#alpha-two-archetype-chat

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void juniper
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drag the summon spell from skill tree to bar from where you put points in. I had it lingering from switching spec and that button wouldn

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wouldn't work, but the fresh one from skill tree did

forest fern
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what is the best weapn for rogue? online seems to go back and forth between greatsword or dagger

cyan patio
meager shuttle
outer phoenix
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does anyone know if you lose access to any skills while using greatsword on tank

meager shuttle
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no

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your skills are not weapon type depended

dark robin
# forest fern what is the best weapn for rogue? online seems to go back and forth between grea...

As well as what Daven said, it’s useful to read all abilities for synergy. For example: a cleric has smite which makes a target with burning get conflagration. However, outside of judgement, they don’t have any other source of burn(minus bless weapon proc), but a wand or book has a finisher combo that causes burn. Therefore, it’s beneficial to use those weapons on cleric for increase burn

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Rogue might have that with bleed or what not

austere jolt
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Rogue abilities seem mostly centered around “advantage” which I believe you can only get from rogue abilities

proud rampart
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I think by far bard has the most synergy with weapons in general. Most of ur damage comee from stacking debuffs and all weapons cause debuffs

true bear
austere jolt
true bear
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just havent seen many people playing rogue other than myself and it's kind of tough learning that class with alot of the vague descriptions of abilities and status effects

fading lichen
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Is there any reason to or not to use a 1h axe/shield as a bard?

austere jolt
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It is yeah. I haven’t spent too much time picking apart the ability descriptions to learn how to min/max everything

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I know the Feint ability gives you Advantage and advantage is what triggers your improved dodge ability that costs only 30 stamina

true bear
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took a bit to realize backstab was an extension of the stab ability and not just extra dmg dealt when hitting an enemies back

austere jolt
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What do you mean? I thought Backstab was just using the stab ability but from behind the enemy lol

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Oh yeah the stab ability changes to backstab when you’re behind the enemy

true bear
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when i first saw backstab as a description it wasnt from the stab ability so i assumed every attack dealt to an enemies back was backstab

tender smelt
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Anyone know how to bring up the advanced tooltip on skills etc? @here

austere jolt
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I’ll play closer attention when I play next but I’m pretty sure if you get behind the enemy it changes your “stab” ability to “backstab”

true bear
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yea it does

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i never noticed it till i used my stab and i did extra dmg and backstab showed up on the enemy

austere jolt
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But yeah they should definitely make that more clear. Because the rogue has some great combos that’s are centered around backstab

true bear
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my biggest problem is with the stealth skill because with everyone around its near impossible to use when i want to farm mobs

austere jolt
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Yeah it’s hard. The stealth system needs some work. It seems that they are wanting the stealth to work similar to a DnD perception based system but it seems very buggy and inconsistent at the moment. Running away from some mobs, I round a corner, enter stealth and they still just keep chasing me lol

true bear
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its a good skill i'll combine it with backstab, lacerate and flurry or acrobatic strike

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i can tell this game got a lot of inspiration from games like lotro and new world

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just trying to understand and improve as rogue without meta builds and guides

mint slate
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Guides I'm sure are out there but I respect the want to self learn, meta on the other hand doesn't really exist and I'm sure in next few months all classes with have a balance pass and things will change again but your in right path just play, find what works for you and most importantly have fun enjoy the game

austere jolt
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That’s why I’m enjoying the grind heavy level progression. It’s a good chance to really spend time learning how my class works and how to use its abilities effectively.

Respect to the min/maxers if that’s what they enjoy but in my opinion that’s how people get burnt out. It’s always about who can progress the fastest and then it’s those same people who complain about the lack of content

true bear
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WoW currently

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even wow classic has that problem

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and i think this game has potential and we dont have to worry about dungeon gatekeeping now no you get kicked if you're not running this build or class it's a place where everyone is on equal playingfield of learning which is an mmo i've been waiting years for where im not late because other people have been playing years and metas are the standard

queen monolith
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What kind of armor weight would i want to look to run as a bard? Medium armor with mag power/wisdom/intelligence/constitutiojn?

proud rampart
true bear
true bear
hushed zephyr
raven aspen
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do we have any guide for rogues or any discord?

raw yew
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is mage going to be a slow casting burst class until level 25 or u can build it an instant caster

limber gorge
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just curious and totally not going to build it but if theoretically if someone goes high priest and tries to do a melee build... how can i do it? of course theoretically.

void juniper
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Is there any sort of general feedback form for archetypes? I like the direction summoner is headed atm but I do have some critiques. The pets seem fairly well designed from a gameplay standpoint, but it's kinda odd to me that you basically have access to all 3 pets at level 1 with all their abilities unlocked with no alternative ability options, and slots on the skill tree get essentially wasted with "unlock next pet" slots.

I don't really get the sense of progression when all 3 pets have basically the same skin, and you don't really get any pet upgrades besides minor talent augments as you go. It doesn't really compare with for instance, warlock in classic wow where you constantly train your pets and getting a new one is a big deal.

Also why tf does the essence bar have to be this tiny unmarked circle? Let me see the number and have an actual bar!

proud rampart
proud rampart
limber gorge
tardy umbra
limber gorge
tardy umbra
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Yeah, it's in a separate cluster from where you get the quest. VERY unintuitive

limber gorge
proud rampart
river dust
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The solo Bard experience seems a lot harder. I go cloth for the stats but now I'm finding that grems and wolves 1 lvl above me can take me out if I'm not careful even when running heal melody and extra heals.

limber gorge
proud rampart
limber gorge
proud rampart
limber gorge
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wlp time to heal people

proud rampart
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😛 ahead of ya on that one

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limber gorge
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Nice except i heal random people and walk away lol

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Then go to the next one

proud rampart
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i heal whoever wants to pvp lol

limber gorge
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Haven’t had that happen before very curious tho

proud rampart
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ive pvp'

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pvp'd more on my bard than on my rogue lmao

limber gorge
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Yeah I only got my cleric

thorn cove
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anyone know what summoner is like in pvp situations?

tender smelt
true bear
onyx tulip
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severely lacking in CC/disengage

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probably be pretty solid in large scale pvp, but like 1v1's trash

proud rampart
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ive fought a few summoners in pvp on my bard. unless therye like 4+ above me in level they cant really kill me

proud rampart
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hmmmm this is confusing. so seems like once you get into journeyman armos, at least for base recipies, if ur playing a bard you need to go way away form heavy.

rustic verge
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Is there a good spot to give them feedback on the Summoner? Cause the summon system is awful right now.

hasty orchid
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anyone have a good summoner tree for 1-10?

ocean apex
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any recommendations on where to farm for summoner(intelegence) lvl 10 gear?

tropic nebula
dense wren
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cleric longbow or book?

true bear
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i'd say book

elfin coyote
astral prairie
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Thats the last time i got into general chat lol

mellow halo
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best PvE speed level class?

fierce current
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Rogue is pretty fast solo tbh.

agile otter
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guys is it alright to go with a book for mage? or should i use a wand?

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i figured that they are giving healing power or whatever. i've been using a book since level 2 and now my wand is dipshit

sacred gulch
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Summoner pets should take less damage from AOE's. They are basically useless in group content with mob AOE.

distant thicket
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Bard - Does anyone else feel like Jest and Mock should be on separate cooldowns and they should just do away with "Quick Wit" completely?

sturdy temple
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Clerics really need to understand auto-attack building essense. I'm still seeing clerics, even at level 15, that don't have a clue about resonance. In addition to that, I just grouped with a bard that had no idea about Melodies, and Resonance...

steady raven
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2 Questions about Summoner:

Do group heals of a cleric or Bard heal a grouped summoners pet?

Does the basic attack of the melee pet cleave?

proud rampart
proud rampart
mint slate
proud rampart
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higher tier heavy armors, at leat from my deep dive into receipes available, do not provide decent stats for bard. you end up getting injected full of phys crit + power

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you could run a 3 peace heavy. with it being head, pants, and pauldrons. as those will all benefit bard, but as for the rest it would have to be light in higher tiers to pump ur magic/mental/int stats.

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cuz ideally youd have Primary: Wisdom Secondary: Intelligence. Primary Def. : Const, secondary Def: mental

mint slate
proud rampart
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but also again bard really needs Wisdom

mint slate
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It's craftable. Like anything in this game the answers are out there you just have find them and not want free handouts and why even discuss endgame stuff when your not even there yet

stark chasm
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Do we know when second archetype is planned for? Just wondering 🤔

sour wind
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what type of armor do u prefer for cleric ?

thorn cove
wintry furnace
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When will archetype 2 come put ??

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I was thinking of doing like tank cleric

proud rampart
mint slate
mint slate
proud rampart
mint slate
mint slate
wintry furnace
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ok cool thxs

proud rampart
# mint slate the no heavy armor for magic users

higher tier heavy armors, at leat from my deep dive into receipes available, do not provide decent stats for bard. you end up getting injected full of phys crit + power
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[12:15 AM]Monday, December 15, 2025 12:15 AM
you could run a 3 peace heavy. with it being head, pants, and pauldrons. as those will all benefit bard, but as for the rest it would have to be light in higher tiers to pump ur magic/mental/int stats. so did you just like. ignore what i said or?

mint slate
proud rampart
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and the DB

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excuse me if i missed 1 chest peace. for you to say im "giving misinformation" when ur running 3 heavy rest light

mint slate
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yeah 3 heavy for some phy resist and 5 light for mag resists as a good magic class is going to be ranged and besides ranger phys playing right youll be taking mag damage, my armor split is resist profile based just cos i use light doesnt mean there isnt heavy options

proud rampart
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yeah so again ur running exactly what i said but somehow im giving misinformation...

mint slate
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you were claiming to deep dive and not find armor options when there is if you want something noone else is going to run

proud rampart
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literaly didnt say that? go read

mint slate
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"do not provide decent stats for bard"

proud rampart
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do not provide * DECENT* stats for BARD

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which they dont. including the one you linked.

mint slate
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so how has every bard ever in this game survived and are still in demand, if they had worse stats they would have worse output and would been dropped for more clerics

proud rampart
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wtf does that have to do with an armor peace?

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Buffs and cast times stack off of mentality

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bard needs mentality in its build. not just raw int.

mint slate
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did you join this game with steam release?

proper hearth
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Bring back ability for rangers to put the speed buff on their mount peepoRiot peepoRiot peepoRiot peepoRiot

mint slate
proper hearth
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i think having it on mount was actually good

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rangers had the mobility edge on long distances

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not being able to put it on mount makes it close to useless

true hull
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best class for solo farming/trades?

mint slate
neat hatch
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That was the legendary +20 gear

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Not fully realistic, but 3/5 heavy/light is a damn good build for bards with the right pieces

proud rampart
neat hatch
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You always want 5 for the light and force buffs

proud rampart
neat hatch
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Been annoyed all the gear in the anvils has fortitude and not force

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It's 8

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And then Cape and jewelry

proud rampart
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u right. forgot about the shoulders.

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3/5 H-L

neat hatch
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Yeah. Does wonders for bards that run solo or small groups

proud rampart
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yeah cuz the lower gear you can just run full H since it has no real "stats" outside of const. but once ur into apprentace gear it starts to make a difference. idk why i got flamed for this.

neat hatch
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I don't know either. Yeah, I don't really care what gear I get until over level 20 then I start moving towards what I need, but i take whatever until all slots are leveled up

fading lichen
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Are you supposed to use Mag Vs Phy weapons on certain archtypes? like as a cleric do I need weapons with only Mag attack over Phy to do any damage?

neat hatch
fading lichen
neat hatch
frosty void
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Heyo! Hoping someone has a few tips for me!

I am levelin a cleric, hoping to be somewhat of a tanky healer for pvp.

Currently im at level 13, my Mend heals for like 30-40. I havent really been able to find/loot any gear with healing stats on it yet - are my heals considered low because of that or whats the situation there?

I would love to see some pictures of whats considered good healer gear and Id love to know if using Heavy armor is viable or if i want to stick with light armor?

proud rampart
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but to be more specifiic. im playing bard and heal from like 45-70 depeding on skill. beleive ur a lil low but eh. not terribly

frosty void
nova quail
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anybody have a solid summ build or an idea?

proud rampart
quick path
mint slate
fading ledge
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Anyone can recommend a good spot for fighter solo at lvl 10?

proud rampart
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but highway group farm would def be better

fading ledge
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I don't think there are frogs anymore

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If you are talking about the camp north west of aven's end that was popular before EA

proud rampart
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nah its like, that little island north of halls

fading ledge
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Yeah there are no frogs there. Read somewhere they took them out some time ago

snow drum
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hello world

meager shuttle
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frogs were removed in p2 i believe

fading ledge
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I found a nice spot with spiders and undeads between aven's end and hoj. Solo at 9 wasn't too bad. Ended up duoing with a bard until lvl 10

zenith elbow
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So bard vs cleric what is best in a party of 3 to 4. 1 tank 2 dps

drowsy jolt
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bro im muting these news channels. the amount of pings is insane

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better yet, goodbye

meager shuttle
jade thistle
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yo where do i see how much essence i have as a summoner?
litterally jus tbeen guessing when the skill is suddenly highlighted?

ALSO does weapon matter at all since summoners have "Reduced weapon damage"
should i just buy stat sticks

wouldnt it be smarter to have a shield on summoner just for block chance?

meager shuttle
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around your class potrait

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weapons are mostly stats sticks at least during lvling and you can block also without a shield

proud rampart
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any serious group is gunna have both

zenith elbow
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Im ask my friend who is 1 of the dps to try cleric see if he likes it so I can be bard.

proud rampart
zenith elbow
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Ty hun

frozen cape
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guys which class has the most burst dmg , like oneshotting

meager shuttle
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ranger

mint slate
# frozen cape guys which class has the most burst dmg , like oneshotting

ive not played a rogue to see what they like but fighter i think has techicallt highest burst but the need to be in melee range makes it hard to fully utilise so imo i would say ranger get the best applied burst damage but its not mega mega gap if you played a different class they all have burst potential

frozen cape
meager shuttle
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ranger has higher burst than fighter

mint slate
mint slate
frozen cape
meager shuttle
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rogue not so much but with the current ttk later on it can be quite bursty

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ranger can pop people tho

radiant epoch
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I think the tank needs still a little tweak

mint slate
radiant epoch
mint slate
# radiant epoch How can I contribute? Forum?

few channels above this one in the discord you should see a 'alpha two feedback' channel, feel free to make a post there and comment with what feels off and why it feels off as well as things you do like and why they feel great.. intrepid brefer to hear the what and why/how it effects you rather then 'this sucks make the 5% to 10%' comments they not looking for players to give them a forced number answer but if you say hey i think mining sucks cos its to hard to find them and feels my time is wasted trying' style feedback they love that (and no rocks arent hard to find was using as basic example)

radiant epoch
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Gotcha!

frozen cape
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guys whats the best weapons for rogue ?

fallen mesa
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shortbow and daggers/greatsword

frozen cape
fallen mesa
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for both actually, the highest phys. dps

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but shortbow and daggers are great for combo finishers, stacking bleed and the flow just feels better

frozen cape
fallen mesa
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Physical power, Dexterity, strenght, phys crit, hitrate

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but its hard to find a perfect one.. for adept weapons, just take whatever gives the highest DPS

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and start min/maxing above lvl 20

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with a crafted item for example

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I also made a short rotation guide for rogues yesterday for the guild, but maybe you will find it useful

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Also remember that both items give you the stats 100% of the time, even if you never use your ranged weapon, your stats on that weapon still count

steady raven
fallen mesa
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yes, exactly

steady raven
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So my wound proc from longbow get activated even when I attack with me greatsword?

fallen mesa
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ah those perks.. im actually not sure.

steady raven
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Which perks did you mean?

fallen mesa
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the stats, like power strength and dex. are active always, but the weapon talents, im not sure

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im pretty sure the crit, penetration etc IS active for both weapons, but the finisher procc is weapon specific...

steady raven
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In the last Alpha phase I was able to proc "Bullseye" from my shortbow although I was striking with my greatsword that also activated swordmaster proc

fallen mesa
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i remember something like that happening on my mage too

steady raven
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So the passive bonuses from the weapon tree DO carry over even when the weapon is not active?
Did you test that?

fallen mesa
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i didnt. im going to as soon as i get home, but from previous alphas the "increased crit/penetration from weapon combo finishers" applied to both weapons

dire frigate
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Anyone have any good advice on what to be doin for early game tanks? Im wanting to be able to kill stuff SOMEWHAT quick

hybrid snow
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Hey Tanks is greatsword/mace viable? Or do i need to have a shield?

quartz pulsar
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Any experienced bard I could get some advice from in voice chat? Thanks

steady raven
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Slam for semi spammable

steady raven
dire frigate
steady raven
hard venture
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whats the best wep for a bard?

neat hatch
# hard venture whats the best wep for a bard?

Kinda depends. I've always enjoyed wand, and it used to be the best burst damage. Longbow is amazing for group PVP because you can get big hits with resonant procs without being in danger. On latest ptr because I could get my speed so high, I did best with a book

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But for the most part stats are more important than the type.

jaunty tusk
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Does anyone have info on how they plan on doing the second archetypes? Like is everyone gonna be able to choose cleric and heal their asses off?

dark robin
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No

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Theres more information in the wiki

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Its an AUGMENT. Watch Steven's interview with Esfand on Youtube and he talks about it a bit there. The classic examples would be like if someone goes Tank/Mage. Now, their 'Shield Bash' ability which was a dash, is now a blink instead, or has leaves an elemental trail(like fire) doing aoe damage

jaunty tusk
# dark robin No

Phew I love this game so much that's the only thing I was worried about messing it up for me

dark robin
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Supposedly, the first iterations of X/Tank and X/Cleric should come during their next 'milestone', so think end of March/early April

jaunty tusk
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Bet thanks for the info I'ma check the wiki

neat hatch
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Soulweaver here I come!

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And then it'll suck and I'll be stuck making a new Bard and go Bard mage lol

torn parcel
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is summoner better dps than a mage?

cerulean sorrel
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in groups, what is expected of me as a bard? what buffs are people expecting me to have for them?

neat hatch
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And you bounce back and forth between them. There is an ability called counterpoint to make that even easier, but I like to stay with harmony as my group fights quite a few levels above and the fights last long

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Also keep the tank as defensive target and keep hitting them with jest, it gives the buff glee which increases their healing received

robust canopy
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whats the priority for bard songs?

neat hatch
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Pensive*->menacing->cheerful for full groups, cheerful could be swapped for cathartic if healing isn't a problem from the clerics

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For solo things. I stick with menacing or cathartic

robust canopy
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many thanks

jaunty tusk
cerulean sorrel
mellow halo
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Could someone explain something to me that is causing me confusion, on my level 10 cleric, using the charge heal that charges up to 1000% healing power plus the percentage health missing talent, when healing someone around 25% the max I am seeing is 160-200,
Flash heal is around 17-45

On my level 8 summoner using the pets basic heal I am consistently healing 200-225

I feel something is out of place. On both characters I have the same gear and no physical power

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It seems incredibly disproportionate, my healing is extremely low being fully spec into healing as a cleric

wintry relic
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Summoners do less damage with all weapons (one thing) and clerics will heal more over time than the summoner pet

warm spoke
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Why can't I have a wand and book equipped as a bard? It only lets me use one or the other.

granite saddle
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You can only have 1 ranged weapon

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Two would be fucking stupid on some classes

untold patio
neat hatch
rustic prawn
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One Question ist the Prismatic Beam Combo still possible? Where u stack the Elements? I saw last time a mage with huge Prismatic Beam it loked like it was fire, ice, lightning and arcane togther? Is there a special skill combo for?

frozen cape
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guys as a rogue , what is the best gear for me , medium or light and what stats should i priotize ?

wintry relic
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Summoners: Anyone know why Siphon Vessel wont cast sometimes when you have enough mana and pet does too?

bitter ice
wintry relic
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prob not, just noticed the ring around my class

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with pet on autoheal it uses up the essence

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but its letting me body tank level 10 1* bear at 10 with healer pet, heh

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in light armor

bitter ice
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Yeah it does like to spam heal. Even when it is not needed. xD

wintry relic
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im mean all honesty, it pays more attention to me than a party cleric, i feel loved

mellow halo
true bear
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but only a theory i cant really see the code behind it so thats my best guess

mellow halo
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I wish that it had the number it was basing it off of,
My assumption was "1000% of your healing power" being the actual healing power stat

true bear
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i wouldn't know i've been playing rogue so im not too familiar with summoner and cleric i'm just making a guess based off low healing outputs based off the %

somber ingot
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I tried equipping my book but it keeps putting it in the secondary option (scepter as first option). I wanna use my book as my first option when entering combat. How can I do that?

true bear
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you can swap your items in combat using the q button by default

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its right by your sprint, roll, guard buttons

woeful atlas
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new summoner pets, they dont lag entire group either!

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hot briar
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Opinion on playing a rogue with a 2 handed sword or mace??

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2H melee and shortbow for quick attacks

true bear
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if you're not intending to min max or do dungeons/raids in the future id say go for it

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personally i use daggers with bleed deadly finisher to stack bleed and use lacerate to apply hemoraging for higher dot

sturdy temple
clear grove
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so here is my take on my favorite class, and only class i have ever played, the CLERIC. i have over 5000 hours on this class in played time, so the feedback i give, comes from the heart, and is in my opinion, the best feedback on this class you will ever get. You have nerfed this class to oblivion. There has not been a single buff to this class since its creation. you nerfed flash cure well before the 1st gear rework, and needs to be reverted back to its original glory. you have made it so that i cannot target myself with Wings, and cannot use it for its full utility. you scaled back the heals from magic power, so keeping any group up during a leveling run, is near impossible. you took away bunny hopping in any capacity so it is IMPOSSIBLE to create any distance in a fight now. i may as well stand still bc running away isnt even an option anymore. there is zero fun in 1v1 or pvp combat as a cleric anymore, and thats what i normally do outside of group dungeon content. there is ZERO class diversity at all. i just get to select my whole skill tree, and either give up deliverence, or soothing glow, take your pick. i get everything else. mega boring. you took away our good magic mitigation and nerfed it to 30% for what reason???? beats me i have no idea.

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there is no skill ceiling with movement any more, bc we all basically might as well stand still. i only have 1 cc ability on a 30 second cd, and 1 cc break on another 30 second cd. when other classes have multiple cc abilities. i can no longer jump off a cliff, and wings to the ground, when to rogue can jump off carphin, and grapple hook to the ground safely. the cleric has zero damage by the way, did i mention that? so if i want to do damage now, it comes at the sacrifice of any healing power. divine infusion is great, one of my favorite playstyles, because using divine essence for mana is completely pointless.

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i can keep going for at least another 5000 words, but ill keep it simple. this class, my favorite class, sucks now. thank you for making my favorite "test" boring as heck.

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this class need a FULL REWORK. as soon as possible.

clear grove
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MAKE CLERIC GREAT AGAIN.

woeful atlas
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maybe wait till the arch types are in...ever consider the nerfs were to make room for the additional arch types?

vapid dirge
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is ranger the only class with mana issues or is everyone like this? im only lvl 10 but i feel like im oom after every 3 or 4 mobs

ionic plume
vapid dirge
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aha ive swapped from keen edge to followthrough just now - also just picked up lightning reload so maybe it wont be as bad

ionic plume
deft ibex
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I can't decide if I want to main Tank or Healer. Ugh! I can't keep switching!

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Should healers be Physical, mixed, or magic def?

ionic plume
frozen cape
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guys as a rogue , what is the best gear for me , medium or light and what stats should i priotize ?

plain onyx
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Is there any class/archtype in this game that is thematacially like a Shadow priest from WoW

steady raven
visual tusk
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How do you guys find summoner damage atm? I played fighter in phase3 and fighter felt alot stronger.

steady raven
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I feel like dmg modifiers are low. AOE potential is there though

ember bridge
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can anyone explain to my why Fighters Battle cry doesn't work after being tripped when that's literally what it's supposed to do

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disable control effects

mint slate
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Is it just me or does rogue or particularly their stealth need to be rebalanced asap?

modest hatch
modest hatch
wintry relic
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i think mystic is the best pet, tank second, hunter third, but some people have amazing skill with hunter

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i just like mystic cause it doesnt get distracted healing me

neat hatch
solemn geode
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From what I understand the mains in a party build go like this 1 tank 1 cleric 2 bards and then whatever else for dps.

neat hatch
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Yeah, that's optimal. If you plan to try to go and fight 2-3 stars a couple levels above, swap a DPS for another cleric

coral tartan
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This feels redundant to ask, but is Tank going to be the only tank in the game, or will the class system allow other archetypes to tank in the future?

neat hatch
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Base tank will have the most aggro abilities. But there's a chance that other classes that pick tank as a secondary get aggro upgrades. I would think in non dungeon/ raid stuff you can tank fine with it as the secondary. And maybe be off tank in raids.

cinder scaffold
#

i pooped my pants this morning

neat hatch
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All 8 base archetypes are in. Don't know if they'll add more way in the future. And yes Bard tanking is already pretty viable with the right build 😄

versed viper
versed viper
neat hatch
versed viper
neat hatch
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They'll always be balances but right now Bard is in a good spot. But regardless of balances, secondary archetypes will give you things that will help in that way

rose island
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Once the second archetype system is implemented, is it just as basic as being able to pull abilities from each of the two chosen archetypes, or does the specific combination come with new abilities and flavor?

empty geyser
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does hover over party cast not work on pet abilities for summoner?

halcyon sable
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Did shatter get nerfed? About a month or two ago, I was crushing mobs by level 10, now it feels like the fire and lightning are hitting harder

ionic plume
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anyone know what makes scater shot hit twice sometimes with one cast? this was on cast.. hit 2 bears 4 times.. the 83 and 83 are the "extra hits"

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fathom seal
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This games iteration of Mage just doesn't feel good to me. Do they plan to change it around much or is this it?

neat hatch
frail tendon
craggy grotto
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If Bucky didn’t design the class, it’s boring pepethink

neat hatch
sudden ember
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death: 33:40
despawn: 39:40
exactly 6 min for loot to despawn, the same time as it takes to force you to spawn at a shrine

spark moat
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Does anyone know where to find that Wayward book of spells recipe?

warm spoke
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can you change it so the bard quik wit doesnt change back and forth from heal and dmg depending on the target?

mint slate
warm spoke
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TY

formal widget
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Just got the game, is there a dex focus fighter build?

versed viper
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each secondary archetype has 4 schools of augmentation, basically different types of magic or types of abilities that secondary archetype has. You can pick one of the 4 schools of augmentation to augment each of your abilities in a different way

burnt kayak
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what gear is best on a cleric?

half tangle
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What is the most mobile/fast paced archetype? I'd prefer something like what the Demon Hunter class is in WoW, or Blade Dancer in Blade & Soul if anyone is familiar with those. Enjoyed those playstyles the most, hoping there is something I take a liking to in this game too.

devout aurora
half tangle
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Thank you

lucid vapor
torn mist
calm juniper
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Does anyone notice small delays after using abilities on ranger like right after power shot and also using a ability then auto attacking

urban fiber
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any summoners haveing problems with the weapon and stamina skilltree that is reset and you cant fill them in again?

frozen cape
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guys im rogue , whats better for me long bow or short bow

azure crest
glad cloak
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Mage is supposed to also have earth powers I think? It’s the only class without a class resource still

past mantle
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Any rogues ran GS vs Daggers yet and know if it's still worth prio'ing GS's?

mild cloud
gritty prism
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Do any classes beside bard either buff the group or debuff the mobs? Is there a melee support (tank not withstanding)?

neat hatch
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Not always whole party, but buffs from heals and abilities

versed viper
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Clerics also have the Volatile debuff we can apply along with some CC's and can remove buff via a combo

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I'm sure other classes have similar but Bard specializes in buff/debuff/mana regen support

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You can make your Bard melee if you want, that's just weapon and gear choice which every archetype can do

gritty prism
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cool thanks yall

subtle sleet
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Long or short bow for Ranger and why?

spark moat
mild cloud
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I think adventurer but not 100%

spark moat
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Yeah I may have messed that up then 😬🙁

queen helm
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Any good Summoner guides out there? trying to learn the mechanics etc

tulip berry
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is there a website to find builds at?

dark robin
# tulip berry is there a website to find builds at?

Builds? No, not really. In the current iteration of the game, at level 25, you have access to 99% of your skills. Builds will become more relevant with augments and team compostions.

That said, for general knowledge and gear/crafting calculators, theres the site https://ashescodex.com/

AshesCodex
Ashes Codex | Ashes of Creation Database

Ashes Codex | Ashes of Creation Database - database, map, guides, interactive calculators and tools for Ashes of Creation.

tulip berry
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but ty ill take a peak at that

neat hatch
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Reason being, the gear that has set bonuses are extremely tough to craft and they do not drop from mobs

near rapids
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If I want to tank when the secondary archetypes comes out can I just pick secondary tank or will I need to go tank first?

neat hatch
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Only tank base is going to have all the aggro options. Any tank secondary will probably be at best a small off tank

tulip berry
near rapids
neat hatch
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Getting level 20 weapons will carry you a lot. I got lucky by trading for a 20 2h axe and then a wand drop. But I'm still rocking a level 3 focus...

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As crafting comes up, look into the level 26 things, these don't seem too daunting to make

tulip berry
neat hatch
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Pretty sure like 3 of my pieces have random phys stats, but it's only 1 of the 3 waterfall and the rest still help me

tulip berry
neat hatch
# tulip berry coolio alright, thanks alot man

Of course! Also if you are new and didn't know. When playing with pick up groups, they need to set loot to need or greed for commons otherwise you won't always see what drops. I'm pretty sure this is why a lot of new players claim no gear exists

tulip berry
neat hatch
near rapids
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Do we have any idea when secondary archetypes are coming into the game?

hasty orchid
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anyone know why my Wand just constantly misses or hits between 2-5 damage even though i am level 17 and its an adept wand?

neat hatch
hasty orchid
neat hatch
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Also gotta ask, you using correct wand type? There's phys and magical wands

hasty orchid
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its a magical wand

inner halo
neat hatch
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Hmmm I can't remember any mobs having big defensive buffs there. In anvils there were some mobs that got stuck using a "taunt" ability and my damage would drop to like 2-10 a hit during it

hasty orchid
neat hatch
neat hatch
hasty orchid
neat hatch
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And missing is just cause your accuracy is probably low. The more stars and bigger level difference the more likely to miss when below 25-30% accuracy

inner halo
neat hatch
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Wand beam has many many hits that add up but every hit is rolled if it's gonna hit or not

hasty orchid
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ok i just figured t he white auto hits would be higher than a 2

neat hatch
neat hatch
hasty orchid
neat hatch
# hasty orchid 87

Yeah that might be right then. 2 star will have pretty good defense and I believe pretty much every enemy at seph is geared towards magic defense

hasty orchid
inner halo
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Welp, guess I'm gonna have a "fun" time when I get there huh

neat hatch
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Need moar gear!

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I'm only at 190mp at level 24 still.

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Need my ptr stats back. Had 792mp 😄

inner halo
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So basically we should carry 2 sets of weapons, one for phys and one for mag

neat hatch
inner halo
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I mean I have mag greatsword and book on mage

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I was thinking longsword/focus but longsword has more auto attacks before finisher

neat hatch
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Yeah, that's good. Magic weapons have been ass to get at higher levels

hasty orchid
neat hatch
normal saddle
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so, i thought summoner was going to have 3 pets at the same time or make them into a single stronger one. the pets feel pretty weak

fading lichen
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Does bard have decent damage? Or is it strictly support? How would their fare in a 1v1 duel?

normal saddle
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bard are great in 1v1 and 1vx

mortal igloo
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I would hate to pvp with multiple players that are summoners all summoning x3 mobs 😮‍💨

honest summit
normal saddle
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how is the tank going to work, it cant tank for a real group. its good for off tank as long as stuff isnt 2+ stars

mortal igloo
mint slate
normal saddle
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are you talking level 25 with bis? anything is viable with the best gear

proud rampart
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Having a nightmare of a time aquireing new gear for my bard tbh

next path
cedar grove
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is a cleric > tank build viable as a tank/healer hybrid? I want to be able to do both. I'm worried that all the physical skills in the tank tree will split my damage too much?

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or should I just stick with like bard and be a full support?

covert lynx
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Anybody got thoughts on the state of ranger?

covert lynx
cedar grove
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there are a bunch of threat tools in the tank kit, no?

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and healing generates a lot of threat

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as I've learned the hard way

covert lynx
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Secondary archetypes aren't out yet, and so we don't know exactly what itll look like but it sounds like the secondary modifies the primary class abilities for the most part?

cedar grove
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ohhh we don't even get them yet

covert lynx
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Nope.

cedar grove
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then I don't need to worry about it lol

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okay I can just keep doing melee scepter and shield with a book secondary and respec as necessary

covert lynx
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Yeah, just interesting to think about....their decisions there could really make or break the game ig, I hope they go crazy tho

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Yea clerics are awesome in this game I think

cedar grove
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yeah I hope if you go cleric > tank you can modify the physical abilities to be magic since your base class is magic

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yeah I'm loving cleric

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I just want to be a forge cleric in melee with a shield lol so trying to brute force it

covert lynx
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Yeah I really like the versatility you have in general

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Well Steven gave examples like, for a warrior primary, your secondary will modify your charge, so for a warrior/mage you'd have a blink, etc

cedar grove
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oh that'd be sick okay

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so maybe my dream has legs

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sounds like even they don't really know how it's exactly gonna shake out so I'll continue to pray

covert lynx
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Yeah I'm just wondering how they'd pull that off w cleric/tank it's a good question. Like modify stuff to build threat?

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Yeah good point that healing draws threat too, you lowk maybe onto something good honestly

cedar grove
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I think it's already possible. I'm pulling threat as the cleric all day long just by smiting and healing

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so I'm already doing that

covert lynx
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Yeah. The more I think about it it's really smart, but now your dmg not gonna be insane tho

cedar grove
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if they let you modify the bleed for burn/conflagrate instead of bleed/hemmorage or w/e it is

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we'd be in business

covert lynx
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Hmmm

cedar grove
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I mean as long as I'm unkillable and generating threat I can figure out the damage

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but tanking you're usually doing less damage anyway

covert lynx
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Yeah

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What's the cleric resource scale off of?

cedar grove
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wym? the damage scaling?

covert lynx
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Like for fighters it scales off of hits, so attack speed is good

cedar grove
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damage/healing

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flat

covert lynx
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Oh, interesting

cedar grove
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idk if they're equal or not but

covert lynx
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So the more you heal the more you can do cool stuff

cedar grove
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yeah

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which translates into either spending resource to insta complete a cast or consuming resource as it's available in lieu of health/mana costs

covert lynx
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Ahhhh

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That's cool

cedar grove
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so not of the utmost importance bc with the former you're out of mana if you use it too much

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and the latter you're just able to do stuff forever if you manage it properly

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but you miss out on an emergency button

covert lynx
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Right right

cedar grove
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an instant friendly smite cast has saved my bacon so, so, so many times

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if a pull is going to hell it's the only thing that can really get it back on track

covert lynx
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Good point. Problem is channeling also takes away from DPS

cedar grove
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exactly

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so it's a balancing act

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when I'm full healer I don't have time to dps besides AAs

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so it doesn't matter

covert lynx
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Right, makes sense

cedar grove
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and you need to be constantly channeling bc people are just always taking damage

covert lynx
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I wonder what cleric/fighter would be now

cedar grove
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that would be dope but the damage is even more of a problem because you're split

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and your damage is the priority there

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but that would be awesome as like a ret paladin

covert lynx
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Yeah exactly

cedar grove
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I figured I could more easily get away with the tank stuff bc the damage might not matter as much. even tho threat is based on damage

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like we've said, healing generates a lot too so

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hopefully with both I'm alive, burninating things, giving area DR, healing, etc. and able to tank

covert lynx
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I think you could 100 percent pull it off unless it's a massive raid and then they'd want a main tank

cedar grove
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yeah which at that point I still have full cleric

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and some DR utility stuff

proud rampart
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i think you should just play bard 😛

cedar grove
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but I could see you wanting an OT of sorts

covert lynx
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I like it tho cause the healers always want the tank to pull aggro off of them, and your idea solves this by doing both

cedar grove
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exactly

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lol Euphemia

proud rampart
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😄 shield 1h axe heal tank bard

covert lynx
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Esfand's bard hot bar....literally has it all filled

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cedar grove
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I'll probably try that on an alt at some point! a college of swords bard

covert lynx
proud rampart
cedar grove
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does he have skills from different spec 'loadouts' on there?

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that's what I do

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each skill has a button and I just keep them there as I hotswap the talents

covert lynx
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I have no idea but it looks badass

proud rampart
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thats literaly what i do... i have both my solo and group loadouts on the bars. and i just swap as needed.

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ill have to post my hotbars whenever the servers come back up

cedar grove
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this guy gets it

covert lynx
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Ngl I didn't know you could swap hotbars what

proud rampart
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u cant swap hotbars.

cedar grove
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there's a lock on the bottom left you can unlock and move skills around

proud rampart
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HOWEVER when you unlearn a skill. it doesnt remove from the bar

cedar grove
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is all you can do rn

covert lynx
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Ohhhh yeah that's commitment

cedar grove
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lol it's the only utility we have in that regard so

proud rampart
cedar grove
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you gotta use it

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oh I mean with the hotbars

covert lynx
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Gotcha, yeah I did mess with that w my summoner, and that did take up space as each vessel has its own like 4 abilities on top of all the general vessel controls

cedar grove
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man now I'm super excited to see how cleric > tank shakes out, thanks CJ!

covert lynx
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Great idea sulcrux I may steal it 🙂

cedar grove
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absolutely

proud rampart
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really thnk doing it with bard would be better

cedar grove
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LOL

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I think cleric > bard is what I'd do if it doesn't work out, pending them giving me six more hotbars

covert lynx
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Or do you mean bard > tank @proud rampart

proud rampart
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ok so im still new to ashes. i got in with the steam release. havent played cleric only bard but i feel like a Bard > tank would be more effective than a Clearic > tank

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u just get a more consistent sustain, espeically playing dual melodies.

cedar grove
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I'd love to hear why. love a good theorycraft disscusion

proud rampart
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at least from what i see cleric is all burst healing. bard has all hots and leach

covert lynx
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I think cleric also has a hard revive but I don't think you can self cast lol

cedar grove
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there are hots in cleric too but yeah it's more hardcast/pure healing

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which honestly I don't mind the damage is built into those skills

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and some utility

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the wave aoe also heals, the ground aoe heals and silences, etc.

covert lynx
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That's the one downside. You may not have a healer to revive you if you die as a tank. But you honestly may never die lol

cedar grove
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yeah I have a deathward too

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as cleric

covert lynx
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What's deathward?

cedar grove
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like if I have this buff on, if I'd go to 0 HP, I get healed instead

covert lynx
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Damn how long does that ward last whoa

proud rampart
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so youd run shield/1h axe. 3H 5L run cheerful and cathartic with anthem of Alacrity, then conflict and ur popping ur 3 stack saga. i think youd really tank hard.

cedar grove
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it lasts 10s and is a big HoT as well

covert lynx
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I don't think you can guard and cast at the same time, can you?

cedar grove
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I think that's also potentially viable, Euphemia, but aren't you missing out on a lot of survivability with Bard?

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for the most part no but that's fine you get windows to cast between guarding/attacking

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do you have any emergency buttons?

proud rampart
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not really? my hots with like 0 gear are ticking for 35hp every 2 seconds, with a 15% boost to 85 hp every 6. then running cathartic youd be doing a 25% leech ever 4 autos boosted by 15% by cheerful

cedar grove
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is your damage coming from AAs mostly?

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or do you have auras for that too

proud rampart
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if ur runing tank then yeah, youd get the massive boost from saga

covert lynx
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I feel like the point of a shield is to guard but that's hard when you also want to cast spells idk maybe I'm missing something

proud rampart
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sheilds are stat sticks and bards dont have many casts.

cedar grove
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you're getting the defensive stats too, no?

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I mean I do block stuff all the time

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and blocking stuff in the stamina skill tree gives you a stacking buff that increases incoming healing

finite karma
covert lynx
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Can you block magical? I assume with tank that's probably a thing but idk in general

cedar grove
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yeah you can

proud rampart
cedar grove
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you can block anything ime it just reduces the damage based on your shield's stats I think

finite karma
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Some shields (in prior phases) also had +magc dmg bonuses on top of the block chance...so it is relative to what you have going on

cedar grove
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I mean we're talking both, Euphemia

covert lynx
finite karma
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Instant Casting is literally a function of casting..are you oka?

cedar grove
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I'm able to slam out any cast instantly if I'm playing properly

finite karma
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They have channeled abilities as well...

proud rampart
cedar grove
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I think having a constant regen tank might be dope too tho, to your point

finite karma
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The instant casts play off the channeled casts...again

cedar grove
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personally I'm locked in on cleric whether the tank build works or not

finite karma
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are you okay and know waht you are talking about?

cedar grove
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lol why so hostile

proud rampart
cedar grove
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we were having a nice discussion

proud rampart
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melodies are instants.

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heals are instants.

finite karma
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There is no one way. Welcome to Ashes 🙂

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Wear a shield or dont

proud rampart
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saga instant.

finite karma
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Figure out why you shouldnt

proud rampart
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clash instant.

finite karma
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or why you should, and what that means

proud rampart
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so what exactly are you refering too?

covert lynx
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Yeah chill guys, but yeah we are talking about a main tank having a shield and also casting abilities, that's sort of the difference

finite karma
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All tanks will have a shield and should, you get a melee and shield, and a 2h weapon in range slot (or 1 and a focus)

proud rampart
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think you missed like the entire convo and are just interjecting at this point .-.

cedar grove
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and a tank class first build is gonna be guarding and using skills in between anyway so your action economy management is similar imo

finite karma
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Im pretty sure you dont know what youa re talking about 🙂 glad i could help though

covert lynx
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It's interesting I'm sure @cedar grove there are a few ways of going about it which is cool

finite karma
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Wait till you see tanks with a physical book

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might blow your mind

proud rampart
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wait until you read a converstaion before interjecting. would blow urs

cedar grove
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bro really coming in guns blazing with their superiority complex on full display

finite karma
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Start with your upper half

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bestie

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😉

cedar grove
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I'll have to try bard out tho, Euphemia, I appreciate the insight!

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and yeah, CJ, it'll be super interesting to see how the class combos and priorities end up influencing each other

covert lynx
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Good discussion guys theorycrafting is alI have when servers are down

cedar grove
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super excited to see how that shakes out on all fronts

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lol exactly!

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what build are you picturing for your main toon, CJ?

covert lynx
cedar grove
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heck yeah

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here for that

covert lynx
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I wanted to make summoner work but felt that the split HP and power ends up hurting more than helping

cedar grove
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oh interesting

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I haven't touched that yet

proud rampart
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summoner is a great troll class atm tbh

cedar grove
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I've only experienced summoners who didn't read their pet stances and keep pulling everything thus far so I'm a bit salty about them in general lol

covert lynx
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The hunter summoner is decent, you have a 10 second sleep on your vessel and do decent DoT dmg, but it's not a fully fleshed out class I feel yet

merry sparrow
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anyone tried summoner tanking? tbh its not bad

cedar grove
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the tank summon seems to not draw AOE aggro too well and also die really fast ime

proud rampart
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until the mystic gets fixed im very cautious of summoners in any xp farming party

cedar grove
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but again probably a skill issue

covert lynx
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Summoner tanking is just strictly inferior to normal tanking unfortunately and your damage is mid. It's fine for like versatility if there is no tank but meh

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Like the problem is that a main tank has double the hp of your summon and better stats probably

cedar grove
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I mean, again, if you're properly tanking you're more than likely sacrificing some damage somewhere to do it

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the summon is expendable tho

covert lynx
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Eh, tanks can be revived

proud rampart
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tbf tanks are expendable too

cedar grove
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;w;

covert lynx
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@cedar grove I mean just by virtue of defensive equipment the stats will be way better

cedar grove
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I'm coming from the perspective where no player is expendable bc you lose soo much

covert lynx
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And vessels can't truly itemize for battles

cedar grove
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I don't disagree with you on the equipment side given my experience

covert lynx
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The main thing is you can't stack constitution on a vessel to my knowledge

proud rampart
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personally atm i dont really want a summoner in my group. causes too many issues.

cedar grove
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yeah that's fair with the pet aggro stuff

proud rampart
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dc about the agro. mystic crashes games if summoned in combat...

cedar grove
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I've literally had summoners just not pull a pet out bc they don't want to aggro stuff and I'm just like.........use the other stances then?

covert lynx
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Also the move commands are buggy currently

cedar grove
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also true

covert lynx
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Yeah melee stance is way superior though for the hunter vessel

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But I hear ya

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That's the issue is that the vessels are so squishy

cedar grove
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I'm sure their scaling will be adjusted. it's way worse for the game if they're too survivable, imo

covert lynx
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Totally agree

cedar grove
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imagine summoners being the meta for tanking

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that would be a cursed timeline

covert lynx
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Yep. I mean I'm still holding out on necromancers being badass

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Summoner > cleric

cedar grove
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yeah

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that could be good

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idk what you'd really get out of secondary cleric tho

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that combo would probably have to replace the fire stuff with the summoner stuff

covert lynx
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I just think raising the enemies you just killed to fight w you is cool

cedar grove
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which then it'd be dope imo

terse harbor
proud rampart
covert lynx
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Oh yea. I've seen those issues

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That's for all summons

proud rampart
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ive done a lot of farming the last few days. ive only reaslly seen it happen with mystic. the tank and hunter seem fine

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but mystic. fuck it bye bye game

covert lynx
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Yeah I mean worst archetype rn? Summoner and rogue?

cedar grove
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oh and you can switch secondary archetypes!!! wait that's huge for me

covert lynx
cedar grove
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and then you're augmenting specific skills that's gonna be so fun to theorycraft

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they said that in an interview and a livestream, apparently

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you can't change them on the fly but seems like you can change them

covert lynx
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Ohhhh that's awesome

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As long as it doesn't cost a fortune

cedar grove
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yeah

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if I can switch between cleric>fighter, >tank, >bard, etc. I'll be so happy

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curious if I'll have to start as tank tho, that'd be sad

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for it to be viable

covert lynx
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That would be cool. Maybe this is vanilla, but I want to go attack speed max fighter and maybe ranger secondary? Idk

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Also. Question. Does the 150% damage mean that skills scale off of physical power as opposed to weapon damage?

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Like would my fighter abilities do same damage w a dagger vs a great axe with equal physical power?

cedar grove
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what are you referring to specifically, the damage calculation in skill tooltips?

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I think that is a percentage of your weapon's damage

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or like your physical power in that case

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if that makes sense

covert lynx
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Hmmmm I'll have to test it out and see. Weapon damage and physical power are totally different

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Physical power is just a stat which combines both weapons and gear

cedar grove
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yeah that's what I mean

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physical power

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it's a percentage of that

covert lynx
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Yeah that would be sweet, bc it means I could still do great dmg w my abilities even with an attack speed boosted dagger

cedar grove
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I think that is totally possible

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from what I'm understanding here

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that would be very cool

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fighter>rogue is something I'll definitely want to try

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either that or fighter>mage probably

covert lynx
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Yeah bc my idea is that you'd be harvesting the "rage" (forget what it's called) like crazy and get a lotttt out of that

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Since the fighter rage basically ticks up with each hit it scales well off of attack speed

cedar grove
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right, right

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yeah I'm with you there, that sounds dope

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I wonder if, once the pets get adjusted, tank>summoner with a healy pet would be god tier for solo

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survivability-wise

covert lynx
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If I get some kinda hunters mark with a ranger secondary that's killer

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Or even attack speed steroids..but yeah maybe rogue secondary has those??

cedar grove
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I mean they talked about some of your abilities being adjusted to being ranged with that so that makes sense

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rogue sounds dope

covert lynx
# cedar grove right, right

Not a bad idea actually. But there's opportunity cost cause other secondary archetypes could be hella cool

cedar grove
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teleports, backstabs, extra attacks, super tactical

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super mobile

covert lynx
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So interesting...

cedar grove
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yeah that sounds super cool

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and if you want to lean more into the rogue stuff you just go rogue first

covert lynx
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Right now the weapon skill trees have seemed underwhelming I hope they spice them up more

cedar grove
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and fighter second to give you frontline stuff

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that's so true

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they're so lame

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yeah fighter>rogue is enticing the more I look at it

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also ranger has a whole mess of marks

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so that could be good

covert lynx
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See fighter > fighter could be great for all I know lol

cedar grove
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if you want more passive debuffing stuff

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but there's no theorycrafting there lol

covert lynx
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lol

cedar grove
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from what I'm seeing, fighter>ranger for the debuffs is much more of a passive thing with maybe some extra ranged stuff

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if you want less 'tactical' rogue stuff

covert lynx
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Whatever gives me that sweet attack speed

cedar grove
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ranger's mark of the raven could be dope with that build bc it deals damage for each instance of damage the target suffers

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that actually sounds perfect for your plan

covert lynx
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That does sound amazing actually wow

cedar grove
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they have a barrage skill that also tracks

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if you could augment that to be a melee flurry

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👀

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you get an 'execute' with headshot

covert lynx
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Yeah that sounds borderline op to just get the marks there's no way

cedar grove
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that sounds really, really good

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and you're ostensibly getting ranged options as well, which you'll surely need at some point

covert lynx
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Well for boss fights fighter is so good cuz his missing health pct attacks will start hitting like a truck

cedar grove
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well the mark of the raven and headshot also scale with missing health, is what I'm saying

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so you're all in

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on some solid boss killing damage

covert lynx
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That's the interesting thing, like what's fighter > ranger vs ranger > fighter

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For an attack speed max approach

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Or ranger ranger and fighter fighter too

cedar grove
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there aren't any steroids in there I'm seeing so it seems to come down to a melee vs ranged consideration more than anything

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if you want to use daggers, I'm seeing fighter > ranger

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as the optimal

covert lynx
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Thing is, you can still used ranged in melee range lol

cedar grove
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you're getting barrage, raven mark, headshot, and some utility, on top of everything from fighter

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idk you want the melee stuff first and all the fighter passives imo

covert lynx
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Hmmm

cedar grove
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most ranger abilities require a bow

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idk if it'll pull that out of your other slot while you're in melee? does it work like that?

covert lynx
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It does!!

cedar grove
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oh then yeah

covert lynx
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Like I can be ranged and use a sword ability mid fight

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Steven has mentioned it being a thing

cedar grove
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idk the fighter chassis seems to make the most sense for a dagger build from what I'm seeing but the beauty of it is you can probably do either

covert lynx
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It's actually really cool which is why I've been thinking about this build

cedar grove
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also what's the point of the attack speed if you aren't charging the figher resource?

covert lynx
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You are!

cedar grove
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well you are if you go fighter first

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but you're not if you go ranger first

covert lynx
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True, that's why it's interesting, like which one would out DPS

cedar grove
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I wouldn't worry as much about that bc balancing for years. I'd worry more about fun factor and flavor

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and for me it's fighter > ranger with all the attack speed synergy

covert lynx
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I definitely am enjoying the idea of a bow equipped fighter with some fighter abilities mixed in

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I haven't tried ranger yet that's what I was about to do before the server reset lol

cedar grove
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you're getting a lot of bleed synergy too

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scattershot gives you another attack too and is reset on weapon combo completion

covert lynx
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True, but what if ranger secondary could help stack other elemental dots

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Like the secret is getting as many dots as possible

cedar grove
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right now the secret is getting the dot you're manipulating to trigger the best parts of your kit

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attack speed finishes combos faster which is very helpful in that regard

covert lynx
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Exactly

cedar grove
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anyway my mind is made up on fighter > ranger

covert lynx
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Hahaha

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Yeah you're absolutely right, that's why I hope the weapon trees are a bit...better

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The deadly finishers seem underwhelming rn

cedar grove
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I feel like bard>ranger would be super busy but also do a lot to effect combat on both sides

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the most passive combat stuff possible

covert lynx
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Lollll

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Bard > summoner for the apm kings

cedar grove
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yeah I think they're both up there

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I just really don't want to start bard

covert lynx
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I'm definitely influenced by bards in D&D

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Not in a good way

cedar grove
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I've played a lot of 'unconventional' bards using the bard chassis in D&D

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so I'd basically be doing that

covert lynx
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Bards are so bad in d&d....

cedar grove
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that is wildly untrue

covert lynx
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Hahaha

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Ok. Shoot. What's one thing they do well

cedar grove
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they literally do everything well

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they're one of the strongest classes in the game

covert lynx
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Name something

cedar grove
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LOL

covert lynx
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Sorcerer, great class. Barbarian, great class. Rogue, totally cool. Bard...?

cedar grove
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they have a ton of control spells, you can steal spells from other class lists, you have charisma which is so good, you get a ton of skill expertise, great utility in and out of combat..

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sorcerer is one of the weakest classes

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so is barbarian

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rogue is mid

covert lynx
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Sorcerer can like, twin haste or whatever

cedar grove
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sure they can

covert lynx
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Like the most OP combo in the game

cedar grove
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debatable

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wizard can do more in almost every scenario and in way, way more varied scenarios

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haste is also super party dependent

covert lynx
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Trust me relentlessly attacking barbarians hasted...

cedar grove
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yes that is a singular good combo

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having a fighter who has more extra attacks and can do more with them is even better

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completely disabling the enemy is way better than being hasted

covert lynx
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Don't sleep on advantage...that's double the crit chance mind you

cedar grove
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disabling the enemy gives you advantage and crits normally

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for everybody, regardless of twin casted haste gimmick

covert lynx
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That's the weird thing with d&d because technically object interactions are free

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So you can disarm and they can just literally pick up their weapon next turn

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You have to like disarm and then have someone mage hand it away

cedar grove
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yeah disarm is weak

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that's not even on my radar

covert lynx
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Sleep is a weak cc in d&d bc of the hit point maximum

cedar grove
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sleep is also weak

covert lynx
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Doesn't scale super well

cedar grove
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not even on my radar

covert lynx
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Gotcha

cedar grove
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you're thinking too small my guy

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those combos are good

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but they're limited and specific

covert lynx
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With frenzy barbarian you get the third attack

cedar grove
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okay sure you're also suffering a pretty bad malus for it

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depending on your campaign that could be unusable

covert lynx
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How so

cedar grove
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you get a point of exhaustion

covert lynx
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Oh, hmmm.

cedar grove
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so if you're running anything close to the 'recommended' campaign fight pacing you're doing that once

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and not twice

covert lynx
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That's why you rest 🙂

cedar grove
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yeah that's super campaign dependent bc that's a LONG rest

covert lynx
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I'm trying to remember what ran in baldurs gate, but it involved two hasted barbarians lol and it was insane

cedar grove
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if you're gonna fight once per long rest max you're arguably in a niche fight pacing campaign

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baldur's gate has different mechanics entirely

covert lynx
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I think I went like 3 levels into fighter?

cedar grove
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yeah we're not talking RAW D&D then we're talking BG3 adjusted

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in which sorcerers are definitely better than their original counterpart

covert lynx
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So I action surged both barbarians with haste and it was totally gimmicky but holy did it do damage

cedar grove
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you're also getting some insane itemization buffs to support the class

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that's a game-specific, and campaign-specific choice that is very strong

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now I get where you're coming from

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yeah that's a different discussion

covert lynx
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Gotcha, bards don't have great hp or defensive capabilities, not great healing, mediocre CC

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Not a great weapon

cedar grove
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I mean

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they're so good in combat and insanely good out of combat

covert lynx
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Like what spell from the bard class are we talking about

cedar grove
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being able to effect rolls is insane

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period

proud rampart
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i saw bard

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o.o

covert lynx
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What bard ability is better than a rogue sneak attack?

proud rampart
cedar grove
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so many things are better than rogue sneak attack my guy

covert lynx
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lol @proud rampart we got sidetracked into dungeons and dragons

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Welcome back

proud rampart
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OH

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thought yall were talking about ashes...

cedar grove
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we were

proud rampart
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even still not really ture about dnd either

covert lynx
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Bards in ashes are great lol

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Look I really want to like bard it was my first class

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Best thing I did was throw my harp at my enemies

proud rampart
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it is a literal do everything powerhouse .-.

cedar grove
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CJ is stuck on damage numbers lol he doesn't see the value of more overall impactful things

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yeah I'm with you, Euphemia

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it's one of the strongest classes in the game

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full stop

covert lynx
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Ok name an ability

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Like I could be missing something I just don't see it

proud rampart
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damge... numbers? LOL. 3 stack saga

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3 stack saga with chaos and ur damge goes fucking insaine.

cedar grove
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literally even just being able to use cutting words, as a reaction, to reduce and enemy's roll, is insanely strong

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that coupled with a hard CC and being able to ostensibly guarantee it connects

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is insane

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then you can have your melee unga and bunga all you want

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full guaranteed crits for days

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WAY stronger

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and that's only one thing

covert lynx
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What hard CC does a bard have that other spell casters don't

cedar grove
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nothing bc it can have any spell any class can have

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but on top of that, it has insane utility, you pass EVERY skill check you could ever need, and can guarantee that the CC actually hits

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the only thing that comes close is divination wizard with portent dice, which are pure RNG and you only get two of them per day

covert lynx
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How do you pass every skill check ?

cedar grove
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with all the extra proficiencies and expertise you get plus any skill buffing spells you want to take

covert lynx
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Oh, I see what you mean

proud rampart
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dont forget if were talking DnD here you can preform as bard and RAAAKE in coin

cedar grove
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lol that's very DM and campaign dependent but I'm with you there

covert lynx
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Yeah that's a fair take depending on the campaign for sure

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Campaigns I've played in have been mostly combat oriented to be fair

cedar grove
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oh they made changes to summoner pets crashing peoples games

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in this hotfix

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btw

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patch notes are up

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lots of summoner stuff

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nice

covert lynx
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Niiiice

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Oh shit

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I'll take a look

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Good talk @cedar grove I see your POV I need to play more roleplay oriented campaigns

cedar grove
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oh FINALLY respawn fixes let's go

cedar grove
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combat control is so important in D&D

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and being able to effect rolls is arguably the strongest thing

covert lynx
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Where do I find the patch notes

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On discord?

cedar grove
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https://forums.ashesofcreation.com/discussion/69452/alpha-two-update-notes-0-18-3-friday-december-19-2025

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covert lynx
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Thanks!

cedar grove
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oh wow mounts are meant to regenerate HP

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wild

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here I've done most of my healing on mounts sitting in town

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there's an update on the steam side already too btw

covert lynx
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My horse needs to learn how to run away from combat

cedar grove
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just dismiss them instead of dismounting

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they can't take damage if they're not on this plane of existence

covert lynx
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Hmmm I'll try that good idea

proud rampart
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why you not just dismiss horse

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o.o y you heft to be mean to horse.

covert lynx
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lol

cedar grove
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so mean

covert lynx
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If only horses could tank...

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Or mounts in general for that matter

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Animal abuse tank?

cedar grove
covert lynx
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Lmao

covert lynx
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Servers are back up

foggy forge
cedar grove
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good luck out there!

mint slate
proud rampart
cedar grove
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ooh vertical bars

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wild

cedar grove
mint slate
cedar grove
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true

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my OCD manifests as health bar OCD so I am strongly compelled

proud rampart
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im honestly struggling to get gear lmao

cedar grove
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well I'm in the north on my server and we don't have a t3 settlement so

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I'm just power clearning lvl 5 elites

spiral patio
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hello ,anyone else Fighter lost HP after update patch plz ?

sonic compass
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lots lost stats

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almost wrote a negative review here ... phew ill log off instead 🙂

strange ember
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Hi y’all! A tank question:
what is the difference if anything between a mace,sword or axe 1H ?

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Not skilled related

harsh gyro
glad cloak
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Are summoner pets more reasonable now? Or they still bugging out a lot

warped heath
snow drum
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Mine still disappears and the spirit hunter has no abilities

fading lichen
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If I play fighter now, do we think when I am able to add Bard or Cleric as a 2nd archtype I will have some support options?

meager shuttle
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hard to tell esp since that class reworks are planned

versed viper
meager shuttle
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tldr we dont know

terse harbor
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As a Tank, I'm finding I am having to do attack->block->attack->block or just holding block. Is that the typical loop or something I'm doing to account for gear and/or lackluster healing?

summer plank
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Is there any information about the Rogue's Stealth skill? After the update, it removes invisibility when attempting to dig up a resource.....
ok its in update, why i need to be rogue now...

versed viper
warped heath
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Summoner is worse than ever after this patch. Super buggy.

mint slate
mint slate
summer plank
mint slate
terse harbor
versed viper
# terse harbor Just got 10 earlier

Just to add to what the other guy said, I haven’t had issues as a Cleric healing tanks at that level. So if you have upgraded gear and are playing how he suggested you should be fine. I wouldn’t rule out poor gameplay on the part of the healer if you do all of that and still have issues.

stable pelican
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how do I reset my summon bars to default?

terse harbor
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Thanks for the feedback guys

inner violet
atomic stirrup
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what gear am i looking for if i play summomer?

mint slate
inner violet
# mint slate what advantage that is equal straight to streaight stealth ignoring mobs or any ...

They have their own unique advantage from 10% movespeed, increased sprint usage from stam regen, and they have a dash they seem to be able to spam to go between nodes at mach 1.

There's plenty of people online directing players to play bard as a gatherer specifically because of these reasons. Its not something I came up with on my own.

Stealth was really only useful if someone was trying to kill you or if you were doing hunting in a dangerous area. Rogues even have a 20% move speed penalty in stealth.

To be clear, you got popped out of stealth at the end of gathering, so it wasn't ignoring risk. At best you could gather one thing, run behind a rock to get back in stealth and drop threat, then go gather another thing. HIGHLY inefficient.

mint slate
inner violet
# mint slate so moving a little faster, bare in mind ranger has 10% move sped and a minor ste...

This whole problem seems to be predicated by people being mad that stealth allows players to sneak into areas at a lower level than other players are able to access them for gathering.

A non-issue if people just leveled. I'm actually doing that scorpion farm on a ranger and its immensely faster just killing stuff now that I'm level 12 than it was doing it pure stealth running a quarter mile to reset aggro after each gather if I didn't die.

I'm at 130 something scorpion gathers with no mount to show for it by the way. Imagine how much I could have made on a bard gathering rare wood/stone in the time i've spent getting apprentice hunting on scorpions.

mint slate
inner violet
# mint slate your missing the forest for the trees... do you believe being able hit a buttong...

You can't ignore them. Either you're catching aggro at the end of the gather or the mobs are far enough away from the node not to aggro you; in which case the change does nothing.

You can also be seen through stealth with an increasingly high chance as the level disparity increases between you and the mobs.

Again, bringing it back to bards, they can hit some buttons and jump off a mountain without dying. Class's having unique abilities isn't a bad thing.

mint slate
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then you havent learnt to abuse the rogue cos ive seen it done basically no risk

inner violet
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Then they're a good rogue.

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I've used the tank pet on summoner to hold aggro from mobs I can't fight while I gather. Is that broken?

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You can make them run in circles even while you gather, its hilarious

mint slate
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so again the fact they can stealth and walk past every higher level mob gather the high value item then break steath on gather then restealth and leave is fine?? find me the lvl 3 or 4 bard or summon thats harvesting brooflings in the middle of a scorpion pack

inner violet
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after I got my pallas cat, cause fck that run

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admittadely I swapped to ranger cause it was easier, but it wasn't impossible on summoner

mint slate
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lvl 3 and lvl 6 is still a hguge power and defence difference and again you think that is intended and fair play.. better yet go do that as level 6 bard and tell me they are broken as you were above

inner violet
mint slate
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why you shifting goalposts again

inner violet
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I'm not shifting anything. Why are we making balancing changes based on people who've played the game less than 2 hours?

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My whole point was that this is a non-issue if people just level.

inner violet
mint slate
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because the hit one button and risk be gone in ANY part this game at every level is counter what the game stands for

inner violet
mint slate
inner violet
mint slate