alpha-two-archetype-chat

[inner violet]

idk how i'm 'wrong' when this is all opinion lmfao. Their opinion is just the one that actually matters. I do think they should make it function like ranger's camo, but without the cooldown, and with a higher perception level required to break. In which case they also need to remove the 20% move speed penalty.

[mint slate]

i think once its broken or damage taken it does need a cooldown otherwise it defeats any point fighting a rogue

[inner violet]

I haven't played rogue myself, but from what I've seen watching videos of people playing them they have to break line of sight to go back into stealth.

I think if they do put a CD on it, they'd have to take off that mechanic. Ranger doesn't have to do that, but has the long cooldown.

[radiant epoch]

To be fair if rogue's enemies are to close they should NOT be able to hide again. A rogue shouldn't be able to go stealth in front of anyone. A distance factor seems reasonable to me and no CD

[mint slate]

ive seen many rogues activate stealth in direct and close line of sight and if you dont track them pixel perfect they gone.. i dont ming rogue having stealth and sneaking up to get jump on you for first strike they are ambush predator class, they have multiple skills for maneuver around you to get behind you for backstab bonus i dont think they should be able to do as i have witnessed many times as soon as they look like losing a fight they stealth and run

[mint slate]

this would still upset every rogue but would be a possible answer, i dont mind the ambush tactic its rogue identity but they shouldnt have a free out every time they not winning thats the part i have issue is the excape with stealth being how they doing that

[inner violet]

not to 'WoWify' it but the best fix may be to make stealth no cooldown but only useable if you haven't been hit for X time and give them a skill like vanish on a long cooldown to get back into stealth once for emergencies

[mint slate]

this would be a viable answer

[stiff patio]

Summoner pet toolbar still borked

[inner violet]

Its actually worse than it was lmfao. Mine is locked to the hunter pet which I don't even have at the moment lmfao

[mint slate]

it is, known issue and they got people looking at it but its also christmas break so prob wont see full solution till after new year

[stiff patio]

great

[inner violet]

For now you can press K to open the skill book and manually slot the correct skills onto the pet bar or your own hot bar

[stiff patio]

thanx did not know that

[exotic raptor]

okay guys if you dont know how the class or skill works please learn before saying something like this. This is already how it works. You have to be a certain distance away from anything (mob or player) or break line of sight to stealth

[exotic raptor]

Again learn the class and skills. It does go on cooldown when it is broken by damage. The only recovery to this is if you have a smoke bomb to restealth.

This is not true at all. Stealth is not a "I'm free to do whatever I want button" Level disparities and line of sight can see through stealth

[exotic raptor]

......................

[mint slate]

well the rogue white knight spotted

sorry your class was nerfed

[exotic raptor]

Nothing white knight about it. I've put in bug reports about stealth not breaking with gathering. It was a good change and not a nerf.

The rest of this is people that dont know the class or skills making assumptions based on poor information.

[inner violet]

I'm coming at it from the lens of ranger camo, which caught the same change intentionally or not. It feels weird that I can't get off a gather in stealth, but I can cast snipe. Granted when we do it, there's a one minute cooldown.

At least there's supposed to be I think. Most of the time unless you break camo with combat you can use it again even if its visually on cooldown.

[exotic raptor]

Yeah it is weird that you can snipe but not gather. Rogue stealth can be recast as long as you are still stealth (we have a timer on ours, not sure if you do or not) if stealth breaks for whatever reason (we get hit or start combat) then we have a cool down before being able to go back into stealth unless we use smoke bomb which resets the cooldown and breaks line of sight to restealth.

our recast also helps us build advantage (needed for skills) before a fight

[inner violet]

I think ranger's camo isn't functioning properly based on the tooltip. We aren't supposed to have that window of time to re-enter camo.

I'ma put together a bug report about it I suppose

[exotic raptor]

damn you dont even get speed reduction huh

feels bad

[inner violet]

This is one of the reasons I've been like what does everyone MEAN rogue stealth is broken lol. I guess yours works a lot differently in general though

[dark robin]

Cleric remains the OP dark horse that avoids all nerf bats

…though we do have a few annoying bugs that are pretty egregious and been there since day 1 phase 1

Wings of Salvation still the coolest skill in game

Condemn -> Divine Flare -> Judgment -> Smite = PvP wombo combo

Any weapon that causes shaken status means judgement heals u too. It’s gucci

[balmy jetty]

Do people ever prioritize mag speed??

Seems like most are using books

[inner violet]

I think its just because books chain to 3 mobs so they give you easy aoe

[dark robin]

I use books on clerics all the time
Books + scepter/focus = mag speed and heal crits

[inner violet]

Thats my setup on summoner

[dark robin]

Frankly, people just don’t have a fkng clue/don’t pay attention to what other stats do
It’s power>all

[inner violet]

admittedly i'm looking into swapping my melee to greatsword but its the same stats. Just less gear to replace than scepter/focus

and I don't need that shaken status

[balmy jetty]

I was looking into mag daggers or shortbow..just quickly checking because they give speed and that seems nice

[dark robin]

Different strokes, but also what does the weapon combos do for your class? Book is great for the burning on my cleric, etc.

[inner violet]

shortbow is awesome for single target, I use it on my ranger

[balmy jetty]

I just can’t find a good resource on how the speed # translate to gameplay

[dark robin]

You can hover over it in your “C” menu. It makes your spell casts faster

[inner violet]

you can think of it like haste in other games I believe, I've noticed the cast time adjusts on the tooltips so you can kinda see what you're getting.

Unsure if it affects the tick speed on hots or dots though if anyone has knowledge there

[dark robin]

Cleric has some long ass spell casts(tho divine infusion does help)

[balmy jetty]

Another dumb question probably but if you have speed your melee weapon do you get the speed while using a book?

[dark robin]

Shortbow is good, though, if you run builds like bard that have skills that act off ‘finishers’, because you’ll want to have more finishers more quickly

[dark robin]

All weapons are just stat sticks, only thing that changes with weapon swap is finishers and weapon combo

[balmy jetty]

I am using mage. At lvl 10 1/2. finally made some G so debating weapons. I had the Wanderer sceptar that I can’t repair

[inner violet]

My big glaring question right now is how our character's stats translate to our summoner pet's stats if they do at all.

[balmy jetty]

And I made a Wayward Spellbook or something that been okay. But the sceptar I have is like -200 of what I had.

Debating longbow, shortbow, wand, spellbook.. seems like people like Longbow for mage

[balmy jetty]

So your speed is the same if your melee has it while you’re casting with your ranged

[dark robin]

As a mage, your melee weapon is ‘meh;, because you’re way too goddamned squishy to use melee. If you need aoe, use your spells. For weapons, go with wand/focus + 2h weapon melee with most power. Wand has great elemental bonus that can stack chilled/volatile/etc for your spell combos

[dark robin]

All gear, including weapons, go into your total stat pool. The tooltip on weapons are just showing you what that weapon provides, but swapping weapons doesn’t reduce your total power or anything. Only thing that changes with weapon swap are weapon combos/weapon skills

[balmy jetty]

Yeah.. I’m mostly thinking stats. Looking on AOC planner looks like daggers have the best speed at this level. So that’s what I was kind of wondering. Seems like just going most stats two hander is best

[dark robin]

That said, certain weapons attack faster than other(you’ll usually see their power reflected I that, like swords have lower power than a scepter/mace)

[balmy jetty]

Ah okay.

[dark robin]

Again, speed is great if you’re trying to stack weapon finishers for some reason. That said, I try to match my weapon’s final tree combos with my class, I.e. book/wand can cause burning allowing me to use smite for conflagration

It’s an integral part of my combo

Or how the spell Judgement heals the caster if the enemy has shaken, but clerics have no innate way to debuff with shaken, so finding a weapon that causes it is ideal

[balmy jetty]

Great info!

[dark robin]

Any time!

[inner violet]

If I end up rolling a cleric in heavy armor I just want you to know its your fault lmfao

[dark robin]

I’m low-key cleric fanatic

[balmy jetty]

Smite is Cleric though right? I’m not seeing it anywhere on mage

[dark robin]

If you do, save all your zinc. Default available JM armorsmith gear “Graveplate” set is one of the only heavy in game with INT and healing power stats. Super duper fun. Can also add the magical spell shields whenever they release Cleric/Tank

Just remember that mag power increases healing power by a portion, but healing power doesn’t increase mag power. I say that because If u focus on ONLY healing power, your damaging spells will be ass

[dark robin]

Smite is cleric, yes, but a wand can also cause chilled. You can use this to throw the ice cone spell and setup a quick shatter combo

Lots of different ways to use it

[ornate sapphire]

Wand/book sets up basically whatever mage combo you want it to

All 3 have a combo

[dark robin]

Wand is slightly better for setting up elemental wombos, but book has perfect timing and echo which can be amazing if used with correct spells

Echo making lightning bolt hit twice is absolute mayhem

Or perfect timing on the elemental blast or lava spell

[ornate sapphire]

Yeah wand seems better on mage since you're inherently cleaving via elemental empowerment

[dark robin]

Mhm

I’m also an Arcane Engineer and sell adept weapons on my server, so this is lowkey social marketing scheme, lolol

[balmy jetty]

Shol? I’m shopping hard lol

I’m only lvl 10 but I’m just trying to not waste what little gold I have

I already have a spellbook that’s like 690 mag power that I can repair

I’m looking for a guide on what weapons exist now, hard to shop without know what there is to look for

Hard to tell what I can actually equip also

I think I have it figured it out. I can use up to but not including radiant. I think

[dark robin]

Correct

[dark ledge]

Guys. I am trying to decide if to main bard or mage. I do not have a group i run with. So I am casual and mostly solo.
Bard seems to have better sustain but much less damage. Am I right ?

[ionic plume]

Mage will have a hard time soloing effectively. Bard can solo very well and find a group is very easy.. so you'll find friends in game faster. Every group wants 1/2 bards

[torn mist]

It is not hard to solo as a mage

[ionic plume]

Bards can solo vastly more

[main escarp]

I can't see my jaunty bard hat on my character, even with show helmet on... I go solo now because I'm too ashamed to group up... sniff

[rough parcel]

Excuse me, where can I catch this?

[abstract stump]

break tanks and go on vacation

[torn mist]

That wasnt the question.

[untold patio]

I've mained bard in every phase in alpha two and I feel like a change of pace. Is rogue fun?

[drowsy sierra]

Guys for fighter is it better to use shortbow or longbow?

[untold patio]

Longbow will get finisher effects off more but short bow doesn't slow you while attacking as much

[meager shuttle]

generelly longbow but you can use shortbow to stack momentum faster

[inner violet]

Try #alpha-two-artisan-chat or #alpha-two-general

[drowsy sierra]

Does tank have any respectable dmg to solo/duo farm? or its pure meat for party play?

[opaque sparrow]

Tank is great for solo farm, atleast as much as ive played up to 10 on him, he can do respectable aoe dmg or focus on single target

[drowsy sierra]

Im thinking about swaping from fighter to tank for obv reason of party play, but idk if i will be able to solo with him as much as i could with fighter (got it to lvl 8)

[opaque sparrow]

ive had no issues with any of the classes solo, but i found thatr fighter was the one i had to rest the most on

[drowsy sierra]

Hmm sounds good then, gonna give it a go

[meager shuttle]

nowhere nearly as good as fighter but still fine and you will find grps in no time anyway

[drowsy sierra]

One more question, shield+longsword and longbow on scd is the way to go for tank?

or mby mace instead of longswrod?

[amber gorge]

do weapon choices even really matter for bard, as long as it gives mag dmg

[meager shuttle]

its all about the stats in the end, so it doesnt matter though shields have block rating so thats preffered

for pvp you want longbow as ranged tho

[meager shuttle]

not rly but as for ranged weapon shortbow or wand for pvp

[amber gorge]

TY

[drowsy sierra]

What about GS

does the shield will give me much tankyness?

[meager shuttle]

depends on the stats on the shield really

[drowsy sierra]

Im looking at early progression right now so i guess i will take the GS from the destiny rewards

purely for early dmg

[meager shuttle]

id do the same

[halcyon geyser]

hey guys, what is a better weapon for summoner, wand or spellbook and why? or some other ranged? I am levelling arcane engineering so I am biased to "magic" weapons 🙂

talk to the warehouse dealer in town, there are three tabs, one of them is for crates

no worries, you're welcome. Yeah, sometimes it shows, sometimes it doesn't sometimes I need to talk to all four clerks before even the basic warehouse window pops up

[dark ledge]

Can anyone please please explain how weapons affect your damage in this game.

For example as Bard I can use magic shortbow that has super fast rate of fire or spellbook that has real slow rate of fire. If both list same mag power , does it mean that shortbow does way more damage ? Mag power = damage per attack / faster attack more damage ?

Now lets take mage that says 100% damage added on finishers. 100% damage of what ? 100% of weapon ?
That would make weapons that shoot fast do less damage with finisher ?

This is all very confusing

[halcyon geyser]

I havent researched it, but all damage values are shown in % of power. If you open the character screen and open the magical dropdown it will show your actual Mag Power, it is a much smaller number than the power of the weapon, because the weapon power is converted by some formula. But my understanding is that this character sheet "Power" is then used in the damage calculations when the attack or skill description shows :150% damage dealt

This roughly tracks with my spellbook autos dealing around 60 damage when attacking and it says 60% damage, and I have 95 power on the character sheet

[dark ledge]

Hmmm

[dark ledge]

I will have to test this ...

[halcyon geyser]

mm... no idea tbh 🙂 I would wager you usually want to deliver those to your town of citizenship, in which case you can click N on keyboard to opent your town window and check buildings for that

[halcyon geyser]

yeah, do that 🙂 this is just my obesrvation, though I have not been paying close attention or anything

definitly never did the math on this lol

yeah, maybe?

sorry, I'm a fresh player as well so just hrowing things out there 😄

[mint slate]

many systems are unclear and complicated math which makes it more confusing, your attacks % is of the stat chown on character screen but the number in character screen is more an average of pieces combined as both weapons contibute to your power rating but work like an average so one weapons with 1000 mag power and one at 100 this will effect your power rating rather then 2 at 1000 if that makes sense, i know its complicated math and system and thats simpliest i can find to explain

[gloomy vine]

Did any summoners notice that the skill-changing issue when changing summons got worse after yesterdays update?

I used to be able to summon my desired pet twice and the 2nd time I would usually get the correct skills, sometimes having to dismiss then summon.

Today I am perma stuck on mystic skills, no matter how many times I resummon, dismiss, respec, ect.

I do know I can manually rebind that bar but I shouldn't have too.

And even worse, manually rebinding it keeps it locked to whatever I had it set to, so I'd have to change all 3 skills anytime I want to change pets

[sinful bluff]

ranger disengage and air strike should boost evasion like dodge does :p

[lilac zenith]

How is mage to play in ashes? I like my fighter but I’ve never really done a caster in mmos and they look flashy. Difficult to play?

[real talon]

I've heard mage is one of the easier ones

[little yacht]

you die in 2 hits currently

otherwise, definitely easier than fighter

[hazy wagon]

cant mages just wear medium intel armor though like rogues

So you get both def

[little yacht]

yeah rogues also die in 2 hits

[hazy wagon]

No they dont

[little yacht]

wtf are you doing outside of garbage extraction game discords btw

get back in the legacycord

[hazy wagon]

Im in full t1 adept with 25%pdr atm

Legacy is bad

[little yacht]

i've been with you all the way brother

rip dungeonborne etc

[hazy wagon]

😂

[little yacht]

fording my gron

25% pdr is very little in this game, you're right rogues are not as squishy because of their skills but mage is generally insta dead if they misuse blink

[hazy wagon]

Yeah im sure im just saying I had 14% or something in initiate stuff and I feel way tankier now even vs mobs

[little yacht]

phys classes have access to ashen haunt set early on which gives them a large hp boost

[hazy wagon]

Def makes a difference

[little yacht]

honestly phys classes are spoonfed in terms of gearing

hawk bow, fleshripper, ashen haunt

[hazy wagon]

What im saying is though I think light armor on mage is a trap and terrible

[little yacht]

I agree

light armour is dog for all classes

[hazy wagon]

If you have full adept medium at like lvl 11-15 mages can still take some hits but if youre getting hit as a mage gg anyways

But it depends cause mages do hit hard as well

[little yacht]

plate mage with a shield is sleeper

[hazy wagon]

Rangers probably give mages the hardest time atm I think maybe rogues too but if you have light armor vs a ranger you're just dead I think

I dont play mage so idk..rogue has a lot of cc and gap closers to mitigate more but yeah its still squishy

Hardest matchup on rogue for me atm has been tanks lol

[little yacht]

Yeah tank is a strong match against rogue

[hazy wagon]

Block block block block block dead

tbf its their immunities that are hard to deal with

[proud rampart]

bard is always ur answer

like bard sustain is just dumb...

[halcyon heron]

fighter wins all

[proud rampart]

im slowly getting like actual gear togehter, i just run around with the healing melody on and i hardly ever die.

[proud rampart]

-laughs in bard speed-

[halcyon heron]

-laughs in crit-

[proud rampart]

xD clearly never touched a bard in pvp

[halcyon heron]

clearly ive never died to a bard in pvp...

[proud rampart]

like 24 seconds of CC + movespeed + low gravit + 3 dashes.

[dark ledge]

I dont think they do a lot of damage over all. Certainly not big burst damage like mage,rogue etc... But the sustain is crazy. They autoheal like there is no tomorrow

[halcyon heron]

on a serious note..if you can micro manage all that while a fighter is in your face then good on you. most cant.

[proud rampart]

you should take some time and look at dps bards man. its scary

[halcyon heron]

i do more dmg on the fighter than backstab crits on the rogue lol they are insane

[dark ledge]

BTW I was more talking about PVE. In PVP solo I am happy with being able to run away fast 😄

[proud rampart]

rogue is in a bad way from what ive read

[halcyon heron]

its terrible unless you are playing it to gank a dude and then bounce...it plays like a rogue should i think.

fighter ill hard charge at anyone lol if you have a friend or 2 all the merrier

[dark ledge]

I mean rogue should not be able to take done fighter in fair fight. That would be bad design\

[halcyon heron]

if you surprise him and get a nice backstab crit you can easily kill anyone

[dim ivy]

id consider it bad design if an above averge player of any class cant solo an average player of any other class

[halcyon heron]

plus rogue should have fair fights. its not how you are suppose to play it lol so you cant really use "fair" as an assessment in any situation for a rogue.

shouldnt"

[hazy wagon]

Not at all

Rogue should be able to win if it outplays

Face to face damage trade? No

And rogue can beat fighter if it gets a solid opener

Tanks are way harder to fight as rogue than fighters

They're invincible

[coarse oak]

What are a good weapon choices for summoner? what I think is the disable power, what can be found on 2h magic axes and books

[dark ledge]

Not really. I mean if rogue gets very solid opener, and jumps a fighter 100% unprepared yes.
But if its 1 vs 1 fight like duel for example. or fighter expecting attack and ready for fight. And of course they are both matched skill levels. - Fighter should win

Otherwise its bad design. It would mean that Rogue > everything else.

Its supposed to be paper rock scissors : magic > fighter > rogue > magic ( for example )

[drowsy sierra]

Good weapons for cleric for pve/pvp?

[hazy wagon]

nah. still in a duel rogue starts from stealth anyways, so yes like i said if rogue gets an opener and outplays the rest of the fight, rogue should win

you think in a duel rogue runs into a fighters face? 😂

[dark ledge]

Not at all. But you think fighter should be helpless to a rogue ?

[hazy wagon]

didnt say that

i already said, if rogue gets the jump on fighter and outplays him, he should win

if rogue gets the jump and blows cooldowns or messes up, yes he should lose

[dark ledge]

Outplays being key word. A more skilled player should be able to win any matchup with less skilled player. But we are talking about same skill level

[hazy wagon]

I said outplayed a while back

[dark ledge]

But everyone can be outplayed. Bard can outplay rogue ... right ?

If rogue messes up his timing and his cooldowns are blown.

[hazy wagon]

I guess?

[dark ledge]

Well whats the point of the statement. A comparison is only valid if we are comparing two equals

[hazy wagon]

I just disagreed with "rogue shouldnt be able to kill fighter in a fair fight" thats it

if rogue doesnt have a good engage or plan then yeah he'll fold

im not sure what their plan is with global cooldown or whatever anyways cause right now it's not that skillbased since you can just button mash everything almost at once

combat is really fast

which i guess can be ok since it's easier to screw up combos but it seems a bit weird in fights

hard to track anything

[mint slate]

i know im joining a topic half way in discussion but you wnt talk balance then my issue is what other class has escape tools like rogue does?

[dark ledge]

Both mage and bard have skill that puts everyone to sleep , plus they have blink/dash skill - so they are pretty hard to catch over all

[mint slate]

so you believe a momentary sleep and blink where person watches you leave and can chase you down is equal to a press 2 buttons and the fights over

[dark ledge]

They will have hard time chasing you down

[hazy wagon]

i know mage has a big blink (not sure how many) and bard mobility is crazy

tank has 1 dash? maybe more idk

rogue mobility is good, bard is also good

rogue can also incap for 10 seconds but needs to be 8m away

can be tough to get off

[dark ledge]

Rogue has that hook thing. How does that work ?

[hazy wagon]

you press it once, little aoe circle, press it again and it grapples to that point, it's really good

goes hella far 😂

and you can get 2

[dark ledge]

I should really try to lvl up a rogue alt

[hazy wagon]

it's probably on par with bard dashes, but bard can't scale rocks etc

i dont think

[mint slate]

so we debating a little bit extra move speed(Bard), a mobility skill like blink9mage) is equal tool kit to incap + mobility skill + just stealth and leave

[wraith patio]

Ranger, Hi!

[hazy wagon]

oh yeah bard gets ms too

[mint slate]

if its uphill angles rock they will slide up but and type ledge will stop bard and have vault

[dark ledge]

That makes sense

[hazy wagon]

if you want maximum escape potential, go rogue

tldr

[mint slate]

thats my point i find rogue to have to much fight dictation power

[hazy wagon]

well, it has 0 heals, buffs, self sustain

it dies quite easily

[mint slate]

caNT KILL WHAT YOU DONT SEE

sorry caps lock

[hazy wagon]

you can see them in stealth if you're close enough

and bard can easily unstealth a rogue

[wraith patio]

smokebomb->fighter

[mint slate]

close enough and facing them but any decent rouge flips over you to not be line sight stealth and you then have guess pixel perfect what direction they moved

[hazy wagon]

if a rogue grapples+stealths, bard can dash literally right to them

if they're quick enough

[hazy wagon]

well yeah..but if they're escaping they're also not fighting, so

[wraith patio]

CC fighter to get his momemtum depleted, go finish off, gg.

[mint slate]

thats exactly my point they start from stealth choosing opportune moment to have advantage in the fight, they have decent damage to hurt someone in a fight and if fight doesnt go their way they have ability to just leave, yes they arent fighting but they also arent dying

[hazy wagon]

chase them

[wraith patio]

my fighter in heroic/epic SB gear and leg weapons "one shot" few times by a rogue... last phase

[hazy wagon]

arent doing that this phase

equal gear equal level you cant one shot anyone

[twin crown]

what class seems best for pvp, like 1 on 1?

[meager shuttle]

rogue

[twin crown]

interesting, that would be my assumption as well.. since y'know. They have to be good at something Lol

[meager shuttle]

they quite op

[ashen yew]

Is it me or is the summoner, as we are now, paying a very hefty hybrid tax?

[meager shuttle]

prob just you

[ashen yew]

Possible. Just doesn't seem like they have anything usefull unique to them. They are just healers from temu, or tank from temu, if you can't get one. Unlike say, bard who provides unique buffs.

[versed viper]

Their versatility is what they’re good for. But also lots of class balance still to come so don’t worry about some that are op right now. They will see the nerf bat.

[meager shuttle]

they have a shit ton of utility

[compact trail]

for ranger is shortbow or longbow

[versed viper]

Aldo though Summoner is supposed to play in a party with tank and healer and help out where needed. So like tough mob or bad pull they make it easier. Or allow a party to pull more or chain pull whatever. Support not replacement.

So yea if your party has no cleric best you can do is off heal temu cleric style lol that’s intended

[meager shuttle]

https://tenor.com/view/gaming-monkey-monkey-gaming-gif-24891666

[ashen yew]

Pretty sure the idea was that it would be viable, if not optimal, to have a summoner replace a tank, based on party composition, I believe that was the exact quote. Still you can't just have versitality as a sale figure of an archetype. If you don't have anything unique why bring a summoner at all? Just bring competent tanks and clerics no?

[void juniper]

See I've seen this work for spot heals but I have literally never seen a hybrid class work as "the spot-tank" outside of a raid environment where said hybrid class has specifically geared to do so.

Also, doesn't the inclusion of 2nd archetypes down the line sort of negate being "the hybrid"? What happens when the rogue just goes rogue/tank? Is every class just "the hybrid"?

[rough garnet]

Thinking you should be able to rep a real tank, real dps, real cleric is wild. You want to be the best at everything lol? Utility and flexibility comes at a cost.

[void juniper]

I would much rather see Summoner fill another niche besides this dancing between the roles nonsense. Like if we became the debuff/control class or something.

[rough garnet]

i mean you have a niche, the pet class.

[void juniper]

That's not a group role though. That's like saying bard is "the music class!"

[versed viper]

rogue/tank would still be a dps class. The main archetype is supposed to define your role and that won't change

[shut dew]

Hello! Is there a place to find some updated standard builds to follow? I'm new at the game and would like to find something for fighters to start

I mean the skills and weapon points to get

[ashen yew]

I suppose summoners have a lot of cc if that counts for something? Tank pet on full essence has 3sec trip, you have a snare, aoe silence, aoe stun on your pet, complitely shutting down a single character with the exhaust ray?

[ashen yew]

Those are hard to come by, the situation is too fluid to make proper guides and standard builds

[shut dew]

Yeah i feel the game have a lot of options, thats why would be useful to have something as reference

[ashen yew]

How can you tho, you start making such guides and they are outdated by next month 😛

[shut dew]

Thats true, its annoying to try do something when the game change its so often

[void juniper]

I agree and I'd love to see intrepid lean more into this rather than the tank/dps/healer thing.

The healer pet has an off cooldown off character dispel that works on any debuff. This is also a huge utility people overlook. This is effectively self cc removal if it works like the tooltip says and you position the pet well. Warlock in WoW classic has the same thing on his felhunter pet and its a primary reason he's taken in competitive pvp settings like battlegrounds.

[ashen yew]

I haven't even managed to get that to dispell poison from the scorpids tho 😛

[dark ledge]

Guys as Bard. Does anyone knows what causes you to suddenly and seemingly randomly stop channeling melody ?

[topaz lark]

esc button.... I think

[dark ledge]

No. I mean for example I cast Menacing melody. And even before the full channel is finished I notice the effect just stopped. The aura animation is still present though, but the effect itself is removed.

It happens randomly, but in areas witl lot of people happens more often.

[silk dirge]

Are there any place/biome which is better for consistent caster loot?

[silk dirge]

Server lag and crossing through server workers breaks a lot of bards stuff

[dark ledge]

Just happens so randomly

[unique zinc]

has anyone made tank viable with a 2h weapon

[covert lynx]

Hey fam! Wondering if anybody has tried tank with a 2h? Thinking it may be viable. I wonder if I can hotkey shield to swap if needed.

[zealous hare]

For the rogues out there, what type of melee weapon do you use?

I’ve been using Daggers, but I’ve been considering swapping to a spear. Both have .5 second attacks in combos, but the dagger has 6 attacks (3 seconds total) and spear has 4 attacks (2seconds total), so it would refresh flurry more often.

Also since poison only applies on 3 specific hits in a combo, you’re not missing any poison procs.

Anyone test out spear on rogue?

[proud rampart]

😄 we are the musical class

[mint slate]

@unique zinc @covert lynx 2h tank for solo and small group stuff can be done but better suited for when solo and 1v1 mobs as group content gunna wanna pull many mobs and shield does have better stats and use for blocking big hits then 2h sword does.. its not unviable but its less efficient and harder to pull off.
and no cj you cant keybind and hotswap weapons unfortunatly

[quasi lintel]

is there a way to reset your experience level in a specific weapon? I don't mean resetting spent skill points, I mean returning to 0 exp so you can level that weapon up from the start again

[unique zinc]

just met a dude in sb level 18tank using a 2h pulling like 8 bears, tis doable

[mint slate]

I dont believe so

[mint slate]

i did say isnt unviable just less effecient and harder

[jaunty brook]

Bears are super easy as a 2h tank since you can dodge all the big hits no problem. I guess the true viability test would be a named enemy that is immune to cc and does multiple big hits within a 15 second window?

I actually question how much a shield really helps mitigate damage considering you still have reflect and grit and most enemies spend a good chunk of the time disabled (tripped).

[unique zinc]

yeah im trying to figure out how useful shields actually are

because if theyre just eh id rather use a 2h for much more damage

[south nacelle]

from what I noticed...mitigation wise is only tiny % off... but block is 0 which means no random blocks, only manual. so depends on how good you are at seeing incoming attacks and dodging or blocking

[covert lynx]

What do you mean block is 0?

[covert lynx]

Thanks so much for the response @mint slate

[covert lynx]

@unique zinc exaxtly, I want to test out mitigation with a 2h guard vs a shield. Also we have to factor in the lack of shield abilities for the tank archetype

[unique zinc]

you can use all shield abilities without one

[covert lynx]

Omg noooo way!!

[south nacelle]

yeah, you don't need a shield to use the abilities. Block % is zero without shield. Press C for character and open the physical tab and you'll see block %

[unique zinc]

2h could be very viable im ngl

[covert lynx]

Is block % just for physical attacks?

[south nacelle]

yes, but you can still manually block. But the random blocks that happen with shield, won't happen without

[covert lynx]

Well I realized that damage actually gets a threat bonus on tanks so it's not useless for pulling aggro

[covert lynx]

Gotcha. Hmmm. That makes sense. I wonder how high block % can get end game

[jaunty brook]

The last part of the block stamina tree applies 1/4 your block of each type to the other type so presumably you can block magic

[south nacelle]

i stopped on my tank at 9 so no clue on % at 25.

[covert lynx]

I wonder if there's any way to life steal as a tank, may help improve the effective hp

[unique zinc]

lvl 20 im at 21%

[jaunty brook]

21% chance to block is decent, how much % mitigation? I think it scales off strength in addition to your shield?

[covert lynx]

21% is decent but also not a "must have" imo

That's like blocking 1 in 5 hits. Now if it were 1 of 2 hits or better that would be pretty insane

[jaunty brook]

Looks like block reduction without a shield is 10% and reflect increases that to 40% for a hit

[covert lynx]

I thought block % was 0 without a shield

[jaunty brook]

And looks like it doesnt scale with any stat, the wiki lied to me

it's 0% chance to passively block, but if you do block manually it reduces the damage by 10%

[covert lynx]

Oh. That sucks lol. Well. At least there's reflect?

[jaunty brook]

It looks like the temp hp weapon node (ward) gives 5% block chance even on the 2h, though I have not seen it actually work so maybe it's a display thing

The stamina tree also mentions increasing block reduction while guarding in the passives, though it says 5% and the char sheet shows 4.5%

And reflect brings me up to 37% in the char sheet instead of 40%

[covert lynx]

Hmmmm. Good research @jaunty brook I'll have to test it out

[exotic raptor]

I use a spear currently. I would say without looking at numbers and math I feel like I stack poison faster with daggers than I do with the spear.

[covert lynx]

Damn tested stuff out, 2H tank is great I think and you can actually swap shield on hotbar, just have to swap a 1h first

[clever lark]

all the rouges i see are uding 2 handed swords, they keep jumping me

[covert lynx]

2H is great for crit

[proud rampart]

cuz 2h swrod and 2h axe are best mele weapons atm.

[clever lark]

i know

[proud rampart]

i mean fuck my bard is rocking a 2h axe...

[covert lynx]

What do we think of the 2h spear

[meager shuttle]

idk what do we think

[dire quarry]

how is fighter overall atm?

[meager shuttle]

good

[lime apex]

are daggers just bad?

[exotic raptor]

O.o

What did i just read the last 12 lines.

No daggers aren't bad, sure swords and axes are cool. Yes spears are cool to

And swords give attack speed not crit. No idea what that guy was smoking

[mint slate]

I know axes are highly popular due to later tree having twin base damage increases that other weapons don't have but I do agree every weapon has place and viability and is more a use/play style choice rather then a clear one is better then the other answer

[exotic raptor]

This works. Ive used it before. Gives you passive block even without a shield. The damage reduction is pretty limited though.

I dont disagree axes are pretty cool. That base damage however is not your overall damage. It is your "base" damage. Its under miscellaneous in the paper doll.

Nothing in the weapon trees are really make or break kinds of things. Just playstyles and what you prefer.

That base damage you get as well requires you to go through full auto attack chains. Your not doing that when your bursting someone down

[meager shuttle]

generelly yes have their stat spread is not as good

[meager shuttle]

for ranged weapon there absolutely is

[exotic raptor]

Do tell

[meager shuttle]

look at bullseye

[exotic raptor]

Mmhhmmm

Bullseye is a good one for sure

[meager shuttle]

its broken, idk how thats still not nerfed

[exotic raptor]

Why do you think its broken?

[meager shuttle]

have you read it?

[exotic raptor]

Yep

[meager shuttle]

then what does it do

[exotic raptor]

Really dude im asking why you think its broken not a triva game

If you can't give a reason off hand than just shut it

[meager shuttle]

its pretty self explanatory, if you cant figure that out then idk what to tell you

sorry you are bad?

[exotic raptor]

Guess so

Your the same guy that says powwa is the only stat that matters

[meager shuttle]

when did i say that

[exotic raptor]

If bullseye is broken then more people would be using daggers, spears and rapiers rather than greatswods

[meager shuttle]

who gives a shit about meele weapons lmao

[exotic raptor]

Hahaha ha I can post a face

You going to give your grand wisdom yet?

Yeah who cares about melee weapons....

Who cares about armor or jewelry either

[meager shuttle]

im not teaching people who arent willing to learn

[exotic raptor]

You know im not even going to wait for the response. Just going to block you instead. Your posts are always annoying and bullshit

[meager shuttle]

https://tenor.com/view/the-office-laugh-gif-5276513

sorry that ur salty that i showed ur not good at the game, its ok to be bad though i wouldt spread misinformation

[snow drum]

why do tablet kids feel the need to rage bait, how about instead of tearing people down, build them up

the world needs more of it, instead of the chidlish immature ragebaiting

[outer phoenix]

where the flying flip

is all the MAGE gear at 😭

[exotic raptor]

Sorry bro I handed it out to my guys

❤️

[turbid stratus]

Any new summoner tips? which skills are worth it? Dimenson bolt wont let me TP my spirit for some reason

[crimson relic]

Gotta press the skill again after it hits enemy

[cinder scaffold]

so does fighter still sucks?

[neat hatch]

https://tenor.com/view/yep-yes-affirm-gif-5154459

[meager shuttle]

nope

bad fighters suck

[whole violet]

Ive been playing it and its not bad, but the ability trees feel strange to me

[turbid stratus]

what annoys me is having no indication when you " move up" a tier

[whole violet]

yeah i agree

i also dont know why theres no use of stamina bar- i was expecting that when i picked fighter lol

ig for dodging and blocking but i thought there would be stam abilities

[verbal sage]

they said they fixed the summoner hotbor issue but it still happens, before it would get fixed after 3 summons, how do we fix now?

[meager shuttle]

stamina applies for every class the same, you have your class resources for individual class resource

aka momentum

[barren forum]

I feel like cleric purify needs to allow like 0.5 seconds of debuff immunity

trying to hope a zombie doesnt instant reapply healing debuff is stupid

[meager shuttle]

theres no point until they move out of the puddle

[neat hatch]

It's not just the puddle. Zombies apply the debuff on every melee hit as well

[meager shuttle]

you mean wounded

yea though ideally you have asummoner pet to cleanse these if you really need to

[neat hatch]

No. Not wounded. They apply the debuff that prevents healing on every melee hit they do

It might be only level 20 and above zombies that do. Not sure on that

But clerics and bards can generally cleanse quick enough and get heals through.

[meager shuttle]

is that caph mobs, i wouldt know any other zombies who does that

i was never much in caph

[neat hatch]

Carph and gravepeak should. But really any zombie, not thermaturge(however you spell that). Regular zombies will spit and melee, the others spit, life steal, and the blast thing that doesn't do any damage still

[ember crag]

should i be crafting my own gear or buying from marketplace? I'm level 18 tank with 3400 hp, looking to increase my HP

[neat hatch]

You're probably good until level 20, then you'll have access to much better gear

[ember crag]

some guy said i should have 4900 hp at level 18

but i asked other tanks around my level and everyones around 3500

is that guy full of shit or what

[neat hatch]

Probably. My main tank didn't hit 5k till after 20 I believe. But we are also a strong group together. If you're doing pugs it might be worth getting a better piece. I just think hitting 20 first should be priority at this point though

[dusky wind]

what armor should I focus for fighter?

[neat hatch]

@covert shoal there really aren't builds. My favorite late game combination has been 3/5 heavy/light of sandbastion/cognesente

[wicked falcon]

turns out, if everyone just blocks the guy, they will just leave on their own to do it elsewhere.

[neat hatch]

Cleric, Bard, summoner, ranger regen

Not currently. They turned that on but somehow bugged all health in the game doing so, so they turned it back off

I generally heal mounts when I see them. Unless it's a mule so can steal your crate

[next path]

i got 4300 at 18, mostly common heavy pieces with cons

[noble storm]

Question; I'm a mage. Lets say i want to use medium armor; there are some Intellegence/Wisdom focused medium sets with Mag Crit bonuses and such. Assuming i have access to these armors, is there a good reason to still go light? (Is there an inherent damage buff or smth? Or should i just go medium int sets? Do I lose out on damage?)

[exotic raptor]

nope set bonuses are all listed.

[noble storm]

So i can safely wear medium int armor and not lose out on damage yes?
Then is there any reason for anyone to wear light armor?

[exotic raptor]

that is correct

sure all the sub stats are different. light also give you a bunch of magic defense

med and heavy magic armors are pretty limited but there are some

[desert jolt]

Can an experienced Bard help me please?
I am level 13 and it says i could use the "Saga" skill but whenever i go to put a skillpoint in it, it wont let me confirm and save the tree...
I tried this with any of the skills below (Conflict/Mystery etc.) even with 2, i thought maybe it need 2 of those but no it wont let me.
Even if I was stupid and didnt see something, it doesnt tell me WHY this is, I'm sorry if this is a dumb question.

nvm i figured it out... i really can't build any of the mastery skills at the same time as saga?? wtf

[empty geyser]

does anyone eles have this issue where extract vessel keeps being casted on its own? when u press it only once

[polar mason]

Are rapiers any good on a rogue? They seems to have far less stats that the other weapons.

[meager shuttle]

depends on the stats

if stats good yes if not then no

[manic heron]

anyone got a sick tank build for solo lvling 9 and onwards? xD

[versed viper]

make sure you report via /bug in game if you can't figure this out

[livid ravine]

You'll get some good mileage from using the 100% crit on punish and the snaring from bellow, throw 2 hander into the mix with high con and the 50% extra HP from vengeance you should be good to go

[manic heron]

right now Im using shortbow as main dmg weapon, when they get close I trip them then pulverize, then the 3 hit stun, walk around and throw axe in the back, and finish off with shortbow ¨

I wonder if there is a better more efficient way

and more sustainable manawise

have mana proc on finishers

[livid ravine]

Interesting, not tried the ranged stuff. Melee tends to have a lot more AoE rather than single target

[manic heron]

yeah I like the AoE, but I ahve to sit and rest to do that

my adhd does not like that xD

[livid ravine]

Fair enough, maybe someone a bit more experienced can help fine-tune

[manic heron]

maybe I just need to find a better spot, with like lvl 7 mobs, right now I tried the AoE on lvl 9 creepers and Im lvl 9

I kill 2 pulls of 5 each, Im almost dead that after ^^ then use rations and wait for respawn

[livid ravine]

Couldn't hurt to try

[ionic plume]

Just need an off hand with them and it should do fine

[mint tusk]

So I just started playing fighter and wondered how viable it is to build attack speed outside of using the greatsword for the 3proc finisher and trying to get as many cd resets on the brutal cleave and the base slash skill as possible

[exotic raptor]

yeah you could do that

[meager shuttle]

while lvling difficult to "build" around that and furthermore not particular worth it though that being sad phys speed is a good stat on fighter but i wouldt worry about it much til you reached lvl 25 and building your endgoal set

or one of them if you are that committed

if ur lvling in a grp and have swordmasters buff or whatever its called unlocked that gives phs speed, try that right before you ww and see the dmg difference its significant in pvp however not very useful

[unkempt ember]

i wanted to play the alpha (last one i did was lapha 1 as tank) and was considering summoner. How is summoner in term,s of finding froups or should I stick with tank

[meager shuttle]

tank is far superior to find grps with for obv reasons

[unkempt ember]

mmhm i see then tnak summomner is deadd in the water?

perhaps whe n2nd archetypes are out itll be more viable?

[meager shuttle]

its not "dead" but it wont be able to replace a tank in grp content

with second archtype maybe? doubt it though esp since ur tied to pet AI

and pet cant dodge certain abilities that are very hard hitting

so i wouldt count on that

[visual moon]

I want subclasses so bad 😩

It’s going to open up the combat so much.

[unkempt ember]

How about tank class? Is it interactie where you can parry attacks or is it jsut jump in and get stuck in.

[visual moon]

No Parry, but you should be blocking attacks more than you think

Especially those charged up attacks enemies do.

[unkempt ember]

hmm

decisions decisions

[jaunty brook]

You can also avoid the charge attacks by moving to the side or backward for most of them, no need to block

Well, most of them anyway

[worldly acorn]

I think subclasses will end up being a meme

[livid ravine]

Tank is quite fun if you enjoy a little bit of hectic battling, blocking and dodging becomes a luxury when you're tanking groups. Its impossible to see the wind up on all of them

Not to mention dodging throws off positioning of your melee, good if you're solo though. The biggest gripes so far is why Grit is a 20 sec buff not a passive baked in to the class and why reflect isn't tied to the block mechanic

[meager shuttle]

sadly, this is likely to be true

[unkempt ember]

how does respecing work? is it free whenever to reset talents? can you sav e tlanet loadouts?

[livid ravine]

Its free so far, no save function either but you can remove individual picks by right clicking

[unkempt ember]

gotcha gotcha thanks

and last quesiton, as summoner cnayou summon 2 lads temporarly?

[ripe estuary]

not rn

[meager shuttle]

i dont think u will never be able to summon multiple ones. maybe some that count as one entity

[edgy gust]

Do you guys think that the Classes will receive some major overhoul addressing the new feedbacks after the Steam release, or do you think that the Core of the Classes are definitive?

[meager shuttle]

expect all classes beside bard, rogue, summoner to get some changes of sorts

[livid ravine]

Its probably not unreasonable to see some small tweaks at least, I imagine

[edgy gust]

why not those 3 in particular?

[livid ravine]

Think they were the latest additions

[meager shuttle]

yea they are fairly more fleshed out than the other classes

people also call them the bucky classes

[livid ravine]

Bucky classes?

[edgy gust]

I tried all classes (aside from Cleric and Mage) , and I feel like the Fighter could use some major changes, and the Tank and Ranger, some more little changes on many abilities,

also i feel like the Rouge and the Bard are the more polished one

[meager shuttle]

the guy who made bard and rogue, pretty sure summoner too

[livid ravine]

Ah, makes sense. Thought it might've been some kind of reference so had to check

[boreal badger]

idk what to run for my summoner

as i was gonna run plate armor as i had a lore idea for a valune character

[austere oar]

Does the summoner hunter pet damage scale with magic power or physical power?

cause auto attacking for 30 makes me think its not scaling with magic power

[exotic raptor]

Which pet?

Nvm hunter pet

Interesting

[native hinge]

This is alpha, you should consider just about everything as subject to change.

[austere oar]

I'm almost 22 on my Summoner, and I'm thinking I want to reroll.

The class just has minimal damage... the pet AI, ui, skills, stats are subpar.

The channeled silence and the remove buffs is the only redeeming things.... and silence is too short imo.

Like MAYBE MAYYYBE I could get behind it if more of the abilities were instant casts and not channeled.... and had longer timers.

[covert lynx]

Summoner is SO bad. That's what I played first but yeah i tried out other stuff and it's much better

[exotic raptor]

This makes me what to play it to try it out

[mint tusk]

I rerolled to fighter my summoner just goes fishing now

[potent thorn]

what is best wep to use as tank?

[opaque sparrow]

Well thats sad, im only lvl 13 on my summ, but i feel he is doing great, i can solo like a beast, i frequently pull aggro, and get it if the tank dies so i feel dmg wise im doing decent, and i can help heal the tank and party so it gives me extra purpose... maybe all that changes later levels which might just be a scaling issue

[versed viper]

Well Summoner is a support class keep that in mind

Used for versatility

[fading lichen]

does rogue only want dex? or str will also be very good for rogue?

[austere oar]

str increases your damage, so you probably want that

[grand garden]

is there a "best" 2h weapon for tanks in pvp?

[neat hatch]

Prolly goblin skin stripper for now with its raw damage and speed on it

Plus disable accuracy is good for tanks

[exotic raptor]

Str has better damage scaling although dex has some damage increase. Dex also affects evasion and critical chance.

[dark robin]

Preface:
I plan on writing a cleric guide in the next few weeks, but thought I would share a piece of it here

[dim jay]

Are u able to get your 2nd archetype in this version of the alpha? And if so - which should I go for as bard? 🙂

[dark robin]

//
Background: someone had sent me a dm with some questions about Clerics, how they work, and stats/weapons

[dark robin]

(No, not yet, but maybe in April/May)

[dim jay]

ok, thanks!

[exotic flame]

They need to buff sniper little more that’s what given for Ranger. I don’t have endgame gear in this new stage yet almost there but 2-5% increase

[hazy juniper]

Will primary archetypes keep getting abilities up to 50, or is the current ability list from 1-25 what we're getting

Nm was answered in general, the answer is yes abilities up to 50

[polar sky]

Any tanks having issues right now with pulling mobs? I've played for a year with a duo cleric and I would pull mobs with grapple and taunt and I could easily just grab one mob to farm. Now, no matter what I do, every time I taunt/grapple I will pull every mob in a group and aggro all of them. Not sure if I have something selected I don't realise or a weapon passive but its really frustrating :1

[grand urchin]

With full essence it works consistently to triple stomp. Trying with Disintegrate snare, I'd have to look at the timing. My guess is lag. But it's hard to tell cause I don't think the trip says trip, you have to watch the animations.

[queen monolith]

any up to date Bard guides?

[meager shuttle]

skill trees will all get reworked so it goes up to 50

[gray jungle]

I only started playing with Early Access, but every group of mobs I pull as tank are leashed together. It is rare for me to find mobs together that I can solo pull.

[grand urchin]

they can, but i'm sure it depends on the mob. i have tripped bears for example, but maybe some are immune. like i tried suppression beam on senna giants and they were immune

[hazy wagon]

There's no way there will be 50 abilities per class, unless that includes both archetypes

Which would still be insane

[mint slate]

i think they mean the trees will go to level 50 and there wont be two sets skills per say from what ive heard subclass with augment the main class skills rather then just being a second tree of skills

[meager shuttle]

50 skill points, already has been previed, think of wow old skill trees but 1 tree

[hazy wagon]

I'd imagine the current ones would just be spread out to level 50, not that many total abilities

[meager shuttle]

There wont be 50 abilities

[hazy wagon]

yeah this

[meager shuttle]

Ur the only one said 50 abilities

[mint slate]

the skill trees i believe will have passives eventually to so that may be how they fluff current abilities spread out over 50 levels

[meager shuttle]

If you look hard enough they showed how cleric skill tree looks like

[meager shuttle]

You can put multible points into one talent and such

[hazy wagon]

Thought you meant up to 50 as in abilities nvm

[meager shuttle]

Literally how wow did it in 2004

[clear adder]

sort of? Their last plan on that when they showed it off was you get ability and passive points through different leveling mechanisms, and can assign them as you like.

Probably gonna be a lot more passive abilities/options added up to level 50, and not too many more skills beyond just the augments from secondary classes.

[meager shuttle]

didnt u used to have fg server tag

did you leave or what

[clear adder]

nah still here

Discord changed the way they do tags, and made it much harder unless you actually pay them for it specifically, and we largely don't give a fuck enough to pay them

thats why you don't see NEARLY as many tags in here anymore

[meager shuttle]

huh

[clear adder]

Used to be you just get it at the boost tier. Now you have to pay for 3 separate boosts for the tag, and 3 separate boosts for the animated shit, and 3 separate boosts for the other shit

[versed viper]

Didn’t that say you’ll get 40-60 abilities per class and only have enough points to take 10-20 depending on how you spec?

It may have changed but that was the idea to have different builds and force choices just with the primary archetype?

[stoic scaffold]

as far as i know the current skill tree represents "all" of the skills available.

When class augments will be introduced I guess there'll be more options on the skill tree (But I don't think that new skills will be added, but "modified" skills / passive based on the second class you picked)

[frozen nova]

Will the second class be picked at character creation or will it be picked at a certain level

[zealous hare]

lvl 25 when added I believe

[hasty lichen]

hello guys, got a question, what type of armor to use as a Fighter? do i go Medium or Heavy?

[dark robin]

Level 30 is what's been stated

It's pretty poorly explained, tbh

[jaunty bone]

According to the "Lore" if you will. What class/Archetype goes with what Race.

[dark robin]

Augments add other skills and pathways. Ultimately, once we hit level 50, we're not supposed to be able to unlock every ability. There's supposed to be some kind of opportunity cost to your skill choices(as there should be)

[jaunty bone]

Are there any racial bonuses?

[dark robin]

No

It was something that they had planned on having at one point, but have since stated that Race choice will only have visual differences

[jaunty bone]

Sweet, thank you

Can you advice me on a Class? I read the Bard is the main go-to

I will play solo for the time being, looking to be sustainable.

[dark robin]

Bard is a solid choice all around

[languid zodiac]

Is there a bard discord?

[meager shuttle]

No, theres also no need for class discords

Classes are straightforward for the most part

[meager shuttle]

Look up whoisroxis on yt if you wanna learn about bard, he has a guide

[toxic barn]

where i can read how my mag and psyh def scales with my summons? more detailed?

[frozen cape]

guys whats BiS great axe phys

[meager shuttle]

no one has done the theorycraft, to my knowledge at least publicly

[void cypress]

any good radiant set suggestions for mage ?

[dire quarry]

are daggers viable on fighter or are axes better

[meager shuttle]

depends on the stats really but yes

axe is better in pve tho

[versed viper]

I would like class channels in this Discord

Not a fan of separate class Discords though

[versed viper]

Class just came out so people are still figuring that stuff out but also many will keep it in Guild and not share info.

[meager shuttle]

you could make one

but i know community discords from wow were very aids

big sesspool too

everyone had to do their own server because they needed to be in power

[dark ledge]

Guys what you think is better +6% crit chance, or 4% power boost ?

[glad cloak]

Need like 190% crit power for it to be better. Or if you value the volatility for PvP more

The power boost also scales better for healers and skills that can’t crit like pensive (though 4% is unlikely to hit a breakpoint for that skill)

[dark ledge]

Clarification its for bard conflict or chaos song

So i get 9.6% crit chance with it and i have 155% crit power. On a shortbow

But as you say power improves healing ( and mana gain ) as well. So I guess that is more useful for bard...

[glad cloak]

It should be the buff adds 9% to what you currently have if you use it 2x, I haven’t peeped if they’ve changed anything in the background anyways. First instance of the book spells ads what the tooltip says. 4% power, 6% crit chance. Second cast adds 50% of that effect for 6% power, 9% crit chance.

Technically better to alternate and do 6%, 4% but I don’t think anyone min-maxes when the talents are desired in bard tree

[dark ledge]

No i think its specific skill that allows this addup

Oh no, you are right

4 goes to 6% power

What should i go first ?

[glad cloak]

If you are doing red masks use power until geared

[sudden ember]

is it just me, or are people sleeping on cathartic melody

[glad cloak]

Lifesteal has a static 25% proc chance, so whatever lifesteal it gives is 1/4thed value on average.

Plus you need to do damage for it to do anything. If you need healing the healing one does more. If you need damage the damage one does more. It’s niche in that it can do more healing than the healing one - but only focused to specific classes. The scaling on healing classes/abilities is so high, multiplying their output is usually just better / more reliable. Usually when people are dieng they aren’t also doing full damage.

Other classes are better for wounds applications also

[bitter seal]

since you are talking about bard - what stats should I be focusing on - I am only lvl 14 but am struggling with the gear aspect on what I should be focusing on stat wise

[glad cloak]

Power is the only thing that matters. Get 5 set bonuses if you can. Hp can prevent one shots / tankier but that’s it. At least 50% of the stats are useless / basically useless. Cast speed probably next for leveling like wisdom because of how many auto attacks you do

I used some phys armor while leveling because magic armor is rarer, better than empty slot

[sudden ember]

it's 12.5% lifesteal on average, so if you do 400 dps it's 50 hps, 100 when boosted. healing aura i think did 7 per tick on my lvl 12 bard.

it ticks every 2 sec, so 3.5 hps, i bet the 15% + healing is the only relevant thing there. but is even that any good.

the ones most at risk of taking damage are those that deal the most damage, so it scales with need

The only lame part about cathartic is that the resonance buffs my dmg.

it just felt like my party never lost hp when i did cathartic, so cleric had nothing to do.

[glad cloak]

It’s better to look at it from a mana power per second instead, say 125-150% mp per second for dps. So if you can sustain aoe, that’s a ton of output for lifesteal

Idk it’s definitely viable and cathartic scales up based on your aoe output. The resonance from cheerful effects should be net stronger? There’s definitely a counterpoint world where you rock both to be most optimal. I usually look at things from a raid v raid perspective, focused targets can’t do damage to lifesteal. While also being focus targeted for heals from multiple supports. Any uptime to benefit from cathartic they are getting hit back.

Leveling its mana bard and damage bard, not good to go 3x bard. Uptime is too strict to try flexing in other songs for pve.

Geared bard can solo heal though with cheerful, as long as you have a mana bard and tank is geared

I was wondering why I wasn’t thinking about cathartic more but pve there’s no room and pvp the focused targets can’t save themselves. Cheerful allows downtime sustain aplification

[sudden ember]

damage bard and mix-bard

maybe people need to get better at ability-spam. or they need to nerf mana regen effects. because most parties im in has 90%+ mana when a bard is there.

[glad cloak]

Pumper groups you can’t sustain aoe dmg past 2 mins, slowly lose mana, didn’t have weapons while leveling though

Except apprentice ones I got at 19

I also don’t play with fighters, just all the mana eater classes

[neat hatch]

pumper groups need to be using refreshing follow through for that

[somber monolith]

what adept set should i be looking for as a bard

currently have multiple sanctus stlaker pieces

[zealous hare]

If I had a dagger and greatsword with identical stats and power, would either one do more damage with abilities? Or is the damage of abilities purely based on the physical power

[somber monolith]

would be equal, but daggers will be faster so would be better ith all stats same

[zealous hare]

So then based on that logic, if spears do basically the same goal damage as daggers but in 2 seconds and not 3, they should be superior for melee right?

4 hits .5 attack speed, fastest for combos

Short bow is tied also, 5 hits .4 attack speed

[jaunty bone]

Is this list accurate?
https://powerupgaming.co.uk/2025/12/19/ashes-of-creation-tier-list-best-classes-ranked/

It even lists subclasses and the like

Haven't seen any other list do that.

[versed viper]

No

[proud rampart]

is there any place i can go to lvl from 18-20 that is not Steel Bloom? im not making any progress there.

[pallid warren]

Sunhaven aoe Grind maybe?

[fickle parrot]

I see some rogues run around with 2h axe, but i cant get them to explain why 😄

I thought daggers was the go to

[proud rampart]

daggers are in a bad spot atm.

[fickle parrot]

i just reached lvl 12 and bought an adept dagger. would you recommend to switch to a 2H axe ?

[frozen saddle]

Three swings for bleed finisher vs 6 for dagger

[ashen yew]

For summoners: It seems like, not sure if it's a bug, your pet can still use abilities during phase out. Not sure if that helps a bit in pvp

[void cypress]

which radiant weapons are good for mages 1 spellbook and 1 two-handed or 1 spellbook and 2 one-handed ?

[dark ledge]

Whats more fun Mage or Ranger ?

[cinder scaffold]

nerf fighter

[proud rampart]

belive 2h sword is actually top mele atm, followed by axe. both the same axe just slightly slower.

[signal quartz]

Anyone try shield cleric for pvp yet? Keep u from getting one shot

[meager shuttle]

Ranger for me, mage is actually the least enjoyable class for me

Personal preference obv

[meager shuttle]

The one that gives most stats, for pve ideally spellbool though, meele is whatever

[meager shuttle]

Its not like ur giga tanky with a shield all of the sudden but yes tank stats help, clerics are usually targets

[meager shuttle]

2h axe are the best meele weapons, but its all about the stats which daggers have poor distribution

Greataxe has best buffs for when you do a full combo, superior to 2h sword

@proud rampart ^

[zealous hare]

How do spears stack up?

Also is there any downside to using a ranged weapon in melee range? I’ve been using my short bow as a rogue more lately since it seems to apply poison faster

[meager shuttle]

Meele weapons are aoe

Or cleave rather

Idk what u mean with spears stack

[dark ledge]

Shortbow is fastest ranged. What is fastest melee ?

[meager shuttle]

Daggers

[dark ledge]

Daggers kind of suck because they have pretty much no range ( compared to swords or anything else really )
What is second best ( fastest )

[zealous hare]

Daggers and spears both have .5 attack speed, but daggers have 6 hits and spears have 4, so faster finishers

[zealous hare]

I meant how do spears stack up to axe/GS

[static rapids]

what type of summoner build are you guys enjoying?

[dark ledge]

how about rapiers?

[proud rampart]

Does it? I swear the trees were the same

[void cypress]

so what about armor sets any good option for radiant ?

[zealous hare]

Haven’t looked into 1h weapons because I haven’t found an offhand to pair with it

[dark ledge]

So Spears still are the best choice for bard ( and other classes that need fast attacks ? )

[fresh pilot]

Only option is a focus for dps and you can just press P go to the arcane engineering tab and look at the focuses available.

[dark ledge]

Any good focuses available? I really did not see any drop

[fresh pilot]

I'm sure there are for both phys power and mag power I'm only apprentice arcane engineering atm getting those recipes drops is what ill be looking for

[dark ledge]

What weapons apply something else than bleeding ( but damage ) as finishers ?

I think bleeding is less good than burning , am I right ?

[meager shuttle]

Its normalised how fast each weapon combos, mostly

If you mean stack poison, then daggers and shortbow is quite bit faster

[meager shuttle]

Anyone that gives most stats, people ususlly go medium since it gives armor and mr but going 5 heavy set and either 3 light or 3 medium is common to use

If you asking for specific stats/sets im not sure. I havent really looked at gear this wipe

[meager shuttle]

Nop

Its similar tho

[meager shuttle]

Depends on your class really, but dont worry about it that much, just look what weapon gives you the best stats and use that. You can worry about it after ur done lvling and start building on your final gear set

[dark ledge]

Its not completely accurate. If you have skills that deliver damage each weapon attack orr each finisher combo. Than fastest weapon possible is the way to go. Because the skill damage is not dependant on weapon but your stats

[meager shuttle]

If you mean on hit attack yes, that has nothing to do with the speed a weapon does a full rotation tho

Bards are best examples for that, they only use wands or shortbows for that and its very common to buff them bless and enchant weapon ontop

[dark ledge]

Every rotation is 5 attacks ... right

[meager shuttle]

Rogues are also common for shortbow which gives 8 stacks of poison for 1 rotation

[dark ledge]

Hmm, not. I see now

Spear is 4, shortbow is 5

[meager shuttle]

Im not talking about amount of hits

[dark ledge]

I mean attacks to finisher

[meager shuttle]

Im talking about 1 full rotation

[dark ledge]

So shortbow does full rotation on 5

[meager shuttle]

The only difference in speed is in the weapon giving speedstat so shortbow gives more speed stat (usually) than longbow and hence that makes it faster

[fresh pilot]

Is rapier a bad choice for melee because I'd assume it doesn't cleave. Don't see many or anyone using them

[dark ledge]

Spear does not cleave too

[meager shuttle]

It does cleave in a smaller cone tho if i remember right

[fresh pilot]

Don't see those hardly ever either

[dark ledge]

What? So what do you see ?

[meager shuttle]

Only used em once on release, so could be changed, not sure

Or preview you could say

[fresh pilot]

Great sword/axe

[dark ledge]

What is so great about them ?

[dark ledge]

Church

Hunting is ugh.... i think not very much working properly

[late sedge]

Anyone know what gear to buy lvl 10 fighter

this AH is DREADFUL

[proud rampart]

So guess im the weirdo bard running a "health" tank build and a 2h axe huh.

[meager shuttle]

not rly no, as for meele wepaon it doesnt matter, what matters is ranged weap

becuase thats what ur gonna use in pvp

pve is irrelevant

[proud rampart]

Ah yeah i just have a book atm.

[meager shuttle]

if ur lvling, dont worry about it

[proud rampart]

Havent really found a decent wand or bow. Also sb or lb? Forums say LB is better?

[meager shuttle]

generelly LB yes but for bard shortbow or wand

eventually you can do crazy burst

[proud rampart]

May i ask why sb?

[meager shuttle]

because it has many hits same as wand

i think it has to do with resonance stacking

i havent played bard myself but i have been victim of a bard killing me in like 0.7 seconds

and im not over exaggerating

[proud rampart]

I believe it, bard can do dumb damage.

[unique wolf]

Try summoner... guardian doesn't tank, basic attacks do trash damage (by design is fine), summons are always bugged, spells deal 1 feather damage per second.

In fact guardian is so trash and weak, the dps and support summons are stronger and live longer..

And summoner was supposed to be a dps class

[proud rampart]

sure but thats kinda expected tbh.... summoner launched with steam Ea so only wht 3 weeks?

[unique wolf]

Not ready to be launched = shouldn't be launched, no?

[weary pumice]

That list is complete speculation.

[proud rampart]

for a full game yes, for an alpha no? this is when you test things... in alpha/beta

[proud rampart]

ive played a LOT of mmo's usually new classes go onto a "beta" branch so you can test and give feedback... but ashes of creation IS a test branch. so...

[boreal river]

summoner is not a dps class, it is support

[polar mason]

Is rapier the best option for a crit-based rogue?

[hazy totem]

what is this take, its an alpha, give feedback on it

[forest fern]

Always greatsword

[exotic raptor]

lies

[forest fern]

Sword rogue bis big dam

[dire quarry]

weird question can bard be a viable dps

[devout aurora]

Viable yes but dont expect to get any invites to groups

[warm steppe]

I thought ppl loved having a Bard?

[devout aurora]

Not as pure dps

[versed viper]

Summoner isn’t dps it’s support

[versed viper]

Ppl want Bard for buffs

[stoic silo]

See a lot of comments on Summoner. Its base kit is a generalists kit. It’s not supposed to heal better than a good Cleric, it’s not supposed damage sponge better than a good Tank, and it’s not supposed to DPS better than a good DPS. Your best weapon is wand and focus. And it scales with Constitution, Mentality, Wisdom, and Intelligence. Your best 5 piece bonus is fortitude, then Intelligence and Wisdom. 115 magic attack speed puts your lowest cast times to .08. Hope this helps.

[woeful flame]

Such an unfortunate truth, I have to respec my Bard every time I group because solo is DPS but group is mana beech

That's why I invite a second Bard anytime I own a group

[versed viper]

It’s not unfortunate it’s literally their role. It’s the point of the Archetype existing.

I might add, too that having two different types of support Archetypes in a game let alone even one is really cool and we should be grateful instead of trying to make them a different role. Those roles exist go play those existing tank, healer, or dps Archetypes if that’s what some of you want.

[hot cradle]

The game is balanced around having a mana servant to keep groups going.

[dire quarry]

do you make sure to keep up 100% as a fighter?

[woeful flame]

You're right and I put more of my gripe lower in that message. I love being the buffer and still have the ability to do moderate damage while proving value for the whole team. I've been Bard since phase 2 and haven't looked back, it is the most fun class imo.

There are many buffs outside of pensive but you are required to have that up in a group setting all the time because many abilities are make hungry. This issue is circumvented at higher levels of Bard since you can have two melodies simultaneously.

[weary pumice]

Agree. I enjoy games that add elements of not healing support. There are a handfull, but most MMOs and ARPGs stay away from it, unfortunately.

[mint slate]

I actually run twin bard in my optimal setup as one does the mana battery thing (then healing song once can weave songs) and then have a second for the dps song and other bard buffs stuff with Cleric, tank and 5 remaining as dps

[hazy wagon]

Rapier+focus yes

Unless you already have high base crit chance but those 2 will just push it higher without losing much compared to daggers

[autumn bison]

Is it possible to tank as a fighter?

[meager shuttle]

not in the same capacity as a tank no

you can tank some mobs but not rly efficient, in a grp setting anyway

[covert canopy]

Any place i can learn reliably about gear for mage?

[queen monolith]

Do you want a fast finisher melee weapon for Bard? Also, is our stat priority just Intelligence- Constitution - Mag Power? Thinking of runnning 5 heavy 4 light, Force Set bonus

If LW gets stations on my server, might aim for 5 heavy 4 medium

[autumn bison]

i died and now i no longer attack with weapons

does anyone know what is going on?

[violet dome]

what counterplay is there to rogue's blink > stealth? Rogue initiates combat out of stealth, then blinks away and stealths again and the blink range is so big that you cant catch up to it

[barren forum]

Question as a cleric, if i am dual targeting an ally and an enemy is there anyway for judgement to focus the ally heal over the enemy hit?

[jaunty bone]

grit isnt working

[polar mason]

The approach of processing taking large amounts of time needs to be rethought. Four tin fragments taking 30 minutes to process is just absurd

I could literally fire up a crucible and make tin fragments in less time than that

[soft rock]

anybody got any recommendations/guides on dps summoner builds?

[dark robin]

Hover cast

[versed viper]

I hover cast but not dual targeting and if I have an enemy targeted but hover cast a friendly it will still cast the damage skill. I have to physically click the friendly to get it to heal them.

[oblique kettle]

anyone got a good build for fighter

[rigid jewel]

@barren forumturn on mouse over for heals

[hushed zephyr]

This game has no builds.

[oblique kettle]

https://ashescodex.com/builds/page/1

.......................

[hushed zephyr]

you build damage on DPS classes and take the same 25 skills out of 30 on every class? I need a guide for that.

[oblique kettle]

Superb advise, thanks

[hushed zephyr]

There is no variance because there are no options. What, you think you're going to build disable evasion on a mage or something? You build power, crit, a bit of HP if you pvp

and skip a couple useless talents

[trim geyser]

For a fighter, what better strenght, power, physical damage as stats first?

[cursive fiber]

lol. if you think summoner is good, you clearly have never played one in another game. its bad. and sadly mine just hit 25 with radiant gear. its still bad. whoever designed that had no idea what identity was supposed to be, its all over the place

[little yacht]

Bro is self reporting his ignorance

[dark robin]

I'm not sure what to tell you, but that IS how it works. If I'm fighting am enemy and hover my ally, it'll cast judgement on my ally

[clear adder]

Yeah, there’s actually quite a few options for mage

You can go full glass cannon, all power, you can go beefcake all HP, or speed mage

[exotic raptor]

you wouldn't know big dam if it bite you

[exotic raptor]

A rogue can not "blink" away (im guessing you mean shadow step as that is the only thing that is vaguely like a blink). That skill requires a target and you shadow step toward it. Any form of DoT will kick a rogue out of stealth (only need like 5% damage to break stealth).

[midnight root]

We can grapple away. We can also cleanse dots and smoke bomb to stealth if we get knocked out of it

[forest fern]

You dont know a thing about me little boy

[jaunty bear]

Isn’t axe better for melee than sword? Due to axe being able to increase dmg and speed?

[forest fern]

Axe is very strong, in all reality you could run whatever strongest wep you have and be fine, iv grown to like sword/axe more than daggers for the larger base hits, i havent tested alot of spear but heard its also pretty good

[versed viper]

Don’t know what to tell you but it doesn’t for me. Bug I guess.

[solid pendant]

should i vendor rare stones or do people actually buy them

[neat hatch]

Wrong chat, but rare is pretty good to sell on markets

[jaunty bear]

but as far as an increase in dmg and dps wouldnt axe be the better overall choice??

[neat hatch]

Swords generally have more speed than axes. Really depends on what situation. Tanks with high speed on swords generate more threat than with slower axe

[jaunty bear]

asking questions to learn sorry if they come off weird LOL i was told penetration is the best stat to get for dmg increase. so im debating on axe vs sword. i know they both give speed

and i cant find anything on intial speed of each weapon

[neat hatch]

Penetration appears to be a broken stat on weapon and no longer needed. It once was really good. I still want to do more testing to see. I used to have all the penetration blocks picked but now I don't and I haven't noticed any change in damage

[jaunty bear]

understood, ty!

[neat hatch]

Ye. I am also a firm believer any weapon is viable. Just take the time and read the skill trees and see what benefits you most both when solo and with group.

[exotic raptor]

awwww the 3rd grade insults come out. Good job little buddy, I knew you could do it ❤️

[forest fern]

Keep going sport

[weary pumice]

Can we not measure dicks in a chat about archetypes.

[forest fern]

My dick little my dps big

[torn storm]

As a summoner, if I do not take defensive transmutation, does my vessel just match the defense type I am wearing?

[placid dragon]

What adept gear should a tank be looking for? Idk what to search for on marketplace lol

Ashen haunt looks good but is kinda pricey since it's blue. Is there anything white or green?

[fleet atlas]

pretty sure that's how it works. i've tested toggling it and don't really see a difference though.

[livid ravine]

I'd recommend luminous concord and I think its the sunscorched? Both have fortitude as their trait

Downside, the concord is from the anvils and sunscorched is the desert

[whole violet]

from PvE perspective is it crazy to run heavy armor as fighter

[torn storm]

Just thinking of how to potentially save points and also make myself tankier if there are even any good heavy armor sets that favor spellcast

[fleet atlas]

we have like 2 heavy sets that work for magic right now

[vapid dirge]

Is it just me or do abilities not really flow well together? I'm playing ranger and when I try to use abilities in quick succession, I'm having to spam a button multiple times to get the next ability to come out - It feels clunky like its missing a buffer system

[worthy violet]

Any protips on how to solo grind with a mage?

[clever jungle]

When are secondary archetypes planned to release again?

[zinc sierra]

Which are ?

[solid pendant]

I found ranger to be the clunkiest class to play. All the other classes I played feel really good, smooth and snappy. Ranger needs a complete rework imo. Too many long cast abilities for starters. Ranger should feel like a mobile machine gunner, not a slow casting mage from classic wow.

[azure isle]

OK Clerics, @ level 17, what gear should I be wearing? Cant seem to find any peices of gear that use Wisdom/men. Additionaly, why ow hy Steven, did the Greatsword become the clerics bis 😮

[zenith elbow]

What class is least played jw or hardest

[solid pendant]

Hardest I would say Rogue. Least played I would say tank at higher levels above 10.

[zenith elbow]

@solid pendant ty spacey

[sudden ember]

Bard Saga: the silent pantheon is a litle OP

both relative to the other sagas, and it's just too strong.

[livid ravine]

You can only be a citizen of one settlement and it generally gives you a tax break on services like crafting stations and purchases along with expanded storage

You do need to pay taxes however, which cost more the later in the settlement's development you joined

Think its 8 dull dust per month at present for a level 3-4 settlement

Think that might be a bug, it should only ask for 1 tax certificate per month

Yeah its one commission's worth at the moment though thats likely for ease of testing and not the true cost

[elder belfry]

Does it have disadvantages when I use heavy armor as a mage?

[neat hatch]

1 tax is only for the first time you become a citizen. There's a few things that can increase or reduce your taxes

[livid ravine]

Ah, fair enough. Not really had much to do with the settlements

[devout aurora]

Nope! Only reduce ur magic def

[drowsy sierra]

Guys, any higher level fighter may help with PvE tree? what would u change / recommend etc? what u are runing urself. Im currently lvl 13 and wonder how to build this tree

[subtle sleet]

Ranger: short or long bow and why? Weapon tree insight?

[devout aurora]

Longbow pvp
Shortbow pve

[weary pumice]

I personally don't mind the longer casts, but they need to be stronger for the cast. Tera Online had a fun archer class with alot of charged attacks and some fast ones.

Mine is showing 84. Makes me not want to bother with the citizen thing. Correction. My taxes, just went up and it says 206.

[sonic lodge]

Clerics, what weapons are we looking a for 20+ I'm currently on spellsword/shortbow, but leaning towards spending the money on a book to go with spellsword, or a wand+focus

[maiden karma]

is there an way to craft rootforged ?

[fickle parrot]

Yo rangers, what can i do for mana issues

[solid pendant]

https://tenor.com/view/anthony-adams-rubbing-hands-together-spice-adams-vyd3n-meme-man-behind-tree-meme-gif-2569343513927502347 when there's a mass dc in a grind spot and you're the first one back

[raw yew]

just wondering how this resonant weapon of bard works, correct me if im wrong but if i use my pensive melody and just auto attack i will give mana to my party?

[acoustic anvil]

There were rumors of a healer discord around - any have a link?

[atomic beacon]

You have to have resonance stacks that you get by casting abilities, and you can stack up to 10.. you consume these stacks with weapon finishers for mana/health/damage.

the circle around your class icon shows how many stacks you have

[odd granite]

Was able to tank solo summoner 2 days ago against the minos, now I'm struggling against them just 2 levels above my level and the desync/bug with the guardian doing nothing is making wanna smash the keyboard.

[trim geyser]

no blitz not good, and get berserk

[mint slate]

some heabvy id needed as it holds heavier phys resist profile and especially as melee class like fighter alot the damage you take is physical, common setups are 5 med 3 heavy or 3 med 5 heavy

[mint slate]

when you use abilities you get a stack of resonance, the dances give one at start and a 2nd at full completion of the dance and these can bank as far as 10 stacks and when you trigger finishers from basic attacks resonance will consume 3 stacks to proc the extra effect of whatever melody you are running so you will need use abilities to keep the stacks up, i generall over use slide and quick wit to keep stacks up then spam basic attacks for the extra mana procs

[mint slate]

very late game i know wand is favoured but i think thats partially cos the wand possible drop from tumok world boss but book isalso very viable, your melee weapon is almost going to be a stat stick, i personally favour spell greatsword but you can use anything that have favouring stats on it for you

[analog topaz]

https://discord.com/channels/256164085366915072/1455830776301224088 thoughts?

[hallow aurora]

Isn't that about 1g every 2 weeks? That's still well worth it for most semi-active players.

[livid ravine]

That depends entirely on the return for paying said taxes, if you're only using storage and the occasional market stall then that 1g's worth of glint is hardly worth the outlay

Given the current direction of the game, one of mindless grind punctuated by occasional PvP, I dare say adding on yet another tedium to the pile is not going to be favourable

[tender herald]

Hello, there is some summoner global feedback ? Like we are missing a core ability to instantly summon our pets ( with cd ) , or otherwise we suffer too much from pvp since we have our clunky ai pet to manage and all the problems , plus low damage overall ..

[stoic silo]

I think something broke with the Summons, as you are not alone.

[granite hedge]

is the Cathartic proc for bards resonant weapon considered physical dmg?

[zinc sierra]

look like it

it should scale off your highest power stat tho

[vale zealot]

what armor are all you clerics trying to build right now? trying to stick to heavy primarily for pvp purposes but having trouble getting a hold of graveplate recipes for the guild

[mint slate]

See how the damage is in red/orange kind of colour, that means physical damage as things doing magical damage would have theirs in purple ish text.. this is type of damage done not scaling type enemy

[simple hazel]

Alright team… where’s the tank discord at

[glad cloak]

No class discords that I know of. Someone was pushing a bard one in in but I think it’s just self advertising / ded

[vapid ruin]

any pro mage around ?i have critical question

[odd granite]

yeah, that shit is AIDS, it sucks. Or the one where I use an ability 3 times in a row and my summon just comes up to me like everything's fine, nevermind the enemy is trying to kill it.

[sacred widget]

Can a cleric use wand and FOCUS together?
It won’t let me use both weapons together.

[versed viper]

It should yes. Sounds like a bug?

[sacred widget]

That’s what I think.

[proper latch]

Drag and drop

[sudden ember]

what significant CC or debuffs do classes apply? Are there some of the dps classes you want for their debuffs on enemies?

[brave canopy]

Wish the summoner pet was a mount

[livid ravine]

Speaking from a tanks perspective anything with an interrupt is great, like a trip or silence. Theres a lot of mobs that use big hits and when you're tanking 5-6 of them at a time its impossible to see them coming, mainly thanks to the sheer amount of glitter they've thrown on skills like its some kind of asian fantasy

[sacred widget]

@versed viper @proper latch It is indeed a bug, today it allows it, thanks

[meager shuttle]

Ranger root is the best all around

Good range and good size which is fast applicable which makes good to catch people which forces them to use their cc break or die usually if you can capitalise on that root ofc

Bonus points if you yell "big root" everytime even when you miss em

[zinc sierra]

You can ask your question, will try to answer a best as possible

[versed viper]

They could add something like an option to see cast bars under nameplates for mobs you're not actively targeting. Games like WoW do that IIRC. You could suggest it under the Feedback forum.

[livid ravine]

I believe its been suggested already, perhaps something that'll be added in the polishing phase in beta if they take it up

[visual moon]

So I've been enjoying tank a lot but not sure exactly what subclass I'd go with. Fighter is definitely an option if I want a more damage heavy build, but I feel if I wanted more battlefield control to keep my team safe and enemies debuffed and allies buffed, what would be best? Probably Cleric?

This is more theorycrafting for whenever subclasses get added in.

[livid ravine]

For battlefield control you might be looking more towards bard or possibly summoner, cleric will likely be self healing/cleansing

[lost minnow]

Is there a recommended archetype for players that don't like tab target and rotations?

[meager shuttle]

Cleric i suppose?

And theres not really rotations kinda, more like abilities that interact with each other you use when up

This isnt like wow where you focus down a target (strictly pve) you aoe em down which you dont really need to tab target for, you could even play action cam which is quite janky

Meele auto attacks are cleave which doesnt matter what target you have as long you hold attack (or have active target with setting), since it attacks in front of you

[livid ravine]

Theres not a premade rotation since you pick and modify the skills you use so it becomes a matter of timing, other than that tab target is really only used for single target skills or theres the cam Daven mentioned. Doesn't change much though

[wild cliff]

What do summoners think of the skill bond and mutual bond? Does you taking damage allow you to be more efficent with the tank pet?

[open badge]

hello pals anyone playing dps bard or has tested it?

[meager shuttle]

pvp strong, pve not so much

[edgy wraith]

I have definitely felt a difference in the amount of damage the pet seems to take when it is active. Worth it? That's subjective. I like the skill, but wish I had a way to heal. If the heal from Spirit Shred was shared also that would help a ton.

[wild cliff]

Since spirit shred, mortal blast, and reconstruct all heal the pet, and amplify can boost that healing plus give you essence, I assumed extract vessel would be enough to heal you

[edgy wraith]

Sure... out of combat. Doesn't make sense to take HP from your summon while they are tanking damage for you.

[open badge]

is it good for zerging or its too niche specced as dps?

[meager shuttle]

not really niche but you can burst people crazy hard if you have enough power with a shortbow or wand with resonance stacking i believe

if you wanna learn about bard id recommend look for whoisroxis on yt he has a guide

good player

[open badge]

oh I’ve watched fee videos, thanks brother!

[neat hatch]

DPS Bard is useful in almost every situation as you are also buffing your partys damage. It excels in pve.

And PVP

[exotic raptor]

Anyone try to find a way to use the healing power of phycial rapiers?

[meager shuttle]

watch me autoattack instead of casting nimble, what gambit? gotta cast fire castle bullshit

[dense lantern]

What stats on Rouge should I be looking for on gear?

[scarlet garden]

I could be wrong but this is still the case https://discord.com/channels/256164085366915072/1437971948037734411 .-.

[untold patio]

urge to reroll a tank so I don't have to deal with tank players... rising

[mint slate]

Then you get to deal with the (D)umbmoves (P)er (S)econd people,, theres no escaping bad players

[vestal ermine]

Ughhhh it was just getting good

Also hieeee gurls and guys!

[untold patio]

ah, but when I'm a tank player I can whine in party chat for hours and no one will kick me

[odd granite]

Summoner is generally one of the best utility classes because of Void, Affliction, and Suppression Ray.

Void drops down a massive AoE that silences enemies within it for the entire duration they're in it, and out of it, they remain silenced for 4 seconds. Suppression silences for 4 seconds as well as exhausts, channeling ability. And affliction applies weaken. Generally speaking, a Summoner in a group kind of allows the Tank to turn off his brain every now and then.

[odd granite]

haven't touched that because I think that skill is a goddamn meme.

no MMO does that method because it is generally the fastest way in killing said summoner. Diablo 2 used to have it with the blood golem, they fucking removed that in the future updates FOR A GOOD REASON.

[hollow summit]

Any recommendations for weapon (melee and range) for cleric?

[odd granite]

popping that golem out would practically be a death sentence for the necromancer. Applies here with the summoner.

[wild cliff]

it's togglable, so can turn it off if health is getting too low. Still not worth it?

[toxic sapphire]

I just hope when we have all 64 classes some of them are minion swarm builds. Going to be disappointed if necromancers and every other summoner variant get a single strong minion like the current system.

Would love to see some of the summoner variants/secondaries get highly disposable minions too. Like “Blade summoner” (Fighter/Summoner) having their abilities create and enhance blades that fight for them for a few seconds.

[ember folio]

Hi all. Creating my first character. I have allways liked the Tank class but i am also a filthy millenial hipster archetype irl so what is the least common type?

[winter plover]

Tanks are great, and in demand, it'l make grinding groups easier and TBH pulling in this game is very easy. You'll die a bit, but no more than your groups clerics or idiot DPS who stand infront of frontals.

Otherwise, I reckon mages are in short supply.

[hazy wagon]

Is it weird to think rogue feels weak without some sort of physical evasion skill besides smoke bomb? Like fighters just dumpster it

If your cc misses its gg

[open badge]

I checked whoisroxi vids and I realized that indeed is a great addition in pve as well!

[wild cliff]

Has anyone figured out how the scaling on your pet's health works? Does magic power boost it? Does it not scale with anything other than your level? Cause we can increase our character's health with gear and food but there's nothing for the pet

[glad cloak]

Seems random idk

[storm garnet]

Haha I was just going to ask the same question hellstocker. The pet scaling seems really wonky. Even the skill that converts your mag def and def to the opposite on pet doesn't seem substantial.

I wish they had a stats window so you can see if what affects. I hit 21 yesterday and I'm about ready to roll a bard or something else.

[fading creek]

Everything the bard does requires finishes i.e. auto attack wtf you talkin bout lol

[winter plover]

What sets are clerics rocking at 25?

[twilit patio]

Can ranger solo grind decently? My fighter seems OP for solo grinding early on, Whirlwind can take out 4-6 mobs at a time.

[quick path]

i mean you could read the wiki. summoner mixes will be 1 pet. summoner summoner will be 2 pet. summoner/cleric for necro will be 3 small or 1 big. that is the plan

[quick path]

seems to scale based on which pet is out. tank seems to scale with level and con. dps pet and heal pet scale with level and int. swapped later on to dex to see if it would effect hunter but dropped damage

[wild cliff]

The scaling of the pets seem to go with the main stats. Constitution, intelligence, mentality, etc. Not the waterfall stats like power, health, etc. And that's for all the pets. Guardian's damage scales with int just like the hunter and vis versa with const

[lilac zenith]

Hows summoner fare up vs fighter for solo play at 25?

[wild cliff]

Wish I knew. Im only 16

[coarse gale]

lol im level 7, my entire guild is level 25

im so behind

best way to level up?

[obtuse pendant]

chop trees

[hazy wagon]

https://i.imgur.com/SYyJvrJ.png is this just not working cause it doesnt apply to stats

6% is default

none of the weapon skills apply

[neat hatch]

did you have that in your hands?

[hazy wagon]

yeah..even removed the skill reapplied it and reapplied my weapon and took the screenie

6% no change

(should be 11%)

[neat hatch]

check if either maag or phys crit evasion change, and if not /bug it

[hazy wagon]

yeah they didnt checked

none of those bonuses apply to the stat page so dont know if it's being stealth buffed

i did hear the 2.5% pen one is working and there's not even a pen stat, so dunno

[neat hatch]

pen has been a busted stat for a bit. no idea if it works as intented at all right now

[little yacht]

pen lowkey garbage

[toxic sapphire]

Yeah sorry, I don’t use the wiki because I’ve gone there for specific information and not found it several times.

Pretty basic stuff too

[hazy wagon]

not sure how much weight it holds but someone who specifically tested it said this is bugged and actually reduces damage https://i.imgur.com/tAgqJx4.png
and some ranger pen ability works

https://i.imgur.com/jpZapY4.png - this works

power through doesn't work apparently

https://i.imgur.com/paG5LH7.png ok this actually changes stats so im going to assume the others are actually bugged

[neat hatch]

probably some bugs

[hazy wagon]

ok i'm just stupid

i had my daggers wielded swapping out the bow skill: tldr they work

[neat hatch]

also if you did just before reset things will hang for a while before youre kicked

[hazy wagon]

😂

i forgot i had to actually weapon swap not just have it equipped smh

atleast it works

[neat hatch]

yeah thats what i meant earlier that you needed it in your hand

[little yacht]

they all work

they just have such a minimal effect

[exotic raptor]

Do you have the weapon out or do you have the other weapon out?

nevermind didn't read far enough, its already been answered

[vernal dagger]

How does bard do for solo over content like I see tanks at 25 doing solo SB for emblems and the like can a bard do solo glint or sb farming?

[polar wadi]

for all the fighter types out there what gear sets are yall rocking

[quick path]

probably cause its a test and things keep changing or its word of mouth and someone half assing

[drowsy sierra]

Best weapons for ranger? longbow +? or mby shortbow instead of longbow?

[weary pumice]

Longbow

[drowsy sierra]

and for secondary anything with good stats i assume

[edgy gust]

what class need a rework according to you guys? (Except for Fighter wich is too easy to choose)

[quick path]

dont matter thier all getting rework before subs but cleric and tank are oldest and most due

[upbeat solstice]

How's mage in pvp

[meager shuttle]

Kinda mid, has good dmg output but thats about it

[weary pumice]

For Melee, just use a stat stick. Ranger has enough mobility to be able to keep distance.

[drowsy sierra]

dagger it is then

[sterile grail]

What's a good int/mag armor set for radiant?

[versed viper]

Bards are in high demand. Not enough but at least one needed in every party.

[odd granite]

I mean in a perfect world, I'd love to see Beast Master able have the same setup as the beast masters in WoW in terms of selection of animal model for their summons.

[versed viper]

Wand/Focus ranged and melee whatever gives you the best stats.

[odd granite]

still don't understand why Fighter needs a rework. High level experience shows them exploding people left and right and taking heads.

[sterile grail]

just hit 20 on my bard - Looking for advice on armor sets atleast their names to look into

[odd granite]

slooooooooooooow.

in terms of leveling and solo play, Summoner, if you're trying to use the Guardian as the tank for mobs, has a pretty meh clear time, probably the slowest? Damage Bard might be slower?

[fickle parrot]

Hi.
Im playing a rogue. Levelling from 20 to 25 seems like quite the job for a rogue and in these grinding xp farms.
Are they not really melee friendly, im afraid i will spend more time dying than fighting these in melee