alpha-two-archetype-chat

[queen monolith]

I wanna preaface this by saying, I dont want to be a top dps class when playing bard, but not dealing very good damage seems bothersome to me.

I just hit 24 on my bard, and have radiant weapons, and i feel like I can never get into groups on Resna because of the abundance of bards, and the lack of damage dealt. I am often only taken for the mana. I don't mind not being the most op dps class ever (as bard previously had a rep for) but it kinda irks me as somoene that was gonna build for damage on bard, to know it won't be fruitful. I feel kind of lost as to what to build or do now, and am considering rerolling after 25.

Is it just a gear issue? Could anybody that has previously played bard help out?

[toxic sapphire]

Fully understandable. But the idea people should just wiki the information they need doesn’t make much sense right now because of it. I’m not sure if you intended it that way or not but your suggestion to do so came across as aggressive in a “Just Google it” sense to me. Which is why I feel the need to point out the wiki isn’t that useful of a tool for the moment.

[neat hatch]

For what you're looking for is tougher when you don't have a set party.a lot of the time when I'm with my group I'm the solo Bard and will mix between menacing and pensive. I have good enough gear to do damage and my party knows to run mana refreshing abilities on gear to help make menacing last longer. This kind of setup isn't used much in pugs.

Solo killing mobs, I rarely come out of menacing and it works very well for bards

[queen monolith]

yea, for resna Caster gear is strugglign to be found right now and aside from there being a bunch of bards on there, most people wont take a bard dps, and will only take bard for mana battery, so i get very small windows to get into groups

I do like playing the Menacing melody style bard with mag shortbow, but the contribution deosnt feel meaningful, could just be a gear issue for me

[neat hatch]

If you're finding your groups mana always full, you can run counterpoint and do damage yourself too. Don't advertise as a set kind of Bard. I hot swap abilities on the fly even in PVP

Gear will be a big factor as well. If you're lower level or power compared to your party it'll be harder to keep their mana up

Bard is probably the most interactive in pve. You gotta basically always be doing abilities.

Then burn all resonance and go again

[warped bramble]

wheres hte best place to start farming adept gear for mage/bard at level 10?

[subtle badger]

Hey guys quick question. Is the Secondary Archetype system currently active in Alpha two or are we still waiting?

[charred warren]

waiting

[unkempt ember]

How's the rogue like? Is it like dark souls with dodging and counterattacking?

[unkempt ember]

And how's summoner in pvp?

[dark robin]

Not yet, schedueled as their next "major milestone", so expect in the PTR March/April

and they'll start X/Cleric and X/Tank first

[golden heath]

does summoner pet auto attacks scale with things like mag power, mag speed, mag crit power, etc ?

[storm fiber]

does someone have issues on ranger with upgraded scatter shot? when its used in walls sometimes you pull mobs behind this wall

[fallow warren]

https://tenor.com/view/kermit-the-frog-typing-busy-typewriter-writing-gif-16527898

[subtle badger]

thank you!

[subtle badger]

gotcha thanks for the info!

[devout nexus]

is petalshard jewelery set good for mage or are there better options

[hybrid snow]

It has HP and Power so its for every class

[devout nexus]

ah i see thanks

[velvet veldt]

Quick question, are there any classes that can make rapier better? I prefer the aesthetics of it. And i'm only planning on solo play for this character, any suggestions? (PvE focused)

[neat hatch]

anything that really benefits from more speed would be my suggestion. rogue poison applications, bard resonant procs, summer abilities

[fickle parrot]

Im getting near lvl 20 on my rogue now. What radiant weapon wuold be the best to buy for rogue?

[exotic raptor]

The type that you love using buddy

[fickle parrot]

well i used to use daggers, but then i saw someone use 2H axe and 2H sword.. this gets me confused

[exotic raptor]

daggers is solid

there are people that think more power = better. thats not always the case. plus daggers have the same power as a two handed sword in most cases. It's more about the style you play and what feels good to you in my opinion. Trying to play someone elses style just makes you ineffective and leaves you wondering what your doing wrong

I personally use a one handed sword. Also love the spear though

[fickle parrot]

what class are you

[exotic raptor]

rogue

[fickle parrot]

that seems odd.. a 1h sword? w hat do you have in the other hand? 😮

[exotic raptor]

phyical focus most of the time. I do tend to carry a shield if I need it though.

[exotic raptor]

Lots of my build would seem odd to folks. yet i'm lvl 20 killing 20 + with tier 1 white gear

was killing 20+ when I was lvl 18

plus it looks cool, which is the most important part. Only thing more important then killing folks is looking good while killing folks.

[fickle parrot]

i agree

[exotic raptor]

I'd look over the weapon trees. Daggers, spears and rapiers have very similar skill trees

two hand sword and one hand sword are the same

Axes are built different for sure

[fickle parrot]

so why pick 1h sword, what made you choose that

besides the looks 😛

[exotic raptor]

Well I was between one handed sword, spear and rapier. I used daggers in a prevoius phase (they are solid). The spear's extended finisher animation delays the use of my abilities. I love the spear but that was a big issue, slowed me from getting off combos. The rapier, while I love the skill tree and the fact its a crit weapon, I hate the weapon attack animations just couldn't get past that. Plus most of the end game rapiers have odd stats so only two of them were viable for what I wanted to do. Which brought me to the sword, lots of options that will work with the build that I am making, plus the end of the weapon tree of swords is really good overall.

[fickle parrot]

very nice feedback.. what lvl are you now 😛

[exotic raptor]

20

I've been going very slow this phase

I've maxed rogue in the last two phases before this one

[meager shuttle]

Greataxe, the rest is just worse, unless you want to larp like other people

But cost efficiency is also important

[fickle parrot]

so what makes you think Greataxe is the best?

[meager shuttle]

not what i just think, meeleweapons are irrelevant in form of pvp beside their statspread which is the best on greataxe and hammer (i think they are idenctical even not sure tbh) daggers have less power but more speed which is just inferior

for pve however greataxe has the best finisher buffs

[exotic raptor]

hehehe your talking to the guy I blocked. "2 blocked messages" 🙂

[torn mist]

This is not special or very difficult at all.

[fickle parrot]

Is a Flameheart Great Mace sufficient for now? Its alot cheaper on my realm.

[meager shuttle]

really depends if its worth for you or not but ye

[fickle parrot]

i dont.. i just hit lvl 20, and i want a radiant weapon. i just hate the looks of a great axe 😛

so if there's not THAT much difference, id prefer something else

[meager shuttle]

check the stats and compare, you got this

[exotic raptor]

If you dont like the look of it dont use it. I feel that

[devout nexus]

where should i be farming for radiant gear as a 20 mage

is rosethorn still bis?

[unkempt ember]

How does summoner do in pvp? Like 1v1 or 2v2

[vernal cape]

hey i got a question about rogues will i cripple my self if i go rapier on rogue or is GS just the meta

[twilit patio]

Heavy or Medium armor for rogue? I'm just starting off

[quick path]

people are RP for rogue with GS but to be fair one of the best end game atm is GS

[hallow sequoia]

anyone know what items are BIS for summoner?

adept

[balmy pike]

Dunno about BIS but I've been using the arcane aegis set

[forest shadow]

longbow or shortbow for cleric?

[silk dirge]

Any good spots where caster loot drops in radiant somewhat good? Farmed an place last night with guild and got around 17-20 radiant for melee, 2 for casters 🤪

[hazy wagon]

honestly more weapons would be in line if nightreaver GA was nerfed lol

i bought rare glorybound twin daggers but kinda wish i went nightreaver GA

stormcurrent insane too but tier 3 doubt there's many

[tropic zephyr]

So will any summoner archetypes get some sexy succubus type summons ? Asking for a friend

[ionic viper]

Summoner rogue sexy deception pet

[dense dune]

is the chain lightning skill "Aftershock" bugged?
shouldnt chain lightning hit 3 times on a target which is frozen CL + Shatter + Aftershock?

[astral canopy]

can tanks Tank with a 2hander or are you just trolling?

[placid eagle]

https://www.facebook.com/share/r/1AUBhd6Qzr/

Just waiting for Paladin/Apostle...

[drowsy sierra]

Best stat stick for a secondary weapon for ranger?

is there any good gs/axe etc with power? crit

[polar mason]

And haunten gear took this personally

[dapper citrus]

absolutely can although id say 2h has higher skill ceiling later on as shield give passive block chance.

[glass onyx]

clerics will hate you

passive blockchance is great +++ new Stamina Skilltree gives Blocking an added +healing received bonus.
Any tank with gs is either overlevelled/geared or with premades and highly experienced.

For pugging? no go

[mellow granite]

Top 5 classes for PvP in 1v1 / 1vX?

[lilac zenith]

I dunno I keep flopping between my fighter and my summoner

both are 20

[unkempt ember]

How does summoner do in pvp? Like 1v1 or 2v2

[hazy wagon]

Ranger rogue fighter prob

Maybe mage if you're good but its pretty squishy for 1vx

And doesn't have many outs

[hazy wagon]

Probably a meme in 1v1

[odd granite]

already told you, it's very stinky.

[little yacht]

ranger is without a doubt the worst 1v1 class

[hazy wagon]

that has to be cap

[little yacht]

trust

tied for bottom with mage maybe but mage can at least ignore plate armour

[hazy wagon]

idk i see rangers melting everyone

[little yacht]

no sustain or real hard cc, limited mobility

they get walked by any class with self sustain

as long as there isn't a gear gap

[hazy wagon]

hm

i can see them being memes against cleric and bard

[mint slate]

rangers are glass canons so if pressured back it can be bad, eg. at range a ranger kills a fighter but if fighter gets ontop ranger then ranger dies its kinda scissors paper rock and ranger just doesnt have enough mobility skills to perma kite against others

im kinda surprised i have seen bard mentioned in this convo, a well played and setup bard can be pretty decent in a 1v1

[little yacht]

bard is definitely strongest 1v1 class

consecutive nerfs have done nothing to fix that

[hazy wagon]

true if you let it buff it's gg

[mint slate]

clerics can make killing them annoying with their heals but bard has much better dps to fight back and can do it well if dps spec, fighters has better upfront burst but bard has the heals and sustain that makes it closer battle but yeah against a ranger if you can survive the initial burst and get ontop them then its all over for the ranger

[celest brook]

Shields are for elves and pussies

[astral canopy]

Based

[odd granite]

nah, Summoner exists. I think Ranger, as long as they got the range (heh) can do fine.

they got issues, obviously, but they got the benefits of pure DPS.

gotta remember, Summoner has:
-A stasis spell that can also cleanse them
-a Teleportation spell that swaps with their summon that doesn't work 90% of the time
-a 2 second wind up root spell.
That is literally it for their spells that help with mobility. Everything else either requires the summoner to sit there and channel, or do a ridiculous windup or waiting on a timer for actual damage to apply.

[little yacht]

summoner unironically dogs the ranger due to having a healing pet

and massive phys res

don't need mobility when you can just auto the ranger to death

[dark ledge]

Guys help me "get " mage. I am maining bard. But now I am trying mage. And I can not get it to be not sucky compared to bard. What is rotation that works ?

[exotic raptor]

mages are badass aoes machines. If your talking about solo, the bard is better for sure.

[neat hatch]

It's a pretty big difference between the two, especially with abilities you can hold longer for more damage, where Bard is just press all the buttons all the time

[exotic raptor]

kind of like a fighter. Fighter is king of solo pve (after lvl 12)

[dark ledge]

Bard is so , yes. But I can easily take red enemies or star enemies, or even groups

So mage is only good in groups, suck solo ?

[neat hatch]

They aren't great solo until you have gear. Aoe farming non starred enemies isn't hard for a mage. But I don't know many mages solo'ing two stars like a Bard can.

But in pvp, if you're not being focused mage damage is so dang good

I only got to like level 12 on a mage so I don't know rotation, but I understand a bit of how their spells work cause I time thing with my mages as a Bard myself

[dark ledge]

I am very enjoying Bard, I just want to try something else

[neat hatch]

Bard is best. Bard is life

But yeah, play with groups, hopefully a consistent one and mage will shine

[dark ledge]

True. I noticed how good AOE dmg mage can get if there is a Tank in group 👍

Anything else I can try that is fun? Ranger maybe ?

Are rogues only good for PVP ?

[neat hatch]

Rogue was made by the same dev as Bard, Bucky. Rogue is really cool with a high skill ceiling. They excel for PVP with picking people off, but large group v group is tougher. I haven't tried ranger yet, but they are honestly a true solo target caster and seem to be fun to play.

But ranger, fighter and mage need some love still. Mage is the only class without a class resource now, like resonance

[dark ledge]

Ok, you sold me on rogue 🥷

[neat hatch]

While leveling, get used to where the max range is on melee weapons so you can avoid getting smacked by accident.

[scenic carbon]

Does anyone have some good info/guides on summoner. I'm looking for things like stat priorities, gear, how stats scale with your pet, etc. any info is appreciated, thanks!

[open badge]

this is the way

https://tenor.com/view/the-book-of-boba-fett-din-djarin-this-is-the-way-the-mandalorian-pedro-pascal-gif-24828674

[scenic carbon]

If i'm trying to make a tank build as a summoner, would I want to stack strength and physical stats (phys power, phys defense, etc) or would I still want to stack int and magical stats (mag power, mag defense, etc)? Trying to figure out how stats apply to pet scaling

[odd granite]

the stats seem to scale via magic power for your summons auto damage, the main thing to focus on is:
-Health
-Mitigation (defenses)
-Healing Power
-Mag Power

I don't think phys power does anything for the summon.

PvE wise, you might be able to get away with light clothing and transmutation, but there are enemies in the game that will literally ignore your Guardian's taunt and threat level to literally jump someone (I.e. you) and pop you, thus killing the entire build and concept of transmutation.

kind of ruins the entire point of the guardian, if you think about it.

Either way, the safest bet is either heavy armor with transmutation on the fly against magic enemies, or just Medium armor and never have to worry about BS again.

just as a headsup though, Guardian is...kind of buggy, their Brace doesn't work half the time for no reason, they'll take the essence cost, but they refuse to actually brace for impact.

and of course, becareful, because even if it does work, people can be cheeky and swing at the guardian, and force you to PvP up. Summoner ain't exactly hot in the pvp side unless decked out, so you might get griefed and popped.

[scenic carbon]

I see.. so even if I wanted to stack phys power for the spirit hunter, that wouldn't be the route to go? I'd still want to stack mag power in that case? Thank you for the response, learning alot!

[odd granite]

if another summoner can correct me on this, please do, I haven't seen much impact from phys power whereas mag power seemed to have a bigger impact with the summons.

[neat hatch]

Summoner uses magic power, you and your pet, no need to get any physical power items

[final hound]

https://tenor.com/view/papadin-william-papadin-nobleknight-charisma-charisma-buff-gif-25159562

[scenic carbon]

So for damage from a pet, that sounds like it scales with mag power, gotcha. Then I'm curious for other stats, like constitution and mentality - do these directly scale the pets health and mana?

[neat hatch]

That one im not sure entirely sure. But I believe their stats are based off of yours to an extent. I know they aren't as defensive so I'm not sure how much they benefit

[scenic carbon]

I'm mainly trying to figure out what stats scale directly with my pets stats versus my status. so far it sounds like:

• mag power -> my magic dmg + my pets damage (whether physical or magic)
• constitution -> my health + pets health?
• mentality -> my mana + pets mana?
  ... etc...

I haven't really found any resources online that touch on this

[candid briar]

i think you misspelled rogue, but its ok

[fringe burrow]

heavy to minimize physical damage while lvling

[worldly heart]

Hi guys , Any recommendations of gear set for 20-25 lv ranger?

[ionic viper]

What are Bards running at Radiant? I like Toren Administrator set but I don't even know if I can get that crafted right now. Or is there a good Heavy Fort with some disable power/HP?

[royal sedge]

Your constitution scales with the pet, as does any food/scroll buffs that affect your HP

Pretty sure mentality scales as well

[dapper citrus]

whats the best to build on a ranger?

like focus dex/ crit? or is str also important? or does that more matter if building short bow/ vs longbow?

[neat hatch]

Toren administration set takes both grand master stations and the forge relic to craft, unless you want to try and craft it in the forge itself. Grave plate is a pretty good heavy/force magic armor at level 26 which can be crafted on a few servers now. Sandbastion is my favorite heavy for magic, but it has crazy amounts of mats needed

[zinc sierra]

Graveplate is 23

But yes ig

[neat hatch]

Oh yeah.

[burnt kayak]

is there any class specific discords made? im personally looking for a cleric one.

[granite saddle]

Buff fighter

[neat hatch]

https://tenor.com/view/gohine-hohino-no-hohineee-gohineee-gif-17792172174678204487

[ashen star]

For summoner I can just keep clicking on and off bind and I get the refreshing follow through buff on me that restores my mana . This seems like maybe not intended

[neat hatch]

Doesn't the refreshing follow through only give mana after a finisher? The ability gives you the buff, then you need to perform a finisher?

[ashen star]

Yes but it seems like a toggle is not intended to trigger the buff I can just keep toggling instead of using a mana ability and regen mana for a single target boss fight or something

It seems the intent is you are using mana abilities like shred or hex , etc to trigger the buff

And so this helps the mana drain

[neat hatch]

Oh didn't realize it was just a free toggle. I know it works on any instant cast ability too. Probably just /bug it.

[vernal dagger]

so I notice 25 tanks pretty much soloing anything and darn near everything. I’m currently playing fighter at lv 20 will fighter have that same solo ability or what is ther usual cap like same level 3 stars or what

[wary stream]

Can Figthers help me out? I'm gonna use both overpowered and cleave or just one of them?

[odd granite]

radiant gear for tanks gets pretty crazy

[little siren]

CINZAS DA CRIAÇÃO! DALEEE | RESNA | !comandos - twitch.tv/kelebrimbor2

[grave fulcrum]

Have the devs said anything about how they feel about where summoner damage is at?

That we know of

[neat hatch]

Most that was mentioned by Steven was they felt the timers were too long, like hex. Needs adjustment on some of the procs. Should be part of this interview #news message

[ashen star]

How do I increase the summoners’ guardian or hunter pet’s damage. The tooltip states bludgeon and piercing damage . Would that be physical power or mag power on myself ? Or is this not possible

[odd granite]

mag power.

[grave fulcrum]

you remember roughly where?

in the vidf

[neat hatch]

no, watched it when they had it

[pearl nacelle]

Anyone got advice on tank builds for archetype skills? I'm not really sure what to pick next. I don't do a ton of PvP, but when it comes my way I don't shy away from it if that helps at all. This is what I'm running now, Though I've been kind of just picking what seems good in the moment. Any advice would be appreciated.

Lvl 18, looking to plan the skills i pick up all the way to 25

[slim topaz]

How can I upgrade a level 2 node to level 3?

[warm fulcrum]

U using aoe skills or single target?

[pearl nacelle]

I prefer AoE, though I use single target when yoinking stragglers

[warm fulcrum]

I like to use single target skills and taunt with intimidating aura because when pvp appears u are full prepared but if u don't have pvp you can go full aoes

[tulip aurora]

I'm 25 fighter with full radiant but nothing special, just common items with correct-ish stats. I can solo like 7-8 20-21lvl 1* crabs. Thing is, your main sustain is blood fusion and it does not heal if you dont deal damage so you need to watch out for blinds for example. Also you need to time berserk for cd resets if you're in trouble (to get additional blood fusion cast or cc break with battle cry). Overall i think fighter is very strong for solo farm but you need to know enemy kit.

[odd ridge]

Reflect

[upbeat solstice]

How's tank for pvp

[uneven zephyr]

hello
how obtain this skin on guardian for summoner?

[prime otter]

"I haven't really found any resources online that touch on this" - took me 5 seconds to write the prompt

[prime otter]

it wasn't really regarding the damage but the issue of long dots persisting after the flagging effect disappears on summoner and then enemy dying making you corrupt or smth like that (FYI)

[neat hatch]

That's not a guardian for summoner. That's a mount cosmetic called guarden

[grave fulcrum]

Yeah i caught that part

[balmy sinew]

Summoner's Spirit Mystic' Sic command cannot distinguish the attack and heal between an offensive and defensive target, can it?
Appears it always attacks the offensive target and never heal the defensive target

[hard nimbus]

Summons have their own targets, when you press the skill's button it targets your defensive/offensive target depending on the skill. Can't leave them in auto it screws up the targetting for the heal

[balmy sinew]

I dont think they have their own targets. To me it looks like they use the player's targets.
Anyway: I dont think this is answering the question 🙂
Sic doesn't prioritise its effects

[hard nimbus]

They most definately do since you can sic them onto a target and move on to another one and they'll stick to the first

[balmy sinew]

Indeed, just figured it out as well! Thanks anyway! 🙂
However, bit of a hassle-ish gameplay, especially if you want to weave in something like Essence Eruption. You can weave in an offensive spell like Essence Eruption and the pet resumes Sic and healing the defensive target afterwards

[fickle parrot]

Silly question maybe, but how do i set up my rogue to do the most AOE dmg? 😮
Some of the XP farm groups is asking for people to have AOE setup.

[dark ledge]

Greatsword

[rain basalt]

how to get sheeps of uncommon/rare/heroic/epic quality?

[shy violet]

Greatsword, thrash flurry passive, throw, ruthless passive, expanded toolbelt with preferred poison, lacerate

[analog pilot]

hate yourself very deeply

you can proc up with Quality and farming, and then breed them with animal husbandry to get another baby, that you can then raise and hope for another proc

but its not worth the cost at all, and kind of just have to accept that they will pretty much just be common or uncommon

[rain basalt]

as I feared, well thanks for the info 🙂

[odd granite]

their system with husbandry is just fucked in general. Wondering what their overhaul on it is gonna be.

[vernal dagger]

For clerics is it focus only on healing power or magical power?

[neat hatch]

its possible to go only healing mostly. but both are what ya want. if you want to solo stuff getting mp helps

[vapid flower]

glorybound great axe or twin daggers for rogue? im gonna craft an epic

[vapid flower]

or spear?

spear looks good with crit chance and hp

[glass onyx]

Fighters are way better solo killing stuff than tank

[glass onyx]

Heal power is 60% of ur magic power
Heal crit chance is 50% of magi crit chance

Always focus on healpower, itsway more powerful IF possible.

[hushed zephyr]

Not elites.

[uneven matrix]

PvP fighters, mind sharing what is your gear choice atm?

[dark ledge]

Guys, I am just starting playing rogue. And it occured to me that spear would probably be the perfect weapon for them ?

[bright star]

Any suggestions on where to farm for a new weapon and shield for my tank? Currently level 16 and still using shield from the start and mace from one of the 1st quests

[polar mason]

It will come with actually raising animals as part of the freehold system, once they put that back in the game

[craggy needle]

Full heavy + hp

[uneven matrix]

weapon choices?
am curently on Gaxe and shortbow, any suggestions?

[craggy needle]

Hp is a huge stat. For leveling you can use whatever gives you the most power. After that, Gloryhole greater axe and longbow is a good option since both have HP

[uneven matrix]

so HP > offensive stats

[craggy needle]

Well, depends on your playstyle. If you want to build glass canon and die to wind or be a huge gigachad

With food buff I have 8.5k hp and I enjoy how much I'm able to survive

[uneven matrix]

currently sitting on like 5.1k and I would assume pyrebrand greataxe can do big difference since its another 700 hp bonus
with buffs I should be able to be around 8-8.5k as well

I am usually playing a glass canon tho it's not a rogue

[craggy needle]

Ye that's a big weapon pyrebrand axe and short bow, but they will cost your life. A cheap version is gloryhole gaxe and longbow

I'm a rogue tank

[solid pendant]

Doesn't full heavy mean you get chunked by magic?

[uneven matrix]

probably, but im getting kinda chunked now anyway with medium ngl

[vapid flower]

That's what I'm thinking honestly. HP, defense, good crit and decent damage

Probably has better auto attack range too but idk I've never played spear

[uneven matrix]

spear AA is crap

[dark ledge]

It has huge range

[uneven matrix]

if you look for pvp its ok for stats but definitely AA is bad

[dark ledge]

Why is spear AA crap ??

[uneven matrix]

the finisher is delayed af

[dark ledge]

Is it? Hmm... So what melee weapon you suggest for rogue ?

[uneven matrix]

mostly GS

[dark ledge]

GS for all

[uneven matrix]

yup

speed is good, the top passive is good

which is the same for gaxe but different for spear

spear share the passive of bows

[dark ledge]

The thing is when you backflip sometime you end up far away. Spear has massive range, the backstab will register even from distance

No, spear has same passive as gs

[uneven matrix]

pretty sure spear have deadeye

[dark ledge]

Let me check..

Bullseye

[uneven matrix]

yeah

so long bow

well bows in general

[vapid flower]

I'm gonna give spear a try and see how it goes. Gonna make a epic glorbound and give it a test

SPEAR META

[uneven matrix]

well I wish spear is always the best looking one

[dark ledge]

Imho spear has better passive , more bleeding , more crit chance - That is good for rogue

GS gives you 15% higher speed. But that is for AA , rogue is doing damage with skills not with AA

[uneven matrix]

generally you wouldn't want to do melee in pvp

so melee is more of a stat stick

where GS have more speed&dmg i think

[dark ledge]

So rogue using ranged weapons in PVP ? How does that work. Barely any of rogue skills is ranged ?

[uneven matrix]

everyone use ranged in pvp basically

besides tank ig

[dark ledge]

So rogue would be pita

No mater what they equip. They have almost no viable ranged rotation

[uneven matrix]

you dont need a rotation

[dark ledge]

Just AA with ranged ?

[uneven matrix]

you just pull out ranged to have constant AA

[dark ledge]

So why not play bard or ranger ?

[uneven matrix]

rogue got like 5 gap closers , top pvp class

different skill set

[dark ledge]

Gap closers, but you are ranged attacking ?

[uneven matrix]

so imagine you're jumping a mage or smth right
he blinks away

are you gonna run after him with your sword out? no, get your bow out

[zinc sierra]

When you melee you don’t auto is what he is saying

[uneven matrix]

yes ^

[dark ledge]

You gap close to him no problm

And spear, for that matter has insane range

[solid pendant]

if you are full heavy with tank don't you get chunked by magic dam? isn't it better to get a few mdium pieces?

[vapid flower]

im gonna go spear and see how it works. need the defense over going full glass cannon gaxe

[queen spire]

Attack speed is super important as it lowers your global cooldown, meaning you get combos off faster and everything feels more responsive when combining.

So taking a mix is nice, but stacking crit power works nicely to bump up the numbers

[vapid flower]

is physical speed the attack speed you are talking about?

[dark ledge]

Yes

[glad cloak]

https://tenor.com/view/elmo-burning-hell-gif-1773731824984430627

Big power is good, and alive points

[vapid flower]

is mentality ass on a rogue?

[dark ledge]

Guys whats good place to level to 10 on Anvils side ?

[versed viper]

KT has good pois and a nice town

Go the Bonfire route at level 1

[zinc sierra]

it's magic defense

[glad cloak]

Not power or max hp so meh.

Mentality is MR and max mana. So it’s over budgeted magic resist / bad

[vapid flower]

Ok that's the one drawback I guess for spear stats

Maybe I go daggers instead but idk spear still looks kinda good lol

[neat hatch]

There's decent spear options out there for a rogue

[vapid flower]

Glorybound?

[queen monolith]

How terrible truly is fighter? I rolled bard this phase but keep wishing I rolled like a melee bruiser or something

[neat hatch]

id say wavecutter and shafowfang ones are better than glorybound, but glorybound is good for moore defensive stats if that is what youre going for.

[vapid flower]

yea i like the defensive stats because i don't want to just get focused and die right away

and it has really good crit on top

[stuck cave]

My girl is rolling a cleric, whats best weps for her? Wand/focus for magic dam and fast auto attack?

[wind crater]

is there any plans or something im currently not seeing to different tier mounts having better benefits? currently not seeing any difference between a common and epic tiered mount

[wind frigate]

Best weapons for bard?

[shut valve]

Summoners: does automate pet actually work well or is it fairly useless? I can't tell.

[versed viper]

personally I prefer wand/focus for those reasons

and also because it's single target vs book bounces and is AoE which can pull unwanted mobs

[odd granite]

anythings better than "spend this amount of gold, sit on your ass and hope for the best"

[mortal pond]

Allow mages to create portals like you could do in some old mmos

[mint slate]

May not be the exact bruiser your after but have you considered melee bard

[ripe ether]

I also haven't noticed it doing anything

[tulip inlet]

any bard at lvl 20 what gear you using?

[umbral wing]

Is there a good entry level radiant tank set to use lvling from 20-25?

[lilac zenith]

I got both a summoner and fighter to 17 and im trying to figure out which would be best at 25 with gear. I like to mostly solo and do professions, so being able to hold my own is a strong desire for me. Any thoughts?

Im worried the summoner tank might die too easily to be useful and the fighter might just get squished.

[tacit mango]

Depends... I've seen some super strong summoners. Question is are you prepared to micro the pet and be good? Also getting the talent that inversely buffs pet is very overlooked as well (pets gets physical def. based on your magic def. One)

[south yew]

fighter is the most broken class in the game in all scenarios and its not even close, i have 5k hp ranger with 48% phys defense and a fighter in all radiant common gear can just walk up and kill me in under 2 seconds

fighter is so strong that if u setup an organized 20v20 and you put any comp against 3 tanks 10 fighters 4 clerics 2 bards nothing could beat it

id go as far as to say that 10 fighters could beat any 20 man comp

[meager shuttle]

i dont doubt that 10 fighters could beat your 20 man comp

[prime otter]

book for aoe & group play, scepter + focus or wand or magical bow for st

[polar mason]

Hornbound briar greatsword has healing power on it

[south yew]

good one! really productive to the balance of the game when someone clueless starts typing 🤪

[lilac zenith]

I was mostly asking for pve, since im off gathering and filling my bags for the guild a lot. Just want to be able to hold my own as well as any other class solo at max level

But its dope to hear they are doing good in pvp too

[south yew]

fighter best 1v1 class and has infinite sustain

easily can pve to get the hard gathering in mobs

[lilac zenith]

Thanks man for your help. I appreciate you taking the time to help me out.

[meager shuttle]

couldt find a more wrong person to say that to

comedic

[south yew]

so u think fighter isnt miles ahead of every other class in solo pve potential and in pvp?

nice ego on the fella too

[meager shuttle]

thats not what i think thats how it is though im one of the few ones who dont think fighter is garbo

i dont care about pve its irrelevant but its strong there

[south yew]

anyone who things fighter is garbage just doesnt do pvp

[meager shuttle]

ur getting the special kek

what region are you

[south yew]

yeh bro produce nothing constructive just meme

nice head

so why isnt fighter op?

can u even give 1 logical reason xd

form a thought right quick

[meager shuttle]

answer me first i asked first

go ahead

[south yew]

resna shol and vyra

[meager shuttle]

there it is

but to answer your question

[south yew]

im curious what ur point is fr

it cant be intelligent

[meager shuttle]

fighters inherit problem is that it doesnt offer much utility while it has decent dmg output, other than that it relies heavily on ttk which it generelly favours slower ones with the sustain blood fusion gives while having no other defensive capabilities (i wouldt call lifesteal defensive but anyway). in pvp fights (bigger fights) its mostly a fight to catch enemies with cc then which favours heavily cc and ranged classes

fighters can jump in and create decent pressure but in the grand scheme it still is lacking, as i said its not bad as most people believe but saying its king and all is just

but i dont expect any less from NA players, no offense but ur region is bad

[south yew]

ur EU servers are on NA and still have mostly NA players

[meager shuttle]

sick burn

[south yew]

fighter does not struggle in large fights at all. they can freely walk in on sides and delete any clump of people lol

its funny ur bringing skill into the equation when its clear as day damage = king

ttk is all that matters when on high end of gear u can just blow people up in 1 second

there is no skill required in pvp in this game

[meager shuttle]

so people can blow up in 1 second but fighter can run freely so they dont blow up? ur contradicting yourself

@past whale ur region is cooked bruh

[south yew]

the render distance coming from the side and flanking because in large fights the servers die and they will be on top of u before u even see them on ur screen

[past whale]

what I miss

[south yew]

so ur whole logic of large scale pvp makes no sense because the servers literally cant handle large scale pvp

have u done a town war lol??

its unplayable

[meager shuttle]

[south yew]

large scale doesnt exist

i killed 50 in 1 engage abusing how bad the servers are

[past whale]

If you think fighter is good you’re on crack

[meager shuttle]

ur really not a good look for your region bud

[south yew]

i mean i saw the video of the war on lyneth it was the same shit

so idk how u can say any different

[past whale]

https://tenor.com/view/escanor-gif-10507320087304996260

[meager shuttle]

i didnt say that the performance is trash

but saying large scale doesnt exist

sure is something

[south yew]

the performance is trash and ur using large scale as an example of fighter = bad

there is no large scale

its unplayable, how can u even judge anything?

[meager shuttle]

i guess i didnt had large scales fights in the past then

its playable

[meager shuttle]

remember the desert fight we had? was playable

[past whale]

I’m just chuckling at the fighter cope there might be 5 fighter players worth a damn in this community and that’s pushing it. Everyone else is dogshit and should be on ranger or tank

[south yew]

so u truly think fighter isnt heavily overtunes xd

[meager shuttle]

where we ddosed your SW crashed and ur ship went poof

[meager shuttle]

most of em are not even playing xd

ill come back tho eventually

[south yew]

i pray for the pvp balance of this game, because without a good pvp loop the games just dead insta

[meager shuttle]

classes will change anyway but objectively speaking, leave it to the guys who actually know their stuff

respectfully

[south yew]

"know their stuff" u think ur actually fighting good players?

thats ur ego again xd

fighter is giga overtuned

[meager shuttle]

i played with the best players and against the best players the game has/had to offer

so ye

[south yew]

what if they are just mediocre and everyone else is just really bad?

or could ur ego not handle that?

[meager shuttle]

again couldt picked a more wrong person xd

so sol deus, cartel, polar, aura, purple, madhouse are all medicore

[south yew]

do u think the cieling of pvp skill is high in this game? or the floor isnt insanely low?

[meager shuttle]

and many more

[past whale]

Must be low if you think fighter is world starring

[meager shuttle]

unlucky bois pack it up

actually only had 1 fight against purple i think

oh and holiday forgot them too

fought against some of them too when i had to drop guild to attack them, fkers wanted to steal my lvling spot

[granite saddle]

Please play fighter before making dumb claims like this btw

[meager shuttle]

i think he learned

[weary pumice]

I don't get why people engage with people trolling and rage baiting. Just block and move on.

[meager shuttle]

not everything in life you disagree with is ragebaiting or trolling

its easy to dismiss it as such which sadly too many people do

i get it though, it is to protect ones feelings

[fresh cape]

yo, is there a tank discord?

[meager shuttle]

no, also classes dont have enough depth to varrant theorycrafting also gera and stats changes frequently still

the only thing i saw was a ranger discord

[queen monolith]

Who teaches fighter/knows a lot regarding? I am playing bard right now, but as crazy as it sounds I'm wanting to play a melee bruiser more, even with the udnerstanding of Ranged being better the bigger the fight gets AND the crazy thigns bard does. Like I would rather like to play Cleric, Tank, or Fighter. I am sure people would tell me to just play Tank or Cleric but fighter seems interesting to me and I dont think I'd mind taking the time to learn to be good on them.

Also, I only mention Cleric, in regards to melee, as I have fougbt against some certain players from Purple that have been giga tanky melee clerics.

[granite saddle]

I love fighter and would just say play tank

[queen monolith]

awwww damn, its in that rough of spot?

[meager shuttle]

https://tenor.com/view/obi-wan-kenobi-of-course-i-know-him-hes-me-gif-12774102

but ye youd do your team a favour if you take something else over fighter

esp as bard

[granite saddle]

^

[queen monolith]

yea, i know Bard is insane, but as is right now while still trying to gear up, I just am not enjoying it as much and miss being like a melee bruiser

[meager shuttle]

well, if you wanna play it ideally you harass and put constant pressure on enemies

[fresh cape]

ye fair, just a bit hard to find information on builds for tank, but I'll just figure it out as I play. that is the most fun anyway

[meager shuttle]

most classes beside the last 3 new ones only have really 1 build to go, not much variance

tank is one of them

[fresh cape]

yea but I don't know what that build is :p

for pve its fairly obvious

and pvp it also is, but still

would be nice to see what people find the best builds as, I would definitely learn smth

[meager shuttle]

i have to say me neither, tank is one of the classes i didnt play

[keen ravine]

What is the BiS gear for rangers right now? Rosarium?

[grave fulcrum]

What weapon types are my summoner bretheren aiming for out of curiosity? I've found faster seems to feel better but figured I'd come test the waters

[lilac zenith]

I think a lot are using the magic book or shortbow, for melee either a sword, scepter or axe and a shield or focus as needed

Depends on if you want single target or aoe damage

[amber sparrow]

anyone know if greatswords or great axes are the best dps weapons?

[lilac zenith]

apparently greatswords because the attack speed is nicer than the crit chance of great axes

Thats what ive seen and been told at least.

I have both on my fighter and prefer the sword more

[mint slate]

It's preference thing, they have slight differences but are generally comparable regardless but personal play style and preference will be main factors to which you roll with

[pale nexus]

eu swamped na in the the 2.5 tourneys

please be quiet

[grave fulcrum]

We mostly focus on gear for pvp

I've been looking at the nightreaver gloomstring longbow potentially because it has so much power

[sinful bluff]

greataxe get better perks in the skil tree than sword though however there rough to get off in PvP situation but it PvE there insane to thepoint u AA for 1-2k dmg on mobs ur level per swing 😛

[dim veldt]

Cleric Question: I see many cleric builds online using Shortbow, but what is the advantage does it have over codex? or even Wand/Focus which I'm using right now.

[serene valve]

I honestly I think either bow needs to be nerfed or other magical ranged options should be buffed..

A cleric with a bow cool kingdom come deliverance vibes (father Godwin the goat shout out my dude may he stay as bad ass as he is) but Wands and books should be able to be considered staples not a bow for magic users.

[dim veldt]

right. i like the wand for its single target tbh. i have not tried the bow, but is it also single target like the wand or more like bow? is it faster? i dont understand why so many builds use the bow

[serene valve]

Bow has high dps which also lends to giving the caster more mana and debuffs the enemy

That’s why it’s meta right now

[craggy stump]

How should I be gearing out my bard? What items should I go for first when getting to lvl20?

[dim veldt]

oh i see, its for the procs etc from class skills/passives

[serene valve]

The weapon skill for giving the user mana back is why and procing a debuff on the enemy plus the absurd amount of intelligence it gives if it’s an intelligence bow. Since bows give intelligence and not dexterity.. jk there different variations like a recipe I found that has magical healing and magic dmg with added intelligence. Also @craggy stump sorry brother I don’t play bard I couldn’t tell you

@dim veldt I could link you my recipe I gave my buddy since we’re partners in game and show you it it’s tough

[dim veldt]

that would be cool ty

[thorny gull]

whats the best set for tanks? armor and weapon combo, for pvp and to win

[grave fulcrum]

you think most summoners are using 1h offhand in melee?

[lilac zenith]

Mine wears a shield and one handed axe. Because blocking saves lives.

Why are you going melee as a summoner anyways? It should be the rare exception you ever have to. Block and get back to range.

[amber sparrow]

anyone know the optimal dps weapon talent tree for PvE atleast?

[hushed zephyr]

It doesn't matter. Weapon skills are basically the same, very weak, mostly bugged (probably) and you can beat all PvE in white trash gear anyway

[sinful bluff]

They kinda placeholders atm tbh it seems

[fickle parrot]

Any suggestions on what radiant armor to wear as a lvl 25 rogue ?
Thanks in advance.

[odd granite]

most likely, becuase lemme be real, if you don't have anything else to save you after phase out ends, it's kind of GG

you either need to block and save yourself, or the team needs to be ready to protect the summoner's ass.

[odd granite]

trying to think of a melee comp but without subclasses, I don't think it can work atm.

[sinful bluff]

plate cause leather is complete ass to make atm and light physical armor its basicly impossible to get recipes for

[stuck cave]

Whats are u guys liking better for rogues for burst damage 1v1? 2h sword burst setup or 2h spear or daggers+poison setup

[sinful bluff]

feels bad when u ambushing 3 people as ranger and ur snipe misses welp i guess i die now 😄

[amber sparrow]

so i see more and more tanks running around with a 2hnader

is that for when playing solo?

or do the kit work without a shield?

[glad cloak]

Shields bad

[mint slate]

Polar bad

[solid pendant]

what are mages wearing at adept? full sanctus skulker?

[mint slate]

Adept is kinda a funky phase where your kinda just gearing to get through to 20 to get late stage gear so it's a mix between what your server has available to craft, your alot layout preference or for many player who's while loop is mob grinding it's whatever rng gives you

[warped bramble]

focus on getting the focus passive

while getting good stats for your mage

like power, intelligence, and wisdom

[thorny gull]

Whats the best tank pvp and pve gear? Im also an armor smith so i know what to start saving up for

[sinful bluff]

25% accuracy still miss 40% of my skills on lower level mobs -.-

[deft ibex]

Get gud

Nah, fr. The numbers might not be correct, bug report it.

If you're experiencing anything that doesn't statistically make sense, even if it could be statistically probable, bug report it. It might be bad luck, it might be a bad reference in the code causing you to miss unnecessarily. Its better to bug report it and be wrong than not bug report it be right.

[normal solar]

So im a little confused on the weapon scaling and was wondering if someone cold help out. When it comes to magical weapons, i know they scale with magic power. I get that. What im having trouble understanding is with the damage when you hover over your weapon in-game (next to your hot bar). With the Scepter, a weapon that scales with magic power, says it does arcane damage per hit. But something like a greatsword still does slashing damage even though the weapon itself scales with magic power. Wouldnt it make sense for the weapon to deal an elemental damage? Does the slashing itself scale with the magic power as well? that doesnt feel right to me. Not trying to start an arguement, just a conversation and help understanding.

[sinful bluff]

i think right now if it it has magical power on the weapon does magic dmg so it vs magic resistance
if it physical power it does physical dmg even if it says arcane dmg which one owuld think is magic dmg

I havant tested yet but thats just how it seems to be i realy gotta get around to testing that atm but it seems to me dmg types is in it coming phase but not quite implemented yet

[mint slate]

yes mag power weapons scale with your magical power same as phys power weapons scale with phys for the physical sclaing classes but the weapons although scale with your magic swords, bows etc still hit with the physical damage type but they scale that physical damage type to your magical power, if that makes sense

[solid pendant]

Physical damage doesn't scale with magic.

[mint slate]

magical scaling weapons that do physical damage do

[solid pendant]

Magic weapons do magic auto attack damage

Sry I think I may be wrong

[solid pendant]

https://tenor.com/view/dance-dancing-embarrassed-run-away-napoleon-dynamite-gif-25398835

[mint slate]

i mean like a spellsword scales with magical power but still hits enemy with the physical slash damage type

[torn mist]

Objective and true statement

[vapid flower]

What do stats like fire weapon and necrotic weapon do. And how do they compare to power/magic power stat

[violet dome]

Which master expansion melee weapon do you think is best for cleric currently?

[native meadow]

Yo, what melee weapon type is the best for bard pvp?

I'm thinking greatsword but can't find a good one for me. Is a great mace as good?

[ivory narwhal]

Holy fuck the misinformation in here is horrible. Im sorry I ever looked at this chat. To any noobs reading this drivel, its mostly wrong. And for gods sake, stay out of melee unless your a tank rogue or fighter. And NEVER change to melee weapon. You can block with a ranged weapon, and if you have a shield equipped you passively block 25% of attacks whether its actually in your hands or not.

Also most of the weapon damage type info is wrong here too but ima stop here.

[fallen holly]

Day 459 of asking them to fix fighter because why is this class still around

[ivory narwhal]

Because spinning is fun

[fallen holly]

“Get 1 spin off before being nuked by ranged Challenge [IMPOSSIBLE MODE]”

[solid pendant]

skill issue

[fallen holly]

[solid pendant]

i mean you have tons of gap closers and cc, as well as big dam. people just suck with the class. also you shouldn't be trying to spin in a pvp fight it's a pve aoe skill

[ivory narwhal]

Fighter sucks in an even fight for sure.

If the fighter is a bit overgeared compared to their opponents though they trash entire groups of people

[fallen holly]

Yeah, honestly i think meta is Stoneglen and spin in there backline

[fallen holly]

Terrible take; spin on boats and delete them

[fallen holly]

Honestly its just a zvz problem and has been. Unless you have the health, there isn’t much you’re doing in a big group.

[solid pendant]

boat is not a person bro

[neat hatch]

Hey! Melee Bard go hard

[glad cloak]

I was thinking of typing the same thing. Even just aoe bleeds for rogues or rangers to hemo

In general don’t use melee weapons but pve you “should”

Tbf 90% of the time it doesn’t really matter at least for bard pve. Being safe, higher spell uptimes, rotation is more important. If you are the dmg bard sure but still

[neat hatch]

If you're setup properly as Bard and have ranger friend, melee Bard can melt some people

Vines, florish, snap (cause they cc break to get out of vines) or just go apocalypse, full auto melee to cause as many extra hits from apoc and ranger doing scatter shot in the distance

Really fun when you get to do that. But I've only gotten to do that like 3 times total in engagements

Book also can help, but doesn't hit as many as melee

[slim quarry]

hey all. If i wanted a more Paladin type gameplay would that be Templar or Apostle for Cleric main? i love the whole melee damage with radiance spec meta with cleric right now and trying to decide which subclass would enhance that more

[neat hatch]

I don't think we know enough to say how subclasses will affect you yet. But there is also a paladin already

[slim quarry]

ahh but it means i would need to start as a tank got it

i did not know thanks

[native meadow]

hey u seem to know stuff! Does magic power increase auto attack dmg?

[neat hatch]

I would also argue a cleric+tank is closer to paladin than tank+cleric as clerics abilities are more in line with "radiant" power lore kinda stuff

[neat hatch]

Yes! More power means more damage. Just be sure to use a weapon that matches your main stat scaling. Like if you are a magic user, use weapons with magic power and intelligence

[native meadow]

Was kinmda confused cuz when u hover over the aumto attack it shows a window saying like 1st hit 40% pierce dmg and i saw pierce only in physical stats window

[neat hatch]

Yup, "physical" damage type weapons with magic power are converting your magic power to physical damage. You will technically do less damage to enemies with heavy armor but more damage to enemies with light armor

It's dumb and confusing

[native meadow]

huh thats kinda goofy

[neat hatch]

There's good reasons to have both available but most people don't ever bother.

Like I just got a longbow made but I'll be keeping my wand close so that I can do even more damage to a heavy user

[slim quarry]

for example for Cl;eric who has more spell dmg than physical. the "Sceptre" weapon is magic dmg even though you are hitting people with the end of the stick. so me upping spell power while swinging my Sceptre increses my dmg

[neat hatch]

Well more so on things like magic daggers

[native meadow]

im even more confused now

[neat hatch]

And magic Spears. They do "physical" damage that is scaled off your magic power

[native meadow]

by this

as a bard is there any point having physical attack stats?

[neat hatch]

A scepter does arcane damage. Which is a type of magic damage. There are phys power scaling wands and sceptors which convert the phys power a player has to arcane damage

[native meadow]

ok so a scepter that gives like 1000 physical power, converts ur physical power to arcane power (magic) on like a warrior or a rogue

a spear that does 40% pierce dmg coverts ur mag power or what ever and deals physical dmg to ur target on for examle a mage

[neat hatch]

It needs to have the correct starting stat though

Like for an example

[slim quarry]

that is a physial dmg wand

[neat hatch]

This is a physical wand. A ranger can use this to take advantage of the wand skill tree if they want to. It gives them more physical power, but the auto attacks they use will do arcane (magic) damage

[native meadow]

ok now I got it!

so it could be beneficial to have a sword and a scepter to use situationalyl depending on if the taret has more armor or magic resist

[neat hatch]

Yup. I know very few who bother, but it is useful. I'll have both wand and longbow as a Bard because I really like wand overall, but without a longbow group PVP becomes very hard

[native meadow]

nice nice

ok so follow up to my first question: as a bard, is it ok if I get a great mace or greatsword better?

[neat hatch]

Now if only they could fix the focus always going to main hand and not off hand when you click on it....

[slim quarry]

for my cleric i have a sceptre/shield for my melee and a book for my ranged

and i do massive dmg

[native meadow]

im gonna be a battle bard, getting a longbow but idk what to get as melee weapon

[neat hatch]

This will depend on the stats and if you like the skill trees. I like most melee weapons available for Bard except spear. Spear just didn't feel good to me, however it has the longest melee range available and is super use full to Bard overall

But for this phase, I used a green great sword drop until I could craft my heroic great mace

[native meadow]

so it might be good to go scepter and focus in my case since I will have physical on my bow?

[neat hatch]

You could, but only in pve will you generally bother with melee Bard. It's fun to try in PVP when you're very geared, but it's quite hard to make it worth it

[native meadow]

but half the skills are melee 🙁

[neat hatch]

No, the skills with very short ranges are meant to be used and then flourish out, or to be used when the enemy mobs are looking away from you and towards a tank

Only true melee ability on a Bard is get off the stage

Which is why it kicks things away from you, so that you're not in melee anymore

[native meadow]

hmm alright, so it's best to just get a weapon that gives hte most stats for pvp

[neat hatch]

If you want to do PVP, yes. Plus they removed diminishing returns on power and it's pretty effective to just run power, however I highly recommend trying to get to around 110% speed as a Bard. It's an extremely noticeable difference than like 95%

There is a longbow with speed, forget the name, but it's the one I want over what I already have

[native meadow]

what do u have now?

[neat hatch]

Glorybound steadydraw. It's just cheap to craft at rare

Dread wake under tow would be the one I really want. But very very expensive to make

[native meadow]

lmao 😄

as if thats ever gonna be crafte

[neat hatch]

We're getting plenty of grand master stuff up on Resna. I just don't wanna gather that many materials for it

[native meadow]

the amount of mats is kinda insane ngl

but yea I was thinking of getting the bow u have too

at heroic

[neat hatch]

It's not a terrible bow. Beats the uncommon dropped wand and heroic focus I had by almost 1k power at rare alone

[native meadow]

yup

also it doesnt have useless stats like mana

and has some hp and i am kinda lacking in that

[normal solar]

See.... THIS! THIS is what doesnt make sense in my head. THe scepter is a bonk weapon. meaning you attack with it and hit the target in a physcial way. Yet it does Arcane damage. Why dont the other weapons scale with a megical element? i think it would be better for peoples brains to comprehend rather than the kinda confusing system is it now. Magical weapons in general should have a magical elements to them. idk. im just speaking my mind outloud to see if anyone else likes/dislikes the way it is now.

ALSO: I have not read past this point in the messages/responses. So i apologize if this was talked about in greater detail but i just got home from work.

[native meadow]

no it wasn't talked about and idk lol

i guess since it's associated with magic it deals magic dmg

[mint slate]

the sceptor is a funkly thing its basically the magical scaling mace and mace is physical but they wanted a magic damage melee weapon so made its own mace variation

[normal solar]

Im so sorry that i ruffled your feathers for playing the way i like to play (battlemage) with the very limited time that i have to play. How. fucking. dare. I. The fucking audactiy.

[normal solar]

I would be completely happy if they brought a 2 handed scepter

All my issues would be solved lol

[native meadow]

great staff

[normal solar]

Or if the staff ends up being a 2 handed bonk lol

[mint slate]

staff is 2 hander and is coming , not sure if it does mag or phys damage

[native meadow]

fuck it im gonna go magic daggers

[neat hatch]

Staff will be a 2 handed range weapon

Should be a magic auto weapon.

[neat hatch]

Yeah this part is weird because the scepter has the exact same tree as a mace, just does arcane instead..

[normal solar]

It will be a ranged weapon but it would be pretty cool if it took up both slots and was a bonk and ranged

[neat hatch]

There once was a book that could go into the melee slot

Couldn't actually use it to bash people upside they head, but it was a nice stat stick

[normal solar]

RIGHT!?!?!

Like it fucking does MAGIC DAMAGE

give it a magic skill tree

[neat hatch]

Well weapon skill trees are also technically place holders... Pretty sure the game itself is a place holder

[vernal dagger]

Any 25 end game summoners experimented on armors is medium or light the way to go?

Trying to figure it out with pet mag def to psy def it would make sense light is best for tank but all medium seems smart to cover both sides for dps and healing pet to survive

[lament pumice]

From what ive heard, they wear heavy.

[reef cloak]

Can anyone link me in the direction of a good pvp/pve rogue guide?

[autumn lark]

5 hvy, 3 light. Force 5 pc for int scaling.

Light is ultra bait. bad for pvp, bad for pve.

[vernal dagger]

with 5 heavy im guessing u dont go with the def swap trait for pet then

[autumn lark]

Nah, I did that 1-20 and life was pain

Swapped to heavy at radiant and game went easy mode

keep 3 light to help mitigate some magic dmg/pvp

[vernal dagger]

so the pet scales 1:1 w/o trait im guessing my physical is pets physical

[autumn lark]

Yup

But best way to pve is you tanking yourself and heal pet heals you anyway

Tank pet is also bait

[vernal dagger]

haha makes sense

[autumn lark]

I think with current gear @ radiant, pet heals for like.. 1300

and it costs almost nothing.

It's busted ngl

[river compass]

how is everyone currently kitting there mage armor wise

[glass onyx]

It still heals only 10% max hp always, no matter the healing taken or whatever.
Great that this is broken since Phase 1 :)

I wonder when the devs actually fix broken stuff instead of giving us more broken content (Its the harbinger patch right? Ah nvm its not working)

[sudden ember]

can we get 1 chat for each class?

@winged plank 😄

would be fun to be able to read a log of people talking about a class i don't know.

[violet dome]

i suppose this wasnt in reply to my question but you seem to know your stuff. I am aware melee weapons on cleric and other ranged classes are pretty much stat sticks, i was wondering which i should go for...most stats i guess

[exotic raptor]

that would be pretty cool

[ivory narwhal]

standard is glorybound laurelbound greatmace until ilvl 29 stuff is available

[violet dome]

ye its basically this and was also looking at pyrebrand greataxe

less power but had good crit chance and crit power plus some accuracy which im still not sure if its useful to have extra of

[reef cloak]

Anyone got a rogue pvp guide/build thats fairly new and shows talents, stamina ect?

[torn mist]

Why

[reef cloak]

wdym why?

[torn mist]

Because there is really no choice currently. At 25 you get almost everything.

[reef cloak]

Not the stamina points ect tho?

[odd crag]

Keep spending that stamina then

Level it up

[devout aurora]

If you need a guide, you are not ready to wield the sword

[exotic raptor]

I have to agree with this guy. try out the skills / weapons and find what feels right for your play style. Go with that stuff.

A guildmate and myself both play rogues. We have massively different ways of playing them.

[torn mist]

I think you should explore freely with the stamina points. Perhaps you will find yourself blocking alot?

[reef cloak]

Only dodging

[zinc sierra]

You live in previous phases

[reef cloak]

Dude that’s literally why I’m asking for a build advice. I started playing like 5 days ago, how should I be aware of ‘previous’ phases?

[zinc sierra]

Soz didnt read all previous message, im no rogue expert but i guess dodging might be fine cause of the rogue improved dodge, else i would go block

[plush dagger]

Jump off a cliff and hit the button. It works. I did that yesterday and healed for 30% max HP

[glass onyx]

You have a clip of that?

I cannot replicate that.

[plush dagger]

I do not have video clip

[glass onyx]

Ok it eventually worked.
But it does NOT work in pve
Neither if im alone or in grp

So it only works after fall damage, great!

[plush dagger]

I think the 4 second tracker may not be appropriately implemented and jt takes last hit only

[glass onyx]

Might be this

[plush dagger]

Try using it immediately after a large hit like carph knight smite

Screenshot combat log and math your max hp

[glass onyx]

my alt tank is lv 11
Will try on marauder jump attack

[plush dagger]

Its also hard to tell in combat. Imagine you have a button that instantly sets your HP to what it was exactly 4 seconds ago. That could result in you having less HP than you currently do. If thats the case you get 10% heal

It's much easier to predict the result when you dom't have external i coming heals

Or more realistic, 4 seconds ago you got hit in combat and were at 65%, healer picked you up to full, then you get hit down to 45% and because your health is under half you instinctively press your healing button. The difference between these values is 20%, divided by half means you now get the minimum healing value of 10%

Even though it appears you just took a hit for 65% and hit the button expecting 30% max hp heal

They should change it to 50% of the damage taken instead of 50% of the difference between damage taken and healing received if they want it to feel impactful/rewarding to use at low health or after a big hit like Death Strike in WoW

[fringe apex]

Is there a stat priority for rogues?

[timid citrus]

Any bard specialist here? I would like to ask for some build advices if there is any please lmk or dm me

[mint slate]

idk about specialist but i main a bard and your free message me your questions and ill answer what i can

[mint slate]

not disagreeing with what your saying but tested with solo tank so 0 healing recieved and hit sklill after a big hit and still only does 10% so the health 4 seconds ago, healing recieved, damage taken etc all dont matter

[faint pelican]

I'm also a solo tank, I was testing this out yesterday as well. the damage amount hit didn't matter at all, it was always the same healed amount of 10%. I also tried to use a healing potion after big damage then self healed and it was still 10%

[neat hatch]

It's probably bugged. But also I do not think potions actually count as healing received

[torpid ivy]

question for the rangers, how much/when are you weaving auto attack finishers in to the rotation to boost focus?

[little yacht]

never

[dreamy edge]

what equip bis for fighter ?

[devout aurora]

Petalshard set and Rosarium

[tulip inlet]

best weapon?

[dreamy edge]

how about weapon ?

[devout aurora]

Glorybound pretty solid for pvp

[dreamy edge]

how about pve ?

[devout aurora]

Nightreaver

[dreamy edge]

thank you

[mental nimbus]

what lvl is the final skilll tree tiers unlockable? and how much cast time does the pyromania talent reduce the cast time on magma field

for mage

[fringe burrow]

I'm solo levelling my rogue, and I'm prioritizing power, strength and dex while wearing heavy armor. Hitting harder and faster while taking the least damage seems to be working so far(level 15 100% solo).

[red horizon]

whatd be the most effective/fun class if i wanted to hunt bots all day

[meager shuttle]

rogue

[odd crag]

I would say ranger tbh, ranger stealth is less prohibitive at low levels, rogue stealth requires smoke bomb unlock before you can do it within 15m of an enemy

[meager shuttle]

so? who cares about lower lvls lol

[high matrix]

Go mage and just melt them. Doubt they are going magic resist

[odd crag]

because nobody is spending time lvling an alt to kill bots when you can do it just fine at lv 5

its a throwaway to not care about corruption

[meager shuttle]

if its at lvl 5 it literally does not matter

[odd crag]

if you want to keep loot stealth helps

[devout aurora]

Most bots will have pvp protection wont they?

[odd crag]

whats your point

some dont

some even flag up when you hit them and you dont have to go corrupt its great

[versed viper]

This is the answer. Everyone is going heavy armor lots of phys resist right now. Few people have much magic resist. Play a mage in heavy armor with magic power/HP stats and blow everyone up

[odd crag]

If you think bots are going anything at all you're delulu

[elder stream]

Looking for abit of advice. I've played Cleric/Bard for the last two phase. Just started this phase, started with Summoner. I enjoy healing/support/dps, is summoner overpopulated and has it just become a pure dps? Or is it capable of healing/supporting

[glad cloak]

Summoner is basically a heal bot, the pets suck or have bad ai. Fighting in water is not an option. Etc.

[high matrix]

Well it was the last class put in

[glad cloak]

Easiest solo class I think. But there’s a billion inconveniences

[elder stream]

This sounds like a cleric angle

[elder stream]

My pet just keep disappearing, is this what you meant? I'm about bin summoner

[mental thorn]

If you are a Summoner and enjoy the class despite the work it needs, please /bug archetype > Brief Description > Killing Pet does not Corrupt players. Select Summoner sub-type, and fill in the report details if you didn't know that was a thing already. It is currently intended per Intrepid, and that has to change IMO. Killing a mount corrupts you; killing a Summoner pet is much more vital to the Summoner than their Mount is. Go comment on the Forums as well or the class is unviable as far as I'm concerned. I've known this was a thing for a while, but kept waiting for them to fix it. At this point, we need to /bug this as an archetype to get them to take action. Being able to kill a Summoner pet without Corrupting is nearly equivalent to having a Summoner just lack PvP protection in its entirety as it currently exists. You can't safely heal for your party if you are on the Mystic; it's as if anyone contesting you for a spot could Flag and kill your Cleric without Corrupting. You can't Tank either, nor can you solo. Needs to be fixed ASAP.

https://forums.ashesofcreation.com/discussion/70059/summoner-pvp-killing-pet-must-corrupt-players?utm_source=community-share

[devout aurora]

Lol worst idea ever

[fringe burrow]

What is a summoner without their pet? Pet is half the damage, and all the healing output. Ganking the pet should flag them, otherwise a petless summoner is dead meat in pve/pvp.

[devout aurora]

Corrupting them for being smart... is that the solution? Sounds stupid af

Its still alpha and summoner just got released

[chrome bluff]

Does elemental weapon from mages no longer count as elemental empowerment for other mages? or is that a bug

[sly quiver]

Is it smart to kill a mount so they can't run away? Yes, but that corrupts you

[umbral wing]

whats a good entry level and easily onbtainable radiant set for a fresh 25 tank to start my journey into "end game" group farming

[dark robin]

any of the starter plates

moltruin/sunbastion/greathollow

a full set of common radiant gear is worth it when you first hit 20

[exotic raptor]

wish it didn't

this would remove all the stupid ways to go corrupt. "let me summon this 300hp horse" wink wink

[sly quiver]

Yes, albeit a separate issue from the summoner pet thing

[exotic raptor]

you used it to say thats why the summoners pet should make someone go corrupt. I would say neither should corrupt you.

a summoner is fully able to fight someone that flags to attack their pet. I see no reason that killing the pet even if it is much of the summoners attack power should corrupt. Taking someone down to 100hp also does not corrupt but would make it to where that person can not fight back.

[sly quiver]

I would read Tuck's post that goes over more detail. I think it's pretty annoying to just have someone kill your pet over and over and just run away.

[exotic raptor]

this would be used the same way as the horse. Summoner would have their pet low hp and put it in a spot to get hit by an aoe. boom corrupt

if they continue to do it then that is harassment which is against TOS

[sly quiver]

Like killing your mount over and over would get pretty annoying

[sly quiver]

I do share the same concern about this

[exotic raptor]

same thing. If done with purpose okay. If done repeatedly for no purpose other than to make the other person have a bad day then it is harrassment

[odd granite]

pretty bad when it's the guardian. If you have that out and it braces, it will flag you as well

meaning everyone, since summoner generally flops in fights, can easily get griefed if they're trying to solo farm or do something with a guardian

[scenic carbon]

Has Intrepid spoke on any upcoming fixes/changes, possibly a roadmap for summoner? Trying to PVP when the pet constantly despawns really hinders the class. Especially during naval pvp - the pet usually just falls to water and becomes useless.

[mint slate]

Nothing has been directly mentioned and i personally feel pets and navel content gunna be hard to make work well but Q1 this year is meant to involve a all classes rebalance so summoners should get some changes here but what that will include is currently unknown

[barren sapphire]

if a guild is currently glitching a mob and exploiting it, is there someone i can ping right now about it, on the dev/gm team?

[mint slate]

either in game bug report and tick exploit box or make ticket to customer service

!cs

[hoary osprey]

Include more keywords after this command to search for answers to some of our FAQ (ex. !cs password reset), or open a Customer Support ticket directly here if you are having account or technical issues: https://support.ashesofcreation.com/hc/en-us/requests/new

[fossil timber]

Yeah the game keeps shutting down on me, just disappears. Worked fine yesterday.

[fringe burrow]

i've crashed to desktop twice in last few minutes, both times in middle of combat. Joeva area

best adept melee dps food? any thoughts?

[twin jackal]

What accessories or accessory combinations do tanks go for at 25?
I'm undecided if i want like Rootbound necklace + 2 piece petalshard rings / earrings and then more defensive based rings or earrings.

What about weapon & shield?

[latent agate]

Is there any way to get ahold of this recipe? I assumed it was GM Tailoring but it doesn't appear that way...

[ionic plume]

I was followed around by a max level geared ranger as an 18 summoner.. he just kept murdering my pet with no consequences.. how am I supposed to fight that?

[exotic raptor]

sounds like you should report him for harrassment

[odd crag]

You're not supposed to fight that as any class, you would die no matter what you are.

If you were also max level and geared you would be expected to fight back

If you're sub 20, it's no different from being level 10. Gg gearing system.

[forest fern]

or dont be a pussy, its a pvp game, if hes there being a douchebag call your guildies or friends in to come push him out. this is an MMO, utilize social tools and aspects, pvp happens and people act stupid, you can react completely within limits of the game and either get him to corrupt or pvp flag extremely easy

[odd crag]

He has to pvp flag to attack the pet in the first place

[forest fern]

exactly

[odd crag]

Realistically the answer is just go do something else

[forest fern]

dont have to jump to reporting for harassment when hes baiting you to pvp, hes looking for content, give some to him, hit up the homies and have some friends come run him down, before you know it you are pvping and having fun while doing content in a game

[odd crag]

Some people are assholes and they are going to be asssholes

That's also part of pvp mmos

[forest fern]

or that, you can fight it back or leave the area, alot of times that is what players are doing they are trying to get you to fight, or back off, you can do either of those options quite easily

[odd crag]

Personally think the gearing system is steaming dog shit and a lvl 10 being the same as a lvl 19 is stupid as heck but that's how it is right now

Theres some level suppression shit going on in there but not enough to make up the power spike differences between adept and radiant

[mental thorn]

reading comprehension F...again, someone can flag and kill your pet, negating your ability to play your class. If you are on the mystic and they do this and nuke it, it is practically dead before you can swap to it and heal. No, you do not have a realistic proper way to "fight back" pet is dead before you can do shit, and if you are healing for your group, that's a wipe. Pet corruption argument is bad, that is a settings issue. AoE shouldn't affect it, they have to flag and target directly.

With the way fighting for spots goes in this game, if this doesn't change, class is not viable

[odd crag]

Ngl this is a bad faith argument based on the idea the summoner has to win for it to be viable

Are you trying to win a pvp fight or do you just want to be able to make people corrupt without dying yourself?

You can't say the class isn't viable just because they kill your pet. That's 100% damage mitigation. That pet just saved your life once.

If that damage was on you instead, you would be dead.

[fringe apex]

How’s tank in pvp, can they 1v1 worth a crap?

[mental thorn]

Do you have any idea what a bad-faith argument is? That's not true at all in this case lol. The pet is not "saving you" either. What are you yapping about? Yes, the class is not viable if they can kill your pet without fear of reprisal, which they can; if your pet is tanking, an enemy group can open and nuke the pet, at which point the mobs then all go to the players. Do you fight all the mobs and the players? In an alternative scenario, you are healing. Again, a Rogue can backstab your mystic, kill it, then bail and you have no realistic recourse; your party is now wiping as what was essentially the healer is dead. If you are healing for the party or are soloing, they just wiped your healer and you can do nothing. If they killed your mount, they go red. A pet,, is much more integral to the class than a mount. That is not a bad-faith argument or even addressing winning at PvP, it's addressing a huge imbalance for the class that puts them at a severe disadvantage in any engagement of this type, which happens all the time in Ashes when groups or players vie for a position.

[odd crag]

You're just proving my point. You're only arguing from the perspective where you have to come out on top in every scenario. That's bad faith.

[mental thorn]

No it is not, it is arguing for equal footing

[odd crag]

No class can win every fight 😂

You want players to be punished just for countering you. You're insane.

[mental thorn]

Who said anything about winning, you just need equal footing. How is a pet that is far more vital than a mount and key to a classes abiltiies and roles not worthy of the same pvp protection your mount is?

[fringe burrow]

magic shortbow or longbow for bard dps? book/codex is very unimpressive at lvl 15

[odd crag]

Making players go corrupt because they killed your pet is not equal footing.

You are absolutely delusional.

While we're at it, rogues should go corrupt every time they go stealth, and let's make tanks go corrupt when they block with their shields. Oh and healers should go corrupt when they revive people.

[mental thorn]

Ah yeah, players can totally just dive into a group and kill your cleric without going corrupt, right? Or your mount?

[mental thorn]

Alright this is just obvious low IQ ragebait what a clown, see yourself to arena of words

[hollow mauve]

Bro talks about bad faith arguments and absolutely floods the chat with them

[odd crag]

You want to know the difference? If they kill the cleric, THE CLERIC IS DEAD.

[mental thorn]

and they corrupt, moron

they removed the groups healer and now they are corrupt

see how that works?

[odd crag]

If you kill a summoner pet, the summoner is not dead.

Wrong reply

My b

[mental thorn]

Their role for the group is

[odd crag]

Until they summon a pet again bro

[mental thorn]

in one minute and 1/3 of their bar of mana

that's more than enough to wipe a group

[odd crag]

So you just want to be a better healer than the class that is meant to be the best healer, but you also want to be a better tank than the class that is meant to be the best tank

Because you want to be able to do all of that under threat of making other players go corrupt if they fight you

Without even dying yourself

[mental thorn]

Didn't say that, also, nice example of an actual bad faith argument. A summoner's role is toolbox but if they can take that away from you at any point with no real downside the class is effectively dead.

[fringe burrow]

lol, finally had to put that idiot on /block

[mental thorn]

Nope never said that, learn how PvP settings work turd

[odd crag]

Your argument about the pvp settings is stupid because you're effectively just saying you want your pet to not be able to die without making someone corrupt

[odd crag]

And no that was called sarcasm and not meant to be taken seriously.

Not the same thing.

[odd crag]

And there is absolutely a downside to taking down a summoners pet, they have to burn cooldowns and mana to do damage to something that isn't even a player. Resources are spent on reducing your effectiveness temporarily that could have been spent killing you instead.

And in exchange for that 100% damage mitigation you want them to go corrupt on top of that

What's even funnier about this is the implication that you don't even want to fight back if they aren't corrupted by your pet first

Because if you did fight back before your pet died, then it would have a flag and not corrupt them; so your argument that it should do so is moot

[silver flower]

Fix: give the summoner a berserker mode when someone kills the pet 🙂

[weary pumice]

Someone coming along and killing the tanking pet is no different than someone doing a bunch of damage to a tank player and letting the NPC kill the tank. Hell, throw in another class to silence the healer or healing pet and it's still no different. The other people still have to flag up to attack. Making the pet cause corruption isn't going to solve anything.

[odd crag]

He just wants to be able to do everything they can do but with no personal risk to himself

Which would make summoner the meta for every role in the game

And won't engage in pvp unless he can corrupt someone without dying before he fights back at all

This is why I called it bad faith, he doesn't want balance and his claims to want an "equal footing" are clear bullshit

He wants to be superior

[silver flower]

Truth is summoner sucks needs a lot of work/love. I think summoner should be a DPS class that can occasionally off heal/tank

[odd crag]

That's what it already is

Could it be stronger? Maybe I can't speak to that

But your pet dying should not make someone corrupt

Arguing that it should is ridiculous

[silver flower]

yep

[odd granite]

nobody does that unless it's the guardian, summoner HP is already incredibly low, and unless y'all have ridiculously long cooldowns on your spells, it doesn't have that much impact in PvP. In proper PvP, most people will just pop the summoner anyhow to kill 2 birds with one stone.

[odd crag]

I never said it was the best tactic

That's not what the argument is about

[weary pumice]

I'm not for or against it. I just don't think it will change anything at all. If there was a change and killing the pet caused corruption, then the easy answer is just bring the tank pet down to 5% hp and silence/dance the healer. NPC kills the group and you're not corrupt. If they fight back, they flag, then just kill the group without going corrupt.

[odd crag]

The difference is if you do that to a tank, the tank is gone from the fight. The cleric has to burn a revive cooldown if they want him back. If you do it to a summoner pet, the summoner is still there and the pet comes back if you can't wipe them fast enough and the cleric keeps his revive for when a real player goes down.

[mental thorn]

In that scenario, you have way more time to respond, and you can't CC non-combatants either if they had the same protection, so cc'ing the Mystic wouldn't work. This is part of the issue with the pets, they don't have that same protection a normal healer would in these situations, or a tank. They can't do what you just described to a cleric or bard or anyone else in your party. Also, if they misplay in that scenario they go red, so they have to be much more cautious with opening and guaging health. As things stand, they can simply fully nuke the pet with very little downside.

[weary pumice]

Isn't pvp protection only for under level 11? None of that matters for a group past that level.

[odd crag]

Pets shouldn't have the same protections a player has though. They're not players. They aren't meant to be as strong as a whole player archetype by themselves.

[odd granite]

it's not that simple, the summoner has a long animation to call back the pet, and it costs a massive amount of mana. If they're also in combat, it takes an entire minute cooldown to bring them back

[odd crag]

The risk of going corrupt is part of the protections a player has and there is no good reason that should extend to an NPC

[mental thorn]

No, that's incorrect, because if it was a Rogue they couldn't kill your Cleric without going red. They could flag harass and dip, but if they actually kill the healer mid-pull they build blight. No such protection for pets. Imagine if anyone could nuke your mount anytime as a rogue then stealth away.

[odd granite]

meaning that unless they can escape, they're dead in the water.

[odd crag]

And before you make the mount argument again, I think the whole community is in agreement that mounts also shouldn't make people corrupt

[mental thorn]

Precisely, and depening on your role, that is a group wipe.

[odd granite]

eeeyup

[mental thorn]

Any rogue can pull it off for free.

[odd granite]

way too easy to grief summoners atm.

[odd crag]

It's easy to grief any class

The whole system is dog

[odd granite]

out of all of the classes, summoner is honestly the easiest to grief, and has the least amount of reprecussions because they can't bounce back as easily as other classes.

[mental thorn]

When I reference it in this sense, I mean as in you can't be PvP'd without a downside. If someone flags to attack you, if you don't flag back and they kill you, they corrupt. In a group setting, they kill your healer, they corrupt. They can't cc non-combatants either, so a normal healer can heal through. With the mystic pet, a rogue from the shadows or out of reach height can nuke your pet or silence it to wipe your grp mid-pull. This effectively makes the class dead in many situations in PvE.

[weary pumice]

You can cause the cleric to burn mana, or silence them, or as a bard make them dance for 10 seconds. In that time the tank (any tank) could die and the results are the same. If the goal is to go around and fuck with people, then there will always be a way to get there.

[mental thorn]

Have you played recently?

[mental thorn]

there are always ways to fuck with people, sure, but some things apply differently and currently Summoner is at an extreme disadvantage in the meta

Players have far more agency, cooldowns to burn, etc

[odd crag]

And free corruption for an NPC dying is not a solution

[mental thorn]

A lot of things you described aren't realistic and can no longer be applied to non-combatants.

There is no, "free" corruption, no more than there is if someone kills your mount and corrupts for it.

[odd crag]

My mount isn't tanking enemies or healing people either

[mental thorn]

Quite simply, if killing a mount corrupts you, there is no reason for a pet to not do so as well.

[odd crag]

And I also don't think mounts should corrupt people when they die, it's being abused to fuck and everyone hates it

[mental thorn]

That is a settings issue and you are bad at the game.

[odd crag]

Literally never happened to me but okay man

Your combatant pet should be excluded as a combatant because mounts are

Sure thing

[odd granite]

if my pet is considered a 'combatant' pet, it should at least play the damn part.

[odd crag]

If you're saying make pets stronger then sure why not

If you're saying it should have the same protections as a human player, I will never agree

[odd granite]

I'd say remove all the other stops on it. Allow summons to be spawn instantly and reduce their mana cost heavily.

no other class has to deal with this sort of BS.

[mild elbow]

summoner pet is a skill, its not a mount

[odd granite]

than it should act the part. Currently, the summoner lives or dies by it, because the summoner:
-Lacks enough survivability on their own to make headway
-Lacks enough escape tools to be able to be fine from griefing
-Leans heavily on the pet.

the pet already has a massive amount of costs on it to make it pretty damn expensive. It's got a full minute cooldown if it dies in combat, it's got roughly 400-500 mana cost, which is basically a fat chunk, and takes a long animation to spawn one.

by all intents and purposes, they're clearly making the pet act more like a player in terms of priority by all of these hindrances.

[mild elbow]

Well you got 3 different summons.
Either remove the long animation or reduce the cooldown once it dies, or bump the summon HP.

Having 50% dmg transfered to summon is a big advantage of the class.

[odd granite]

50? It's 25% if they decide to go into the skill, which is nice, but it doesn't make up for the survivability of others (temporary HP, lifesteal, escapes, etc.)

[jaunty goblet]

Whats the best adept gear for summoner?

[native gulch]

How do stats work for summons, do they get what I get etc

[odd granite]

main stats, at least on the pet system, is Magic Power, Healing Power (mystic and the heal pet ability) Health, and the claim that your armor also has an effect on their mitigation stats, but I dunno if that's legit or not.

[sinful bluff]

seems like it ive seen tank pets with 13k hp so far 😛

[twin jackal]

What accessories or accessory combinations do tanks go for at 25?
I'm undecided if i want like Rootbound necklace + 2 piece petalshard rings / earrings and then more defensive based rings or earrings.

[balmy cradle]

Depends what I’m doing but if my heals can keep me up I use dps gear over tank gear with 2hander

Most shit u can dodge out the way before it hits you, but if u doing massive pulls or a raid might want to switch to defensive gear

[granite saddle]

Buff fighter

[edgy wraith]

Intrepid....Please make a skill point that allows Soul Flare to target off of the caster instead of the summons. PLEASE!!

[winter plover]

Is Anchorite Stole IG? Cleric chest pieces are a nightmare.

[zealous hare]

ive only really played a rogue and a tank and want to try somethign new and decided on either a fighter or a mage. how do the two compare/play??

[jovial timber]

Summoner, I water fights. Our pets are half our abilities. The pets need to be able to function at least player speed in water.

[frozen saddle]

As rogue should I aim for a %str set bonus or a %con. I’m going to do a mix of rosarium and briarhold but undecided on which set I want 6 pieces of. Does rogue at endgame need that extra damage from 20% str or do I go beefy with 20%con

[elder belfry]

whats the best gear for a pvp fighter with max level?

[craggy grotto]

Yes

[flat shuttle]

Lots of different approaches. If you're smart about movement, positioning, and rotations then you can go force set and go in and out.
If you're new, a con set isn't a bad idea.

[fickle parrot]

As a ranger who plays solo, around level 15/16 - what can i do to be more mana sufficient. It seems like i have to rest after every 2 elite mobs. :/

[winter plover]

Buy food or scrolls that increase your mana pool/mana regen. Likewise accessories and gear. Or sitdown and eat rations.

[fickle parrot]

Wierd question maybe, but can clerics be turned into a paladin of some sort, with good dps 😄 ?

[exotic fable]

If your idea of paladin is running around with daggers

[fickle parrot]

i just like "some" heals, and then go pure dps. I dont care if thats daggers or not 😛

[dark robin]

Not yet. In the current state of Clerics, there are about 5 damaging abilities. Later releases, updates to skill/weapon tree, and the release of Cleric/X classes, will allow for a wider stylle of play. Right now, the best you can do is giga-max your MP, or try wacky builds like finding all gear/weapons/jewelry that give "+(X) WeaponDamage" modifiers. Those add damage to your auto attacks

the second option allows you to get a fast weapon like 2h sword and go giga bonk

[ionic plume]

You are making sure to use regen and improved regen as well as refreshing follow through?

[latent bay]

Can someone help me understand the idea behind the bard melody's channeling time? The buffs are active during the channeling and after it complete, and you can cast other things while it's channeling - so why have the channeling time at all?

[little yacht]

yes, with good gear

[rose flare]

what gear should a mage rock until lvl 20

[glad cloak]

Bard melodies have two “settings”. Counterpoint and crescendo. With crescendo, your melody has an increased effect that maxes out at 20s. So instead of a 10% damage aura it’s 15%. Counterpoint increases the duration of the melody buff. So if someone leaves your range they can keep the 10% damage buff. Or during that 20s window you play another melody. You could have 10% damage and 15% healing at the same time.

TLDR: counterpoint and crescendo interact with melody channel duration

[latent bay]

Ah, I see. Had to look higher up in the skill tree for those passives. Neat!

[waxen plank]

Counterpoint is the best since you can juggle mana and something else like dmg boost or healing at the same time

[noble ingot]

I think fighter needs to maintain momentum outside combat for just a little longer before it starts depleting. For example, if people out of range you with movement skills, momentum decays almost immediately. This momentum decay speed feels pretty unintuitive because I am staring at the person I just hit, yet my momentum depletes as I am actively in combat. I think a window of 10-15 seconds before it starts the decay would be more generous and help out fighter in neutral. Other than that, Stances need to have an actual impact and reason for me to switch off of Celerity. There is no reason to switch off celerity ever.

Also, please let Leap Strike target the surface of water like in ArcheAge with Behind Enemy Lines. There is no reason I should not be able to leap strike in the ocean.

[odd crag]

https://tenor.com/view/southpark-south-park-gif-8582449

[azure isle]

Might have been asked before, anyone ujsed lifestealing on rouge yet? No Grrandmaster leatherworking on my sever, so not able to test out siphon gear yet either.

[amber sparrow]

I tried the lifesteal food. So 6xx lifesteal is 25% chance for a 6% heal based of your damage. So avg. 1.5% you need ALOT of lifesteal for it to be worth it

[outer trail]

A bard can get you another 16.6666% on top of your 1.5% but everyone else wants mana instead...

[dark robin]

They're solid. Takes a little more practice than others, but can absolutely cc lock anyone with initial bursts

The issue is that, for really any class, pvp effectiveness is gear > class > skill

[odd granite]

Yeah, the gear gap is way too high atm.

[glad cloak]

Tanks are thugs or potatoes depending on how geared you are

[tacit mango]

Tanks are just rly strong in this game
And they do deal a lot of damage, yes.

[slim sable]

Fighter with one hand axe and focus compete DMG with 2h weapon?

[dark robin]

tank, imo

[tropic hull]

Yes, but there is no good enough axe+focus combinations to beat the nightreaver GA

[slim sable]

So it's an item problem okay thanks for the info 👍

[glad cloak]

[wild cloak]

[limpid prism]

If I am focusing on husbandry what skills should I focus on leveling up?

[odd crag]

Patience, Tolerance, Monotropism, Hunting

[sinful bluff]

tanks auto win basicly every 1v1 :p

[ivory estuary]

even vs Cleric and mages?

[sinful bluff]

yeah

[ivory estuary]

How Cleric have so much heal

[sinful bluff]

so do tanks

[ivory estuary]

Tanks have 2 heals unless i missing something

[sinful bluff]

2 heals that out heals all dps classes dmg :p

[ivory estuary]

dang

[sinful bluff]

classes not be balanced atm they get a tuninmg pass in next mmilestone apparently

[ivory estuary]

its a intressting take for sure. gonna be fun to se how nrs change

[signal quartz]

if you wanna talk broken look at summoner. a good summoner can 1v1 any class and itll never be close

healing pet can auto heal u for 200 a sec and cast heal and heals for 1.8-1.9k every 10 seconds

[dark robin]

kills pet
You were saying?

[dark robin]

The other piece is that tanks have giga mitigation. Heals may be outmatched by cleric, but the shields/mitigation make up for it. When you're only dealing 100 damage to the 7k HP tank...yeah, gl

[noble ingot]

if the fighter can stall and run the tank out of mana without dying first, fighter wins. if not, tank wins.

same with fighter v cleric

[sinful bluff]

i tend to find the only way fighter win atleast in last phase was u just run to the closest ocean kiling mobs to heal up off of then spawn manatee go to bottom of ocean kill his manatee and watch him drown

[rapid verge]

what would be the bis weapons for tank ?

[tender saffron]

Any suggestions on a good chest and legs piece for a 25 Bard in Rare Graveplate given on Lotharia the chest/leg pieces can't be made as there's no Jundark Master Smithy?

Cryptward, or maybe Seafoam, for some additional Mag resistance maybe?

Need to be sensible with pricing, can't afford crazy prices for a single armour piece. Any ideas on a good mix?

[storm umbra]

I'd say meadowborn if the mentality on it wasn't missing a number. I used greathollow legs until bloomwarden.

[dark robin]

I made this cheeky build. You can ignore the quality of the gear, but the general gearsets and weapons/jewelry are BiS for my style of tanking(being an HP potato)

https://ashescodex.com/builds/The-Ultimate-Giga-Tank-mkg3cdyw-bx21

[slim gull]

Do [1 point of Power] and [1 point of Phys Power] contribute the same damage to a physical attack? or does an underlying formula treat them differently?

[ashen star]

do bard abilities use mag power or power? it says 125% bludeon damage.. so is that power ?

[glad cloak]

One power is counted as one magical power, and one physical power. If you are a caster class the physical power doesn’t do anything. A % of the magical power (or power) also goes towards healing power.

Same deal for generic critical strike chance being for both. And also going towards healing critical strike chance at the same % penalty that healing crits and crit chance gets.

TLDR: power = magic power, basically same.

Some bard abilities like cathartic ressonance damage counts as physical bleed damage. But the scaling of that damage is still going off of your magical power rating. Same thing for if you are using a longbow - it’s dealing physical damage, but scales off of your magical power.

I think there are some bugs though where like the weapon talents for bleed on a great sword are still scaling off of physical power for magic weapons but I’m not 100% sure on those.

Bard specifically has a lot of niche bugs, abilities that don’t scale with haste, or are affected by generic game-wide rules with immunities to debuffs.

[exotic slate]

I'm looking for suggestions on lvl 25 Summoner gear sets. I'm looking at 5 Sandbastion, not SUNbastion, and 3 Cog. Not sure which pieces, or if there's a better combo or a single set I should focus on.

[dark robin]

Weapons

• this is easily the most confusing part: your auto attack damage is based on your class: magical or physical.
• cleric, mage, summoner, and bard, are all magic based classes
• when you hover over your weapon in the bottom left of your screen, it'll show you your auto attack breakdown(i.e. " hit 1, 45% arcane damage, hit 2, 75% arcane damage", etc). This description is your WEAPON DAMAGE TYPE, not what the damage is based off of
• What this means is that your scepter and wands deal arcane damage for auto attacks, meaning it'll do higher damage to heavy armor wearers because they have less magic defence. Your INT based axe or sword are going to show physical slashing damage, which is good against light armor wearers, because it's PHYSICAL and their defense is versus MAGIC. Understand?
• the biggest misconception is that your magic power and INT stats won't affect auto attacks for sword/spear/axe, etc, but that's NOT the case. The damage that they do SCALES with your total magic power stat. If that axe says "75% slashing damage" in the orange, physical text, color, that means it does 75% of your total magic power as PHYSICAL damage.

Hopefully that makes more sense.

[ashen star]

So does this scale off mag power or physical power it’s an ability not an auto attack

[stark badge]

New player here. I normally main a healer but I'm finding Cleric a bit heal skill heavy with not enough other interesting abilities thrown in the mix. The tank skillset seems cool but I'm wondering if you want to be a good tank, do you also have to be the kind of person that's making calls for the group on Discord?

[nocturne herald]

How are tanks at grinding 2 and 3 start mobs at 20+ with white/green radiant gear?
Do they have enough self sustain? I know clerics can do it, just slowly.
What about bards?

[dark robin]

Bard skill, so Magic Power

[tropic hull]

Wonder what object Object is

[winter plover]

🍆

[ionic plume]

If you are physical damage yes

[cold marten]

Seems like tanks are in high demand in my server, and how you play it all depends on who you are playing with. Tank is doing the pulling of mobs so somewhat controlling the speed and targets etc

[high matrix]

Cleric is iny the list for an update, it was one of the first classes out. Also it's going to be one of the first secondaries added so you can always rock it as a secondary or add it to the tank as a secondary. It's the only class that will be able to do the majority of healing regardless of secondaries so they didn't want to have no heals on the full heal class.

[dark robin]

They've also stated that X/Cleric will make your class have more self sustain, as opposed to additional team healing

[boreal lance]

What stats are best for a tank? From what I'm seeing it's mostly stack power with a few defensive items?

[ionic plume]

Health, power, fortitude set... Luckily it seems like a lot of the best dps gear atm is also super tank so win win for tanks

[elder belfry]

which gear would be good for a fighter lvl 20-25, or lets say new 25? greathollow or sunbastion? accoding to my research, rosarium is a good set but expensive for a new 25.

[lofty panther]

Seeing where? Lets be real honest here, everyone here is just flipping coins and acting like their knowledge is superior. The actual truth is, no body really knows. When you see people calling items "bis" they don't actually know. it's all assumptions.

We don't know hits caps, def break points, crit def break points, cc breakpoints, etc, we know NOTHING. Thus the "bis" argument is completely invalid and truth-be-told you just wear "what you think is best." The "stack power" argument is that your damage is not-so wet noodly, but i would imagine at some point we will find out that tanks NEED something like 20% crit damage reduction, 15% hit, at least 8k hp. Until that is known, you can wear whatever you want - how the game is currently designed.

Also note, any "guide" is garbage when they tell you to wear greatsword/bow. A physical spellbook is far superior to a bow as a tank. This proves my point, people simply DO NOT KNOW; blind following the blind.

[quick path]

damn i guess if that BiS got deleted that fast from this statement i might as well change this to a oh well statement

[cold echo]

example for fighter: most hits on my bro over the course of a night are crits. we speculate crit avoidance does nothing. usually any single fight will be like 60-100% crits on him. lower level mobs than him, too.

would not be surprised if hp is the only stat that has any effective use right now

[quick path]

ok so this guy doesnt know his shit. a gaint isnt 5 lvls below him cause its a triple up. its closer to same level most likely. and assuming this guy has 25%critical physical evasion thats not taking into the accuracy stats of the mob its self which could be high enough to void his evasion. lvls doesnt reduce the crit chance like it does damage.

Example:

Monster Base Crit: 40%

Star Tier Modifier for 3-star elite: ×2 → 80%

Player Crit Evasion 25% reduces → 80% * (1 – 0.25) = 60% final crit chance

That still results in very frequent crits, which matches your observation.

[cold echo]

nice ty. we absolutely dont know our shit cause we've never played this game before. none of this is explained on any wiki we can find

[quick path]

non of us have this is a test. ALOT of information is player farmed data thats been tested and shared over the last like 2 years everything keeps changing. and as they continue to roll stuff out it will continue to change.

[fickle parrot]

Best PVE DPS weapon for a Rogue?

[ionic plume]

Those are both fine. Lots of people run moltruin as well

[elder belfry]

thx. Is motruin also more expensive like rosarium?

[ionic plume]

No.. its ilvl 23 gear so its cheap. On lotharia i am starting to see common versions on the market for 1g or less

[elder belfry]

thx.

[compact ether]

Hey peeps! What’s considered the best split on power for clerics? Should I focus healing power or a split between MP and HP?

[dull portal]

answer is just it depends, in pvp you want MP for sure as well, pve i could see a basically full HP build being viable

[compact ether]

Heard, I think imma shoot for 200 HP and then just focus MP. See how that feels

[dull portal]

if u get 400 mp ur easily in 200 hp

[compact ether]

Good to know! I’ll prioritize big power boosts and see how it feels

[dry pollen]

Question I know they might drop combat pets all together but I’m assuming summoner will be able to have one as well?

[edgy wraith]

If they keep combat pets summoner would be able to have one also.

[fickle parrot]

i kinda wanna try some high phys daggers on my rogue 😮

[odd granite]

hope not, the entire concept of combat pets sounds intriguing, a system where you sacrifice your damage output and toughness for a super minion while you're trying to stay alive and as well as they are sounds interesting. Though I don't think Summoner would work well with it because they already gotta micro manage one, and that has shown to be a bit of a flop.

[twilit lotus]

that concept is basically all i remember from original WoW Hunter, which is a hell of a lot less of an abomination than the Ranger is in its current state.

[junior egret]

With Ranger/Mage being the only 2 "pure" DPS classes, I wouldn't want 1/2 turning into a pet class. Ranger needs something for sure, a limited duration summons could work. Maybe one for each mark: Raven diving in to blind, Bear or Tiger could trip or debuff. Or nature element type (wind/water/etc) that's "summoned" like mine vine. Anything that would allow a Ranger work toward some kind of defense would be nice.

[twilit lotus]

Ranger lacks an identity it seems. The "type" is what I enjoy playing across every mmo and this one feels off. Rogues and Fighters as dps have some kind of heal, stun and burst movement. I hate being a complainer but it's a very grass is greener on the other side of the fence kind of situation currently, and has been since the last phase as well.

[fringe burrow]

anyone know any decent areas to solo farm radiant heavy physical armor? Tried the Najash in desert, all they seemed to drop was medium stuff.

[robust stag]

IMO mage is a real pain unless you're in a group for PvE. I do love it in PvP though - people have very little magic def and if you position nicely, you can do shitloads of damage before they realise. if they get on you though... ouch.

[scenic sparrow]

anyone having issue with ranger traps sometimes enemy just hover over them?

[odd granite]

yeah, WoW hunter was fun, even if it was more of a casual/support class, it still had it's merits in WoW, being a solid off-tank or coming in clutch as a peeler for mages.

[dark robin]

Whatever class can replicate the Brewmaster Monk will have me playing it as my main IMMEDIATELY

Side note:

I've been loving leveling my summoner alt up. It's level 15 now, but I feel like there's so much still to learn with the kit!

@ Summoner players:

• Does anyone have any pro-tips for summoner? Anything from skill combos, to dps/heal tricks, to gear theory crafting?

[ionic plume]

So gear matters a lot depending on the play style you want.. its pretty straightforward for the most part.. healing play wants healing power, dps play wants power/mag power.. but for tanking you want LIGHT armor with con/max health/fortitude set (like the dustwhisper set) because you have a talent that converts tour magic defense to your pets physical defense..

But tbh.. biggest pro tip would maybe wait till they fix alot of the bugs for the pets.. IE there is a major one right now with the Mystic that depending on what server worker you summon your Mystic in it will lose about 1/3 of its healing output

[upper bough]

Any good pvp bards around right now

[tired ingot]

id cut out the "depending on the playstyle" and just leave it as "gear matters" lol

[ionic plume]

Well I mean like if you want to be a healing summoner... And you follow the general "bis" list your heals are gonna be shit because no healing power
.. that kinda "depending on the playstyle" thing

Reinforcing the think for yourself mentality and dont swear by a video/list some 'influencer' made for clicks