alpha-two-artisan-chat

[neat salmon]

how do you all make money ?

[rain rain]

Sweet ty. btw I have this thing I'm working on for anyone wanting an interactive map.

https://r-hiland.github.io/AshesofNotation/

[void spade]

how are yall grindning droppings?

[spark dirge]

This is the animal husbandry place I've tried talking to everyone there but no luck

[pliant crown]

as far as i know its the onyl way

but may as well kill like level 2 grems for super spam

[delicate jetty]

Has anyone found any area on the map they have decent success with rubies? I feel they're impossibly difficult to find. I get that everyone mines them on sight but the spawnrate does feel low

[pliant crown]

as far as i can tell they have the same spawn chance as copper and zinc

the only reason you dont hear about it as much is it is mostly used for hp potions [lmao] and scribing which isnt for gear

[delicate jetty]

Ive seen copper and zinc way more frequently. Yeah I understand that they're using in a lot of general stuff like potions which means they're be mined-on-sight

but i would be stretched to believe its the same spawn change at copper / zinc. Perhaps once people are higher and can mine the higher tier ore, it'll start to populate those spots more with rubies etc

[pliant crown]

no idea personally, i saw in my servers global that it is used in some sort of pvp guild thing?

[delicate jetty]

they are used by scribes to make 180 minute stat buffs which I guess will be high value

[hard apex]

are apprentice tools in the game yet?

[devout hedge]

Where does one craft a bow ?

[velvet badge]

if you cancel do you get you mat back? example if i am tyring to the mount but get the beast of burden can i cancle and try again?

[fervent wind]

Why is Zinc and Copper so hard to find??? Flowers everywhere ... Trees Everywhere. Zinc and Copper... once an hour I'll run across one while walking the world

[hard apex]

ive cancled once cause i started the wrong rarity and it gave me back the animal but ate the money

[velvet badge]

thank you!

[pliant crown]

carpentry table

[pliant crown]

depending on the server if they have an apprentice station you can then craft the tool

[velvet ginkgo]

When in the processing flow, does the artisan gear you're wearing matter? When placing the order? When claiming the order? Both?

[violet siren]

most of the processing gear is broken and doesn't do anything

[cloud shell]

I really really wish they would allow for active processing in addition to the afk processing so we can smash out one item at a time with a mini game.

[cedar nimbus]

where can I train lumberjack at?

near new aela pref

[cloud shell]

And they should remove the limitations on the processing tied to amount and quality. let me process a custom number of any rarity in the same queue. Its much too much busy work having to run back and baby this system.

[devout hedge]

i have yet to see one carpentry table, is there one in briar farms?

[cloud shell]

go to a t3 node.

oh looks like they all hit t3

er.. on my server nvm.

[jovial relic]

I started the Artisan journey. I am a lil lost on the hunting. How do I start that?

[cloud shell]

white name monsters that you walk up and pet until it dies or gives you a tamable version of it. wolves, grem, bears and the cats i think are what you can time right off the bat.

tame*

oh ravens too

[fathom valve]

anybody know where to find copper?

[jovial relic]

Thanks. where is best placce to start?

[cloud shell]

ehhh i cant really say just try to wander around to find where a mob spawns, then search near it for the huntable version

[desert skiff]

Any idea how fast trees grow? Seeing all these adolecent trees is getting annoying

[cloud shell]

theres a literal forest of adult ash trees by windstead on my server.

[desert skiff]

Ok now do Western Loach, very few adult trees

I can find plenty of adolescent

rarity drops from trees are horrible enough, getting 2 when it finally procs sucks more

[cedar nimbus]

where is the herbalism trainer?

[delicate jetty]

Is anyone finding any way to make a silver profit from granite and basalt? I want to keep processing it for stonemason exp but idk which craft to choose

[left parrot]

No, it loses money

[royal stream]

any chance we are getting crafting from storage in nodes?

[woeful kestrel]

There's a chance, but I'd imagine it might be more limited to guild houses or freeholds

[coral bloom]

They've said that will be a part of the game, it's in the Wiki. Not sure if you mean EVER or soon.

[strong storm]

Spent a really long time farming Heroic Basalt + Oak + Copper to make tools. It was very much not worth it, the speed rsting increase is either not actually working kr negligible

[burnt knoll]

where do I go to study herbalism and alchemy

[delicate jetty]

Does the selling price of an item change with the rarity? So an uncommon crafted material would be worth more than one of common martial ?

[tepid vine]

yes it effects the price

[woven stone]

Nw of lionhold. Lookup ashes codex map

[molten moon]

They share the same spawns with other ores so stuff needs to be mined for it to be able to spawn. They really need to change it because it's nearly impossible to find copper.

[molten moon]

Go to a node then the corresponding bench / npc.

[hidden jolt]

Can someone tell me how can I get grem skin and cotton thread? Also, how do I start hunting?

[woeful kestrel]

Grem skin is just harvesting grems (have to have the bullseye target by them). That's how you start hunting also (entrance mobs are grems, spiders, wolves, and bears)

Oh, and horses, but you don't disect them - only trainable

Anyone know how to increase xp from here? I've got my apprentice cert, and it's listed, but the xp lock remains 😦

[hidden jolt]

I think you have to be lvl 10?

[woeful kestrel]

Yep. Am lvl 10 maxed

[hidden jolt]

maybe cause of Alpha theyve locked it?

[azure nacelle]

there's some npc in the world that upgrades you

i dunno where for lumber though

[rich hinge]

these job times need some work imo
https://i.imgur.com/C2AXRHS.png

this is WILD

and i cant have more than one job going at a time...rip

[woeful kestrel]

Crafting at the moment isn't about skill, but about a timesink 😦

[rich hinge]

yupp exactly

i could understand that kind of time for a T3-T5 item.... but a base mat is actually crazy

[woeful kestrel]

The only 'good' part about it atm is you can set it up and walk away, come back later and claim the goods

[rich hinge]

sure... but also only one job at a time is also terribad

[woeful kestrel]

Which to me is more of a commission crafting system than an actual crafting system

As is, here's the goods, someone craft me this - "I'll be back later..."

[rich hinge]

yupp and crafting a T4-5 item will take the better part of an IRL day

[woeful kestrel]

And yeah, with a commission system, only allowing one item at a time is horrible

[rich hinge]

you will need alts to get a good crafting team going

so put on 5 jobs at a time

with alts

[woeful kestrel]

But, gladly, crafting is only at a basic setup at the moment. They haven't really fleshed out their systems for it yet

[rich hinge]

ya for sure

there will be a skill tree and stuff i bet for crafting

that will give more slots and reduce times etc etc

i would hope that is

[woeful kestrel]

I hope so

[rich hinge]

we got time so no big deal just a pain atm haha

[elder matrix]

How do I go about getting an apprentice hunting bow?

[rich hinge]

you need a node in your town to have the upgraded workbenches and such

[woeful kestrel]

As in lvl 10+?

Yep, town needs an upgrade or as a lucky drop from higher lvl mobs

And sadly they're metal based crafting, which has been a tough skill to level based on the shortage of copper

[elder matrix]

What kind of levels we talking?

[woeful kestrel]

10+ should work

[elder matrix]

Grinding mobs it is!

[rich hinge]

i have also noticed that solo killing mobs have higher drop rates then groups

[elder matrix]

Yeah I’ve gotten almost no drops as most of my leveling has been grouped

[rich hinge]

yaaa same

[woeful kestrel]

That's been my experience also

[rich hinge]

they should not change fishing i love how afk it is hahaha

[hidden jolt]

Where is farm station? Im at Briarmoor farms but i don't see one

[rich hinge]

there isnt one there

one sec ill show you

it is there

[hidden jolt]

I see. Ty!!!

[rich hinge]

anytime

[woeful kestrel]

Has anyone found a semi decent (given the issues with nodes) farming loc for copper?

[rich hinge]

copper is found near the beach/ water mostly

[woeful kestrel]

I'll give it a look. Thx

[dapper hound]

any guides for getting into crafting?

[woeful kestrel]

What are you looking for? Just general info, or specific recipe stuff?

[rich hinge]

not really yet haha you can look at YT but its new for everyone

[rich hinge]

I can help with any questions you have

[dapper hound]

Just looking for general info on getting started beyond lionhold, nothing specific really

[woeful kestrel]

Once you do the intro crafting quest and get the horse, you'll find stations outside of LionHold on both the east and west (zoom in on the map and you'll see diamonds for the areas)

Like that area.

It's a queue system and you'll need a LOT of mats depending on what you are trying to craft though, so might need to hit up your gathering first or have someone supply you with mats

[dapper hound]

So I would for example take basalt over towards those areas to process

[woeful kestrel]

Correct. If you've got some basalt, you can turn that into multiple things (wpm or armor molds, dust, splinters, etc.) and those can then be used to craft further things

[open lodge]

hi all? does adolescent wood take 2 durability and adult just use 1. is that right or a bug

[dapper hound]

Awesome, appreciate that. Anything I should really be on the lookout for to maximize?

[woeful kestrel]

Might be the size of the tree, the amount of wood provided, or indeed a bug if all those variables are the same

[woeful kestrel]

Crafting/gathering in bulk will save you a LOT of time. You can craft something at a bench/station and walk away without losing the item, so feel free to do other stuff (harvest, etc...) in between

Try and get some bags soon as they'll definitely help out

[dapper hound]

very much appreciate that info

[woeful kestrel]

Anytime

[sweet holly]

Should an 'Uncommon' Fruit salad have teh same stats as a Common one? I tried to make an uncommon one and it was the same as a common one (not sure if a bug)

[woeful kestrel]

Not sure if there's upgrades for food in game atm. Think it's just base stuff only

[rustic viper]

Anyone know where we can make the Novie Mining and Woodsman Tools?

Only thing I've found is Herbalism Tools

[rose bronze]

u need a city building for it

on Shol server there will be in New Aela soon

[woeful kestrel]

Nope. For NOVICE tools, here....

[rustic viper]

Thanks! Let me see if I can figure out where that is on the map 🙂

[woeful kestrel]

Woodsman at the workshop indicated, and for mining, you see the pickaxe icon in the top left

East of Lionhold

Look for the water ring...that should give you a good point to start at

[rustic viper]

Near Briarmoor Farms?

[woeful kestrel]

Pretty much

[rustic viper]

awesome! Very much appreciated! Do you happen to know whether it requires Copper or Zinc?

[woeful kestrel]

Slightly bigger view 🙂

[rustic viper]

Thank you so much!

[woeful kestrel]

Don't quote me on exact quantity, but something around 10/20 oak timber, 1 basalt wpn mod, 10 copper frags....

[rustic viper]

The pain I always have is that I hardly ever have 10 of the same Tier of frags. I wish you could use a mix of them

[woeful kestrel]

Yeah, that'd be nice if you could down/up grade them somehow, but that may come later when they flesh out the crafting

[pliant crown]

it exists

[woeful kestrel]

🙂

[pliant crown]

its the green crystal alchemied, and more magic powder which isnt too difficult + whatever that npc paper

now gotta get more ruby gonna try making 100 crafts of rubies at once

[probably 50 tbh]

slowly getting a bunch of ruby

[rich hinge]

i have yet to find a ruby

i have found LOADS of saphires though

[pliant crown]

the sapphire is journeyman, the green version is apprentice, funny enough

[rich hinge]

yaaa but never found a ruby yet

[pliant crown]

oop

i for some reason found a bunch of them vs copper

so the decision was made that i will level scribe during this portion of alpha

[queen cedar]

how the hell do you have apprentice enchanting??

[woeful kestrel]

I'd say by the image that he got the scroll as a drop, but the red lettering should mean the skill is not there yet?

[patent oasis]

rarity increases capacity it seems 👍

[woeful kestrel]

Cool 🙂

[delicate jetty]

Does your level influence your chance at higher quality gathers? Or is it purely based on the tools used

[delicate jetty]

I was saying this a lot earlier

I've found in total 3 rubies and I need 5 per craft...

[woeful kestrel]

Atm, it's only tools used

[delicate jetty]

Rubies are novice gather so naturally they're being mined-on-sight so its harder to find them, but they definitely need to buff the spawn rate of them even considering this.

I also hate the fact its 1:1:1 ratio. Why does 1 ruby make 1 powder and then I need 5 to make a dang dye

but I think thats an issue with the entire craft system as they did say they havent balanced it all yet.

[delicate jetty]

thanks!

[woeful kestrel]

And correct - the tradeskill system is only bare-bones right now

[delicate jetty]

Its functional but not exactly optimal which is totally fine given this is an alpha

[patent oasis]

:3

[rustic viper]

Does the Tier of the Fuel have an effect on the Tier of the Product being Crafted? Or is it just the Tier of the ingredients?

[quiet charm]

Is the Rarity/Quantity stats working for others? Some of our tree choppers are suddenly swimming in higher tier mats

Oh we even have people with sub level 10 LJ finding tons of higher tier mats

Fees like something might have gone wrong

[patent oasis]

wtf

[gloomy barn]

where is it

[quiet charm]

Yes that was also my reaction

[thin moth]

can anyone tell me where i go to upgrade from novice to apprentice hunter?

[quiet charm]

At a Cookhouse in a node that has built it

Or at the novice station between lions hold and miraleth

[thin moth]

thanks! 🙂

[viral birch]

Where can i craft apprentice hunting bow ?

[delicate jetty]

Is there no metalworking station in miraleth?

[lean basalt]

How to get Honey Comb outside of buying it from Vendors?

[mortal cave]

I was wondering, whats the way to level up lumbermilling ? Weathered oak doesnt give xp, but thats the only thing i can process. Is there a reliable way to get uncommon weathered oak or is this system just still fucked ?

[wide portal]

Weathered oak isn't an actual resource, it's part of the "tutorial" (in many quotes). You need to move away from Lionhold or the other starting area and find work stations either at nodes or some smaller ones around the map

[mortal cave]

thanks I got that as well now, its just that wood like oak wood also tells you its processable at a novice station. Which was the confusing part for me. Thanks for the answer.

[wide portal]

Yeah it's quite confusing initially

Is it possible to go above apprentice gatherer/crafter currently? I know there's journeyman nodes around the world, just not sure if it's possible to become journeyman yet

[modest wedge]

Journeyman is the next Tier of Buildings above Apprentice I think so doubt we'll see them unless you can the whole of the server to contribute

[spark pond]

any towns have apprentice crafting benches yet?

[queen cedar]

depends on server, I know I've seen talk about a few in Arioch

[iron zodiac]

do u need to lvl metalworking to be able to smelt brass?

[left parrot]

Does anyone know what exactly I need to do to get a bigger caravan storage area? I bought a 3x2 commodity thinking I could put it in a crate and UHHHH nope

[left parrot]

if anyone has an apprentice pickaxe, could you let me know what the mats for it were? I’d like to stockpile them for whenever it shows up on my server

[summer elk]

since there is a limit to the professions we can level up, is there a reason why you would want to have crafting/processing professions on your main instead of having an alt that is used only for that and is just staying at a node while the main collects everything?

[modest wedge]

@left parrot

[left parrot]

Ty

[radiant dust]

will kill a few people for someone who can tell me what goes in the second slot in the enchant menu

[calm spoke]

How much better are the blue and higher artisan tools?

[neat sorrel]

How do I know when I can become and apprentice in a field?

[calm spoke]

When you hit lvl 10

Check this

[pliant crown]

it was the recipee drop, i have saved up like 400 rubies but idk if thats enough to even get close to 10

[queen cedar]

ahh

the one I'm baffled with atm is tanning - the shirt doesn't seem to give any bonus xp, and despite having processed hundreds of carcasses I'm still only lv2

[left parrot]

hundreds?

[queen cedar]

lv2 100% xp, but still.. xD

[left parrot]

and if you do one more it doesn’t go up? if so yeah that sounds glitched

[queen cedar]

gathering more atm, hoping I was just glitched for a while, or something, I've nearly hit lv10 hunting, it's crazy that processing so much of it is getting nowhere

[primal remnant]

Charm, but it's not required.

[calm spoke]

When you fail the enchant does the gear break or does it just fail

[primal remnant]

It will tell you when it has a chance to destroy/degrade. It starts at 6+ ish

[calm spoke]

If im after 120 of these, is there a place to craft them or does it need to be dropped as loot?

[queen cedar]

120?!

[calm spoke]

I needed the Sanctus one, not this

[radiant dust]

oh god thank you finally. what are charms? and how do I get my hands on them. figure they have somethign to do with the enchanted runes?

[queen cedar]

Arcane Engineering

[pliant crown]

this is how you make them

[rustic viper]

Where do we Enchant weapons/armor?

[pliant crown]

with enchanting scroll (novice) and lvl 1 gear can be enchanted with it, it just needs to be in your inventory and you just click on it in the list of possible items

you can buy the scroll from the npc i think it was like 3.5silver

[rustic viper]

Ahh, cool, so it's just the scroll then? I assume that the enchant is random? Can it fail?

[pliant crown]

or you can craft it with 5 rubies -> alchemy (ruby powder?) -> alchemy red ink + magical powder (snowdrop+dafodil)

yea its just a consumable item in your inventory

kinda like a ration

[rustic viper]

Cool, thanks!

[rustic viper]

How can I tell the Level of Armor/Weapons? I have Stalker armor

River Stalker

[pliant crown]

hmm it looked like it just did [item name] +1

i put the book i did it to in my sotrage when i head back can take picture

[rustic viper]

kk, thanks. And what is the Novice Enchanting Charm? does that work with the Scroll?

[rustic viper]

Hmm, only gives me my Tanner Shirt and a Copper Shortbow as choices. And it says "No Change 100%", no idea what that means 🙂

[pliant crown]

not sure why it says no change, but it just does +1 to each stat the item has

so if say it has 1 int on it

it makes it 2 int

but also the same if it has like +10 mana, it just makes it +11 mana

and the enchanting charm is for when the enchanting chance is below 100%

[rustic viper]

Thanks a lot for all the info!

[pliant crown]

i was thinking of making a few small things but it'll get lost eventually

[calm spoke]

Am I missing something or do I need a tier 3 bench to make a crappy bow from a tier 1 bench?

[left parrot]

That looks like a typo, wool thread is at novice

Wait no it isn’t. Yeah, looks like it. Cotton and linen are novice. Mb.

I would bug report that, seems unintended

[calm spoke]

[radiant dust]

OH i see, what are the enchanted runes for?

[queen cedar]

not entirely sure, maybe for higher tier, like apprentice+ ?

[pliant crown]

@queen cedar the rune is for an increased success rate

someone above said after like +6 does it go down from 100% and then you'd start using it

no idea on exacts

[radiant dust]

oh so you can only use the runes when its not 100%?

[pliant crown]

only worth when not 100

[queen cedar]

charms reduce the fail chance, haven't had the ability to use the river runes

[radiant dust]

I see, and are you familar with where the charm of faeful fortune is from?

@queen cedar bless astolfo btw

[pliant crown]

river runes and stuff like it are for unique recipees the mobs can drop like the above picture of the sanctus shortbow

[queen cedar]

ahhhh

[rustic viper]

How do you get Cooking Recipes> I see none for sale

[pliant crown]

i havent even found any cooking recipees

i was surprised when i found the scribe recipee

but in theory there should also be recipees for the apprentice tier stat scrolls and stuff

[pliant crown]

actually scratch my first thing, processing professions dont have recipees to find, it is based off the station as far as i understand

[tacit nebula]

Are we able to craft bags? I'm being told "insufficient fuel," but there's no fuel needed?

[pliant crown]

i have heard that bag crafting has that bug where it is asking for fuel

so i'd do a /bug for it just in case

should be craftable otherwise

[quiet herald]

where do I get an apprentice bow?

[pliant crown]

if you mean level 10 bow, basically rng drop from humanoid mobs between 10-19, if you mean a hunting bow your server needs to have one of the nodes make a "Cookhouse" station and it will also unlock the hunting tool station to go to apprentice

[quiet herald]

theres a hunting tool station but I can only make a novice bow

[pliant crown]

pretty much, mst of the nodes will have a "marketplace" so it has all novice tier crafting/processing/gathering stations

and then they have to do buy orders for people to complete

and then when the node has all the buy orders completed they can then make very specific stations to upgrade certain stations from novice to apprentice

in that case the node you are at needs to have an apprentice station

if you are on resna we have 0 apprentice stations

just a bunch of buy orders

part of the problem is all the buildings basically need like copper/zinc

funny enough i think the buy orders for nodes need less resources than a person does to level their crafting professions

[tacit nebula]

is there an issue with promoting certificates? or are we just limited to novice at the moment?

[quiet herald]

oh okay thank you for taking the time to explain it. I tried Google before bothering people here but it's just YouTubes with useless info

[pliant crown]

oh i know there is like 0 information out there and im like idk where i'd even put this knowledge at this point so i just try to answer questions i know since its annoying when you;re confused

[pliant crown]

if you mean upgrading your profession itself, there is currently only 1 npc for each profession in the world that you can talk to to upgrade from novice -> apprentice, all you need to do atm is just have level 10 in said profession

[tacit nebula]

okay i wasn't aware of the level requirements for it, thanks!

[pliant crown]

i made this the other week but this essentially may help, i used it when i was theory crafting what i'd level if i was to do arcane engineering as my end goal crafting profession

[rustic viper]

I was afraid that it was like that. Makes it odd because we end up with so much stuff we just can't cook with

[pliant crown]

i think it is just an incomplete profession kinda like fishing

but they may change what they do with it in the future its hard to say

[viral rain]

hey y'all, question for ya. On the novice tanning, how do you get the other results? for ravens, instead of skin I'd like the feathers

[pseudo mortar]

You can't right now, I spoke with one of the gms about this and they've notified the relevant team but until it's patched we can't get bones feathers or fat. Only the hide or meat from cooking

[pliant crown]

ohhhh ok i thought i was doing something wrong but since i wasnt messing with it didnt know it just wasnt working

[quiet herald]

can you become a grand master in 2 total out of all skills or is it 2 for gathering skills and 2 for processing

[summer elk]

anyone knows how ratings work? rarity, speed, quantity etc. for example 100 speed rating, is that 10% or something else?

[pseudo mortar]

Two total

[pseudo mortar]

I'm not able to check because I'm at work but you might have a list of stats on your character sheet (H) that lists your base and bonuses. I know for sure you can see your adventuring stat breakdowns, I'd check there or on the second tab to see if it has em

[viral rain]

zamn, thanks, appreciate it!

[summer elk]

it does not show anything for base artisan stats like adventurer, only the extra stuff from items. But I noticed that when I added a wand with 14 cast rating , my cast speed increased by 1.4%. Not sure if that was coincidence or not

[pliant crown]

i believe they are all not working except exp amount (also maybe rarity for gathering)

the combat stats all work and say what they do but artisian stuff i think may not work or is scaled really crazy

[modest wedge]

Stoneworks finally got completed 😄

[pseudo mortar]

https://tenor.com/view/pout-kiss-blowing-a-kiss-suspense-christian-bale-gif-16931550113965916217

[pliant crown]

wish my server had that station just to clear our t2 rocks lmao

[viral galleon]

how tf do i use my hunting bow on novice creatures

[pseudo mortar]

You pet them

Aggressively

[pliant crown]

curious what the animation will be when it gets updated

[devout hedge]

where can essence crystals be acquired?

[pliant crown]

node merchants sell them, otherwise where the uhhh arcane egineer, scribe, alchemy trainer is the npc there also sells the crystal as a material i believe

[viral galleon]

what drops zinc?

[devout hedge]

ah okay thank you.

[pseudo mortar]

Zinc nodes

[viral galleon]

they must not exist then

[pliant crown]

basically its same respawn spot as basalt/granite/copper/ruby but im unsure if specific regions are more plentiful of some ores or not

its hard to tell since its just so uncommon/rare

[shell socket]

is there currently no way to get apprentice tools?

so sorry if this has been asked but I haven't seen a clear answer by searching

[pliant crown]

depends on the server, in resna we dont have any apprentice stations as far as i know

the buy orders your mayors will put out are to make things like this

this one in particular doesnt have any gathering professions but thats what its for

i think the UI needs a way to let people know what building the mayor wants to make so people know if they want to help or not

[edgy crow]

I was trying out the Caravan system and decided to transport Daffodils' for the hell of it. After unloading them at the neighboring node they bugged, all the vendors offer 0 copper for them and they can not be used in processing. I had to /bug that

[pliant crown]

ripp

good test though

[pliant crown]

were you able to pick up the daffodils and put them back in your inventory? so to say like you were moving from one city to the other

[edgy crow]

ya, clicked the unpack into warehouse, 5 mins later I can move them from the Warehouse to my bag, but they can not be stacked with other Daffodils' either

[pliant crown]

oh weird

i guess since they should have a special sell value for the distance

[devout hedge]

is there a keybind to fish?

nm, i found it in the skillbook

[edgy crow]

decided to vendor the flowers and they gave me money despite showing 0c they vendor lol

[pliant crown]

intersting

[edgy crow]

but they did not increase in price

[pliant crown]

rippp

[radiant dust]

Not sure I agree with this. Very confident the different types of emblems are different use from the varies kinds of runes that are explicitly stated to be runes, the river rune is not the only kind of rune I've picked up

All the emblems share a similar if not same description, and the runes share a different description between them

[stark lantern]

anyone find a recipe to use all the bluegill filets i have?

[woven stone]

PSA: You can catch Journeyman or higher fish with a novice rod! No need for special buildings! Why does that matter without cookshop lvl 2? MONEY

Bluegill(novice): 5 copper // Salmon(apprentice): 50 copper // Lamprey(journeyman): 1s

higher rarities sell for more too

[crystal bridge]

Where did you find salmon?

Please don't say in the water. Please don't say in the water.

[woven stone]

any river. Cant fish in oceans yet, I dont htink

its the level 10 req fish to catch

any fresh water source gives you a chance to catch any of those fish

[dreamy moss]

Is Zinc only in the riverlands?

[pliant crown]

i dont know for sure on this, but my expectation is long term when we have all the existing biomes in a full world certain biomes would have different spawn rates of different resources but as of right now since there are no gathering nodes in the lawless zones [at least when i checked] so that may be something we get more info on during phase 2

[pliant crown]

just making one big image for all the recipes i found, but i got a lot of carpentry recipees so it gots its own thing lol

[crisp umbra]

It would be nice if they changed the Job quantity from 25 to 20 or changed the stack size from 20 to 25. The mismatch makes inventory management more difficult.

[pliant crown]

more recipes

for jewler and armorsmith

[swift crest]

i don't think anyone knows. they are listed as not being a part of any loot tables. makes leveling AE pretty tough, especially since pylons are busted too.

[ripe vapor]

Can anyone remember the stack size of the common apprentice woodcutting bags? 60something?

[viral remnant]

63 I think? Or 64.. One of the two 😛

[still glacier]

can you craft simple helmets and gloves, seemed like venodrs only sold legs/boots/body at 10

didnt know if those other spots were from grind locations only atm

[left parrot]

yes

[still glacier]

ah that musta been why people had the cool helmets lol

[smoky gyro]

Can farm recipes or drop em.

[pseudo mortar]

I drove a caravan from Miraleth to the Tropics...and my crates bugged out too. 4 hours of my life for nothing

[pseudo mortar]

What I keep forgetting to test, and maybe someone has, is if you craft the bags yourself with better materials does that increase the stack sizes they can hold

[swift crest]

does the xp requirement go up per level for crafting artisan classes?

[fathom topaz]

I couldnt find a single ruby recipe

[undone idol]

amongst the gathers here. what station do you guys feel like you use the most regardless of the profession you're specializing in

[warped holly]

Hello a question i begin the craft for the first we is it possible to make one serie different of a multiple of 5, for more commodity ? like 13 ?

[potent parcel]

turning poop into blackberries, lettuce, and making beer
stupid node buildings require so much

[fading stump]

ive seen what i would assume is coal in the lawless zones but its not interactable atm

[wet quarry]

Morning All! Got to say its gona be a long wait till the weekend but I cant wait to try out crafting in more detail. I do have a question, if I craft gear as a Vek, does it always come out as the Vek style? If I bough elf armour, could I equip it and get the elf style on my Vek?

[tribal anchor]

Can't check the name of the server I played now, but there were multiple apprentice stations in Miraleth (the bottom right corner node).

[uncut scaffold]

Has anyone been able to craft parts of the caravan that are better than standard?

All I've seen in my crafting station is an oak carriage which gives some more HP. Can we already make wheels or other parts that can benefit caravans?

On top of that, has anyone tried making uncommon or higher carriages for maybe greater cargo capacity?

[round willow]

#alpha-two-artisan-chat message

[uncut scaffold]

Interesting, a legendary carriage increases the height by 2

What about uncommon and rare however

[elfin island]

Can you bulk craft armors?

[wooden canyon]

nop

not yet

you can process in bulk

not craft

(at least tailoring i assume it's the same for other crafting)

[elfin island]

Abit of a pain since you need to craft hundreds (?) of level 0 armors to level up the artisan 🫣

[wooden canyon]

With Whipping Willow you can make caravan part for a lot more cargo space and faster, need the T2 crafting station tho

[wooden canyon]

Sure is

[leaden pike]

wanna ask you people what items for transporting would be in high demand?

just a question

[wooden canyon]

if you just wanna make money i would advise to just transport node commodities not actual mats, at least for now, and go 2 node over or more

(and i think it's bugged but rn bard speed buff works on caravan )

[fading stump]

without price changes and specific biomes having unique materials / abundant materials other nodes need theres no need to haul materials unless filling up 3 boxes with wood / stone / some other material to go from miraleth to halcyon instead of hauling it all that way on foot. commodities are what you need

[chilly cape]

what the differences between commodities and mats?

[fading stump]

commodities you buy with glint and when taken far away from buy point you make more gold when selling them back to the node, they are like a insta gold making thing, material hauling is to more get materials across to biomes that dont have them / to sell to players, this wont happen till more biomes and material scarcity in some zones happens

with no fast travel and no linked AH will see people hauling caravans full of good materials across biomes

[chilly cape]

thanks...that makes sense

[fading stump]

you can sell the commodity straight back to the home node also if you dont wanna haul it but wont get as much as well

[compact fable]

Commodities are the name given to both node resources and trading resources so just be a little careful w the distinction ppl usually put forward about it. The big idea is that a commodity is something used in conjuction with nodes, and materials are used for players

So basically if you want to impact a node -> commodity
You want to impact a player -> Material

materials make commodities, thats why buy orders exist

Trade commodities are a little wonked rn, bc if someone brings a lot of a certain commodity from one node its supposed to lower your yield for the trade deal

[vague coyote]

if you get the alchemy shop, does it sell apprentice recipes?

[compact fable]

I do a ton of the node planning in Joeva on Lyneth and have pretty much figured out most of the node system and have started teaching others on Lyneth

[compact fable]

itll be built on friday when we log in

we had 2 hours left when servers went down

[vague coyote]

cause some of these potions are sick

sheesh

[compact fable]

The elixirs are going to be journeyman

and journeyman is COOKED rn

[vague coyote]

yea

[compact fable]

Which potions do you want?

Bc tbh I think the potions BASE will be on the alchemy stand

[vague coyote]

apprentice level ones
the resist pots give you a ton of mitigation
movespeed pot is like 19%

[compact fable]

Yeah but that stuff is borked rn

bc Gryphon looping

[vague coyote]

wym

[compact fable]

Gryphon carcass is required for some apprentice recipes

but gryphons are journeyman hunting

[vague coyote]

LOL

[compact fable]

You might be able to go ahead and buy them at the vendor tho? who knows

[vague coyote]

looks like i need beast blood, essence crystal, emerald

dont know what beast blood is

[compact fable]

Beast blood is a vendor item iirc

yeah its a vendor item

Next weekend I think lyneth is gonna try and close out 3 nodes building wise

I know we are for sure getting joeva to max buildings

and I think mira is too

[vague coyote]

but yeah the movespeed pot needs raven carcass, armor pot needs spider

[compact fable]

Whats the name of the pot?

Swiftstrider?

[compact fable]

OH quickstride

yeah that works prob

i just noticed thats the apprentice recipe

[vague coyote]

im most interested in this one bc of mage meta

[compact fable]

I was looking at journeyman

116 MR isnt that big tbh

This game has HELLA stat curves

[vague coyote]

it is. the mitigation increase is a lot

[compact fable]

Compared how fast to how mages are scaling with the crafting increases on Lyneth its not much

Ik our guild wise we are gonna have min 700 power mages going forward

and thats before buffs

fixed it wanted to check smth

[vague coyote]

it just depends on how mitigation actually scales, i cant test it without dueling

[compact fable]

In my testing and working with others on mit

you need like 1k for a huge difference

the potions are supposed to be the thing that pushes you to the next tier

[vague coyote]

at the least, the movespeed potions could be decent
assuming they stack with other effects

[compact fable]

Depends on what that speed rating is

[vague coyote]

its 19%
they just worded it weird

[compact fable]

yeah but like, who knows what kinda of spaghetti stats it actually has

[vague coyote]

yea

[compact fable]

It took me a weekend and a half to completely figure out quantity and rarity

just for gathering btw, thats not even touching quantity and rarity for processing and crafting

[vague coyote]

regarding what
can you expand on this

[compact fable]

Gathering Rarity and Gathering Quantity

I cant really go into what we learned bc ppl on Lyneth would do dumb things with it

or just complain about how it works

[vague coyote]

very mysterious

[compact fable]

These stats

[compact fable]

The issue is that, when you give ppl raw data without any kinda like explanation you get a thousand interpretations of it, when realistically the system should be seen in a single way

I've been using the phase 1 testing to test out nodes, resources, and crafting

[uncut scaffold]

This requires apprentice lumberjacking, lumbermilling and carpentry then right?

Which in term means you need apprentice stations for all 3? of those

[vague coyote]

yeah for sure

[compact fable]

Yeah the woodshop isnt bad to build tho

we did it in 14 hours on Lyneth in Joeva

[uncut scaffold]

What does the Woodshop provide?

[compact fable]

Lumberjacking, lumber milling and carpentry

[uncut scaffold]

That's amazing

[compact fable]

Its the only vertical stack building

[uncut scaffold]

So the Woodshop Node Building provides apprentice stations for those 3?

[compact fable]

where you have ALL of the subcomponents

[compact fable]

yup

[uncut scaffold]

Including the station of making the apprentice lumberaxe?

[compact fable]

Yup

[uncut scaffold]

Cool, thanks

[compact fable]

If yall have any questions about nodes, or crafting

ive done too much of it

[uncut scaffold]

My guild dint have a node nor was I realy busy with it, so I missed a lot

[wooden canyon]

No the woodshop give you Access to all that

[uncut scaffold]

I will remember that

[cosmic agate]

Are those gathering stats implemented right now? I tried equipping the gathering shirts in the hopes of more XP the XP stayed exactly the same.

[compact fable]

yes

[uncut scaffold]

How are you 26, was 25 the limit?

[compact fable]

the limit is 50

im at 29 actually

thats an old pic

[uncut scaffold]

Crazy

[compact fable]

for processing anyway

im 23 for lumberjacking, 21 for mining, and 29 for lumber milling

ill hit master next weekend

Actual level im just staying on 15

bc there is 0 point in leveling up

[wooden canyon]

You Can buy certification ?

[compact fable]

Yup

Master gathering bricks your profession tho

but you can just demote your cert and relog

and you are good

[cosmic agate]

Then why did my XP stay at I think 80 for common gathering materials? Does it only affect the amount you gain for gathering rarer materials or something?

[compact fable]

It starts coming into effect at like 100 ish XP rating

I get about 270 xp per gather as a miner now

with the apprentice clothes and my pick

This game just has INSANE curves

Stats arent what they seem

Pylons also work

I know to some ppl thats insane

but they do

[cosmic agate]

And the amount is increased as well from those quantity stats? You can get more than 5 resources on a lumber or mining node?

[compact fable]

Quantity, Rarity, Speed and XP are in

[compact fable]

Ive gotten 6 personally many many times, a guildie even got 7 once

[cosmic agate]

Ah so there is an element of chance. It's gonna take a bit to decode what these stats mean

[compact fable]

Rarity and Quantity are effectively casino rolling

You can raise the stat to raise your chance

but its always gonna be a chance

[cosmic agate]

Especially quality will be hard to figure out because it seems like there are other factors like time the resource has been spawned

[compact fable]

And realistically it seems at least to me that they never intended on rarity and quantity being big players til like GM

[vague coyote]

ima dm you

[compact fable]

I imagine GM nodes are just fucking unobtainium

[cosmic agate]

I've been hearing rumors that different locations have different chances for rarity

But I've also heard that it is all about how long the resource has existed without being moned

Mined

[autumn junco]

From my own experience I believe this to be true. The rarer the material seemed to correspond with it seemingly being there a while. I also tend to find rarer materials in areas no one seems to really ever go.

[cosmic agate]

Do you think location is a factor or are some locations with fewer gatherers just likely to have the resources spawned longer ago since no one comes to mine them?

[autumn junco]

It could also be a mix of the two, location and time.

[compact fable]

This is true

but not like consistently

nodes are assigned their rarity when they spawn

but if a node is like legendary for example

you just GET legendary items

[autumn junco]

Citation?

[compact fable]

Dms?

asking if i can mostly

[autumn junco]

sure

[cosmic agate]

But do nodes upgrade in rarity the longer they have been there? When Intrepid tested the season change I know some people found a lot of high rarity resources

I could see node location as a factor of rarity being a false positive, as the nodes just being there longer could explain the same thing.

[vague coyote]

this is actually incredibly cool

because its literally a 'rare' material lol

[compact fable]

Season changes somethings iirc

idr exact numbers

but its interesting

[olive bobcat]

is this confirmed? because it would explain why my lumberjacking rarity drops fell off a cliff this weekend.

[compact fable]

Lumberjacking IDK,but fishing it bricked a guys class

[olive bobcat]

i hit lumberjacking first and then i would max out at two rare trees for a full 3 apprentice bag run. meanwhile, my journeyman mining was tons of epic and heroic. i hit master mining right before server close, so i guess ill find out this weekend if thats the cause.

[compact fable]

Might be worth a demotion to see

[olive bobcat]

yeah, ill test as soon as servers are back up. it was driving me nuts.

[vague coyote]

i think they likely didnt even expect anyone to get master tier and maybe its not even coded correctly yet lol

this is exactly what happened with runescape, they designed the xp amounts the way they did because they assumed no player would ever get 99

[uncut scaffold]

Is there a wiki page out there that mentions what buildings can be crafted (like woodshop, stonemasonry) and what benefits it provides?

I can't find it and I'd love to know the options there are for nodes

[chilly cape]

That makes a lot of sense…thanks for the explanation.

[compact fable]

np!

Node stuff has been my main focus with crafting for 3 weekends now

Ill do combat stuff more when phase 2 hits

[chilly cape]

I love the node systems way more than combat lol

[compact fable]

rn I am just sponging up info

[compact fable]

Node systems are like insanely complex

[chilly cape]

I like the node building aspects way more

[compact fable]

They arent even complete too lol

[chilly cape]

World building is a ton of fun and refreshing in games

[compact fable]

they are missing a ton of buildings and their building improvement trees

[chilly cape]

I noticed

But that is all good, have enough to figure out as is lol

[open lodge]

are Survey pylons in this phase and how are they used

[compact fable]

They are in this phase, and you put them down near a cluster of nodes and hit F on the pylon to activate it

it shows the area it effects

and gives you + quantity and rarity for the region it makes

[open lodge]

nice are they buggy or work

[compact fable]

They work

[tight cedar]

I tried out the caravan system too - I bought 2 green commodities from Halcyon (two green honeycombs) and transported them from Halcyon over to Winstead and then down to Miraleth.

The green commodities cost 2 rare glint, 2 uncommon glint, 4 common glint each (4,4,8 in total). It cost 10s to buy the caravan and 10s to launch it from Halcyon.

Halcyon > Winstead honeycombs sold for 1g 8s each (2g16s total)
Halcyon > Miraleth honeycombs sold for 2g20s each (4g40s total)

The caravan had 267,000 hp so trying to break it wasn't going to happen unless a raid attacked you. Being attacked by any creature or person would slow the caravan down significantly.

Transporting the caravan from land to water did not take long at all, cruising down the river was less stressful than land due to the lack of obstacles and even terrain. Undocking the raft made the caravan bug out and disappear. Riding the raft into a caravan arrival zone did not trigger 'arriving'

With all that money from experimenting I bought 1 bear mount for 2g and 1 wolf mount for 1g50s

[compact fable]

The thing ill say is that rarity wise pylons wont really matter unless you have like a good chunk of rarity already from gear

[compact fable]

The workaround for this is to drag the item into the window to sell and it works out

[open lodge]

can they help with the copper search

[compact fable]

nope

[uncut scaffold]

Are the pylons useful?

[compact fable]

yes

Depends on how hardcore of a gatherer you are tho

[uncut scaffold]

I'll try them this weekend then

[compact fable]

is what ill say

[compact fable]

What server are you on?

[uncut scaffold]

Shol

[compact fable]

Ah

[open lodge]

im on lyneth

[uncut scaffold]

Only yesterday we finished our first building, the stonemasonry

[open lodge]

i plan on gathering mostly

[compact fable]

@uncut scaffold your gonna want like 200+ rarity/quantity to adequately use pylons

just a heads up

you dont need both, but ye

[uncut scaffold]

Like you have here?

[compact fable]

yup

thats epic pick and epic axe

I fucked up on the pick tho

dont do that

[uncut scaffold]

Fucked up?

[compact fable]

bc the epic pick doesnt give rarity it gives XP

yeah there are 3 recipes for each apprentice tool

1 that gives xp
1 that gives quantity
1 that gives rarity

I used a ton of rare mats on the XP one

[uncut scaffold]

I see

[compact fable]

which I didnt know til it was too late, and was like

[uncut scaffold]

Surely rarity is BiS no

[compact fable]

welp I still want first dibs on copper so

[compact fable]

kind of?

Quantity imo is BiS

[uncut scaffold]

Hmm

[compact fable]

But I think it depends on the persons opinion

[uncut scaffold]

Yea

[compact fable]

Quantity was not always BiS

in my opinion

After learning rarity and how it worked

Quantity became BiS

In my mind its like Quantity/Rarity > XP > Speed

stat wise

But i think going forward I'd prio quantity over rarity

im not gonna neglect rarity but like quantity is just better for what I need

[open lodge]

wish there was a way to break rarity down

[uncut scaffold]

Does a higher tier artisan station come with more recipes?

I feel like there's very few recipes in the stations at the moment

[compact fable]

depends

[uncut scaffold]

I know there's a lot of recipes that you find in the world, but the stations dont have many it felt like

[compact fable]

higher tier station being like apprentice?

[uncut scaffold]

Yes

[compact fable]

Woodshop came with a bunch, but the vendor gave us recipes for like 2 s a piece and like 20 recipes

The way it seems to work is that each material tier

[open lodge]

dont we have to learn recipes

[compact fable]

is split into 3 parts

the late previous/early next tier mats

the tier mats

then the late current/early next tier

[pliant crown]

the only 'recipes' you have to find are for crafting tier right?

[compact fable]

yes

[pliant crown]

ok cause i got unlucky and rolled on resna and we still dont have apprentice stations lol

[compact fable]

The example of this

Metalworking/Armor/Weaponsmithing
Novice -> Copper

Apprentice
Early -> Copper
Mid -> Brass/Tin
Late -> Bronze

[pliant crown]

oh so tin must only be for armor then

[compact fable]

Tin and Brass are mid tier

[pliant crown]

i'd ask how did you guys find enough mats but i assume the server is organized enough lol

[tight cedar]

How much do pylons provide you? I had one in weekend one but then in weekend 2 it was mysteriously gone - deleted from my inventory. Never got around to buying another,

[compact fable]

stats

Its on ashes codex

if you wanna look at the stats

[raven harness]

I believe the ones at the node cities are less expensive

[compact fable]

other way

Nodes factor in node tax

independent ones dont have tax

[raven harness]

😮 Sounds good, anyone know how much it was (to make it a pet/cart animal) at Lionhold?

[compact fable]

lionhold isnt good for like buying stuff bc lionhold taxes are crazy

the independent places are like 55s for a mount/beast training

in joeva I think its 60s

[raven harness]

Sorry I meant the independant, I thought that whole area was the area of Lionhold?

[compact fable]

bc we only do 10% tax on crafting in Joeva on Lyneth

[compact fable]

kinda?

[raven harness]

I got a Heroic Pallas cat so hoping to get the mount 😛

[vague coyote]

Have they implemented the rarity on the mounts yet?

[vast grotto]

Does anyone know where I can find recipes for blue materials in the open world? I got Muckmaw's Blade Fragment and Growler's Severed Head this past weekend, but now I don't know where to get the recipe. I killed Muckmaw a bunch and I haven't see a recipe drop, so I'm not sure if they are recipes that just unlock as a part of levelling a profession or if I'm supposed to grind Muckmaw/a different mob for a recipe

[raven harness]

Dunno, I'm excited to see what comes out of it regardless

[raven harness]

I know I got a recipe as a reward for a quest, not sure if that's the only method though

[vague coyote]

when my guild mate tried it, it hadn't been implemented yet

so it was just the same as an uncommon

[raven harness]

Dang, oh well

[vague coyote]

not trying to spoil your fun, just warning ya

[raven harness]

Maybe the Caravan one is implemented

[vague coyote]

i think they are yea

[raven harness]

It'll be wiped anyways Dec 20th

I think the Pallas cats are just so cute

[vast grotto]

I've gotten random recipes as drops too, but I just didn't know if I had to just massacre a bunch of different mobs until I find the blue recipes for these items that I have mats for or if there was a way to tell where they come from

Answered my question using Ashes Codex. However I would love it if Ashes would implement a system later on down the line to see these things in game. I'm not a fan of having to have different web apps up to figure out where to find what and how just so I can play an MMO

[pliant crown]

i didnt know that website existed until today, would have helped a lot and saved me some time

but i agree that the in game should just have some of the information

[tight cedar]

That's a pretty high rarity mount - I have heard - maybe its worth trying with a lesser animal - that if it says you will get a BoB in the top left that you can cancel, get the animal back but you lose the gold and the fuel.

[tight cedar]

Also Epic mounts give 149% speed bonus so I imagine heroic might give 151 or 153% sort of thing

[vast grotto]

I just found the site myself while doing some Googling. I'm glad it could help you in the future!
I've been playing Throne & Liberty recently during the week but I have to say the way that they implemented the system where almost every item in the game, when you click on it, has a "How to Acquire" option that tells you what drops it in which area and what crafting recipes use it, etc. was fantastic.

[left parrot]

Does anyone know what I’d have to do to get a caravan that can transport a 3 high by 2 wide commodity? I bought it thinking I could pack it in a crate which was oopsie

like it is this shape:

a a
a a
a a

Maybe once we get a woodshop on my server I can buy a better base caravan and use that. Ashescodex seems to think that might work. Guess we’ll see

[raven harness]

Are you saying that once it starts processing it shows if it's a mount/beast of burden and you can cancel to get it back and re-attempt? If so that's awesome

[raven harness]

Have you seen this in game? Someone else stated they don't think the speed increase is there currently for the different tiers

[olive bobcat]

Epic horse is still at 135% in game, same as common

[raven harness]

Sad, but I guess it is what it is

[serene night]

yeah i saw tht makes no sense

prolly an unfinished game mech

[raven harness]

Yeah

[lapis shadow]

Could anyone explain to me what arcane engineering is for?

[empty prism]

Crafting Wands, books, pylons I think can also be made from it

Might be a few other things as well

[lapis shadow]

Thanks you! I'm going to dive a little more into it this weekend

[pliant crown]

to add onto this, also the off hand "focus" and since the magic weapons can also be made an 'energy' version for physical damage you can make physical weapon magic weapons

getting enough copper on the otherhand p:

[indigo oasis]

Anyone else around who is often a crazy ALL-Crafter in other games wondering if they really want to spend a year on 11 alts ? The complexity of this system seems excellently designed to prevent just that. However, interdependence is great until the guy your guild propped up (and fed mats) as the "primary weaponsmith" quits. Curious how ya'll see this playing out. And if we're really going to be hawking wares on Global chat forever, IF selling outside the guild is even the norm... East Commonlands tunnel anyone?

[swift crest]

8 copper and 160 xp for a focus. that's 2k copper to reach lv 10. yeah...

[pseudo mortar]

I think having a working market will make big difference in the crafting situation. Having a guild bank and shared resources will be too

[pseudo mortar]

Use xp scrolls and try to craft or have crafted an upgraded crafting shirt.

[swift crest]

yeh I had a +2 shirt and it gave ~12% iirc. AE just feels rough given that other crafting professions like armor smithing can get 160xp from recipes requiring just 2 copper or zinc

[pseudo mortar]

Don't craft a focus craft the enchanting stone. Pretty sure that's much cheaper

[fresh flower]

when i did my mount i noticed i could just close and reopen the tab and it changed from saying beast of burden to mount. changed multiple times. i just left it open towards the last 5 min on displaying as mount and it gave me a mount. not sure if its just a display error and was still a 50/50 chance however

[empty prism]

If you cancel you lose the silver cost

And fuel*

You get the cat/horse/bear w/e the mount material is back tho

[gusty oracle]

I'm hoping with phase 2 focusing abit more on economy that they rebalance some of the artisan stuff. I know alot of it is a placeholder but I don't feel my efforts being rewarded by focusing on crafting/gathering vs group grinding. The class xp is abit of a joke

[glacial helm]

I think they are going to have to do some work on professions before phase2, there are a few basic principles in the profession system that will undermine any attempt to put a working economy/commerce system on top of it. Like there is no supply/demand pricing built into materials at every stage of professions. You cant implement that on just the completed crafted products, it will collapse.

[gusty oracle]

I know Steven said in an interview there were some crafting systems that weren't ready and would be implemented in phase 2.

[swift crest]

are you referring to this?

codex says Charm of Fateful Fortune isn't found anywhere in game currently

[gusty oracle]

But they really need an early game auction house/market or a resource sink. Personally I wish I could sell resources to an npc for xp instead of coin

[glacial helm]

My view is they still have to detach gathering from processing crafting. Gatherers get "paid" in procesed metal to deposit ore (say). Then procesors processers process the ore, receiving metal, less the amount given to the gatherers, and a tax, paid to the facility. Every profession then becomes independent and pricing paid to gatherers/processors can be dependent on how much ore is sitting at the processor.

I think it ends up being much easier for everyone to understand and level

[pseudo mortar]

It says it's sold by a vendor

Probably in the materials tab

[cosmic agate]

I like that its not about being easy to understand or level. Meet other players, reach out and trade resources. Find people who will exchange resources with you, and with 5-6 gatherers exchanging resources they can all level quickly.

I think it is great that the difficulty of crafting either requires you to be super hardcore or form relationships with other people for the betterment of all parties.

[swift crest]

i'm hopeful it shows up with the Laboratory

[pseudo mortar]

I would check if I could but the ptr goes down before I get home from work

[compact fable]

Im on PTR

i can check rq

[compact fable]

You can buy the charm at the vendor

but not the charm of fateful fortune

[swift crest]

damn. thanks for looking.

[raven harness]

There is a PTR up now?

Oh I don't have access to it 😦

Should Wave 1 purchasers have access?

[tight cedar]

I believe so - but you maybe should practice it or get someone to confirm before you test it with a heroic material

[tight cedar]

A fellow crafter on my server said he saw an epic at 149%, I trust his word. Again verify. I only have a rare mount 😦

[tight cedar]

I made a second character in the alpha to test out another class, but just the thought of having to get that character to apprentice gathering was daunting.

Obviously I don't have the same drive because the characters will be deleted but still - it's an enormous undertaking. Those that do it will probably be playing 8-10hrs / day

[tight cedar]

I'm willing to bet that the farming artisan is the least leveled right now because everyone is probably thinking the same thing, 'uh shouldn't I be doing this in the ground at my freehold?'

And if the answer is no, then what would farming at a freehold count towards?

Point being, there are a lot of places holders

[thin moth]

Can someone tell me how to find cotton so i can make cotton thread please?

[cosmic agate]

To find cotton:

1. Find and harvest Daffodils.
2. Kill some mobs and loot them for droppings (e.g. grem/ravens/deer)
3. Make daffodil mulch at the agricultural just across the river west of lion hold using daffodils and droppings.
4. Buy cotton seeds from the NPC at agricultural supply.
5. Use the farming processing table to grow cotton using cotton seeds and the mulch you made earlier.
   It's so straightforward and intuitive that I'm surprised you asked 😉

[raven harness]

& is your Rare the regular speed?

[tight cedar]

Yea 140

[slender python]

Hi all. I found a Pallas Cat before shutdown and looted it. I assume I can use this for a mount, but I did not see anything available in the Joeva hunting lodge. Do I need to be a citizen first? Can't recall my hunting level, but I was able to eh "process" it where I found it so that a usable item looted to materials.

[compact fable]

Its at the animal husbandry station

The hunting lodge is for trade

As confusing as that is

[cosmic agate]

oops said ag supply is east of lionhold, it's west (edited above)

[sweet holly]

I couldnt ever find the person that sells cotton seed, Gerald didnt sell them

[cosmic agate]

You can find it here:

This can be a good resource for finding things in the game: https://ashescodex.com/map

🙂

[cosmic agate]

Looking to check out caravans more next weekend. Can I buy node resources for transport from a node where I am not a citizen?

[thorny atlas]

Yes. You can go to any node regardless of citizenship and purchase commodity crates to transport by caravan to another node.

[tribal anchor]

Hey I have a question. The wiki says I can have 2 grandmaster professions, 3 master etc. Does it mean

Option 1 - I can have 2 grandmaster AND 3 master so total of 5?
Option 2 - I can have 2 grandmaster AND 3 master but excluding those GRANDmaster, so total of 3?

[cobalt dawn]

do you have any receips by default for professions or you have to find them all? When i went through the artisan tabs couldn t see any

[whole abyss]

The indication in the top left is bugged and not relevant. It just cycles between the BoB and mount. Close and reopen the window and you will see it will change.
Don't cancel your order because of it, it's a waste of silver.
Having reached lvl 8 husbandry, I never canceled it, and it would often end in mount even if it started with BoB and the other way around.

Also, no difference in mount speed with quality. This is my epic bear with 140%

[sterile onyx]

Might have already seen it, but think this post and example included answers your question. #alpha-two-general message

[cobalt dawn]

but is there a visual difference between common or epic?

[whole abyss]

No, not even that. There's absolutely no difference at the moment between mount qualities in any regard.

[cobalt dawn]

i've seen some mounts with armor and stuff, is that a cosmetic applied?

[whole abyss]

As far as I know only the Pallas Cat has "armor" - it's not exactly armor, but at least saddle & reins. There might be some other rare event mounts or drops people got that have armor.
But that is the model of the mount, it's not something you add to it, or you can add to other mounts. All cats have saddles & reins, all bears don't. So, no, again, quality makes no difference.

[thorny atlas]

You can have a total of 2 at grandmaster, 3 and master, 4 at journeyman, and 5 at apprentice. This means a total of 14 professions in these slots, with the remaining 8 stuck at novice.

[tribal anchor]

That would be ideal, but that's not what the person pasted in the general chat, so there is clearly some confusion. See the link I was given above: #alpha-two-general message

[thorny atlas]

I saw that but I believe it is wrong based on dev live streams, wiki, and the tooltip that says (been tested) in order to raise one to apprentice (currently maxed at 5) you must take either one to journeyman or demote one. The tooltip gives you this choice. I stand by my statement.

[tribal anchor]

Thank you for the additional clarification. I am happy 🙂 More to work with! 😄

[thorny atlas]

However I don't know if it is fully functional yet, so I am waiting confirmation on PTR to see if this is indeed true.

[gusty oracle]

So what's everyone's leveling strategy for leveling artisan. Do you focus on leveling 1 skill or do you level everything to at least lvl 10?

My strategy so far as a solo scrub is just level everything and eventually downgrade some skills when my crafting catches up

[sweet holly]

takes long enough to get one too 10! I think they have said ideally you would be in a guild with specific people focusing on specific professions, im just playing around at the moment seeing how it all works etc, after the Dec 20th wipe I might then focus on speific things

[olive bobcat]

this incorrect as it currently stands in game. a master profession still counts as a journeyman, apprentice, and novice profession. so, when maxed out, you will have 2 grandmaster, 1 master, 1 journeyman, 1 apprentice, and the rest will be novice. i have already confirmed this on my own account. at 2 master, 1 journeyman, 3 apprentice, i was unable to promote another novice to apprentice without first demoting one of my current apprentices to novice.

[thorny atlas]

Gah, okay. I'm glad there is confirmation then.

[olive bobcat]

when you demote (herbalism, here) you "lose" the xp over the rank you demoted it to and it gets locked until you open a new slot and repromote it.

[gusty oracle]

That's alot of mining and lumberjack how are you finding leveling the processing and crafting professions? And what's your character level?

[olive bobcat]

processing is easy to level (except metalworking due to copper/zinc scarcity). crafting needs a ton of balancing, though, in order to match gathering and processing.

animal husbandry could also use some balancing. the cost is pretty exboritant atm.

and character level is 13. i havent done any mob grinding whatsoever. a large portion of my class xp comes from commissions and im ok with the trade off.

[gusty oracle]

I find the cost of processing to be extremely expensive do you find it difficult to make money?

[olive bobcat]

not at all. a full 3 apprentice bags of common lumber is 54 silver. i fund everything i need as an essentially solo player. do i have the income of the pve sweats that ran to class level 25? no, but crafting isnt anywhere in a finished state AND i made the decision not to sell copper or zinc. i often pull 40+ common copper per mining run. if i was selling copper/zinc and my higher rarity mats instead of hoarding them for crafting testing, id be among the wealthiest players on my server.

[gusty oracle]

What node are you mining in for 40+copper per run

[olive bobcat]

western halcyon and northern joeva

i also picked up a ton in new aela just riding down the road. i havent had nearly as much success finding copper in winstead and miraleth, though i still find some there too.

[gusty oracle]

Ye I'm currently mining near winstead and the central region of the map... not much copper in total iv got maybe 70 copper after 4 days

[olive bobcat]

ive found if you want to be successful at gathering, you have to go where other people arent. especially for t1 mats. since everyone can, and will, grab them on sight, places like the center of the map where the pop is concentrated due to it being low level friendly is a bad place to look.

its part of the risk v reward basis of the game. i spend most of my time skirting mobs 10+ levels higher than me and so i also do a lot of running away

[gusty oracle]

I feel my strategy on the 20th is going to consist of grinding to lvl 10-12 then focus on my artisan skills since I'm confident I can take on most mobs under lvl 20 at that level and it will be easier to gather

[sweet holly]

Do you use any of the artisan clothing you can buy?

[olive bobcat]

i havent decided as we dont have enough info on whether or not level cap will be raised, how many new nodes (if any) will be added, etc. if i had to start over today with no new additions or changes to gameplay, id probably rush lv20 and then go to grind professions. easier to be out in the world when youre able to fight most mobs.

[olive bobcat]

i do, but it doesnt really seem to have any kind of major effect.

ive tested both equipped and unequipped and the results werent readily apparent.

[tribal anchor]

That's pretty limiting 😦 I can always have alts, but will alts be able to use the freehold? If I remember right it was one per account.

[olive bobcat]

my takeaway right now is that gathering and processing is in a very solid place from a base-standpoint. theres a lot of things that are yet to be implemented and a lot of balancing to be done, but those are planned for phase 2 and 3. if you really want a hot take, i think that, if anything, gathering and processing xp should actually be nerfed atm. this game is supposed to be a grind to reach grandmaster and i couldve done it in lumberjacking in 2 weekends if thats all i focused on. thats not even talking about afk fishing.

[olive bobcat]

its supposed to be limiting. this isnt a solo game.

iirc, alts will be able to use a freehold, though.

[gusty oracle]

That's another thing I'll need to rush to whatever level freeholds are avalible when that happens

[tribal anchor]

Yeah, that's what I'm afraid of. I played extra hardcore for years, but now with family and stuff around me it's gonna be impossible. It's tough to admit but I'm closer to casual than I'd like. How to not miss those things that are limited? 😦

[cloud shell]

For you lunatics with high crafting are the weapons and gear worth it

I managed to make a rare novice fishing pole and shirt, but I dont know if combat gear is worth trying to make

[olive bobcat]

weapons, yes. gathering gear...sort of. the higher durability is really useful. the higher stats is tbd if theyre doing anything yet or not.

[summer elk]

how are you guys feeling about the grinding mobs vs artisanship to get gear/gold. I was playing only artisan, but from what I saw in videos of other people, they got so many items of good rarity and good chunk of gold that in the same time that I would gather mats to maybe craft 1 good weapon. Not only that, grinding also levels your character while artisanship leveling is so slow that's its almost insignificat. Did any of you have different experience?

[gusty oracle]

Currently the crafting system is just a skeleton of what it should be I expect a big patch for crafting for phase 2

[cloud shell]

the one thing that I dont understand is when im supposed to wear my shirt for processing. for cooking. one time i had a 25 fillet process come back with 26. but ever since it hasnt happened again. i wear it when it starts and when i claim.

[olive bobcat]

seems to be a pretty good plan to me. i assume its a common shirt? getting 1 extra from processing is probably as good as youre going to get.

[thick acorn]

its 2 grandmaster 1 master 1 journeyman 1 apprentice rest novice last i checked

[thick acorn]

run a trade pack and ull have the cash for awhile

[gusty oracle]

That's another problem with artisan. Little to no glint

[summer elk]

I think it would be great that they connected the trading with artisanship, so that we are transporting resources packed in boxes rather than commodities bought with glint. Then we can sell to the player or to the node the resourcecs, so if we transport to a node that has little to no resources of what we brought, we will get a high price

[indigo oasis]

Saw a crate of daffodils on vendor and wondered about that as well.

[left parrot]

Yes this is exactly a mechanic

[summer elk]

it is? aren't commodities recieved by buying with glint and are totally separate from resources?

[left parrot]

yes but you can instead pack resources into crates and move them via caravan, which will be a much more efficient method of moving large quantities of resources

[raven harness]

SAD I want fast mount 🥲

[gusty oracle]

You will have to wait for tier 2 mounts

[raven harness]

So the rarity isn't meant to affect speed and you instead need to craft the 2nd tier?

[pseudo mortar]

Rarity affects beast of burden stats but not mounts

[whole abyss]

There will definitely be differences between same mount in different qualities, but I don't know what those differences will be; and they are not implemented now.
And I have no idea what the difference is between t1 and t2 at the moment. Could just be different type of animals, but same stats when mounts.

[gusty oracle]

Like alot of artisan stuff I assume its not ready yet and will be in phase 2

[sly gale]

Not sure if it has been asked before but can certain items upgrade in rarity or are they bugged?

For example some of the alchemy items. You require vendor materials that are common rarity and they never seem to result in anything but common even if I use uncommon, rare or even heroic for the other things.

[olive bobcat]

there are definitely some vendor items that you can acquire higher rarities of. theyre usually just locked behind higher tier node buildings/professions. for example, animal fat is a common vendor item, but you need higher rarity tiers of it to create better quality slate molds. the only way to get higher rarity animal fat is for an apprentice tanner (i dont remember exact profession) to process it.

[sly gale]

I hope it is the same for the others. Feels kind of bad using rare stuff only to get common because you can only get common water from vendors XD

[gusty oracle]

I wish they had a better storage for nodes in regards to rarity. I find myself vendoring uncommon stone and wood because my storage is full of higher tier ore

[pliant crown]

i believe in my experience when an item is say water + flower it only takes in account the rarity of the flower used

[sly gale]

For me it is the opposite :/

[pliant crown]

makes me wonder which one is the intention and which one is the bug lol

it was my experience in alchemy that the npc materials didnt matter from what i remember

[sly gale]

Weird. I've been making an insane amount of alchemy items but anything involving vendor mats never got above common. Even though I was using a bunch of uncommon+

So it is either bugged or I got super unlucky

You managed to get higher rarity salves and stuff?

[pliant crown]

salves cant become anything but common

so the preview window at the top shows the rarity increase but if you craft the potion it still comes out as a common potion

that might be intended but that may also be a bug

[pliant crown]

specifically for this it was like the magic item when you use both flowers or the processed thing you use to craft potions

[sly gale]

I recall making a bunch of mana salves for example which use honeycomb and daffodil powder. Made at least 100 and no matter what raririy the powder was, the salve ended up common.

[pliant crown]

yes, the preview window it gives you of 'expected outcome' showed a rarity increase but the effect was the same 20mana or whatever it was, so i crafted a few to see if it would give me a green/rare potion and it did not so thats more of potions only existing as a 'common' item rather than the npc resource

[sly gale]

That could also be true I suppose. Didn't think of that. I'll have a closer look at the different 'expected outcomes' when the servers go back online

Kinda just assumed everything had different rarities

[pliant crown]

so i did this before i knew that the ashescodex was a thing and i didnt have to take screen shots but

#alpha-two-artisan-chat message

i didnt craft any i just put in resources

[radiant dust]

I think its item dependant
currently scribing, using all the green materials I can to make a enchant scroll gives me a green scroll, but using green mats to make a XP scroll only gives me common.

[sly gale]

Interesting. Didn't make an enchant scroll yet but ran into the same thing with the other scrolls.

Guess I should trust the UI more on this

[pliant crown]

good to know i have no reason to use my heroic rubies to make a crafting exp scroll before going ham

[pliant crown]

i think its the problem of an alpha of 'is this by design or a bug'

[radiant dust]

yeah lmao. I super forgot to test if crafting green enchant scrolls gives more XP then just making common ones, did anyone test that?

[pliant crown]

i will be this weekend

i have a small hoard saved up, i think it may only get me half way to 10 in scribe though

[radiant dust]

yeeee, thinkin I'm bouta burn a lot of red ink

[sly gale]

Scribing is so hard to lvl D:

[radiant dust]

yeaahh scribing and animal husbandry are just bonkers expensive is the issue

[pliant crown]

its just 5 rubies per craft no matter what you make

[chilly cape]

how are you storing things that you are not carrying?

[radiant dust]

its alllll the processing that makes it hard for scribes. Plus relying on a TON of paper and water that you have to buy off the vender

especially water

[pliant crown]

yep, basically i go to the labratory npc that has 0 taxes specifically and bought a bunch of stuff in bulk lol

[radiant dust]

oh thats a thing?

[pliant crown]

every copper matters

[radiant dust]

oh wait isn't that in winstead?

[pliant crown]

yea i dont remember exactly but like node price said 8copper at 25% tax, lab npc where you talk to the uhhh person to upgrade to apprentice

[radiant dust]

dude

[pliant crown]

his merchant inventory doesnt list a tax

so it was like 6c

[radiant dust]

i'm in New Aela

I don't wanna spend my weekend running

[pliant crown]

i have my spawn point right next to it

so if i happen to die im like maybe its time to go there

[radiant dust]

important artisan NPCs bieng in player nodes deffinetly needs to be changed when they work on the starter experience

[pliant crown]

yea, i feel like they should just be at the node itself

its really hard to describe without pictures when someone is asking

[radiant dust]

or just keep them at lionhold at least

but even before that I'd like to see the event systems brought to Nodes other then winstead lol

[pliant crown]

just was thinking longer term either all race starting points or all nodes

truee lol i forget they exist since i usually am on the west side of the map

[radiant dust]

mhmmmm

[pliant crown]

in resna the western side is 0 lag so im like ahh yes intended gameplay

[radiant dust]

it just makes congestion even worse in winstead

[pliant crown]

and regen

also true yea

all the curated sutff being clusted to one side of the map is definitely a part of the problem, but i think it was on purpose so they could force server stress testing

lol

if everything is in this area, most people will edn up hanging in there

[radiant dust]

TRUEEEEEEE

5head steven

[pliant crown]

lol

[fringe wing]

Is there a YT video or some type of detailed explanation on how the Artisan system works? I am just getting into Alpha 2 and I'mjust delving into the crafting system but have yet to understand how it works.

[pliant crown]

not that im aware of, basically right now you do intro quest 'sweat of your brow' get your horse and unlock all 22 professions in novice tier (1-10) but the UI elements around the artisan stuff is pretty bare bones so its hard to figure out things by looking at it

depending on the kind of explanation you're looking for asking in here may be the easiest generally

[glacial helm]

I don't feel the fundemental Artisan system is in place yet at all. I think it is a time for people to comment hoilistically on what they want to see, rather than specifics. I want more of a functioning economy like EO, rather than a facade emulating an economy like a lot of themepark MMOs. I hope and think that the EO version is what we are going to get, because that is what they have indicated.

[flint sapphire]

I said it in the other chat and ill say it in this one too, Dec 20 onwards is when you should be aiming to actually test artisan shit

Because thats when most of the core features get added

You can hop in game and get a base understanding perfectly fine rn, anything beyond that is pointless

Skill trees, gear enhancement, gems and sockets will turn all of that on its head

Youll learn more in a week of phase 2 testing than a month of phase 1

Just save your time

[chilly cape]

i think that is a fair take, although learning the basics now without even more complexity added on would be wise. I spent the past 2 weekends working on artisans and i still have to think about what is happening, what is the intention, etc...

if you don't study up on it some, the sheer amount of basics is overwhelming imo

[glacial helm]

I went and looked at the phase stuff and it was unclear. For me it is really difficult to separate "Economy" from "Artisan Professions", and it isn't clear to me where the divide is. It could be Phase2 as you say, but I'm a little disappointed that there isn't a better look at the system, before they add the economy. I'm worried that there will be more rework than was really necessary.

[chilly cape]

agree 100%

[flint sapphire]

Is this the one you looked at?

[glacial helm]

Yes - except economy is in P3

[pliant crown]

i just feel like if you want to put out thoughts on current basic version of gathering/processing/crafting its good to try it now so you can tehn say if future changes feel like the right or wrong direction

i doubt they wanted 0 feedback on it

[flint sapphire]

Youll have about 5 months to test and give feedback before the wider economic system is fully implemented. I think thats enough time to get a grasp on what can be improved. Testing 5 days a week will speed things up dramatically

[pliant crown]

its like saying well tank is going to get reworked fully in phase 2 so it doesnt matter as much, obviously the combat stuff is more fleshed out since its very important but its a core part of what they want the game to be long term

[flint sapphire]

We'll have to wait for player auction houses to see how things actually shape up

[pliant crown]

also atrisian stuff is tied directly to nodes which is a big feature of the game imo

[flint sapphire]

Yea no ones downplaying its importance

Its going to be one of the main drivers of gameplay

[glacial helm]

There are still some things in phase1 that they havent got. Until they stop saying that they are focusing on stability and performance, I'm not going to assume anything else is getting tested. Im assuming that everything not super-connected in the core adventuring game is in a minimal state, until that is stable.

[flint sapphire]

The only thing i care about in this phase is server stability and performance

But im going to be grinding to GM weaponsmith when its available

Its just not really worth the time to extensively test a half baked version of the crafting system

To me at least

[pliant crown]

i mean their primary is sability and performance for sure, but they are making some balance changes to all the systems too so they arent ignoring other feedback

[summer elk]

most professions need to be fueled by other professions and you can't train them all, so right now the biggest problem is getting all the materials since there is no marketplace or auction yet. You can try to buy thing on global chat but its not convinient and you rarely get any deals

[glacial helm]

That's fair. My real complaint I suppose is that the placeholder they have isn't a very good one. It would have been nice to have one that was better outwardly representive of a working economy, even if the engine behind it wasn't there.

[flint sapphire]

Yeah they should have definitely just put it all in at once in phase 1 lol but w.e

They had other things to work on

They definitely need to raise the level cap for phase 2 and let us get all the way to GM

That way every aspect gets tested before phase 3

And they can iterate on it again before player auction houses

[glacial helm]

Maybe, maybe not. I don't think that, if you have good mechanics, they need to change towards higher levels. You should know exactly what GM is like from working through Apprenticeship.

[gusty oracle]

If anything the current iteration of crafting shows how interlinked professions are and how difficult later crafts will be. Especially cooking

Also phase 1 was always just a stress test I'm sure they expected to have had to wipe by now

[glacial helm]

Yeah - I think the way it will work is that hunters will drop carcasses off at cookhouses, and be paid in cooked meat, or currency. Cooks wont need to hunt, but will bring fuel and cook the carcases that are there (if they are there), and will have to leave enough cooked meat to cover what was paid to the hunter + some for the processor, that will be sold by the processor vendor. All the transactions influenced by the supply. That is the only way I see a working economy going. So if the cookhouse is full of wolf carcasses, it will pay very little for more and eventually wont buy any at all.

[pliant crown]

would love to try different iterations of ideas if possible for sure

[flint sapphire]

Hmm yeah but if they also want to test balancing out having access to the rest of the skill tree is crucial isnt it?

Unless they get capped at 25 or something idk

[glacial helm]

I have in my head that the sort of balancing you are talking about is more of a Beta Test function, and that it should be possible to establish the balance ratios in first 2/3 of the skill tree. But I have never developed a game, so I havent got any real clue.

[sly flare]

Is there a specific place to make artisan system suggestions? I feel like they're missing a cool few options with some materials that fit with the dual purpose material bill (aka cows for milk or food/leather etc)

[pliant crown]

i think the best place is probably the alpha 2 forums, they have a specific artisian section, i imagine whichever cm goes through there complies information for the devs from that since it is in one organized place

[sly flare]

Thank you, ill have a look on there and make a post about it with some info

[pliant crown]

i made my complaing post about gearing in there a while ago lol just a matter of waiting at this point to see what happens

[fossil dew]

My big complaint is how useless cooking feels right now

[pliant crown]

on top of npc selling the food for less money than it cost you to make it

[fossil dew]

I’m also not a fan of cooking and farming being in the processing spot for artisan

I think cooking should be in crafting

[pliant crown]

the advantage of it being processing is you dont need to find the recipees in the world, but i can see where that'd be part of the fun

[fossil dew]

Yeah I’d like for recipes to drop off beast mobs

That’d be fun

[raven harness]

I think the issue with this is that IRL, beasts would almost never be able to interact with recipes, let alone cary/drop them
They're being very intentional with what type of items drop from different types of mobs

[crisp umbra]

They are definitely going to have to make a pass on quantity of production items. Right now, only Grem Skins generate 5 for 1. Every thing else is 1 to 1. One Flax for one Linen, one Wood Chip for one Log? Gimme a break.

[pseudo mortar]

All skins are x5

And I agree I think all processing should be x5 or maybe atleast x3

[pallid jolt]

What are the current artisan certification restrictions vs. what are the planned artisan certification restrictions per character? I would like to play around with them but I dont know how focused I need to be with each character.

[swift sonnet]

Hello I haven't really played as of yet but I'm very exited to get started on Friday. I have been doing some looking into how the game works and the different classes and I had an idea that I don't know the feasibility of that I wanted to suggest.

so basically what it boils down to is at time of crafting slot system that allows for the slotting of small sub skill trees on the weapon.

I think this would create more incentive for players to actively commission gear specific to their playstyle and build upon the "anyone can equip anything" system the game has.

[cobalt patrol]

There are different equipment slots for gathering/processing

[compact fable]

I think the crafting system as it stands is plenty complicated enough

[swift sonnet]

My concern was more for the uniqueness of the end result than the process. in reality a person who wants a crafter to make piece of gear would already have the slots pre thought out. also I feel the need to clarify that when I say slot sub skill trees I don't mean individual skills slotted in, I mean that the slot item already has a group of skills in it. like a slot item has 4 skills themed around fire damage for example.

[compact fable]

I still think this is a lot of unneeded complexity, further gear kinda already has pre-set stat blocks for affinities

And crafts in general already have various trade offs, recipes that prio quality over quantity or xp for example

I think the system doesnt really need uniqueness, it needs to be a bit more approachable learning wise

And yeah, im helping people write guides for it and sometimes those become videos for other ppl

but rn ppl just need more of a "where do I even go from here"

[cobalt patrol]

Interacting with other players and professions is a must

[swift sonnet]

I just find it a shame to have a system where a wizard can equip a great sword and not actually do much good with it. I don't know how complex the crafting process is but it is overall irrelevant to my suggestion since looking at the wiki makes it seem like all one handed swords have the same abilities and passives. why not have class locked gear if you are just going to have a one hand sword be useless in the hands of a wizard?

[compact fable]

Bc versatility is important, it does feel clunky as ever to use a bow as a wizard but I appreciate that I can make that choice myself

Sometimes you need to just let people make their own decisions for gear and see what happens

[swift sonnet]

and here we have arrived at the why of my suggestion. a player walking up and asking if you could craft them a bow and slot in these two crystals would not increase complexity outside of actually selecting them when that part of the process begins. I'm not suggesting either that there isn't discussion to be had about crafting being too complicated either.

[compact fable]

And we go back to my statement before, you want to add on top of the current system, cool I think its a bit much complexity wise to factor that in at the time of crafting

If its a post-crafting process that puts affinities onto items sure

like an augment system, but idk that just sounds like more stuff to tack onto god knows what profession

I mean just try out artisan and see where you stand

Its definitely a different thing to experience

If you want to experience the full experience for it you are probably best off coming to Lyneth and using the various apprentice stations we have up

[swift sonnet]

I mean I don't know what the crafting is like so I can't comment on that front but I would less say it's a suggestion to add it on so much as factor it in. if during testing players get annoyed at the complexity and time it takes then I would imagine there could be talks on how to simplify.

[compact fable]

The big thing with ashes, is more it doesnt need simplification as it needs explanation

its just a really deep thing to understand properly

Gathering and gatherables are notably challenging

especially when most guilds are echoing misinformation about nodes like "oh if you mine the basalt it will become copper one day"

the best thing we can do is just help others learn the system, let intrepid cook, and see where we go from there

as it stands we have a LOT more to learn about the crafting system before we can even think to add to it

[thorny atlas]

The complexity of artisanship is glorious I think. Explanations, on the other hand, could definitely use some work overall.

[cobalt patrol]

I've seen this happen with herbalism gatherables. Harvested daffodils/snowdrops and it would spawn different gatherable

[compact fable]

anecdotal

[cobalt patrol]

Sure, but the tech is there

[compact fable]

had some gms verify

those 2 gatherables are straight up different types tho

[cobalt patrol]

indeed

[compact fable]

and it also depends if its a static node or a dynamic placement node

but imma skip a 3rd node discussion for the day

[cobalt patrol]

Oh, we are using both styles 😄

Thanks for the link

[swift sonnet]

hmmm, from what I heard the recourse spawns are random (I assume not completely), they spawn pretty much in pvp enabled zones. if you manage to collect the mats you bring it back to a settlement and sell it to refiners since you can only have two professions between gather, refine, and craft, then they sell refined recourses to the crafters who make gear. is that roughly right?

[glass portal]

I read this and it got me thinking.

I want to look like a cool wizard with a giant templar shield and hammer

but have the shield be a big book.

[swift sonnet]

this was similar to my thinking.

[glass portal]

realistically, I think second archetypes will allow this

fighter-wizard

[swift sonnet]

wizard with a sword is classics and so is havel mage

[glass portal]

I prefer mage-cleric as a classic

[swift sonnet]

I was looking into bard and summoner.

[glass portal]

bard-fighter should be called "Ska Punk"

[steel prairie]

Does anyone know what building is required to craft the apprentice hunting bow? Couldn’t see anything on the wiki

[thorny atlas]

Cookhouse

[whole abyss]

But at the moment the cookhouse is almost impossible to build. #alpha-two-bugs-issues-old message

[fading stump]

devs are away of the wool thread bug so should be fixed relatively quickly

[whole abyss]

Yes, hoping for that too. Does not seem like a difficult one to tackle, and the severity is very high.

[cedar hare]

The most difficult building to do too lol

[still pagoda]

Is anyone leveling scribing from apprentice to journeyman? How much did you need to craft to get apprentice? And how hard is it to get to journeyman?

[glacial helm]

Artisanship needs two changes, for which they require a vendor at each Artisan facility. Firstly that vendor will barter gatherable material sold, for that facility's pocesseed product, without the gatherer having to process it, and second they will sell the processed good to any node citizen that wants to buy (or anyone in the starter area). Obviously a processor or crafter will do the processing supplying the fuel and get a lot more, and later when the economy is added, the whole thing can be balanced with supply/demand, but in the meantime, it uncouples all the professions, and will make testing them way easier!

[pseudo mortar]

Tbh a lot of bottleneck issues will be solved by having an auction house or player markets.

If we could just post things for sale in a node instead of needing to meet up with people, more goods will move between players

[covert niche]

Would most of that, auction house, player shops, etc, go in around or shortly after Dec 20? Next phase does have economy as a highlighted test point.

[glacial helm]

If I gather copper ore, I would go to a processor to sell it, not sell it in a market. That makes no sense.

You only sell finished goods in a market.

Ysually

[tribal lotus]

Player shops is phase 2 auction house is phase 3

[glacial helm]

Well, adding a vendor isn't anything to do with adding the economy. That will entail the vendor setting the price he is buying/selling stuff based on the supply he has of each. That will be easier if there is a vendor there as well, even if you decide to remove the vendor before launch.

But I'd still keep the vendor. making players do that basic commerce seems more like work than fun.

[sweet holly]

Im sure i saw something they might be pushing forward a basic player shop type thing to bring it in ASAP

[glacial helm]

If you do put the vendor in then you do create the possibility for a merchant to buy product at one node and take it to another node to sell. That would be more fun, particularly with bandits on the road...

[nova ridge]

but if you're a gatherer not a processor, then you'd just sell the raw materials to a processor, unless you are also focusing on that process profession

plus, the way MMO economies usually shake out, the raw copper will be worth more (or at least, worth more than than the copper shards+processing cost), because processors will be willing to take a loss in order to get the xp from refining it

[drifting gust]

Yeah, it seems really hard to turn a good profit with crafting. I'm trying to level woodworking and to make the simplest thing I need to go cut down trees myself and wait 10 minutes to turn them into timber, for 20c profit.

[nova ridge]

yeah, any real profit is going to come from processing higher level materials/gear to sell to other players

[cosmic agate]

^ 100% this. If you look at the stats on different tiers of crafted items, there is a drastic improvement for even Rare vs. Uncommon.