alpha-two-archetype-chat

[versed viper]

Yea it should be really cool

[frozen condor]

What are the first two classes they're doing this on?

[coral atlas]

You should be getting better ping to west coast servers in Korea

[tight portal]

How is the grit per hour thing the part people are talking about? The amount of casts aren't remotely the problem it's the massive courage cost that's also shared with Slam/Ground Pound/Fortify. We either need higher courage generation or lowered costs so you can use things other than grit especially for PvP where you're often not sitting in melee range for significant amounts of time.

[unreal wolf]

Sounds like you have low GPH, skill issue

https://tenor.com/view/gph-aoc-gph-grit-grit-per-hour-gif-6524913673043713953

[barren forum]

not really, courage cost is completely manageable with normal finisher then almost too easy with extended finisher

pve content doesnt really become harder with grit usage, our rotations are still simple af, just they implemented a minigame to try and create "interactive content" in pve

[tight portal]

I said in PvP not in PvE. PvE content is free you can tank pretty much everything in the game with awful grit uptime even world bosses hardly hurt the tank.

of course courage isn't a problem when you have 100% uptime connecting with a pack of 5 mobs hitting you lol

[carmine pike]

why are people even talking about pve?

you pve for 3 days, then you hit lvl 25

then it's 99% pvp

[spiral arrow]

hey guys, can someone explain the difference between magic power, and magic power rating?

[tropic hull]

Magic power is rating / 3

Maybe it will have diminishing returns later

[marsh coral]

Did they nerf Shatter on the PTR? O_o

[tropic hull]

Its been nerfed from 300 to 225 last patch but its nowhere close being shit

Thats shit take at most

[marsh coral]

Oh so it's doomposting got it

[mint sapphire]

Not as a new player😂

[carmine pike]

you just need a group

ez lvling

[mint sapphire]

Not saying you can't do it, just that it is not something everyone can do so easily the moment they join the game

[carmine pike]

ok fine, you hit 25 in 5-10 days

then pve is basically over

[mint sapphire]

i get what you mean though xD

[quick pelican]

This chat is a meme.

[hollow cave]

Why so toxic

[verbal osprey]

By typing here, we become the meme? 😦

[versed viper]

3 days lmao

[spiral grove]

https://tenor.com/view/grit-gph-grit-spam-ashes-of-creation-gif-4148371850713744547

[mint tusk]

not me just chopping trees for 2 days as PvE and getting to level 6

[median egret]

1-25 through gathering challenge

[tropic hull]

Only 386363 nodes if i count correctly given 37xp per gathering node

[mint tusk]

i got 2 months till May reset i think i can make it by then

[mortal saffron]

Was there any mention on rougue release yet

[edgy wraith]

No

[marsh kestrel]

how is tanking in this game? im thinking of rolling that, or a mage

[floral sphinx]

Roll mage

[marsh kestrel]

is tanking that bad, or is mage that good?

[dry iris]

Tank needs a rework

[marsh kestrel]

ah, I see. janky kit?

[quick pelican]

i'm so tired of this "tank needs a rework" shit

tank has the second best wombo-combo in the game. It is viable at small + large scalle PvP. It is a bit of a chore during PvE due to the need to continually press Grit every 9s or so, but the class doesn't need a complete rework.

Grit needs to be altered again, but "needs a rework" is a bit of an overstatement.

[agile hare]

I like the tanks kit but think Grit needs to be adjusted some

[outer sentinel]

my only beef with my tank class is grit atm. i would happily trade it in for actively pressing block more often, making the shield actually function better then any other class hitting block would also help

[floral sphinx]

I think the kit is 50/50. Would potentially like to see something implementing along the lines of fighters, where tanks have different stances. Something like, single mob defense stance, for bosses to reduce damage, multiple mob stance increases block rate, etc. otherwise skills wise good diverse choice.

But generally speaking, limited skill choice across the board for types

[marsh kestrel]

i got a tank to level 6 or 7. currently having a hard time retaining aggro across mobs

[elder talon]

intimidating aura is broken good

[marsh kestrel]

ah yep, that will be huge once i get there

[elder talon]

I thought you got access to it at level 6? maybe it’s 8 or something

[marsh kestrel]

i dont think I had access yet, so id wager 8-10

[spiral grove]

Just get it asap and get tremoring strike

I forgot what lvl 6 even looks like for us

[marsh kestrel]

ive got tremor strike, the knockdown/interrupt sounded too good to pass on

[spiral grove]

@quick pelican

oh

rip

[marsh kestrel]

do I want to keep the shield early, or swap to something else for kill power for leveling?

[spiral grove]

ehm

you can prob just go for whatever gives you most phys power tbh

whether in group or solo

[marsh kestrel]

i assume the shield comes in much handier later in for dungeons/other

[spiral grove]

yes..and no

atm it's not that great tbh and our block mitigation is bugged rn

[marsh kestrel]

how so?

its my first day, so I have zero concept of anything yet

[spiral grove]

So you've got passive blocking which gets done without you doing anything hence passive and active blocking which requires stamina and does negate most of the dmg

But you don't need to be equipping a shield to do either

your stats will be higher for it yes

[agile saddle]

Doesn’t the tank have skills that require a shield equipped to use?

[spiral grove]

Nah

You can use them regardless of what weapon combo you're using

[agile saddle]

Even the shield bash/slam?

[marsh kestrel]

shield bashing with a bow sounds wrong

[unreal wolf]

https://tenor.com/view/gph-aoc-gph-grit-grit-per-hour-gif-6524913673043713953

[spiral grove]

😂

end of the animation but yeah

[marsh kestrel]

whats gph?

[agile saddle]

Do you have a shield equiped in melee slot? Does it swap to melee when you use it?

[spiral grove]

I don't

2h/longbow

it just basically does an animation with whatever wep you got in your hand

but the skill isn't even that great either so w/e

[unreal wolf]

Grit
Per
Hour

[agile saddle]

So only the ranger is cucked by having to use a ranged weapon to use skills

[spiral grove]

I think mages as well

[agile saddle]

Mages don’t care what weapon you use

[marsh kestrel]

can weapons be purchased, or find only?

[agile saddle]

Neither do bards, clerics or i guess tanks

[agile saddle]

Crafted or dropped from humanoid mobs

Crafted gear is best gear, especially with enchant system

[marsh kestrel]

that makes sense

[spiral grove]

Did they change the glow from your wep post-enchanting?

[marsh kestrel]

guess I gotta grind out some humanoids. the starter sword is ass

[spiral grove]

or are my settings scuffed

[twin mason]

You can buy the copper weapons from the village. I'd still consider it as starter gear but it's still better than what you get from the very start

[spiral grove]

Anybody? nobody?

[median egret]

Sup

[spiral grove]

@median egret

[torn imp]

Too broke to help you with that

[median egret]

Still working, haven't had the pleasure to play yet

[spiral grove]

oh

[spiral grove]

x.x get your stuff +8 already pls

[torn imp]

I accept donations on vyra thx

[spiral grove]

Lotharia only

It used to be there but I swear they got rid of the flame aura

gawd damn it

rangers got cool self buffs

mages got elemental wep buffs

tanks got doodoo

fk sake

[twin mason]

Yea that makes my mind up. I'm starting a ranger again. Or a fighter

I'll work on my tank when I get a regular group to run with

[spiral grove]

😂

wait what does

[twin mason]

Tanks got doodoo

[spiral grove]

it's true

intimidating aura

[quick pelican]

Bleh. Why. Why.

[spiral grove]

😂 I was just fact checking okay

F

Rip Fortify

[unreal wolf]

you don't need fort when you have high GPH

[sweet anchor]

Tank got stiffed can't wait for summoner il just keep getting those journeyman enchanting scrolls till then for my tank lol

[spiral grove]

😂 yeaah

[twin mason]

Yea so fighter is so much better for me. Got to lvl7 today and only died twice. Once because I was dumb and walked into the goblin caravan raid at lvl 4 and another because my blitz targeted a wolf while I was fighting a deer.

The 2 diffrent mobs ripped my booty cheeks asunder because they were the same lvl as me and I'm not very fast at these low levels.

[spiral grove]

Fighter has better sustain and more dmg ofc. It's melee so it struggles a bit too but fighter is p decent solo farming

Tank doesn't have any of that really

[twin mason]

I almost died a few times while soloing the lvl 6 Raider camp mission at lvl 6. Which is something ment for a party of lvl 6 people. But I lived and that got me to lvl 7

[spiral grove]

yeah

[twin mason]

And found out vyra has a more stable connection. So I'll stay there. I'll keep my tank on the eu but I might delete clevagecleaver if I continue to like this server.

[spiral grove]

😂

[unreal wolf]

https://tenor.com/view/gph-aoc-gph-grit-grit-per-hour-gif-6524913673043713953

[twin mason]

Nope. Not anymore. I'm a fighter.

[carmine stratus]

When is reset? And when do we get summoner/rogue

[twin mason]

I really wish people did research before asking questions everyone else just asked.

Reset for characters are durring release. Rouge is sometime this month.

[median egret]

where's the fun in that?

[tulip grotto]

Where do I sign up for this cure?

[gentle ocean]

is it even in PTR?

[unreal wolf]

https://tenor.com/view/luke-brown-mike-sadorf-naked-naked-man-gta-iv-the-lost-and-damned-swede-dick-gif-18366735

[tulip grotto]

[median egret]

Self medicate by playing literally any other class and you'll feel that pressing a button every 9 dec isn't so bad afterall

[tulip grotto]

get your blasphemy out of here

[torn imp]

#alpha-two-general message

Cleric discussion that should probably be here...

[violet thunder]

Hello gamers. New to the game and been playing tank. Trying to figure out skill rotations and when to use vengeance and not really sure if I should be using the skill and when. I spam grit, inciting strike, tremoring strike, intimidating aura and taunt when needed.

[obsidian fable]

It’s coming to the PTR on Wednesday

[gentle ocean]

bout time, i just hope my poor summoner doesnt take as long (-~-)

[high matrix]

Cleric talk is so rare we let it happen naturally everywhere it wants

[obsidian fable]

Tanks hog all the archetype discussion

[quick pelican]

Aura should be enough to hold aggro with taunt + shield slam + autos.

I don’t use inciting strikes, I think it’s trash. Otherwise you should focus on weaving autos and blocks with your defensive cooldowns + blocking / dodging to avoid keeping your stam maxed (use the resource!)

I’m also a gigantic fan of “circle kiting” which is constantly moving in a circle or half circle to force the mob to shift before it can enter an attack animation, it delays the amount of dps mobs can put out and makes it much easier to avoid damage.

It takes a bit of time to learn so you’re not turning the mob into your group, but very worth it.

Tremoring shout is your easy trip for cancelling a mobs skill cast

[violet thunder]

Thanks for the tips. I agree the small circle kiting is a good technique. I notice that tremoring strike does not always trip mobs. Is there a specific mechanic to get the cc off? I was at oaken and the trip sometimes would not work on the chopper. I’ll try the slam over inciting strike. The cd on inciting is kind of nice tho. Is vengeance just a meme skill?

[torn imp]

No more tank discussion this is a cleric channel now

[quick pelican]

Veng is a skill to get a stun. You weave in 1-2 vengs to prep for the third on which stuns.

Trip has a diminishing return so you can’t spam it and it shares a cooldown with snare? or stun? something similar.

In PvP veng is spammed back to back to get the stun and for the quick damage it does

[high matrix]

Need more complaints about cleric in their feedback threads

[upbeat plover]

brb gonna say i think we should get refunded mana from healing we do at a 1:1 ratio, like a lifesteal 😎

[high matrix]

No no just say we need our whip back

Much better feedback

[upbeat plover]

i come from an age after the whip it seems 😔

[fossil rivet]

Ashes of Creation Wiki

Castigation

This page is being shown in place of an unknown status effect.

Castigation is a buff in Ashes of Creation.

Duration: 2s
Dispellable: Yes
Persists: Relog
Stacks: 50
Effect description
Heals caster when cast.

Learn more here

https://ashesofcreation.wiki/Castigation

[unreal wolf]

https://tenor.com/view/grit-gph-grit-spam-ashes-of-creation-gif-4148371850713744547

[upbeat plover]

PLEASE I WOULD LOVE this skill

[high matrix]

See!

It also had a mana buff

[solid pendant]

Wenrohg

[steel lily]

as a cleric should you focus on the healing stat or on int?

[torn imp]

Int. Magic power gives healing power

[solid pendant]

Will mouseover click casting ever be added to the game?

[versed viper]

Mouseover is the “hover casting” option

[haughty pewter]

lol so this is pvp, just getting 1 shot lmao

[umbral seal]

https://tenor.com/view/faint-fainty-funny-punch-punching-gif-17899452

[mild furnace]

With channeled spells, is there a way to make it press once to cast and press again to finish early (if desired)?

I'm trying to get away from having to hold a channeled heal 24/7

[lethal oar]

i dont think so yet. If it is, its in the keybinds somewhere and i'm just not seeing it. Pretty sure when we are closer to release they will give us more advanced UI settings, keybinds, chat customization, etc...

[pure estuary]

Fight question here. Is this a known bug or am I doing something to biff this, more often than not when I cast whirlwind I spin once and it just stops. it tends to feel like it happens when input a movement key when it starts the bar but other than that it will happen even if I press the key and let my hand off the keyboard.

[sage berry]

What will be the Archtype's available to test in Phase 3? Can someone please post all the combos coming?

[final hound]

what combo ? i dont think second pick archetype is ready yet

[random blaze]

What is the best Stat gear for a bard? Magic Resist, Magic Power etc. Also, what does Saga do as I cannot understand what they are saying "consumes all current themes". Thanks in advance.

[nocturne mulch]

just stack magic power, sage used to consume the 3 themes u had on you it dosent anymore, but u still need to have them to activate saga ( ex: using wonder will give u a blue theme after u get 3 u ll be able to use sage->silent pantheon)

[limpid sonnet]

youre hitting WW too soon after an autoattack, so the autoattack goes through and cancels your WW. just wait for half a second before casting WW. also dont spam your ww cause that will insta cancel it as well

[pure estuary]

Thank you very much!

[spiral grove]

Tank buffs where?

[high matrix]

After they fix mend

[spiral grove]

Duck mend.

If we're going based off of fixes.

They better fix our hook, shield slam, protect and more.

[torn imp]

Mend broken = tank dies. Fix mend

[high matrix]

I see someone doesn't like heals as a tank.. Seems suicidal

Lol

[spiral grove]

🤨

What does mend even do 👀😂

[high matrix]

It's supposed to be our first heal

You know that projectile you see chasing people

[torn imp]

It's supposed to be our core heal button but the orbs travel to narnia and it doesn't work on mouseover

[high matrix]

That's mend

Lol

Pretty much no cleric seriously uses it for this reason

[spiral grove]

Ahhh

[high matrix]

@torn imp seems they have rethought their life choices xD tank doesn't seem bad when you realize how clerics have been playing with jank for heals

[spiral grove]

The flying glowing balls 🧐

Well idk

[torn imp]

I've been required to use mend to keep people alive in pvp and I'm like 2 days away from rolling a bard. It's that bad

[spiral grove]

I figured there's other heals that are spam able n work

[high matrix]

There really aren't any heals you can spam

[torn imp]

Flashcure has a 6s cd woth 3 charges so you only have so many. Mend is a much faster recharge and you have 5 charges with stacking power

[high matrix]

Every heal has a cool down. Or a cast bar. Cleric requires a brain

[torn imp]

Typically to focus heal someone being focused in pvp it takes 2 clerics multiple mends AND flash cures. The problem is they'll die because the mends go to narnia or the healer can't swap target fast enough

[high matrix]

This is why I spec into hots

And use barrier

[spiral grove]

Ah okay

[spiral grove]

Gotcha

Mebbe I should try a cleric next 🤔

[high matrix]

Please do xD

[torn imp]

It's pretty fun tbh. I'm not a healer, I'm just a dps that doesn't want to die. Could have a bit higher damage but survivability is great

[high matrix]

Feel the pain watching three mends chasing someone that dies instead

Or judgement deciding to be used to dps a mob instead of it healing who you want or vice versa

Honestly cleric is just entertaining for the pure gamble of if your heal will actually heal

[torn imp]

Ez fix just never take the dps loss and only judgment to kill

[high matrix]

I only use judgement when ever other thing is on CD and idiots are still cavorting in red

[spiral grove]

the amount of LF Tanks I'm seeing is increasing day by day

[torn imp]

Superbowl a big part of that I imagine. Usually I see lf cleric/bard the most

[spiral grove]

Oh Superbowl going on? lmao well clearly I'm not from EU

[high matrix]

Or just don't give a fuck about football lol

[spiral grove]

[thorn pond]

Any one knows when the Rogue will be available?

[high matrix]

Ptr gets it Wed but it is in an unfinished and buggy state from what intrepid have said. Wouldn't expect it until March on a2 imo

[sacred thorn]

Does anyone know how to stop auto weapon swapping? Fighter keeps using bow right after I use melee skills and I am trying to cleave mobs down.

[glad cloak]

Every day I log in, or swap weapons, it goes to melee instead of bow

[weak lion]

Under game settings, combat, auto auto attack, UNCLICK "After Ranged Ability"

[sacred thorn]

Fighter has no ranged skills so how keeps swaping to bow?

[weak lion]

You pull with a bow? Force switch to melee using swap weapon.

[unreal wolf]

https://tenor.com/view/gph-aoc-gph-grit-grit-per-hour-gif-6524913673043713953

https://tenor.com/view/grit-gph-grit-spam-ashes-of-creation-gif-4148371850713744547

[spiral grove]

@unreal wolf

nvm

:(

ill del

[daring sentinel]

Have you tried joining your local Anonymous Tankers group? It might help you with tanking trauma

my local Anonymous Bard group helped me immensely after bard nerfs. I've accepted that I'm mainly a walking mana battery now. It's hard man, when no one is watching I role play a dps bard in the front a mirror....😢

[outer sentinel]

the issue isnt a nerf, its a rediculous mechanic that no other class has 🙂

Bard was OP as it was, they still are strong in balance, and their utility did not significantly change after nerf. Tanks utility in PvE changed dramatically and in PvP the grit change is an odd even more one out

[tropic hull]

All you need is just some GPHL1 injections

Makes tanking great

[daring sentinel]

oi! Leave my jester alone. Also now I want a pirate class in-game.

[round storm]

Seeing all the hype about rogue just makes me more hungry for the summoner to be released.

[brazen tangle]

So I just started playing and decided to roll tank. Is there a way of customizing how buffs show in my UI so I can better track my Grit?

[daring sentinel]

no, you are supposed to have 20/20 vision

[brazen tangle]

https://tenor.com/view/reaction-big-eyes-seriously-shocked-gif-12278669

[spiral grove]

😂😂

Tbh

If they fix the UI for the buffs idc about pressing grit

You just refresh it before it falls off

It's somewhat annoying just cuz our courage is in such an awkward spot too but yeah. I wish it showed our courage with numbers rather than just a visual

[median egret]

Could swap with stam bar and it'd be gucci

[brazen tangle]

I don't mind as long as I can clearly see when to reapply it. I have a tough time watching it to make sure it doesn't fall off while in combat

[spiral grove]

well you still want to see stam in numbers as well right? tbh I think If they just add another row below the mana bar. it'll be good enough

and yeah that's what I mean @brazen tangle

[median egret]

Or that, I do feel like stamina is less trivial to keep track of, and easier to eyeball without any numbers being shown.

But they should give us some form of qol change to it, and it's perfectly fine if it's just some placeholder, it's alpha after all.

[glad cloak]

Tank wall should be longer

[spiral grove]

😂 tbh tank walls in the open area's is very mediocre

you LoS ppl maybe for half a sec and they have LoS again

[ivory estuary]

i have a mage question. the deadly fisnisher proc that chains to 3 more mobs then the one your hitting. is it possible to make it not pull mobs outside of combat? (currently lvling my mage) maybe it changes at max lvl. adding that im solo lvling. i guess with a grp it dont matter since my guess is that you chain aggro mobs and aoe them down.

[bitter grotto]

are you talkking abt chain lightning? no way around it thats purely aoe, atleast with lightning strike you can release the key before fully charged or not put an extra skill point into "AOE" option for lightning strike.

[ivory estuary]

no the deadly finisher on at least lightning. that makes your 3rd auto chain of hitting 3 extra mobs

[bitter grotto]

ah, i am completely lost regarding finisher or deadly finisher XD

not even sure how it works, so i guess every auto attacks counts towards finisher from what you say

[ivory estuary]

no way of getting the in game tooltip since alpha isnt up.

its a proc that could happen on every auto attack or something and it can chain of hitting 3 mobs you arent in combat with. works the same as the protection paladin avenger's shield ability from world of warcraft.

[barren forum]

Depends how its used, i like to use it to stagger engages by multiple ppl

and los'ing a healer for a bit is pretty important at time for thier heals

[spiral grove]

I mean...yeah sure but realistically with how much of an open space the world has 🙃 our itty bitty wall doesn't play a large scale.

[barren forum]

pick the archetype that will give you the longest wall then xD

[spiral grove]

and like I said LoSing anybody "for a bit" is realistically only 1sec. if that

[barren forum]

It matters in large scale for disruption, and if working correctly groups some annoying mobs

I would say the real problem is flag, its so hard to make an impact with flag that feels super good

[spiral grove]

😑 lets be real. Your disruption from an ability that has a 60sec cd is negligible. 😂

Vs a rangers root. Mage blizzard . Bard aoe stun and just so much more

Yeah flag is a joke too.

Why even bother throwing that thing when its wind up lasts longer than me running a caravan from the tropics to Azmaran

[green charm]

tank wall should be like twice as wide and tall

minimum

and last for 30 minutes

[maiden hearth]

Charge into tank wall should stun enemies

Charge should pick up enemies and carry them with you, think Poppy

[green charm]

agree

[spiral grove]

[spiral grove]

agreed and no but it can def last longer than that it does rn

[cunning tangle]

Best thing I did was increase my health bar UI, so that my buffs were more visible. I also did this for my enemies bar, so I can track the stun/trip lock out timer.

[brazen tangle]

I will do this! I didn't know they were resizable

[spiral grove]

Even tho you do this. It's still smallish

unless you go giga large

lol

[cunning tangle]

...

[spiral grove]

what

[cunning tangle]

Mine might be giga large lol

[spiral grove]

resized

and that's how it looks for me lol

at like 115 I think

Like..you know it's there but still it looks gross to keep track of

It's by no means the best thing but...it is the next best thing I suppose

leaving it at default is even worse

[cunning tangle]

I would show screenshot, but I do not have any. I set my UI scale to 100 and resized it with a grid size of 64 to take up roughly 4 squares tall.

Yeah I don't even look for the the countdown when i check to re-apply grit, I simply look for the color of the countdown number. As i found it easier to determine when to re-apply when I see yellow ~5 seconds left

[ivory estuary]

im curious on the topic of how similar this ability is to Rune of Power from WoW and that community feedback on the ability made it leave that game.

Can add some points.
how the class damage tuning was always taken the ability into account.
How it was always taken since the damage amp from it was so big ( was 40% in wow)
the feelbads around droping it and being forced to leave it. enemy ground effects or other things
how the mage's damage is always teid to Burst windows around the rune since the amp was so big ( 40% in wow)
The runes size was increased until it needed 3rd party softwear to track the buff.

[elder talon]

FFXIV has Black Mage Leylines which is another variant of the same idea. I think it’s cool, numbers need tuning but the concept of rooting yourself for a ton of bonus damage is a cool component of the mage class fantasy imo.

I’d honestly like if it ACTUALLY rooted you inside of it but that would be pretty different

[ivory estuary]

its very thematic on that i agree. maybe some of the lvl 25 archtypes will agument it in any way like archmage being able to move with the Arcane might buff?
my only concern is the meta gaming will be wait for the mage to drop it and then drop AoE on it or have the figther charge in and Whirlwind on top of the mage.

[cedar pasture]

only if leylines covers the whole node

[elder talon]

yeah I don’t think it’s supposed to be a good PvP ability

[ivory estuary]

maybe not but how do you then balance the mage? for pvx

[elder talon]

Isn’t mage like… really good right now?

[ivory estuary]

nr might change from now to release on all classes also we arent max lvl on the alpha yet.

[green charm]

Mage "not really" good right now

[clever wyvern]

mage has no kit, just damage - WTB 2 charges of blink and a targeted disable that's less dogshit than slumber

add stun to combust

[green charm]

Magecels won't be happy until they can fly around the map oneshotting everybody with no contest

[tight portal]

If you ignore mages insanely high damage, amazing burst damage, ranged CC abilities, mass slowing ability, blink ,and massive shield it just has no kit.

[glad cloak]

Mages are doing good right now. instant aoe rooting cc, shield, teleport, aoe cc with slumber, enchanting ally weapons, chill slows etc.
for a damage class it has enough utility

[green charm]

You should be forced to level any other class to 25 before you're allowed to roll a mage

[spiral grove]

😂

Anybody that thinks mages aren't decent rn are tripping big time

It's like saying tank isn't the worst class rn

[green charm]

Tank should have a blink instant aoe cc

[umbral moss]

Supposedly rogue hit ptr today, anybody able to share info?

[candid briar]

yo dont forget an ability to just send your target to character selection screen, and if you do this they should drop all their gold aswell right

[unreal wolf]

https://tenor.com/view/gph-aoc-gph-grit-grit-per-hour-gif-6524913673043713953

[clever wyvern]

mage is decent sure, but not having an offensive disable (slumber is ass except for stealing trees) + cc break is tied to our mobility = poor design

yall clearly havent played fighter, cleric, or bard at high power level

mage only ahead of tank and ranger rn

according to PTR testers rogue will absolutely dominate PVP in current state 🤣

[ivory estuary]

have someone ever compered the amout of CC and CC break, mobility skills and so on between all classes?

[restive cypress]

i wonder how rogue/summoner will be i hope he can summon permanent summon maybe shadow clone dps pet
like his name is shadow lord so makes you wonder

[gentle void]

Any PTR enjoyer can share rogue thoughts?

[static cipher]

Haven't seen one yet. 😉

[maiden hearth]

OP

[proper hearth]

wait for secondary archetypes then

[proper hearth]

you cant have the class that have everything mate

thats not the point of having classes

[ivory estuary]

how many classes have stuns? sorry havent played so long 😛

[proper hearth]

there is plent of different cc, im not sure exactly how many have "stun"

mate wants 2 charges on blink that is also cc break and wants to have far better CC on mage

after second thought

i think he is trolling

[clever wyvern]

i dont want cc break tied to mobility at all - it feels bad

[proper hearth]

ranger was supposed to be 2nd most mobile class in the game, still waiting for that to be the case

mage blink has twice the range of ranger disengage, its faster and has the same cooldown

mage is not mobile class, having 2 charges on blink would make no sense

that being said maybe you will get 2 charges as the augment

[spiral grove]

Mage blink tech gg

[maiden hearth]

Ranger should definitely be more mobile than Mage

But we’ll see rangers go extinct soon, all rangers gonna switch to rogue lolol

New class hype

[proper hearth]

currently ranger only real mobility is disengage and its weird.. kinda mid. Airstrike is too slow to be real mobity, its decent for vertical, but realistically its mostly used to reengage on snared targets

[spiral grove]

I mean with has been said

Rogue's broken af

gg

[proper hearth]

ye

[maiden hearth]

Soon there will be no ranger problems because there are no rangers

Rogue is insanely broken apparently

[proper hearth]

disengage doesnt give any defensive bonuses so when you are stuck in the animation in the air you are a free target to shoot at, basically a target dummy. And when you combine that with low range and 20s cd.. its just not very good

but apparently they will be overhauling classes after rogue is live

so we will see what they will cook

[maiden hearth]

Stop overhauling classes and give us summoner already

[proper hearth]

i would agree if the classes overhauls were not necessary

i myself will either play ranger or reroll to summoner

tbd

[maiden hearth]

I doubt we’ll be getting summoner this phase lol, but rogue is gonna be waaaaaaay overtuned for sure.

I’m actually more interested in getting tropic nodes

[proper hearth]

well, roadmap placed summoner phase 3

so yeah

[maiden hearth]

I just think they should stop overhauling classes until we get our secondary archetype. Everything “balanced” is going to absolutely break when they come out anyway lol

[proper hearth]

"rogue is gonna be waaaaaaay overtuned" we will see, its just ptr now, a lot can change before it hits live servers

[proper hearth]

i disagree

they need to create solid foundation before moving on to different things

and they want to make sure that classes are on the similar level in the sense of thier kit

[maiden hearth]

Yeah, but I feel just changing certain things instead of a full overhaul would work to create “solid foundations”

[proper hearth]

like steven said, they still have to add tiers of spells, there you can put more skillpoints into the skill to make it stronger

[maiden hearth]

I guess it depends on your definition of full overhaul. When I see “full overhaul” I think like complete rework champions in league

[proper hearth]

well, idk what they are doing, its not said that htey will do the class from the ground up, it can be just changes, we dont knwo

[maiden hearth]

Ohh , I must’ve misssd this

[torn imp]

"Stop nerfing bard stop nerfing baaaarrd" - @maiden hearth

[maiden hearth]

Pretty much

[proper hearth]

meanhile bard with wand do 100->0 in 0.2s

[maiden hearth]

I just think that even if their damage is nerfed, their kit’s possibilities has enough more versatility and CC than Bard does right now and people are already complaining about bards

[maiden hearth]

Oi you leave my wand bard alone. I have 3 brain cells and it works

[proper hearth]

its the designer issue, it was designed by different guy that other clasess

probably one of the reasons why other classes need overhaul

[maiden hearth]

I thought rogue designer was the same as bard designer

[proper hearth]

yes

rogue doesnt need overhaul

[maiden hearth]

Oh I reread your thing I get it now

[proper hearth]

now they just need to bring other classes to the same standard

and they are gucci

[maiden hearth]

Trueeee

Tanks charge carries enemies like Poppy

Let’s go

Bring back tank kidnapping

[proper hearth]

tasnk charge has enough range to do around the world trip

its weird tbf

[maiden hearth]

It’s so funny lol

Before they turned off road buff, caravans were faster than a tank charge lmao

[proper hearth]

[maiden hearth]

Why you sussing huh

[proper hearth]

but anyway, if you think about it, every class in mmo should be overpowered

[maiden hearth]

Yeah, I agree. I personally really liked Pandaria PvP because everyone was super busted and it was hilarious but I know a lot of people didn’t like it haha

[proper hearth]

its psychology, it feels good to have unfair mechanic. To one shot someone as a rogue, to reset the whole raid to full hp as a cleric

and mmo is pinicle of imersion in a sense

you play as your character for hundereds if not tousands of hours

[maiden hearth]

Ultimately it’s how it feels tho imo, bard just feels really fluid and tanks feels like dry cardboard

Dunno how to explain it

But that’s how I feel

[proper hearth]

and guess which out of those two classes is unfair

[maiden hearth]

Oi oi, you leave my 3 brain cell bard alone

[proper hearth]

its one brain cell per theme?

[maiden hearth]

Let’s see what they cook up, I think there’s enough feedback from tanks to fill up a database in this chat lol, so let’s hope. I really enjoy tank as a concept, but tanks in this game was too boring to play lol.

[proper hearth]

i played gvg few days ago and i got one shot by a tank

[maiden hearth]

1 brain cell per song, and I have to take 24 hours to unlearn and relearn a new one, raid leader needs to be give me 24 hours to play a 4th song

[proper hearth]

he weapon finishered me by 1.2k crit

[spiral grove]

😂

[proper hearth]

then tripped for 1.6k crit

and then slammed for 1.9k

[maiden hearth]

Y’all tank chatters

[maiden hearth]

Better than getting hit by a 3k crit frost bolt and then getting 3 people one shot by instant fireballs

[spiral grove]

🧐👀

[proper hearth]

ye, its rough

[spiral grove]

Tbh playing ranged is prob the way to go in this game

Just too strong

[maiden hearth]

In before they give tanks a mobile wind wall to blocks all projectiles

[elder talon]

https://tenor.com/view/yasuo-bazzy-bronze-air-riven-gif-13250041

[proper hearth]

for now, a lot of stuff can still change

lower TTK for one will help melee a bit

[maiden hearth]

I’m interested to see what the new enchanting system is

[proper hearth]

a lot of gear and stat changes planned too

[maiden hearth]

Mhm, would be interesting to see

[proper hearth]

and tahts ignoring the new gear systems like gem slots and gear ascention

[maiden hearth]

Yep yep

a lot to look forward to, boat building, ocean, sports fishing (please, Steven?), etc.

[torn imp]

wand had a nerf on ptr something like 'fixed excessive damage on extended finisher'

[proper hearth]

i look forward to good animal husbendry, overhauled classes, pyrai and actually good character models and armors

[maiden hearth]

Leave my wand alone T_T

[torn imp]

insert joke here

[spiral grove]

I mean

shore

SHORE

[proper hearth]

shore

[proper hearth]

tanks will be more tanky, mitigation matters more when everyone is not getting oneshot, so tank party buffs will be more relevant in pvp. and fighter has a lot of damage so it will still be good after damage nerfs

[spiral grove]

tank..party buffs...what buffs

[maiden hearth]

[proper hearth]

liek this blue shield

taht gives big shield to everyone

oir this spell that redirect damage to tank, not sure if its still exist

[spiral grove]

😂

good one

[unreal wolf]

https://tenor.com/view/grit-gph-grit-spam-ashes-of-creation-gif-4148371850713744547

This blue shield?

[green charm]

grit per hour is a crutch stat

real gamers roll 0gph

[outer sentinel]

no grit party assemble. only noobs measure gph, the true measurement of tanking is blocks per minute, caused by pressing active block in the rotation downtimes

[clear lynx]

You wanna see the build I am trying to get?

Something that i think is POSSIBLE

Although, my major crutch is wolf skins I think. Those will be super tough to gather

Only 4 animal fat

[outer sentinel]

sure share away, the larger issue for any JM Armorsmith like myself is getting the rarity mats for crafts, i cant produce jack shit at high quality without Animal Fats for the molds nor without any quality hides. it is offsetable with high quality metals, but there the coal might be the bottleneck, so by all means share your build possible

[barren forum]

blue shield is flag, large cast time, theres still moments you can use it but i would say in a 2 hour war I found 4 casts that were good. Thinking you mean aegis but from what i'm told, cc is shared too (why i was told protect is a bad ability) so unless they make it so you are cc immune while aegis bubble is active i dont see a point for it

[barren forum]

True gigachads outgear all content and press no buttons except w

[daring sentinel]

maybe because bard is the only class in the game currently which has any character, depth and is not one dimensional? I have no idea how clerics or tanks do it💤

[proper hearth]

i assume you want to use this flag on enemy engages

[barren forum]

It only applies once every ten seconds and only one application matters so multiple tanks and you see someone else cast it you can't and after ten seconds you either won th engage or died

[proper hearth]

its the matter of you know, you see enemy hitting juicy vines and some of them jumps in and other look like they wan tto follow to

you cast it

everyone gets a shield

no?

[barren forum]

You'd rather wall in that situation every time

10% hp shield does not save anyone currently from a juicy vine but los wall does

[grand crow]

Hey guys, im gonna start playing tonight and debate which class i should pick.
I really love the assassin playstyle (daggers/thief/ninja etc) but rouge is still not available,
which class/archetype in the current state of the game fits most as the assassin type?

archetypes are already available? you choose specific archetype at a certain level or it's determined by weapon of choice?

[quick pelican]

you choose a class and can use any weapons with it. rogues are currently on the PTR and should be out in a couple weeks, maybe, who knows.

Closest thing to assassin is ranger because it has a fake stealth skill, but in reality there isn't that type of character in-game yet.

the archtype system is not in the game yet and won't be until phase 3 at the earliest.

[grand crow]

ah, so no archetypes yet?

the weapon changes to different skills?

[quick pelican]

yes, no archtypes like I said. the weapons give you different passive weapon trees to go down, not skills.

[grand crow]

gotcha, thank you very much!

[quick pelican]

ofc, gl hope you enjoy it

I recommend finding a group to level with

THe grind can be real

[grand crow]

cant wait to play :D
the slow leveling aspect is really something i look forward to. recent MMO's totally ignore the fun aspect of leveling and it's just who gets to max level first..

[grand crow]

by phase 3 you meant alpha 2 phase 3, as in around 3 months at best?

[quick pelican]

Phase 3 is planned for May, but there is always the possibility of delays.

[quick pelican]

It's slow with a group too, solo is difficult on many classes.

[grand crow]

yeah i think i've been following AoC since like 2020, so i am well known to possible delays xD

[grand crow]

which classes have easier time to solo?

i'd probably go ranger or figther tonight..

[quick pelican]

Mage, fighter, ranger, cleric are pretty doable. The bard nerf makes it a bit more difficult. Tank requires a decent 2h GS tbh.

[grand crow]

tanking also seems cool

what is the closest game that has a similiar combat to AoC? GW2?

[granite saddle]

Fighter solos very well

[random blaze]

Bard: Wand, Book, magic short bow or long bow, greatsword? What is best?

[unreal wolf]

Dark fall

[unreal wolf]

Kinda

AOC needs more defenition not classes the grind is mindless and there isn't much content.

They need to fix the classes and their bad rotations, then add something to do

I'm not interested in grinding mobs for days to fight in laggy pvp

[grand crow]

i mean, this is alpha. it's meant to test out things, not be your playground of fun

it makes sense the game lacks definition at it's current state

at this point i don't think class rotations is the top priority or what should be the top priority..
regardless class definition and balance is usually the last things to touch out, though I do agree that combat is one of the most important aspects of a MMORPG (imo)

[unreal wolf]

Rotation and things to do are 99% of an MMO so yes they should be top priority.

Now I understand they are trying to push out more classes to meet their promise.

Understand, but the progress is very slow they need to get more people to the team.

[mossy jungle]

rogue is sounding like its gonna be a beast of a class

[dire coral]

https://tenor.com/view/bait-thats-bait-tom-hardy-mad-max-gif-5055384

[mint tusk]

not me only wanting rogue so i can gather in peace

i hope the stealth doesnt break when i chop trees or grab flowers

[bitter grotto]

i am planning to go for gathering too lool not sure how it works

[swift egret]

I am pretty sure it should break with any action done so don't hope for it 🙂

[mint tusk]

my hope is strong maybe i can will it into exsistence

[spiral grove]

Tank buffs confirmed or not yet?

[languid bough]

not yet

[dreamy river]

One of the tool belts you can get allows you to gather from stealth, but you lose the ability to use various moves from stealth

So you can specialize in that sense

[bitter grotto]

wait wth i thoguh 3

[languid bough]

confirmed no buffs

[unique fulcrum]

It's just me or Mend finally working on "mouseover" casting?

[torn imp]

Ohhhh would be huge. Please confirm if true I'm at work 😦

[umbral moss]

I think ranger camo works for this? Does camo actually do anything or is it still bugged?

[unique fulcrum]

I tested it with random guy in WInstead with Raid party frames and it works for me 🙂

[high matrix]

Does it work when you have a defensive target and mob targeted?

[unique fulcrum]

Didnt tried this scenario, just had Party Member 1 in target, and via Raid frames I sent Mends to Party Member 2 without need to have him in target 🙂

[high matrix]

Need this tested xD

Gotta make sure we didn't get shafted

[torn imp]

Hearing from guild this is not working..interersting

[unique fulcrum]

I can retest in few minutes, did they have raid party frames?

Okey nvm, my bad 😄 it's not working 😄 sorry

[torn imp]

😦

@high matrix we continue riots as planned

[high matrix]

Should send new bug report in every patch

[twin mason]

The Archetype chat not being on fire because of tank gdp?! Thus is unheard of!

[barren forum]

wait whats gdp?

[twin mason]

Sorry. GPS. Grit per second. I misspelled

[barren forum]

I could see gpd as like grit per death which is probably a valid tank stat

especially once they consider content to easy again and spike all mobs values by 1000%

[twin mason]

I think having death modifiers would be cool. Exept for those who aren't good at the game like myself it's too punishing for something already negative.

Maybe a buff for tanks that haven't died in a while like a veteran aura. Gives people a reason to not die or pull off more than they can chew.

Since melee are inherently prone to death.

[high matrix]

If you are dying a lot as a dps either stop standing in stupid or get a better cleric

[twin mason]

One your right. I'm still learning. Two. I'm playing solo for now. I'll play with people after I get good so I don't hinder the party.

I'm still a newbie in both this game and mmo rpg in general

And finally to note. I said tank. Not dps. I'm playing fighter now and I haven't died nearly as much as when I first started.

[mint tusk]

I’ve been doing solo cleric self heal stuff with a greatsword and it’s been going well I just aggro like 3-4 1 stars on my level and do all the HoT heals and self heal stuff while I stand in the middle and greatsword aoe damage um

[spiral grove]

At least our shield doesn't visually disappear anymore

:D

[spiral grove]

https://medal.tv/games/ashes-of-creation/clips/jGWuVI41aNArhQOPW?invite=cr-MSw0eU8sMzI3NjM2MDc3LA

[tropic hull]

Hehe "tank"

How much Power is that @spiral grove ?

[carmine stratus]

Do we know if summoner will use fluffy animals or undead

[dry iris]

Both

Probably

[carmine stratus]

Ew

Necro would be cooler

[proper hearth]

buff tank

[median egret]

"Increase TTK!!"

"Buff x and y! We doin' too low dmg!"

[proper hearth]

sounds like durability patch in league from 2 years ago

increase everyone's defenses. increase damage over next 2 months

profit

[spiral grove]

ehm prob like 480 I think

[spiral grove]

We do.

[spiral grove]

Well see the only reason this worked is cuz the hook actually worked

[proper hearth]

sure, but fixing a bugged spell is hardly a buff, even if it makes the class stronger

[main bramble]

I know the Rogue will have a special ability to find hidden paths. I was wondering if you pick Rogue as your second archetype will you still get that ability?
@mighty nimbus @winged plank

[tulip grotto]

I feel like that's more of a 2027 question than a 2025 question.

[main bramble]

Lol, maybe. 😅

[tulip grotto]

[spiral grove]

Well depends on the way you see things. 😂 abilities not working the way they're meant to is essentially feels like a nerf but then again I also just agree. we need buffs ezpz.

[proper hearth]

pinging both margaret and steven.. surely it will work

[proper hearth]

ye, this javelin hook should be aoe oneshot

[spiral grove]

Nah, I mean I'm still being realistic about it.

[proper hearth]

i would not buff anything util we get ttk adjustment and enchanting changes

cuz those will be a game changer

and then we will also get skill tree overhauls

[spiral grove]

Well true depending on how effective It'll actually be

[proper hearth]

that will also change a lot

[spiral grove]

Tank skill tree specifically or?

[proper hearth]

all classes

[spiral grove]

Ah

[proper hearth]

becuase they want to make option to invest multiple skillpoints into one skill

so the whole power dynamic might change

[spiral grove]

Interesting

multiple skill points into 1 specific skill right?

[proper hearth]

maybe if you put 5 points into wall, it will build whole fortnite castle instead

[proper hearth]

ye

it was the plan years ago and steven said that it still is on recent interview

[spiral grove]

Lmao well 5 points with our current max lvl for 1 skill sounds like a death sentence

Unless that 1 skill is legit a completele must-have-braindead skill

[spiral grove]

😂

[proper hearth]

idk if you read wiki like a year ago, leaked skills had up to 3 tiers

[spiral grove]

I did not no

[proper hearth]

it was something like, lets say snipe deals 400% dmg, if you put another skill point its not 500% damage, if you put another it reduces the cast time by half

etc

[spiral grove]

yeah just mini enhancing the ability

which makes sense, it's nothing new/crazy

[proper hearth]

ye

but might change the whole class dynamic

we have now

[spiral grove]

but with the amount of skill points we have rn

well

I suppose it could make it so that you finally "customize" your own build kind of

[proper hearth]

remember that on levels 25+ you will also invest skillpoints into augments

[spiral grove]

I wonder if those will be seperate points tho

and not actually skill points. or has it been confirmed that the skill points are meant to work for both?

[proper hearth]

im 90% sure that it will be skill points

and that also makes sense, cuz look at current skill tree, how do you want to put 25 more skillpoints into it

we are not getting 25 more spells per class

and the plan is that you will never be able to unlock the entire tree

[spiral grove]

I see

I got you

[glad cloak]

Every time I see someone ping Steven I think they are cray

[tulip grotto]

He answers like 5% of the time

Just need to ping him 20 times

[spiral grove]

Quick maff

[high matrix]

He's more likely to answer random non gaming stuff too

[junior egret]

cage fight: Elon Musk vs @mighty nimbus

who wins?

[daring sentinel]

ask him for his favourite lasagna recipe and then ambush with demands of tank buffs and rogue nerfs. thx

[junior egret]

celebrity death match

or epic rap battle

I feel like Musk isn't specced for rap battles

[spiral grove]

Tank buffs anytime soon?

[rare sequoia]

Is there a certain order i should be doing skills etc for best performance with a mage im super new

[gloomy timber]

ya

[unique wolf]

i still cant comprehend how a level 17-18 mage can one shot a whole party of 20+.. is it hax? or is it imbalances?

[torn imp]

lv10 enchanted gear is bis, probably just someones alt and a proper shatter combo

[unique wolf]

only explanation is full legendary set +10 enchant on all

super imba

[torn imp]

no, you only need heroic +6 for most items to be pretty OP. in a lot of cases legendary adds like...1-2 main stat and 1-3 waterfall stats. +10 also has significant risk of item loss so only insane people would be doing that right now.

[unique wolf]

only insane people? challenge accepted

[umbral seal]

Most people have less than a 5k health pool at level 25, it's easy to 2-4 shot someone with crits if geared. The way gear scaling, gear restrictions and gear enchants work atm props up someone's damage when defenses and health pools arn't being scaled the same.

My 15 ranger with +8 enchanted level 10 gear can 3-4 shot a 25 mage with a shield on. A mage like kaizer with his full on enchanted heroic+ rarity level 10 gear can just spam lightning strike and firebolt someone 3 times and if they're not dead, the burn kills them. This makes it extremely easy to get corrupted with this pvx system when people choose not to engage you. This is just the game's pvp right now.

[umbral moss]

Just for documentation, tested ranger camo today again and confirmed it was not affecting mob aggro range

[clever wyvern]

Fresh 20s with drops vs a 17 with a suit costing north of 500g

Of course the 20s will get stomped

[agile saddle]

The issue is the defenses doesn’t scale with enchanting

So 2 with 500g gear will 3 shot each other

[green charm]

maybe next server will be better

[upbeat ocean]

What's the different advatages between Longbow and Shortbow for Ranger?

Or, well, what are the advantages between them universally?

[barren forum]

shortbow faster animation & finishers, longbow more dmg & dmg on skills

[upbeat ocean]

Thank you, does the shortbow also speed up cast speed on Mage?

[upbeat ocean]

what are the benefits and detriments between Wand and Spellbook?

[static cipher]

Afaik wand vs book is the same argument as short vs long bow.

[upbeat ocean]

many thanks

[gentle ocean]

rogue in ptu yet?

[verbal osprey]

There was a rogue PTR test this past week.

[gentle ocean]

nice

[lofty dew]

Imo they have to get this right, it's fundamental to good test data

The pvp chess is legit only fun combat wise if everyone has trash gear and there are enough interactions

Which should be a guide for intrepid as to how itemization should affect your character imo.

PvE tuning throws a wrench in this though ofc

[ivory estuary]

Is there a benefit for mages to use bow over book or wand?

[mossy jungle]

Penetration stat on short bow and short bow stacks finishers faster

[little lark]

This is how it will feel when rogue releases (Daredevil 2003)

[crystal brook]

Rogue.... Barbie for game boys....

[high matrix]

No no no book also can have is auto attacks bounce which can really suck on a cleric lol

[rough knoll]

Is there any updated fighter guides anyone can link? I look at builds and rotations, and the skill tree is vastly different

[marsh coral]

There aren't really any "builds" in the game yet, since after lvl 12 or so every build will look the same.

Fighter rotation is: build up Momentum -> dump it all on Whirlwind -> build up Momentum -> Blood Fusion + Berserk to sustain and reset CDs -> repeat

Momentum builders are Raging Blitz, Overpower / Brutal Cleave and Battle Cry, as well as auto-attack finishers.

Your fillers are Rupture, Slicing Maim, Lethal Blow, Cataclysm and Leap Strike
You'll occasionally have to use Wollop / Knock Out to interrupt something

That's about it

[brazen orbit]

https://tenor.com/view/daredevil-im-daredevil-she-hulk-matt-murdock-charlie-cox-gif-14383681380470164911

that is not my Daredevil

[brazen orbit]

I'm in my 30s, so definitely not... I just prefer the Charlie Cox version much more than the Ben Affleck version.

[paper gulch]

Okay I haven't put nearly the amount of time into the alpha i was expecting to put but is there still a plan to have 1 handed spears?

[crystal brook]

AoC Wiki

[paper gulch]

ah thank you

[keen bay]

ew no, stop using whirlwind

[spiral grove]

Tank buffs confirmed yet or?

[proper hearth]

we talked about it

[agile saddle]

No it doesn’t

Longbow is like .2 of a second faster to go from nothing to a finisher
Also longbow finisher and deadly finishers are just 1 arrow each, shortbow is multiple arrows each

[spiral grove]

sad

[high matrix]

cleric more important

[maiden hearth]

Hey tanks, do you suffer from E-hook-tile dysfunction?

What’s the cure?

[tulip grotto]

reroll

[upbeat ocean]

With that quest at the start that gives you a few pieces of gear for picking up items on the side of the road and handing in to a strider, which armor type should I go with for Mage?

[clear lynx]

Go back to the aela ruins and get Bizbhug's Robe. Also get the gloves from Nangolith near samia's hope. Then get a couple rings from WyrmWig in Korra Loch

Gloves are easy to get but hard to replace. You can also buy them in miraleth market for 12 silver or less on my market

[upbeat ocean]

and for someone that's only halfway through lvl 6 and just wants something to survive the grind to lvl 10?
And thank you for the info about those pieces, I'll grab those once I can 😄

[clear lynx]

Just have fun and try not to die.
This is an MMO made for the multi-player experience for real.
You can solo things pretty easily once you learn the 2 or 4 actions a creature has.

/global Level 6 Mage LFG

I know lots of people running pick-up groups if they aren't in alliances or big guilds

[upbeat ocean]

Many thanks, I'll give it a go and hope I have a good experience, which is annoyingly rare for me, even more so for the fact that I'm reluctant to socialize at all, due to the times I do ending badly most of the time....
Bah, whatever, griping aside, thank you for the info 😄

[mint terrace]

What weapons do you recommend for cleric, greatsword and spellbook?

[round storm]

I desire summoner.

[high matrix]

Not book unless you are solo grinding. It had a cleve and can accidently pull other shit with it. Main hand is just a stat stick you pull out of you have more than one thing on you at which point you probably want the shield for the defensive stats anyway so find a spellsword (which I like for wound) or some other one handed to go with the shield. If you such to wand in the off make sure you grab an orb and everything but the shield has magic stats

[mint terrace]

Thank you

[carmine stratus]

I desire summoner that uses the undead

[sullen steppe]

Jester. That is all.

[real talon]

For group content yes, solo play I prefer Greatsword and Short Spellbow

[upbeat ocean]

What level are mobs at Korra Loch?

[spare wigeon]

How exactly are you reaching that number?

Shortbow has 0.4s cast time, and combo hit 5 and 6 are both finishers, so:

1. T+0.4s
2. T+0.8s
3. T+1.2s
4. T+1.6s
5. T+2.0s (Finisher)
6. T+2.4s (Finisher)

Longbow has 1.1s cast time, and only one finisher, so:

1. T+1.1s
2. T+2.2s
3. T+3.3s (Finisher)

So shortbow gives twice as many finishers per combo sequence, and takes 0.9s less to do so, with the first finisher happening a full 1.3s faster than longbow?

[spiral grove]

interesting

[agile saddle]

Longbow is 4 arrows for entire finisher

Shortbow is 15 arrows

So shortbow is finisher on the 8th arrow
Longbow on the 3rd
And there is a cast time right there

[spare wigeon]

Gotcha, okay I definitely am a little dumb, didn't have extended finisher on Longbow unlocked as I just recently started using it. Just curious what your Attack Speed is / does attack speed affect cast time of weapon combos?

With those times that puts it at:
Longbow:

1. T+0.9
2. T+1.8
3. T+2.7 (Finisher)
4. T+3.6 (Finisher)

Shortbow:
T+0.3
T+0.6
T+0.9
T+1.2
T+1.5 (Finisher)
T+1.8 (Finisher)

Which still puts Shortbow ahead just looking at cast time. Does the number of arrows actually affect the speed? I assumed leaving it on auto attack it went basically straight into the next cast time immediately, like I have laid out above.

[agile saddle]

Attack speed does effect it
Higher dex to get that attack speed(also sword and focus for melee instead of greatsword)
Also there is a very slight delay between each cast, that might be my latency affecting that tho

[spare wigeon]

Gotcha, I might see if I can record a video of a combo from each and see what the actual start to finish time is just for shits and giggles

[rigid sail]

In terms of support, for this current patch, do you believe bards are more crucial to end game content, or is it clerics with the big d heals

[agile saddle]

yes, mana is a huge need, but also they make everything easier, wether its boosted damage, extra healing, buff shreds, or aoe debuff cleanses

[marsh coral]

Most groups use both, typically 1x Bard and 2x Clerics -- so that if one Cleric dies, the 2nd one can rez.
Cleric is a pure healer with a splash of utility, Bard is pure support.
In terms of being more "crucial": you can still farm semi-efficiently in a group without a Bard, but it's a pain and you'll hate every moment of it.
You cannot really farm efficiently without a Cleric.
( this is for 8-man group content )

[agile saddle]

there are some places you can, just requires the tank to constantly kite mobs instead of taking any hits

[rigid sail]

Like I said Im mostly thinking about raids and such. I love healing but the diversity of the bard seems like a fun challenge so Im just at a crossroads rn

[agile saddle]

play both to level 20, see what you prefer

[rigid sail]

Yeah seems like thats what Ill have to do

[marsh coral]

Play both, most classes start to click after level 12, shouldn't take long

[maiden hearth]

Bards can heal most content if they’re geared enough. I could solo heal Carph if tank doesn’t go crazy at lvl 21 with shit gear. But we do take mana breaks occasionally because I’m forced into cheerful

[agile saddle]

only if the tank does really small pulls, if they do giga pulls like they have 2 clerics and a bard, then aint no way a bard is main healing that

[maiden hearth]

Yeah it’s like 2-3 mobs per pull max

Now that I’m 25 and more geared I’m confident I can heal big pulls but I’m talking about when I was fresh 21

[agile saddle]

also use counterpoint so you can cheerful and pensive at same time

[maiden hearth]

Yeah, but I was forced to stay cheerful for finisher heals when I was that low level so I just stayed with Crescendo

[agile saddle]

ahh fair

[maiden hearth]

Tank died every time I peeled off cheerful LMAO

We were a group of like lvl 19 tank, 21 bard and 6 mages 18-22 in Carph lmao

It was rough man

[agile saddle]

yeh, i refuse to do large pulls as a solo bard and no cleric

after the tank dies he decides he doesnt want to do them either 😄

[maiden hearth]

This was pre-saga change so every time I used my big saga heal I also lost 15% healing lmao

[agile saddle]

i think i only use that saga heal only when with caravans, since its very good at giving caravans pep

[maiden hearth]

Desperate times calls for desperate measures

That was a struggle party

[balmy barn]

Saw your post about weapons for cleric.
I use a magic shortsword and an orb, and a magic shortbow for ranged. Would you recommend swapping the orb for a shiled with no magic stats, but good defense? I havent even seen a magic shield yet.

[sullen steppe]

Will class mixing be available before launch? Like ranger+mage etc.

[nocturne mulch]

they will start working on secondary classes in phase3

[umbral seal]

when 2h axe, 2h hammer and 2h glaive

when machine gun crossbow and boomerang

[carmine stratus]

Not soon enough daddy needs rogue and summoner

[high matrix]

That's fully up to you if you prefer more magic stats vs defense. I use a wand so I have the extra slot so I can run both a shield and orb

[agile saddle]

Defense is useless and doesn’t scale as well as magic power
The block from shield is barely noticeable, but comes with a much larger difference in healing and cast speed

Dps can get enough penetration to ignore all magic and phys defense of non tanks
And becoming as tanky as a tank comes with too large a drawback to healing

[high matrix]

Like I said it's up to what's preferred

[sinful bluff]

30 arrows if u include the shortbow passive (arrowstorm) that shoot an additional arrow at 5% dmg per arrow 😛

[sweet anchor]

i cannot wait wonder if there will be a wipe since last phase for people new people to join before beta

[sinful bluff]

p3 spose to just be new servers but tbh i feel everyone just gonna migrate to new servers anway i

[green charm]

surely

[sweet anchor]

i know majority will from vyra hahahaha hopefully the toxics move to the new server to greif the new players lol

[maiden hearth]

Just play on all the servers

[little lark]

Every day is a filler day without rogue

[ruby fiber]

we got about another week or 2 before the rogue is release i believe maybe longer

[mint tusk]

im happy for the rogue waiters about to have their dreams come true for us summoner waiters we shall stand the test of time until our day is upon us

[twin mason]

Why does the mage class have so few branches in the skill tree compared to the others? I'd figure the mage would have the most. Is mage going to get more elements later. The rock and wind lovers are jonezing

[solid raven]

Honestly, I've wondered if we'll see something like "specs" of a sort in the skill trees. Such as a pure fire mage that capitalizes on Burning/Conflagrate.

[twin mason]

That's what I was hoping for as well. I started out only getting fire magic but then I tried to zoom out and realized I can't just choose an element

[agile saddle]

Doubt they will get more than they already have for elements

Keep in mind the secondary augments will have to be reduced to 4 augment schools
And steven has used flame and teleport as examples
So the other 2 could be lightning and frost

Also we supposably only have access to the first 25 levels of skills and there will be more

[high matrix]

Let me introduce you to cleric .. where there are no real branches

[tight portal]

What class has "branches"?

We have spec bushes not trees right now

[pure iris]

Fake news

[carmine stratus]

Or summoner

[umbral seal]

Summoner gameplay: enters winstead crash

[twin mason]

Summoner doing they're thing by summoning every bug imaginable. Truly the best class and it isn't even fully made lmao.

[carmine stratus]

I pray it's undead and not fluffy shit and bugs

[twin mason]

Ironic given your pfp

Jin woo saying he doesn't want his summons to be bugs when one of his most powerful summons is a literal ant.

I think later during full release it would be nice to have a fleshed out summoner. You can choose between beast, insect, undead, or for funnies hero. Imagine a summoner who can summon fellow adventures. That would be halarious ngl.

[open mason]

Hey pretty new to the game, I was wondering what is the vision for balance between archetypes? Can we expect vanilla WoW type balance with classes filling actual roles or FFXIV where every type is basically the same?

[verbal osprey]

The wiki houses a lot of information about the intended design. What we have in the alpha is what is currently available for testing. https://ashesofcreation.wiki/Game_balance

You’ll likely learn more from clicking there and reading what the developers have said about the vision. But here’s the gist:

“Our balance is definitely more focused around group composition. And when we say 'group composition', what we mean is having present a number of the archetypes; and those archetypes aren't going to stand on equal footing with each other. There is going to be a rock-paper-scissors design when it comes to innate advantages that certain archetypes have over each other; and giving or affording the customization options lets you flirt a bit with where your rock-paper-scissor lines live.”

[mint tusk]

i thihk the base should be beasts and the augments should be how to change them from fluffy to other stuff

[sinful bluff]

https://ashescodex.com/planner

rogue skill tree is up on codex it seems too btw

[carmine stratus]

Bruh jin woo just badass. But I like necromancers and shit

[open mason]

Thank you for the info and breakdown, very much appreciated!

[limpid mortar]

Good thing i got the name 😏

[high matrix]

another week with no mend fix

[rough escarp]

anyone got a good mage build I can view?

[upper star]

I was reading through the character creators explanation of the Fighter Archetpye and it states that they have resistance to magic but I don't see that anywhere in their kit. I'd love to see fighters get more mag resists as it would enable them to dive into group PvP without getting instantly deleted by casters. As of right now Fighters play more reactive than active roles in most larger scale fights; punishing out of position players, flanking and occasionally diving when the time is right. This seems counterintuitive to their brawler style of play and I'd love to see fighters be able to build momentum and stay in the thick of it as opposed to plinking from a distance with a long bow waiting for an opportunity. @mighty nimbus

[elder talon]

Don’t they have a way to escape movement impairing effects? That’s what that sentence says

[cloud gust]

"Hurl a ball of fire toward your target, dealing (250%🢆) fire damage and applying Burning for (100%🢆) fire damage.[7][8]"

"Hurl a bolt of fire toward your target, dealing (125%🢆) fire damage and applying Burning for (75%🢆) fire damage. 3 charges.[7][9]"

I don't understand how burn works - if it's associate with different amounts of damage why does it show up as a single stack of burning on an enemy target?

Like how can Buring(75) stack with Burning(100)

They are different.

[proper hearth]

and a classic steven ping

[high matrix]

its almost liek the class isnt finished

[maiden hearth]

Gasp

Who could’ve thought

[high matrix]

surely not the cleric with mend working as intended

[spiral grove]

Tank buffs confirmed yet or?

[high matrix]

nah need to fix better classes first

=p

[proper hearth]

[spiral grove]

???????????????????????

[spiral grove]

how are you always here when I mention this

[high matrix]

cleric > tank

[proper hearth]

can we talk about how tank can oneshot anyone they choose?

[high matrix]

nah i prefer to talk about clerics needing buffs

[proper hearth]

clerics are the strongest 1v1 class in the game

[high matrix]

shhh they need mend to get fixed still

also targetting in raid is ass

[proper hearth]

but like i said to izzy. I dont think they should touch classes before they adjust TTK

[high matrix]

even margaret during seige mentioned how much it sucked

[proper hearth]

cuz that will shit the balance a lot

[high matrix]

yeah i just want mend to work like it should and to have better targetting options for group healing

[proper hearth]

[high matrix]

i also wouldnt mind conditional opacity nameplates either

why cant we get mend to work D;

[proper hearth]

i want good character models and cool looking armors

[high matrix]

you get that in beta

[proper hearth]

you get that in beta

[high matrix]

yes yes i dream on those so maybe they might give in and fix mend

[proper hearth]

fix the actually relevant classes first though

[high matrix]

you say healing isnt relevant?

[proper hearth]

healers are broken anyway

[high matrix]

in some ways yeah lol

but its literally the first heal

[proper hearth]

in what way they are not

[high matrix]

targetting in raids is ass

like beyond ass

[proper hearth]

just press on the raid frame

[high matrix]

not every skill works with hover casting

[proper hearth]

and then press heal

[high matrix]

you cant tell which people are even near you in large raids

also aoe heals do not work on anyone tahts not in your group ( which yeah sucks but probably intended) which means needs easier ways to target low health people you see

which is why i like the idea of conditional opacity nameplates. can just make it get bigger and brighter the lower they are so you can target them easier than trying to find them on the raid frame since those few seconds probably mean they are dead

[proper hearth]

they raid frame greys out when they are too far

[high matrix]

not very well

[proper hearth]

thats why you divide healers

[high matrix]

yes which is why its a low priority xD

[proper hearth]

wdym not very well

[high matrix]

its not very easy to see the difference enough

[proper hearth]

you have some condition?

accessbility will prob be added later

[high matrix]

no it just sucks balls to see it at a glance

its jsut less bright lol

[proper hearth]

nah mate, its very clear

[high matrix]

you literally have such little time that you dont always check if its just less blue vs blue

[proper hearth]

cleric

bard

and tank

[high matrix]

most healers just look at the less health and try and fill bar

im not the only one that has this complaint lol

its literally miliseconds

[proper hearth]

its the first time i hear it

[proper hearth]

its not miliseconds

[high matrix]

for decisions?

[proper hearth]

yes

[high matrix]

yeah it is in large raid vs raid

[proper hearth]

no

[high matrix]

so you think we have all the time in the world?

[proper hearth]

if you need a second to see if guy is close or not then maybe its a skill issue, idk

[high matrix]

no its i see someone on screen with low health bar, now i have to try and find him on my raid frame cause trying to click on him or tab to him is even longer

at which point might as well not heal

cause they are now dead

[proper hearth]

anyway, ima go to bed. Accessiblity for those who struggle to see colors will prob come later, so dw

but prob not before beta

[high matrix]

its not a color issue lol let me make them black if they arent near me

and that still doesnt help with the other issue on trying ot specifically heal someone you see with low healthbar on screen

[proper hearth]

not every color blindness is problem with recognizing colors, some variation make it difficult to notice the value changes

its fine

[high matrix]

lol

[proper hearth]

to some ppl darker green and brighter green look the same

[upper star]

We have a CC break but severely nerfed since they change Berserk to not have CC immunity during its uptime

[elder talon]

So, yes?

[upper star]

Yes we have a CC break, but Im highlighting the resistance to Magic part, we do not have that.

We lost allot when berserk got changed

[elder talon]

Read the whole sentence. “Resistance to magic that”

[upper star]

We have a CC break we dont have resistance to impede, Snare, etc.

We used to, now we dont

[elder talon]

The CC break doesn’t remove those?

[proper hearth]

@upper starhe tries to explan to you taht your highlated sentence does not talk anything about resistance against magic

all the sentence said is that they are good at breaking through CCs

idk, kits are constnatly changing

and nothing that is now will probably stay

TTk will also change

and taht will change the balance complitly

so i dont think anything should be changed before that

there is a reason why fighter cc imunity was removed from berserk

there was no way to peel him

and you cant kite him out due to thier mobility

• kiting in ashes is just bad

[twin mason]

I noticed that. Mob wise I just use the axe throw as a tank to pull single mobs but as any other class I've played so far you have to use arrows. Everything else tends to pull more than I want

[daring sentinel]

that's probably for the better, with immunity a fighter would be unstoppable in small scale pvp?

[daring sentinel]

yeah, you are getting more reactive armour, and anti-drone system.

[spiral grove]

hot bout damn time

[hearty tendon]

Is there a bar for tracking courage? I have no idea where to find how much I have?

[upper star]

I guess the main prob is that the TTK is too short, once thats increased the brawler playstyle can actualy be a thing

[barren forum]

Taunt tends to pull less then axe throw at clumps, I noticed that taunt can pull vanguard Rowan without his entourage

[static cipher]

White bar fills up around the tank icon on your health/powee/endo bar

[quick salmon]

any new on rogue yet?

[gentle void]

It’s in PTR

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_qJGDVkFg0&ab_channel=GrappLr

[quick salmon]

alright what about new weapons?

[daring sentinel]

Soon (TM)

[solid pendant]

wenrohg

[dry iris]

No

[spiral grove]

Tank buffs confirmed yet?

[sinful bluff]

im still waiting for a ranger change haha :p

pretty much havant been touched since start of phase 1 :p lol

[barren forum]

Why is it so hard for a tank to block frontal magical projectiles, like theres weird movements while blocking that allows you to somewhat block it but its inconsistent, and feels very overpowering for mages to just gain a free option of just never having to deal with their dmg reduced from block.

[barren forum]

As far as I can tell, its something to do with teh tracking element of magic projectiles just not reading as in front of the player on collision. Camera angle matters not at all on blocking magic, and only thing is like moving left/right while in their face holding block but this can still just at times not matter either. Tested vs cleric & sightblade autos and hard to get consistency out of blocking their stuff

[stone citrus]

Hi im new to this but wanted to ask is there any class besides the Rogue that can dual wield weapons like 2 swords or anything besides just a sword and shield or a class with such skill????

[cloud gust]

All classes.

[stone citrus]

OH ok i tried equipping two swords? nothing

[cloud gust]

It’s not available yet.

[stone citrus]

ahhhh

[runic lynx]

any ETA on rogue?

[clever wyvern]

this doesnt make sense - why invalidate the use of focuses by allowing 2 weapons

[agile saddle]

At this rate last month of A2

[proper hearth]

because focus will be like any other offhand, giving different tradeoff than dual wield

[clever wyvern]

not a good answer considering weapons are multiple times stronger than focus/shield

[torn imp]

Offhand weapons appear (from stream previews) to be a separately crafted item that has lower stats

[agile saddle]

The current system for weapons is kinda shit

Your secondary weapon is a stat stick
Weapons you level but don’t have equipped still give the trigger passives
Locked to either physical or magical weapons depending on archetype
Locked to melee weapon as a ranged archetype
Locked to ranged weapon as a melee archetype

Damage of weapon massively outscales defence stats, making defence only matter if you are a tank

[torn imp]

Didn't they fix all the unequipped weapon stuff?
And weapons and armor should have magic/phys types?
I frequently use both melee and ranged on my bard/cleric. Our fighters and tanks frequently use both. Mage doesn't use weapons a ton and ranger is built around their bow

[proper hearth]

i wouldnt look at this like that

stuff will change 10 times

and will be rebalanced 10 times

dual wield is not just putting second weapon in offhand slot

its combining two weapons into one 2-handed item

so they have control over thier stats

[proper hearth]

"Weapons you level but don’t have equipped still give the trigger passives" not anymore

i think its good that its one ranged and one melee

i dont want ranger to go both shortbow and longbow

selecting bow type should be a choice

important decision

not just going both and yolo

[torn imp]

You can swap in combat :p i have both keybound as a cleric. If I'm in any kind of 1v1 shortbow is way better for stacking burning but otherwise I use longbow to stay away from people

[agile saddle]

why do we have a ranged slot and melee slot? why cant it be 2 weapon slots and we get to chose what weapons we equip?

[proper hearth]

can you still btw? it changed recently

you cant equip different weapon mid combat

you have to leave combat

[torn imp]

As of last night it was fine

[proper hearth]

then i think its a bug

you cant swap weapons through inventory

so keybind has to be avoiding "is in combat" check

[torn imp]

Hope it's not.. very enjoyable playstyle for me. I've definitely clicked from inventory this week as well

[proper hearth]

i prefer that itsn ot in the game

i think weapon should be a choice

not just roll with 10 weapons to hotswap

[torn imp]

Runescape enjoyer things i guess lol

[proper hearth]

nop

[snow frigate]

I have a stat question. It says strength = 3 phys power rating. I have 101 strength, but only 270 phys power rating, is this correct, and if so, how does math work, again?

[maiden hearth]

You get diminishing returns at some point iirc

[clever wyvern]

Phys power rating converts to physical power 3:1

101 str = 101 phys power, 303 rating

[snow frigate]

Yes, but I only have 270

[clever wyvern]

That's 270 power, not 270 power rating

[snow frigate]

I don't understand

the only way that I get 270 power rating instead of 303 power rating is if the conversion rate is 2.7:1

hovering over power it says "Rating = 793 = 270" with literally no explanation of where 793 comes from

is there somewhere that explains all of this so that I don't have to bother people?

[proper hearth]

1 str gives 3 rating
weapon give some rating

you have 793 rating

3 rating = 1 power
so you have 270 power

1 str = 1 power
but you can get rating from other sources, most of it is probably from your weapons

[elder talon]

power rating =/= power

1 str = 3 power rating = 1 power

[snow frigate]

So where do I see my power rating stat

and all these other rating stats

[elder talon]

You already found it; you have 793 power rating

[snow frigate]

but what goes into that stat? I still do not understand how 101 * 3 = 793 = 270

793 / 270 is 2.93

[elder talon]

ohhhh I see. Look at your weapons. They have power rating. You might also have gear with raw power rating if you look at it.

[elder talon]

Yeah that’s a little odd, not sure why. I thought it was 3:1 exactly but the math might be funky.

Physical power rating = (Strength * 3) + Physical power rating on gear/weapons

(That’s supposed to be how it works)

[snow frigate]

okay, thank you so much for taking the time to walk me through it

there's no actual information on the internet that I can find

[elder talon]

you’re welcome. IMO it’s a bit of a placeholder system still and it’s definitely confusing.

[snow frigate]

Well they need to not name two different stats basically the same thing?

[elder talon]

yeah resources are scarce but this is the best I’ve got to offer: https://ashesofcreation.wiki/Strength

[elder talon]

if you mean physical power rating and physical power then yeah I think I agree, I don’t know why we have rating exactly

[snow frigate]

Now that I understand the math, it "makes sense," but I am slow and dumb and I just thought they were calling the stats "ratings"

[elder talon]

You’re neither slow nor dumb a lot of us were confused and based on your join date I’m guessing you’re newer here

[snow frigate]

new enough, thank you

[fluid flame]

any tips how equip mage? bis gear or some recommendations

[elder talon]

get gear with int
enchant it

[fluid flame]

every slots have int?
and is it good idea take 20 lvl
and what about weapon, wand and focus or spellbook or shortbow

[agile saddle]

Mouse over them in the character sheet

[agile saddle]

Weapon choice is preference

Shortbow and longbow give penetration or crit
Wands and books give conditions and magic damage increases and cool-down reduction

[twin mason]

I can't wait to get gear that let's me spam cast fireball and combustion.

[agile saddle]

With the way cool-downs work, that’s not gonna be possible 😉

Even at best you can use a full weapon combo to trigger the cool-down reduction on next spell cast, then use fireball a little sooner

[twin mason]

Yea. It was more of a sarcastic comment but it would be funny seeing me walk in and cast discount meteor strike.

[agile saddle]

I’m just waiting for Intrepid to add the rest of the skills for the base archetypes

And all the core passives and augments for skills