alpha-two-artisan-chat

[tepid drum]

Adding this channel. This is a place to discuss all Artisan classes! Feel free to discuss Gathering, Processing, and Crafting things here

[wraith pawn]

first

[wind sleet]

woo

[tall gyro]

great idea!

[left hare]

Recently noticed a "Heat Acceleration", "Heat Deceleration", and "Peak Heat" value on timber (and perhaps other fuels.) Maybe it's not in the game yet, but I've just seen it around. Would love to see Processing and other professions get a fresh coat of "skill-based artisanship" (a.k.a., "manual crafting) as those numbers suggest!

[atomic galleon]

hold up new channel

[left hare]

I made a long post last year about the virtues I saw in having more manual involvement in artisanship. If folks would like to take a peek and let me know if you agree / like the ideas, that'd be cool!
https://forums.ashesofcreation.com/discussion/comment/431568/#Comment_431568

It doesn't go into the specifics of execution (as the devs would surely have fun ways to implement), it just talks about the reasons I think it'd be valuable & fun.

[round willow]

I believe processing is too expensive and crafting is too cheap. Imo they should be switched and offload the cost of an item more towards crafting than processing

[woven stone]

Woohooo

ARTISAN CHAT ON TOP!!

please fix fishing

[balmy ingot]

What's wrong with fishing?

[median geyser]

we fish in the air not in water ^^

[pliant crown]

i agree cause in the end you can sell the finished product for more

potentially

[gloomy barn]

https://tenor.com/view/game-fish-penguin-fishing-catch-gif-2597202701689757835

[pliant crown]

im hoping there is some adjustment to the crafting -> gearing process so its not just the worst way to go about it

[woven stone]

Nah, im talking about its general afkness

[round willow]

Yep, and processing already costs a lot in time, and is even more punished in gold cost. Crafting for now is only gated by the processed mats, which people will be shying away from due to the heavy time and money costs

[median geyser]

True

but not sure it is considering as fixing if the feature is as expected

[woven stone]

ALSO -- Roshen mentioned in the #bug channeel the other day that ANIMAL HUSNABDRY's current experience is looking to increase. In its current form, it gives the lowest experience per silver by a HUGE margin

they said this was unintentional -more to come

[pliant crown]

yea was gonna say when i saw that 70 silver price tag i said lmao maybe one day

[woven stone]

I dont know how level 2 artisan buildings work, but my only request would be to have MULTIPLE WORK ORDERS per building. Like... let me make daffodil powder and red ink at the same timeeeee

[pliant crown]

i read on the forums that higher tiers of buildings give you more work order slots or something but i havent seen it yet since my server is.. troll but also we got screwed by the resource bug for most of the weekend

[balmy ingot]

Steven pretty explicitly wants refining to be time gated

[azure snow]

@woven stoneApprentice stations have 2 slots. They do not run at the same time, but you can queue 2 jobs

[round willow]

They want that to be restricted to freeholds and T5 economic nodes, of which we don't have any rn

[woven stone]

ill take it!

[azure snow]

and now that you can process a stack of 50, you can really go through stuff fast.

[pliant crown]

im hoping the copper/zinc/ruby shortage is slightly buffed because the amount of things that use copper is pretty high
ruby is only because they want 1 ruby = 1 hp pot and those potions are.... something

[woven stone]

Ok, artisan chat, we all have limited choices of the 22 artisan options to advance to higher certificates

....What yall doing?

Apprentice: [Fishing], [Cooking], [Herbalism], [Farming], [Alchemy]
Journeyman: [Fishing], [Cooking], [Herbalism], [Alchemy]
Master: [Fishing], [Herbalism], [Alchemy]
GrandMaster: [Herbalism], [Alchemy]

[pliant crown]

i want to do arcane engineering but i havent really gotten much of a supply of copper

[woven stone]

think phase 3 and beyond - whats the goal

[pliant crown]

i havent decided what the other professions are because i think it needs a lot

[balmy ingot]

I can tell you the most popular profession by far will be animal husbandry...everyone wants to breed Pokémon xD

[azure snow]

I would encourage all miners to gather basalt and granite to help increase the chance of copper/zinc respawns. You can get mining exp, character exp, glint from gather commissions, and maybe get a legendary basalt or granite for armor/weapon crafting.

@woven stoneArmor and weapons!

[woven stone]

I think everyone has an obsession with animal husbandry for its intended future use cases, but dont understand the gargantuin gold sink it currently is

that and the rngesus components

5 bears in the oven = 1 mount and 4 beasts of burdens

[azure snow]

but that's the short term plan since we can only progress to journeyman 🙂

[woven stone]

the 4 bobs are nice for caravans, but I need mah mounts

[jaunty terrace]

Quick question here, does reagents quality (green,blue,heroic,purple, legendary) are available yet ? Are we unlocking them by constructing buildings ?

[azure snow]

Gatherables come in all rarities. Purchased materials do not and I don't think they affect craft quality.

[pliant crown]

yea they dont effect crafting quality it is a little confusing though lol

[left hare]

It'd be a little funny if (material available in only one quality) did impact the final outcome's rarity—but hey, maybe it still might!

[jaunty terrace]

ok so only gatherables items got quality variation ?

[azure snow]

@jaunty terracecorrect

[jaunty terrace]

Ty

[azure snow]

I have focused more on armor and weapons. Those rely fully on gathered and processed materials. So I'm not 100% sure on other things that require vendor materials. I do know, however, that a heroic magical powder was made from heroic daffodil and heroic snowdrop. And that uses essence crystal from the vendor.

[pliant crown]

reminds me that the price to craft a potion from alchemy was somewhere between 20-30 copper coins but if you bought the potion from the npc it was 6 copper coins lol

i did test crafting a potion with higher quality mats as well and it does not produce a higher quality potion it makes the same basic potion

[olive bobcat]

did you use all higher tier mats or a mix of common and higher tier?

[azure snow]

crafting is expensive. From gathering to processing to crafting. It's a money sink, hehe

[woven stone]

for levels 1, yes, but the long-term result is that higher certificates of the artisan skill produce items not sold by vendors

[woven stone]

vendor items are not included in rarity of crafted/processed result

I have tested this with different rarities on different artisan classes - its only the rarity of the material YOU provide

Though getting multiple heroic or higher rariteies for a single craft is tough(i.e. 10 copper shards for a nerw tool, but you only have 8 rare copper and 2 normal)

[pliant crown]

mostly just thinking how it was mentioned to lower the cost of processing would help with the inflated cost to make it yourself vs just buying it from npc

[woven stone]

Tools you craft can increase likelihood of rarity when gathering. This has a trickle down effect on the percentage of chances you can make higher tier crafts

Becoming a node citizen usually incurs discounts at that particular node's crafting stations, but I don't know the details

[azure snow]

Though I think tools are broken right now. My heroic pick axe is not getting more rares for sure!

[woven stone]

: / its a slight chance, still rng

some of the gathering tools are for faster speed of gathering, while vendor-purchased or crafted clothing items can give bonuses to rarity

[round willow]

you mean we all are limited in the buildings currently built on the map 😄

[fading stump]

speed and rarity is bugged on anything higher than blue on apprentice atm

[woven stone]

but those are wonky too... The animal husbandry shiirt costs lik 7 silver and says "Reduces time of production" .... it reduced the time for a craft from 30minutes by 20 seconds lol

[round willow]

you cant go journeyman alchemist unless a laboratory is build on a node that is upgraded into alchemy

and buildings are extremely expensive

[woven stone]

yeah

[azure snow]

@fading stumpMight need to make a rare pick axe then, lol!

[round willow]

so you can only go whatever the server decides you're allowed to go xd

[woven stone]

we wont see artisan buildings going to apprentice/journemyan for another week

though, most servers are working towards apprentice

[muted basin]

I do the artisanning

[pliant crown]

has anyone seen any alchemy recipees for apprentice alchemy or does that just have recipees since it is not a crafting profession

[woven stone]

My server, Vyra, have a 'council of mayors' who are trying to cover all the bases by spreading out the buildings

[azure snow]

we have apprentice lumbermill on Lyneth...stoneworks almost done too I believe.

[woven stone]

gotta get that tier 2 axe

[muted basin]

Why would you ever want to make this?

[woven stone]

to make high end caravan materials

every material has a purpose, even if not in the game yet

[round willow]

artisan potential progression is soooo much slower than levelling progression (gated by expensive buildings). By the time people can make apprentice (lvl10) gear, more than half the server is lvl 20+

[azure snow]

Maybe a nice bow too?

[muted basin]

Oh I can barely find anything on caravan stuff

[woven stone]

some stuff could be used for future navy buildings

All caravan buildings are part of carpentry

just open the menu in game

[olive bobcat]

this is profession dependent. i hit journeyman lumberjacking, have two other apprentice professions, and three others above 7. some of the copper/zinc dependent crafting professions will lag behind due to their scarcity atm, yeah.

you could actually say artisan progression is faster than class leveling, considering i wasnt focused on a single profession, whereas the sweaty class levelers above 20 is all they were doing.

[round willow]

so either make mobs only drop recipes and no gear at all which will hopefully encourage people to focus developing node buildings instead of grinding levels.

Or (just for the sake of A2 with lower number of players than launch) reduce the buildings costs), For Lotharia for example, there are only ~100 active players per node which makes it very hard to make and upgrade buildings

[pliant crown]

yea the profession making gear vs grinding mob pipeline rightnow is really not well balanced to make crafting feel amazing other than hey you can twink out a new character lol

im unsure how it would have felt properly if resna wasnt locked out of any meaningful ore progression for all of the weekend outside the last 5hrs

double also: allow the UI to somehow show you what buildings the nodes have at least completed since you have to be a citizen to see what has a work order

[olive bobcat]

technically, you can see and fill any nodes work orders by visiting the requisition vendor in that node. dont need to be a citizen of any node for that.

[woven stone]

to be fair, I think drop tables will change drastically in later phases of alpha

[pliant crown]

i did notice this but i couldnt figure out what they were working on, i think it had the building name but it didnt mean anything to me since i didnt know what it did, let alone running to each town just to check what they might be working on if i know takes hours

but yea i forgot it does tell you if you talk to that npc, if you're part of the node you can open the node UI to see what your node is working on from anywhere

but its more of if we assume not every city will have everything maxed out it is pretty annoying to find out what they do have

not to mention much longer term when the world is bigger

[olive bobcat]

yeah, its definitely a massive time sink. for vyra, we have an unofficial discord that the mayors post info in regarding buy orders and what not.

[pliant crown]

in resna i asked several times in game and in here and they dont say anything so im like ugh

wish i picked a different server to test things in lol

[olive bobcat]

you can always swap. we've only technically had these characters for, uh, 5 days or so considering down time, so its not like it would be impossible to catch back up.

[pliant crown]

but my hours grinded

mostly just wanted to test as much as i can while also enjoying myself and although i only got to character level 10 i grinded a lot of professions

trying to not do that too much during testing since in the far future i'd do it all over again anyway

[atomic galleon]

we got some exp adjustments happening on PTR for Artisanship

[pliant crown]

i just saw im pogged

if it is basically to keep the resource quanity rates as they are but now you dont need to craft 1000 items (so to speak i dont know the numbers) it is one of the ways i wanted them to try that

[tight cedar]

I think I am looking to go in this direction personally - pretty close to yours but slight deviation.
Apprentice - Herbalism, Hunting, Alchemy, Animal Husbandry, Farming
Journeyman -Hunting, Animal Husbandry, Farming, Alchemy
Master -Animal Husbandry, Hunting, Farming
Grandmaster - Animal Husbandry, Farming

I would also like to have another toon who specializes in Arcane Engineering, but that might be too much of an undertaking so the above will have to do for now. Contemplating switching Alchemy with Cooking

[clever orbit]

Use my spreadsheet

It’s built for this

https://www.tinyurl.com/AoCArtisanSkillPlanning

[clever orbit]

@tight cedar @woven stone

[pliant crown]

think of it long term just for arcane engineering for example, you need mining, herbalism, metal.. uhh the metal refining thing, alchemy -> arcane engineering recipees

so as time goes on you will be forced to buy resources from other people

in a guild setting im sure you can get discounts from people but its definitely something i want to test

since its a very 'solo' kind of thing to do professions

[stiff nymph]

@tepid drum I replied in this forum post ( https://forums.ashesofcreation.com/discussion/61877/artisan-progression ), could you please confirm how progression works? When you advance From apprentice to journeyman, does the journeyman skill still take up an apprentice slot, or does it open up for another skill to fill in. Thanks for reading.

[clever orbit]

Use my sheet I linked above to see how it works

[pliant crown]

short version lvl 1-10 = 22 professions, lvl 10-20 = 5 professions, lvl 20-30 = 4 professions, lvl 30-40 = 3 professions, level 40=50 = 2 professions

[stiff nymph]

I've seen and used your sheet, and think it is great if thats how it works, but the sheet is only correct if they confirm that each tier maintains the slot from the tier below. If it opens up the slot then your sheet does not work. I just want a dev to confirm if it does or not.

[clever orbit]

It’s accurate - I think if you check the wiki page for artisan classes then you can find a quote of how it works

[stiff nymph]

this wiki note? it does not say a journeyman maintains apprentice slot, just that there are 4 journeyman slots and 5 apprentice slots.

[pliant crown]

im not sure i understand what question you are having but my current plan is like 10-20 professions will be mining, herbalism, alchemy, metalworking(forgot name), and arcane engineering, but by lvl 50 im assuming i will probably just have alchemy and arcane engineering (we'll see how it all works long term)

[tight cedar]

But there's also a strong desire to create an inn and tavern and grandmaster in cooking and farming

[pliant crown]

i think you'll probably need herbs from herbalism and meat from hunters, and fish from fishers for cooking long term but i didnt fully explore it

[fading stump]

animal husbandry wouldnt be worth taking without hunting at grandmaster as you would only be earning commission of training peoples mounts and not being able to hunt the mount yourself to train and sell

[pliant crown]

think of it where you'll probably level all 5 of those to 20 and then slowly condense it down as you get to max level

[pliant crown]

i was thinking the same, but i bet you when animal husbandry is completed you will probably want farming

since i think its in a basic state rn kinda like fishing

[fading stump]

yea you could take master farming and then you would get everything but the last tier, could also join up with a GM farmer and have them on your freehold

[pliant crown]

yeppp thats why im curious to see how the planned system works out super long term

cause like the amount of professions needed to craft items in the crafting tier is kinda substantial so idk if it will feel good or not since artisian stuff is mostly solo stuff

like long term im thinking 2 gatherers could gather together that have different gathering professions leveled but their items are probably not going to be in the same places so idk if that would even feel good or not

[clever orbit]

Mm I guess it’s not on the wiki but I know there has been clarification on it - that’s the whole reason I made the spreadsheet bc it is confusing and needed clarification

[pliant crown]

definitely need an in game UI that lets you know hey dont waste your time leveling everything

[fading stump]

technically it wont be a waste of time once player shops and auction houses are a thing, just atm its either vendor it or give it to a guildie to use

lots of the novice stuff is needed so will always sell

[pliant crown]

true but you dont need to level them to 10 so to speak

can leave it at base and just gather whenever

the nerf to base gathering tools to be 60 durability instead though 💀

hopefully copper wont be as painful

[kind sierra]

https://tenor.com/view/i-have-the-raw-talent-to-cook-the-raw-meat-jake-danteh-houston-outlaws-outlaws-gif-23804786

[pliant crown]

hahaha

does anyone know if the processing professions have recipees they need to find/unlock from mobs or if it is just crafting classes

[fading stump]

processing recipes is all unlocked via certification at least for novice + apprentice, cant say much for journeyman and up yet

[pliant crown]

ok that makes sense

good to know too so worst case if i dont enjoy suffering the final crafting tier

i can become a gather/processer lol

[hexed falcon]

I went to upgrade to Apprentice at lvl 10 and I didn't get anything. Does it actually upgrade?

[pliant crown]

the station you use at the node has to be upgraded

so if its still a novice station i think is the issue

[hexed falcon]

Ah gotcha! Thnks

[fading stump]

gotta go to wildnerness station if you dont have a apprentice building for that profession built on server yet
can upgrade to apprentice but wont be able harvest the stuff till building for your tool is built tho

[pliant crown]

oh the stations where you talk to the npc are apprentice stations?

good to know

[fading stump]

novice stations but you can upgrade your certification by talking to the guy there, still need the nodes to build the building

[pliant crown]

ahh ok i was thinking i didnt check what station level the guys were standing next to so yee gotta wait

[fading stump]

rip crafting,new patch just F'ed it, now needs 500 items crafted to reach apprentice crafting now, for weaponsmithing that is 4000 copper at the minimum

hate to see what master -> grandmaster is gonna be

[pliant crown]

pretty much why i was like the rate of copper is wayyy too low for how much was needed

its like is crafting supposed to be something to have or no lol

is that more or less than before? i never could find enough copper to make 1 item to even test exp

[fading stump]

the copper spawns were just a problem with how all the rocks and ore spawned, there was plenty to find just had to mine all the stone as well and then it would respawn else where

but it was about 1k copper to apprentice before now its 4x as much, 1k was doable

[pliant crown]

what the why is it worse

guess im not touching crafting :/

[summer cove]

Yikes

[pliant crown]

well if say copper was as common as basalt and granite that'd be different but i didnt see that changed

me @ who made this decision why you hate us lol

[violet siren]

That’s real bad if true

Already takes long enough to process the shit

[copper pagoda]

don't forget, copper is needed to make T2 brass (apprentice tools for starters) and T2 Bronze (weapon / armor / jewel, etc)

so the 22,000 more combines to get to 20, not to mention, will probably also be needed in T3, as they only add 1 more metal at journeyman, which means alloys are still going to be a thing

[pliant crown]

its not a 'fun' way to handle it at the very least, if it was intention to make it significantly worse than it was lol

also this is my current understanding of how the artisian leveling would work if i think this is what some people mighta been confused on

sorry about it not lining up properly i was being lazy

and its just an example of my thought on what i would do leveling professions

[pliant crown]

i wanted to add that if this was changed and copper/zinc spawned as the 'most common' like how basalt and granite are it would actually be okay for testing it in the other direction

[fading stump]

its still pretty rough as T2 requires both and the xp from 10-20 just gets worse

[severe ocean]

does anyone know where to go to level hunting after you reach lvl 10?

[covert raven]

I’d guess the Cookhouse east of LionHold? Cooking/Hunting/Fishing?

Then you’d need a node to build the cookhouse to get your T2 tool.

Please remember (and tell others) that the upgrade cert vendor sometimes needs you to SCROLLWHEEL to see the third option.

There isn’t a ui indication that you would need to do this.

[desert skiff]

So... crafting is null and void at this time

no money incoming all the money outgoing is unsustainable and now with the xp hike we may see lvl 20 crafters once people hit 50 in their mainclass lol

relegating crafting to the why bother stage

[lyric plaza]

it is an alpha after all. I wouldn't expect crafting to become a focus to devs until at minimum december for wave 2, and probably more likely some time next year, maybe wave 3

[pliant crown]

sort of, it would be good to get a feel for what a good balance is while its in a basic state before doing more wild changes later

cause why have recipees and stuff

[desert skiff]

Crafting is a massive part of the game. It is one of the reason node progressions exist. That is like saying combat should not be a focus because it is an alpha. That is just silly.

[lyric plaza]

well they wont be focusing on node progression until wave 2

[hexed falcon]

There's some pools of water, east of the citael that had turtles you could tame. And a "graveyard" east of the starting area that had some other creatures, too

[lyric plaza]

Test goals for Wave 1 are : Scalability, Stability, Performance, and Progression ( I imagine this has to do with leveling, it could mean something else idk)

[fading stump]

problem was they specifically nerfed the crafting and killed any reason to test it this phase, before the patchnotes you still had reason to try it out etc but now its 400% harder and if they arent focusing on node / crafting then they shouldnt have touched the xp rates

[lyric plaza]

thats fair, but it doesn't change my expectations for this wave. I mean, you can't get to max level either, and very few quests. In general they nerfed a ton of the game for wave 1 for the purpose of focusing on their test goals. Seems smart to me tbh

[tight cedar]

Yea thats very true, hunting should obviously be grand master as well

[proper kiln]

I made this and it can be wielded by any lvl 1. I'm sure someone would pay a decent amount for it, or I can just pass it to guild members leveling up once I have no use for it, so far at least nothing is soulbound

[pliant crown]

it depends on if the artisian changes were crazy nerfs to leveling rate or not without address copper/zinc shortage since it asks for so much but it doesnt hurt to make yourself level 1 gear if you can get the rare mats for it

[proper kiln]

where you on Resna?

[pliant crown]

i like the making yourself rare gear stuff just at least cause of how my server worked i found a total of 8 copper nodes over 2 weekends lol

yea

[proper kiln]

they fixed the spawns saturday

[pliant crown]

it was sunday at like 7pm

lol

[proper kiln]

there was an issue with the winter

yeah sunday i ment lol

[pliant crown]

but i found 4 of my 8 total nodes in the last few hours which is fine

but from the person earlier if it went from essentially 1k copper to 4k copper so to speak to go from lvl 1-10 that is a substantial change

just depends on what exactly was changed

[flint patio]

i understand that if you use high quality mats on a grey quality recipe, ull only get grey, but what about hte inverse? if you have a legendary quality recipe, do you need legendary quality materials?

[proper kiln]

yeah my guildies went hard looking and we got a ton of mats in just an hour or so because at 8 we ran an hour and a half long caravan run

[pliant crown]

recipee just is, mats effects outcome

[proper kiln]

if you use high quality mats you can make high quality items, for weapons and armor atleast

[flint patio]

even if the recipe is gray?

[proper kiln]

yeah

[pliant crown]

the first 4 nodes i found on the first weekend, those ores got deleted by the storage bug lol

[flint patio]

so whats the point of tiered recipes at all then

[proper kiln]

oh no

[pliant crown]

so i have like 14 copper from 2 weekends of looking for hours at a time

so it was already very annoying [mind you wasted a ton of time past weekend not knowing it was only spawning in the lionshold area during winter]

havent been able to make anything that uses copper 💀

[proper kiln]

id assume tiered recipes guarantee higher stats and require higher mats, the white recipe with higher quality mats could give you a higher quality item but give a lower roll on stats

[pliant crown]

but longer term i was just thinking lvl 10-20 will still use copper

that would make sense that rarer recipees are just better general gear

[flint patio]

ok i see

so a white recipe with legendary mats will just produce a bad legendary weapon

but a legendary recipe with white mats will prdouce a very good white weapon

for instance

[pliant crown]

i like the idea of you need a lot more mats but also make that mat actually common so how basalt and granite were fairly common, that should be the idea for copper/zinc rates and just make it so you need a ton in comparison so you feel like you are making progress instead of wandering around a lot

[proper kiln]

thats my theory yeah, cause the blue weapon i crafted could have been much better stat wise

[pliant crown]

but i want them to try out different ways of us getting the stuff while they server testing

[proper kiln]

it can be fustrating at times but I like the idea of copper/zinc being more scarce. They seem to have a much higher chance to be higher quality then basalt and granite. just guessing here but I'd say of all my basalt/granite nodes (i got to lvl 10 mining the first week) 80% where common quality, but my copper/zinc nodes were about 60% common and the other 40% where a mix of uncommon/rare/heroic/legendary

with the bug where no copper/zinc was anywhere that's too scarce lol

[pliant crown]

i did not find anything past green rarity on them until after i hit 10 and got the carrying bags that have "plus rarity" and the shirt for it

so i cant say how rare stuff is since the rarity increase passives seem to work

[proper kiln]

i def got legendary and heroic before hitting lvl 10

[pliant crown]

oh not me

until i got the rarity increase for mining mining on granite and basalt and found 0 blue, purple, or legendary ores, but once i got the rarity increase i did find legendary basalt

[proper kiln]

i was able to make a blue quality Sanctus Great Spellsword before i hit lvl 7 mining

[pliant crown]

wish i could find enough copper to have made my own weapons lol

[proper kiln]

you play solo?

[pliant crown]

mostly right now i was thinking it may not be effecient for actually leveling profesisons but i shoulda been able to make my own gear

problem being i killed a handful of humanoids, found purple book and a few other gear pieces within an hour

in comparison

my main thing was i couldnt find enough for one person how the heck would i have found anything for anyone else

lol

[proper kiln]

yeah lucky drops will drop the interest in grinding to craft lol fortunately RNGesus hates me and will not drop me good gear so i gotta make it myself lol

[pliant crown]

i just dont think the novice stuff should be super awful to get since its not like we can level everything anyway

[proper kiln]

you gotta get recipes off humanoid mobs there are better recipes even in novice level

[pliant crown]

weirdly i never found any recipees for lvl 1 gear

[proper kiln]

luckily my guild gives me the weaponsmithing recipes

[pliant crown]

but i killed some level 15 goblins and found like 2 recipees

[proper kiln]

the minotaurs

they drop Sanctus Recipes

[pliant crown]

one was for arcane engineering, the other was for leatherworking, i gave the leatherworking recipee to a guy who was trying to sell some leather gear for people

is there low level minos?

[proper kiln]

lvl 9s

[pliant crown]

i ended up not fighting them much cause that 6-9 range for me they were bugged and i didnt want to crash lol

killed level 13/14 1 star bears for exp from 9-10 pretty quick

[proper kiln]

oh yeah that was friday last week right

yeah we did a bear grind for awhile too

[pliant crown]

so different humanoids drop different recipees

[proper kiln]

yeah

[pliant crown]

so does that mean there are different versions of weapon recipees?

[proper kiln]

i got some drops from goblins that use wolf emblems

[pliant crown]

ohhhh thats what those emblems are for

i was going to grind the goblins again to see if they give me anything else this weekend

[proper kiln]

yeah emblems are for making items using that factions recipes

[pliant crown]

i'd love to do it as a party but free gear

my party experience was just dieing a bunch and losing time getting that exp back so im like hmmm

[proper kiln]

so far ive gotten Sanctus emblems, Skulker emblems and the wolf ones I forget what they were called

[pliant crown]

not even getting to get a bunch of glint for the time

i have a river emblem myself

[proper kiln]

i havent seen them, what area of the map you usually play in?

[pliant crown]

i kinda wish the game listed locked recipees

[proper kiln]

We live in New Aela so we spent 95% of our time so far there

[pliant crown]

joeva mostly but i have gone everywhere

there is this big mountain range and ponds that have a lot of ores

so i usually looked around there

[proper kiln]

I found a huge ore spot north west of Joeva sunday night

[pliant crown]

hmm weird i thought i went that direction but maybe it was more west

[proper kiln]

i just hope one of these nodes build a smithy soon so i can start collecting the tier 2 mats

[pliant crown]

i have no idea what anyone is working on i wish they'd just post it somewhere so i can know lol

[proper kiln]

It looked like Joeva built a farm?

[pliant crown]

yes i got a farm buff

but idk what that makes

i wonder if thats like uhhh

husbandry and farming?

[proper kiln]

that would make sense

[pliant crown]

but i didnt mentally put 2 and 2 together

[proper kiln]

better crop growing i guess

[pliant crown]

and after we got the summer time ore spawn again i was never in the city

and then i got distracted by killing goblins

and then steven trolled us and i burned 1.5hrs

so i didnt go to where he went later on since i was like i aint getting trolled twice

[proper kiln]

lol yeah i was doing a 7g caravan run while everyone was busy with steven

[pliant crown]

from my solo leveling i figured out how the chill/frozen stuff works properly

[proper kiln]

one of my guildies is now 40k xp in debt cause steven killed him so much lol

[pliant crown]

oop

thats not too horrible but can take a bit of time to get back

[flint patio]

is every piece of armor/weapon/jewelry enchantable?

[pliant crown]

i was thinking that is like 20 bears

i dont think enchanting is in the game

[proper kiln]

think so but its expensive

[pliant crown]

or was that upgrades

[flint patio]

there is

[proper kiln]

no it is

[flint patio]

its the scribing artisan

[proper kiln]

it just costs alot

[pliant crown]

oh scribing isnt just exp scrolls

also mentioning that

[flint patio]

yeah u can get +15 intelligence

with 1 scroll

[pliant crown]

oh nice

i know the basic food was already like +32 damage or whatever

combine those together for the big boy damage

it needs rubies to level right?

[flint patio]

jeweller+enchanter

is gonna be

[proper kiln]

vv do you know how to use the enchanting emblems?

[pliant crown]

for the ink

[flint patio]

a crazy ombo ngl

jewellery sucks so imagine

+15 int on every piece

[proper kiln]

the Runes

[flint patio]

lol

naw

i dont

[pliant crown]

if they do it like other games jewlery will have much smaller capacities than the other pieces of gear but you never know

[flint patio]

well if u can enchant them its incredibly stupid

[proper kiln]

how do you get +15 int?

[flint patio]

because theres like 5 jewelry slots

[pliant crown]

i would love to test all those things but can only do 1 thing at a time since its just me and depending on how leveling arcane engineering looks this weekend

[flint patio]

apprentice scroll of intelligence

or journeyman scroll of int is 22

[proper kiln]

you dont need apprentice tools to make those?

[pliant crown]

i will either hate myself looking for copper or i will just accept my life as an alchemist and kill goblins and minos

[flint patio]

dont think so just the mats the station and the level

[proper kiln]

but howd you get the apperentice mats?

[pliant crown]

i havent looked at scribe again cause i saw it needed rubies and was like i barely find those lol

[flint patio]

i mean i havent done it

im just saying

[proper kiln]

oh lol

[flint patio]

the fact u can enchant every piece of gear

when theres a shit ton of slots

is nuts

[proper kiln]

i was like damn

are you sure those scrolls aren't just buffs for your character? Cause I have an enchanting scroll and they can only do like +1 to weapons so far

[pliant crown]

i assumed they were 180min buffs

since the ones i had seen were buffs

but it has like 3 things it can make

[flint patio]

probably

maybe

im lk just looking at ashescodex

lmfao

[proper kiln]

lol

[pliant crown]

what i meant by enchanting is some of those systems i didnt think were in the alpha at this time

but i dont remember what was coming when

too lazy to look

[proper kiln]

it is out right now i have an enchanting scroll that will add +1 to every stat on an item but its like 48 silver to actually use it

[pliant crown]

ahh

not as expensive as animal husbandry

[proper kiln]

true lol

[pliant crown]

im poor cause i havent joined anyone to do caravan stuff

[proper kiln]

does making a mount even increase your animal husbandry level?

[pliant crown]

since that just appears to be free money

havent had enough money

[proper kiln]

unless you get robbed

[pliant crown]

kept burning it on crafting

i mean even at half success rate and a quarter of whats left would be more than i got

[flint patio]

whats it called

[pliant crown]

i am at like 30 silver or something

i tried to make money selling stacks of basalt and granite

not very effecient

[proper kiln]

I think its just called Enchanting Scroll but I don't remember I only looked at it once and the price was too steep lol

[pliant crown]

1 of everything is pretty nice but it'd be like

well this gear isnt legendary why waste it

[proper kiln]

exactly

[pliant crown]

steep costs all around for crafting

i assume they just want them to be the money pits but

[flint patio]

https://ashesofcreation.wiki/Enchantments

yeah it says here

[pliant crown]

i wanted to make myself hp/mp pots but the game said give me 24 copper coins or buy it from this npc for 6 instead

and i was like no potions then

not including crafting the potion dust thing from the flowers

[flint patio]

bro one thing

they gotta work on this wiki

istgf

its so confusing at times

[pliant crown]

the wiki is kinda mixed cause it has a lot of 'talk' information and not a lot of sorted into whats in the alpha atm

[proper kiln]

The Enchanting Scroll says its required to enchant gear, the intelligence one does not, im pretty sure its just a long buff

[flint patio]

ya

[pliant crown]

so its not very useful for in alpha information

[flint patio]

its just mixed ig

if u only get +2 that stinks

dang

[proper kiln]

ive seen plus 3 is possible

[pliant crown]

1 int was like +2 magic damage

and some other stuff

adds up

we got a lot of gear slots

[proper kiln]

but its +3 of every stat on your gear not just the intel or str

[pliant crown]

i'll probably look to join a guild this weekend since i did most of my solo testing, just have some profession stuff i wanted to still test but we'll see what it looks like on server up

[proper kiln]

base power, speed rating, crit chance, and base stats like dex, intel

[pliant crown]

3 to everything is a lottt

[flint patio]

oh wow

yea

esp as theres some insane drop items

which have like 5 rolls

[proper kiln]

Well if you see anyone from StevensATM thats us

[pliant crown]

can always join yall im excited that the font may be readable for me

[proper kiln]

TRUE

[pliant crown]

cause trying to read global was painful sometimes just cause i dont sit 2 inches from my monitor

[proper kiln]

well im out for the night see you all in game tomorrow

[pliant crown]

👋

[violet siren]

processing and crafting is like half the experience

on PTR

This is fucking rough

[round willow]

One feedback I wanna give (more towards phase 2) is to consider having trees, plants and some hunts to drop seeds that you should replant in the biome for another tree / flax etc.. to regrow instead of having random respawns

more fun that way, gives an option for people to shape up their node (like building a forest nearby, or a herb orchard etc..) and give citizens control over the biodiversity of the node

and for the hunts, when you get a creature (not a carcass) to have an additional option in husbandry ( on top of mount + beast of burden) to grow the creature to be harvested for leather or alternatively be able to have a small grem / wolf / deer etc.. ranch where they have a certain amount of reproductive cycles they can birth these creatures for harvesting until they die / can't birth anymore

[empty anvil]

We just need some better recipes ASAP

[compact fable]

These items are in the game iirc, there was some dataminers talking about it

granted on PTR they buffed the respawn rate for trees

so idk if its needed

[round willow]

yeah, the proposition is to have zero automatic respawn, but any gatherable (outside of ore and stone) being actually planted by a player beforehand

making gatherers then balance between ruthless farming, and repopulating the resources, and maybe have some node roles such as ecologists etc.. whose role is to maintain a balanced ecosystem, or mayoral commissions for replanting certain gatherables going extinct etc..

and to avoid the potential edge case of for example all Ash trees disappearing from the server, have a vendor that sells seeds but for an exhorbitant price to only be used in case these species are actually going extinct

[hearty estuary]

I'm trying to get into carpentry, what should be my secondary trees beside lumberJack/Mill?

[round willow]

mining / metallurgy

[heady geode]

anyone else here made feedback reports about the amount of organs we got to donate to build 1 mount just for it to become a beast of burden? or am i the only 1 not happy with the animal husbandry system

[hearty estuary]

Really? That surprises me

[magic mauve]

bows are mostly metal instead of wood for some reason

[hearty estuary]

What about for like furniture/caravans/ships?

[round willow]

still mining / metallurgy

[pliant crown]

its why copper shortage is a thing lol

[woven stone]

rng spawns of nodes

[brisk lichen]

Not a fan of lumber 'Adolescent' or 'Adult' now, it's not like you could tell the difference between the mature trees (larger) to younger ones (smaller), and the different yield between them.

[tame halo]

honestly surprised they only made changes to herb and tree spawn and not copper spawn

[earnest sail]

What's the break down for Professions? How many at Max Level, next level, etc?

[brisk lichen]

2x Grand Master (40-50) 3x Master (30-40) 4x Journeyman (20-30) 5x Apprentice (10-20) and all 22 Novice (1-10).

[hardy marsh]

Anyone know what fuel I can use for alchemy? Besides wasting more Daffodils? None of the vendor fuels seem to work.

[tulip epoch]

Are there any merchants to sell stuff to in Saimas?

[pliant crown]

the change to gathering seems to be 80 exp for gray quality, and 120 for green rarity -- i asume this effects crafting as well

[lyric plaza]

where can you find things to mine as a novice? and where abouts are they? everything i see is red

lots of trees to chop, but no stones or metals to mine it seems

[pliant crown]

you want to look in more 'mountainy' looking areas

they usually will be along the edges at the top or bottom

[pliant crown]

and then novice stuff is basalt, granite, copper, zinc, ruby

[lyric plaza]

thanks! im climbing a mountain as we speak

[pliant crown]

o7

so far today have found a much better balance of the tier 1 nodes too

[tulip epoch]

How does one repair their sickle when they've harvest roughly all of the snowdrops in the world?

[clever orbit]

Every vendor has a repair option in the bottom left

[tulip epoch]

That brings me to my next question of is there a vendor in Saima's?

[quiet juniper]

as a bard do I wear cloth or leather? trying to decide what crafting stuff I should pickup

[agile coyote]

so where do i make new tools? my axe broke

[pliant crown]

technically you can wear anything but this of it more like what stats you would use, i think bard uses magic so cloth stuff

[atomic galleon]

1. repair it at vendor
2. you craft em at tool making stations

[pliant crown]

each main node city has a tool crafting bench if you happen to have the resources but you need a handful of different items to make it

[violet scroll]

anyone know where the metalworking trainer is?

[leaden thorn]

im i crazy or is there no copper nor ruby in windstead node? Is that normal?

[fickle osprey]

Last weekend my character was bugged in that fishing didn't work at all (just made a clicking noise). I saw no update to this on patch notes or known bugs... anyone know if this is fixed or if my level 10 character is just never going to be able to fish?

[burnt flicker]

actually all the t1 flax I find seems bugged 🙂

[hardy marsh]

I think you're eventually going to be able to customize stats so he'll be able to have magic stats on any piece of armor. The game already has some as drops.

[paper heron]

i dropped this, does anyone know where i can actually do this?

[pliant crown]

animal husbandry -> 50% chance mount for caravan run 50% chance new mount = wolf

[paper heron]

Where does one do animal husbrandy?
Is it at a station like the stonemason / lumber? If so, are there set spots where I could find one?

[pliant crown]

its an actual station

the west side of lionhold into joeva once you cross a river there is a station there, otherwise each node should have 1 novice staiton i assume

[paper heron]

oh sweet tysm!
Ill go have a look there, i hjust dropped a second one as well, drop rate seems to be relatively high?

hoping to manage to get a wolf mount

[pliant crown]

idk if the rate was changed since i havent looked but past 2 weekends it was 70 silver coins to do 1 husbandy

[paper heron]

oh hmm i have 1silver and 50 copper, mioght have to farm some coin first then ahaha

ill try and find the place to do it in in the first place so i know where ill have to be later, and then i guess ill go and take some commissions or something to earn some silver

[pliant crown]

yeee im not sure what the best way to earn money is besides caravan runs that succeed but getting to that point is hard

[paper heron]

At this point im considering just grinding logs / carcasses and selling them, they seem to sell for a relatively ok amount

[grizzled fractal]

where do I get an apprentice sickle

[torn tulip]

Anybody knows, where I could get Cottom from? Or harvest?

[pearl cedar]

is the herb you're supposed to be leveling for first ten levels flax?

[grizzled fractal]

flax, snowdrop, daffodils

[pearl cedar]

but the snowdrop in the first area for teaching doesn't level you at all right

[pliant crown]

cotton is from farming, the npc west of lionhold (across river) is where you buy 1 seed for 60 copper coins

[crude scarab]

what do I do with a "bear" in my invetory that is ready to train?

[paper heron]

at the 'agricultural supply' theres a animal husbrandry station, you can train stuff such as wolves/horses/bears there

but theyre expensive :x

[torn tulip]

thx will try

[torn tulip]

you mean directly in lionhold? I will search him. Do you have a pic maybe of location?

[pliant crown]

actually the image posted above that agriculture supply spot is it

[paper heron]

helping 2 people at once

[torn tulip]

ok, I am near, i try, thx

[pliant crown]

forgot i could take pictures since servers are up

[pearl cedar]

gathering skills appear to be locked with the exception of wood cutting.
Flax is bugged in all areas and harvesting granite does not level wood cutting, not any of the tutorial harvests

[crude scarab]

where do you find zinc?

[torn tulip]

got it, thx

[pliant crown]

as far as i understand, zinc/copper/granite/basalt share respawns

ruby as well but i only ever really find ruby near water so im not sure for that one

[swift crest]

how do you level arcane engineering? made a pylon and got 0 xp.

[pearl cedar]

a lot of the leveling mechanics don't appear to work for exp

[paper heron]

anyone who can point me into the direction of around where flax spawns?

i dont think ive seen any yet so fr...

[queen cedar]

it's a tiny flower

well, a couple of flowers, you find them here and there, IDK if there's anywhere that has more of any resource than any other

[paper heron]

hmm fair, i assumed itd work the same as f.e hunting where specific spots would have (recurring) spawns of flax

guess ill just run around a bit more andf see if i happen to spot some

[queen cedar]

they basically look like this

hard to spot initially

[paper heron]

hmm thanks, i guess once ive spotted them once or twice itll become easier ahaha

need it to craft this shirt for professions, not sure how worth they are but could be nice

[queen cedar]

yeah, after the first couple I started spotting them a ways off, I don't think most people have caught on to what any of the gathering and hunting stuff looks like, or they just aren't interested, so they just pass it by without a second glance
I've used a couple, been grabbing them whenever I spot one

[paper heron]

feels like ive literally seen everything except for flax so far thouh ahaha

[crude scarab]

coming across like 5 horse or bear per zinc

[paper heron]

ah btw when is the levelup from novice?
Lv5?

[upper thicket]

which job crafts bows? carp?

[paper heron]

hm its not lv5, just hit it

[tame halo]

do we know if certain fish are more common in certain lakes?

[woeful kestrel]

Anyone not able to harvest? I've got a patch of Daffodil and Flax in front of me, yet after going through the harvesting motions, I end up with nothing in bag

[paper heron]

Could be that its bugged? Seen a lot of people mention that

[woeful kestrel]

Thx

Seems like it was a bugged node. Able to harvest elsewhere

[tame halo]

is it expected to only get a fish sometimes when fishing?

[fair field]

brand new all my artisan stuff is broken, any tips?

[tame halo]

wait that's really cool, when i moved i caught more fish for a bit. Kinda rewards for not being afk while fishing ig lol

[floral saffron]

whats the best way to level artisan skills?

[queen cedar]

anyone know where you can learn heavy helmet? Couldn't find it last week when I was buying recipes

[paper heron]

i reckon just spam it / maybe use their respective shirts?

man why is animal husbandry so expensive i just want to try and get a wolf mount

[atomic galleon]

i think its missing currently. havent seen it sold somewhere. its commonly dropped for me though

[woeful kestrel]

Why is there a coin cost to craft lumber from wood? Or for any crafting process?

How does one repair broken tools?

[sturdy abyss]

Can someone give me a basic rundown of how to hunt and skin?

[tight cedar]

Where do i go for aprentice hunting quest?

[woeful kestrel]

At the moment, if you head west from the starting hub, you'll run into some stationary animals (Horse, Grem, Wolf). On the SW edge of the island, you find some stations, tanning is one of them

[sturdy abyss]

I’ve found deer in the East. I assume I need to start with the ones in the west?

[woeful kestrel]

Yeah, you'll have to level the skill up to get to deer

[sturdy abyss]

Gotcha

Thanks you as well!

[woeful kestrel]

Anytime

[tight cedar]

I just got lvl 10 hunting i heard i was suppose to go somewhere but where

[woeful kestrel]

You're ahead of me, so I don't know yet 😦

[robust sandal]

Where can you get tools to mine

[woeful kestrel]

Base ones, from the starting quest

If you're asking about new, I'm not sure yet

To repair, bottom left of any of the vendor screens should have an icon

[wraith pond]

Do we have a hunting trainer guys?

[cunning geyser]

where do you go for animal husbandry?

[wraith pond]

Lionhold

Guys do we have a hunting trainer?

Know where to find him?

[fossil drum]

Please allow the player to select more than 1 quantity for each task. processing one job at a time it time consuming. such as, making 5 Weathered Oak Wood at once, rather than processing each individual order one at a time. I saw "Job Size" but it only allowed one.

[violet scroll]

any servers have a stoneworks up?

[woeful kestrel]

You can set up 5/10/15...at a time, however, you have to account for the additional fuel, space and cost, or it won't let you

[proven lichen]

Where do I repair tools

And sell stuff. I got all this but no use for it bc i cant seem to level carpentry

[woeful kestrel]

Anyone marked Vendor for both

To repair, bottom left of the Vendor screen

[proven lichen]

._. are there any in Samia's

[woeful kestrel]

Not sure where that is

[tight cedar]

Which artisan POI is hunting certificate at?

[woeful kestrel]

I realized what you meant after the fact. Yes, you can queue up multiple tasks at once, but each task is individually timed, netting you 1m for each item you craft. This is indeed a LONG time, especially for base stuff like smelting or refining.

[rare mesa]

should be agricultural supply west of textile station west of lionhold

[woeful kestrel]

Haven't figured that out yet, but I believe it might be in Lionhold with the Animal Husbandry (might be wrong though, haven't checked yet)

[loud orbit]

Hi, I seem to be stuck on the eroded granite blocks, i've tried building them at both stations, but it won't allow me to turn in the 11 I have. Anyone else have a similar issue?

[pearl orbit]

How do you get the next tier of artisan?

[woeful kestrel]

Another nuance I just figured out - you can queue multiple crafts and walk away from the bench/table and it'll still process the crafts for you while you do other things

[woven stone]

PSA:

FOR THE FISHING CERTIFICATE - THERES A FREAKING SCROLL WHEEL ON THE NPC CONVERSATION

[violet siren]

Half the processing XP makes me just not want to do anything with Artisan.

Its stupid fucking tedious for absolutely no reason

[vague coyote]

The main hangup is that we can only play on the weekends

My weekends are tight as it is, there's no shot I could spend the whole time on artisan stuff

For basically no benefit

[woeful kestrel]

This is alpha still, so a lot of the crafting setups/xp/process is still being worked on

[violet siren]

I just don't understand why they would increase gathering XP

and then hamstring processing

[vague coyote]

Yeah no offense but you could say that in response to literally any discussion about the game lol

[violet siren]

processing was already exceptionally slow with 1/min for every resource

[vague coyote]

The time sink is wild for sure

[violet siren]

its not level 30-50

its basic lowbie shit

[vague coyote]

And it's what you're limited most on in the current tests

[violet siren]

it should be quick.

[vague coyote]

I guess you could argue they're trying to test the long term spirit of the system

But it's just so hard to be motivated towards it

[violet siren]

It honestly feels like runescapes system is quicker.

Hell, even Ultima Online for any old people here

And that shit was a grind.

[woeful kestrel]

Not sure I can agree. The lvling timeframe Steven has set is approx 45 days to max a character. This isn't a rush to end game, so I'm hardly surprised at the time sink for crafting. I expect it to get tweaked eventually, but right now it's just getting the basics down

[violet siren]

most of that time should be at higher levels

not lower.

[woeful kestrel]

And I imagine that will be the case, so keep that in mind based on your current time sink

[vague coyote]

In terms of making useful things for your character it absolutely is quicker

[rich hinge]

anyone know why I cant craft this? I have the resources??
https://i.imgur.com/vIiqCtz.png

[woeful kestrel]

Fuel and coin cost also? Or just basic mats?

[rich hinge]

Cost is 0 and its not asking for fuel... so im assuming i have everything

oh i lied its wilted snowdrop that i need and I only have "snowdrop"

[mint jasper]

omg UO was my jam back in the day!

Any suggestions on where to go to find the most initial mining stuff to get mining up to level 10? From my understanding we can't upgrade mining until we get it to 10, is that correct?

[violet siren]

do the mount quest first for tools

then just go around and mine all the basalt and granite you see

[woeful kestrel]

I can tell you the west side of Lionhold, by the crafting huts, doesn't have much ore. You'll find some, but you'll wear out your boots before you gain a level

[mint jasper]

I did that, just cant find any basalt or granite anywhere haha

[woeful basin]

can we make apprenticle sickles yet?

[stark smelt]

where do i process corpses?

[woeful kestrel]

Corpses? As in hunting? Tanners for pelts

If you're looking for food processing, not sure yet

[stark smelt]

Thanks,....tanners is what I was looking for

[violet scroll]

anyone know where the metalworking trainer is? he isnt at the smithy

[woeful kestrel]

Anyone know of a decent Flax gathering area?

[winged olive]

Anyone, what is the first herb you can gather at novis? I can't find it

[rich hinge]

i read that copper is found near a beach?? have you founf that to be true?

when can you get promoted to the next elvel of artisan?

[stark smelt]

Mining eroded granite doesn't seem to be leveling mining. Is there something else I should be mining to level it?

I see now....its all from the quest mining pit, even though it was down by the beach

[mint jasper]

Granite and basalt will level you

keep in mind granite and eroded granite are not the same

[pliant crown]

i just want to say i have been finding more ruby than ever today

[grave roost]

How do you do this task?

[queen cedar]

you can't, it's been bugged since last week

[woeful kestrel]

Anyone run into a bow recipe? If so, where?

[magic mauve]

I know it won't help without the location, but I have 4. Sanctus longbow, Bronze longbow, Bronze short spellbow, and steel longbow.

I was handed the recipes so no clue where from

[woeful kestrel]

Cheers. At least I know they exist and can search 🙂

[fickle osprey]

question: if you get upgraded tools for a skill, but then demote yourself ... do you still get to use the upgraded tools?

[woeful kestrel]

Unknown

[fickle osprey]

and bags as well I guess

[woeful kestrel]

Don't believe bags are tied into the skill itself

[fickle osprey]

I think you have to have the higher skill in order to purchase the bags

at least this vendor says I have to have apprentice hunting to buy the aprentise hunting bag

[woeful kestrel]

That seems overly restrictive to me, given the bag is a just an inventory carrier

[fickle osprey]

yeah, I'm just curious as to what happens if you demote yourself while equipping that upgraded bag. Do you keep it, or does it go away ... and what happens to inventory in it? Hopefully the devs know...

[queen cedar]

has anyone seen any effect if material quality on anything other than its sale price?

[left parrot]

if you use it to craft things they’re better

[queen cedar]

huh, I haven't seen that at all

[fickle osprey]

I made a couple green and one blue piece of gear with upgraded components

the blue tier1 chest piece was better than the T2 vendor one

[queen cedar]

nice, guess I've just been unlucky with it

[fickle osprey]

it is random. I used two greens for my fishing pole and it still made a grey 😦

but a couple of my other tools I got greens out of. I had sold most of my good mats though ... will remember not to do that in the future

[woeful kestrel]

Anyone know where I might find Grem skin and flax?

Or a place to farm it mainly

[pliant crown]

grem skin i found is best in lionshold since you quickly kill packs of grem so when they respawn you have better chance to hunt them

flax will sometimes be with the white and yellow flowers pretty uncommon more so of people gathering them constantly too

[pliant crown]

humanoid npcs

so like goblins and minos

i have gotten some jewler, arcane engineering, leatherworking, recipees while farming goblins

i think i got a bow recipee too

so i think some sre generic item crafts from any npc and some are probably monster specific gear

i want to say a skeleton gave.me a recipee tosay but dont remember

i shall pass out like i intended ow

[woeful kestrel]

THx

[pliant crown]

can also farm flax with the poop animals drop and flax seeds

[vapid ember]

Does the rarity of the ingredients influence the rarity of the outcome when crafting?

[pliant crown]

yes, it seems to be weighted system

it should preview outcome if you put ingredients in before committing to craft i believe, will see if i can get in game picture tomorrow

by preview i mean the rarity of the outcome so you want most of the itmes to be the tier you want with maybe 1 thing only 1 tier down

[bleak scroll]

i still don't get how to get grem skin

[woeful kestrel]

If you look at my where I am there (just west of Lionhold), you'll find a bunch of lvl 1 Timid Grems. Kill them repeatedly, and every so often you'll get a harvestable one

[bleak scroll]

ok ill try that

[woeful kestrel]

Will look like this

[bleak scroll]

so far only wolfes here

[woeful kestrel]

Yeah, it's a random spawn, but keep killing and they show up. I've gotten 10 or so in the last 20 min

[steady tangle]

so like... zinc and copper are just giga rare right? or am i just not in the right place

[bleak scroll]

the wolfes seem to respawn there 100% tho

[vapid ember]

What are the artisan caps for gathering for A2?

[woeful kestrel]

That they do, always in the same spots

[bleak scroll]

BEHOLD HEROIC DROPPINGS

are there legendary droppings?

[tiny jacinth]

Where dost thou make ruby powder? is it the alchemist or jeweler bench?

[woeful kestrel]

For the powder, I believe it's alchemy

[lean basalt]

Quick question, how can I level my wood processing? I dont get xp from the Weathered Oak but cant process the other Wood yet

[thorn coyote]

you need other wood to process

you can do oak ash western laech and eastern hemlok at novice level

[lean basalt]

I have other wood, but dont have an option to process it

[thorn coyote]

are you still in lionhold?

[lean basalt]

yes

[thorn coyote]

i think that might be the problem

[woeful kestrel]

Weathered oak is at the starter area. That's just used as an intro. If you exit Lionhold, you'll find other wood

[lean basalt]

So I have to go to another Node?

[thorn coyote]

there is a little crafting village pretty much strait west of lionhold

[woeful kestrel]

You'll find some wood processing stations to both east or west of Lionhold where you'll be able to process it

[lean basalt]

thanks, i'll check that out

[thorn coyote]

there is a starter quest there, you have to deliver something if i remember that corectly

[woeful kestrel]

No. No more than 2 minutes out of Lionhold

[sterile grail]

You need to get out into the areas away from cities, it is there, lot of walking needed but is around.

[woeful kestrel]

Textile mill just outside Lionhold. You'll see the processing bench just ahead of it

[opal trail]

where can i unlock the herbalism and hunting Cewrtificates?

[woeful kestrel]

At their respective crafting stations. There's some to the east or west of Lionhold.

[gilded stream]

I was there last night but couldn't find anywhere to learn it. Do I go through som NPC dialogues to learn it?

[woeful kestrel]

Are you trying to learn the very basics, or level it up?

[fleet peak]

I found it thanks. I was looking for fishing and you have to scroll down to find it

[opal trail]

learn the basic to be able to start using it

[fleet peak]

lvl up at 10

[woeful kestrel]

🙂

[fleet peak]

oh oops, wrong thread, but I asked the same question.

[opal trail]

so i am at the hideworks. do i learn hunting their from an NPC or crafting station

[woeful kestrel]

To increase your skill from Novice to apprentice, talk to the Lead Hideworker

Oops, sorry...

Hunting is just over the river I think....one sec...let me check

[gilded stream]

I was trying to learn the basics. I did the intro quest to pickup one snow flower from inside the first village thing, but since then I have not been able to pick any flowers

[woeful kestrel]

Ok, my fault. Hunting is over here....

[woeful kestrel]

Not finding any? Or not able to pick them up?

[opal trail]

thanks on the way from the west

[gilded stream]

unble to pick themup

[woeful kestrel]

Some nodes are bugged, so that may be a reason. Possibly a 'broken' tool (which can be repaired at the vendor)

But if you completed the 'crafting' quest and got your horse, you should have all the basic tools to harvest snowdrop and daffodils

[hybrid swan]

Would love to separate normal quest with gathering quest and the ability turn off all normal or gathering quest so you can see gathering quest on quick quest right of screen

[woeful basin]

I cant find where to get my hunting apprentice certificate

[woeful kestrel]

If you look at the pic above, the map marker location (east of Lionshold) should be where you can find the rep

[woeful basin]

im at location, its a novice tool bench for hunting, but no npc

[sterile grail]

Is enchanting weapons and Armor in game? And, if so, how is it done. Cannot find the path to do it at all.

[woeful kestrel]

Hmmm, give me a sec to check

[woeful basin]

thx heaps

[woeful kestrel]

Not sure if Enchanting is in, but Arcane Engineering is at the Lab, east of Lionshold

[full vapor]

New to Ashes of Creation alpha - where am I supposed to level my crafting professions? I'm not getting any crafting XP from the stations inside Lionhold :/

[woeful kestrel]

Sry, but not able to find the hunter at all. I would hazard a guess that the NPC is missing from the hunting lodge area listed. Only other thought would be maybe go to one of the towns and see if their hunting lodge can do it

[hybrid swan]

Naori are you using these workstations?

[woeful kestrel]

Lionshold stations are only for the beggining quest. After that, you have to go to the outside ones. @hybrid swan just posted one location. Off to the east you can find other locations

[hybrid swan]

dont sell the poo you pick up

[bleak scroll]

what is the closes spot from the newbie village to train a mount?

[woeful kestrel]

The small square off to the left there (just below the diamond) has a hut on the right side that allows you to train mounts. Keep in mind it costs over 60 silver to do so

[hybrid swan]

Odd larch timber uses 1 spot but oak 3 slots

[full vapor]

Thank you! I have found them all now. Gotta say, not a fan of how spread out the crafting stations are

[wide portal]

how can i get copper scraps?

[hybrid swan]

metal working station i think

[wide portal]

ah i see thanks

was wondering if it's me or the station

cuz novice stations only seem to have granite and basalt

[austere torrent]

hey guys, what do you think, is the best way to make gold atm?

[paper heron]

ive been chopping wood & selling it to vendors, if anyone has a better suggestion id be open to that too

10 trees = 1 silver

[austere torrent]

did that to, but i feel i would take over an hour to make some silver, not even talking aboud gold...

[paper heron]

hm i feel like its fairly ok if u find a good spot with a lot of trees, they generally drop 2 logs, and 20 logs = 1 silver

plus i feel like its the fastest gathering to level due to the abundance of resources, and once it hits lv10 and u can do the next tier itd probably be even faster

i migthbe wrong though im going into the game without having watched any content or general guides/whatever, i only know it levels at lv10 due to asking questions abt it before ahaha

[stark thunder]

when you get level 10 what do you do upgrade cert and better axe or what?

or can chop bigger trees?

[bleak scroll]

is it possible to turn materials?

[paper heron]

ive spotted quite a lot of trees i cant do yet, id assume these sell for more too resource wise

[bleak scroll]

they do

[paper heron]

id assume u can also make better gear / axes, like f.e the shirts which give bonusss

[paper heron]

whatd o u mean by turning? processing?

[bleak scroll]

i've done some price checking

[paper heron]

to be honest i havent rlly figured that out yet, but the processing doesnt make a profit i believe, its purely useful for leveling it if u want to make gears or something i think

[bleak scroll]

all resources of the same type cost the same

somehow i also got a bear wich is aprentice hunting material

and it costs 50 copper

[paper heron]

how much does tier 2 resource cost?

[bleak scroll]

while all novice materials cost 5 copper

[paper heron]

ah yea but carcasses have different prices

[bleak scroll]

processes novice materials cost 8 copper btw

[paper heron]

oh wait no

[bleak scroll]

no the wolf carcas is 5 copper

[paper heron]

yea i cant count i thought logs were 10 e/a, but the stacks (1 silver) are 20 ahaha

[bleak scroll]

they do however process a lot better since you get 5 skins of 1 carcas and each skin is 8 copper

[paper heron]

processing a log into timber costs 8 copper too, but then it sells for 8 coper too so you'd make a loss right?

[bleak scroll]

hmm i didn't think about it

[paper heron]

you'd be at a net profit of 0, which isnt bad for levleing it, but seeing as u coudve sold it for 5 gold with no costs technically it'd be -5

[brave scaffold]

you hit apprentice in a crafting after 10 lvls correct?

[bleak scroll]

ye that's true you lose 5 copper so no point processing

[paper heron]

although admittedly, i only played a bit yday when i was alrdy tired so i might have the prices wrong

[paper heron]

thats what i got told ye

[bleak scroll]

well the point would be to level up the skill make some gear and sell it to players then you make way more

[paper heron]

yee its good that its a net profit (excl fuel)

but if u want to make money now its not the way to go i reckon

dont think ive seen a lot of people buy stuff yet

[bleak scroll]

well now that i think about it it is worth processing if you are using timber

so 10x stacks

[paper heron]

and tbh i have got a couple things i could make mounts with so i really want to do that, but its like 70 silver each

[bleak scroll]

then you are in the net gain

[paper heron]

ooh really?

[bleak scroll]

bcs it's 1 timber for 10 process

[paper heron]

id assume costs and whatnot would just go linearly

[bleak scroll]

if you are processign 1 piece at a time you fuel with folwers which are 5 copper each

but if you do 10x you use 1 oak timber wich is also 5 copper

[paper heron]

ah but a piece of timber only seels for 8 copper doesnt it

same as crafting price, excluding fuel in the first place

[bleak scroll]

so you get 7,5 copper per plant

[paper heron]

which means you either gain 0 copper (processed) or gain 5 by just selling the raw logs

[bleak scroll]

plank*

[paper heron]

hm wait let me go to limber station

[bleak scroll]

oak timber has 10 fuel power

wich means you process 10 piece of whatever for the price of 1 oak log

[paper heron]

10 pieces is still even

[bleak scroll]

not oak timber oak wood my bad

[paper heron]

it costs 75 copper to start, 1 oak log for 5 copper toals 80

whereas 1 timber = 8 copper if u sell it

[bleak scroll]

no it costs 5 copper to star

since oak wood fuel power is 10

[paper heron]

t the bottom, it's 75 coper to start the job

[bleak scroll]

oh shit

[paper heron]

and then you add in 1 log for 10 fuel, which would be another 5

[bleak scroll]

i didn't even see that

[paper heron]

its always net even im pretty sure, which is actually a loss due to beiung able to just sell the logs

it hikn it always is anyway

[bleak scroll]

well we're gonna need to get exp somehow

[paper heron]

yee atleast it doesnt actually cost money ahaha

or well techniczlly it would due to repair cosats

but still

[bleak scroll]

it costs you time to gather mats that you would've otherwise sell

but it huge gains down the line

when you can make better gear and whatnot

at least in theory

[paper heron]

ya

speaking off, how does getting better tools work

dou craft those, if so with what artisan?

or do u just need to buy them from vendor

[bleak scroll]

im assuming one or more of the following - speed, more mats pre node, better quality

i think it's crafting only

as far as i've seen

but i didn't check the whole map so

also apparantly ppl can develop city nodes and get more stuff buit

so maybe there will be better vendors in the future

[paper heron]

ooh this should be good

wonder if u can make better quality tools

might save that for trying to make yellow tools

[bleak scroll]

ye i though about that too

[paper heron]

or id assume bows are made with wood, can always try to sell it to a ranger or something

[bleak scroll]

may be you need all the mats of the same quality to make better tool

[paper heron]

i need to look into the crafters tbh, see what makes what

ive been leveling lumberjack for money but i dont know what i could craft with this

[bleak scroll]

bow are wool linen and something alse i don't remember

[wide portal]

i assume higher level stations let you craft higher tier tools

[bleak scroll]

btw processign carcases is always good

[paper heron]

oph wait

i just realized i dont even have novice tools

[wide portal]

finding copper is pure pain though, im at it myself rn

[bleak scroll]

ye same

copper and zinc are rare af

[paper heron]

i went to check and noticed ive been using the crude oens from the tutorial, i didnt know those were a lower rarity

[bleak scroll]

i've seen like 2 of them so far

[paper heron]

im gonna go and do that asap first thing i guess

[bleak scroll]

but iron is everywhere

[hybrid swan]

Yes each station need higher processing lvl so you need to make lots of stuff and sell to level crafting ability

[paper heron]

do the statiosn level with your own level, or does it have to do stuff with the nodes?

like if i leveled up from novice ot the next one, can i suddenly use the same stations for my next tier, or would it actually have to level 1 way or another

[bleak scroll]

i assume it's a node thing

since rn nodes also have novice stations

[hybrid swan]

by that time you will be in other cities that have higher level stations

[paper heron]

ah its styill not letting me gather flax sadge

man im still level 4 just chilling with the artisan stuff, i got bullied by this lv7 raven before, i wont get to another city anytime soon ir eckon ahaha

[hybrid swan]

flax is hard to find I deleted my lumberjack shift so set myself target to make another, dam flax

most green items so wanted green lumberjack shirt came out normal 😦

[bleak scroll]

wait why can't you gather flax?

[hybrid swan]

cant find them

[paper heron]

it goess through the process but doesnt actually give the flax

[bleak scroll]

im lvl 3 and i can do it

[paper heron]

oh huh what

[bleak scroll]

lvl 3 herbalism lvl 7 char tho

[paper heron]

im lv1 herbalism

[bleak scroll]

oh

[paper heron]

ive found like 3 flax nodes it actually lets me gather

most seem to be bugged

[bleak scroll]

ye it had let me gather a bear

which is aprentice lvl

imma try making him a mount

[hybrid swan]

75 silver

[paper heron]

ive got like 15 wolves

i really want to get a wolf but its so exp

and knowing my luck ill get the caravan version anyway ahaha

[hybrid swan]

you may get a mount for caravan so not certain get a mount

[paper heron]

yep

[bleak scroll]

ye fingers crossed

once i have the silver

[hybrid swan]

good luck

[bleak scroll]

btw how do i bug report?

[paper heron]

./bug in chat i believe

[hybrid swan]

/bug

[bleak scroll]

there is this bug when you can't move mats into the storage

thx

[paper heron]

ah yte relogging works apparently

[hybrid swan]

log off and on

[paper heron]

or well thats what ive seen people mention

[bleak scroll]

ye that's what i do but there will be queues soon so ye

[paper heron]

will there be?

i havent seen any yet so far

im v impressed with how it went til now tbh

[bleak scroll]

i've been in 20 ppl queue yesterday

[paper heron]

ooh

maybe my realm less populated or smth idk

[bleak scroll]

it did go pretty fast tho but it also wasn't prime time

well i do play on pirates server so that's that

[hybrid swan]

saw a giant toad was hoping I could train it for mount, nope grr

[paper heron]

id love a toad mount

ahaha

also when i looked at how the animal husbrandy works i believe i saw something reagrding battle pets/summons?

couldbe cool to have a toad summon too ahaha

[bleak scroll]

four times the size of syrim

[paper heron]

syrim?

[bleak scroll]

don't worry about it

i just realised that wood is prob the worst mat to farm for vendor money

[paper heron]

oh is it?

[lean basalt]

Where are some spots to get carcasses from ravens or grem? I literally can only find wolfes

[stark thunder]

I have a lumberjack shirt do I need to swap to my artisan outfit somehow... I have it equipped

[bleak scroll]

top left for grems

[stark thunder]

When I hit level 10 lumberjack I need to upgrade my cert, anything else for me to do besides harvest the better trees?

[tall kindle]

anyone have a good spawn for cats?

[jade gale]

anyone know where Zinc spawns I cant find any?

[bleak scroll]

nope it's the hardes thing to find rn

[hybrid swan]

not bothered upgrading shirt think my crafted shirt gave exp bonus and sure the last shirt bought from vendor was speed. what are pople lumberjack top bonus?

zinc and copper try to look where people are not walking past ie middle of no where

[tall kindle]

yeah you just gotta explore for those, if you stick to busy areas you won't find any

[hidden slate]

is there a way to select what you get out of processing? I seem to only be getting the first of the possible outcomes?

[hybrid swan]

supposed to be random but there seams to be only one outcome, alpha testing i presume

there are some many items cant be used in a recipe as they arent in game atm

[swift crest]

in vyra, the mining vendor is selling the same things as the jeweler vendor. they are both selling apprentice jewelers shirt but neither sells apprentice miner's shirt

[hybrid swan]

Where can you get Essence of Crystal to make Magic Powder?

[winged olive]

Hey does anyone know what you can harvest as a novice herbalism? I can't find anything to pick except for wilted snowdrops, and those don't give any exp?

[hybrid swan]

you need to get out of Lionhelm that only for quest items

daffoidils and snowdrops are starting stuff

you can pick up quest for 20 snowdrops and that give huge bonus exp also

[winged olive]

Okay thank you, every time I go further and further out I only find plants that I can't pick lol

[hybrid swan]

I still do also it not balanced starting area but you will get the hang of it

minig worse as copper and zinc are very rare

flax I forget what they look like, if you have spare wood in bag to make money process the mats just for exp and they sell for more stuff

flax

[bleak scroll]

finaly found my 3rd zinc node

[hybrid swan]

4th zinc

[glass magnet]

Anyone know how to get Apprientice Pickaxe

[hybrid swan]

unfortunately you have to craft it and find the copper

[formal oyster]

Is there a special way to make copper? I've spent hours searching for a copper node since my sickle broke

[glass magnet]

I have all the things needed i would think but i dont have recipe is there something i need for the apprientice stuff

[pliant crown]

the specific node has to have that specific work station upgraded to apprentice

[hybrid swan]

been the same crude axe etc

[pliant crown]

and the work orders that node puts out for it usually will be like needs copper or zinc in a few thousand i assume

you can make novice tools at any node since they have novice wkrkbenches

[pliant crown]

basically copper/ zinc has a fairly low chance to spawn where basalt or granite are

[pearl orbit]

How do you upgrade to apprentice?

[pliant crown]

so if say you find a ball of 5 granite you mine those and in an hour or whatever the respawn timer is it may have copper

[pliant crown]

there is one specific npc you talk to and just ask and it happe s

depends on profession

[lean basalt]

I'm unable to use fuel for the tailoring of a bag, how is this supposed to work?

[formal oyster]

Is there anywwhere to just buy tools? I don't have a long enough life span to keep searching for copper

[pliant crown]

usually fuel is like wood or plants

[lean basalt]

Yea, but there is no fuel-option

[pliant crown]

no unfortunately, the novice tools work just have fairly low durability and would need to repair semi regularly

oh if it is for a crafting profession

there is no fuel its just craft

[lean basalt]

"Unable to craft - insufficient fuel"

[pliant crown]

takes like 2s to make

[lean basalt]

lol

[pliant crown]

can you screen shot the craft

[pliant crown]

my first thought is try to relog

[lean basalt]

That was my next to go move if nothing worked yea, just thought I'd ask first

[hybrid swan]

on craft anything do you put the shirt on when starting or picking it up! or both to get bonus

[pliant crown]

for like say its a processing profession you put it on before you start the craft

which would make sense it'd work that way for crafting

like i did a process of alchemy stuff then put shirt on, no change

put shirt on did process, then picked up got bonus

[hybrid swan]

unfortunaltly I made the lumbwen miller shirt not the lumberjack shirt, something to do before pizza

want to try all green items so see what the difference but guessing not a lot

[pliant crown]

yea its like slightly higher on the main stat, and you get passive bonus which can be pretty nice

this as gray i believe is just 10 crit chance, and this is it as green

at least mob drop as green

[hybrid swan]

was thinking for shirts for gathering?

[pliant crown]

same concept whatever the grey version gives, gets better, and they get a passive

or stronger passive

but i think it changes sometimes im unsure since its not easy to test

[hybrid swan]

time consuming test

[pliant crown]

gonna spam some recipees i found , got one more set of 5 to post

[lean basalt]

Sadly it's the same after a relog @pliant crown I guess it's bugged for me 😦

[pliant crown]

hmm i never tried to make my own bags cause at the time i couldnt find the uhhh flax

[pliant crown]

it might be a /bug to do, the only other thought i had was try a different novice workstation in a different place in the world but thats a long walk

since im assuming it might be same issue with recipee

[lean basalt]

hmm

i tried another bag recipee and it says the same

[hybrid swan]

flax is a pain to see as so small, Grem skin without shirt gave 50 with shirt on pickup gave 53 shirt normal version

[pliant crown]

oh interesting here is green alchemist shirt

[hybrid swan]

nice

[pliant crown]

so mana and exp just go up for upgrading it

[hybrid swan]

dam picked 50 snowdrop fibre and forgot to put shirt on!

[storm zenith]

how do i level up lumber milling, im crafting weathed oak but its not giving xp

[hybrid swan]

need to move out of lionhelm

next to mission called sweat brow is crafting quest taker, pick up all you can

[storm zenith]

south of lionhold or what

[hybrid swan]

this is where the crafting stations you want to find

[storm zenith]

ok thanks

[kind sierra]

Why don't they let u craft 6 or 7 pieces of something instead of wasting time with limited options, game lacks content, but no need to waste time to this degree.