alpha-two-archetype-chat

[twin mason]

Yea I was wondering where earth and wind spells are.

I see goblins yeet rocks with homing devices. So it's in the game.

[agile saddle]

Well one thing to think about

There is supposed to be only 4 themes called augment schools for a single secondary archetype
What 4 themes will the secondary mage have if they already have Flame, Frost, Teleport

[twin mason]

Lightning

[agile saddle]

Ok where does wind and earth fit in the themes for mage then?

Keep in mind fighter has a very obvious earth magic skill in cataclysm, and when you use the leap you have rocks floating around feet

[twin mason]

I just thought of generic elemental magic. Things like gravity, light, dark, earth wind water fire, null, ect.

[thin ingot]

Clerics - is it better to have Intellect or Healing Power or Wisdom if a ring had only 1 of the stats?

[clear lynx]

Intelligence
Cleric base stats are laughable. Terrible terrible stats. Max level cleric is like 30+ less stats points than max level of other classes

[warm oracle]

https://i.imgflip.com/9lhdib.jpg

[proper hearth]

you mean like mana?

[granite saddle]

Give fighter leap an aoe trip augment

Thanks for coming to my ted talk

[proper hearth]

[granite saddle]

I see a non believer

[proper hearth]

i mean, i assume that you post is a joke

BUT.. i can see some conditional trip being added to leap

[granite saddle]

I aoe cap it

But also leap needs some sauce for large scale

[proper hearth]

i disagree with the word needs

[granite saddle]

The thought is for leap into cataclysm but that combo is too slow and cataclysm is bugged and doesn’t proc in ZvZ

[granite saddle]

Fair

[proper hearth]

we will have at least 2 TTK adjustment patches, probalby some major adjustment of fighter kit, together with other kits to bring them to the level of rogue and bard

and if there will be issues by then

then we can talk about stuff like taht

[granite saddle]

I guess I still think the issue remains but we’ll see

[proper hearth]

[granite saddle]

Currently I feel that fighter should be a disruptor but it doesn’t have the tools needed to do so

[proper hearth]

one can argue that its the role of a rogue

so like i said, the best is wait and see how they will cook the classes

[granite saddle]

If that’s the case then what is fighters role? But again we’ll see what they do with patches. Right now the class is meh.

[proper hearth]

i mean, you can find a lot of assignments, fighter can be diver, unstoppable force that applies constant pressure

and in gvg.. well

a bomb

[granite saddle]

Do you play fighter?

[proper hearth]

nop

[granite saddle]

Because currently that’s not possible with the kit

[proper hearth]

i know ppl who play fighter

[proper hearth]

depends

bombing in gvg is possible

fighters are scaring in small scale

they fall of in gvg sure

[granite saddle]

Agree

[granite saddle]

They suck

[proper hearth]

but my answer was that you can find a lot of different roles for fighter

we will see what intrepid will go for

[shy acorn]

What do we think about making ranger snipe a charge up ability like lightning bolt?

[twilit mesa]

Agreed especially with how well roar feels now

HP scaling does not keep up with the power output

And fighters whole job is to go in and do dmg

Give me a fighter like lost arks zerker

[granite saddle]

A mix of Lost Ark Zerker and Gw2 Warrior would be great tbh

Or elyon warlord

But I think that is closer to tank

Make lunging assault like an aoe slow or some shit

with the augment

[vale saffron]

TERA slayer

[granite saddle]

I never played slayer

I was a gunner player

[proper hearth]

when AoC will be TERA

[barren forum]

Why did they divide Physical and magical block into 2 seperate stat lines? Feels like it convolutes the system into way too many stat lines for defense

[high matrix]

Because physical and magical defense are two separate things?

[barren forum]

But at the same time, someone focuses attack stats of their type while someone cant focus both defence stat accurately, wouldn't this always lead to attack outprioritizing defence.

Blocking a fireball with a shield or an arrow with the shield should at least absorb some of the shock & damage right?

[green charm]

it's an imperfect system for sure

I think they will add magic shields

[agile saddle]

That is the current issue with damage and defense right now

Especially since strength and intelligence both give penetration
Meaning if you stack enough main stat for damage, you also invalidate the defenses of everyone who isn’t a tank

[green charm]

even tanks gettin deleted though

[agile saddle]

Of course, but there is a difference between tanks with damage reduction plus defenses and everyone else who just has defenses

The tanks have the dr to mitigate the damage, everyone has thier gear defenses ignored by penetration

[barren forum]

Tanks have a 20% hp buff and 10 seconds of fortify, but ppl can still hit 1.4k through fortify on alot of +8 gear so you get enough stabs tank goes down

grit reduces physical dmg by around 6% per stack and magical dmg by 3% per stack so its a bit but not a lot

[agile saddle]

Yes because actual armour is ignored because you can reach enough penetration to invalidate it

Tanks have that small amount of dr to stay alive just that little bit longer

[barren forum]

yes in small scale a bit longer, in large scale that extra 2 seconds xD also apparently penetration doesnt have any cap either someone said, if you go above someones mitigation with pen it gives a damage bonus

[agile saddle]

Yep, which is why people are getting deleted in few seconds with no counter play

It doesn’t matter how much gear you have or what stats it has

As long as you have the highest mainstat possible and get the jump on your target

[little lark]

[spiral grove]

Tank buffs confirmed yet?

[agile saddle]

Gotta rework stats to fix that

[spiral grove]

I think it's pretty evident tanks need buffs regardless of stat fixes

[agile saddle]

Really cause the tank kit would be fine if gear defenses weren’t negated by dps entirely

[agile saddle]

What part of the kit needs changing? Cause it all seems to be pretty balanced to me

[spiral grove]

Kit might be fine, their numbers? not so much

For some reason nearly every defense ability was nerfed last archetype adjustment

When everyone literally stated that tanks do not feel tanky whatsoever

[agile saddle]

The main problem is the devs seem to be balancing like kits arr using white gear

[spiral grove]

I think more so they're balancing under the assumption of both PvE and PvP at once

Which is difficult to find a middle-ground for.

Idk I've played Tank in P1 as a potato - P2 this time pretty hardcore and I can definitely say without any hesitation

Tanking in this game in PvP is a joke. Whether It's the abilities not working/stats not working as intended. Every tank rn plays as DPS

Idk in what world tanking in mass-pvp will work for AoC but this isn't it

[agile saddle]

It’s only difficult if players and mobs have vastly different defensive numbers and damage is scaled to deal with mobs

[spiral grove]

3 ppl could be hitting you and you're gone. whereas in TnL you have tanks that can actually front-line and are a threat

Yeah, true

right now a dps and a tank take the same dmg from mobs

I actually think If they look at the way tanks are in TnL. They could get some insight

[agile saddle]

Stats and waterfall stats needs a rework

Before they do any major kit rebalancing

[spiral grove]

Yeah

[agile saddle]

Tbh kits on paper seem pretty good

[spiral grove]

I should probably check and double check vs players but it feels like there's too many variables when letting players hit you vs mobs

[glad cloak]

If bard had taunt it would be a better tank

[high matrix]

You mean cleric

[barren forum]

Can someone explain how prismtatic beam works for max damage? I just seen Someone in pvp deal 15k dmg over multiple ppl in a second channeling that
also magma field how does that exactly work o.o

[hollow cave]

Insight about tank from tnl

[spiral grove]

There's a reason ppl went SnS/Gs for mass-pvp even tho that wasn't even the "tank tank" build

at least playing tank there felt like you had impact

unlike here where hook doesn't even work

flag takes 10 years to throw

aegis has a joke range

I can go on and on

[hollow cave]

Ye sure good impact against the 1k flashwaves, have u ever played tnl?

[spiral grove]

??

SnS gs easily had 15k hp with some gear

whatever flashwaves did. you did not get clapped

ofc I have played it

otherwise I wouldn't have made the suggestion

[steel wharf]

1.8s cast on flag is awful 😭

[spiral grove]

It's dumb

It feels terrible and the impact of it is not even worth mentioning

Regardless of what you want to call the stage we are in rn technically or not

Tanks should def have way more hp

[languid raptor]

why do i have 500 more hp than a mage at level 25

[royal token]

or proper damage mitigation

[spiral grove]

It's w/e tho. you can go on and on about it. but I'm p sure by P3 the community will know how bad the archetype is and it'll only be picked to get through PvE

Once PvE is done they'll probably make alts if they can be bothered with it

@languid raptor because idk what scaling they are using it's just bad

If I go in my full "tank" build and pop food/scroll I get to like 6.4k

but the worst part is. that has little to no impact compared to me just going full DPS

[languid raptor]

congrats you now survive 1 more firebolt

[hollow cave]

We can agree that their focus is not class balance right now

[spiral grove]

@royal token Damage mitigation does work it's why when the mitigation bug was a thing tanks were insane lul

the rest just doesn't

sure class balancing isn't their focus

but at least make it so that every class is playable before releasing another one

I guess the fact that a hooked body doesn't stick to your char is already an upgrade

[spiral grove]

yup

[languid raptor]

you know shits fucked up when the mit bug was live tanks had to go to 85+ res to be effective

[spiral grove]

HAHAHA 😂 yeah

[languid raptor]

and feel tanky

[spiral grove]

tbh having 95% phys mit and 90% or w/e it was magic mit

you could actuallyyyyyyyyyyyy take hits

[languid raptor]

i get depression everytime i pop iron aura and i go from 53 to 54.3

[spiral grove]

it was a shitload of them and small numbers but it was there and yeah you definitely felt tanky

now you get hit by 3 different dps and you're ded

I'll definitely not bother playing tank next phase

[languid raptor]

the urge to stand in front is too much for me

[spiral grove]

same

[languid raptor]

even if it is shit

[spiral grove]

but I can't

I mean I still do but It's just soooooooooooo pathetic how squishy you are

[royal token]

give tanks global discount on repairs and less xp debt passives 🫡

[spiral grove]

Fk that. Fix the class idc about the lil details like that.

[languid raptor]

mmh i dont think giving treatment like that is a solution

no special treatment for any class if you do then that means your system in bad

[spiral grove]

Passives like that will take up slots for useful shit

like..

10% More hp when toggling aura

or

IDK

something. just MAKE US TANKY

before I go nuts

[languid raptor]

half of your skills are bugged, the other half are useless

[royal token]

i can already hear the ranger mains crying

[spiral grove]

😂

the fact that grapple is still not fixed is actually insane to me

ppl can spam jump or w/e and hook doesn't go through

or if a targetis snarred it won't pull them through

like

It's supposed to be a deadly HOOK that punishes ppl out of position or rewards you for frontlining

instead. it's a meme ability

[languid raptor]

idk about you but everytime i hit a grapple after trying for 10 times mind you and i hit trembling strike and the animation is like extending my arm to scratch the enemy balls is like bruh

[spiral grove]

I think grapple doesn't go through cuz of other effects but I feel like it should have priority

[barren forum]

unless they give an account wide bank im not bothering, too much trouble to swap gear over to alts

tanks are only necessary for threat generation and dont offer much else to the game right now

[coarse scroll]

This description just made my day 😂

[proper hearth]

@spiral grove why arent you rent free now

kicked

?

[proper hearth]

tank needs a nerf even after TTK adjustments

[twin mason]

What would be a better equip. Septer, Wand, and 2 focuses. Or septer book and 1 focus? Copper gear at lvl 8 wizard?

[proper hearth]

what is better, 6 triangles or 3 hexagons?

[twin mason]

Ok. Maybe a real answer? I can't log on and see what gives more stats. So I wanted to ask here because I figured some people would know

[quasi pewter]

8 octagons

[proper hearth]

[proper hearth]

on another note, wtf is badgirlsclub

any e-grills on sale there?

[quasi pewter]

I didnt make the name. And I havent seen any grills yet. Have you checked the cooking vendor for them?

[proper hearth]

the ones from ikea suc

[quasi pewter]

I wouldn't know.

[agile saddle]

You can see possible stats on gear with https://www.aoc-planner.gg/

[twin mason]

Thank you for this!

[quasi pewter]

What drops the focuses? I havent seen those once since I started.

[twin mason]

It's random with humanoid mobs. I got a few from goblins and highwaymen

[quasi pewter]

Oh

[spiral grove]

Why would I ever get kicked? I left

[spiral grove]

Stfu bish ass fighter

[proper hearth]

https://tenor.com/view/jim-halpert-face-yeah-ok-then-sure-gif-14215039757555920220

[spiral grove]

?

[snow frigate]

I've heard that spellbook is good for tank+mage parties, is that the 2H spellbook, or what item should I be looking for?

[torn imp]

Yeah it's the 2h ranged. Energy is phys, for tank. Regular is magic for mage. It has decently high stats although I'm not sure mages want it over certain wand/focus combos. Tanks like it for aoe ranged autos

[snow frigate]

yeah, I have a phys 2H book that has a high roll on it (I forget the name), wasn't sure if there was like a 1h or some other option since I'm just a meathead tank 😄

[barren forum]

So I'm assuming these ppl think that the chilled procs by spell book help mages but actually in reverse it messes up their rotation. Also you lose out on the 20% side trees that shortbow/longbow give so it's not really better for tank. Of course we don't have journeyman arcane engineering so that could change things

[snow frigate]

I haven't seen chilled proc in groups, but I'll def keep that in mind. I like that the book is a medium attack speed between shortbow/longbow, but I really need to focus on getting the right sets of things and where I'm investing the xp gain

thanks for the help! appreciate it

[barren forum]

Shortbow's snared is great for small scale pve, longbow once you max it and build it right hits 1k finishers, book imo is not that great right now

[snow frigate]

I love shortbow, yes. I'm excited to thoroughly trash my build when we get daggers so I can run a 'fast' tank *while solo

[umbral shale]

Longbow is the way imo for PvP, the extra damage lets you do the only real useful thing you can do as a tank and "maybe" burst someone down with gauranteed crits and high damage.

[umbral seal]

longbow is also the best way to get corrupted 🙂

[umbral shale]

if our abilities worked reliably, and well we didnt fold over in 1.5seconds to a mage or bard.. i'd say there is other useful stuff to do

[umbral shale]

don't force flag and you'll never corrupt!

[barren forum]

I agree except duels

[umbral shale]

even duels tbh, the higher damage you can win a duel in a single combo

im only at like 410 power but my pulverize crits for ~1400.. i know people with closer to 500 that just delete people

[barren forum]

Yes and no, the dmg is great but the snare with lack of dealing with debuffs can be crippling

[spiral grove]

Tank buffs in patchnotes?

[high matrix]

They are fixing mend first

[spiral grove]

Aryielle how are you here every single time

Stalking me or what

[high matrix]

Mend is just more important

[torn imp]

Concur with Aryielle

[lime canyon]

Was thinking that since Mage has zero self sustain…it should have a passive in the class tree that allows potions to heal bigger. Would make sense and give health potions some needed demand

[candid briar]

did they remove the ~50% of your HP-Bar-Shield that scales with your damage?

[south lava]

Hello. I'm new. How are tanks in the game?

[bitter grotto]

nerfed

maybe a skilled tank may be able to get a better insight

[languid raptor]

pve or pvp?

[elder swift]

And here I was thinking it should be team-play and Clerics for heals.

[south lava]

Either or. Just a general feel. I usually play tank.

[languid raptor]

pvp you are a glass cannon like everyone else bot youare melee and therefore at a disadvantage, your only gimmick is bursting down someone everytime you have your full combo

pve is not bad in term of stats but is boring af and thet new changes regarding grit are awful, you are basically an aggro battery

if you like to feel tanky like i do then the class does not deliver in the slightest

[south lava]

Oh that's disappointing :/ Think that's cause they're still feeling out the classes and mechanics?

[languid raptor]

it was one of the first classes made or the first one atcually, so the skills are just not on par with things like bard or even fighter, not to mention rogue

im guessing they will do a major rework to the class since almost every skills is either bugged or useless

[south lava]

Can other classes like the fighter Tank or is it really just some of the tanks are biting the bullet for pve?

[languid raptor]

the only class with reliable aggro generation is the tank

you could maybe tank with a fighter or cleric in not ver yrisky situations but in effective exp or gear farm you need a tank

[south lava]

Fair enough. I have zero expections at the momment I haven't really played. So I may roll tank and hope some changes come in soon.

[languid raptor]

so ye, most of us playing tank are doing it for the guild or just like suffering

[south lava]

Beautiful lol. I still gotta find a guild to play in.

https://tenor.com/view/despair-suffer-suffering-sad-sad-quotes-gif-14270258133567956444

[royal token]

https://tenor.com/view/sad-crying-cry-desperate-hiding-face-gif-15540421

[clear lynx]

Tank has the highest threat generation cap.

But other classes like Fighter can tank.
And tanks can be fighters.

[south lava]

I appreciate all the info ya'll providing. : ) thank you!

[clear lynx]

Pvp tank = dead
Pve tank feels mild... there is no reason I should be getting 1-shot by rock golem at same level as me.

[clear lynx]

Lol, you are going to want to make friends.
I am in the Elf Only guild, but there are good communities out there you can find in #na-oce-guild-recruitment

[south lava]

@clear lynx Do I just poke in there and put like a "Looking for guild" Or more llike see who is recuriting?

[clear lynx]

See who is recruiting is a better option.
Most people will not find you. But you might make friends in the game and develop your own guild if you don't like anything.

Most people are trying to be caravan and pirate oriented.
Other players care about mayorship and social relations.
Some players are doing roleplaying.

[lime canyon]

No argument against team play. But health potions barely heal for much at all and I thought it would be nice to give people an actual reason to make them

I also sit there and watch a cleric do everything solo and get jealous lol

[barren forum]

Its just fighter sustain is soooo good, and having aoe skills, they die instantly but so does tank in group content, tanks best skills are self buffs, ground pound & counter

[clear lynx]

I did a test.
I used protect on the fighter while we were in combat.
And because of blood fusion, they do not die. But my HP continues to deplete. So my fighter can kill me if they take too much damage.

[barren forum]

interesting idea of combat, protect to send fighters in for aoe, still think they die though

[clear lynx]

It was just a test

[barren forum]

wish tomahawk did like snare or something

[clear lynx]

Rogue skill will force them to not rotate. Then tomahawk can be used in PvE, but not looking good in PvP

[barren forum]

yeah tank is missing some sauce in pvp, all our aoe choices are hard to hit in pvp compared to the single target chases

except ground pound, ground pound is good

[ocean sinew]

Tank needs passive MR mitigation because they die just as fast in pvp as fighters do.

[high matrix]

Just remember. That cleric has skills that are not working. If they can do it you can too!

[lime canyon]

i have no shot at solo farming a mob of 3/4 at a time in SB farming massive glint by myself..........and I was on Alchemy in Lyneth which didn't go to JM and made me sad....

[median egret]

@spiral grove tank buffs so big they bricked the servers

[spiral grove]

Niceeeeee

[cunning bane]

So I have not started yet, but can you put like, multiple skill points into skills? Making it kind of like your own kind of build

or do you just unlock skills in a non linear path?

[spiral grove]

There's passives atm that you can put a secondary point into but it only "enhances" your skill atm. Nothing of the real augmenting system that's meant to be coming etc

[ripe spade]

does anyone know what effects prog with what archetypes? is it somewhere written down?

[ripe spade]

<@&519722995778977812> help me up here 🔝

[sinful bluff]

rangers gotta be the most neglected class right now 😛 no meaningful changes to skills since phase 1, and all desert gear has been mage with a couple tank pieces 😛 no ranger love man 😛 lol

[glad cloak]

That must be tank bait

Ranger not good like 70% of the game but at least in the end you do ok numbers

[candid briar]

yea its stated ingame

[granite saddle]

You have the best ZvZ skill in the game

Keep it down

[crystal brook]

IKR -- not to mention Camo is a wasted skill point -- totally useless

[sinful bluff]

well camo is free :p

[crystal brook]

oh - right - still its a wasted skill imo...

[sinful bluff]

it does allow u to first hit every fight though typicaly since thye need to get within 20m to target u :p

even thugh they can see u they cant target to attack

not like it matter when mages kill u in 1-2 instant cast skill and u take like 3-5 instant or quick cast haha

[coarse scroll]

Well, glad for you i guess? 🤨

[pliant ridge]

https://tenor.com/view/ok-okay-umm-awkward-situation-huh-gif-5850917

[lunar obsidian]

i am going to roll a new class and was wondering what is better for solo pve, fighter or clreic?

[paper harness]

tanks are not bad, except the delays of regen without a cleric lol. Haven't tried a fighter yet

[tulip grotto]

you were already told it's still weeks away by several people including intrepid employees, if you choose not to listen that is on you.

[junior egret]

Has to be fighter, you have self sustain and will kill faster.

[granite saddle]

FIghter

[weak lion]

I like Shortbow with Longsword/Shield or focus offhand. If you can maintain Momentum , the Fluidity regen is significant. I suggest in this order : Blitz, Lethal Blow, Consuming Lethal Blow, Raging Blitz, and at level 6 get Regenerative Form of Fluidity. Don't bother with Brutal Cleave since Overpower has some cleave built in and it cannot whif, rather it just won't fire if out of range. At level 10 , Form of Celerity lets your Overpower proc Stagger so you can trip with Wallop and follow up with Maim.

[spiral grove]

Tank buffs when?

[proper hearth]

[languid raptor]

https://tenor.com/view/when-gif-10953630

[spiral grove]

Right?

[flat shuttle]

Tank doesn't need buffs.
Mitigation needs buffs.

[dire coral]

Mitigation not needed just dont get hit.

[flat shuttle]

You right. Perma dodge roll.

[dire coral]

Exactly just dont be where the attack will be simple

[tulip grotto]

[glad cloak]

Tanks -> sonic roleplayers in zvz

[torn imp]

tank changes so bad you literally cant find one for leveling anymore. please fix

[barren forum]

Damage needs nerfed, 6k-7k hp and 50% mitigation but some ppl can nuke mobs 20k so no way the numbers work

[barren forum]

Yes the best counter for the quick moves is always homing damage

[dire coral]

Heat seeking? Dodge past a mage

[uncut torrent]

tanks don't feel like tanks even when we could get 96% mitigation through a bug they were still tissue paper and didn't feel tanky

if tanks want to PvP they need pretty much a totally different set of gear focusing strength and physical power but the pve skills scale on con and hp

so I second Izzy, fix tanks when, when can we start playing again, tanks aren't fun in their current state really, especially for people who want an actual tanky archetype

[sinful bluff]

just spec dmg and throw hatchets for 2.8k non crits like on tank on my server does

[languid raptor]

the tomahawk doesnt do 2.8k dmg, its 100% of your physical power + 50% if hit on back, with a 600 power tank thats 900 dmg, not even counting mitigation, i hit for 700 and im high 400phy. You would need around 1900 physical power(not rating), to hit for 2.8k, something no tank can reach.

[sinful bluff]

well something off with the caculations somewhere cause they have been hitting that hard

[spiral grove]

Full 20 gear?

[sinful bluff]

no clue he had a 2hder btw too not a 1h shield

had an axe in my back didnt think to ask what gear he had 😛

[languid raptor]

how much you hit for @spiral grove ?

aint no way a tank by himself without buffs hits a 2.8k tomahawk

[spiral grove]

Dunno

Def not 2.8k 😂

[coarse heath]

maybe just a crit

[granite saddle]

I’ve seen some 1700 to 2000 ones

[sinful bluff]

maybe he used one of the 15 second physical bonus potion u get from treasuremap

[livid epoch]

Is there a archtype similar to a disc priest in wow. Where you shield targets then they get heald based on damage you do to the enemy?

[daring sentinel]

nope, playstyle variety on archetype level is not existent

cleric is also one of the most boring healer designs I have seen

To not sound totally negative...we are apparently missing a lot of active and passive skills in every archetype, and ability to empower selected skills by spending more talent points in them. So...it is possible the base archetypes, especially those which feel pretty one dimensional atm, might gain some playstyle variety in "near" future 🤷🏻‍♂️ I will believe it when I see it

[raven sequoia]

Are there any Tank skills that function like Mage Blink?

In terms of movement only.

[glad cloak]

They got a zoom charge and a hook. Zoom charge is nice for catching birds 100ft in the air

[sinful bluff]

atm no when secondary become a thing most likely if they take mage secondary

[severe pelican]

Is the tank class ever getting a name?

[rigid mortar]

Steven won’t change it out of pride even after he said he would if a majority voted for it on Reddit

[spiral grove]

Tank buffs maybe soon?

[languid raptor]

https://tenor.com/view/when-gif-10953630

[versed tulip]

Thoughts on attack speed vs magic power for clerics?

[torn imp]

What would attack speed gain us?

[versed tulip]

Actually meant casting speed -.-

[torn imp]

Still not sure what it gains :p we have an instant complete cast button...

[versed tulip]

No inifite divine power though 😉

And most heals feel like they overheal atm with high enough MP

[glad cloak]

Right now power is king, idk what it is for spell casters though but I assume the same. You guys have ignoring spell casting speed as a built in mechanic

[torn imp]

I like to kill things though so I don't really care about healing. It's all about the crit judgements

[midnight dock]

i just saw the post about rogue arch type? any one have an expected release date or show case date?

[naive hearth]

next christmas

[marsh coral]

Rogue is planned for end of March

[midnight dock]

Thank you

[mint tusk]

how does the evasion stat actually corelate to evasion percent chance? is it a 1 to 1 evasion rating to percent evasion chance or is it some other scaling?

[uncut torrent]

tank buffs when?

[spiral grove]

😂😂😂

Yo

I was about to come in here and say that

[high matrix]

Everyone knows it's after they fix mend

[tiny yarrow]

They have a charge ability that goes a long distance, think longer than blink, but its not instantaneous, but it is free cast.
They also have a leap and maybe another, but those require enemy targets to cast against.

[tiny yarrow]

magic power 100%, especially at low levels. Level 50 player may be different but 25 and below definitely go for power.

[little lark]

When do you guys think they'll add rogue class info to the website?

[barren forum]

It's their you just haven't popped it's stealth yet.

[quick path]

they havent learnt what wiki can do yet

[random blaze]

Can someone give advice on amor for a cleric? Mostly solo but some pure group heals. I see some with heavy armor but don't see any with int. or Wis. (which is better?). I thought medium armor but many are saying otherwise. Thanks.

[balmy barn]

I use ligth, but have been thinking about that myself. Ashescodex suggests (for levling) light armor with intelligence. But I have read that some clerics take 3 pieces heavy for more HP and protection. https://ashescodex.com/builds/cleric-in-ashes-of-creation

[granite saddle]

Please, for everything that is holy buff fighter leap so that it trips

Or make cataclysm an instant cast at least

We have a 0 ZVZ viability currently

[upbeat plover]

whether you do much pvp could influence how glass-y you want to be, im curious when this guide was updated because some of that recommended gear is just not the best, but maybe im missing something or they only considered common rarity cod some reason

[blazing bobcat]

It says "beginners guide" + it is for PvE not PvP 😉

[rain leaf]

for gear it depends on if your playing solo, or ina group consistantly. if your solo, that extra armor really helps. if your in a group you want to max magical power over bassically all else. more Mag Pow = more healz = more better clericing. in pve if a cleric is getting hit something went terribly wrong.

[umbral shale]

this wouldnt fix any of the issues with fighter in ZvZ. problem is survivability since everyone just kinda explodes everyone else, especially mages blowing up people.

[green charm]

melee moment

[stray blade]

Any mage pro's? Looking for advice for what ranged weapon I should go for? Bow, wand or book?

[umbral seal]

If you're a harry potter fan, wands... if you want a little boost in end result dmg numbers.. long bow.

wants with a focus makes your mage cast abit faster, long bow is abit slower. take your pick.

https://tenor.com/view/abell46s-voldemor-harry-potter-magia-bruja-gif-18516116

[stray blade]

Want more magic power

[umbral seal]

then it's long bow.

[stray blade]

Thanks bud

[gritty orbit]

Long Spellbow, get any gear with Int on it, then enchant it to +8

Congrats you have a poor mans pseudo-BIS

Hit ~450+ power and you're pretty much as high as you need to be for most stuff

[unique mauve]

I see you make bows at the carp bench do you need level that up to make the better bows?

[gritty orbit]

Yes

Apprentice is for level 10 bows, Journeyman is for level 20

You need the corresponding level of station to use that level or lower

So Apprentice can make Apprentice, Journeyman can make Journeyman and also Apprentice

The artisan skills increase at level 10/20/30/40/50 of the respective skill

Crafting quality also matters, and is gained through artisan gear, basic gear can be purchased from the appropriate station vendors for now

Better artisan gear can be crafted

[unique mauve]

what would you say is the best way to level the Carpentry bench, i want to be able to make bows but it seems really expensive

[gritty orbit]

Eventually on release the vendors will go away

[unique mauve]

almost seems like it better to just buy gear, unless theres a good spot to farm for ranger gear i guess

[gritty orbit]

What server are you on

[unique mauve]

Lyenth

[gritty orbit]

The JM Carpentry bench is in Winstead then

There are two woodworking places there

The one to the north is Lumbermilling, the one on the hill to the south is Carpentry

The Lumberjacking stuff is down in Azmaran

[unique mauve]

hmm ok ok

[gritty orbit]

To level Carpentry for your skill, basically just

Go get 3x Lumberjack bags at the highest level you can wear

Fill them with Ash/Oak wood you cut down

Pick one type and stick to it

Save any that's rare or better and process them in batches of 250

Stock up a ton of timber in Halcyon

Fill your bags with timber, then go over to Halcyon when the Bandit Pacification buff is up, become a citizen of Halcyon which requires you to not be a citizen anywhere else and you need to be level 10

Make sure you have acquired a scroll of carpentry XP from the carpentry vendor and have at least novice carpentry clothes, upgrade the clothes/scroll once you hit 10

Then just craft crates with your timber

Several hundred crates later and over 1500 timber and you will have 20 Carpentry

[unique mauve]

ok ok so i kinda had it right thats what ive been doing but ive been crafting carvans and selling them back to vendor

i didnt know about the extra stuff tho

[gritty orbit]

Caravans are useful in that they won't cost you anything since they sell for a fair bit

[unique mauve]

is there a crapentry vendor in every town that i can get the lumberjacking stuff from?

[gritty orbit]

Crates are FAR faster to level though

Nope

Winstead or Azmaran

[unique mauve]

alrighty

[gritty orbit]

I recommend WInstead to get the stuff and then Halcyon to level

[unique mauve]

ty you man much appreciated

[gritty orbit]

The reason is because Halcyon has Bandit buff up near 100% of the time

Plus it has a School of Construction which doubles your crafting XP

Which means you need a TON less mats

[unique mauve]

alrighty ty ty

[versed tulip]

Is there another break point at 50? cause it should be 0 - novice, 10 - apprentice, 20 - journeyman, 30 - master, 40 - grandmaster. So will there be there any benefit from 40->50 or am I missing something?

[verbal osprey]

You aren’t missing something, but we all are missing a lot.

They plan to iterate on the current system heavily. Steven talked about making artisan stuff more interactive in a recent interview.

We don’t have a lot of recent data on the plans for the artisan systems.

[timber oasis]

Anyone know a good place to find info on lvl 10 bis ? dont want to waste gold on weaker gear so i can start +ing my gear

[pliant vector]

If I can add more to what the other Gentlemen said. It's whatever you have that gives you the most Magical Power. Each of those weapons act different in how they work, as well as the Bow having a different Skill tree and it's missing the Elemental finishers. Book does AoE dmg, Wand attacks faster, meaning more Elemental finisher procs. Bow also can shoot from an extra 5m range.

In a perfect world with even Magical Power amongst, a Wand/Focus is better. The only problem is it's insanely easier to get a Legendary Long Spellbow crafted right now over trying to get pattern/Mats for Wand/Focus or for the BiS book. Thus we're stuck using the Bow.

[pliant vector]

What class are you? I have Mage/Cleric/Bard ones if you need.

[timber oasis]

Mage mate

[pliant vector]

Got you

one sec

[timber oasis]

❤️

[pliant vector]

I literally just wrote this. Perfect timing

[stray blade]

Thanks Crix, I am just about to craft the Nordhorn focus and Rividium wand, both in legendary

[pliant vector]

Did you need 20 Legeneday Braid?

[stray blade]

Nope thankfully

[pliant vector]

Another reason Bow is BiS right now is the cost is cheaper

ohh okay good

[stray blade]

8 legendary iron, 12 legendary rividium, 2x leg magic powder

maybe a few other bits.

[pliant vector]

This is what I used. There's obviously many other options, so feel free to use cheaper stuff or whatever your budget is,. This is build with the intention to aim for Intellect on every piece and then enchanting it once you get it.

https://ashescodex.com/planner/share/4c6e8e44-37b5-4dd9-8a9a-136bef4a45f3

[timber oasis]

my man ❤️

210 unbuffed, we slowly getting there ! tyvm all

[stray blade]

Ahh nice, no idea where that focus comes from.

This is my current build

https://ashescodex.com/planner/share/681ebade-7e83-4010-87c0-f75ccb0a23a7

With the wand and focus about to be made

[pliant vector]

Journeyman - work in progress because these boots aren't in the game yet, and raven earings are 1 Int or so better, just waiting for the site to push the update through

https://ashescodex.com/planner/share/0e2dae4b-4c9b-4a1a-9c43-603c34c02441

[stray blade]

I'm about to upgrade my gear to higher rarity

Struggling to find 2 more heroic spider silks though, so thinking of making some epic arcane mind gloves. Thoughts on that?

[pliant vector]

I also just wrote this for Icy Veins if you want more Mage stuff while we're on the topic. Much more in depth. These are subject to change as the game updates and we find out more stuff.

• Mage BiS, Gearing Guide and Stat Priority - https://www.icy-veins.com/ashes-of-creation/mage-best-in-slot-and-stat-priority
• Mage Leveling Guide - https://www.icy-veins.com/ashes-of-creation/mage-leveling-guide
• Mage PvE Guide - https://www.icy-veins.com/ashes-of-creation/pve-mage-guide
• Mage PvP Guide - https://www.icy-veins.com/ashes-of-creation/pvp-mage-guide

[stray blade]

Ahh nice one, been watching your mage stuff on Youtube. Much like I did for your Warlock stuff for WOW classic 🙂 Appeciate it

[pliant vector]

Thank you! I've got a slate of videos I'm gonna post, just waiting to get a little closer to Phase 3

[pliant vector]

Ohh so waiting on Summoner as well huh? I cannot wait

[stray blade]

Honestly more interested in rogue 😄

[pliant vector]

yeah that'll be fun too!

[stray blade]

Will see though, as I do love the mage.

[pliant vector]

yeah they did a good job with Mage so far.

Altho I'd like my Interrupt back

[pliant vector]

https://www.reddit.com/r/AshesofCreation/comments/1j6qm6a/icy_veins_expands_to_ashes_of_creation_check_out/

[sacred thorn]

whoever designed ranger, why you hate ranger?

[agile saddle]

because they couldnt figure out how to make a balanced range class without crippling it or vastly over powering it

[proper hearth]

look at mage

range class

and overloaded af

[gritty orbit]

It's just old

Compare Ranger to Mage, Fighter, Rogue, and Bard

All of them are far more mechanically complex archetypes

Ranger was the oldest one

It'll get a revamp

[sacred thorn]

When?

[gritty orbit]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[sacred thorn]

I get bullied by my peers and any other class in the server 😢

[gritty orbit]

When it does

[barren forum]

its still a top 3 in z v z but thats about it

[sacred thorn]

not much competition when mages just tele forward with shield throwing aoes.

vines are great just dont work vs mages, if you cant stop a mages you should open your arms wide open and receive.

https://tenor.com/view/creed-arms-gif-12367422

[gritty orbit]

If camouflage actually worked consistently, Ranger would have a better role in PVP

[sinful bluff]

mmmm shortbow crit chance is busted 😛

i think it applying the magic crit chance % not the physial crit chance %

[proper hearth]

its not though

cleric and mage were boefore ranger

[gritty orbit]

Damn

Maybe he really does hate Rangers

[proper hearth]

would it though

[gritty orbit]

Given how dumb and blind people have been, honestly yes

Jumping someone with 400+ power in the backline works pretty good especially when you can twoshot people

[proper hearth]

you can land vines without camo, and outside vines mage is just better, camo or not

camo can be useful for open world

caravan fights

or obecjtve based conflict

to catch smaller moving groups

[proper hearth]

wait for TTK nerfs

[sinful bluff]

cleric and mages had a rework though ranger been untouched

[proper hearth]

mage has adjustment

not really a rework

same with cleric

[sinful bluff]

well they been looked at

and changed

[proper hearth]

it was not even big adjustment though

the main kit is the same

[sinful bluff]

ranger have had 1 buff to regeneration which did basicly nothing :p

every class but ranger atm have been changed somewhat considerably to a degree with balances rangers havant been touched yet.

Ranger tbh lack class idenity which is the main issue with them there like a crappier version of mages right now only thing they realy have going for is the root

[proper hearth]

mage and cleric adjustment didnt change anything in the sense that if they didnt get a change, ranger would still be in the same spot

but yeah

the classes need some work

[sinful bluff]

i think ranger should focus on single target logner range dmg and mages get more aoe orinated dmg

so both range dps is fundemental different

ranger need a range bonus in some way or form cause it kinda feels bad that ur CC is a root but if u can hit them in the root they can hit u back with range anyway :p

[proper hearth]

obviously

[iron ermine]

mage is broken af, both in terms of single target and aoe. Most useless class is fighter, least dmg and yes, they have excelent sustain, but that is useless as no fight last long enough for it to matter.

[sinful bluff]

fighters are excelent and small scale things tbh anything above 8v8 fighters drop off.

mages need 2 better at AOE tbh and ranger need to be more focused on single target atm mages just engulf rangers which lack a class identity atm i think they need a 10m range buff and less focus on aoe dmg. Atm mages and ranger feel very samsies in their role but mages just do it better in everyway with the exception of ranger root in large scale is pretty strong

[umbral seal]

Your new mission should you choose to accept it: Evaluate a geared af bard in pvp.

[sacred thorn]

How you trait longbow? 🤔

[hoary cargo]

thoughts on fighter as a new player? I want to be competitive in pvp but I read that they kinda suck

[gritty orbit]

This is an alpha

Everything is in an early state and the best way to see things changed is to test them yourself and submit detailed feedback and bug reports

Fighter is fine as a class and anyone saying they suck is talking about white-room theorycrafting

[umbral seal]

Has a bigger healthpool than ranger and mage. Can be good in 1v1s and 1v2s IF you arn't incompetent, get the jump(opener), have the gear to 1-3 shot people. Not that great in raid v raid pvp atm though, ranger and mage kills shit before fighters can do anything significant really.

Can do pretty big group aoe pulls when solo grinding thanks to decent aoe and life leech but still doesn't come close to what a bard can do. Can solo alot of elites in the world. Can become a hero and tank if the actual tank turns out to be dogshit in your dungeon group.

Who knows maybe a patch will make fighters op af one day. 😬

[dry torrent]

think the main critisism I see about fighter is its lack of mobility in pvp situations, at least in relation to mages/rangers ability to deal damage at range

[brave cosmos]

They have some nice gap-closing options, but yea while on cool down getting smacked by a ranger or mage from distance just feels bad

[ruby pebble]

so from decent pvpers, for tank

what is your stat priotiy? im getting mixed information

i hear some people say str>dex>con

and then i hear people say full plate full con and mentality.

[gritty orbit]

Dead enemies don't deal damage, full Str

[snow frigate]

Is there a way to see the different stats affecting my weapons? IE, total finisher crit damage, crit chance %, etc?

[barren forum]

str and dex make for crazy stats, 35% crit chance with 500 power means ppl die mid 1shot combo

right now theres no need for con sadly, tanks in general lose most attrition fights cause the healing with nerfs doesnt keep up and ttk is so low that 10k effective hp means not alot of difference from 5k with aoes

[glad cloak]

Yes if you have it out character sheet updates

[maiden hearth]

Bards, how do you solve the problem of your buff bar being so full that you can’t see your own resonance stacks?

(3 theme, theme buff assuming you only use 1, song assuming you don’t use multi song, resonance, food, scroll is already 8, pep, glee, shield, and then 11, node buffs, cleric buffs, strider etc. pushes you waaaay over the limit)

[torn imp]

the ring around your class frame?

[maiden hearth]

I’m talking about resonance stacks? Does that show as a ring around your class frame?

I don’t think it does. It’s just a buff with numbers on it, no?

Or am I just bad

[torn imp]

i'm a better bard than you 😄

[maiden hearth]

I’ve been overtaken

I believe in you Verium, continue being a role model for all bards out there

[agile saddle]

Just buff with numbers
Unless it’s been changed recently

The rings around you is just active melody

You can bug it out and have multiple rings around you by mounting up while a melody is active, and can dismount change melody, remount and get another permanent ring
It seems to be only seen by you, unless someone was with you when you did it, and you don’t go thru a server border

[torn imp]

This purple ring is how many stacks you have. @maiden hearth

[agile saddle]

Ahh they changed it, cool, 2 less buffs on a buff bar that always ends up with a +8 buffs hidden

[torn imp]

Yeah it's gets to be way too many and important stuff gets lost so fast

[agile saddle]

I hope they remove the useless buffs from that buff bar

There is so many that don’t actually matter in combat

They should have a second buff bar for pve buffs that we can toggle off

[maiden hearth]

Did not know that

[heady fossil]

https://youtube.com/shorts/t-q9Sf_CfDA?si=9QA3t6iVWby5WZVm how it feels like to play bard vs other classes in aoc 😂
Also don't forget bard is not op or broken, your class is just bad and needs some buff lol

[umbral seal]

Bards out there killing people in just a few seconds with auto attacks from wands post nerf. 😎

[heady fossil]

thats gear issues XD

[umbral seal]

you're mostly right. a weapons issue because geared clerics are killing people in just a few seconds with shortbow auto attacks... but bro, you can't say bards arn't broken when you guys have mobility that's faster than mounts.

[heady fossil]

no faster than 175% mounts and u need to spec into it to be that fast its not like bard just has it all the time

[glad cloak]

Rangers and mages do not have a class resource

I could see ranger’s being like ammo type fuel or mark fuel in the future

I do like having my mount next to me for repositioning around in pvp

[agile saddle]

That requires 6 skills and 4 passives to maintain that speed

Need all 4 dances, joy saga, and epic melody
Plus dance mastery, melody mastery, pep passive, and give pep with jest passive

[umbral seal]

You guys think whatever and enjoy it however long it might last.

[agile saddle]

And 175 speed mount will catch up and go past you after about 20 seconds

Don’t get me wrong it’s op as hell
But requires investing a bunch of skill points

[umbral seal]

OK. im not engaging in this because there's nothing much else needed to be said about it other than it's like you just said. OP and then some regardless of this or that. It could be labelled as clown shit.

One of the youtubers said rogue is gonna be faster.. what clown fest is this becoming?

[random blaze]

That is a lot to give up to run fast. Of course I will love it on my crafter/gather 🙂

[barren forum]

Bards ultimate gatherer with low gravity

[thin ingot]

any clerics found the healing power rating on items, disappointing to say the least?

[barren forum]

Any tanks try out health regen and realize it's out of combat regen and in combat regen is scaled down 5 times

[spiral grove]

Tank changes confirmed yet or nah?

[spiral grove]

wut face

[upper star]

Intrepid, can we talk about how useless Melee and Fighters are in Group Play? @mighty nimbus

[gentle void]

just wait for @rigid mortar to be lead combat designer

[spiral grove]

🤔

He hired already?

[barren forum]

I got some hp regen items that suck in combat, the things you learn

[quick path]

@heady fossil i was able to hit a momentary 180% movment on my bard. That was between buffs from melody. Flourish, pep, and doubler if you rotate right you can speed run pretty much indefinitely true speed comes from being able to traverse land and obstacles faster then mounts

[gentle void]

Did u see his vid?

[spiral grove]

I was

[mossy jungle]

wait was that legit i thought it was a troll

[modern aspen]

He commented on the video that him and Steven couldn't agree on a tank change, so he didn't get the job.

[proper hearth]

tbf that applies to any class vs mage

not just fighter

[upper star]

Sure, but at least, Clerics, Bards, Rangers and Tanks have some group utility, Heals, Shields, Cleanses, Speed Buff, Roots, Chains, Walls etc. Fighter brings no utility to the group and in a min max comp theres no place for them.

[barren forum]

fighters shout could be more team utility later, right now its just +30% group disability evasion

[upper star]

Yea but you have to use it reactively after youve been CC'd so it's not that great of a group buff

I've mained fighter Phase 1-2 enough to see that without some serious changes Im doing my team a disservice by not swapping to mage (Or any other class). Fighter and the TTk have to be drastically adjusted before it becomes worth slotting fighter in GvG comps. Dont get me wrong it's a fun class and can be good in small groups and 1v1's but in large scale anyone playing fighter is just trolling. Sucks but there it is.

[barren forum]

i agree but also i feel like one of fighters biggest weaknesses is that they have to start any combat with no class resource, tank can always start any fight with full resource for a lockdown slam spam but fighters identity skills with berserk cd resets or consumption skills have to somehow build it when you die at any moment

[torn imp]

Watching fighters in 1v1 is beautiful, the big sword slams feel so impactful. In gvg it just jumps in and melts xD

[barren forum]

prismatic beam by 2-3 mages and watch the fighters disappear

[upper star]

Fighters big dmg comes from building momentum and casting Berserk which in PvE is extremely easy to build but in PvP is extremely hard to build that plus the fact that our group trips and snare take too much setup to be useful for group play in the current TTK gives us the bottom slot, were just melee role players living in a ranged meta world.

[real talon]

Yep, hella sad when I realized healing power is only half of rating

[maiden hearth]

I’m hoping they’ll give us an archetype resource bar similar to FFXIV

[exotic raptor]

This is the sad truth. I also main fighter.

[ebon lava]

any idea when rogue release is coming?

[agile saddle]

Last week before phase 3

[barren forum]

yes single target trip is nice and single target incap is nice but the aoe trip is set up staggered into set up that long charge

some ppl have enough dmg to survive for a bit with bloodlust up but theres no way to generate enough momentum in 1 bloodlust

[umbral seal]

It's the same with rangers. They need Arrowstorm i think it's called otherwise they do shit dmg.

Unfortunately there are bigger things to fix than fighters atm. Weapons, TTK and stats need to be looked at. For god sakes, geared clerics and bards are killing people in under 10 seconds with shortbow and wand auto attacks. Does that sound ok to you guys? These are SUPPORT classes with the same or better TTK than actual DPS classes. 😂 (P.S. I main fighter too.)

[upper star]

Yea it is wild, I know there working on it but damn the TTK is insane right now.

[cinder scaffold]

ttk is broken agree

[daring sentinel]

skill issue, that fighter in the video made a mistake, he engaged a bard.

[random blaze]

TTK? for those not in the know...

[gritty orbit]

Time To Kill

[random blaze]

As someone who is uninformed I wonder if gear and weapons are the issue? Mages and clerics wearing heavy armor but there should be significant consequences to the DPS/healing output if doing so. I know there is a reason such as more play style choices and I am OK with that but all choices should have consequences in equal measure.

[elder talon]

The issue is 70% enchanting and 30% a general disparity between offensive and defensive scaling from gear and weapons. Defense scales much better than offense from leveling alone (you get a ton of HP each level) but offense scales absurdly better than defense from gear and enchanting.

Might even be closer to 50-50 honestly. But basically the problem emerged as a result of levels being capped forcing us all to overdo progression in the form of enchanting and legendary crafted gear.

[upper star]

This is very true, its hard to Know what the TTK would actually be at lvl 50 with defensive stats and lvl 50 gear.

However it is clear that lvl 10-25 enchanting and defensive stats needs a rework for them to fall in line with the 30-60 second TTK Steven has talked about

[elder talon]

I suspect the same problem would emerge given current balancing. HP seems to scale relatively linearly. We’re probably looking at something like 8-10k hp naked at 50 given current numbers.

The simple answer is for constitution to give HP that scales with level, might not fix the current level 25 problem but I think it’d be helpful generally.

[upper star]

I would tend to agree with that, the enchanting and waterfall stats in general would most likely present the exact same issue

[elder talon]

Something like 1 Con = 10 HP + (0.5*level HP)

It’s generally just a weird feeling that leveling gives you like 1 to all stats and a couple hundred hp

[gritty orbit]

The isssue is basically enchanting scales weird after the P1 to P2 stat squish, and defensive stats need to be adjusted in general

[upper star]

I tried a Strength, Con and Mentality route and I was slightly Tankier but that didn't prevent me from getting 2 shot when abilities are critting for 3-4k. If defensive stats in general had more relevance and Int and Strength had less Pen and Power the TTk would increase dramatically.

[spiral grove]

Any Tank buffs confirmed yet?

[spiral grove]

wait lol fr?

[modern aspen]

My first time seeing any of this guys content was him overracting to the cleric spell "Wings of salvation", A spell literally in every game that has a healer. I figured if he's that clueless to class spells, then I highly doubt he woulda been hired anyways, let alone be validated as a content creator with any credability to his name.

[gritty orbit]

Are people really so stupid that they don't understand what a joke is

[glad cloak]

Jokes are for friends, idk him to tell if he is telling the truth

[agile saddle]

Armour itself doesn’t reduce dps
It’s all about what stats are on the armour

Heavy Armour has more phys defense
Light Armour has more mage defense
That’s the only difference between the 2

Medium armour has equal of both phys and mage def

[barren forum]

Enchanting is a combination of how its +1 on everyhting and lvl 10 gear often gives 2-3 main stats which multiple that +1 x8 into many many stats

[gritty orbit]

It's actually not often at all

Like

You gotta go fairly well out of your way to find multiple mainstats on a singular piece

There's only a few specific pieces that are actually good for it

[clever wyvern]

30-60 second TTK? ridiculous lol

[proper hearth]

i agree

it should be like 1-3m

[languid bronze]

GW2 honestly had great TTK

[clever wyvern]

GW1 was goated

[storm frigate]

How can TTK be balanced at different sized groups? 1vs1, 8vs8, 16vs16 and so on.

[languid bronze]

by practicing canda

jokes aside I don't rightly know but GW 2 didn't have huge problems with massive groups of people clashing so honestly no clue

[torn imp]

Higher defenses, weaker aoe, more group healing are some possibilities

[storm frigate]

they will have different effects at each level of scale having higher defences drops off when 40 ppl are attacking 1 guy

[tulip grotto]

weaker aoe is huge.... you shouldn't be able to drop a group of 4 people with 2 abilities

[storm frigate]

skill diff, dont stack

[tulip grotto]

yes if 4 people bunch up that closely it's kind of on them but still

lol

yes

but still

you can bunch up mobs like that

it's no different pve than pvp

[torn imp]

Hard to not stack 4 people in a 40 man group trying to push something

[languid bronze]

I suppose that's where tactics will come in play

[torn imp]

I'm curious to see just how big of a difference ice beam fix will make

[tulip grotto]

ya if a choke point gets created somehow and there is a mage standing there ready to beam it's lights out for a whole 8 person party

[storm frigate]

flank, im sure at some point it becomes a game of chess.

[tulip grotto]

true but again can't just balance purely around pvp, these things are broken in pve where the mobs are dumb and you can clump as many of them as you can find in one spot and then just delete them all with 1 button

[languid bronze]

mobs in pve can have some pretty wild HP numbers and the model semi-collision seem to make them at least not stack on top of eachother

so I don't think it's a huge issue in the end

[tulip grotto]

go glint farm on a tank for an hour and then go glint farm on a mage for an hour and report back

[languid bronze]

can't you just tell me what I would find from doing that

[tulip grotto]

you would get 10x more glint on the mage

[languid bronze]

alright

sounds like any other mmo then

[tulip grotto]

sadly not wrong

[languid bronze]

if they're balancing that, we'll find out about it

[storm frigate]

at some point even difficult boss mechanics get easy, the hardest content in this game will always be other players

[tulip grotto]

oh ya it's funny if you watch a world first kill vs people farming the same boss 6 months later

it's like wait who turned the difficulty down?

[torn imp]

Blizzard

[tulip grotto]

again sadly not wrong

[languid bronze]

with how the game is designed the dev team can hide some pretty insane bosses or raid bosses. my personal wet dream is a raid boss attacking a village/city and the settlement losing

[torn imp]

Giga nerf Bosses for non rwf guilds lol

[tulip grotto]

ya what does happen if you lose a monster coin event? I forget at this point

[storm frigate]

dunno, it will prob change anyway

[high matrix]

oh its going to be some fun shit when a military node based on pvpers neglect a pve event and it destroys their metro

[high matrix]

think it depended on the event

[languid bronze]

or get rare monster coins to gang up on an unsuspecting pvp homesteads

[high matrix]

you dont get to choose which event the monster coin even goes into per say. it just says an event will occur then yes/no to join lol

[languid bronze]

I'm sure we'll know more how it can work in practice when it's fleshed out

[umbral seal]

I fix this for you

go glint farm on a tank for an hour and then go glint farm on a BARD for an hour and report back

Bard can pull 50 level 30 elite shardlings at a time with no chance to die.

nobody else can do this

[tulip grotto]

that is true bard is even more op

[quick path]

To be far at 18/19sl8ghtly enchanted shardlings got sketchy for me after 3 xD

[tulip grotto]

and mage isn't even op really its just aoe damage is OP

[quick path]

Mage id just took them into oblivion with kiting lol

[spiral grove]

Tank buffed yet?

[high matrix]

Ask mend

[green charm]

nerfed even

[tulip grotto]

Tank will never be buffed

Steven hates tanks confirmed

[proper hearth]

https://tenor.com/view/jim-halpert-face-yeah-ok-then-sure-gif-14215039757555920220

[spiral grove]

Watch it buddy

[spiral grove]

stg if he doesn't buff us asap.

guaranteed tanks will drop even harder.

the second rogue comes out

[tulip grotto]

Izzy please!

[proper hearth]

just wait for ttk adjustment

and grapple bugfix

[spiral grove]

Yeah

[proper hearth]

[spiral grove]

Lets wait another 3 months for an adjustment that was said to come "in a few weeks"

[proper hearth]

intrepid studios

[spiral grove]

1st time he mentioned it has been what? month and a half ago now

not a slightest update or anything

[proper hearth]

[spiral grove]

Meanwhile grapple has never been addressed either but instead we just keep on visually updating useless skills

[hollow cave]

https://tenor.com/view/hang-first-time-smiles-gif-14991372

[spiral grove]

I want to play tank cuz I think there's a spot for it but they're making it really hard. icl

[proper hearth]

you think tank is only archetype that has broken spells?

[spiral grove]

Feels like it

[proper hearth]

wondering when scattershot and camo will be fixed

[hollow cave]

True bard saga doesn't deal enough dmg fix asap

[tulip grotto]

[spiral grove]

At least other archetypes get their shit addressed cuz there's that many ppl playing them

[tulip grotto]

Tank will be good

[spiral grove]

Meanwhile tank players keep dwindling in numbers

[proper hearth]

camo is broken since start of a2

same with tank grapple

and scattershot charging

ranger is only class without any defences

and very poor mobility

that also bugs sometimes

and yeet you in wrong direction

[tulip grotto]

Tank flag plant shield thing (official new name) is also still broken....it doesn't go off on certain terrains

[spiral grove]

😂

[proper hearth]

ranger was supposed to be 2nd most mobile class, and its 2/3rd least mobile only cleric is less mobile and maybe tank, but tank dash is like 3 times longer than ranger and they both have just one

so idk

ranger dash is not only slow and short, you are also stuck in the animation while you are getting shot at

because you dont even have evasion buff during it

airstrike is not really mobility because its slower than just running

cuz its very slow

[mossy jungle]

your thinking ranger mobility on a horizontal their vertical mobility is huge

[proper hearth]

and long start up time

[spiral grove]

Well can't have each and every archetype be giga mobile can we

[proper hearth]

huge = one spell with over 30s cd when ashes has barely any spaces where vertical mobility gives you anything

and bard still has gravity removal which is better

[mossy jungle]

well bard is top tier mobility

[proper hearth]

i think stuff like that is caused becuase different ppl designed different archetypes

[umbral seal]

top tier or broken tier 😂

[mossy jungle]

30s cd but if your using it for evasion purposes you get 2 you can control it directionally and it snares

[proper hearth]

?

wdym

[tulip grotto]

Bard is also has top tier damage and top tier coolness........pretty sure bard just wins

[proper hearth]

using it for evasion purposes

[tulip grotto]

Going bard p3!

[mossy jungle]

you get 2 uses if you hit the target with it

[tulip grotto]

Surest way to make sure it gets nerfed

[proper hearth]

not with airstrike

its on disengage

so you have to be on melee range to get this

it never happens in combat

[mossy jungle]

im not understanding are you always wanting to never have enemies touch you?

[proper hearth]

?

[proper hearth]

how did we went from this

[proper hearth]

to this?

[tulip grotto]

I mean no shot you are comparing tank mobility to ranger mobility.....it's not even remotely close

[proper hearth]

there are arguemnts for both sides, thats why i said ranger is 2/3rd least mobile

[tulip grotto]

We have 1 ability that makes your character move....ranger has what 5-6?

[proper hearth]

cuz the point was not to argue if ranger or if tank is most mobile

[proper hearth]

?

list them then

[tulip grotto]

The backflipy one the air strike thing the dash and the other jumping thing

Maybe 4 then

[proper hearth]

i feel like you listed one ability 3 times

[spiral grove]

airstrike, disengage, double roll and that's it ig

tank has charge, double roll

[proper hearth]

yeah, but everyone has double roll

[tulip grotto]

I don't even know tank ability names and I'm a tank

[spiral grove]

mage has double blink, double roll(?)

or single blink

It's just wind up time for some of the rangers ability

[proper hearth]

and airstrike is slower than just walking, every ranger will tell you that airstrike is not mobility spell, its ofensive spell

[spiral grove]

Yeah

[proper hearth]

single blink but twice as long as ranger disengage

[spiral grove]

Phoenix lock in smh you're not setting a proper example

[umbral seal]

disengage is dogshit. stops my character in it's tracks half the time after the animation gets done. #bullshit

[proper hearth]

and also mage blink is instant

ranger disengage takes time in which you are animation locked

so you are a duck to be attacked during that

[tulip grotto]

I know what hotkeys I have them set to!

[proper hearth]

ye, but tahts a bug, so yeah

[spiral grove]

Nah mage blink also has a cast time

it's short but it does

[proper hearth]

sure

[spiral grove]

like 0.6 or 0.8s

😋 not instant

[proper hearth]

i meant that it gets from point a to b in instant

[spiral grove]

yeaah fair

[proper hearth]

and ranger is like

https://tenor.com/view/high-jump-slow-motion-fly-ramp-suzuki-rm-z450-gif-14694256

[tulip grotto]

Mouse button 1 makes everyone fall over and mouse button 2 is scorpion from mortal kombat pull and F is group dance party taunt

[proper hearth]

and during that everyone shoots at you for free

its even worse in aristrike

you can 100->0 ranger during his airstrike

imo just give ranger passive 2 charges on disengage in skill tree, add another passive for increased evasion during disengage, and remove the wing up time for airstrike

and we will see where that puts ranger

and balance from there

[spiral grove]

yeah

sure

That's definitely not a whole lot to ask for

[proper hearth]

we need to get visual update for the disengage first

[spiral grove]

Exactly

[proper hearth]

happens sometimes

sometimes it will bounce you mid air into opposite direction

imagine you running away and it dashes you into the enemy you run away from

[umbral seal]

yea this happens most often in pvp for some reason

[mossy jungle]

I've never seen to have this issue but I've never done large scale pvp on the ranger mainly skirmishes

[umbral seal]

Idk, some rangers claim their bear traps work and others complaining that bear traps never work when they cast it. My ranger bear traps don't even show on the ground when i throw them. No effect even in a 1v1. 🤷‍♂️

[mossy jungle]

I play on all low settings even though my comp can handle max setttings

I dunno if that's an impact

[proper hearth]

if thats graphic settings issue then its even weirder

[mossy jungle]

i mean it could be latency iissue

I dunno I find that I had very minimal latency issues on low graphics in large scare stuff on my main vs when I had max

[quasi halo]

10/10 for art

[tacit adder]

ranger scatter shot seems to have fps related issues, without having the empowered scatter shot skilled, on low fps (carphin :) ) it still randomly charges the scattershot

so I wouldn't be surprised about graphic related issues

[teal marsh]

If you are sprinting while activating disengage then you don't hit the invisible brick wall and keep your momentum forward into a ground roll. Use sprint then a normal jump and hit airstrike mid jump to gain height, then disengage at the peak to get good distance.

[umbral seal]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-patrick-star-notes-noted-gif-26232003

[glad cloak]

Any ptr players, did camo actually work?

[umbral seal]

https://tenor.com/view/camouflage-gif-25391546

Can we finally be this?

[languid bronze]

what do you mean I love being pants running around

[candid briar]

still got nightmares by a pair of boots following me until i stopped at a braidwood tree

[maiden hearth]

Summoner’s actually in game already, just have 4 rangers camos with weapons showing and it’s like you summoned 4 weapons.

[candid briar]

its kael'thas all over again

[glad cloak]

lightning reload breaks camo
sprinting breaks camo

[green charm]

does camo do anything now at least

[umbral seal]

Yea, it moves my camera to the right for some reason

[plucky ridge]

what is going on with tanks? I played on phase 1 and they were great and came back to play after I couldnt for a long time and tank are boarder line unplayable

[quick path]

changes and testing for a reason. unhappy with tank atm rouge comes out soon 😉

[glad trench]

I was thinking about this; but what's our current best "druid-like" archetype combo? Ranger + Cleric?

[daring sentinel]

no one really knows, as the secondary classes are not in. We don't know how much class customisation those will enable. I wouldn't get your hopes up, Intrepid comments so far on this subject suggest those skill modifiers won't be that game changing.

[quasi halo]

Thanks for this tips, that amazing

[spiral grove]

We are cooked. that's what

[elder swift]

Wish we had the DRUID archetype

[daring sentinel]

Could we make Izzy our tank ambassador or something?

[spiral grove]

I would do our kind justice

[daring sentinel]

you got this

[spiral grove]

is there even a way to move this window?

[high matrix]

Hopes and dreams help I heard

Can also sacrifice some dps to the cleric gods, might keep that nasty curse away more

[quick path]

maybe try ui eedit

[barren forum]

You have time to click it 😛 unless you are death watching

[stray blade]

Is there a AoC mage discord?

[stray blade]

@pliant vector Sorry to bother you bud, but do you know of any dedicated server for mages?

[pliant vector]

Not yet, but i'll be starting one in about 2 weeks or so. Just to have a resource center for Mages.

[stray blade]

Awesome, let me know when it's up bud will join for sure.

Trying to work on rotation. Has beam seriously been nerfed hard? Was doing 8k now down to 3.5?

[torn imp]

Frost was bugged to do double dmg

[stray blade]

Was that just using frost alone? Or adding it as part of all 4 elements when you use beam?

[glad cloak]

i've been leveling a tank, yeah maintaining the grit buff is not fun

i understand now

[spiral grove]

😂😂😂

Petition to rework grit

[quartz osprey]

i apologize for asking any eta on rogue?

[spiral grove]

Potentially end this month

[quartz osprey]

ah ok.... so like a week?

[glad cloak]

https://tenor.com/view/earthquake-meme-girl-earthquake-meme-ali-j-girl-makeup-earthquake-bizarremakeuptutorialearthquake-gif-23583134

what it looks like playing a tank

whole screen zooms in shakes and explodes with every spell cast

wtf is this class lmao

[quartz osprey]

thank youu

[verbal osprey]

np - we’ll see if he gets it to arrive on time!

[quartz osprey]

ya!

[elder totem]

https://tenor.com/view/ashes-of-creation-gif-21770378

[glad cloak]

update on tank, at lvl 13 now, just pugging with randoms. It feels like the skills would work well if the tank HP was doubled, and healing was halved. It plays like a warrior tank where you passively cancel out a portion of damage. Realistically, You can't really do any tanking without healing of some kind coming in, unless you get stuck rationing after every pull. On the bright side, having 300 physical power at lvl 10 is pretty cool. If I didn't have this passive HP increase and power from being over geared, this would be giga miserable. Instead its kind of fun. I ignore grit and just do more damage now unless its an over pull

also grit doesn't add 10% mitigation. Just the rating equivilent

charge stopping at the end is ungood, I don't like the animation that redirects 20% of all allies damage to you - its like invisible? I feel like the courage bar should be 2-3x bigger than it is. There is no 'banking' really when its only 2 casts lol. and more stuff.

[green charm]

overall: it's rubbish

[tight portal]

Just wait until you realize Fortify+2 stack grit is only ~15% mitigation when everyone has penetration baked into their main stat 🤣

[umbral seal]

This month? Next month? Or next year?

[cloud gust]

some guy recently tried to gaslight me and tell me there was no shake on the tank LOL!

[balmy shell]

27th = 2027

[clever wyvern]

penetration isnt currently functional

[willow mesa]

How does penetration currently work? Is it worth stacking pen on bow over crit?

[daring sentinel]

Tank? Ashes doesnt have a tank.

This is a tank:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQCDptgpx6A

[cinder scaffold]

good ttk in warhammer

[quick path]

I'm at 13 as well. Good chunk of ashes gear on but mostly just trash filler and most the content solo is survivable just with bow wards and vengeance rotating In intercept and aoe barrier. No real need for healer solo cause of constant barrier. I think people playing tank and complaining just don't bother to read thier skills and learn how to play outside of guides and what others tell them to do. Before changes that are current low level tank play was trash.

[gentle panther]

Tank has potential and I like what they did with vengeance. However, there’s not much use in PvP as compared to clerics, bards, mages, and rangers. I can solo ok, I am not worried about PvP against people in similar gear out in the wild. In planned/spontaneous group PvP it’s more just a grapple/wall bot.

[distant cobalt]

Gigity

[spiral grove]

Nice

Some1 that is actually giving tank a chance

but yeah It's very bad

I just wish they would revert the survivability nerfs and kept the rest of the changes as is

Fixed grapple and sorted defense stats out

Tank kit in theory works/can work altho for big scale PvP any AoE defensives we have is very small

Aegis for example. you'd literally need ppl to be ontop of you or handholding you for it to redirect dmg

Protect range is broken and the passive for it doesn't work properly either

Charge passive is broken

ah cba I'll just start malding and wanting tank changes asap.

[elder talon]

The vengeance change is good for sure. I no longer hate the button existing.

[tight portal]

all the hate moved to grit

[barren forum]

How is the range broken?

[barren forum]

Strength as a stat scales stupidly well compared to other stats with no real soft caps

[spiral grove]

Whatever range it displays isn't accurate along with the passive and the tether breaking

[barren forum]

Oh really, sounds like a good skill on paper for keeping vips alive too bad it's buggy like most of tank skills

[spiral grove]

yeah

It's a good skill on paper but just needs..to work properly

a lot of tank skills are busted

[languid bronze]

I we could just get Grit to proc off Slam instead of competing with the resource we would be golden

well, it would fix things

[willow mesa]

Yeah I know str/int reigns supreme but I was wondering specifically about long bow skill tree and whether ppl recommend choosing the 5% crit dmg or 5% pen options on skill tree

[burnt thicket]

Curious about that as well for the longbow. Shortbow, I choose the pen.

[barren forum]

its really up to your own testing of where your gear is at, some classes like tank have guarenteed crit so they choose crit dmg cause it provides higher burst but if your crit rate is too little and the constant added dmg is too nice, its hard to go crit dmg

i personally on fighter go pen cause if i crit its close to 2.5k+ already so my non-crits being around 1.5k means i can easily chunk a whole group

[vale saffron]

Ranger has been changed quite heavily on the PTR btw

[unkempt shoal]

By how much? Buff? Nerf?

[vale saffron]

We now have a resource called "Focus" which makes our abilities do 15% additional damage proportionate to Focus stored. Regen 3 focus a second and weapon combo finishers restore 10 focus on hit.

New level 1 spell replaces Barrage called "Salvo". Has 6 charges but using it consumes all charges for 50% per hit. Weapon combo finishers restore 1 charge.

Barrage got moved to a T2 spell in the skill tree.

Additional level 1 spell called "Mark Prey" which "Marks the enemy target, temporarily converting the current active Hunt into a debutt against that target. When the Mark expires, the active Hunt effects are returned to the caster along with a temporary defensive bonus".

You get Hunt of the Raven for free at level 1. Hunt of the Raven has been changed from physical pen to 10% increase accuracy

New T1 spell that acts as a focus generator called Power Shot. Deals 200% damage and generates 25 focus. 1.4s cast time, 10s cooldown

[unkempt shoal]

That's actually a nice change if I'm reading that right

[vale saffron]

The Hunts also apply different defensive bonuses depending on the mark used

[unkempt shoal]

That's big. Rangers might be able to solo things more without heavy kiting

[vale saffron]

The Hunts have been changed too. So Hunt of the Tiger gives 10% crit CHANCE now isntead of damage

Bear is the one that gives phys pen now

[unkempt shoal]

Interesting.

[vale saffron]

Marks have been removed completely in favour of the "Mark Prey" spell too

So now you don't have separate "mark" spells, but rather the mark prey effect is whatever your current hunt is

[versed tulip]

Have other classes been changed as well or only ranger so far?

[willow mesa]

Thanks, I’m around 35% crit chance on my mage but maybe pen is the way to go. I don’t understand the pen formula but could probably test how much it increases flat dmg by attacking some mobs

[elder talon]

huh that’s a pretty cool changelist

[glad cloak]

The fact that they changed raven to be accuraccy - makes me think they are going to pull accuracy from STR (and prob int). IDK what the 'soft cap' is for hitting all the time, but STR stackers are past it already

[opaque cave]

no, pen is not the way to go. it doesn't work currently

[barren forum]

wait pen on weapon skills doesnt work currently?

[opaque cave]

correct

[proper hearth]

@vale saffron do you think we will get full ranger rework in the future or what we have on ptr is it in terms of ranger core abilities and all we will get is just some changes and rebalances?

[vale saffron]

I'd guess we'd get a rework at some point

[proper hearth]

[spiral grove]

Tank changes???????????

HELLO

Why are we getting ignored over playable Ranger??

[languid bronze]

Nothing is getting ignored - changes will come as they are produced

[modern aspen]

Ranger changes sound nice! I know nothing really made it feel unique at the moment, So hopefully these changes do something to change that! Even if this wasn't a buff, or a nerf, It sounds like it put Ranger in a better feel overall!

[sinful bluff]

Pen doesnt work on mobs (havant check on players yet) :p crit doesnt seem to work well either or mobs have a stupidly high crit resistance :p 45% crit rate crits things like 15%-20 of the time lol

i just want to see rangers get a range bonus tbh for class idenity atm for starters :p

[sinful bluff]

you got some changes already they just sucked though 😛 rangers have received nothing since phase 1 release 😛 (well except for siphoning regeneration which plain sucks anyway)

[sinful bluff]

it 100% does nothing for PvE atleast i havant check agaist players yet though, Crit chance doesnt seem very accurate with shortbow atleast barrage 24 shots = 3 crits with 45% crit chance lol

[spiral grove]

You mean the never ending visual fx changes??????????????????????????

Yeah man, I definitely like those.

!!

[sinful bluff]

you had a few skill changes and thing like 1-2 moinths ago but it made thing worst apparently from my understanding :p

ranger have been in a total of like 2 lines in patch notes so far 1 was fixed scatter shot the other wase siphoning regen (which doesnt seem to work anyway)

either way though anything to do with balancing numbers and things for classes atm are pointless till they fix TTK and enchanting :p

[spiral grove]

Just means rangers working tho smh

At least they fixed scatter shot, meanwhile tank hook has still not been addressed as to why It's so fucking terrible

[sinful bluff]

hahaha thats ffunny half there shit doesnt work

[spiral grove]

lolol

[sinful bluff]

scatter shot doesnt work properly, como doesnt work properly, airstrike bugs on some terrains, disenage doesnt work, barrage isnt consistant, mark of the tiger doesnt seem to work, lightning reload sometimes doesnt reset CD very low chance, call of the wild doesnt work sometimes either, regeneration kinda useless 9hp a second at lvl 25, having throns on and being hit by somone purple stil lsometimes flags u back use to be all the time but now it only a rare chance

[spiral grove]

Didn't they say they fixed scattershot regardless of terrain?

[sinful bluff]

they fixed that part of it they havant fixed it activating twice taking both charges

hold it doesnt to do the charge sniped version of it and about 30% of the time it will instantly use the 2nd use right after u the snipe to do an uncharge scatter shot at the same time

[barren forum]

yeah i noticed that with bow, as fighter i`d probably go disability duration then cause i deal a stupid amount of dmg already just need ppl to sit in it

[green charm]

I've never had this issue dog

think you got a sticky keyboard

[umbral seal]

Doesn't work half the time on uneven terrain. Ranger is hands down the buggies class atm. It works when shit registers. It doesn't alot.

You can't go through an entire playthrough without things breaking.

[clear grove]

CLERIC BUGGED AF LOL. i heal my enemies. pls pls fix, pvp is unplayble at this moment. in game bug report submitted...

[wintry portal]

I'm assuming you are talking about your AOE heal?

[clear grove]

no, all heals

[umbral seal]

Cleric so op it heals enemies.. nerf to the ground to fix 🤣

[clear grove]

if i attack someone, and they attack me, both flagged, i am targeted on them, they are the enemy, and i attemt to heal myself.. i heal my combatant to full hp XD

[wintry portal]

So you clicked yourself, and hit heal and it healed the combatant?

[clear grove]

only workaround is to allow duel target offense, and defense, and even then... try doing that on the fly

correct

well, for 6 months, i could target them, and use a heal, i heal myself, now, i just heal my enemies...

is mega broken, as well as communal restoration HoT not working as soon as shield removed, Defient light does not do what it says, ect ect.

I have so much input for the cleric, its the only class i play for 18 hours a day every day. i could seriously improve the class via great input. 14yr healer main, and only healer. the cleric as awesome, but other than some bugs, is truly missing just a few things to make the cleric feel soo good

[clear grove]

only class that needs nerfed to the ground is the class that has it all... the Bard.. shields, heals, mana, speed, sustain, multi cc, OP Wand tech ect ect....

[clear grove]

i want to say, I love the cleric, will actually never touch another class haha. its soo good. but i can send video in game to you when servers come up and show you what i am talking about. its actually crazy broken rn lol. all good, bugs be bugs, id love to see a quik fix tho

[wintry portal]

As long as you are reporting it in game via /bug command then its going directly to the right people to resolve if needed 👍🏻

[clear grove]

yes, i submitted every issue i found over the last week via detailed in game bug reports 🙂 9 i think, and some input as a lifelong healing pro ❤️

oh, Atom, AoC is GIGA POG btw. yall doing an amazing job. content rollout is great, communication is awesome, systems soo fun, been waiting 7 years to have a crack at AoC and ill say i very very happy to be playing your game. again, keep up the great work

[clear grove]

Atom, im trying to find the link to known issues, and system requirement page. normally i access from launcher, do you have a link to that page by chance if not, thats okay

[steady plover]

ranger updates TLDR

[wintry portal]

Uno momento

[clear grove]

tyty

[wintry portal]

Minimum Requirements: https://support.ashesofcreation.com/hc/en-us/articles/26658550834835-What-are-the-minimum-and-recommended-computer-specifications-for-Alpha-Two
Known Issues: https://forums.ashesofcreation.com/discussion/61592/alpha-two-known-issues-list-read-me-first#latest

[clear grove]

your the best ❤️

[wintry portal]

[umbral seal]

Very interesting seeing a class still needing one after already being nerfed to the ground so to speak.

[green charm]

only shit bards think it was nerfed into the ground

[hollow cave]

Buff bards my saga is not one shotting people hello???

[quick path]

As bard main if you heal you give up on max mana, if you max mana you give up on heal if your focusing heals or mana your giving up on dps it's a tick for tat and I'd say out of all the classes the highest skill ceiling imo

[umbral seal]

They were completely single handedly carrying groups and destroying pve content prior tho. You don't run into pve content now and say look the bard or cleric is OP because their auto attacks are killing mobs in no time. It's just vastly different when it comes to pvp.

[lilac rampart]

So i might be completely trash in my class (cleric) or I might be biased to one way of healing (WoW healing). But it seems to me that clerics dont rlly have depth in their healing.

Let me paint an example:
You're in a party and you use Soothing glow on tank and then later on judgement for extra burst heal.
Now these are 2 healing spells that work away from one another.

I kinda miss the healing aspect of:
Use soothing glow and judgement has a 3% chance of crit healing

Is this type of healing in the game and am i using my class incorrectely or is this just not in the game and does the cleric lack (For now as I know this is an alpha) depth

[spiral grove]

Doubt that it's the bugged class but all g.

[tacit adder]

Tank and Ranger are buggy as hell, rest seems to be mostly fine. As a ranger, I can say that camouflage is completely bugged, scattershot sometimes charges even if there's no talent point spent for the charge, scattershot happens twice if pressed once, scattershot doesn't follow terrain 50% of the time. Disengage does a lot of weird stuff it shouldn't do, sometimes goes the wrong direction, sometimes doesn't work at all, stops you completely mid air. Thundershot sometimes goes on cooldown and nothing happens. Quick reload goes on cooldown without being used when pressed too quickly after ability use. Raining death sometimes ignores terrain and can hit mobs above ceiling, sometimes doesn't. Strider sometimes affects yourself instead of other player/mount that currently is friendly target

[lilac rampart]

any clerics here that can answer this?

[verbal osprey]

The depth for me comes from charging a heal up on one person, while flash healing another person… and deciding when/where to load up hots and when/where to divine infusion.

I do agree that we lack defensive combos to proc beneficial effects.