer, having a system in place makes things easier, but leaving the process totally in the open can make it more chaotic and fun

[glacial helm]

Yes - all the way up the line.

[fervent wind]

That's why it is super advantageous to have a guild

[fervent wind]

It's completely social experiment lol

[glacial helm]

Yeah, that doesn't change, I'm just making it more efficient. And enforcing trust a little.

[fervent wind]

NOW I get it haha

I'm a bit slow lol

That UI would be extremely helpful

I came from the old school mmo Ultima Online and I can see they days of bank sitting coming back for crafters spamming to sale their services

[glacial helm]

Yeah that is work not fun.

[fervent wind]

I found it enjoyable to sit around the bank and make people clothes from my rare colored cloth haha

And charging for repairs to Grandmaster crafted equipment

[glacial helm]

Well I think that is why processors and crafters should get paid in (extra) material, they will have enough after a few commissions to process or make extra items that they can then sell on.

[fading stump]

you are gonna like the plan for repairing unique recipes and gear then

[glacial helm]

Yeah - that is why I'm not certain that this isn't where Intrepid are going anyway.

They might just not have implemented it yet.

[fervent wind]

I think what we have now is honestly just a placeholder

I mean, it's kinda ridiculous that you can't process 3 items or 4 items at a time

[glacial helm]

so that was a very long way of me saying - don't worry about it 😂 .

[fervent wind]

Yeah ... what we have now, I'm sure is a LONG way from what we'll get by the time Beta hits

[glacial helm]

Yeah - I think that is where we will end up too. I don't consider myself super smart or uniquely smart. If I thought of it, there is a good chance 1 of the 200 developers at Intrepid did too. I hadn't noticed that escrow comment before now.

[late lantern]

Hey is there anyone that reached farming level 20 and can tell me if you can get Tomatoes, Onions and Corn and if so how hard it is?

[brittle wraith]

thats not tied to the lvl ... we need a building build that gives that like agricultural supply but for the Journeyman.@late lantern

btw I'm lvl 23 Miner

[late lantern]

Alright thanks

[grand mortar]

does anybody here knows if the most high level gear will be achievable through looting, crafting or both?

[olive bobcat]

both

[pseudo mortar]

So far most weapon drops also have recipe drops too, so anything you can get from a named mob can also be crafted

[mystic zodiac]

question for you then does the mining lvl increases rarity?

[cursive sphinx]

You mean when yo can mine other stuff than basalt and copper? At lvl 10 you "upgrade" your profession and can craft recipe to craft an apprentice harvesting tool. Then you can mine other stuff. What next level is, I dont know.

[mystic zodiac]

that was more like if even for basalt you got more rare procs with higher lvl

but ig it'll come with artisanship trees

[olive bobcat]

no, mining level itself doesnt increase rarity

[cursive sphinx]

But the level on tools does?

[olive bobcat]

it can if you build a tool with a rarity stat

[brittle wraith]

No it doesnt.

[mystic zodiac]

didnt have a recipe for an apprentice pickaxe with rarity rating

does one exist?

[olive bobcat]

most gathering professions have 3 different recipes for their tools, but only 2 are in game right now. not all of the professions have access to a rarity stat tool.

the apprentice mining tool recipe with apprentice mats has rarity as a stat.

[brittle wraith]

the higher rarity Pickaxe has an increase in rarity on it

[olive bobcat]

you can buy the recipe for it at a stoneworks building from the mining vendor

[mystic zodiac]

guess im bugged i only had mining speed + quantity and xp+speed

and the speed + quantity i had to buy the recipe

and it needs apprentice mats

[olive bobcat]

speed+quantity gets rarity as a 3rd stat when you craft with higher level mats

[mystic zodiac]

ahhh

good to know

good thing i was planning on having it heroic+

[olive bobcat]

id recommend checking out ashescodex.com

can see what gear has what stats at different rarities

[mystic zodiac]

indeed indeed

[brittle wraith]

not a Pickaxe but the stats are the same

[mystic zodiac]

found this but seems it isnt yet in the game

[opaque phoenix]

It is, they hadn't made any stations in my server (Resna) but others apparently had that tool already

[brittle wraith]

it is in game ... but brass ingot and slate mold are apprentice crafts

[mystic zodiac]

i'll have to check when im back in game but i only had the other two

[opaque phoenix]

Lol I was hoping they'd wipe my server and we could coordinate between nodes now that their mayors had abandoned everything after trolling for a month and get apprentice level tools to try before the 20th december

[mystic zodiac]

and the apprentice stonemason vendor solf me the speed/quantity only

i'm kinda sad that they made tools "bound"

[olive bobcat]

yeah, the 3rd recipe is missing for now

[mystic zodiac]

it'd have been a good thing to sell

[mystic zodiac]

tbf the slate mortar is the bigger thing

brass ingots are copper+zinc so quite easy

but the slate mortar needs apprentice wood and fiber 😦

[brittle wraith]

sure but it is still an apprentice craft

[opaque phoenix]

You'd need each node in the server to specialize into one material for that?

[mystic zodiac]

not each i think you need 3

one woodworking one stonemason and one for fiber the name i forgot

[viral remnant]

That recipe isn't correct btw, the comment below on the codex site has the right materials, 1 basalt weapon mold, 10 copper fragments, 10 western larch timber

[mystic zodiac]

ah so even easier to do then ig

[brittle wraith]

textile mill is for the fiber

[opaque phoenix]

maaaybe it's a drop recipe like the Sanctus Mace with a bonus for rarity 🙂

[mystic zodiac]

sad that this recipe isnt in then the only way to get rarity is with that one

[olive bobcat]

slate molds are slat+animal fat+bluebell fiber. so you need an item from 3 processing apprentice professions to make the molds.

[mystic zodiac]

and this does need apprentice thing

[viral remnant]

Yup, I crafted one last weekend on Vyra 🙂

[mystic zodiac]

and a Weeping Willow Board

[mystic zodiac]

wait so you have that recipe

[olive bobcat]

you right. forgot about that

[mystic zodiac]

where'd you get it

[olive bobcat]

so 4 professions

[mystic zodiac]

3*

you can buy animal fat i think

[olive bobcat]

you can, but for higher rarities you need apprentice tanner

[mystic zodiac]

ah fuck

didnt think about that

[viral remnant]

Once you get access to the stonemason upgrade in a node, the apprentice level tool stations will have the recipe available for you, just like the novice station has the novice recipe already included

[mystic zodiac]

then i guess its a me probably

cuz the guy didnt have it

😭

[olive bobcat]

its not the guy

you just go to the station

[brittle wraith]

you need to find the station to craft it

[olive bobcat]

its embedded in the station already

[mystic zodiac]

mmh i'll have to check back

i seem to remember only having the xp/speed one

sure hope i have the rarity one to

[summer elk]

I think the speed is the worst one, even xp can be a huge help, but speed is bearly noticable

[mystic zodiac]

i do agree

[olive bobcat]

yeah, speed is useless

quantity honestly doesnt help much either. crafted a legendary apprentice pickaxe at the beginning of last weekend and it barely ever proc'd the +1.

[mystic zodiac]

legendary damn

only ever got one proc of legendary

[gusty oracle]

I dont think alot of that stuff is implemented properly yet

[summer elk]

I only got heroic, put all legendary materials but had only rare copper, where did you get legendary copper 😮

[viral remnant]

yeah i'm not sure the gathering speed stat is doing much if anything currently, I made a heroic rarity apprentice lumberjacking axe and hacking down adult sized trees i didn't notice it being any faster lol

[brittle wraith]

this is the recipe you should use and in the higher raritys you get the "Rarity Increase Rating"

[mystic zodiac]

ah yeah i had this one

[olive bobcat]

im level 38 mining and thats only because i had to redo 20-30 last weekend due to a demotion bug that sent me back down 10 levels from master to peak apprentice. ive pulled 35+ legendary copper so far.

[mystic zodiac]

was talking about the rarity/quantity one

[summer elk]

damn thats high, nice job. Do you have higher rarity shirt/pants as well?

[olive bobcat]

nope, just novice from vendor

[elder peak]

should have bought apprentice at least 😉

[olive bobcat]

sorry, i did buy apprentice from vendor

whatever vendor sells at stoneworks is what i have

[elder peak]

well 2 or 3 pieces? maybe you got a journeyman stoneworks?

[olive bobcat]

2. its only apprentice stoneworks. vyra wont be upgrading stoneworks to journey in p1.

[summer elk]

I'm waiting for someone with tailoring/weaving from guild to get apprentice so that we can craft something, but it's hard to buy materials in profession you are not skilled in at the moment without shops and auctions

[olive bobcat]

theres a few apprentice tailors running around now. hit up someone from starlight foundry.

[summer elk]

I'm on a new server, from Nov 8th, haven't found any yet

[olive bobcat]

ah, mb,thought you were on vyra

[brittle wraith]

my server might have a journeyman woodwork until the end of phase 1

[gusty oracle]

I'm still trying to decide what professions I want to focus on in phase 2

[summer elk]

problem with journeyman is that if you have carpentry, you can't do anything without woodmill, and if you have that, you can't do anything without lumberjacking, so you need to have all 3 and start from lumberjacking. Journeyman buildings will offer only 1 of 3 stations as oppsed to appretnice that offers all 3

[opaque phoenix]

All this artisan chat, Resna didn't have mayors that built anything and we've had novice tools since launch

[opaque phoenix]

There was a video saying you'd need different nodes to do individual journeyman stations with our level 3 limit, but level 4 would allow a single node to do more in the next phase?

[summer elk]

yeah, currently we are very limited, we might get gathering to journeyman as the other paths make no sense to get

[olive bobcat]

this isnt quite true. its complex, but you can have all 3 stations be journeyman. you just need space/slots to build the appropriate upgrade buildings.

like, you get all 3 journeyman stoneworks stations if you also have a farm and factory.

[summer elk]

it isn't? that's what I've been told regarding the space we have in phase 1

[olive bobcat]

right, you cant have everything p1 due to slot limitations. i read your statement as just not being able to do so period, my apologies.

[gusty oracle]

Ye games designed for cooperation so nodes can't do everything

[brittle wraith]

I have no idea how it will work, but I think it will show the outcome so in late phases we know more how to build nodes the proper way.

[prisma ravine]

Do we have an idea of how much XP rating , quality or quanity raiting has impact in the game? Such as 1 point has X value

[gusty oracle]

Not really. I suspect we will have a better idea in phase 2 when professions get an update

Hopefully we will also find out more next week on the livestream.

[summer elk]

I was able to test xp rating for mining, 360 xp rating was x2.11 exp, so 0.308% per rating. Not sure if other stuff follow the same rules

[nova ridge]

did you test other values besides 360? it's possible the effects aren't linear

[merry grove]

Hey peeps, I have put together a discord server to act as kind of a think tank for economy and crafting if anyone is interested.
I've always been a solo player due to a number of reasons but primarily my slow typing. I feel like there's a lot of people playing solo for similar reasons. So I've set up some party voice channels that we can hop in to while we're playing so that we can break out into small groups and start learning to work together.
This is not a guild and there will be no requirements.
If you are interested here is the link
https://discord.gg/r99hx9se

[summer elk]

I didn't. Yes, that could also be possible

[nova ridge]

still a good starting point, thank you for testing it!

[mystic zodiac]

the scroll was 20% xp

i dont remember the value

[pliant crown]

i can tell you the bonus stat of 5 exp rating on a rare novice scribe shirt made recipees go from 100 -> 101 exp

[glacial helm]

Please can we expedite the the escrow system at processors, so we can better test the artisanship system. It would also be helpful if XP for gathering and processing was split between doing the gathering and processing, and inputting it into the next crafting step up the chain, so that you get incentivized to supply the chain, instead of just vending it, or doing it yourself.

[pliant crown]

now that you point it out i agree it definitely incentives npc'ing most of the gatherables atm

[glacial helm]

Not sure if we need to NPC it, we just have to make specializing into crafting and processing possible without a whole lot of manual trading back and forth. Right now I have to gather/process everything I process/craft. It would be much easier if a processor or crafter could rollup to a facility with his fuel and just completed escrow commissions.

[pliant crown]

yeee idk if it was you talking about it or someone else but i read in the forums the detailed verison of kinda having a work order system would help, i just wish they would try more crazy things while we still in this phase before doing whatever the plan is for phase 2

[glacial helm]

Yeah that was me, but someone pointed out it was in the wiki as something Intrepid already thought of. They used the term escrow, so that is what I am using, and just asking them to move it up the priority list. 🙏 So much faster, if a miner drops off his copper ore and gets more mining experience for safely delivering it to the processor.

[pliant crown]

ayyy lol

[swift crest]

so far ive found that xp rating provides 1:1 XP at a 320xp activity

so crafting something that gives 160 xp with a 24 rating (ie WS shirt) gives 172xp

base xp + (base xp/320)*xp rating = total xp

maybe scales past lv 10, not sure

[pliant crown]

all i know is that +5 gave 1 exp bonus on a 100 exp craft so

[nova ridge]

that calculation would give 1 or 2 xp on 100xp craft (depending on how rounding is handled)

[glacial helm]

it should be possible to math, how much XP to give in order to level up whilst providing adequate levelling material to a maximum population node say 300. So if you need x medium copper chest armor, you need y copper fragments, and you need z copper ore. Then all you do is work out how many copper nodes that is and give experience to miners for delivering that ore, every 5 levels or how long that leveling gear will last for. And so on up the chain. Or you balance it on the 22 crafts supplying each other.

[opal stirrup]

Is there any way currently to get milk and eggs in the game?

[nova ridge]

or: and I know it may be wild, but what if the miners got the experience when they mined

[nova ridge]

not sure, they sound like something a vendor would sell though (might need a specific vendor through a node building, so the answer might vary based on server)

[glacial helm]

They get the experience mining, it is just working out how much XP to give them per gather, based on what is demanded from the artisan system while levelling. So that artisanship keeps pace with adventuring.

[pliant crown]

imagine if they made korean mmo level of character level grinding to match the current artisian speed

[glacial helm]

If they make a totally player driven economy they would match, because players would eventually fail gear tests. I can almost hear the cries of protest coming from the FFA zones now.

[gusty oracle]

I think the current artisan speed is ok. People just don't know what they are doing yet, gear, potions, food and scrolls will all be a way to min max professions. I'd say the main thing slowing crafters down are just a lack of player stalls to buy/sell stuff.

Also remember because we know there will be a wipe people aren't really pushing for node upgrades and professions.

[glacial helm]

I was just theorizing. Come live everything will be different one way or another. There are a lot of systems not in place.

[grand mortar]

Do you guys think it's possible to reach max novice in all artisan classes before the wipe in dec 20th? I would like to explore them before the wipe

[glacial helm]

In all classes? I'd say not. You are not going to get your hands on enough raw material, with the duping bug destroyed. Nor generate the silver to pay for processing.

[grand mortar]

it makes sense that the crafting ones would be too hard, I think I'll try to get all gathering ones and try my hand at getting the process ones

[nova ridge]

enough of the right raw materials at least, you can probably get most of them, armor and weapon crafting will be rough though

yeah, all gathering and processing you could get there pretty easily

[glacial helm]

Animal husbandry?

[nova ridge]

will be rough, but easier than all the crafting combined for sure, lol

[glacial helm]

Or are we saying that is crafting?

[nova ridge]

that said I really count it as crafting mentally, yeah

same with cooking, it's a craft with a timer (and relies on a processing skill for it's ingredients)

[glacial helm]

Anyway - still say "All of them" - NO. Or if you manage it you are a far better player than I am, not difficult that mind you!

[nova ridge]

idk what the exp gain per craft there is, still looks easier than all the crafts combined by a long shot

as a solo player gold will be too big of an issue, but if you can get caravans running, it certainly looks do-able in 4 weekends

[grand mortar]

i'll check out how the caravans work too, i'm very interested in them

[prisma ravine]

So if I followed this recipe base xp is 120 + (120/320) * xp rating say 1500 would be 562. Then plus 120 which means that it would be 562% gain in xp?

[nova ridge]

468% gain

562 xp point gain

[prisma ravine]

Well it would be 562+ 120 by the math no ?

562 is (120/320)*1500

Then add the 120 in for base xp if his math formula holds right

[swift crest]

its 468% gain

[nova ridge]

yes, which is 562 more points than you would've gotten, or 682 points total

[prisma ravine]

Okay fair minus the 120 but that seems really high for a value are we sure ?

[nova ridge]

you gotta divide by the original 120 for percents, not just 100

1500 is a high value

[swift crest]

1500 xp rating is crazy high

[prisma ravine]

That means high quality shirts that have high xp rating has huge value

[swift crest]

the highest novice shirt goes to 70

[prisma ravine]

Very possible though though as that are legendary values for crafting tailor shirts , pants and etc

[prisma ravine]

Look at Journaayman

[swift crest]

well yeah. leveling and scaling become easier post lv 10

for crafts

[nova ridge]

yeah, utilizing gear is going to be important for levelling efficiently for sure, but I wouldn't be surprised if the numbers get adjusted

[swift crest]

its getting to 10 that is rough

[prisma ravine]

So you have legendary journamany gear for crafting your 860k xp curve to 50 gets reduce by 460% roughly

That is huge especially for larger guilds as that saves massive rewards

[swift crest]

also I don't really know if this holds up at higher levels. that equation is one of the only ones i could make work with the numbers i had

[nova ridge]

sort of, it's still an unrealistic number to look at for now

because to get an craft journeyman gear, you have to be basically current max level, so it wont help you level

and it wont help your guildies level either, because you need to be journeyman to wear it too

[prisma ravine]

Sure but journamany to master

It gives you an idea of how to suppress the xp curve

[nova ridge]

and by the time they introduce master, the whole system will look different

[prisma ravine]

Regardless knowing that XP rating adds a high value to suppressing the curve needed is very important

[pliant crown]

they also could just make master and grandmaster exp rates super crazy where you need those xp gear

[nova ridge]

which I know they want GM to be an achievement

[frigid lynx]

wish i could hit anything other than novice nodes, i think on dec20 when all servers are reset and nodes level 8x slower everyone else will be feeling it too not just the new server pop, when it takes 2 months just for people to get apprentice tools

[nova ridge]

I mean 8X a few hours is still only a day or two, node construction isn't going to be significantly harder, so I don't see it taking any longer than it did the first time to get apprentice tools

[untold mauve]

I’ve seen a few people say this now. Where was it announced that nodes will be leveling 8x slower?

[flint patio]

thats stupidly slow

making things extremely slow doesnt make the game more hardcore

it seems they have this in mind a lot

[summer elk]

In one of the streams they said that only a few people will be grandmaster on the server and they will be known. If that is still what they are planning, they will have to make leveling professions much slower or more difficult in some other ways, or at least in higher level. Since some people are already master in some professions (gathering) while it may seem slow, it actually speeds up with xp boosting stuff and if you can get to master by playing a few weekends only, that's definitely not what they initially said they want

[opaque phoenix]

I wanna be vicar of some swamp. Not sure if that relates to artisanship but

[dusky viper]

Quick question, can you make artisan tools with differing rarities ? Like a rare or epic pickaxe

I tried mixing some mats when making my apprentice tools and it didnt make any difference

[woeful kestrel]

Yes

There's a weighted system. If you use all the same rarity, you'll get that rarity. Mix and match and it'll be based on luck and lowest rarity

[dusky viper]

Ooooh, the luck thing makes sense

Cheers

[woeful kestrel]

Gear has bonuses that can increase the outcome too

[dusky viper]

Good to know, thanks 😛

[blazing field]

I've asked this here a few times and people have said no, but...

can you trade gathering equipment? The Wiki says "yes", but people have disagreed😄

Also - does the xp bonuses of equipment and skilling clothes also increase your characters xp received from the said gathering activity or just the skill XP?

I've got a mad plan cookin' for P2.

[tame mortar]

Currently it not possible to trade the gathering tools

[woeful kestrel]

As of right now, no. But come P2, when they implement the actual TS setup, yes.

[blazing field]

Okay, good to know! If it is there from the get go in P2 that'd be golden

But the artisan clothes are already tradeable, right?

[tame mortar]

You get both exp for your character and for the activity you are doing. Like mining a rock will give you mining exp and character exp

[blazing field]

What if I have items that multiply xp, like the crafting outfits? I know they increase crafting xp but do they also increase character xp from mining.

[tame mortar]

That I don't know, but the item will say what type of exp you are getting a bonus to. So likely it will only be that type

Also expecting artisan clothing to be tradeable, but I have not seen any of those pieces in game yet (outside of the ones you can get at the npc vendors)

[merry grove]

The artisan shirts are definitely traitable I've done it multiple times

[heady oracle]

when wearing an artisan outfit. Its under your armor. I helps with that profession . also you get for example mining exp plus normal. when mining. I wear a hunting because im hoping for a better chance at a rare drop. It increases your chances a small bit. Hunt a horse and maybe a blue drop. this is buy able on day one.

Nothing seems bound to your character. so hand me downs are possible. But when you process items it cost money so pick what you wwant to work on and trade your stuff you dont want to process. sell raw items are really cheap processing you sell for more. BUT.. It cost money and time to do...

I have spent the past weekend learning all this crap! and it was fun so..

[olive bobcat]

artisan gear does not increase class xp, only profession xp

[blazing field]

Damnit! Half of my plan got foiled

Actually - no it didn't really. They still increase your speed of gathering/processing/whatnot, and that then technically leads to more xp. Plan is still goin' hard.

[inner gulch]

Does anyone know how much the rarity of the materials put into the t2 gathering tools affects outcome? Trying to make the t2 hunting bow legendary, we have legendary copper frag and the linen thread, but don't know if we need to get the 20 western larch to all legendary or can we use blue and still get it?

[olive bobcat]

if youre only using a 1 tier disparity, its fairly easy to figure out. once you start mixing in 2+ tier disparity, it gets hard. so, for something like a pickaxe that has 21 total mats needed you would need at least 11 legendary mats and 10 epic mats to make a legendary pickaxe. id need to test it, but id assume youd need to add one more legendary for every tier you went down from epic. so something like 17 legendary, 4 rare.

theres also variability within each tier, so you wont get a max legendary unless you only use legendary mats. of course, this only applies to gathering gear as gear made in a crafting profession can have its quality boosted through scroll or equipment modifiers.

[vague coyote]

I've just been lurking and digesting these chats after I've seen how broken crafting is
Crafting guilds are the captains now

[gusty oracle]

Iv got the basics of crafting but I don't see any reason to put alot of time Into it at the moment as it has loads of missing systems.

[summer elk]

I'm on the other side, have legendary larch but not copper. I am not sure which rarity should affect crafting a tool. For crafting in general there is quality mechanic, but for crafting a tool, I don't know if anything affects it because there are no quality ratings for gathering professions

[gusty oracle]

I'm still trying to decide what I want to focus on in phase 2. I can get 4 to journeyman I'm thinking. Mining, smelting, stonemasonry and ither weapon or armour smith.

Or do I just got mining, smelting herbalism, hunting and just feed a crafting alt

I just don't have enough info. How is furniture going to work, are potions and food going to be worth it? What are the prices going to be like? What about enchanting? I just need more info

[vagrant veldt]

Keep your legendary stuff for an armor, a weapon, but not for artisan tool. Look at the differences between rare apprentice pickaxe and heroic ...
Mining speed rating and Mining quantity rating doesn't work, or I don't understand how it works. But it isn't worth imo

[vagrant veldt]

Don't think too much, it's an alpha, a lot of things are going to change. Just look for something you want to do and try to do it. It's a game, have fun ^^

[olive bobcat]

quantity works, it just doesnt work well. i agree with it not being worth it, though. just upgrade to a rarity that has high enough durability you can finish a run without the tool breaking.

[vagrant veldt]

like uncommon is enough I think, but as you can get a lot of rare loot, if you have enough, you can go rare

[vagrant veldt]

How does it works ? Instead of 5 basalt or can get 7 or something like this ?

[olive bobcat]

its a +1. so, small nodes will go from 2 to 3 and large nodes will go from 5 to 6.

[vagrant veldt]

ok, I will try to check it this week end, Didn't see this last we

[vague coyote]

the reason is very simple
its broken

but the bottlenecks are very real

[gusty oracle]

Well its not the focus of phase 1 and they still have alot of stuff to add like skill trees, repair, recipies, alternative ingredients and so on.

Hopefully we will get an idea next week on what they plan to add for phase 2

[summer elk]

it depends on the quantity, if the quantity is low, then you will get +1 on every n-th gather, if it's higher, you will get on every gather, sometimes even +2 or more

[olive bobcat]

i havent seen a 7, yet, even with a max legendary pickaxe. has someone else seen this?

[summer elk]

Haven't seen it yet, I think we need much more of quantity rating for it, high rarity pylons, shirts, pants

[swift crest]

one thing to add here, is that higher tier mats carry more weight, especially legendary. so for example with the pickaxe, if you had all epic materials and swapped in a legendary mold, you could probably use ~4-5 heroic copper and still get an epic tool.

where as if you had all uncommon and changed something to rare, it would be closer to a 1:1 trade off

you can see that with the range of the main stat, ie the blue pickaxe has a range of 66 XP rating

where legendary has 137

[opaque phoenix]

lol mt

[olive bobcat]

interesting. i havent done as much testing with higher rarity mats yet, but when i was swapping common-rares in and out i just didnt see any kind of weighting. every combo pretty much looked like a 1:1 avg of mats.

[swift crest]

wasn't really noticible until i added legendary mats in the mix

i did make a heroic pickaxe with 1 epic, 17 heroic, 3 rare mats

helpful to know for some recipes where you are stuck using an uncommon grem skin. that shit is so hard to find rare+

[tribal lotus]

Yeah, definitely want to use the legendary materials when possible for crafting gathering tools. The extra XP and Rarity is a must.

[cobalt dawn]

any ideea if they fixed the storage? lost a full storage worth of stuff and then i was afraid to do more farming

[opaque phoenix]

They said something about addressing the duping which I think was linked to storage bugs but nothing specific about storage eating things (I never experienced that but never had money to upgrade storage either)

[cobalt dawn]

i lost the basic storage, not the extra one

just went poof 🙂

[opaque phoenix]

Was it in Lionhold?

[tribal lotus]

Is there a storage vendor in Lionhold or was it Samia's Hope?

[merry grove]

Have I been looking in the wrong place to find copper or are the spawn rates too low?

I've found about 3 times as much zinc as I have copper

[cobalt dawn]

yeah

copper is rare and with so many people farming it is super rare

[fading stump]

reason why people find more zinc as well is i guess some people cant differentiate tin and zinc as easy as copper and iron and just walk past the zinc so others find more of it

[merry grove]

I saw some cave openings northeast of Johva.

[pliant crown]

you might be onto something, i kept finding zinc last weekend but not copper or rubies

they are really easy for me to identify now 💀 staring at them too long

[merry grove]

Has anyone been down there to see what's up with it?

[pliant crown]

do you mean the bear cave?

its got named npcs but not ores

unless that was changed recently (ptr specifically) was there on sunday

[fading stump]

theres the ursine caves and the wolf cave next to it which is just filled with wolves and a glint chest

[pliant crown]

oh that wolf cave had mushrooms in it with the text calling it a type of mushroom

it was kinda funny

[merry grove]

I was out killing minotaurs North East of Johva and saw 2 large sinkholes going deep into the ground.

[pliant crown]

i assume it was an unimplemented herbalism gatherable

ahh yea it is that alpha wolf cave, i think there was a couple of ores in it [jumped in there a few weeks ago] and a chest i couldnt open i think

and those mushrooms i thought it was funny

it said the name of whatever was sopposed to be there instead of the object itself

dont know if that changed havent been back

[merry grove]

Does the copper have its own spawning locations or does it share spawns with the stone?

[astral tulip]

How do you get higher rarity thread? Can you increase the rarity on Droppings somehow? Or, just get lucky and kill lots of animals?

[fading stump]

both, some static spawns that change every 24 hrs then theres dynamic nodes that can respawn as anything and share spots with stones.

[merry grove]

So there's really no practical way to set up a mining route

[fading stump]

you can have your routes but you wont always find the ores in the same spots, its also why you should be mining out granite and basalt you see as other ores can spawn there

so find a route thats got lots of ores / stones on it and mine it out and then at the end go in reverse to find fresh spawned stuff

[merry grove]

Or make a loop🤔

[fading stump]

that too

the route i use i just reverse / change the start point slightly and with how long the route is stuff is usually back

[summer elk]

I also made heroic, used legendary wood, legendary mold and rare fragments. Hoped for epic but rare was just too low

[fading stump]

pretty sure the main material has a higher weight / effect on the final tier, im doing tests to figure out weights of everything this weekend

[merry grove]

Does the rarity of fuel have any effect?

[pliant crown]

in the crafting window it will say which items effect item rarity

[vagrant veldt]

Here are the best locations I found for mining, I usually find 1 to 5 copper / zinc rocks in every zone, unless someone got there a few time ago.
Do you have other spots ?

[fading stump]

which servers that as the winstead goblin basalt pond on my server always only has basalt, no matter how much its mined out

[gusty oracle]

Problem with sharing spots is they become harder for you to mine.

[vagrant veldt]

These spots are already known from the ones who are farming ores ^^

[swift crest]

honestly copper /zinc are all over the place. if you open the codex map and turn on all mining nodes, pretty much any place where there are overlapping squares is good. no shortage of those places.

[gusty oracle]

Also the trick is not to just mine copper but mine everything since alot of them share spawns. There is sn area I usually mine then on my 2nd sweep is usually when I get copper...

[vagrant veldt]

If it can help the ones that are starting the game and doesn't want to do like, walking for3 hours in each and every spot of the spot, hopping to find some rocks by luck

[vagrant veldt]

Copper is really rare here, I find some at night when there is nobody on the server ^^, a lot of people is passing by, coming back from highway men hills

[pliant crown]

i think when the gathering speed tools work in a noticable way this will happen more

[gusty oracle]

One of the main reasons I'm playing on the US server despite living in the UK is to gather during low pop

[vagrant veldt]

Oh I didn't know there was a map like that. I will try to check locations this week end thanks

[pliant crown]

im hopeful recipe drop rates are increased during phase 2

[swift crest]

its a bit of a mess with all the zones that are marked but still pretty useful

for example

[gusty oracle]

I'm sad they nerfed my bugged out wolf respawn point to train my hunting... alas I was a good tester and reported the instantly respawning wolf

[pliant crown]

cause although it cant be easily used right now it'd be fun to have my storage full of them again

i have a bunch of recipees rn from solo leveling though

[gusty oracle]

I think there will be other ways to get them rather than just drops. Dismantle and experiments will probably be a thing in phase 2

What's everyone's plans on what professions they are going to get to journeyman?

[olive bobcat]

mining, metalworking, weapon smithing, stonemason

[gusty oracle]

Same. Though I might swap weapon Smith with armour

[tribal lotus]

Well, phase 2 is 5 days a week for 5 months so I'll try for all of them. lol

[gusty oracle]

Depending on the storage sharing situation Is depending on what I decide to do.

[vagrant veldt]

SOmeone in my guild made a gdoc containing the jobs to master in order to be able to make all the stuff needed (it's in french)

[pliant crown]

it depends on what they do for crafting, if its still 2k+ main item for novice tier on some of the professions with same gathering/spawn rates i may not really try

[pliant crown]

i like grinding but i dont enjoy grinding when sometimes you make almost no progress in an hour vs you always make progress but need a lottt

[gusty oracle]

I hope they keep it hard to level. But with a bigger map and more spread out players gathering should balance itself abit better

[pliant crown]

i think the way wood stuff works where you need thousands is good cause there is a lot of trees to work with so its just about spending the time doing it

i dont currently like how they have ores balanced vs professions for example

[gusty oracle]

I feel there won't be a shortage of wood cutters

I'm not sure how effective potions and food will be though. They seem to require alot for minimal benefits

[pliant crown]

there is a number of ways for them to approach how to go about the balance they just havent tried anything so im unsure of what the plan is

yea its not a lot for how... annoying it could be to get but like gathering is nice, fishing obviously will get an active mode at some point but the way you go about it i like

processing is monetarily unbalanced but overall its alright to me (although cooking needs to get moved to crafting since it has recipees)

[vagrant veldt]

How many nodes did tehey planned to implement ? I remembered something like 70 ?

[pliant crown]

i dont remember tbh i want to say it was between 50-70 range but not too many level 5 ones

[vagrant veldt]

Yeah but imagine there is currently 5 nodes, imagine this map * 35. I think don't think we will lack of resources ^^

[fading stump]

85 nodes + 15 castle nodes, 5 end up being metros

[pliant crown]

i cant base it off future speculation since there isnt anything to base it on, in theory an area being lush with just rocks and ores but minimal everything else can work for that but we arent at that staage of the game, i just want proof of concepts

[gusty oracle]

Also with player shops and auction houses trading should be easy in theory

[pliant crown]

yea since i gathered 2 random nodes, may as well put it up for sale kind of things

[crisp umbra]

Finally figured out why AOC crafting seemed strange. There's no granularity within the levels. A Novice can make any thing in the Novice class. In most games, there is a progression of items. The more you advance, the more items that you can make. I would have expected that, say a Carpenter Novice+0% would be able to make any Oak Copper bow, but you need to get to Novice+20% to make an Ash Copper bow and maybe Novice+40% for a Western Larch bow, etc. Same with crates. A one slot Oak Crate at 0%, 3 slot Ash Crate at 20%, etc. This would give you some incentive to advance though Novice or at least some feeling of accomplishment while grinding away. Just mt 2cp.

[nova ridge]

they haven't added in the artisan skill trees yet, which will definitely add that level to level feeling of progression

[opaque phoenix]

They don't really have the functional artisan system in game we should see that next phase is my understanding

It's just there for now to have something to do and imagine have basic systems that needed testing to see how we could break them that they hadn't done already

[tight cedar]

When you did that, did it tell you what rarity it was going to make before hand?

[pseudo mortar]

yes, it normally does

Once you've slotted all the items it will display what stats it will be crafted at. You're not pressing craft and praying to RNGesus unless you've got quality boosting gear on, but you'll at least see what the minimum you'll make is

[tight cedar]

Alchemy, Herbalism, Cooking focused right now. Right now the cooking recipes are very easy to make and are kinda busted. Increased 20 physical for 60 minutes. Very easy basic recipe to make. So if things get better than that as I level up - I will be walking around with significant buffs at all times.

[tight cedar]

Gotcha, because this is my second character I am testing out - my first one did animal husbandry and that was just 'chuck it in and hope for the best' sort of artisan

[pseudo mortar]

ugh, animal husbandry is painful

They did tell me the xp gains from crafting a mount is not their intended amount but who knows when they'll adjust it

every other craft gets like 2500xp per 30min craft vs 500 for animal husbandry...on top of the 55s+ cost

[frigid haven]

Thinking Alchemy, Scribing, and I'm really curious about Arcane Engineering. Need to level up mining though as I need Rubies for several recipes lol

[pseudo mortar]

Mining would go well with all 3 of those, tbh

You'll be able to take those 4 to journeyman together, at least

[glacial helm]

Yeah, I think by the time the game launches you are going to need a freehold to process animals into mounts. At this point they need it to be painful or everyone will have an epic mount, and no one will be testing anything else.

[pseudo mortar]

I would like to be able to craft them in multiples at least

queue up 5-10 so I don't need to drop everything every 30 min to start the next one

[glacial helm]

You can't always get what you want...🎶

[pseudo mortar]

it's why I switched to carpentry so I can make caravans

and if I do make a new cleric this weekend, they'll likely be arcane engineering

[glacial helm]

I need the artisan system to get a little easier, I'm too easily distracted.

[pseudo mortar]

I'm off to sleep, good luck out there tomorrow

[frigid haven]

Have a good one!

[glacial helm]

You too

[opaque phoenix]

December 20th it'll be more of the intended system I think, I wanna do scribing but not sure I'd make much progress in this build

[tight cedar]

Yea really its so out of tune that I just gave up on it. Clearly not meant to actually progress on it in P1

[frigid haven]

I'm gonna try it out so I at least have an idea of how it works

[pliant crown]

rn you need 2k rubies and process them x2 in alchemy to level scribe unless your server has the npc that sells apprentice scribe exp scroll and you got rare or better novice scribe shirt

[opaque phoenix]

I'm off work starting monday for surgery and then the extended uptime Thanksgiving Weekend (thanks Fuppo!) and then it's ruby time

[frigid haven]

Oh dang

[frigid haven]

Hope the surgery goes well!

[opaque phoenix]

Me too, they're doing ulnar and carpal release on my dominant hand as a trial before my other hand and it'll maybe restore some of my hand sensation and coordination and make typing involve less backspacing 😄

[frigid haven]

Probably a dumb question, but is there a certain mining level you have to be for harvesting gems like ruby, sapphire, etc.?

[opaque phoenix]

SO my pickaxe was broken and I thought ruby came up as unharvestable and ignored them from the first weekend on - turns out they're level 1 basic gatherable. The other ones are beyond novice tools and will say when you attempt to grab them.

[frigid haven]

Ohh interesting! Maybe mine was broken at the time too and I just didn't notice. Thanks!

[opaque phoenix]

I walked past literaly hundreds and hundreds of rubies because I didn't check them again assuming they were next tier

[summer elk]

Yes it did

[summer elk]

I saw someone posted heroic pickaxe with 305 xp rating, mine has 350, so it probably at the edge to being epic

[cobalt dawn]

is that xp raiting a flat increase? if i would get 160 xp with the common pickaxe now i get 350 or 160+350?

[summer elk]

It isn't, we are not sure of the exact formula, but there are assumptions. I had total 360 exp rating, that gave me 2.11x base exp

But all xp rating is additive, you just add everything equipped

[lost pond]

got a question since i have been doing much gathering. how hard is it to get 20 legendary logs? like impossible hard or grindy hard?

[desert skiff]

I would say that depends on your luck

if you have my luck... never lol.

like 8k wood harvested, most western larch and I have yet to pull up 20 epic larch.

picking flowers or whacking minerals.. well that is a totally diff story

get a high rarity return on those quite often

but I know others who have gotten plenty of legendary wood so ymmv

just don't be cursed lol

[lost pond]

holy fuck then. i do consider myself lucky but i dont know

[lost pond]

this is such a true statement. when i played archeage, one character i had was definitely cursed. insanely cursed

[vagrant veldt]

Cut western larch wood next to the spawn point (south, south east), there is legendary wood every 5 - 10 minutes, the rest is rare, epic or heroic

The rarity of a resource can depend on the location you are gathering it I think from what I understand from the wiki

The location a resource is found can affect its benefits, bonuses, and other characteristics of that resource

[desert skiff]

Hmm wonder if that is the case. I tend to hang out on the edge of the world looking for adult trees since our server is pretty much always deforested and the trees grow so slow.

I mean I am not sure all of that listed in the wiki for resources is even up and running at this point. Much of it is barebones atm

[lost pond]

and where would i find weeping willows, does anyone know? :>

[desert skiff]

-=posts a map of the riverlands=- Around there...

https://tenor.com/view/skeletor-running-away-run-away-running-away-laughing-laughing-gif-21904123

[summer elk]

I got 10 legendary larch on my first day of gathering them, and then got another 5 legendary and 5 epic next week, it's all luck

[summer elk]

they are everywhere but you will mostly find 1 at a time, sometimes 2 but rarely

[lost pond]

Gotcha! Will definitely try and be on the lookout this weekend, thanks for the reply

[safe halo]

So are master skills simply not available or do we just not know how they work yet? And be we I mean I.
Specifically the fact that I can upgrade to master fishing but that I get no experience or fish from it.

[grand mortar]

I'm under the impression that the cap is journeyman rn because of the level cap of 25

could be wrong tho

[inner gulch]

would master require a t4 node building then?

[inland delta]

Sorry i have not been following this channel but have they talked about the fact that there is no wool pickable in the wild for makeing wool thread unlike flax for linen thread and only one vendor sold the wool seeds to be crafted on a farming table for leatherworking not sure if tailoring need wool thread or not. but for a starting crafting blueprint kinda sucks for leatherworking

[cobalt dawn]

imo i feel like woold should be getting from sheep no?

[inland delta]

@cobalt dawnpicked or sheared one of the two i was thinking cotten tho : )

[glacial helm]

I was going to test artisanship and node building this week end but given the PvP stuff they have added this weekend and the huge rewards/penalties they have given for PvP, testing PvE seems a little futile. Trying to conduct commerce in the midst of a all out 24/7 war isn't sensible or rewarding. The lack of activity in this channel should concern Intrepid.

[stray snow]

Has anyone gotten any blueprints for better than novice tailoring gear? just wondering what the material usage is like later on. As of now, it seems farming flax/linen is how you level it to 10. Wondering if I should be looking for anything else

[brittle wraith]

you will get new recipes from the textille mill.

[opaque phoenix]

I ran into several in one place towards the level 20+ mobs when I got lost exploring at level 12

Again, just reading the testing outline the crafting isn't really implemented or part of the test.

[merry grove]

We are going to do our best to move forward with crafting and economy anyway despite all of the hardship. You are very welcome to join. We are on Resna
https://discord.gg/r99hx9se

Does anyone know if the 2 grand master professions that we can have are included in the 3 master professions or if we can have a total of 5 master and above professions

[vagrant veldt]

You can have a total of 5 jobs above novice (2 GM, 1 M, 1 J, 1 A)

[merry grove]

Thank you very much that's exactly what I needed to know

[blazing field]

If you scroll up you'll see that my response comes out of someone's mouth about thrice a day:

Artisanship is not the focus of A2P1. In P1 artisanship is basically just a barebones placeholder. Artisanship will be given much more attention in P2. This is not an oversight, this is not a mistake, this is a deliberate choice to let them focus on critical stuff in P1. Let Interpid cook 🥧

[glacial helm]

Well I don't know how you think progression is going to work without artisanship. As an extreme view, I don't see the purpose or the point of artisanship at all in the game at this point. Right now the only point of the PvE content in the game is so that something exists for PvP players to steal and destroy. This is the mistake New World and Archeage made. Testing progression (which is in phase1) by testing regression, seems backwards to me.

[inner gulch]

artisans still make the best gear at end game right now iirc. the firebrand sword recipe is DISGUSTING

its just not really filled in for the rest of the game up to max

[glacial helm]

Right, but if all the PvE content is locked behind PvP, what is the point in making the sword? Is a mainly PvP player going to invest the amount of time required to make the sword? Does that PvP player care about that?

[inner gulch]

its a pvx game, you gotta be willing to do both pvp and pve

[glacial helm]

100% agree, but right now there is no incentive to PvE, it contains all the time investment risk and none of the reward.

[inner gulch]

im not so sure what you mean. PVE gives glint, equipment, materials and recipes. have you not seen what drops in the end game spots currrently?

carphin max lvl shit is crazy

pvp death is only gona drop part of your glint and materials, so its still worth doing

[opaque phoenix]

Currently artisanship doesn't even have skill trees so it would be equivalent to not having class skills or passives just a couple spells autoassigned at different levels. I see in Phase 1 those things are just there, I see in the next phase Artisanship skill trees and more of the artisan-adjacent systems to modify player equipment and abilities introduced.

[glacial helm]

Right, but to succeed in PvE content, you have to (as an individual) go through PvP. I don't see the same need in order to succeed in PvP content (as an individual). I think the planned artifact system, and the planned repair system, show that (as a team) PvP players will be dependent on PvE players as vice versa, but I do think testing how that works progression-wise 1-50 , is important, because if you don't (as a node) progress artisans with adventuring, either levelling adventuring will become impossible, or adventurers will have a 3 month wait at level 50 waiting for the artisans to catch up, or none will ever catch up.

[inner gulch]

to succeed in pvp you need gear. when the game rolls out there wont be as many static gear drops so you will have to support both sides of the coin to get ahead in the actual game

[opaque phoenix]

I saw the snippet in the wiki that you might be referencing whether to allow artisans to level to 50 without having to pve but it seems to have been decided to stop it at 30 was that for the duration of the alpha/beta phase I don't recall which article or interview it was referencing.

[glacial helm]

Yep, I realize that is the intent, but you don't think testing that is important?

[inner gulch]

oh i never said it wasn't but we just arent in that part of the alpha yet

thats p2 and p3

the biggest part of p1 is just to make sure we can get a bunch of people to do the barebones systems in place before adding a bunch of extra stuff

[glacial helm]

You don't think gear progression falls under progression?

[vagrant veldt]

@glacial helm why do you bother so much on the point of doing something ? It is a game, have fun. If you don't like craft, just don't craft, but stop crying of something that is not implemented for a specific reason

[inner gulch]

im not sure why you are hammering so hard on pedantics. we have less than a month before they actually impliment it. you want them to drop everything to fit in too much things ahead of time?

just be patient its coming

[glacial helm]

Well, I predict we will have to wipe many times to get progression right if we don't test it now. maybe we will have a few weeks at the end of P2 where we wipe a lot, who knows?

[inner gulch]

remember they also have PTR rolling during the week to test things out with the Alpha 1 testers, so intrepid is getting really good data from that too

[glacial helm]

Yeah, I respect that answer. So maybe just enjoy the PvP and don't sweat it! I'll leave artisanship alone.

[primal torrent]

I hope they get a viable market system in the Alpha soon, crafting is a pain right now because finding buyers and sellers of materials is futile at the moment. Getting this in game sooner than later will up the testing and gear output of the crafting system.

[stoic verge]

Phase two is suppose to bring in player stall type market I think.... will see

[primal torrent]

I would hope they test it prior to that but maybe its something that hasn't even been developed yet, if that is the case it is concerning.

[inner gulch]

im excited for the bazaars to pop off. runescape back in the day selling stuff on world 1 or 2 was iconic. little nooks and crannies in cities had specialty items and you some under ground areas for lesser known stuff

[fading stump]

steven did say the market stalls are a priority in progress, prob wont see it till start of P2 tho

[primal torrent]

I am a SWG and Eve crafting nut job so I want to dive into it head first, it is just very sluggish right now due to the lack of trade

[inner gulch]

check if your server has an unofficial discord. we have one for vyra and you can trade on there for specific stuff

[blazing field]

How does one currently level up tailoring? What is the best items to craft for levelling and how to efficiently get their materials?

And same for leatherworking

[pliant crown]

basically tailor uses mostly flax threads, so you can wander around some of the flower fields and find flax now and then or kill animal mobs for poop and farm flax to turn into thread with a minor amount of hunting grem -> leather
and leatherworking is kinda reverse in resources

i havent specifically tested them but thinking on it i have like 300ish flax atm i doubt that would get me to level 10 in tailoring but something i can always test sometime this weekend

see if it is as bad as the arcane enginerring/scribe needing 2k minimum of their primary resource

[flint patio]

has anyone made a farming calculator yet that gives u the raw gatherables needed to craft ur stuff?

[pliant crown]

its not really a "calculator" as much as trusting the ashes codex site is matching up with what im seeing, and from my in game item comparisons to what it has it seems to line up every time https://ashescodex.com/db/tables

[flint patio]

yeah i didnt mean this i meant like putting in a bronze spellbow

and it spits out all the resources u need without having to go down the chain and add it all up

[pliant crown]

stuff like that probably wouldnt get made until they have a more complete artisan system

i mean they were saying something like how much exp left till said level and can it list me what i need to get together kind of thing

at least i assumed thats what they meant

[balmy ingot]

ah, you were not replying to cleric

I misunderstood, apologies

[deep wolf]

Whats that from?

[balmy ingot]

my own thingie, it's not online

[mystic zodiac]

does anyone know if down the line we'll have "artisan" bank bags?

[ocean sparrow]

where or what building is needed to craft apprentice hunting bow?

[mystic zodiac]

cookhouse

[bleak zealot]

So I am guess us Apprentice Jewelcrafters are SOL trying to craft anything apprentice?

[mystic zodiac]

why?

[inner gulch]

has anyone been able to find oathbeared at his spawn caves?

[civic wave]

where can you learn artisan gathering?

sorry apprentice*

[inner gulch]

gotta find where the t2 building is on your server

[civic wave]

thank you

[mystic zodiac]

do you guys have the apprentice mining pikcaxe doing rarity quantity?

those are the only two i have

(i bought the second from the mining vendor next to the stonemasonery)

[stray snow]

whats warp used for? as a tailor do I want to craft warp at all or focus on fibers?

also this whole stash situation is kinda annoying. Lionhold is holding everything for me because thats where the crafting vendors are near. None of the nodes have crafting vendors

[mystic zodiac]

what a good time to get the +1 from quantity rating

[stark smelt]

where do you get apprentice gathering tools?