alpha-two-archetype-chat

[gentle ocean]

when summy summy aint here

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[neon hawk]

consider this prep time to get gear for summoner

[calm mason]

have they shown anything for summoner?

[lunar pawn]

they showed that have a concept of a plan

*they

[storm umbra]

The GMs have toyed around with them a bit on the PTR. Jacob was showing off all the summons and abilities one day while giving out boosts when the vendors broke.

[gentle panther]

Any other tanks ready to get back in the mix?

[calm mason]

ill have to go check it out, also is there any dates set for when we can do mixed archetypes? (I havent played since start of phase 1 so maybe they added it already and I missed it)

[junior egret]

not in

[storm umbra]

No dates, either. Timeline is roughly summoner in Sept on PTR, in game in Oct, then class reworks, and finally sub archetypes. from what I've seen.

[mint tusk]

I’m back from holiday mid October I’m excited to be able to make my first boy in p3 as a summoner

[gentle panther]

When it releases. Not on ptr yet

[meager shuttle]

maybe next year bucko

[jovial hedge]

Hello all, trying to decide on a class and Tank seems ridiculously weak in PvE right now. Any chance this changes later on or is it pretty much the same across levels?

[thorny gull]

why did they remove r-t-y ? wtf pressing ctrl+1 is so bad

[broken flint]

fighter character creator armor got changed from PTR to Live, can we still get that in game later I hope?

[river sail]

I'm really confused about rangers... each ability uses focus and mana?

[ionic plume]

Yes they use both. Mana is the casting cost and then you deplete the focus bar to amplify the damage

[river sail]

Ah... I see the buff under my bar now. Was looking for how much the cost in focus was for each ability, but it appears to be random based on how much damage you do.

[ionic plume]

Yeah.. dont know the the ratios but like snipe will use a large portion of it

[dark robin]

Havent played since February...glad to see Clerics are still bussin

[cinder scaffold]

tried both tank and fighter... fighter little more power in pve... but damn tank is so useless in killing anythjing....... how is bard?

[weak lion]

Bard is fine and needed in groups. Odd thing about Bards thier Melodies impact Auto-Attack via "Resonant Weapon" which builds as non-melody spells are cast. You need to be careful casting Discordance since it can "chain" and pull extra MOBS. The Starting book can also do this so many Bards use a Wand or even a Spellbow.

Bard has good sustain and solos well but slower than a mage.

[random blaze]

Bard requires more skill to solo then all other characters IMO. That makes it more fun.

[cinder scaffold]

thx

trying out bard

[subtle badger]

Did they not buff Tank?

[worthy violet]

Is there a way to get out of stealth easily with rogue?

[wanton basin]

weapon attack ?

[dark canopy]

any rogues in here rocking 2 handed axes? what are most rogues running?

tryna compare and contrast here

[meager shuttle]

Whatever gives the most stats

[steady spindle]

i never played this game before but watched a lot of videos. I really like bard but some people say it got nerfed a lot in p3. I play solo half of the time so as a begginer would any bard mains reccomend me bard or i should look for another class? (i dont want to be a heal bot aswell :c )

[meager shuttle]

Stick to it, its still the best class in the game

[steady spindle]

i think i will just everyone says its group dependent character thats why i had second toughts

[meager shuttle]

Thats everyone, but bard is very good soloing

Its also one of the 2 classes that currently have some depth to it

[steady spindle]

i will definetly play then thanks a lot for the info

[regal cedar]

New weapon and jewelry time sink really sucks Absolutely forced after having items available to purchase taking away a quality of life which we are already used to lame Forcing everyone into these huge time sinks at lower levels IE crafting through not able to purchase weapons and armor I really can't get behind I absolutely refuse to wear any of the skins I've purchased with the 1000 plus dollars so not to encourage this money grab

[meager shuttle]

Wrong channel

[little yacht]

bro is searching for the one channel the devs actually look at

[hushed zephyr]

That would be the one with lotsa red names in it.

[worthy violet]

longbow or shortbow for rogue?

[mental sparrow]

Also duel daggers or greatsword for rogue?

[meager shuttle]

^

[prisma coyote]

Are greataxes worth it?

[hushed zephyr]

Weapon types don't matter

[prisma coyote]

it has higher stats and has about a 3 percent difference in damage compared to the greatsword.

I wanted to know if anyone has seen the attack animations and determined if the trade off to attack speed is worth the extra damage.

[long maple]

Could someone teach me how the combo system works with fighter? (Keybound to E default)

[prisma coyote]

combos are specifically based on weapon are you using the base greatword.

[long maple]

Yes sir

[prisma coyote]

The ashes of creation wiki shows what the base combo is for a greatsword with dmg percentage included in each slash. When you unlock finishers further down your weapons skill tree your combo will be extended to include the stab animation that is when you proc your finisher augmented skills.

[long maple]

Oh there is a wiki, ill check it out 🙂

[sacred fox]

https://ashesofcreation.wiki/
It is very large and you can definitely go down rabbit holes in learning about all the planned systems and interactions

[long maple]

Cool, thanks!

[cold adder]

Whats the best archetype for solo PvE only? (I don't care 1 bit about PvP)

[drifting radish]

Likely Bard.. good all around survivability.. I play Rogue as it will be used for farming as well as everything else, so.. sneaky, sneaky & gank ready for resource commandeering.

[oak fjord]

Watched a rogue stealth mine a node, was very sneaky

[drifting radish]

More for me about skating around the mobs..

&, mayhap, taking a load off another player..

[worthy sail]

Ahhh, i had hoped to test the conjurer...
any idea when we can test the archetype?

[golden lichen]

Hoping to have Summoner to the PTR in September. So maybe a month or so after that?

[upbeat hawk]

People keep wanting Summoner and im here thinking where are my profession talent trees???

[dawn pumice]

For real. They just hate crafters it seems. No talent trees, crafting costs you so you can't even make anything off it.

[hazy coral]

is summoner not availabe right now?

[storm umbra]

Nop. PTR Sept. Live Oct^tm.

[hazy coral]

ah thanks

[smoky shell]

What day in sept. For ptr summoner

[light apex]

There are no firm dates for summoner testing on PTR just a tentative timeframe.

[meager shuttle]

Steven said sept on ptr prior to saying sept oct release but yea if its not delayed again its on ptr in sept

[vapid parcel]

Is the staff weapon back in phase three?

[tough pewter]

Anyone having an issue as tank where courage doesn't generate?

[gentle panther]

Yup, log out and back in, should fix it

[tough pewter]

Thanks

[quick path]

everyday same fucking questions like theres not a fuyckin search bar up top

[twin cipher]

someone down for creating a petition to put Tankability "Grit: back as passive instead of a spammable aktive? 🤣 👍

[mint galleon]

Lowkey kind of over tab target mmos but for stuff like summoner classes they are generally interesting

Bit sad 3 is the max summons you can get depending on archetype but i get it for performance

[mint terrace]

3 main summons, i think they said you might have more small temp ones (might be wrong here though)

[pseudo plover]

What main and Off hand as Ranger ? Longbow and ? like Bis ?

[meager shuttle]

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[restive juniper]

is it just me or is the Bard Discordance bounce distance way bigger then before? i always pulling like miles away Mobs with the main target

[untold patio]

It's always been huge, TBH, wiped like a dozen times in phase 2 from pulling three packs with it

[restive juniper]

Well for me it feels way bigger now, but well it is as it is

[orchid zinc]

Hi question to bards, are you getting large procs off both melodies when you use two at once?or are you just getting the large procs off the melodiy your currently casting?

[orchid zinc]

oh it seems resonance does proc off both just the last one - is resoanance supposed to proc off both?

[glad cloak]

Whatever your active song is, counterpoint doesn’t trigger off of both buffs

Also class resources are still bugging like they did on ptr so sometimes you can’t generate resonance. Or swap elements for beam, or no divine power generation, etc.

[orchid zinc]

i mean it should though right - you have both melodies up

[glad cloak]

Maybe but that’s not how it works, based on active melody

[orchid zinc]

in my mind they are both active though since they are both on the buff bar. One for the devs I guess

[mint galleon]

3 total summons out at once

Depending on the archetype

[meager shuttle]

1 summon at once

[mint galleon]

Up to 3 at once

Depending on the archetype

So its safe to assume necromancer can have 3 at once

We dont have archetypes yet but base summoner is 1

[meager shuttle]

they said 1 for now in a previous stream, technical reasons didnt heard otherwise so far

[gentle niche]

Bards, did they get rid of the dispel effect on Maddening Dance?

[fickle parrot]

Whats up with snares right now?

Im using barrage + scatter shot which applies 50% snare, but mobs are just running towards me in normal speed.. Its impossible to actually kite even with 50% snare?

[eternal jackal]

Yeah, I feel the same. I stepped away for a bit and will come back with a new toon. Rangers are pretty useless compared to other classes atm. When they fix crafting, maybe that will change things.

[fickle parrot]

After many years of development, i would actually have thought the game would be more polished than what it is.

What a shame.

[cinder scaffold]

damn the tank feels so nice now

enojoying it

[hazy parrot]

how are other clerics feeling, feels like the healing is so poor compared to what it used to be

I guess the gear is also much worse, but feels a bit underwhelming

[worn moat]

Cleric + action combat = doomed? How can I land judgement on a party member? Always lands as dmg on a mob, even if I have the party member selected

[muted pine]

i think the lack of gear is the biggest part, my grp has been running 2 clerics and a bard, we get in a rhythm and clear pretty well. we all hit 17 today but doing anything solo is PAINFUL. sure i can out heal anything 1 star or below at my level but it takes quite some time to kill it. cleric feels better healing as you hit the early to mid teens as your arsenal starts to fill out more

[hazy parrot]

yeah, I played P1 and that time it was great, now it feels horrible compared to that

[muted pine]

i was bard in P1 and i know they got nerfed fairly hard from what i hear

[hazy parrot]

but yeah, when you get level 12-13 cleric feels much better, but still, early levels are quite rough compared what it used to be

[muted pine]

but yeah i think its the lack of gear dropping and the speed of crafting leveling is too slow and the cost too high so there is very little gear knocking about (and im in a fairly large community so if there were hardcore crafters burning through id see it)

[hazy parrot]

leveling crafting is quite useless currently when nodes are not up to pace

[muted pine]

100%

[hazy parrot]

and I think also processing with these extra reagents, feels horrible, not only they are super expensive but they are annoying as f

fuel is annoying and now they added one extra layer there

[muted pine]

plus the 20 min run from one station to another

and back

[hazy parrot]

yep once you get there you notice that you dont have enough money

[muted pine]

or forgot a reagent from a vendor back where you started

[hazy parrot]

I think there is now also issue that when the nodes and crafters are actually there to craft anything people have already over leveled them

but yeah, also one thing is that its really hard to notice the power, like, usually in RPGs, once you craft or get that good gear, you feel that you are more powerful, now you dont really see anything

[muted pine]

yeah, we have hit it pretty hard and put in 60 hours or so since the server went live so thats kinda on us but its gonna be days /weeks or months until we can effectivly craft anything decent

[muted pine]

you do. our rangers got the fleshripper today and their damage doubled!

[hazy parrot]

yeah maybe that such a huge upgrade that you can then feel it

but from like early starting weapon to crafted does not feel that great

[muted pine]

agreed

[hazy parrot]

but yeah, fleshripper is like 1500 power or something so its different ball park

also i dont like how the power itself is calculated, or is visible, you get 200 more power and then actual power goes up 5 or something

[muted pine]

now we are at septh we are slowly getting some gear for our phys guys but for the most part we are all in the first tier of crafted weapons and the parcel quest reward. thats it lmao

[hazy parrot]

yep, only power increase is the skills + levels

which is a bit dump, it would also do a lot if there were player market place at starting areas

like now economy is stuck and general chat is used for selling

maybe NA is different but at least EU we dont still have villages

[muted pine]

maybe, but even if there was there isnt alot of stuff to sell, and the cost of crafting is so insanly high that people wouldnt be able to really afford the gear and thats with the crafter almost breaking evem

[hazy parrot]

yep but at least it would ease it a bit

but yeah crafting is super expensive

[muted pine]

im on NA, we have 2 at encampment, thats it the rest are crossroads or lower

[hazy parrot]

so same as EU then

[muted pine]

yeah by the sounds of it

and 60 hours to 17 is kinda nutty time invesment imo

bare in mind thats with a full 8 man almost all the time

[hazy parrot]

yeah, I have played only solo, about 15-20 hours and im 10

but yeah, im now planning to stop this gathering stuff because its not going anywhere and doing some pugging

[muted pine]

yeah i would since they increased the drop rate today (supposedly lol)

[hazy parrot]

yeah, I leveled basically almost solo to 20 in P1 but now it does not really work, I hit like wet noodle and I cannot properly sustain myself so its not worth it

or you could do 1 or 2 mob pulls but its not great

[muted pine]

it feels like they are intending on making clerics forced into grp play, it gets easier as you get a few more levels to sustain but damage always feels weak

[hazy parrot]

yeah, but in P1 eventhough dmg wasnt great, at least heals felt good and I could pull like 4-5 mobs at the time and then cleave them all down

now you just die even if they are like 4 levels below you

[muted pine]

yeah, again no gear lol

[hazy parrot]

yep, and higher power level of mobs and decreased power level of players

but in general issue is kinda that, nothing feels fun at the moment, or I guess group play have stayed quite same as earlier

and mining is better now :)

[muted pine]

eh, its been fun because of my group, not the game.

[hazy parrot]

yeah

[muted pine]

its gotta be hard balancing the game for the sweats and the normals and then casuals to be fair but this is currently punishing everyone

[sweet wedge]

any mages notice that you can't use arcane might to stack 3 enchantments on other players anymore?

[glacial timber]

Any tanks got same problem with courage generating? It works for only few minutes then I cant get any and cant use some skills ofc. Relog fix it.

[thorn oyster]

I've given up on that for now, i farm mats and keep onlly that with the best quality, and sell the rest. money will come, I hope, when tradehalls start popping up.

[prisma nest]

guys is it possible to get lvl10 gear anywhere, we're so fucking homeless its unplayable

legit 0 damage at lvl10 😭

[storm umbra]

Only through crafting or drops. The drops have been increased, but it is fairly dependent on level ranges from my limited experience.

[broken flint]

wonder if summoner will have an ability like warlock in wow where they can cast a portal to summon party members, would be cool.

requires half the party of 8 to summon them, so summoner + 3 others.

[charred seal]

So frustrating that this is what killed 2.5 and nothing changed. They tried to cure the symptom not the disease. Artisans were not crafting enough to supply the player base. "Let's put in an additional level of gear, increasing the amount of gear that needs to be produced".

[burnt dagger]

anybody know if the "A Giant Threat" quest is bugged at the rock caller stage?

i go pick up the stars of the undying under water, but can't interact with the monolith thing down there. and the rock caller just never spawns... .

[ionic plume]

That was patched out a few months ago. Was a bug that a player could have more than one

[sweet wedge]

then they need to reward the phrasing on the ability, enchant weapon. It clearly states "Enchant up to one ally's weapons with your current set of elemental empowerments."

[ionic plume]

Idk man. Should be like blessed weapon but yah know #alphathings.... Yaaaaay ☠️

[limpid arch]

Let’s make it so mages can pick there element for there spells.

[sharp prawn]

Hi everyone. Hope you are making the best of downtime. I have a question about weapons. Is there any difference between weapons besides stats? Like is there any benefit for a fighter using a spear over 2H sword?

[dire flower]

Short time I've played the different weapons add different effects with the finishers and what not

[sharp prawn]

What do you mean? Like the skill trees are different? Interesting

[outer patio]

Bless Weapon is S tier

[meager shuttle]

only in pve if you proc the full combo effects as in pvp its irrelevant as you never fully auto attack with your meele weapon but only your range weapon which it does matter where you would use a longbow

[main crypt]

Does anyone find fight DPS lackluster in comparison to Ranger and Mage?

fighter*

[meager shuttle]

absolutely not fighter is the best dps along with mage

[sharp prawn]

I mostly have pve so far but, thank you for pointing that out for pvp that's interesting.

[main crypt]

Ill keep leveling him, just got to lvl 8. But I am not nearly seeing the Crits I would get on my ranger

[sharp prawn]

I feel that way. I feel like our survivability early on is bad in comnparison too.

[main crypt]

Yeah definitely feels like dookie cheeks early on that's for sure

[meager shuttle]

i wouldt use lvl 8 as benchmark and fighter will also have the best surviveability outside tank and support classes

[main crypt]

Noted - and agreed. Ill keep going, and see if it gets beeter

better(

[meager shuttle]

i forgot the name but there is an ability later on that lets you lifesteal and get mana back based on dmg and with that you will basically have never downtime again

[split yew]

We need class like Affli Lock !!!!!!!

[meager shuttle]

summoner is supposedly a dot class

[sharp prawn]

Once you have Blood Fusion it improves a lot.

[elder talon]

I think this’ll be Summoner but if you like stacking debuffs Bard is honestly some similar vibes

[ionic plume]

The different weapons provide different debuffs they proc which your abilities will react with.. so you need to look at what types of debuffs you'd like.
Also at the top of the tree you get buffs for your self (and your group if you get the node).
IE mace provides armor pen, sword provides attack speed, and spear provides crit on your next ability or weapon combo

[solid pendant]

I can solo higher level elites with regenerative fluidity, it's a bonkers passive. So much fun.

[shut valve]

Was trying out tank but not really feeling much love for it being mostly solo, although the survivability is nice.

Any thoughts on what else to try? I'm not a huge micromanager.

[junior egret]

fighter

better solo survivability and sustain. better dps. Mainly you are going through your combat rotation, it's reactionary rather than micro-manage heavy.

[shut valve]

Fighter. Ok I'll give a try. Thanks.

[jaunty bone]

It's not a solo game tho, you will struggle a lot if you don't play with people

and bear in mind that fighter is really good at soloing mob after lvl12 before it sucks

[junior egret]

I tend to get a lot more done alone, and some of use cannot lock into a group for hours at a time. Fighter is a tank/dps/heals all rolled into one.

[shut valve]

I know the game is very group based. I have no issue grouping for stuff I just play fairly solo like no friends or guild to group with atm. That's all.

[jaunty bone]

play fighter then, maybe summoner will be pretty good in soloing I assume with his mobs, will see

[hushed zephyr]

It's good unless you're fighting anti-melee mobs, which are aplenty tbh

[hushed zephyr]

Fighter is good at soloing after lvl 12 when you get Blood Fusion, which is a fat heal and mana sustain. It's not great before that.

[junior egret]

It depends on what you are doing. A ranger can burn down a single target fast for sure as long as it's under so many k hp. Then they are trying to kite and set up snipes to maintain that. A mage will run OOM and die from staying in optimal dps range too quick, it neeeds to get in and out or have a tank. A fighter can basically just go 100%, 100% of the time without a bard or heals. And really until you are high level with high attack speed, zipping thru all your instas on repeat against groups of mobs it wont feel very dangerous. The fighter big damaging abilities also are a lot of aoe, so a ranger is going to do better vs big raid bosses and things like that

[junior egret]

zombies are a pita for a fighter

[dark robin]

If everyone is melee range, the zombies dont spit anti heal venom

but, yes, they are a PITA

the homies hate zombies (signed by Cleric gang)

[junior egret]

they do that chomp tho if i remember correctly direct damage life steal

[ebon spruce]

what are good duo partners for a bard?

[junior egret]

fighter

rogue or another bard, idk i dont play them but i like it when they is around

rogue/fighter is both dps that can facetank

[ebon spruce]

yeah was thinking fighter for good sustain after 12 with bard songs to help

[junior egret]

would have to be one of the faster leveling duos as you can dps and not worry about their mana

[arctic birch]

only timber doesnt change in size and it makes sense since youre only skinning the bark

Better question is why are you asking this in archetype chat

[daring sentinel]

dps? not really. the risk factor, totally.

[echo knoll]

Fighter is way up there for consistent DPS especially AoE cos you basically never stop. If you do your Berserk reset right and hit double buffed WW into Cata Maim combos its probably the best pve aoe in the game

Risk can be avoided a lot by reactive blood fusions and max ranging, but it totally still exists. And if you still have some ADHD tanks that like to dodge around it can be a Mr Bean in the 4D cinema kinda life

[junior egret]

or yoink targets away from you... gah

[echo knoll]

don't get me started

[thin ingot]

any cleric tried +healing on their items, any good?

[daring sentinel]

you probably want both magic power and healing power

I'm sure someone here is details/numbers oriented enough to confirm

[meager shuttle]

ofc its good, esp now since your heals heal like a wet noodle

prior phases didnt really matter since you would overheal like crazy if they dont die in .2 seconds

[real talon]

You do want both at a certain point. Healing Power doesn't scale from Magic Power 1 : 1 anymore. It's more like 1 : 0.75. Just get what you can, it's not a huge deal until DR starts being a bitch @thin ingot

[meager shuttle]

its 50 if i remember it right and one does not exclude the other, mpower is is mainly mainstat where healing power is a substat

[real talon]

I haven't ran it since last couple days of PTR, but it was 75% then. I'll have to run the numbers again.

The healing power rating to healing power squish was also 33 : 1 instead of the 50 : 1

[meager shuttle]

could be if they changed it recently

[solid pendant]

is there a case to be made for form of fluidity in group content? it applies shaken with your cleaves, giving a damage buff too all physical dps, whereas ferocity only buffs your damage

[worthy violet]

What weapon combo would you recommend to a rogue? I've been using daggers + shortbow but I'm interested in hearing if there's something else you feel is good

[junior egret]

currently I'm using 2hand mace and short-bow. I feel wand/1 hand mace may be idea endgame for pvp, especially if invest into the chill stuff. Leveling, I want a stagger to get rid of resist, especially vs higher level mobs. Also like the longbow for that. I tend to stay in melee and only peel off and kite things that hit too hard or if I need to heal up. Having the highest power rating for your poison dots come from big slow weapons.

[junior egret]

also the damage buffs from Axe/sword/mace lines make the daggers look meh.

[outer patio]

What’s the meta cleric weapon these days? Still short bow?

[vestal oyster]

Idk meta, 2h mace is so much fun

[vestal oyster]

Greatsword is nice also instead of dagger

[outer patio]

I got a really nice stat stick for 2H spear but the damage from spear sucks. Not based on spell power.

[meager shuttle]

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[meager shuttle]

not really, shaken is also applied by tanks aoe aura i think was it? but for pve you always go red form unless your tank dies and you have to tank the rest

[junior egret]

This, and fighters also apply it with cataclysm. Or take art of war and swap to red after you cleave.

[vestal oyster]

then make another spear that have m damage 😄

[junior egret]

time for an alt

[hard kelp]

anyone got any good DPS cleric ideas/builds?

[meager shuttle]

Reroll mage or bard or wait for summoner

[hard kelp]

true 😛

[simple sierra]

Is there any class that is a bit of a hybrid melee/ranged?

[meager shuttle]

technically fighter and tanks in pvp because they cant just mindlessly charge in

as for in actual kit no not really

[simple sierra]

and we cant pick the 2nd archtype yet correct?

[cosmic meadow]

I'm seeing mix for bard out there for weapons. Currently im using a shortbow, but im seeing book or using wand/sepcter. Does it really matter for bard as long it has mag on it

[meager shuttle]

yea that will be a while somewhere in 2026 hopefully

[simple sierra]

Thanks

[meager shuttle]

generelly yes you want magic stats and the more the better however for bard esp people use only shortbow or wand for pvp because certain spell applications though bard is the class i know the least so im not 100% why, beside having mage/cleric on hit dmg buff

but yea the more stats the better

as for meele weapon it doesnt matter at all beside pve which also doesnt really matter

[cosmic meadow]

yeah. i guess right now im hitting a dmg wall so i was trying to figure out if weapon type helped but yeah i made a pretty good shortbow and had a 2h sword drop with mag on it so been using that. I saw wand/septer-focus so was wonder if they better for bard. im not really grouping right now so been doing ok so far lol

[meager shuttle]

ye doesnt matter just go for stats

[bleak path]

At this stage of the game (near the beginning) what armor should I be striving for as a Ranger?

Level 11 that is

[meager shuttle]

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[bleak path]

Fair enough. Thanks.

[summer flax]

what if bard gets a mechanic where if they press their melody again while its casting, it will insta cast at the cost of 1 (or 2) resonant stack?

also fortisimmo needs a buff

i love the idea of amplyfing the melodies, but it needs to be a bit more impactful than it is now, or rather satysfying to press, ofc the extra dmg is impactful

maybe fortissimo makes ur melodies extend beyond just party?

[novel sequoia]

any idea how to ensure Cleric judgement heals the ally instead of damaging the enemy?

[solid pendant]

trying out a mage, i have a focus but it only goes in the melee offhand slot, what goes in the ranged offhand slot with my wand?

[novel sequoia]

you have to manually move the focus

[solid pendant]

doesnt seem to work it only goes in the melee slot

[untold patio]

oh, Longbows are like way better on bards this phase. I was wondering why my resonant weapon never triggered with my shortbow and it turns out it has a seven hit combo now

[nova rune]

I hopped on thinking we had summoner but I guess not. Do we have a date for Summoner?

[fossil shale]

You have to target your ally first directly, then casting Judgement. The game locks your target when you press the button, instead of when the spell completes it's casting.

[ionic plume]

November 18th is that date atm.
Subject to change obv

[fossil shale]

PTR later this month was leaked on their recent developer livestream. However that is never guaranteed. Most are still hoping sometime in the next three months.

Granted they could also just outright drop it on us with the new Harbinger Update coming out this month, but even that update could end up getting pushed out.

[loud tangle]

Has there been any indications that tank grit will last longer than 20 sec soon? I get tired of spamming it and my tendonitis is exploading... xD

[meager shuttle]

Rework in 2026

[rigid hamlet]

So when do they fix grapple

[mint terrace]

i thought they "fixed" it already by making it teleport or something, i don't play tank, just what i've heard

also the wiki makes it seem like they might be changing Courage to be a PvP taunt @rigid hamlet, kinda interesting
https://ashesofcreation.wiki/Courage

this was parsed from the latest version of the skill from the game files (the current version of Courage is different ofc)

[rigid hamlet]

Sadly it's not fixed :( it works 7/10 times now instead of 1/100 times tho

[mint terrace]

does it teleport?

[rigid hamlet]

yes

[mint terrace]

that's such a huge downgrade in fantasy

[rigid hamlet]

but the teleport it sadly not consistant, they often remain in place

[glad cloak]

Played cleric to 19 this phase to help another group for a few days, before leveling bard to 25. Stuff I didn’t like about cleric:

• judgement not having dual targeting options
• lack of cast bars. Specifically soothing glow not being clear
• shitty Buff and Debuff UI makes it suck to keep track of stuff. Tank buffs, hots, etc.
• the mix between max HP skills and MP skills. You end up using aoe skills for single target healing
• ground targeting skills blows. This camera angle with this range ain’t it coach
• cursor is too hard to see. I can’t heal effectively without being able to target in game names. (More of a zvz problem)
• heals cast even if a target is not in range. This sucks extremely badly. Like very very bad. “Oops I just used my big CD on myself”, instead of an out of range thing.
• allies being in range or out of range is not clear enough.
• HP bars are still fairly spikey. Limiter ends up being one shots lining up RNG rather than going OOM. You also can’t cast fast enough.
• detargeting is inconsistent
• stuck in combat too long
• rations don’t scale
• I don’t like the gameplay of the class resource.
• I don’t like recasting buffs when I die.
• basically no solo dps

Random stuff I liked:

• The resplendent beam casting and animation is very cool. The ethereal light theme is cool, better than yellow.
• resurrection animation is cool.
• I like soothing glow duration extension and being a hot healer.
• I like the blessed weapon thing
• saving lives and being desirable
• deliverance is cool but when 1000% healing power is 10% of the tanks HP that doesn’t feel so good

Also bards numba one

[solid pendant]

what armour are people rocking for mage? all light or mix and match?

[charred seal]

My experience with Cleric is similar.

I agree with:
Judgement not having dual targeting options
Ground targeting skills blow generally. There are very few confined space battles.
Heals cast even when target is not in range, or continuing after target goes out of range.
Allies being in or out of range not clear enough, or range is too short. If range is going to be a thing, we need the tools to manage it.
De-targeting is inconsistent.
Never use that first skill/class resource, as instant cast.
Single target DPS is lack-luster, AOE DPS is too low to be remotely useful or a factor.

Spell animations fine to great.
Healing scales extremely poorly (from P2, I haven't tested it this phase)
I like the Blessed weapon.
Bards are number #1 healer/support and adequate for levelling.

Also:
Clerics fairly unnecessary for group grinding at appropriate levels. If you can gear a tank, you don't need a Cleric, a Bard is far better. If you don't gear a tank, a cleric isn't going to help.

I disagree with:
Targeting is fine, you just have to target off the group/grid, not the camera. But I agree generally, if you have worse than excellent vision, the game is a challenge in general.
Don't understand the soothing glow point at all.
I don't think Clerics need to be just desirable (I don't agree that they are worth their share of the XP), they need to be essential.

[meager shuttle]

#alpha-two-archetype-chat message

[drifting radish]

Rogue: I seem to be frozen out of light attack in combo.. cannot complete combo if timer to complete combo is still running.. can anyone relate or bugged

[dark robin]

I'm going to be honest...I think youve only played cleric to like..lvl 17 with mediocre gear...

Clerics are incredible

• Single target DPS
  I'll give you that, it's not great, but it's formidable, has burn/conflag, stuns/silences/volatile, and can heal the caster in some occasions... You just need to focus on magic power if you want that glass cannon

• AoE DPS/Heals
  Not sure what you're smoking, DF + Chains+ Wave is nasty DPS...and stuns/debuffs

The healing? Giga big, especially when tied in with all the other skills

• Quick Cast class passive
  If I read that right, you said you didn't use that? If that's correct...boy... You're playing the class wrong

//
I'm not going to beat a dead horse, but I've played cleric, solely, since P1 day 1, and I'll tell you: they are arguably the best all around class in the game

I'll be here all night for anyone who has questions

[charred seal]

No need to be combative.

Single target dps is quite decent, which is good for solo play, but being a glass cannon isn't good for solo play.
AOE healing is low not because the ability numbers are low, but because you cant target enough people.
I use the passive. Why wouldn't you?

[dark robin]

Didnt mean to come off combative

also, small side note on 'glass cannon'.. AoC is weird.. Glass Clannon jsut means full cloth build(cloth gives int bonuses), which reduces your PHYSICAL defence, but makes you damn near immune to MAGICAL damage. So.. not so great in PvE where the majority of enemies ar eup in your face smacking you, but its pretty solid in higher end group content where enemy npcs are like firestarters or other forms of mages

For AoE healing, chain the Divine Flare - Resplendent Beam - and cast Communal Restoration off cd

If you put bless weapon, with the left skill tree bonus, on a fast attacking party member, you will literally never run out of mana.

[charred seal]

Yeah, I am absolutely certain we will be fine in end game and even essential (just like artisans). The problem is how to get the rest of the team to include us on the way up!

[dark robin]

The shortened spell cast passive is how you fast cast judgement in a pinch - the largest single target healing

Youre not wrong, its very gear dependent. Clerics feel like must migrate to group gameplay post-lvl 10 for most of their abilities to shine

[charred seal]

Yeah I get that. Played a resto druid in WoW for years. That instant cast ability is great, but I preferred it pushed before the spell-cast not after. Or I am so used to it that way, I cant get used to the other?

[dark robin]

It makes a difference, for sure, but theres only about 3 skills it can be used on currently. Excited to see lvl 25+

[bright cypress]

This is the place to give class feedback idea's right?

[coarse scroll]

#1365494991509782558

[bright cypress]

I figured, but wanted to check here. I had an idea to change a spell but, wasn't sure

[dark robin]

You can do both. Also, they look at official forums more

[bright cypress]

Bard idea- My idea is quite simple.

Make this spell not consume 5 resonance but instead generate 5.

Since, legit when have you actually pressed this in a group? The only time I ever use this spell is with epic melody moving from A>B

Maybe even not make it generate 5, or generate at all. Just allow you to use it w/o consuming 5

[untold patio]

hey I was using that all the time before I realized that Shortbows are terrible for bards this phase

[bright cypress]

They are? I've not used one yet this phase. Did they nerf the speed?

[untold patio]

it still attacks pretty fast but it's combo is seven attacks long, so it takes forever to proc resonant weapon

[bright cypress]

Hm I see. I've been using wand so far

I am curious if book/longbow would be semi viable due to more magic power, but the speed on them hurts my soul

[untold patio]

I'm using Longbow RN, it seems pretty good to me, three hit combo means you get procs all the time

[bright cypress]

Will have to try it whenever I can afford to buy more weapons

[sonic compass]

oh noes do i have to wand now?

i thought spellbow had best proc rate...

[chrome bluff]

why do my bard songs keep disappearing? especially in the Warhelm Ruins it happens a lot, sometimes even out of combat just standing there

the channel is still ongoing but the buff keeps disappearing

[golden lichen]

What ranged weapon do yall mages use? I’ve always used wand and haven’t tested out the others really.

[dark robin]

There's a bug where the songs drop when you move between server workers

[chrome bluff]

what's a server worker?

and how often does that happen?

because my songs sometimes drop multiple times a minute in some areas

[mint terrace]

press Page Up

that shows your server worker

the AoC world is split into many servers (Server Workers) to handle high player loads, you usually can't notice moving between them but sometimes there are bugs like this.

[golden lichen]

It’s the hamsters they have powering the servers. Dynamic gridding will split those hamsters but that’s not working yet

[chrome bluff]

ok thanks

yea just noticed, it's a SW change that causes the drop, thanks for the info

[mint terrace]

definitely report stuff like this if you can

[chrome bluff]

makes bard almost unplayable

[golden lichen]

In p2 whenever you got on your mount, it’d take away the buff, but keep the aura around your character. I was in a lot of fights with bi actual buff on 😂

[chrome bluff]

i know mounting removes the aura, but thats at least predictable, makes sorta sense, and doesnt surprise me mid combat

does someone know where the quarters of the helmlord are in Warhelm because then i can finish this cursed zone

it's not that bad elsewhere, but in Warhelm my SW keeps changing every 20s or so

[mint terrace]

maybe it's near SW borders

[chrome bluff]

are they fixed areas?

[mint terrace]

yes and no.
right now they are, but they have a tech called dynamic gridding, which is not enabled yet.
that will split / merge servers based on player population dynamically.

this means that we'll have more (smaller) servers where there are many players, and less (large) ones when there are few players

but you're not supposed to notice when you switch between server workers anyways, so once they ironed out the bugs it won't rly matter to you how many servers there are.

[chrome bluff]

ok yea warhelm basically has a different SW every room apparently

[mint terrace]

that would be a huge overkill, a server worker can easily handle 200+ players without lag right now.

if that's the case I'd assume it's not intended or they are just being overly cautious

[chrome bluff]

here i am in SW 50

area downstairs is 46

not even halfway into it already 51

[mint terrace]

maybe it's just where these 3/4 server workers meet

[chrome bluff]

back here is 47

[mint terrace]

yeah i think it could be at the corner of 4 workers

[chrome bluff]

in the middle of a big grind zone, lol

[mint terrace]

yeah, makes sense because it splits players into 4 groups / servers

• there is also the starting area nearby that's super populated

[drifting radish]

Are any rogues experiencing freezing light attacks during combos if the followup is timed out?

[exotic raptor]

Are you able to describe this better? Ive had a few weird things happen but my character hasn't frozen mid attack which is what im picturing by your description.

[drifting radish]

let me confirm again if it;s not a mag/stam issue.. maybe I'm just tapped out.. silly that I didn't check first.. but that shouldn't affect light/auto attack.. hmm

[restive plank]

couple artisan questions, just hit journeyman lumberjacking i member in phase 2 there was lumber jack clothing to incase either rarity or speed and bags to incase carrying capacity. Where and how do i get these?

oops wrong chat sorry

[high garden]

Hey there folks. I was wondering, what are folks thoughts on what a Cleric should wear for gear? I'm thinking cloth stuff from what little I know right now as I want ot heal

[meager shuttle]

Whatever gives you the best stats, magical stats not physical

[marsh bane]

Anyone have an opinion on the Rogue using the Rapier?

[fossil shale]

Makes sense if the Rapier skill tree provides higher penetration than other weapons. That way your damage isn't mitigated as much.

[bright cypress]

BY ANY CHANCE, do you know what setting this keybind is listed under? I knowningly put a keybind on this and I did not see it while trying to find to rebind this to something else xD

[rustic loom]

Hey question: Thinking of trying mage first, is there any benefits to going a solo element vs doing many elements?

[cinder scaffold]

fighters get better at level 12 right? for solo pve?

[spring moss]

No, go back to darkfall lol

[cinder scaffold]

i will once it launches 😄

[ionic plume]

No. They feed off eachothers status effects

[fleet summit]

Does anyone know if the current version is the core vision for the final mage skill tree? I mean, if it is they need better game designers asap

[solid pendant]

As soon as you get regenerative fluidity you can solo all sorts of stuff and take zero damage as long as you don't spend your momentum. It's slow but you can solo elites or large packs of higher level with no risk.

I think you can get it at like 9 or 10 even

[pallid warren]

Dunno, iam having fun on my mage.
What do you mean by Bad Design?

[fleet summit]

It lacks fantasy.. 3 element types, it’s really basic, not really much theory crafting when it comes to the build. Sure its playable and a mage is fun, but I feel like there is a huge opprtunity here on making a truly unique mage class and Intrepid just does not care and uses old well known and boring formula

[pallid warren]

It’s well designed but Lacks different build options yes.
But we get 7 different Classes to mix and Design different mage styles. Also max Level will be 50 in the future or not? 😁 it’s all work in Progress.

[last marsh]

Basic archetype before adding in a secondary to make the actual class should be simple.

Remember that staring as a Mage isn't one class, it's 8 and you will have to choose which direction to take it.

[fleet summit]

I very much hope its work in progress, otherwise i am going to be dissapointed. Honestly it looks like a tech demo (well its alpha so its all fine) that someone threw together on one afternoon. (Again, i know its alpha so its all fine)

[brisk gull]

Hello, what stats is a bard that will buff mana looking for? Thanks

[meager shuttle]

Magic stats, ur welcome

[brisk gull]

So both int/wisdom is good?

[meager shuttle]

Ya

[bright cypress]

I with healing power also effected mana generating spells 🙁

but ya magic power/power, int, wis, crit to lesser extent too

[drifting radish]

Just a comment here to say, nothing beats hunting with a Rogue. 'nuff said.

[real goblet]

Who do I have to make a 4 course meal for to get the summoner class? 😅

[queen spire]

Why

[drifting radish]

Stealth, stealth & stealth. that with Dash. If you're camping a spot like the wolf & grem den in Stealth (to amp up novice hunter levelling), you can utilize the Dash (think Blink with end to end encryption) to get to the huntables well before others, pet in Stealth & only pop out of Stealth when the resource comes into inventory. Moving through high level mobs to access resource nodes to attain those that others won't touch, Kick or Thump to get back into Stealth if the mobs do attack & get away.. it's just a highly mobile class for all kinds of gathering where you can obfuscate your way through most every environment. Also, just so much good ol' fashion fun to play.

'nuff said.

[restive plank]

what stats should I be looking for in gear for a clearic/ healer to improve my heals?

[glad cloak]

power is the only thing that really matters in this world
magic power, power, int, wisdom

[restive plank]

sounds good tyty

[bright cypress]

With great power..

comes great mana

[dark robin]

In P2, I had a cleric with full heavy armor, a shield, and went focus into:
Magic power, Int, const, mentality
And it was so fun. My heals were 7/10, damage was 6/10, but tankiness/survival was 10/10. It was, honestly, a load of fun. I just needed the Cleric/Tank class to get dropped

[queen spire]

Understood.

I’ll stick to mining 🙌

[balmy agate]

how do current cluster spawns work

i know its being fixed but im still not 100% sure how the current system is

all ive seen is if u see legendary stay in that area, but is it the exact spawn location or the entire area?

meant to type this in artisan chat

[simple sierra]

how creative can you get with builds?

Looking at the online character builder it looks a little like a ranger is a ranger

Not much diversity in builds, Im trying to decide what class to play

[mint terrace]

right now you just tick every single talent node at max level, there are not many

no diveristy at all

they are reworking the talents and classes though with more talent nodes and ranks for them

so hopefully that comes soon

[last marsh]

The current talents/skills definitely feel very placeholder and experimental. They've said changes are coming but I am very curious to see what those look like.

For what it's worth, some of the newer archetypes like rogue have some mutually exclusive talent choices, which is interesting.

Which two poisons do you want, would you rather have more utility spell charges or be able to use those utility spells while stealthed, etc.

[ionic plume]

Not much diversity yet. We dont have access to our second class options, 25-50 levels, and no skills ranks yet.

[warped lantern]

if i choose as second archetipe the rogue will i be able to become invisible with fighter or mage?

[ionic plume]

No idea.. we are all in the same boat of just guessing and assuming how they will implement the 2nd class options. You can read about it on the wikis but nothing is confirmed till it's released

[hybrid snow]

No only when your first class is rogue i think. With second class you change your abilitys in some way so far as i k ow

[bright cypress]

I just wanna do bard bard 😠

I wanna double my bardness

(Though intrepid, give us 10 slots so I can make all bard combinations. Thanks)

[drifting radish]

How Bard-like, sounds like it needs to be a song.. lulz!

edit: the line above..

[glad cloak]

My fear is that other classes are going to get discounted bard melodies. And that all bards will be left with is gambits and dances / cc

[bright cypress]

Who knows admittedly. I hope we get our hands on it sooner then later

since as it stands, I've lost a lot of faith in them for balancing stuff. Sooner its out the sooner more hands can get on it and sooner it can get fixed

[glad cloak]

Most of the class changes they do have all been good. Only recent miss I can think of was focus for rangers. Nobody bothers to pay attention or play around it in any fashion that I know of

[bright cypress]

That's fair. I more meant - balance wise - is drops/crafting

If they take that kind of mentality to classes, I worry

[silent topaz]

Anyone tried physical wand on ranger?

[glad cloak]

Energy focuses aren’t really a thing, compared to bows. I haven’t checked in a while though

Sucks for all those 1h melee weapons. Especially since shields are way worse this phase than last

[simple sierra]

What would be the point of balancing the classes at this stage when everything is going to change?

[bright cypress]

changes now might be relevant to the later changes too

[solemn forge]

any1 know if i lose my mounts i possessing after a settlement/node level up?

[junior egret]

so they stop breaking the game with dumb shit nobody cares about.... during prime time. When we really need is a new swim bar!.. yes that happened.

[frail shell]

Hello fellow Clerics - what level 10 gear should one be aiming for?

[rustic loom]

Shame, are the status effects guaranteed or are they a % chance?

[long cobalt]

Clerics what main weapons u using??

[shut portal]

whats the best class race combo

jk

how squishy are you when starting out as a caster

[nocturne valve]

super squishy, but you are not forced to wear light armor... although its stats are usually good for caster types

you can wear heavy armor which usually gives more phys kinda stats and be doing less magic dmg but have a lot more defense

You can also mix an match if you choose

[shut portal]

nice

thank you

currently downloading been wanting to play for a long time

[nocturne valve]

the one thing I would have liked to known first time, pick a ranged weapon and melee weapon as when you level by killing mobs it raises those weapon levels equally. You might wanna grab all the various starting weapons in the riverlands starting area and see what you like

[shut portal]

does everyone start in the same area, or their respective home cities

[nocturne valve]

like as a mage, I really have grown to love the shortbow... so I like to go with a magic dmg dealing an stat shortbow and a greatsword

Currently you can choose anvils or riverlands

[shut portal]

cool

[nocturne valve]

Riverlands is the most fleshed out

Anvils is not recommended as first time user

[shut portal]

thanks for the heads up

certain races excel at certain combos or is it pretty equal

[nocturne valve]

its purely cosmetic at this point and I believe it will mostly stay that way

[shut portal]

great thanks

[solid arrow]

is rogue fun? who's more mobile ranger or rogue? i love gathering so that means lots of running around and killing mobs around and if things get spicy to gtfo, who's better for that?

[languid bronze]

I'd say Rogue is the more mobile one, and is excellent for gathering

[mint terrace]

rogue is way more fun, it's a newer class with a better design, Ranger still needs reworks to get to that point

[stoic loom]

The only gripe I have as a ranger is that I use more mana than a mage

[frail shell]

I love the spell greatsword for mob farming, spell shortbow for mana regeneration during big combat

[regal latch]

Can the cleric use a shield atm

[rancid spade]

Rogue is op broken. Ranger is an oom turret that loses to all classes and is the most immobile class besides cleric.

[solid pendant]

Ranger needs a complete remake imo, worst class for all content

[strong stump]

Hello, which weapons are actually the best for cleric ? I supposed scepter / book but I've seen some guides using greatsword / book. Do you have any preference and why ? Thanks a lot

[warm python]

If you planning to use range over melee, then the greatsword is basically there for a stat bump. I like the book personally, but it’s slower and has splash damage. Wand and focus is great though

[drifting radish]

AURA

[sterile wren]

yeah rogue is the play for sure, i wish they'd change ranger to actually support melee/ranged hybrid instead of just being archer with an aoe root but i've accepted that wont happen with the way their classes are role silos

[balmy agate]

personally archer kinda feels like a mage rn, they took a lot of inspiration from archeage archer archetypes but didnt go all the way with the player agency that let you kite at full speed, theres a lot of cast times where the slow feels like it might as well be stationary and shortbow doesnt feel that different compared to longbow since longbow has an attack speed buff in its weapon tree

and physical speed isnt a stat that you really need a shortbow to get a lot of, its mostly just a more mobile auto attack

give me primeval/ebonsong, let me kite

and that might be a hot take but i feel like its what made archeage archer feel so much better than like a wow hunter, it wasnt just a stand back and press buttons class it actually took some degree of mechanical skill

I think shortbow needs a reduced slow during casts in its skill tree, and the camera angle need to be a bit more forgiving on canceling skills

At least for ranger

[last marsh]

It is very apparent which archetypes were designed first, and which were designed more recently. I'm sure an update pass is planned for ones like ranger, which frankly feel lackluster.

[balmy agate]

This is true but I feel that what I'm saying also isnt specific to ranger even tho Its the most heavily affected, it's that the player agency feels somewhat lackluster, camera angle to target feels restrictive, and lateral movement speed needs to be increased for all classes imo, I'd use archeage or even wow as a reference for how you can sort of kite at an 80-90 degree angle to your target and just have a lot of freedom/agency despite the restrictions of a tab target system

Most classes and abilities just feel a little too tunnel visioned like I have to look straight ahead to do anything

[sand geyser]

Anyone can tell me what the Siphoning Regeneration talent is from the ranger tree - I really want to put a point into it but it feels so useless

[balmy agate]

usually i just put regeneration on tank, idk if the siphoning point is worth but its 5% lifesteal for ur tank

[loud mantle]

Dear Intrepid,
Please add epic galoshes to the game so my fighter can safely wade through all the blood he spills. Thx

[rain swallow]

How come it’s excellent for gathering? Just started playing and have a level 8 rogue. Trying to figure out how crafting/gathering works so I’m glad you say this haha

[rustic loom]

This this blue bar that surrounds my class icon courage?

[glad cloak]

yes, when you open skill menu with K, on the right side you can mouse over the passives your class has

[languid bronze]

Because stealth is awesome \o/

[rain swallow]

Does gathering not deactivate your stealth??? I thought it did when I tried yesterday

[languid bronze]

it does when you pick it up

[gentle void]

It doesn’t deactivate for hunting only

[rain swallow]

Wait what

So you can gather anything you want in stealth, but when you loot the item you drop stealth? And for hunting you stay invis?

[gentle void]

Nope.
If you mine or lumberjack you will go out of stealth as soon as you start gathering

If you hunt you won’t

[last marsh]

The rogue benefit is being able to sneak past mobs to be able to farm, not do so under their noses. And even then, higher level mobs will see you in stealth.

It has its use cases, but it isn't massively better at it, and other archetypes have strengths as well like bard's consistent hyper mobility to move between resources quickly.

[mental fern]

Is Bard really viable?

[strange bear]

I don’t play bard but theoretically, yes. Most every livestream and video of group content has a few bards because the buffs and support are so good

[hybrid snow]

You need bard in every group as mana battery

[zinc sierra]

Bard is arguably the best class in the game

[twilit swan]

Does anyone know the distribution of classes in current phase? what is popular? I played tank in phase 2 and loved that it was easy to get grps

[next escarp]

holy shit this is so laggy

[hearty basin]

Anyone got any good Bard guides? Just curious of the mechanics of some things and would like to see what people wrote up

[neat hatch]

There's a few videos out there, but I don't know about direct guides. If you have questions, just ask

[glass onyx]

Sephilite Guardian - every few seconds they go away from me (TANK) and aoe attack me including all melee dps and then after 2seconds they come melee again.
Anything i can do against that?

Feels a bit odd and chaotic tanking these

[supple snow]

I see a bunch of clerics for the most part

[gentle void]

Look for @cedar crane on youtube

[sacred fox]

That's just going to be the different mob behavior. Like if everyone is in melee range of the Zombies that spit the evil green stuff, they will only melee attack and not spit. Got to hug them to death, which is a problem if you pull other mobs that you want to spread out for.
Sounds like the other melee Archetypes need to learn to backup/pay attention for the mob you are talking about to not be in the AOE.

[glass onyx]

Ye, but im hugging them, they still will take 4 steps back, aoe attack me and then come in melee again

I guess thats just how they are intended, just can get on my nerve sometimes

[sacred fox]

The Sephilite Guardians all like to backup to do their aoe better and can get stuck in walls.
If you are fighting them as a Tank, your back should be to the open and let the mob back up a bit while they do that attack and it doesn't hit anyone else. Range auto it during that time and then go back to melee and skills.
All mobs are kind of a trade off of what you want to deal with and will probably only get more noticeable once we can get our max lvl up to 30, 40, and finally 50

[rustic loom]

What are Tanks AoE attacks?

Currently level 7 (or 8, I forget)

[elder talon]

the most important one by far is Intimidating Aura

unless they changed its threat generation, it was insane

[rustic loom]

Yeah but it doesn't really do a lot of damage

Right now all my attacks are just single target

[elder talon]

in a group setting it’s still the best one, the threat gen is incredible

for damage you get the ground slam later, at low levels you have the alternative versions of pulverize and shield slam

they both have aoe versions

tbf I haven’t played tank since phase 2 so I might be wrong about everything

[fossil shale]

I feel like a lot of Ranger spells would benefit if it triggered on hit effects or speed up your ranged weapon finishers.

But since Rangers are free to use things like Physcial Books it defeats the purpose.

[solid arrow]

i'm having doubts, i'm mostly solo player, started as ranger because i tough that dealing with mobs would be easy alone and since i wanted to do gathering, having movement speed buff will be beneficial. but now for some reason i just don't enjoy the class, it's bad, i just spent a lot of tiem on gear, reached level 12 and i'm still worst in the group, less hp then anyone else, lots of misses even with raven buff, feels bad, maybe i should switch to cleric? would be easier to find groups that way as well

[fossil shale]

If you're mostly a solo player, I recommend rogue or fighter. Rogue has multiple means to get health regen in combat, mana, and has multiple escape tools.

Fighter if you manage to slug your way through the early levels becomes a powerhouse when you finally get access to lifesteal.

Or wait till SoonTM Summoner

[bright cypress]

Surely summoner will be crisp and polished with no bugs and not be either ridiciously over tuned/under tuned

[rancid spade]

Ranger needs a re-work.

[jaunty bone]

CLASS: Fighter, SKILL: Blood Fusion. I am under the impression that over 6 seconds whatever damage I do is given back to me as 100% health and 50% mana. When I look at this my lethal blow does 100 damage but only gives me 3 health back. Am I misunderstanding the skill and usage of it. Or is this maybe a bug? Hope someone can clear this up for me so I make sure to utilize the skill correctly.

[wintry portal]

we can dream right?

[bright cypress]

We can

[quasi rampart]

i have been using my logging axe in stealth the past few days it only drops when im looting

[solid arrow]

that should be illegal right

[quasi rampart]

why would it be illegal

[solid arrow]

while archers have to kill all mobs and their family around the node, someone is just stealth farming and then running away

[quasi rampart]

i didnt know it wasnt a thing

im a ranger

[solid arrow]

then you are bugged

because for me it's instant drop

as soon as i start the animation

[quasi rampart]

ok well im sorry about that for u but asking for a ban for something like that is crazy lol. To me it seems like ur just upset cause your bugged.

[solid arrow]

i'm joking

that's not bannable ofc

[quasi rampart]

lol i didnt know i was like wtf did i do it aint like im killing raid bosses while they are standing still not attacking and getting the best loot in the game atm

[solid arrow]

but yeah, i was raging in chat yesterday that mobs just start respawning again and agro on me while i try to get the resource

after killing all of them just to get the resource

[quasi rampart]

it does that for me to if the mobs catch me i can only do it if the mobs are blue

[tender wing]

Please disable World Bosses to spawn every reset. Items are flooding in and ruining the whole P3 balance.

[last marsh]

P3 balance is already dead and buried.

On the drops side, the people who used totally legitimate gameplay methods that coincidentally nobody can do now have already farmed the shit out of them.

On the crafting side, people have been camping static nodes for two weeks and filled all their storages with legendary mats from said static spawns.

The goose is cooked. You can't un-cook it.

[wary nova]

You got healed for 50 from lethal blow

[jaunty bone]

Shouldn’t the 50 be below it. It makes it seem as if hemorrhaging did it

Wanna make sure I’m reading it right

Possibly just bugged

[wary nova]

Should be

[jaunty bone]

Skills working just the log that’s fucky. Earlier I was fighting a Minotaur and it was giving me damage from a mushroom dude.

[jaunty bone]

Appreciate it.

[long cobalt]

clerics u running heavy armor?

[meager shuttle]

#alpha-two-archetype-chat message

[tropic fox]

i like to mix n match heavy and light for resistance. and trying to get stat passives i need

[snow cloak]

how r people building bard, as healers or as dps mainly? Trying to decide if I want to build healers weapons or dps weapons

[glad cloak]

Mana bard is the default for a group.
If mana is fine you see if you have enough healing, and go healer bard. You can solo heal if you are geared enough, as long as tank isn’t getting nailed.
Usually healing is fine, so then you go damage bard.

Fuel > being alive > dead enemies

[snow cloak]

ye i more so mean like, are people building gear with healer stats (crit healing) or dps stats (mag crit)

@glad cloak

i know mana regen is the play

[glad cloak]

Magic power and max hp, some universal defense.

Stats like crit chance are 50% as effective for healing. Your resonance mana gen can’t crit as far as I know. Haste doesn’t affect gambit, your interrupt or your dances, your melody ticks etc. regen stats are poop imo.

Other stats you will get passively or aren’t worth the effort of min-maxing over, is all I will say anyways

https://tenor.com/view/elmo-burning-hell-gif-1773731824984430627

You could be naked with 2 good weapons and you are stronger than 80% of the playerbase.

Going from 120 to 240 power makes you as strong as two people. The value of power is extreme in this game cause there’s no base values for scaling skills

I think these things are widely known among active players anyways

[glad cloak]

You could specialize and go for healing power. But there’s only like 2 equipment slots where it would matter. And the impact so low to not be worth it. Leave that to the clerics

[snow cloak]

@glad cloak Thanks for your insight!

[quick path]

bard is superior healer, clerics only around as a res bot. shielding serenade saga and melody all aoe and you get defensive passives for whole group with glee and iirc joy. ive had no problem healing whole group when cleric dies or dc's

[keen gorge]

true, all clerics are weeb scum

[tropic fox]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-saUDoiuWc

[quick path]

its not that. they have some great single target healing but. alot of times its over healing and a waste especially with some of the cast times. ive played both and they are both good.

[supple snow]

As far as ranger goes. Are we in the longbow or shortbow camp

[meager shuttle]

#alpha-two-archetype-chat message

[silent topaz]

As ranger? I'm in the physical book camp

[bright cypress]

well its your lucky day, plenty of level 20 phys books for like 5g

[tepid spindle]

Doesnt the books scale on magic dmg for combo attacks? or is the tooltip wrong?

[elfin ember]

One would think so but during P2 I couldn't see a noticable difference. In fact the Book's combo finisher slapped the Longbow out of the water, but Longbow does have the range advantage and isn't going to accidentally pull aggro from extra mobs by accident

[silent topaz]

If it scaled on magic damage, then all of the magic bows that bards use etc. would have to scale on physical... I don't see them doing that

[bright cypress]

I swear some of the book later nodes do. Like arrow storm

but thats about all I ever noticed with spellbows

[rustic loom]

Hey what are some tank tips you guys have?

That are specifically unique to this game and this class, not necessarily general tank tips as I've played tank roles in other MMO's

[meager shuttle]

have hands and play with people who have hands

otherwise you will have a bad time

dying is punishing

[tepid spindle]

I would say the biggest difference from other MMOs is the active block, it can really save your ass from a big hit or buy the healers enough time to get shit under control again

and yeah, what Daven said, you will be the first to die every fuckin time, so befriend good healers and stay the fuck away from healers without hands, your wallet will thank you

no fun dying 3-4 times and paying 20 silver in repairs

[meager shuttle]

before you block you should dodge obv you need to know when to dodge

[tepid spindle]

yeah, some abilities have a very narrow hitzone, so its enough to take two steps to the side, not worth blowing half you stamina bar

[rustic loom]

Wait you can dodge attacks?

Like I know dodge roll is a thing, but thought that just gave iframes

[tepid spindle]

not only positional dodge, there are i-frames in the dodge

well, the main objective of the dodge is to move you out of the hitbox right?

but with good timing you can iframe target cast projectiles

[rustic loom]

Ok, cause what I was taught in other MMO's is not to move around too much because then your DPS/Healers AoE's may not hit the enemy depending how they're grouped up

[tepid spindle]

this is a good point, but you learn to be situational with your judgements with experience right

this is just "you should know" tips

[rustic loom]

Ok

[meager shuttle]

technically not iframes it gives you just 100% evasion

[rustic loom]

Ah ok

[meager shuttle]

there are hard hitting abilities that can and should be dodged

[bright cypress]

which are learned on a mob by mob basis

but they are normally pretty quickly learned I feel

[meager shuttle]

for example heavy slash or whatever its called from marauders it hits quite hard

[bright cypress]

party members can/should also be ccing them

[rustic loom]

I haven't encountered any yet in the game, closest was the ravens divebomb attack, which does 100-130 damage

[bright cypress]

silence/interupt, trip/knockdown/stun/incap ext

[meager shuttle]

or some casting abilities, say firestarters do flame through that does a flame puddle beneath you which you could dodge to either get out or place the puddle not in meele range

usually that cast will/should be cc tho

[bright cypress]

I would say the biggest tip to be a tank is get very familiar to your skillset. Like chain/pull thing can pull 1 mob from a pack without social aggro/linking others, and thats important to do.

[meager shuttle]

or in pvp when you see a dumbass ranger snipe in front of you, you can dodge roll it

[rustic loom]

Alright

Yeah cause I'm only level 8 atm, soon to be 9

[meager shuttle]

if you go oakenbane you might encounter the dudes with big 2h sword chopper i believe they are called they do a heavy cleave attack which is a cast so you should dodge it

sometimes they spin as well but it will follow you, so be mindful ideally root him

[rustic loom]

Ok

[bright cypress]

they will also use "Miniacal laughter" after which they channel a whirlwind. A good bard should silence it right after negating that but, if they don't / get reistsed, you gotta dodge it out of the party. Or it'll kill all melee/anyone channeled on.

goblins are annoying in general because they "Rally" then will drop all aggro and just, roll around to headbutt people at random.

This is not a tanks fault I think, just them being what they are

[rustic loom]

Me, chains and CC's what I can

[bright cypress]

they roll around and headbutt like 2-3 times before they resume normal activity

idk if its a temp threat drop or a just, flatout threat drop

I know threat on AoC is weird, mostly taunt based I feel but I legit have never played tank, just hwat I've osmosis'd from partying

[rustic loom]

Definitely seems damage based giving my readings on tank so far. Almost all tank moves have 100%+ threat generation

[bright cypress]

maybe thats it. I know tanks also very gear dependant, or feels it. Could be part of that too

[rustic loom]

Yeah tanks also seem very gear dependent too

One of my biggest issues on tank is how majority of abilities cancel auto combo's, which I feel hurt it a lot

Cause it seems tanks rely on those finishers A LOT for maximum potential

[meager shuttle]

Eh not really, it does for every class btw with some instantcast abilities exceptions

[rustic loom]

Well one of the finisher stuff is ward, and idk about you but that's VERY helpful. I noticed a difference

[meager shuttle]

I know the finishers its decent but not so much so that you cuck yourself, manage it

[elfin coyote]

ward is useless. even if you have 10000 health it would only be 100 overshield which is easily destroyed so not even to mention the 5k that most are sitting at currently which is 50 overshield

[dark robin]

50 heal every 3 seconds isn't terrible. I think it can double too

It's the sum of it's parts:

• heal DoTs
• class shield spells
• Ward weapon passive
• (option) life steal gear/consumable

[cerulean folio]

Anyone got a good build for Ranger?

[rustic loom]

Yeah

[solid arrow]

any experienced rangers around? i want to ask you about your experience at max level

How is the dmg in pve?
Do you find use for all marks on only 1-2 are good?
What the time to kill in pvp? are you missing/criting a lot?
How fast you die in pvp?

[rancid spade]

Scenario's are different. All depends on gear, what mobs, what pvp scale etc.

[little yacht]

worst class in pve, pvp is fine

[fossil shale]

To iterate ahead of time, there are many scenarios regarding the type of mob that is being fought, is it fully geared vs fully geared groups, et cetera. But assuming all things equal here's my take.

How is the dmg in pve?- Compared to Mage, Rogue, Fighter, they're sadly the worst of the bunch when it comes to group play. They can do a lot in terms of securing the first touch on a named boss or other mob with their bear trap, but beyond that, they tend to have a hard time when it comes to a dps race between two 8 man squads. I won't say it isn't possible to win, but they need some help that is for sure. They are a favorite for solo/duo players to go hunt and take down named to farm items though, so I'll give that as a -technical- plus.

Do you find use for all marks on only 1-2 are good? It depends. There's a lot of different scenarios.

What the time to kill in pvp? are you missing/criting a lot?- PVP is fine for them, cause all their different traps they can lay down are nice ways of creating soft cc to bait/force cc breaks and cleanses. Time that an enemy could be spending actually doing damage/healing, whatever. They tend to get dropped in favor of rogue/mage who just does their job better in almost every way right now.

How fast you die in pvp?- About as fast as anyone, they don't really die early, but they'll get wiped once the bard/clerics are down and there's little to nothing they can do about it.

[solid arrow]

Thank you a lot! Sad to hear about pve 🙁 hopefully they change something, when it comes to marks, does pen work in pve?

what is main stat for rangers? dex or str?

and also should i go max crit chance or pen on wep passives? or both

[wraith patio]

mate went with with shortbow/2h-axe full crit and is loving it

[fossil shale]

100%

Either or, you can go full phys power if you want, or you can go for crit/pen/whatever. There are "BiS" items or whatever, but they're slowly adding multiple types of good sets. Like right now you have a couple places at 25 that are great for Ranger. You can go to Carph and try there, you can try in the Jundark, you can also go to the Brood Pit in the desert.

[versed creek]

guys, mage or rogue rn

[queen spire]

Group or solo type player?

Prefer pve or pvp?

Crafter / gatherer?

Very vague question u got there

[versed creek]

Group eventually, solo now
both
crafter

[versed stag]

What's the best class to play solo? pve/gather

[fossil shale]

Rogue. You get a grappling hook at later levels, and early on you can use your stealth, and harvest. It won't break stealth until after the bar has finished gathering the item, and usually if you're quick enough you can just restealth even in dangerous areas.

[dark robin]

Rouge is also RP as a solo player anyways

[versed stag]

Mmm and it's good for grinding in PvE? for multiple pulls i mean, solo target probaly has a lot of dmg

[versed stag]

And how works that thing of the steal and gathering, sometimes it break my steal and others dont

[spark crane]

Stealth duration timing out?

[versed stag]

Nope

Sorry for the quality, i needed to low bitrate, fps, and resolution to get a clip which i can put here in discord

[frosty sonnet]

@mighty nimbus have you looked at Enchanter from EQOA or EQ at all when considering group utility for Summoner?

Damage was a subset of skills used but they had some mana battery capabilities like bard.

[worthy beacon]

for healer... best off hand weapon? reason?

[meager shuttle]

#alpha-two-archetype-chat message

[fading creek]

how yall feeling about fighters, they out the loop now with rogues in?

[meager shuttle]

no?

[exotic raptor]

Coming from a rogue that used to play fighter. Fighter is still a badass. More sustain, can take a hit better, more hp. Just doesn't have anywhere near the utility the rogue does. An average fighter is better than an average rogue but the skill ceiling for rogue is much higher and you can pull of some crazy stuff that the fighter cant.

[dark robin]

Rogue is best when no one is paying attention to the rogue

Small scale pvp? Great! Have your cleric, tank, and mage, all grab attention of enemy team. Then, let the rogue sneaky sneaky behind them and kachow

[static spire]

anyoen do the math on processing mats and taxes for a JM tool?

[bright cypress]

maybe someone in #alpha-two-artisan-chat ?

[hushed zephyr]

Worst class in the game, that's about it.

[weak moth]

damn is it still bad in PvP?

[meager shuttle]

its not

[hushed zephyr]

Well, there were no balance changes in months

[mint flax]

Came to ask about fighter but it seems like someone already asked today lol

[meager shuttle]

fighter is good

[hushed zephyr]

Fighter is bad

[mint flax]

what makes it good or bad?

[meager shuttle]

high dmg, sustain and and pressure

bad is that ur quite gear depended because you dont have the defensives as a rogue and also not the mobility or the cc

[mint flax]

gotcha so rogue just over all performs better

[meager shuttle]

they dont have the same dmg but rogue kits is quite better

also lot harder to play well

[hushed zephyr]

Being melee without good defensives outside of life leech. Also being essentially a melee mage. Fighter has cast times on several important abilities that easily miss moving targets. All Fighter has is CC spam (but 2 CCs = 10 seconds of immunity on the enemy), decent damage and short duration life leech.

[hushed zephyr]

Rogue has a complete kit. Fighter is like a slapped together first iteration.

[meager shuttle]

fighter has high base hp

[mint flax]

Ty, i was going to reroll fighter and start down south. I made my rogue up north, but if thats how fighter is I'm just going to figure out how to get my rogue south.

[hushed zephyr]

translates to what, 200-300 more HP than a mage at lvl 25?

[meager shuttle]

should be 500+

[hybrid quiver]

How are Clerics in pvp?

[nova rune]

Summoners in yet? Or was it pushed out?

[last marsh]

Summoner will probably be coming mid november.

[meager shuttle]

good

[hybrid quiver]

Do they have killing power or just pure support? I assume their movement is bad.

[meager shuttle]

they only have wings as movement ability, they do have some killing power but you cant delete people

best think you could do is to stack up burning and go for insta judgement smite before you prepop silence (though idk if circle is fixed yet)

[hybrid quiver]

I generally play the paladin like classes. Think ret in wow. Big melee, but solid support. Should I pivot to fighter?

[meager shuttle]

play whats fun for you if you wanna play as dmg then dont play cleric its a healer

[last marsh]

Fighter feels more like a ret paladin for sure

[hybrid quiver]

I love playing support. I just dont like leveling support when you have no ability to kill anything.

[meager shuttle]

in 1v1 you are actually quite strong by just being able to outsustain

as pve you can actually solo aoe farm though only by lower level mobs who dont hit as hard

you just meele them down and use circle/wave on repeat and heal yourself

its very gear depended how much you can pull

[last marsh]

Indeed, cleric is very capable of solo grinding

[hybrid quiver]

Hmm. If I got the other route, does Fighter have any support or ability to heal still? In phase 2 they had some leech abilities if I remember.

[meager shuttle]

the kit itself is unchanged just some interactions are different now

[last marsh]

Fighter has a self healing ability but you do not gain access to it until relatively high level.

[meager shuttle]

its lvl 11 or 12?

so not really high lvl

[last marsh]

You're going to spend quite a few hours grinding without it is the point. So if you want something with sustain from the outset, it isn't the play.

[meager shuttle]

lvl 12 ye

you can reach lvl 12 in like under 3hrs

its not that big of a deal

[hybrid quiver]

Okay. I have a friend that just purchased the alpha and is really interested in the Bard. Is either of them a good pairing with a bard?

[meager shuttle]

anything is good with a bard

[last marsh]

Both cleric and fighter would pair well with bard. But as a pair, cleric + bard is going to have a way easier time getting into grinding parties.

I would argue it is the stronger pair for duo grinding as well. With proper gameplay and resource management you will be able to sustain forever and take on relatively difficult enemies safely.

[hybrid quiver]

Cool. Only other question, is anything just broken right now. Is any class just op or under performing?

[last marsh]

None of them are particularly OP, none of them are nonviable.

[meager shuttle]

Bard is the most op class

Rogue as well in certain areas

[last marsh]

But yeah probably 8 out of 10 people would say that bard is "the best class" at the moment overall.

[meager shuttle]

The other classes arent bad bad though

It is the most op its not even a debate

[last marsh]

The gap isn't enough to be like "you should play class X and forget class Y" though.

[meager shuttle]

Nimble dance alone makes it insanly broken

[hybrid quiver]

Well, my alt has always been a rogue. Maybe I should play that lol.

[meager shuttle]

Rogue and bard have a higher skill ceiling within their kit as their kits are more fleshed out

Rogue has a lot of buttons to press

[last marsh]

But again, as a pair cleric+bard is probably the best possible combo of 2 that you could have in terms of what you can reliably fight and how easily you can find groups.

[hybrid quiver]

I generally like the heavy armor, big 2 hander style. Are clerics in heavy armor generally or light?

[meager shuttle]

This is an alpha tryout stuff see whats fun really, dont think about it too hard

[last marsh]

They can wear either depending on the situation.

[meager shuttle]

#alpha-two-archetype-chat message

[last marsh]

Armor "weight class" should not really be a deciding factor at all because every archetype can wear every type of armor. The type of enemies you are planning to fight is the main factor there.

[hybrid quiver]

cool. Ty for info.

[hard fog]

For fighters is the gear for them heavy or medium, the loading screen made it look like its leather

[hushed zephyr]

Cleric is definitely more Priest-like than Paladin. Fighter has no support whatsoever. So do you want to be a support caster or hit things in melee?

[hushed zephyr]

Gear type only determines what type of mitigation you get. Theoretically being an all-Light Fighter is the best choice in PvP, but I don't think there's enough light armor with physical stats out there.

[ionic plume]

Might be able to make a paladin type when secondary classes come out but not right now

[magic blaze]

Why can’t I click on equipment crafting

rank 20

[meager shuttle]

#alpha-two-archetype-chat message

[ionic plume]

You have a macro at this point to ref to that comment 😂

[meager shuttle]

not yet

[weak lion]

Fighter can get regen as early as level 7 with form of fluidity. But , Momentum builds slowly and drops quickly. You need the fastest attack speed to build Momentum to 100%. Thus, Shortbow with 1H/Shield or 1H/Focus, generally the longsword. Daggers can work as well.

[ruby pebble]

I've never in my life have seen so many inaccurate statements in my life regarding fighter 😆

[sacred fox]

The recipe is broken, it should have some processed wood included in it going by the trend of recipes for App tools. Even if you could correctly guess and have the right wood, without it there to add it, it won't work. All the Metal JM tools are broken atm. Hopefully a fix for them in 13 ish hours.

[sage canopy]

https://tenor.com/view/ops-gif-8496233822597223562

[stuck kraken]

If bards didn't have nimble dance then ranger root would be op. They bring balance to eachother

[meager shuttle]

https://tenor.com/view/wait-what-huh-confused-shocked-gif-24485219

[quick path]

Dex fight with daggers. Was literally 2.5

[meager shuttle]

Because of the stats

Meele weapon literally does not matter outside pve abit but even then no one cares

And you use longbow

And the fluidity regen is pretty ass

The evasion is pretty neat if you do solo stuff tho or your tank dies

[ionic plume]

Pretty much only use the regen to stance swap to when running between fights for that itty bitty bit of extra stuffe

[little yacht]

even fighter sustain is dogshit these days

bard is the true solo farming king now

[ionic plume]

Liked it in phase 2. with 2 pieces of lifesteal gear and rotating your cds properly you could pull a shit load

[meager iris]

What is the best DPS clas so far on this alpha?

[meager iris]

Elabortate please 😉

[meager shuttle]

bard

[hard fog]

My tank and fighter have no problem with solo content that is level appropriate it just seems they are gear dependent. The sustain on a fighter is great once you hit level 10 and the tank can take a beating and survive multiple mobs just fine.

[quick mesa]

whats the most annoying archetype in pvp ? Someone you dont want to attack ?

mine is cleric in heavy armour with spellsword, shield and spellbow, should be close 🙂

[meager iris]

What xD Support has best dps?! xDDDDD

[quick mesa]

im more after who you dont want to attack solo, cause it too annoying... can be that it lasts too long, can be that its equal for hours...
i want to do a hunter and need an archetype that can kill solo (hasnt to be fast)... and first of all survives

pretty sure, my cleric isnt that bad for that

[fossil shale]

Same applies to carpentry tools.

[quick path]

i mean honestly thats gonna be based on skills but most annoying ive personally watched. Bard. watched a mfr go 3deaths -20kills on a 8 man group solo

[fossil shale]

That is because Bard has multiple means of self sustain, and you can single a one man group target out of a fight for like what? 20+ seconds or so between Marionette and Mesmer dance?

[quick path]

no he was against a whole 8 man team lol

[quick mesa]

marionette is 10 secs

[quick path]

no fighting indiviually

[quick mesa]

ah, messmer dance

i play a bard too, but only low

oki, back to game, have to write down the whole warhelm curse question line

[exotic raptor]

Tanks...

[fossil shale]

Tanks. Cause they're literally just a damage sponge that sits there and barely contributes to combat.

Unlike pvp in say EQ2, where they could use their threat generation to forcibly drag your tab target to them if you aren't paying enough attention to switch it back, in this game there is no such mechanic, so as a tank you can do nothing other than throw out a couple of trips a/o stuns and wait for the enemy in an 8v8 scenario to wipe your squad and save you as the delicious crab whose shell they have to break at the end like some signature dish.

[quick mesa]

hm, two spots are filled already and i always play mages and love pet playing... tank sounds nice, ill give it a try

[spring moss]

Video?

[little yacht]

self heals, control, good dps

[meager iris]

Question was about dps not self sustain, survi or overall class skill possibilities 😛

[little yacht]

can't dps if you're dead

[solar turret]

Is the game still going the main / sub class system or is that gone?

[spark crane]

https://tenor.com/view/winterz-soon-gif-19096204

[mint terrace]

yes it is but we need all 8 "main classes" first

[quick mesa]

started a tank now just to try... never thought its so much fun, was expecting to regenerate more than fighting... i play with 2hsword and longbow atm

[ruby pebble]

Most of the time I don't want to attack a fighter

Not because their good but because I feel bad they are also playing fighter

Fighters are like a platapus we don't do much

[ruby pebble]

Most annoying classes, realistically bards and rogues.
2 of the most mobile classes in the game however rogue is the best 1 vs 1 class in the game uncontested

[quick mesa]

you got me wrong, im no good pvp player anymore, too old for fast reflexes... i dont look for the best pvp char, i look for a pve char thats extremely annoying to attack for pks

[ruby pebble]

You are never to old for pvp bro

I'm 30 😂

Peaked in elementary school

[quick mesa]

im 60+ 🙂 reflexes arent what they used to be...
still like pvp, but i have no chance against a 25 old good pvp player who plays a fast char

if i do the same

[bitter onyx]

I’m not as old as you but I’m old still GM in OW playing tracer

Just gotta drink a lot of redbull

And don’t waste energy on work or family

[quick mesa]

im privateer now, family is well, so i got time 🙂
but back to chars, pretty sure ill do a cleric for what i need... as hunter (especially for mounts) i just need to live and do decent damage...
but maybe im only the cook, another profession i like

[quick path]

no but if you run into spell watch out XD

[meager shuttle]

if ur bad at it*

that goes for all the classes really

[bright arch]

In all the MMOs I've played it's always been really annoying to try to duel tanks and healers, they are almost immortal in duels. Probably will be the same thing in this game

[ruby pebble]

It's ok to be delusional

[meager shuttle]

i wouldt say so but you do you

[low tide]

I went here to find out how bad the bard is. Last ten chapters in this chat says otherwise. (New player) Just created my toon yesterday - Bard

[bright cypress]

Bards fun and very flexible.

You can/should be adapting to any situation

[fossil shale]

They are extremely flexible as a class. Level 13 when you unlock your saga is also a huge moment. Because it's right around that time where unless you're somehow heavily geared as a level 10, the mana provided by your melody and resonance should no longer be keeping up with the mana output of other classes.

[maiden hearth]

Bard is the best class, we just need the instrument feature to play troll music and it’s perfect.

[meager shuttle]

Its the strongest class in the game

[low tide]

Gotta say, crafting in this game makes albion look like a tutorial. Holy is this really necessary?

[stoic silo]

Grandma!

[fossil shale]

I think the only character that beats bard is just the rogue for sheer damage output a/o disable time.

[meager shuttle]

not really dmg output just so no class can beat rogue 1v1 lol

esp magic classes with umbral cloak shenanigans

[empty olive]

this is a question about item and stats (related to cleric).

is the power ratio 1:1?

This might be completely wrong (cause noob) but my understanding was power -> mag power -> healing power

they all provide the same benefit to healing power but items will typically have more healing power to compensate (or not even have access to the above, broader tiers).

[meager shuttle]

its not 1 to 1 you can see it if you hover over the stats but there are also dr's

[empty olive]

okay, so there's a lot of nuance to it then. but for a cleric is it just as simple as "stack healing power"

or does DR hit really quickly

[meager shuttle]

somewhat yea

generelly speaking its not so much so that you dont want a certain stat at some point

its just that other stats become more valuable at it

[empty olive]

good to know, thanks

[timber epoch]

Anyone got a good video or website giving some good breakdown of Archetypes? I just got the game 1 min ago!

[barren wedge]

google ashes of creations archetypes. there are multiple sites

[radiant echo]

so i have seen some tips of builds for archtypes on few websites such as metabuild ashescodex etc. just all of them r such different that dont know which one to focus on for rogue

[quick path]

This is test not game. There will be more resets. And more things releasing. Last class per Steven scheduled to appear ptr Oct 7. Suggest just having fun and explore

[quick path]

It's all going to continue to change. Last class coming to ptr per Steven oct7 then we have class rework then sub classes then possibly more rework were also waiting on level increase 25 is not max it's just current stopping point

[quick path]

You misunderstand. It's magic power, magical power rating, healing power, healing critical

Power if referring to physical power has not scaling with healing

Magic power gives rating it's like 1:3 or something then you also have finishing return

[exotic raptor]

Im more than happy to discuss rogue builds at some point with you. I do really enjoy testing new ways to build characters.

[queen spire]

You get used to it pretty quick.

Same idea as Albion really though, collect raw, process, craft.

Just need mats to process too

[low tide]

Ifi'm trying to decide whether to use a wand - if so what would be my off hand?

And which is faster finisher a Wand or a shortbow?

[worthy violet]

for rogue's ranged weapon, would you go for shortbow or longbow and why?

[low tide]

Preference and or finishers

Range

[quasi slate]

Can someone explain me for how many seconds Thump Skill applies the Dazed status? Because it’s not specified in the Skill description.

[exotic raptor]

I dont really pay attention to it honestly. The silence is the more important part. I think it lasts the same as the silence though.

[simple dragon]

Nintendo filed a patent for summoning a ‘little monster’ or sub character to fight. Is ashes summoner cooked?

[quasi slate]

It depends—I’m looking at it more from a PvP perspective, and in my opinion, in this case Dazed (Stun) is more important. As a PvP and Assassins/Rogues/Thiefs Class Veteran, first thought that comes to my mind when I see this Skill is using it as a combo with: Thump > Feint > Backstab

[exotic raptor]

Dazed isn't a stun though.

Pretty sure that one is 25% decreased casr speed

Cast

Im built purely for pvp so I get what your going for. That just isn't a stun. We dont have any stuns. We have sleeps, silence, root and with a fair amount of setup a frozen.

Oh we also have a trip

[quasi slate]

That explains a lot.
I’m just reading all Skills descriptions and I see that we don’t have any stun at all, that’s strange

Rogue without Stuns 🤔

[exotic raptor]

The rest is enough. Honestly a stun would be too powerful

We have a lot of utility and can react to a lot of different situations. That being said we can fuck up pretty easy too lol

It is a high skill ceiling class for sure

[quasi slate]

Ok now when I read everything I need about "Status Effects" I think I understand the developers approach to Rogues

[ruby pebble]

As long as you don't go fighter you should be good, fighter just won't be in a good place until it's reworked by bucky himself

Or at least overseen by bucky

[torn mist]

trip is not a stun?

[exotic raptor]

No its a trip

[bright arch]

You have an ability that prevents the opponent from turning around, so that enables more Backstabs

[exotic raptor]

Yeah this is a good one. It also roots

[random blaze]

What I dislike most about bard is the song cancels when you mount so if you are attacked and need to dismount you spend the first 2 min buffing. After which, if you are not dead, you can proceed to ownership. Well that and if you are in PVE group mode you are at a greater disadvantage in a PVP fight than other characters, skill being equal.

[fossil shale]

Yeah. It's painful.

[muted rapids]

Is the summoner class out yet?

[bright cypress]

Nope

Rumor has it october has PTR testing, and november is planned alpha 3 push for it

[coarse oak]

Most awaited update for me, with the Tulnars.

[muted rapids]

Thank you!

[meager shuttle]

So with luck maybe november

[muted rapids]

😂😂

[sinful bluff]

fighters lunging assult should work same way as rogues deaths dance or what ever it called it dmgs everyone its passes through, it super buggy sometime u just go stright through the mob and swing on the other side it such a pain 😛 haha need like a little bit extra range for pvp too tbh it just shy of dodge range unfortuately

[meager shuttle]

That abiluty should just get redone, its super ass

[limber gust]

is there any calss thats like... criminally underepresented right now?

trying to pick a main(at least until summoner is available) and i am on the fense between bard or fighter, but if something is underrepresented ill pla ythat

[meager shuttle]

Bard cleric tank, everyone will thank you

[eager goblet]

Cleric

[violet shoal]

Which is mental because cleric is absolutely cracked as a class

Bard is insane too. Honestly bard cleric and tank are bonkers compared to the dps classes for pvp too, except for the stealthy boi

[radiant echo]

lets do that

So first question should be i think; problematic of heavy armor-medium armor

[bright cypress]

Your normal grind party is 1 tank 2 clerics 1 bard (Or 2 bards but as a bard player, I feel this is over rated/not needed but thats me) - so to agree, bard/cleric/tank are the go too's, cleric having extra weighting for leveling 😄

[warm prism]

2 is fun for damage scale or maybe heal but otherwise yeah

[bright cypress]

I guess yeah.

[warm prism]

Still completely not necessary though lol

[storm umbra]

I'd say 2 bards, easily, over 2 clerics. Bards can at least run different things. Clerics step on each other's toes fairly hard. You only need enough heals to heal nonavoidable damage. If your group is good enough, the things that will lead to wiping or tank deaths will kill them no matter how many clerics you have.

[fossil shale]

I feel like 2 clerics is an absolute must in any high level dungeon like forge/carph and above. Because you just can't take that risk where if the cleric dies suddenly it requires a full scale reset fighting your way back to the beginning in order to pick them up cause nobody can ress them.

If the two bards are good and always keep a gambit available for either the tank or the cleric this isn't techically an issue, but the bard for all their tools can't solve instant death in the event the cleric was grazed by some 1 shot aoe or other skill a high level mob threw at the party.

I've seen cases in forge where we pulled two berserkers at once and they just happened to choose our cleric as the target and threw their axes simultaneously. Like there is just no reacting to that. Just.. death.

And that's coming from a level 25 bard myself.

[split viper]

If I'm your cleric, you only need me 😎

[fossil shale]

Don't get me wrong, you can pull off one cleric, but they better know what they're doing and have good positioning.

There are some very goated clerics out there I have met.

[storm umbra]

In a random pug, I see your point. As the skill level of the group rises the second cleric becomes obsolete. The wasted party slot as a potential backfall for something bad happening can usually be solved with more dps and far more efficiency.

[exotic raptor]

I hate pugs so much

[storm umbra]

A second cleric isn't going to let you heal stupid. If the tank stands in 8 fulminations, you can have 6 clerics, the tank is dead. If that happens, you can still get a res off and stabalize as a solo cleric.

[fossil shale]

Agreed.

On another note, I am a bit concerned with summoner, cause if they make the tank pet too strong, what will happen to the identity of the tank? Especially in the early game. Late game there is no replacement for an actual tank, and summoner is assumed to let the reigns go, but I am sort of concerned that the leveling experience for tank will kind of grind to a halt.

Especially for new players.

[sonic compass]

we know how wow solves tank pets - so will prob be similar - except for the period that they are OP unkillable tanking bots 🙂

[winged rose]

Can't wait for bard ranger mix 😍 give Me ebonsong from archeage

[sleek oar]

Anyone knows the % of magic power contributing to healing power ?

[keen gorge]

seems like it's 70%

[sleek oar]

ok ! thank you 🙂

[torn mist]

Why would that happen?

[tulip charm]

As a ranger, which artisan paths should I focus on? I suppose it should be leatherworking for creating my own body items or?

[warm prism]

Overall, I would do Carpentry and Leatherwork

[bright cypress]

Alternatively: consumables

Tho they are dirt cheap at npc vs crafting cost 🙁

[jaunty wedge]

Guys as anyone playing tank have problem that sometimes courage stop wrk and finishers and skill gain 0 of it?

[snow barn]

Hello,
I'm not sure if this is the right place to ask.

I'm a tank and I play sword + shield.
I don't know if I should go with heavy armor or medium armor.

Which one should I choose?
Thanks!

[quick path]

tanks get tankiness from con "health" heavy armor has bonus set for that.

[meager shuttle]

#alpha-two-archetype-chat message

[snow barn]

Ok
Is medium armor good for tanking with a sword and shield?

[meager shuttle]

#alpha-two-archetype-chat message

[low tide]

This is a dumb question, but I coulndn't find it anywhere.

Is the Spell-greatsword affected by:
A - Phys Speed
B - Mag Speed

🙏🙏🙏

[meager shuttle]

its a good question actually, prior i was told it was affecting by phys speed, there wasn't mag speed stat but casting speed. with p3 phase it should be affected by mag speed

if its working properly

[low tide]

I mean the stat shows "Mag Power" and "Mag Speed"

So

My concern is if swings based on mag speed and not phys speed

[meager shuttle]

concern? are you not a magic class

[low tide]

Yes, but bards rely partly on finishers to deal dam, so faster attac = DPS

[meager shuttle]

yes so you should be good (if it works correctly)

[low tide]

I'm thinking of staccking Mag speed on my gear as well hence

[meager shuttle]

im no bard player so i cant really tell you about that if its a good idea or not

[low tide]

All G thank you!

Seems like Google GPT knows his shid XD

[meager shuttle]

i would wary from ai esp on a game that is still in alpha and not that known yet but the text looks like it has an actual data source haha

[low tide]

Yes, it even knew about resonance (which I didn't indicate at all) The bread and butter DPS core of the bard.

[neat hatch]

I shoot for about 110% mag speed with a wand on Bard. It feels really good at that point especially cause mag speed helps all the other actions to get the resonance even faster

[cyan burrow]

hello fellow bards.. what weapons are you using at 20+ in terms of type.. i'm 10 now and using book/2h mace just by fact of finding a decent one but looking through some of the later books and such idk if that's the way to go in the future

[open rover]

I'm also in the same boat I'ma level 5 bard just restarted because I didn't like the area I chose now I'm farming again trying to build a DPS bard with wand focus and great sword, but gear is impossible to find wondering if anyone has any tips as well

[low tide]

yeah wand goes brrrrt with the extended finisher on bard + alacrity lmao.

Shortbow feels more optimize tho, plus it's so imbalanced to gear up with wand+offhand focus with the economy right now vs just a spellbow IMO.

[low tide]

It's my first time playing the game too, you will suffer not having a decent weapon till lvl 10 like the rest of us XD

[low tide]

If I were to restart, I'd go shortbow/longbow + any 2hand melee you like

(Care to distinct Phys vs Mag weapons btw)

[neat hatch]

Yeah other weapons are a bit easier to get the math done on. I like wand focus to help make sure I get stats exactly where I need them. Also most focus aren't hard to craft. Wands are a bit crazy though lol

[open rover]

I remember phase 1 or 2 I forgot I did a tanky now bard solod mobs with ease but idk if bow is the play still

I'm thinking of what is worth jus trying to get weapon exp early and stuff

[neat hatch]

Even if you switch at 25 to a new weapon, you'll level it fast. I swapped to one handed sword at 18, got the sword to level 17 before I hit 20.

Weapons will level quickly

[lilac pelican]

Ello, curious are there go-to weapon types for a rogue atm or it doesn't matter much?

[meager shuttle]

#alpha-two-archetype-chat message

[neat hatch]

Yeah right now basically anything is viable. It's just a matter of figuring out the stats you want and then figuring out what weapon suits you best. Like that spears have a lot of range which could be helpful for rogue

[meager shuttle]

well for meele weapons no it does not matter at all beside pve which is irrelevant in pvp the ranged weapon matters

as thats the one weapon you are actually using

and ranged weap is mostly longbows across the board because the extra range with some exceptions

[neat hatch]

Rogues will absolutely be using melee weapons in pvp. What are you talking about?

[meager shuttle]

i wanna see the rogue thats starts unpacking meele finisher combos in pvp

[neat hatch]

A rogue with daggers after a push will get a finisher off faster than with long bow giving them advantage faster to then do more abilities

[meager shuttle]

so you want to go in meelerange and start auto attacking people who conveniently not move instead of using abilities 🤨

[neat hatch]

It's both and situational? Especially for rogue

[meager shuttle]

ignoring the fact that finishers are mostly normalised though stats are obv diff but that aside

[neat hatch]

What do you mean normalized through stats?

[meager shuttle]

abilities reset your auto attack sequence beside some instant cast so not really

i didnt said through

[neat hatch]

Then what do you mean by normalized? I don't have a whole lot of time on rogue, but I know finishers can give rogues advantage and certain weapon types favor more speed over power giving you faster animations to get finishers off quicker cause it's the same thing for Bard which I do play

[meager shuttle]

a finisher is a sequence of attacks some weapons have more attacks such as daggers or shortbow and some has less as longbow but the time to finish your weapon combo its roughly the same across the board

shortbow and daggers tend to give more phys/magic speed which does decreases the time til you finish the combo

i havent played bard so im not sure but dont they use shortbow and wands due to the application on hit?

[neat hatch]

Yes, but I focus on getting magic speed up to decrease the time it takes to get a finisher off as well as decreasing the cast bar of any channel attack and to decrease animations of instant abilities as my way of doing more damage is getting more resonance faster. All I'm saying in is what melee you have does matter since they also vary what kind of stats they can have. Having a long bow is good, but if you rush in as a rogue and you need advantage quicker, you'll probably get a finisher faster with a dagger then resetting to distance and hitting with long bow

[atomic violet]

Think the important question to bring up here is how much pvp you've done? Because group pvp in ashes greatly leans towards range play.

[neat hatch]

Lots, but again I play Bard as main with only a little PVP with rogue. My focus for both is actions per minute as both require a lot of input to be better

[meager shuttle]

hence #alpha-two-archetype-chat message

[neat hatch]

That's a very useless thing to say

[meager shuttle]

not really its mainly about stat gain

[neat hatch]

Except there's plenty reason to take more speed over power

[meager shuttle]

eventually you will lean more towards specific stats

but thats way after

[neat hatch]

There's plenty reason to take evasion over defense

[meager shuttle]

that depends on the actual stat gains

[neat hatch]

It is about learning what you like and balancing what's effective. But just saying higher number better isn't true especially with diminishing returns

[meager shuttle]

you wouldt take 50 evasion over 300 defense

dr's aside

[neat hatch]

I don't remember what those actually turn into off the top of my head, but I may take more evasion

[meager shuttle]

#alpha-two-archetype-chat message

[neat hatch]

If someone's evasion puts them higher than anothers accuracy the chance for them to miss starts going way up

[meager shuttle]

im not saying its 100% the truth but over 90%

[meager shuttle]

^ i dont like going in circles

[neat hatch]

Again, saying higher number is better is just not a good and useful thing to say

[meager shuttle]

https://tenor.com/view/tupac-sad-sigh-gif-13059499

[neat hatch]

Nah I'm fine with arguing about it, not enough people have played around with stats outside of higher power =better which is not the case with this game. Definitely helpful but not required

[meager shuttle]

but it is for the vast majority of the time

[pale stag]

So is there a good guide for playing Bard as a Mana support? Especially early on?

[neat hatch]

It's a little rough for mana Bard to maintain a full party that is leveling, especially if fighters and mages are involved. Once you can unlock your themes (books at the second from top) getting wonder and making sure to build resonance and get the stacks off and you'll be fine

I think it's level 11 or 12 when you can get your first theme ready

[meager shuttle]

Whoisroxis has a yt guide afaik

[low tide]

Lol rogues gotta go melee range to use melee abilities ofc. But you'd still see them with sbow/lbow regardless. Game needs to implement some advantages with holding melee weapons in pvp to be viable, otherwise, there's no reason not to use a bow/wand.

[low tide]

a bit outdated tho + heavily leans on PVE mechanics, but that's where I'd start.

[meager shuttle]

Idk im no bard guy

I know theres an icyvein guide too but its older too so i reckon outdated as well