alpha-two-archetype-chat

[sinful bluff]

compitent cleric/fighter takes rangers only job away (the root)

[ionic plume]

Or maybe tank.. we never have enough of those

[elder talon]

Yeah they really need to change xp to not be based on mob hp

It just really incentivizes grinding against boring tank mobs

[tulip grotto]

Noooooo don't nerf my shardlings

[sinful bluff]

was soloing 3 star tank mobs in highwayman for rogue xp last weekend :p was stupid was like 60k xp lol for something that did no dmg

[umbral seal]

Izzy picked rogue. His hate/sadness for the tank is really real

@spiral grove

[sinful bluff]

to be fair i picked rogue too as a replacement ranger since they kinda fked rangers over imo (well mage 2.0 that not as good as the original)

[timber solstice]

a mage isnt a tank, why taunt? and isnt lifesteal physical damage, wouldnt a mage need spellvamp or something? also doubling blink distance is absurd lol, but even if it was doubled youd need to use it multiple times to get from win to halc...

I figure adjusting a skill is easier than making a whole new one with its own set of bugs and issues lol

[meager shuttle]

https://tenor.com/view/monkey-wash-face-face-wash-monkey-gif-23784999

[umbral seal]

This can't be more real. You'll start seeing this when you equip daggers while using your bow as your main autoattack type. Use a melee ability in melee range on your target and see your rogue still prioritize bow autoattacks over dagger autoattacks.

Another reason why Greatswords are just...better.

[echo sky]

New to the game and I have some time before a3... What level is a good level to get a decent feel for most archetypes?

[meager shuttle]

25

But to see each ability you only need to reach 11 or 12

[echo sky]

Guess I got some grinding to do! 😅 thank you!

[sinful bluff]

15 probaly the lowest level to see how a kit runs u get a few end skills so u can try some combo together with them

i wouldnt recomend tank or rangers either atm they probaly have the weakest kits/most issues the other seem to work well though, dmg might be lacking atm across the board potentially after stat changes that still need some minor tweaking although only had 1 weekend to test those changes so far

[meager shuttle]

https://tenor.com/view/wait-what-huh-confused-shocked-gif-24485219

Na players

[past whale]

What issues does Ranger have mofos just got reworked and are still arguably 2nd best damage dealer in the game and 3rd is not close

Also tanks are chads right now with the stat change

[sinful bluff]

in essence the class isnt a ranger it a mage it plays and feels like a mage would play like so if ur looking for a ranger play style

[past whale]

What about it isn’t ranger to you? I think I’ve read you want it to have rogue level mobility but might’ve been a diff person

[sinful bluff]

tank is frustrating to play from what ive heard and seen people complain i do not base thing on power of the classes atm its how there kit plays/feels i dont care bout dmg output because were not at that stage of balancing

[sinful bluff]

ranger dont fight with toggle walk on the whole time

[past whale]

99% of tanks are shit at the game tbh. But when you face a good tank you’ll know why they are strong in the right hands

[sinful bluff]

the 2 kits i see the most complain about on how they feel to play has been tanks and rangers i can agree with the ranger it has 0 class identity and plays just like mage would with less mobility and utility

[past whale]

@hybrid venture @unkempt badger @ashen anchor some tanks you’ll wanna watch play if you ever wanna learn tank. Legit make the class look like hero classes

[sinful bluff]

ranger also typicaly have access to melee skills aswell in pretty much every game aswell what we have is more of an archer than a ranger :p

[past whale]

I for one love that

If I wanted to melee I’d just go fighter or rogue

[sinful bluff]

rogue and fighter is melee with a side of range and ranger tend to be range with a side of melee

[past whale]

Same shit in wow. Ppl wanting to make a ranged class melee 🤮

[sinful bluff]

they should have like 2-3 melee ability in their kit thenrest range

[past whale]

Rogue/Fighter just different flavors of Ranger tbh in PvP see them with bows out more than melee

[umbral seal]

A new person walks in and you're telling them to not play this or that. 😬

[sinful bluff]

rogue with a shortbow feel more rangery than the ranger which is what im currently playing :p

[past whale]

Shortbow in PvE with arrowstorm weapon talent felt so good

[sinful bluff]

shame it lost 1 third of it dmg :p

2 thirds

they kinda removed everythign that made shortbow ranger viable with the rework on rangers

[past whale]

I will agree that Ranger needs more mobility with skills, should be obvious to let you spend a talent point to let you snipe and move with it but nerf the damage a little

Traps are also useless 99% of the time

[sinful bluff]

ranger should be more single target dmg and slightly lionger range for idenity, and mages should be more aoe in the way the kits work to make the 2 range dps feel different

traps and root (in small scale) typical feel bad since u have the same range as the person u root so they just shoot u back anyway

only saving grace for ranger atm is zerg rtoot is kinda OP but i think it need 2 be changed/nerfed

[past whale]

I’d like both to be able to spec AOE/ST eventually. Ranger raining arrows down in aoe or doing massive snipes/headshots more reliably. Mages with stronger blizzard/meteors/earthquake style stuff for aoe

Root nerfed?

[sinful bluff]

I honostly would change root to work like caltrops (when casting) that skill feels so nice using compared to ranger root, but remove the root and have it be a field that prevent any mobility skill/dodge skills while in it and then have a passive that makes tasrgets take dmg when there walking through it

[past whale]

Yeah imma disagree

[sinful bluff]

rogues need a bit of a counter with there hyper mobility

[past whale]

Ranger supposed to be part of nature and being able to summon roots was very cool to me

[sinful bluff]

it still a vine field it acts as difficult terrain kinda thing slow/stops mobility skill in it, but passive upgrade gives the vines brambles which casue dmg when moving through it

[past whale]

Rogues unless very good players are useless in 10+ player PvP scenarios

[sinful bluff]

im just saying it clunky to cast compared to rogues caltrops so what ever they done with caltrops cast should be applied to the root so it feel smoother to cast

[past whale]

I find roots less clunky

[sinful bluff]

i fine it clunk personly caltrops so smooth to use

[past whale]

Caltrops even with smart cast was so clunky but I haven’t touched rogue since I leveled it to 25 really

Grapple animation being instant felt good I guess in the new patch

[sinful bluff]

feign has a better disengage than ranger too ranger one feels floaty and slow in comparison to the disengage on rogue feign when ur in melee

i think it feign the gap closer they have that then can be used to jump back

[past whale]

If traps were actually reliable and air strike wasn’t arguably the worst ability in the game I think Ranger would be in a near perfect spot

[sinful bluff]

ranger disenage feels like it sprint speed in it animation :p

needs less walking in the kit snipe fine but rest of the skills should be toggle walk activated 😛

[past whale]

If we nerf roots though that would make rangers not the best mayors so fuck it. Nerf roots

[sinful bluff]

ranger spose to be dexterious and somewhat swift movement and things so playing toggle walk doesnt feel right for them

i think root need to be changed cause ito strong ZvZ and give them power else where like longer range for class idenity

and snappier disengages (like rogues one)

and less slow on skills

[past whale]

Roots is one of the few counters to zergs so I don’t want that aspect nerfed tbh

1-2 good roots even in a 20v30 the 20 can wipe with ease

[sinful bluff]

u still get that root with fighter/cleric but it need co ordination so it higher skill which is fine cause so high impactful it should have a skill to do it (personly think tank chain pull need to be a skill shot too cause it also impactful)

[past whale]

We hate fighters around here brother

[sinful bluff]

rangher root at the power it is, is to impactful for how easy it is to use

makes fighters more useful if u need them for the combo too in large scale so add a place in zvz for em

[past whale]

Most fighter players just wanna zug and faceroll (avg melee enjoyer in MMOs)

[sinful bluff]

fighter probaly be rather strong if you had enough of them in ZvZ tbh but u wont get like 50 people wanting to play them to dio that in a node war :p

[past whale]

Oh you would

They just get shamed into rerolling

[sinful bluff]

melee in large scale is either you have 0 of them or a shit laod lol

there no imbetween

[past whale]

Rangers/Mages do everything fighter can do but better

[sinful bluff]

the only way i see fighter working in large scale adnd not be busted in small scale is give them a huge mitigation bonus when there like 10+ enemy withing 20m of them

[sinful bluff]

except apply weakness fighter only class that can do that ohh i think rogue can too now with poison

[past whale]

Have you done any high level ZvZ

[sinful bluff]

20v20 ish bout max so far the TTK kinmda put me off doing alot pf pvp and didnt realy play last weekend due to being out of town

in this game atleast

done alot of ZvZ in other games

[past whale]

Weakness is a moot point when ppl die from rain of arrows/prismatic beams with ease

[sinful bluff]

still this same this weekend with changes to stats

[past whale]

No high end guild uses fighters even after the rework. We’ve decked fighters out in insane gear even after changes and they are 70% of what rangers and mages can do with less gear

[sinful bluff]

you can make them out dps rangers in range atleast for single target dmg but that doesnt help u since u tend to zvz :p

and aoe better for u there

fighter good small scale they lack in large scale due to not enough defence to survive running int a zerg like isaid the only thing that make em viable and not OP in small scale is if u give them some crazy survival buff when there alot of enemy around them

[past whale]

Best pvpers are on Vyra and we meme on fighter players

[sinful bluff]

on vyra aswell mate

[tropic herald]

do your fighters have 7k health?

[sinful bluff]

somone has a rogue with 8k hp earlier in here

[past whale]

Nah they play Ranger or mage

[tropic herald]

lol

[past whale]

Grapply has like 10k hp and nearing 15k with CDs on his tank. Boys 100% USDA beef

[tropic herald]

fighter with 7k health is very ahrd to kill

[sinful bluff]

unless there 50 people and 1 fighter chargeing in 😛

[past whale]

Even in 8v8 scrims fighters are jail bait. Best thing they can do is baby sit their clerics and poke with bow

[sinful bluff]

atm main issue with fighter is there bad in ZvZ there great in smaller scale stuff but in larger scale u need a fuck load of them or non at all :p unless they get a buff that gives them huge survivability boost when there near alot of people

[past whale]

They are the worst dps class in small scale

[sinful bluff]

fighter kit is fun to play whidch is the important at this stage once all kit are in the fun to play and not buggy state then abalancing should be look at with tweaking numbers

[sinful bluff]

the way u build them :p

[past whale]

I assure you the best fighter players have tried my brother

[sinful bluff]

power isnt the only dmg source just saying :p

[past whale]

Yeah that’s why my bard is built hybrid

Stacking power beyond 230 feels useless imo that’s why I built crit as well as sitting at almost 5k HP and 4k mana

[sinful bluff]

i also feel you go 200 power then swap to bit of defence and a bit of crit

i didnt get to check ratio though sadly before server went down on things like evasion and thing to see if it potentialy an option

[past whale]

Considering physical defensives are bugged and not working max HP and magic resist only thing worth anything atm for defensives

[sinful bluff]

hp items giving 500+ hp on them seem like they could be worth dropping a bit of dmg for when ur up there on the power

penetration seems bugged and not working aswell

mobs it 100% does nothing to them and 700 pen does nothing to players (didnt have any other pieces to check with before server went down)

also they nerfed weapon skil ltree that alot of people havant relised too

[past whale]

As a bard enjoyer I love the new TTK

All the ranger and mages crutch enjoyers mad they can’t one shot

[sinful bluff]

i dont go that rought i go with death by a thousand cuts lol

[past whale]

If you’re meaning the crit chance/pen etc parts of some trees that is literally an awful decision by them imo

[sinful bluff]

u can only take one of each for those 4 slots now cant stack them which is fine if we had more options there tbh

[past whale]

As it stands we just pick one of each with no variability. At least before I could go all crit or all crit avoidance etc. now it’s just one which is dumb

[sinful bluff]

it just need more optionms to pick from needs like 12-20 choices

crit chance/crit power/pen/power/crit avoid, mitigation/ additive dmg/MR/Armor/evasions/lifesteal/ healing power like there alot more optiosn they can put in there

[past whale]

Please Steven if you read this: don’t make archetypes just some passive/cosmetic stuff please. It’s not a new class if all it does is give fighter blink instead of charge or a fire enchant on their weapon I believe in the devs to cook up 64 actually unique feeling subclasses

[sinful bluff]

im hoping for shift in play style, like mage with fighter makes them more melee orinated mage, or fighter with ranger give them more range option and so on

anything waith bard secondary offers group buffs or debuffs

[past whale]

I wanna see a beastly holy crusader when a cleric specs into fighter. I wanna see a Magical Assassin when mage/rogue happens. Give rangers reliable melee abilities when they go fighter. Etc

[sinful bluff]

fighter secondery should push the primary into a closer range roll where ranger might push them more into a range roll kinda thing

bards secondary more supporting role

so fighter/bard might buff or debuff enemy when attacking enemy

[past whale]

I hope summoner/X leans into maybe having strong summons of said class. If I wanted to be a summoner who can tank they can summon tank minion or clerics if they wanna heal etc. summoner/mage getting GW2’s mesmer portal for teleports would be so sick

[sinful bluff]

mage secondary could change dmg type to magic instead of physical for rogue/fighter

fighter/cleric might cause aoe healing to people nearby when they do dmg

[past whale]

Mage/rogue or Summoner/rogue gets a party wide stealth for like 10 seconds but breaks on any damage

[sinful bluff]

tank mage should get AoE bubble that reduces magiuc dmg to everyone within it for X amount of time to allow for pushes throug choke points, Tank/Tank egts physical version

[meager shuttle]

https://tenor.com/view/the-voices-meme-cat-gif-23917781

[past whale]

I hope they cook with the tank rework. I’d love for my tank buddies to get an AOE grapple and some extra wall charges or a separate talent to make wall longer/taller so it’s actually not so easy to avoid

[sinful bluff]

if grapple every becomes reliable it honostly should be a skill shot since it garanteed to kill people in large scale pretty much :p lol

there a reason why in mobas all pulld isplacement effects are skill shots :p

high impact skills should be skill shot imo

[past whale]

Meh one person dying is whatever in zvz

But with grapplehook working like it does then I could see a skillshot maybe working

[sinful bluff]

1 person per tank in the zerg

not sure it cooldown though

[past whale]

So 3

Jk I wish we had 3 tanks on at same time

[sinful bluff]

we had 3 tanks 2 of them dropped it for other classes lol

[past whale]

I feel like ppl overhype CC in ashes so much personally

[sinful bluff]

aoe root pretty strong and pull are strong thats bout i think

[past whale]

So many ppl say shits overbearing etc like nah. Just tell me you haven’t played other MMOs bro. There’s CC chains in wow that can last 30 seconds

[sinful bluff]

WoW doesnt have co ordinated pvp alot opf the time atkleast when i played the only large scale was alteract valley which was usualy mostly pugs rarely got a single guild

[past whale]

Large scale PvP is rarely competitive in my opinion. Well at least before I got sold on ashes

But so much stuff DRs off eachother in ashes with debuffs that the most oppressive CC is rogue (like it should be). I’m just surprised we didn’t get a true hard stun akin to kidneyshot for like 5-6 seconds

[sinful bluff]

u havant been playing the right games 😛 darkfall and crowfall had realy competitive large scale pvp since yeah seiges on guild city/castler were a thing :p

[past whale]

I was a wow enjoyer forever tbh. But yeah super niche games that were large scale but had like 4 digit player counts I never got into

Watching DAs AA clips make me wish I had dabbled in them though

[sinful bluff]

darkfall was amazing :p but they failed with high skill ceiling, full loot and poor development speed cause greek devs 😛 So you basicly lost ane PvE playerbase real quick.

Crowfall probaly had some of the best combat imo but devs ran out of money and only listened to zerg guild suggestion that only benefited the zerg guild 😛

archage was amazing aswell love their naval shit but wasnt realy any meaning full large scale pvp

[ionic plume]

Dark Age of Camelot had good big pvp

[spiral grove]

It's not hate but more so sadness

I am always a DPS player in MMOs etc. Never play healer but figured this is an alpha and I wanted to experience the tank here

But even then at the start I could tell how lackluster and simple the archetype was but it was so simple it was beyond boring that paired with broken skills

I never made any other alts tho because I already saw a ton of fighters, rangers so I figured I just wait for rogue release and I definitely had more fun with that

[meager shuttle]

dont kid yourself ur a tank player through and through

[gentle void]

bro I was pissing next to you and I couldn't help but notice that your wiener is insane. seriously dude your hog is money, do you wanna be boys? I run with a nasty crew of dudes who all got wild pipes. saturday my place we're gonna take a bunch of adderal and see what happens ppe huge bulge

[spiral grove]

yo 😂

what the fuck

[gentle void]

Just found this and thought it was funny to share.

Ps: is that even allowed? 🤣

[clever wyvern]

dunno why in archetype chat but i lold

[last mural]

We gonna see a dagger buff ?

[rigid hamlet]

#buffranger

[spiral grove]

Tank rework done when?

[proper hearth]

right after pantheon release

[spiral grove]

Fker

[proper hearth]

Flanker*

[rotund mountain]

When will the visual bug for the perma-melody rings of the Bard be fixed?

[ripe spade]

create something like "healing power" for mana. wanna get the possibility to support my team with mana also in pvp. wanna have the choice to skill my bard as an mana-batterie - create the stat "mana-power"

[green scarab]

Who's got a good skill tree buildout they can share with me for a bard at level 12 looking to be party support

[vale saffron]

https://www.icy-veins.com/ashes-of-creation/pve-bard-guide

[fickle patio]

ehh? you alredy are a mana batery? get mp you give more mana

[ripe spade]

since the bard is autoattack/finisher related in terms of MANA, its not the case. in pvE YES 100% but in pvP you have other jobs to do if you playing highlvl

[analog hedge]

NERF MAGIC EVASION ROGUE 8SECOND UNSKILLED DOGSHIIT

1 BUTTON COUNTER ENTIRE CLASS

MISS MISS MISS MISS MISS MISS MISS

[fickle patio]

just use the mana saga and all grupe is good on mana mate

[analog hedge]

Milagre he clearly knows it exists

please man

dont antagonise me rn

[zinc sierra]

[ripe spade]

ye, what about the cleric who is my main target. he never uses autoattacks. please relaxe.

[analog hedge]

actually i change my mind

just ust hymn of mind

[fickle patio]

i am relaxed if your cleric never uses autoattk then thats a diffrent problem mate xD

[analog hedge]

STOP DISTRACTING THEM FROM WHATS IMPORTANT

MISS MISS MISS MISS

[agile saddle]

Skill issue

Don’t 1v1 the archetype counter to your archetype

Get the tank and fighter to slap them around when they get close

[flat shuttle]

Saw this first hand last night.
If the tanks and your "defensive" rogue tripped us and locked us down when we dove it was gg.

You guys had me at 135 hp when I popped umbral. Lmao

[analog hedge]

Ye bro

You play well

[flat shuttle]

But we also made evasion builds, ned and i both.

[analog hedge]

https://medal.tv/games/ashes-of-creation/clips/k6ZkYADOZ7L8iqmHz?invite=cr-MSxjZGUsMzAwNjc1NDA

Look

How unskilled it is

What is counterplay

Hard cast 2 second slumber? Idfk

It's not even like this creature did anything good

[flat shuttle]

Im well aware it's pretty OP. I think it should be like 60% at the max, or if used with advantage 80%.
That guy didn't even silence you in his combo 😦

[analog hedge]

Ye he's not human

[flat shuttle]

Jumpies tho hard fucks with rogue mobility.

[agile saddle]

Rogue is the counter to mage, get the phys archetypes to deal with them

[analog hedge]

Idm rock paper scissors gameplay

But make it have some nuance to it

8 seconds of miss is crazy and if intended that way, its lazy asf

[flat shuttle]

Yeah the only real counter play would be to have a blink ready to disengage for 8 seconds. Kinda dumb

Inb4 they give mage iceblock. 👀

[umbral seal]

banging head on firebolt preTTK patch was mucho skillful too...

[analog hedge]

???

Weird loser response

You type like your handless

[umbral seal]

Guy can't 1-2 shot with mage...produces tears

loud tears

lol

[analog hedge]

Clearly not advocating for any of that

[agile saddle]

You didn’t dodge anything he used, you used it to run(but didn’t even use it properly to get distance)

You ran away from your allies instead of towards them

You used your teleport offensively when you know rogue exists(should always keep it available to get away)

[analog hedge]

HAHAHAHAAHAHAA

Look again my dodges

IM REQUESTING NUANCED COUNTRRPLAY

NOT 8 SECONDS OF MISS

PREMIUM AMNESTY CROP

[agile saddle]

There is counterplay, you had 2 allies right there, you ran away from them

[flat shuttle]

Should've seen it before the change lmao.

[analog hedge]

Haha I would have liked to 🙂

Boosted thoughts on this clown?

[flat shuttle]

It also put us in cloak if used with advantage.

[analog hedge]

Troll or pig?

Amnesty so could be either

[agile saddle]

You circled around so he was between you and allies(should have moved towards them)
Then ran further away when you noticed you were under half health and he wasn’t frozen anymore

[flat shuttle]

It's hard to take any legit sides on this because I play the class. It's an OP button.
There's situations that could make it better.

[analog hedge]

Nah on his gameplay advice

Is he cooking or what

[agile saddle]

Game is balanced around group play not 1v1
Rogue is strait counter to mages

[analog hedge]

.

Say something new piggy

One more big para

[flat shuttle]

Okay deadass though, your team mates should've came to rescue here.
You did use blink offensively putting you at a disadvantage against the rogue. Unfortunately he popped his umbram very fast so you didn't get a freeze.
In this case I legit think you were SOL.

[analog hedge]

Please el chialde

[flat shuttle]

Big para!

[analog hedge]

I only had 1 team mate alive

SOL?

[flat shuttle]

Shit outta luck

[agile saddle]

Shit outa luck

[flat shuttle]

Hes got evasion rolling and you can't disengage.
If he was using chilling poison there's no rolling away either.

I wonder if magic cc is calculated differently.
Like maybe you can sleep?

[analog hedge]

Ye

There are two types of evasion

Disable and normal

Well technically 4

Cause magic and Phys each have their own normal and disable

[agile saddle]

6, there is general evasion as well

[flat shuttle]

So maybe a sleep is thr play there.
Force him to use his CC break.

[analog hedge]

2.3 second hard cast

XD

But ye probs

[agile saddle]

You got him down to under half
You also had spent all your cooldowns before he engaged

[analog hedge]

Who TF r U talking to

[agile saddle]

You

[analog hedge]

Dodges could have got me further Ur right, but it's lame that only counterplay is run

[next frost]

Any experienced tanks around? New player here and i have some questions! DM me plz.

[flat shuttle]

I played tank all of p1 and p2 until rogue came out.
What's up

[zinc sierra]

No

[zinc sierra]

Bard, havent played rogue tho might be good

[flat shuttle]

Rogue sustains really well with sap and cloak for heals.

[languid dragon]

What primary stat should u go for as a rogue ? Dex or str ?

[flat shuttle]

100% a balance.
Stat stacking like before is not really a thing I don't think.
I'm at around 1450 of both str and dexterity before buffs.

With diminishing returns you have to find a balance of your physical power, crit chance, and crit power.
While also managing defensive stats like your HP and your Evasion.

[languid dragon]

Copy that. Thanks 🙏

[languid dragon]

Is there any circumstance where mage can actually outplay rogue in a 1v1 ? @analog hedge

[zinc sierra]

if the rogue is really bad

[languid dragon]

Is rogue useful in group pvp content ? I keep hearing mage and ranger are the way to go in that regard because of their AOE. But I don't know if what ive heard is actually accurate . I'm torn between mage and rogue right now. Only played the game just a tiny bit few months ago. Got mage to like lvl 6 and then lost interest . Gonna give it another shot

[torn imp]

Having a rogue or two can give some interesting options but it's a nearly guaranteed suicide run into taking out a healer unless you really play it right

[umbral seal]

Gotta get classes to like level 12 to fully see the kit as it is right now

and yes, mages and rangers will always do better than rogues and fighters in raid v raid content, unless they overhaul the way melee works or something.

[charred seal]

Much repeated mantra, but I think that is a euphemism for "The game is not balanced".

[glad cloak]

Proposal:
add a .05-.1s ICD to the stamina regen for dodging an ability with roll
Why:
Cause I don't want to be a sonic roleplayer every raid, rolling 10x every time I or someone else gets focused.

(icd is internal cooldown)

[rigid hamlet]

#buffranger

[rigid hamlet]

just cap the stamina refund on dodgeroll to trigger only once

I ask for that since forever

It makes weapons like shortbow or skills like barrage actually grief since they completely refill the enemy stamina

[languid dragon]

@torn imp @umbral seal ty for the info guys 🙏🙏

[supple owl]

this is about as high as i can get my hp, anybody know what else?

[sinful bluff]

somone walk talking about there 8k hp rogue the other day

[supple owl]

oh my

but i must know if i got da most

[sinful bluff]

i got a whole 3.5k :p although 5 pieces of my gear is on an alt so maybe ill have 4k with that back

[umbral seal]

can he do damage?

[sinful bluff]

probaly it doesnt take many to many items to hit the soft cap where power drops off tbh

not as much as glass cannons though

[supple owl]

il pay five silver to anyone whos got moar hp then me tho

[elder talon]

what’s that belt

I also think you’d be better off overall with a few different pieces like Amulet of Zarran

[supple owl]

the idea here was to push my max hp as hiiigh as it goes, i do have more gear for midigation and what not but this is just for hp, belt is acad monitor

[elder talon]

ragebringer stone has more hp then

[supple owl]

wheres that boss? havent heard of it?

and it also just goes into the set bonus

[daring sentinel]

it's a stretch to even say that the game is balanced for group pvp.

[supple owl]

and getting steel is a pain

[elder talon]

northwest edge of Squall’s End in a cave. it’s definitely more HP.

[supple owl]

eh il give it a look see

[clear lynx]

If you are on Vyra and have some friends. I'll help you kill those giants 😁

[supple owl]

alas we are lyneth gamers 😦

still! 10k was the goal and i hit it, big proud

[clear lynx]

Way more big than my 5k tank

[sinful bluff]

meanwhile my ranger sits on 3400 hp lol

[supple owl]

yea i get 6,4 from my gear alone XD

[ebon relic]

https://tenor.com/view/gandalf-behold-lotr-shook-gif-11784187

[languid dragon]

Does rogue usually wear light or medium armor guys ?

[sly kite]

medium

[languid dragon]

Damn. I picked light in that first quest that gives the 3 green armor pieces . Oh well stil very early for me 😂

[past whale]

https://tenor.com/view/wakanda-forever-mbaku-bald-headed-demon-you-bald-headed-demon-okoye-gif-27510475

[clever wyvern]

heavy is just fine and better in many cases - just depends what u can find

especially leveling where you take more phys damage in general

[ionic plume]

Stats matter way way way way more the armor type... The bonuses arent that impactful right now so just pick whatever gives you the best stats at the time.. you'll have lots of heavy also.

[languid dragon]

Thanks guys. Just hit level 7 tonight . Trucking along trying to figure this shit out 😂. Very fun so far @ionic plume @clever wyvern

[ionic plume]

Just dont be that guy that rolls need on magical power gear when they only scale with physical power or vice versa 😅

[supple owl]

i must see your items and what not show me what ya goot

https://tenor.com/view/rickandmorty-showme-gif-7658980

[ionic plume]

And the boofs!

[languid dragon]

😂😂😂 no no i know atleast that Much to be looking for phy power 🙏🙏

[glad cloak]

Charged scatters not working uphill for people anymore or just me? Animation goes up but not damage

[spiral grove]

Tank rework when?

[violet lantern]

Tank is totally fine

[fickle mountain]

Yeah wondering if they drop it before the tank/cleric class update or at the same time

[spiral grove]

Shutup.

[spiral grove]

Same!

[glad cloak]

Playing against a tank in PvP

[flat shuttle]

Just mana drain them! 🤣

[ruby pebble]

How much evasions do rogue get when they go in the smoke

[violet lantern]

25%

[spiral grove]

still boring and abilities not workink

I want workink abilities

ya feel me?

[flat shuttle]

25% + 20% when they attack from stealth.

[ruby pebble]

Perfect

[languid dragon]

Guys is there a way when you are faming mobs and one dies to not have to keep hitting Q to auto attack the next target ?

[flat shuttle]

Theres an option to auto attack after ranged/melee ability.

[languid dragon]

Yah found it !

Yty

Is there a close mount training spot near lionhold or it has to be one of the major node towns?

[languid drift]

Tank is unbalanced ATM, but still inferior design-wise

[sinful bluff]

right now balancing shouldnt be a priority it should be making sure all kits feel good to play and work :p number adjusting mainly comes later after base kits where they all want em

[violet lantern]

You think tank is too strong with new ttk ?

[languid drift]

Yeah, a lil bit. I feel too comfortable 1v1 with pretty much any other archetype

And I am a mediocre tank in PvP, no doubt

[green charm]

absurdly overpowered rn

[languid dragon]

After the update guys, as a rogue what stat should I be hunting for on gear ? I've heard people in here talk that you should try to spread ur stats out now instead of just going for one primary stat to stack . Can anyone enlighten me on that at all ? So far I've just been looking for things with strength or even dex on it and putting it on

[spiral grove]

It's just what tanks should be like

You guys are going based off of 1v1 results when you're gonna have them the least in a big scale fight . You want them to be able to tank vs 10-15 ppl hitting them or still just die like a fly?

Cuz I'll tell you now, the latter is not fun.

[languid dragon]

Tanks suppose to be tanks 😂. As long as they not outputting a bunch of damage as well I feel that's what they are meant for @spiral grove

[spiral grove]

Which they don't. In a 1v1 scenario it's just that that mediocre dmg is enough for the hp pools current DPS have

Besides the archetype is probably the most boring to play so it's not like you'll see them anyways

[brave cosmos]

Has anyone messed around with health regeneration much in their build? With rividium earrings?

[spiral grove]

Only properly takes affect out of combat not in combat so idk how much use it has really when you can just ration and boom

[clever wyvern]

Absolute trash of a stat - ruined tumok weapons

[elder talon]

Yep, Tumok weapons would probably be at least tank BIS if they had any other stat there, as-is they’re very middle of the pack despite the high ilvl

[crimson fiber]

The problem I am seeing is tanks use 2 handers. Tank skills need to work off shields and shield stats. Right now shield mitigation/block is trash so most people use two handers even when activating shield based skills. It’s how the skills and dmg are implemented within the class that needs the over haul.

[outer sentinel]

not an issue per se. just means the shield doesnt add enough mitigation. either more magical or physical mitigation should be offered so people can actually choose. some sub archetypes might prefer the 2h style

[agile saddle]

Shields give a total of 3% block chance

Making them useless for that purpose

[green charm]

You can get up to like 25% block chance and it's still useless

Until you go over 7.7k hp, then it's marginally better than HP stacking

[rigid hamlet]

#buffranger

[blazing bobcat]

So you're all saying that a tank is better with a focus or a 2H weapon than a shield ?

[rigid hamlet]

I dunno, I currently even run a shield on my rogue :v

Just for the item stats

[severe dune]

2 hander definitely seems miles better when soloing I'll say that

Also I think block chance is like...pretty dog shit currently isn't it? Idk about the dynamics of high level group play but shields seem kinda low value when not actively guarding

[elder talon]

the only real advantage of shields right now is that tank bis is just to stack hp and the best hp weapon combo rn is a mace+shield, beastwarden’s prod + buttressed shield

[rigid hamlet]

Prod+steel shield is more phys power than greatswords too

A bit silly

[winter spruce]

Fighter is weak or stronger after the archetype/skills change and statistic on items?

[real talon]

I ran light armor most of P2, and now I'm full heavy. Heavy feels great.

[ionic plume]

Stronger. Longer ttk means they can actually get in the melee range to fight

[maiden hearth]

3 heavy mit feels really good

[sinful bluff]

there definetly strong in the smaller scale pvp but like all melee they tend to drop off in super large scale unless you have enough melee classes going in at once so they dont get focused

[green charm]

fighter is cock and ball torture in the water

[sinful bluff]

well stay on the boat and leap onto the enemy boat when u get close enough to whirlwind the fuck out of it lol

[coarse scroll]

Suddenly interested in playing a fighter, no idea why

[sinful bluff]

if aa fighter gets on the enemy boat that be rather devistating :p

[coarse scroll]

For real i highly doubt naval warfare is going to be as developed as other pvp in the game, but that might be my cynicism talking tbf

[sinful bluff]

tbh players shouldnt be able to dmg boats 😛

atm boats have no armor so player dmg just melts them 😛

[coarse scroll]

Or at least their damage be reduced. Percentage based? Hmm...

[sinful bluff]

caravasns get a fuck load of armor and MR from components

boats dont have components yet :p so they got 0 redction 😄

[coarse scroll]

Yeah we'll have to feel it out when those get released.

[sinful bluff]

like one reason i dont think they should be destroyable by players dmg is you dont have to risk another boat to destroy a boat

so you just end up getting people wave assulting boats by swimming at it and hoping somone gets on that can stop it

what happened in darkfall boats were expensive so people just wave assulted it by swimming at it and killed the drivers to steal it rather than actualy have a navakl fight lol

[rigid hamlet]

#buffranger

[sinful bluff]

make ranger ranger again :p

[winter spruce]

make fighter great again

[sinful bluff]

there pretty bonkers atm in small scale, it hard to balance melee for small and large scale without making them broken in small scale

[flat shuttle]

Need dedicated back line squads 🙂 rogues fighters tanks

[daring sentinel]

fighter has never been better. It slaps in small scale, and in larger scale like all non-tank melee classes needs numbers to not get focused too easily.

you could probably make an argument its CC cooldowns are too short 😄

[sinful bluff]

I think the only way to make melee better in zerg without making them over the top for small scale is to give them a defence buff when they have more than X enemies within like 15m of them, however i think that might make large melee bombs rather OP where u send it like 50 at once in a 100v100 :p although i guess that can then be countered by spreading out so they dont trigger the dmg reduction buff as easily

[flat shuttle]

Or...hear me out...
Don't build like full degenerate dps items only.
Start incorporating mitigation, evasion, hp.
Make a build suitable for the content they want to do.

[violet lantern]

before wanting class balance, we maybe need some real pvp content no ?

[rigid hamlet]

just need to increase the ttk a bit more and give them pocket heal then it's fine tbh

[lament agate]

Make an actual balanced build?! Blasphemy.

[flat shuttle]

The days of unga-bunga-bonk are over!

[lament agate]

Its still crazy how many ppl i see trying to build the full glass cannon 3k hp builds.

Then they complain they die to bard auto atks

[flat shuttle]

Soon as I saw defensive stats I was like bro everyone gunna be trying to stack strength still and I know it

5.5k hp rogue and still crit 2k backstabs like come on..
Bards scare me tho 🙂

[lament agate]

I play bard, rogues still bend me over if they know what they're doing, not too much u can do once u use your trinket

if theyre good they sleep dart you and reset then u die in the cc

[flat shuttle]

Yeah i honestly need to duel some. I know you guys have a big burst window with reso stacks (I think?)

[lament agate]

ye we can do a lot of burst, if we land mes dance -> lullaby you're stunned and usually dead, or close to it

[flat shuttle]

So we have to save advantage for the 2nd trinket then huh

[lament agate]

the DR system they have currently tho kinda sucks because if i do the normal combo, my 2nd stun breaks instantly

and puts u on both incap + stun dr

[past whale]

Melee players hate him for he spoke the truth

[lament agate]

probably a bug tho, cba to report it

[flat shuttle]

It's the truth, I still see rogues with same power but like sub 4k hp. Gross

[lament agate]

my bard has 5.3k hp, idk how ppl play under 4.5k hp, that feels like the minimum

if u wanna survive i mean

[flat shuttle]

For real though. I'm just like I want to be in the back line. I aint doing that with 4k hp and 10% evasion

Granted, not a ton of people regeared when ttk changes hit

[lament agate]

regearing honestly wasnt that bad, took me like a week to get to a place where im comfortable

[past whale]

I need 8k to survive fighting you

[flat shuttle]

Even greens are okay, like really.

[lament agate]

not my fault they cant fix the damage bug,

i only reported it like a month ago

[flat shuttle]

Oh is it like double dipping or something? Or less?

[sinful bluff]

I feel u want 5k as a range and like 7k as melee :p

[lament agate]

u tell me

[flat shuttle]

Rofl

[sinful bluff]

Love that bug lol

[lament agate]

seems to be something involved with rogue

[flat shuttle]

Rogue has an occasional bug with cascade.

[lament agate]

because i never saw those dmg numbers until rogue was added

[flat shuttle]

Weve seen shadow cascade some reason hit 10k+

[lament agate]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1299156202764107880/1363414274051018882/image.png?ex=680a8f3d&is=68093dbd&hm=03d544501d48aa4691e533148fec487f4ab117498a3be37470af2aa5a94dee09&

[flat shuttle]

Yeah like that lmao

[lament agate]

Surely theyll fix it right........

[flat shuttle]

I think it has something to do with dot ticks

[past whale]

Got hit so hard I felt pain in my chest when that happened

[sinful bluff]

apparently is death mark or something caung the stupid dmg

[past whale]

Mage: Give mage a time warp cooldown where its toggle-able and it takes a snap of their current CDs/HP/Mana/position and they have a 6-8 second window to use whatever they want/move/take damage etc and they can reactivate it to return to the snapshot spot early if they want. If they die in the time warp though they die for real. Allows for the glass cannon style people want to play as mage while also allowing for counter play because you know where they will come out of the time warp at.

Fighter: Look at WoW rage mechanic and figure it out. Stance dancing shouldn’t be punishing. Let them trade having a ranged weapon for doing more in melee/eventually run 2 2Hrs if they wish. If they wanna spec into mobile and bursty let them, just change their sustain. If they wanna spec more vanguardy and take more damage then they don’t get to be as mobile.

Ranger: Opposite of fighter. Can forgo melee weapon for either increased range damage or having further range than other classes (5 yards more or something) so that their identity of being THE ranged damage is there. Different types of traps instead of just bear traps (ice/poison/etc).

Bard: Make song weaving baseline in the kit and more song styled spells instead of dances. I’m a musician not a dancer. Different instruments have different effects. Flutes might allow faster song weaving whereas drums take longer but are more powerful songs. Resonate should be dumped on songs with various effects and auto finishers can be what build them.

Cleric: AOE bubble that can absorb damage for allies. AOE rez for 100 divine power. Blessed weapon heals the user instead of fire damage.

Rogue: Smoke bomb gives LOS and allies inside it gain some evasion rating. Backstab does more damage with daggers (play into the dagger class fantasy more please)

Tank: talent for multiple charges of wall or walls are taller/longer. Large shield akin to Rein from OW that can block incoming damage for X amount or time from one direction. Different banners for damage/defense/utility. Make guard require better timing in blocking attacks but more rewarding so that dodging isn’t always better.

[lament agate]

https://tenor.com/view/bimmer-cashappgod-bimmerpoledance-pole-gif-25583285

bard pov

[cloud gust]

That mage gameplay doesn't sound fun to me, and also feels very immersion breaking.

I think for mage - I'd rather jus thave more interesting interactions with spells and elements.

[past whale]

Immersion breaking for a mage to have time spells

[cloud gust]

For a random mage to be able to just turn back time at level 25.

Yes... I'm not trying to be another hero.

I'm tired of Hero MMO games.

[past whale]

Call it whatever you want but I think that’s a great way for them to keep the glass cannon style they want with mage where both sides have counter play

[cloud gust]

For blink - I'd prefer to have cooldown reduction on succesful spell combos.

Or maybe reduce cooldown each time a spell is cast.

But to introduce time travel, it just wouldn't fit my personal aesthetic of the class.

[past whale]

I view blink as spacial magic Same concept to me is what I was originally thinking

[cloud gust]

Understanding this is personal, maybe I'd be down with that for Archwizard max level on a huge cooldown.

[sinful bluff]

here a thought on blink what if it just phased you into abnother dimension for 3 seconds doesnt actualy transport u just makes u invisable untargetable and what not but u can relocate during the 3 seconds :p would be interesting sub class option for blink

[cloud gust]

Ooooh.

That's interesting.

[sinful bluff]

probaly rogue subtype maybe

[past whale]

Good rogue option as a sub type I suppose

[sinful bluff]

since ti be more like a stealth that u cant be dmg in

[past whale]

I’m hoping Rogue with either summoner/mage gets an aoe temporary stealth for parties

[sinful bluff]

summoner probaly

[past whale]

Like a 4-5 sec stealth for groups

[sinful bluff]

can summon in a dark mist or something that cloaks everyone :p

senna from league of legends 😛

i will say one thing mobs have some intersting takes on some skills at times that would work with MMO's skills too

[past whale]

Gimme the plants purple petal AOE man. Shit looks so good

[sinful bluff]

summoner/ranger summons the flower mobs as minions

drains mana aoe broken :p

[foggy kestrel]

time shift kinda ability would be soo good, opens up for a higher ceiling gameplay, considering our blink is so so long

[past whale]

Back on topic: most good mages I talk to complain about the recent TTK changes that they either can’t out sustain any other class or out burst them. This leans to try and fix both while allowing the mage to control which way it goes. Longer they are in their whatever you wanna call it the more damage/sustain they are creating or they can go the route of dumping all CDs and then stepping back through early and dumping another round of CDs to try and finish the fight. Counter point to it is the opponents know they window of the spell and exactly where they are gonna come out of it at for easy cc setups or can kill them in the window regardless. That was my main idea for that spell instead of the cliche ice block type stuff we always see with wizards

[sinful bluff]

thresh lantern ability would be intersting on a cleric maybe too, throws and interactable object that pulls an ally that clicks it to the cleric provides a shield too

[past whale]

Give clerics leaps of faith. Lemme pull some dumbasses out of danger

[sinful bluff]

it the reverse of the wings of salvation :p pulls somone out of the shit show they put themself into instad of cleric charging in to die too :p

[cloud gust]

"Good Mages" is a tough thing for me to interpret.

Most "Good Mages" I know played the class under 400MP and understand what the class kit does without cheesing the level 10 enchanting.

[past whale]

Sorry. Good pvpers I guess ?

[cloud gust]

The good mages are still playing the game and pushing the class - the others ... are complaining and quiting.

In my eyes.

Sorry - that's me venting.

[past whale]

I mean idc really just was an idea for an ability. Mages can stay meh in small scale for all I care

Still kings of ZvZ

[cloud gust]

But to actually push in on your interesting and friendly convo.

When I play my mage in 1v1 for example - the issue is always that I don't have enough control.

[past whale]

Maybe mages can get a frost ball that swirls around like a mini blizzard

[past whale]

Would like to see mages be able to spec more ice thus having more control

[cloud gust]

We actually have plenty of ice spells but... it's just the control is super weak.

[past whale]

And give them a damn counterspell not on the GCD for Christ sake

[cloud gust]

Like... a fighter shouldn't be able to just blits or jump out of frozen.

[cloud gust]

Absolutely.

[sinful bluff]

sorry counterspell passive only avilable at lvl 26 :p

tbh counterspell off global cooldown could be a thing for subclass specilisation thing

[past whale]

Blizzard useless outside vans and bosses. Magma field and ball are just filler/space makers now

[sinful bluff]

Archemage gets duel cast "{ can cast certain instant cast spells while mid casting other skills 😛 kinda like how the ranger marks unction

[cloud gust]

Shell (Mage Shield) : Give our shield elemental effects that apply to attackers, also maybe make it so there san effect when the shell expires.

Blink: Add weaving so that mages can do certain things to reduce the cd on their ONLY escape

Chill: Give mages a special version of chill that prevents DR and maybe has increasing intensity.

[past whale]

Rather them delete firebolts and just have fireball be the main fire spell or at least give the other two elements 3 little spells. 3 sparks for lighting. 3 ice lances for frost

[cloud gust]

I think we should have both firebolt and fireball.

[past whale]

Snare and chill being on same DR was a crazy decision I can’t lie lol

[cloud gust]

They are both useful in different scenarios.

[sinful bluff]

i just assume everyone gonna be snare immune in every fight 😛

[past whale]

Need mages to get meteor and the earth magic that was showcased before

[sinful bluff]

maybe with specilisationsd :p

[past whale]

Earth magic is hella weird though imo for mages to have. Just my 2 cents

[sinful bluff]

mage/tank get earth magic

[cloud gust]

Mage Ranger might make sense.

Yea or Mage Tank

[past whale]

I hope Ranger with mage or summoner plays like a druid with nature stuff

[sinful bluff]

mage ranger feels like a druid playstyle maybe nature magic 😛

[past whale]

More vines/poisons/etc

[cloud gust]

Ranger having earth magic imo sucks

I'd rather rangers be purely phys.

[sinful bluff]

its not realy earth magic its nature

[cloud gust]

And they can augment with magic.

I consider those the same.

[past whale]

I love it personally. Because when you say Ranger I think of Aragorn who was out there fucking with herbs and knowing every plant etc

[sinful bluff]

Well most old school ranger had nature magci tbh

[cloud gust]

Yea but he didn't do magic with herbs.

He used them physically.

[sinful bluff]

everquest rangers had druid spell, DnD nature spells, pathfinder had nature spells too

[cloud gust]

Like lacing arrows with herbs is dope.

casting vines - that should be for ranger mage

Those games had limited classes.

[past whale]

The fact rangers don’t have poison baseline kinda weird feel like both rogue and ranger should’ve had it baseline

[cloud gust]

^

10000%

[past whale]

Makes so much sense for rangers to have poison arrows

[sinful bluff]

tbh rangers should have a couple melee skills in there kit too atm there archers not realy rangers :p

[cloud gust]

Different kinds of poisons too

[sinful bluff]

why ive been saying rogues feel like better ranger than rangers atm where rangers feel like mages

[past whale]

Think we’ve yapped about this before I want next to zero sword play for rangers outside like a hamstring or something

[cloud gust]

<@&519722995778977812> please hear this ❤️

[sinful bluff]

rogue+shortbow take most of the right side skill tree and it feels 100% better of a ranger playstyle than the ranger atm

[past whale]

I want them being gigga bow boys with traps/roots/etc

[sinful bluff]

traps are useless cause there so easy to see and everyone basicly immune to roots 90% of the fight :p

[cloud gust]

All ranger root abilities should be traps / physical in nature.

ropes

[past whale]

When specced into fighter they become strider right ? Aka Aragorn so I’d be down then for them to have melee stuff

[cloud gust]

Roots

[sinful bluff]

and they can be charge over and asll that too

[cloud gust]

hunting/naturing stuff.

[past whale]

Traps should 100% not be visible to opponents imo

Or be barely visible

[cloud gust]

Yea - I think rogue stealth is awesome.

[past whale]

Maybe have them do the 2-3 second set up and it’s visible but once it’s active it’s not seen

[sinful bluff]

personaly i would change vine field off being a root (To strong in large scale) and make it a AOE mobility disable spell prevent any movement skills with a passive upgrade where any movement through the field does dmg

[cloud gust]

I love how there's depth to it.

Keep that philosophy in with the traps.

I like you guys ❤️

Good ideas.

[sinful bluff]

ranger/summoner gets traps that spawns spiders or snakes when walked over 😛 WoW had one of those was funny watching like 20 snakes chase somone when they walk over 4 of them

[past whale]

Rangers air strike sucks
Mage blizzard sucks
Fighter blood fusion or whatever drains momentum too damn fast
I want clerics ultimates to be some gigga aoe heal or protection

https://tenor.com/view/alduin-warcraft-power-playthrough-gif-17211530

I wanna see my clerics summoning the holy mofo spirit out there

[sinful bluff]

ranger airstike only useful to make disengage do cool things 😦

climbing the windmills in town as a ranger was quite entertaining now rogues cheat =with it

[past whale]

I want tanks dropping banners and using walls for spacing and diverting damage more to them/giving absorbs

Hopium is that guard eventually doesn’t suck and we can get some sort of parry or riposte in the game for melee as well

[sinful bluff]

Cleric should get prismatic beam but healing verion :p

[past whale]

Better timing on active guard = more or all damage nullified. Just can’t have it where holding it down perma is BIS

[sinful bluff]

kinda like moria from overwatch ulti :p

[past whale]

I’m a simp for wow holy Paladin beacon of light. The target gets X% of all their healing

[cloud gust]

Tanks def need more group buffing.

A horn would be awesome.

Banners would be awesome.

(more) Battle Cries would be awesome.

[sinful bluff]

honostly think tanks need like a dome they can cast that reduces AoE dmg or omething for puhing through choke point in largecale might be a more end game thing though not realy a pre 25 sskill

[past whale]

Also want tanks to have an AOE style grapple even if its just limited to a few ppl

[cloud gust]

Idk about that but...

[past whale]

Yeah I gave clerics that in my thesis above somewhere but either them or tanks getting that would be peak

[sinful bluff]

i want them to have threshed chain pul as an option hooks somone dragges them too the tank slowly but tank can reactive it and fly towards them instead 😛

[past whale]

Let tanks grapple friendlies to safety

[sinful bluff]

i like it on tanks cause it acts as a anchor point of a group where u useing them to push the front line through choke and stopping the aoe hitting it for the range to push in after

[past whale]

Also please make it so gambit stops going on CD and taking my HP but still letting the target die. Thanks

[sinful bluff]

u want the League of legend thresh kit :p

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sv95nBi7ulQ

[cloud gust]

I think a lot of PvP games can learn from Leauge tbf.

[past whale]

Dual purpose. I can bring them to safety or you’re coming with me into the fray

[cloud gust]

Like - Thresh, Braum, Leona all great tank abilities.

[sinful bluff]

yeah they realy can there alot of interesting skills and things in league that go well in MMO

[cloud gust]

Fighter = Olaf.

Let's go.

I wanna play Olaf in an MMO for sure.

That would be peak PvP

[past whale]

Gimme this

But with all elements

[sinful bluff]

Thresh would make a sweet ass raid boss fight haha

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZjvDFvzfxsQ

make him a necro type boss that summoner minions each time the minions get kill he absorbs the souls making him stronger, you gotta destroy the lantern doing so will spawn a spectrial cload circle around the areana which blocks people from coming inside so u need to be within the circle when lantern break or be locked out side

and have the spirits lash out of this wall doing line aoe dmg that players need to avoid

[proper hearth]

when senna as a raid boss?

[spiral grove]

Tank buffs when?

[spiral grove]

yo.

big W

Thresh was one of my fav champs

the outplay potential

was hawt

[astral flame]

i think clerics should be able to heal the undead enemies and do damage to them.

[languid bronze]

When they make Guard work with tanking instead of against tanking I will consider it fixed. I don't know how it is for PvP but for PvE using Guard does more damage to yourself than preventing it.

[rigid hamlet]

Can we talk about ranger losing RANGED fights to every class besides maybe rogue?

Fighter just wins by auto attacking with lifesteal+attackspeed, mage obviously just deals more dmg and shields, cleric outheals, bard does more dmg and sustain, tank - tanks it

We need some kinda buff for rangers if no enemy is in melee range to give them an edge in ranged fights, or rename the class

Class rename suggestions would be "Vine Field" or "Trash"

build up attackspeed in combat every second while no enemy is in melee range up to X stacks, lose them if an enemy gets close

and give rangers more range than other classes, atleast like 5 meters

[green charm]

Bad ranger detected if you're losing fights to fighter in this patch

Ranger do need a buff tho

[plain grail]

When we are able to pick a second archetype are we stuck with that choice or can we change it?

[lament agate]

I think they said for the beta theyll allow you to respec freely, but on release i think itll be a lot harder or locked

[plain grail]

Ok, well guess that is ok

Maybe have a quest line to change

[sinful bluff]

when they increase level cap :p

[ionic plume]

It sounds like (key words...sounds like..we dont know anything for sure) during alpha we might be able to change easily and then during live/later on it will be possible but will require some work to do so

[zinc sierra]

Can you do me a play by play of how ranger win vs a fighter ?

[rigid hamlet]

https://streamable.com/jcqnth if the fighter is bad and tries to melee then like this

if the fighter just auto attacks with lifesteal, dodgerolls your abilities and uses the attackspeed buff then it's depressing

[green charm]

don't trade hits into blood infusion

kite like kiko does

fighter has SHIT mobility

[zinc sierra]

Look like a Bad fighter angle ngl

[rigid hamlet]

the fact that a fighter can just lifesteal twice with the cooldown reset and can jump a mob to completely reset the hp even if you kite makes it very hard

[green charm]

at the same time, if you dodge roll away on their one mobility skill

their options are very limited

[zinc sierra]

They can charge > sleep, it's unavoidable

[rigid hamlet]

In theory they have 4 cause of the cooldown reset

[green charm]

never works out that way tho

and if you have slightly different elevation they will just shoot way past you anyway

[rigid hamlet]

A good fighter won't jump you without getting their passive up

I really don't think equally skilled ranger will beat fighter just cause of the option to fully reset your hp on mobs in like 3sec

now if you have a bard who dispells the fighter then they are completely lost

[green charm]

it's not that potent anymore

unless you're letting them get like four mobs in the middle of the fight

[rigid hamlet]

well, it's not about letting them when they have lifesteal up, it's either trade or keep distance

[green charm]

realistically they can't hold on to lifesteal unless they're pooping on you

you need to be agro enough that they're pressured into using it

[rigid hamlet]

agro ranger means stand on 30 meters and pretend to deal half as much damage as a mage

[green charm]

no need to be so doomer

[rigid hamlet]

well, I'll keep asking for ranger buffs and abilities that channel faster than 3.8 sec

[green charm]

no way is your snipe 3.8 sec with shortbow

[rigid hamlet]

3.2 is still horrible for standing still

Like you can tab out and switch music during it, that's bad

[green charm]

i agree that snipe is dead

but 3.8 is egregious

[rigid hamlet]

that's the default time

and you can't even slow walk during it or anything

people probably regen enough stamina to dodgeroll it for free during the channel time

[green charm]

not quite

I would like to see snipe increased to 800% though

or given an aoe explosion

[rigid hamlet]

800% would just be a boring nuke, boring to play for both sides, just rework the ability completely

Slap a bomb onto it which triggers the next time you damage the target, sure

still need a lot more tho

[rigid hamlet]

#buffranger

[sinful bluff]

2.7 with shortbows 2.9 with longbow but does like 30% less dmg

[sinful bluff]

impossible not to do when they can just use a bow too almost as effective too dmg wise

[deep loom]

if u think u can win duels against good fighters then u havent played a good one yet 😄

[green charm]

not how it works anymore

you can easily make up the lost damage elsewhere now

[green charm]

only if you don't press your buttons

[deep loom]

even if u press your buttons his lifesteal will heal most of the dmg u do while he is autoattacking you to death.

[limber grove]

How is Fighter now with the TTK changes? Better place in PvP?

[deep loom]

way better

[green charm]

he doesn't deal that much damage wiht auto attacks dog

[deep loom]

dog u literally havent played against a decent fighter and its obvious

have u even played after the TTK changes in general is the question

[green charm]

you must be on lotharia

no clue

[deep loom]

cause u seem to be completely clueless

[deep loom]

and u are from one of the servers that people seem to be playing with monitors turned off 😄

[green charm]

took you five minutes to write that?

pipe down chimp

[deep loom]

eh?

[green charm]

try your luck in the #alpha-two-artisan-chat channel

[deep loom]

deranged

[limber grove]

TTK is too long in discord PvP, need to shorten it....

[zinc sierra]

I mean you think ranger is an ez win against fighter idk who the chimp is here

[green charm]

I will only reply to vyra players from now on

[deep loom]

yeah thats the only fighters u can beat i suppose.

so better sit in your bubble

[violet lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/popcorn-guy-relaxing-popcorm-popcorn-gif-26404903

[zinc sierra]

https://tenor.com/view/no-arms-funny-chase-running-run-gif-10369906702189527812

[deft finch]

anyone got recommended gear i should go for on fresh start for tank?

[spiral grove]

Any info on tank rework finish date?

[languid dragon]

What do you guys feel is better in 1v1 right now after the rework , fighter or rogue ?

[cloud gust]

I have never lost 1v1 on my rogue since ttk changed, except to another Rogue.

I’ve lost to other classes on my fighter.

[languid dragon]

How's fighter feel after the rework.? I'm still figuring stuff out right now. Have lvl 9 rogue atm . But no direction really as far as what gear and stuff to be trying to get . Still veryyyy early for me

[flat shuttle]

Id say rogue is a lot better, but requires higher than normal skill cap imo.

[languid dragon]

Yea I can see that . Gotta keep track of ur advantage and lots of buttons to press .

That's my take so far at lvl 9 anyway lol

I wish u can make the buff icons bigger and hide some of the more useless ones

[flat shuttle]

Just practice different variations of advantage gains.
You can have abilities loaded essentially to give advantage back.
Can actually get up to 5 advantage backstabs lol.

[languid dragon]

Right now i only see two ways ti get advantage. One from stealth and one from the acrobatic leap i think ? I'm at work so trying to remember . I don't think right now the stacks of advantage give me the backstabs tho. Maybe it's higher level I get that?

[flat shuttle]

A full flurry combo will give advantage, fully stacked sap will, feint > weapon finisher, a shadow step from over 15m, going cloaked.
Definitely a few options 🙂

[languid dragon]

Ahhh yea feint with the combo finisher I remember reading that. I have trouble seeing when I actually do the combo finisher? Like how do I know when that procs ? @flat shuttle

[flat shuttle]

More just have to pay attention to your advantage bar.

[cloud gust]

Rogues got nerfed, especially with advantage generation when they removed it from smoke bomb.

[flat shuttle]

I hardly see the smoke change as a nerf.
Now I have multiple opportunities to restealth in combat aside from the 1.5min CD umbral.

[cloud gust]

If stealth wasn’t broken I would agree

[languid dragon]

The advantage bar is just the little buff icon right ? Just gotta keep an eye on when that pops i presume.? I wish u can edit that cuz so much useless buff icons pop up lol

[pseudo plover]

Any good Spot to get Rogue gear?

[flat shuttle]

Red bar around your HP is your advantage.

[languid dragon]

Jesus i didn't know that 🤦🤦🤦🤣🤣🤣 tyyyy

[languid bronze]

Bears are scary.

[rigid hamlet]

So are squirrels

[languid bronze]

One star squirrels would get wrecked by a one star bear

[rigid hamlet]

for sure, but they're all above the ranger

[violet lantern]

You and kiko are garbage, everyday when i open discord i see “#buffranger and tank rework when ?”

[spiral grove]

? thefuck are you talking about clown? I ain't ever say shit about rangers

yeah I'm asking about the tank because it was announced, got a problem with that?

Fking weirdo, ignore it if you can't handle a question

[glad cloak]

[violet lantern]

learn how to read

[spiral grove]

I did and my conclusion is you're hot shit. now stop @ing me, you NPC.

[violet lantern]

ok simple-minded

[spiral grove]

Yes :) keep things in life simple.

[warm hemlock]

zero

[spiral grove]

Ty Shadow

[rigid hamlet]

Steven if you read this then please tell the person who made rogue to take a peek at ranger

[green charm]

sadly they have now killed raven mark

it's over

[spiral grove]

what happened

[green charm]

damage removed

it now does exactly what the tooltip says

taking it from niche to worthless

[agile saddle]

That part is a good thing
But ranger needs a rework since it’s the worst class

[green charm]

yeah it just needs a good tooltip now

[languid dragon]

Guys does the lvl 10 gear u can buy with citizen bucks , are there different options of gear in each town ? For example I'm in Winstead and all the vendor has is heavy armor lvl 10 gear for sale

[sinful bluff]

what ever gets u 10k hp :p

[solemn tangle]

when are we going to get a dark caster/warlock with dot type

[clear lynx]

We had Bluebell gear in Miraleth

[spiral grove]

Tank rework when

[clear lynx]

What's wrong with tank?
Seems to be tanking just fine for me as a tank

No damage, but i only argue that it can use a mana boost.

And if grapple had 2 charges

[languid dragon]

Hmm I'm trying to find medium armor

[clear lynx]

Good Luck citizen
I have not had a town/Citizenship in a month

[languid dragon]

Why?

[clear lynx]

I been working towards leveling up Squall's End.
Added Bonus: I don't get into node wars if I am not a citizen

[languid dragon]

Game down for anyone ?

[uncut thistle]

Is "Off Balance" mechanic still not working?

[calm juniper]

are players supposed to see the rogue stealth cause im finding that the steath really isnt fully stealthed

[flat shuttle]

rarely works on mobs, no problems on pvp though for me

[crystal brook]

My understanding is - a frontal cone and a short distance is where one can be seen -- less likely if behind or at least not in cone viewing area..

[calm juniper]

ok thats what ive seen as well also a lot of times my pants just arent hidden at all and i was also wondering if my charaters hands where supposed to glow or should i /bug that

[crystal brook]

Ahh - forgot to mention -- ones weapon does not disappear - at least the rangers bow - so a floaating weapon can be seen -- especially if its +6 aand glowing. If scouting - rangers will usuaally unequip weapons until needed.

[green charm]

it's just giga buggy atm

[empty pewter]

Can I play bard without the book? Like use a bow instead?

[past whale]

Yep. Book is arguably the worst option for bard

Wand/focus, longbow, shortbow, book all options

[empty pewter]

Good, i hate that thing.

[past whale]

Take whatever is highest power generally at the time while leveling but Wanda/focus and LB are the top options and it ain’t close

[tight portal]

Grapple still has a high failure rate
Charge: Knockback talent literally doesn't work
Absorption Field is 15% shield and falls off the second you step out of the circle and cannot be regained as well as preventing other tank shields from being used.
Wall is tiny and people can just spam jump and fully cast over the top of it
Aegis/Protect need a damage reduction mechanic to ever be really impactful
Ground Pound is supposed to have a mechanic that launches players and makes them take 25% more damage it does not
Ground Pound has the same CD and a CC effect like Mage Cone of Cold but has a courage cost and is 20% of the size
Threat is a meme mechanic due to how it functions off of Intim/Taunt and max HP
Grit costs so much courage 95% of tanks are just not pressing it as it doesn't provide enough use over Slam/GP

[clear lynx]

Okay, so maybe there's a couple things that could use some love 😆

[forest crane]

I havnt used grapple hook at all cause I've heard it do t work very well but last night I was with another tank and he was using it pretty effectively made me want to start

[forest crane]

I'd assume they want to release summoner , than work on having the subclasses and releasing the game before they start looking at whole new archtypes

[rigid hamlet]

#buffranger

[languid bronze]

I have noticed several improvements for Grapple in PvE situations over the last month or so. It's fairly rare that it doesn't manage to drag a mob in and it's always when they've been dragged over deep chasms or other very disrupting pieces of terrain.

Now I've even seen it go off twice, if the first chain-throw didn't manage to drag the mob. I don't know what they're doing with it on the back-end or in the shadows, but it's working quite well for PvE.

[hearty drum]

Why does cleric only hve 3 damage abilities? Can we get maybe a stance that lets us change some healing abilities to damage abilities for solo play? Or some dot mechanics?

[meager shuttle]

use ranged weapon and apply bleed or burning, there ya go

[languid bronze]

I heard Whipping was fun. Never got to try it 😦

[elfin coyote]

whys book worst option

[high matrix]

Secondary archetypes will allow you to spec damage

[languid bronze]

I would also like to know. I enjoy when it's explained why something is good or bad - been to enough echo-chambers to just blindly go along at this point >.<

[languid dragon]

Fellas , how is the tank damage in this game ? Doable to do solo content or nah ?

[languid bronze]

Go try it out.

[sly kite]

tanks are pretty durable, but solo they kinda take forever to level

[hearty drum]

At what level is that? Because at low level it seems quite repetitive to level up all the way with just 3 damage skills currently.

[past whale]

Book only becomes better when you have 5 or 6+ mobs iirc the number due to the AOE finisher. Bards utility is all based around resonate stacks be it damage/mana/health whenever you consume resonate stacks. Shortbow/wand are fastest for consuming it and wand has good argument for being used and is better for 1v1 duels imo. Longbow while slower than those 2 is still faster than book plus has longer range/able to stack wounds allowing you to poke and use res stacks from safety in larger fights.

While leveling it’s legit whatever gives you best stacks but for PvP I’d recommend LB/Wand > SB/Book to other bards

[rigid hamlet]

:c nerf bard dmg

[past whale]

https://tenor.com/view/uppies-mario-super-mario-mario-rpg-super-mario-rpg-gif-5889455635280264834

[sly kite]

25

and those arent even in the game yet

[languid bronze]

Thanks!

[cloud gust]

Are there any tanks that are willing to help me understand the class?

[fickle pulsar]

1. work in progress
2. buttonmashing works for level grind

[empty pewter]

As a Bard, what artisan gear should I get? I saw a post saying art gear stacks stats for combat. But I can't find any sites that show all the gear.

[stiff nymph]

Def get the Bardisan gear

[empty pewter]

https://tenor.com/view/funnydogs-cute-smile-gif-3489323746523995085

Is that sum sorta Bard joke.

[lament agate]

Lumberjacking shirt + jewelcrafting pants/belt?
Theres some other combos like arcane engineering pants/belt i think too

just look on codex and see what stats u want.

https://ashescodex.com/db/items/gear/artisan/shirt/page/1
then change to pants/belt

[empty pewter]

ty

[lament agate]

farmer might be pretty good now too, extra 700 hp if u get full lego gear

and u only need 1 prof

[cloud gust]

I’m not looking to level grind. I’m trying to min max.

[tired hornet]

The Ashes Codex Starter Build for tank is actually the best I've seen. Breaks down a solid order for the skills and explains your forms of CC, threat generation, and damage mitigation. A tank lover definitely made that guide.

[neon hawk]

how the rouge class. i havent seen to many youtube videos about them are they underpowerd or something or just difficult to play?

[royal token]

It’s fun if you’re playing rogue in small scale PvP. But that’s about it.

You have more desirable lineups for large scale PvP, and any PvE. Fun to play though

[agile saddle]

they have a high skill ceiling

[neon hawk]

hmmm how do they compare to fighters i played figher and cleric in phase 2 and enjoyed them but kinda want to try something new for the fresh start

[agile saddle]

better single target damage
really good at killing magic classes

[tall heart]

Played both at 25. Tbh, it just depends what style you prefer. If you're a relatively casual player, go with fighter, it'll be a lot more fun. It's simple and powerful. The ceiling is a lot higher on the rogue, but it will feel weaker if you don't put the time in to master the class

[forest crane]

Is there any rumors on summoner timeliness?

[uneven zephyr]

3rd phase

[sinful bluff]

before august

[sinful bluff]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5EE8b0ibfY0&t=243s

[real talon]

all classes do imo

[cloud gust]

Are there any tanks willing to jump in a voice chat?

I’m looking to pick the brain of an experience tank. PvE & PvP.

Thanks ^_^

[versed viper]

Arguably 6 when you consider several abilities do multiple things like damage, healing, and CC. Smite, Judgement, Bless Weapon, Consecrating Wave, Divine Flare, Chains of Restraint. Of course damage isn't the only reason to use these skills, but it is part of it. But the complexity of the class is part of why it's so good.

[grave jungle]

They're alot better now

PvE - They're a tank. Dont do much damage.
PvP - They got good armor/defense. And can hit decent vs light and medium armor

[rigid hamlet]

🥲

How about we do a sneaky ranger buff before the new server starts

[ionic plume]

2nd class options will probably fill the role... We have 25 levels missing

[sinful bluff]

You will probaly see more dmg skills with secondaries, the base class is standard thing for that role so cleric is very heal based with base kit

[umbral seal]

Give rogue actual stealth.

[agile creek]

rogue stealth is broken. rogue burst damage was nerfed into the ground.

the mobility abilities commonly fling you away from your target

needs significant improvement.

[pallid ibex]

Rogue is really fun but a lot of location issues with abilities.

E.g. I was flying around 2 days ago due to Rogue Ability interactions with other classes in pvp

[lime bridge]

How is the Ranger doing these days in PvP? I haven't played in the last 2-3 months.

[gentle panther]

Did they say which patch was 2h weapons? I heard something vague then lost it

[languid bronze]

They said they might hold off with it until P3

[plucky ridge]

tank fix when?

[vale saffron]

Depends what you mean by fix. They said on todays stream they're not going to do major archetype changes until the Summoner is released (sometime before August)

But minor changes like bug fixes and number tweaks are possible

[plucky ridge]

I mean look how many tanks are in game... tanking is not very fun right now, for the bugs to core changes that they applied.
While I domt think tanks should be the strongest they need to feel like they do something and currently a fighter can kind of do a tanks job no problem and this is kind of sad. (I think fighters have some problems 2 but Im a tank main so I will complain about the things I have the knowlage to do so).

Guess Im waiting for the summoner now

[cloud scarab]

guys any rogue enjoyer to tell me how it is to play it?

[clear adder]

High skill ceiling

Recently got big nerfs

[agile saddle]

Besides the stats being reworked, what nerf did they cop?

[clear adder]

Stealth nerf, grappling hook changes made it slower, sap nerf along with deleting poison stacks when used

And stat rework also made their main weapon choices kind of dog

They also still haven’t fixed dagger animation speed

So it does way less damage overall then other options

[agile saddle]

What’s wrong with dagger animation speed?

[clear adder]

It’s slower to do a dagger combo then any other weapon

For less damage

[languid bronze]

The animation itself looks awesome, though

[clear adder]

Yeah but it’s dog damage

[languid bronze]

I know

[wanton creek]

so is fighter > rogue now? i'm rolling away from mage wanna play a diff class this time

[neon hawk]

I feel the same. I know fighter is the more optimal choice for solo pve but rogue does look fun

[verbal osprey]

Was excited to hear Steven has Bucky looking at skill trees. Establishing ranks per active abilities… starting with cleric.

Hopefully that lends itself to more variety of useful builds (instead of everyone speccing the same). It certainly helped shape different builds/specs in Shadowbane.

[verbal osprey]

No. They said spears+2h hammer were done, and could be ready in a few patches - but they might also wait til Aug 4 for more polish.

[gentle panther]

Solid. I can live with that.

[sullen verge]

Talking about the sprint/dash stealth debuff? Or has there been additional nerfs?

[flat shuttle]

think hes more referencing you can get tripped out of hook, sap consumes the poisons, and stealth is easier to detect now

[sullen verge]

I played after the first big rogue update, which did the hook animation and sap consuming poison. It also added a stealth level debuff when using dash or sprint.
Haven't played in the last 2 weeks, was wondering if there were additional changes I missed. Stealth didn't seem impacted PvE that patch, though didn't do much PvP testing.

[flat shuttle]

Stealth super meh in pve anyways. Especially when solo lol.

[sullen verge]

? I found it did its job. Mobs weren't seeing me. Let me pick what I wanted to attack without getting random agro from other things

[flat shuttle]

I mean the part of the kit using stealth to gain advantage. Mobs would just reset

[sullen verge]

Stealth in combat worthless, yeah

[flat shuttle]

and guile

[sullen verge]

smoke bomb + stealth while solo is to get away

[flat shuttle]

half the time doesn't work on like skeles and beetles lol

[sullen verge]

Stealth solo PvE as an in combat ability is definitely worthless.
And yeah, some weird AI bugs make some mobs not loose agro when stealthed.

But as a utility abilty, stealth is super worthwhile solo.

And with the reduced proximity requirement, it is fairly easy to dash away and use it to break combat.

[flat shuttle]

yeah certain times its very useful, wish I could take full advantage of the kit in pve, but it's all good ^^.

[sullen verge]

Maybe different perspective, I see stealth as an out of combat ability. That you can use it in-combat in a group with the reduced proximity now is just a bonus. If you use stealth in-combat solo PvE, I'm not sure what to expect other than that the NPC would reset.

[jaunty bone]

im also wondering how the hunter is since the rework? Are they better or worse?

[trail moat]

?? @mighty nimbus @winged plank

[clear adder]

Kaspersky 🤮

Imagine using a malware as an antivirus

[vapid parcel]

Hey guys, sorry for the bother. Took a break from Alpha and am coming back for the fresh start. Curious on if the staff is now back in the game?

[flat shuttle]

No staff.

[vapid parcel]

@flat shuttle Thanks very much.

[stuck shoal]

Summoner delayed? i thought it would be Start today?

[long python]

Hey guys which class do you think have the fastest potentional to level up quickly solo?

[toxic ridge]

Probably not until late phase 2.5 at the earliest. My guess is not until phase 3 tbh

[untold onyx]

any recommendations for a first archetype to check out? i'm new to this testing journey - i will likely be mostly playing solo unless i find a group to hang with

[raven garden]

Is the 2hd spellsword "good" for pvp use on mage?

[main crest]

imagine paying 250 dollars to play, and all you can do is getting error codes while all your friends gets to play and level.. FIX THIS ERROR CODE BS. or atleast resett servers so everyone gets a fair ground to start levelling with friends. @mighty nimbus

[stuck axle]

well this test has been an ultimate fail we cant even play at all

[slate linden]

🤷‍♂️

[neon hawk]

thats why we are testing .... as a stress test to find the issues

[stuck axle]

yea its just idssheartening watching my wife play and a ton of people play and not being able to log on at all

i mean at this point we might as well delete characters and start over in a week

[teal tusk]

yeah, well you bought the game knowing it wasnt a full release.

[versed viper]

guys this is what testing is all about - finding bugs and other issues and getting them fixed

it's not going to be a smooth ride

[modern aspen]

Having issues with cleric heals not healing who I’m targeting. Neither is flagged or debuffed in anyway. Heals are flashing as if they’re doing something but not registering or showing any numbers.

[cloud gust]

Does having a shield out change my stats on a tank?

Or does the stat apply even when I have my bow out

[brave egret]

You did not pay 250 to play. You paid 250 to test. Not only that, but you are doing what you paid for. Report your issues and relax.

[cloud gust]

Does having a shield out change my stats on a tank?
Or does the stat apply even when I have my bow out

[green charm]

Shield useless

[thorny gull]

Hi, does the wand richochete? or only the spellbook?

[versed viper]

No wand is single target.

[thorny gull]

dam, as a mage. whats best for pvp and pve? im gonna go with spellbook, or wand is better?

[umbral seal]

daggers still suck 😂 and still defaults to range attacks in melee range when bow is your toggle. 😂

[balmy oasis]

Just coming back to alpha after a bit of a break. Debating leveling a fighter/ranger. Anyone have suggestions on which to pick?

[next kindle]

Whats the go to weapon combo for rogue atm? Coming back to the game after a long time

[sly kite]

2h sword and bow

[next kindle]

fr?

[prime stone]

Anyone have a good alternative keybind for target self? F1 seems a bit out of the way

[civic zenith]

Is there any penalty on using heavier armors? As fighter should I run heavy?

[umbral seal]

No penalties. Just stack whatever stat you want.

[civic zenith]

Ty

WHat are weapon combo attacks? How do they relate to the finishers like bleed/stagger?

[umbral seal]

a string of auto attacks that has a final attack.

auto attack something without using abilities and you'll understand

[civic zenith]

Oh ok, makes sense

[lyric cedar]

as a ranger should i be marking my targets with that right click mark thing?

[foggy idol]

what would be the closest thing to a death knight with DPs that heals you

[tough bear]

Seems like there's not really leech classes from what I've seen
But as for tanky dps, probably fighter?

[foggy idol]

so no real way of making a fighter that heals itself with DPs?

[tough bear]

I haven't seen it
But might be?

[neon hawk]

how is everyone finding the rogue? i tried it up to lvl 9 earlier but im not sure if the movement is just lagging due to servers but it doesn't feel great

[polar sandal]

tbh i find it hard to play due to the movement, sometimes it stutters and there is a lot of movement overall

do we know yet how the second archetype affects the spells?

[vale saffron]

This is the most recent info we have

[polar sandal]

sorry im not that familiar with maim, the wiki also doesnt have info on how it affects the spell. Do you know what's the change?

[dusky forge]

Fighter has blood fusion which is a massive life steal….

[versed viper]

that sort of thing would probably fall under augments and secondary classes in phase 3

[versed viper]

https://ashescodex.com/planner is a better website for skill info and a bunch of other stuff

it looks like maim goes from a melee cone to a projectile with the talent upgrade

[ruby pebble]

First mistake was making a fighter

It's ok I continue to make that same mistake

[foggy idol]

I actually made a bard 🙂 i was just having a hard time understanding the mechanics

[tough bear]

Oooh ❤️

[brave cosmos]

Blood fusion self sustains mana and health with damage output, but it’s a skill and lasts a few seconds

[quick mesa]

first, were in an alpha... some people expect a beta where nearly all is functional... some stuff thats already there is turned off, and so on... but for clerics, healing works fine, havent been in groups so far to try area

but healing other people works fine even outta groups

and, shame on me, im a mouse clicker... own layout and so on, im used to it... rightclick for target self is great as healer

and for archetype, cleric works great with spellsword, shield, spellbook and plate for solo stuff... like before

[upbeat forum]

Best bet would probably be fighter with Cleric as secondary, but until we get secondaries there isn't much class based leeching. Rogue and fighter both have a little on their own, but not enough to call them leech based classes. There is also some gear you can get that will give you lifesteal

[daring sentinel]

fighter has blood fusion skill which does exactly that, also you can try out lifesteal gear which gives you passive 25% chance to trigger a heal based on your dps.

[hollow surge]

I'm bad at making friends, do y'all think there will be more demand for Bard or cleric in groups?

[agile saddle]

Clerics and tanks are mandatory required to do anything that isn’t trash 0 Star mobs
Bard is just nice to have but not mandatory

[hollow surge]

That's a good point thank you

[zinc sierra]

Bard is def mandatory if you wanna actually be efficient 😄

[still bay]

At least for chain pull the mana regen is mandatory imo

[agile saddle]

Yes, but tank and cleric are mandatory to live longer than a few seconds

[ionic plume]

Tanks got a buff @spiral grove

grit last longer

and only need to cast once

no more stacking

more damage also

[ionic plume]

Im fairly new to tank so havent noticed anything else yet but having press grit only once every 20 seconds is nice

[lavish walrus]

I just started playing and was wondering what the best weapon for the bard is? I start with a book but I noticed people in streams using a bow

[hard fog]

There is spellcaster bows so you can build your bard however you want to

[lavish walrus]

ah nice, ty

[silk dirge]

I prefer short bow to trigger the resonance stacks quicker, but like above said, there is choices so play how you want ✌️

[spiral grove]

😂

Thanks but it feels a bit troll 😂

[cloud gust]

Curiouys why they buffed tank grit

[ionic plume]

lol the grit buffs does feel nice though

[cloud gust]

Meh

Rather not have it

Prioritizez lazy gameplay.

[spiral grove]

😂 How's it catering to bad players when the only difference is how often you spam it?

You are trolling If you think keeping grit up takes any form of skill 🙃

[cyan patio]

As a bard how do I use Fierce Wit, is it a skill or a passivew. I cant drag in onto my action bar

[magic dust]

so as a cleric, what kind of weapon and spells should I use when I find myself needing to gring something solo?

[umbral seal]

Fighter buff yet? pokes Izzy

[north creek]

Short bow or long bow for rogue?

[spiral grove]

get outta here

[maiden hearth]

2 MOVEMENT impairing debuffs to trip

So you can do get off the stage —> chilling then tomato for trip.

However, if you channel chilling for too long or have chill on the target ahead of time, it could go immune to snare/chill and not get tripped, so play with it and learn how to reliably proc it.

The fire one is pretty self explanatory so I won’t talk about it

[agile saddle]

I kinda hate the current cc system
Mobs become immune to cc far too quickly

[umbral seal]

daggers still suck btw.

[north pagoda]

@umbral seal 2h bis for rogue?

[magic dust]

can any melee weapon apply burning? (similar to wands)

[clever forum]

any cracked rangers got a good pvp build

[delicate charm]

only wand / book have burning / frost / shock as choices. outside of that you would need blessed weapon or enchant weapon fire

[languid bronze]

the change to Grit was amazing. I actually press the button now \o/

[umbral shale]

change to grit was nice, change to aura destroyed its aggro generating ability thooo

[languid bronze]

From 10% health to 5% wasn't too bad. It still works very nice but makes you want to press other buttons for aggro

[delicate charm]

Reflect only using base block value but not allowing you to block with your shield for additional block kinda hurts, it really should stack

[languid bronze]

agreed

[delicate charm]

and, hitting block cancels reflect, another bad move

[languid bronze]

probably because you already have the shield up

[delicate charm]

i'm a "hold the block button" not a "tap the block button"

so tested, pop reflect, hold shield holds the shield but drops reflect

otherwise, something doing a 1,2,3 hit and being trip immune, i want that shield up for the next 2 hits

[languid bronze]

Reflect could be interesting if it stayed up for the duration (unless cancelled) but only reflected the first hit

[delicate charm]

instead, have to hold shield down for big hit, then pop reflect for a small hit

and how close to the impact you have to be to get the reflect damage + trip off rather than just the mana and or block is pretty dumb.

[languid bronze]

just gotta iterate

[delicate charm]

i like the premise and the usage, it can just use some tuning

i just REALLY want that sheild value added in, for sure

[languid bronze]

getting some baseline block-chance in at all would be pretty sweet