i'll keep my 1 button tank thanks
#alpha-two-archetype-chat
green charm
median egret
oh no! Imagine having to press an additional button every 9 seconds
green charm
median egret
You're going to implode once they refine things down the line
limber grove
Don't know if it's a joke or not, but are macros like that allowed? Or several actions done after one button press?
green charm
not allowed
spiral grove
😂😂😂
waxen kindle
The tank discussion for me, isn't "is the tank viable". It's "is the tank fun".
Sure the tank is still viable after the changes but it's far less fun, which means less people will play it.
So if the community is cool with less tanks, then we are all good. I'm still enjoying the game, just with a different class.
rustic elm
It feels meh when both survivability and quality of life drops, I feel like there should be an inverse relationship there but it'll settle in time.
static cipher
Yep. I can live with mashing a buff every 10s, but we need a visual indicator of how many stacks we have and an approximation of remaining duration via the animation would be super
graceful citrus
glad hamlet
yeah and forget about fortify you either have to spam grit or use fortify since both use courage you dont have enough to use both they also reduced mitigation in general i went from 49.7 before update to 41% after update both with grit active
spiral grove
Yep. I can live with mashing a buff every 10s, but we need a visual indicator of...
Yup
spiral grove
yeah and forget about fortify you either have to spam grit or use fortify since ...
It's broken.
spiral grove
The tank discussion for me, isn't "is the tank viable". It's "is the tank fun"....
Tnh
Tbh
unreal wolf
yeah and forget about fortify you either have to spam grit or use fortify since ...
The toggle with courage stack was significantly better.
This was just their answer to courage a resource with no worth while skills to use it on.
spiral grove
Might be slightly viable still but def not fun I think
unreal wolf
Might be slightly viable still but def not fun I think
Tank is not viable threading the needle of grit and fort is tedious while trying to keep agro and cc/reflect.
They should go back to the original grit system with courage stack.
Their reason I believe was courage had no use otherwise.
The solution is original grit (catchy name) and change more skills to use courage so that resouce is not useless.
Having to cast grit 400 times an hour is worse than a 90s arcade fighting game with 1 button.
spiral grove
Yeah, it def is threading the needle. I think they just need to rework the courage system or class resource completely
Even removing it altogether and replacing might be better
waxen kindle
I think tank is probably good if you put a 2h on and become a bruiser. Which you will probably see folks doing
spiral grove
They already have or are working towards that
Defensive skills getting nerfed is very mid
unreal wolf
I have a scientific break down of the direct link between testosterone and GPH on the forums check it out.
spiral grove
Only reason I haven't swapped to ranger or fighter is cuz I don't want to relvl atm
I'll check in a bit!
Out getting dinner
glad hamlet
I have a scientific break down of the direct link between testosterone and GPH o...
guess its a good thing im not male lol my grit should be constant then
spiral grove
guess its a good thing im not male lol my grit should be constant then
Yo. 😂 😭
HAHA
@unreal wolf
This post
unreal wolf
Yo. 😂 😭
drop me a comment and a like if you enjoyed it help spread the word the GPH labs is working hard to decrese GPH waste and over cast
unreal wolf
guess its a good thing im not male lol my grit should be constant then
We have not measured the correlation of hormone and GPH in females yet that is our to do list. We would expect women with low efficient GPH have higher levels of testosterone.
unreal wolf
sacred thorn
post patch class order tank> bard> fighter > cleric > mage > ranger imo
warm hemlock
Rogue>All
unreal wolf
Tank>fighter>ranger>mage>bard>cleric
bard>fighter>cleric>mage>ranger>holding a flashlight for dad while he works on the car and yells at you, paying the electric bill you can never pay off, waking up on time every day, living a healthy life style> stage 4 cancer> Tank
unreal wolf
my mind is a little bit gone if you couldn't tell
spiral grove
Just be a 500phys power tank
spiral grove
Tbh it's pretty bad. I might just make a ranger soon or fighter ig
unreal wolf
I agree it's rough, but I want to tank. I'd rather be a critic and keep spreading awareness than give up. Join me brother don't give up join me in rallying all tanks to put a stop to this injustice
spiral grove
But ughhhhhhhhh
unreal wolf
it supposed to be hard
spiral grove
It's like you've seen rangers/fighters with decent gear and im like
unreal wolf
nothing worth while is easy
unreal wolf
You're a tank, you are a rock made of stone we are here to be the bullwark of pain and suffering for the rest of the classes
it is a nobile thankless profession
spiral grove
idk I normally main DPS but figured I give it a shot
the abilities seemed okay..but like I just feel tank got neglected quite a bit
cohesion of abilities / visually and now these changes
not making any sense at all
unreal wolf
you joined a brotherhood, a blood bond you have to stay. All us tanks must band together and make the changes required to make AOC great again!
spiral grove
😂
barren forum
you joined a brotherhood, a blood bond you have to stay. All us tanks must band ...
Exp debt was a method created to hold us down
unreal wolf
Exp debt was a method created to hold us down
yea now you're getting it
small shuttle
You're a tank, you are a rock made of stone we are here to be the bullwark of pa...
They simply inherited the nerf, tanks were born nerfed
outer sentinel
grit is the single worst change to an archetype ive seen. change my mind.
the courage needed. the relentless buttonmashing on a class that is already tricky at times and then you get almost no tangible benefit from it
unreal wolf
grit is the single worst change to an archetype ive seen. change my mind.
the c...
You just need help from the AOC labs. We'll set you up with the right supplements to get your GPH to acceptable levels.
Anything below 400 GPH is considered average. By the time we're done with you, you'll be pulling a solid 370 GPH or lower.
mossy jungle
I just find it hilarious that the people say that tanks are fine are DPS who would never want to roll a tank cause it's to much effort saying tanks were brainless
It's like make up your mind
molten trout
Where can you get coal
crystal brook
Random chance to get while mining stone nodes I believe
waxen kindle
I grinded RoS all night as a ranger. Our tank died enough times he had to go repair and then died some more. When he was off repairing we just grinded without him and it was fine... Actually he probably just slowed down XP. Anyways he started higher level than me, I ended higher level than him. Rerolling ranger was a great decision.
sacred thorn
Tank>fighter>ranger>mage>bard>cleric
the burst from bards stilll there + uncleansable cc's
trail stump
am i the only one feeling like the tank has been getting over nerfed the last 2 updates? i used to be able to kill a lvl 16 one star bear at lvl 20 now i cant get half their health without getting down to 1k hp but a mage just melts them... am I missing something here? my self buffs feel so useless and having to constantly use grit gets very annoying incredibly fast.
unreal wolf
am i the only one feeling like the tank has been getting over nerfed the last 2 ...
Your GPH levels are off you should get tested to see where you stand
outer sentinel
Lets face it: Tanks already have a rough time in PvE for dying way more then others, and in a response the Devs changed one of the mitigations we did have to a huge nerf that is taxing at best. In PvP we rarely get to shine, and in PvE or PvX encounters the tank is now in a state where a kitefest by a ranger or a surrogate by a fighter with good healers is almost a better composition then having a tank in the mix.
We die more, we lack dmg output and we cannot offer protection or mitigation to the group. Please fix the Tank Archetype or at least undo the grit-change and/or add active mitigation in a different from
torn imp
Anyone else really annoyed with the cleric changes? Have to use so much mana on flash cure and mend is hot garbage. Orbs just fly to narnia and you can't use it with mouseover
unreal wolf
Lets face it: Tanks already have a rough time in PvE for dying way more then oth...
Sounds like you have criticaly low GPH levels. The ideal GPH levels are between 350 - 400. If you're outside that range you should go talk to your doctor and get a GLPH1 injection.
marsh coral
Yo do you guys have any sort of quick "cheat sheet" for BiS gear? Don't feel like scraping AshesCodex rn
glad cloak
What is ur class
marsh coral
What is ur class
For all of them, not a specific one
agile saddle
#alpha-two-artisan-chat might care
molten trout
<#1304126769724522566> might care
Thats where I thought I was thank you
agile saddle
Thats where I thought I was thank you
👍
tropic hull
Is there a way to recognize rare ash trees?
left compass
Anyone else really annoyed with the cleric changes? Have to use so much mana on ...
Too busy being annoyed by nerfs on Bard.
quick pelican
Lets face it: Tanks already have a rough time in PvE for dying way more then oth...
I do lots of damage. kthanks.
outer sentinel
gph is stupid anyway kthx
quick pelican
Okay? I didn't make it?
You said tanks do no damage and have a rough time in PvP. I say they have the second best wombo-combo in the game behind mages.
spiral grove
You said tanks do no damage and have a rough time in PvP. I say they have the se...
😂😂😂
spiral grove
Ran Befallen Forge as a tank last night. Was fine. Didn't die.
Got it recorded?
quick pelican
Why tf would I record a befallen run, shit is second nature now.
spiral grove
What did you do in the run?
quick pelican
The whole dungeon?
Bosses, mobs, you know gear farming. As one does in a dungeon.
Is it a mitigation nerf? Yes, absolutely. Does it make tank unplayable? Absolutely not.
Y'all screaming like the sky is falling is comical.
spiral grove
How many do you pull at a time? How many clerics and bards do you have with you?
quick pelican
Holy shit. The cross-examination to try to prove a point because someone else has a different opinion 🤣
Go reroll. Have fun. I'll continue to 1 shot people in the lawless zones.
spiral grove
Lmao. That's what I thought :) the second you get questioned it turns into go reroll 😬. I'm not asking you to prove your opinion. I was just curious
quick pelican
Multiple mobs. The packs spawn together, like this isn't a hard discussion
Children over here.
quick pelican
1 cleric 1 bard last night IIRC.
I'm not full BiS and not full enchanted, but I do have a few BiS pieces + am enchanted mostly to 4s and 5s where able.
spiral grove
Mixed set?
spiral grove
Nicee
quick pelican
Not ideal mixed.
5 heavy. 1 med, 2 light.
Need to rework a few pieces but waiting on BiS
Just over 50% physical mit + around 35-39% magical mits. Just over 5k health buffed.
That's in mit gear, it goes down for PvP stuff.
spiral grove
I see 🤔
quick pelican
Rock neck is OP.
spiral grove
I'll have a check in a few
quick pelican
Got lucky and got a legendary roll on it which is a giant mit help
I can throw a build planner of gear together if you're interested -- I am much more interested in actually talking through and discussing builds if you're serious. Otherwise I'll just keep meme'n.
spiral grove
Yeah no ofc, maybe we're all just plebbing 🤔 and it's a build diff angle. I do like doing more dmg sure. No1 can say it's not noticeable not having the dmg penalty from grit anymore
quick pelican
and there's this for pvp clips.
first half is fighter.
second half is me on tank.
mossy jungle
I do think that you being in fairly good gear has an impact on what your saying
new tanks and tanks fresh in the new bracket are definitely struggling more
quick pelican
Thing is, I am not in massivley hard to obtain gear. I only have a handful of BiS pieces and they are not fully enchanted.
mossy jungle
yeah but even 4-5 enchants on gear is pretty good
quick pelican
Lots of greens, multiple blues, 1-2 heroics, only 1 leggy neck
Only on jewelry, not on armor
armor is expensive
mossy jungle
ah
mossy jungle
my issue right now that aggravates me is that as a tank in general
as I dont just bail out immediately ona bad pull
pretty much the first to die
quick pelican
Yeah 100%, being the only class to die absolutely sucks. I know some folks even put a tank tax on dungeons 
I'm only 24, not 25 yet, so the XP debt sucks ass.
mossy jungle
which makes it more difficult to make gold
quick pelican
There are a lot of solo glint farming spots that are SUPER easy on a tank.
mossy jungle
are there?
quick pelican
Go grab you a longbow + 2h GS.
mossy jungle
would be great to know
quick pelican
YESSS
But you have to change your thinking to be viable, stacking CON is not the way.
Stacking CON is the worst couple weeks of my life when I first began b uilding my tank
I sat around not being able to do shit because I needed a group.
mossy jungle
but thats the thing I dont tend to want to do solo content I like group conjtent
quick pelican
Then I finally decided to test the DPS build I wanted to since the first patch, 100% worth
quick pelican
but thats the thing I dont tend to want to do solo content I like group conjtent
I do too. I prefer it. But sometimes the folks are not on and you would like to progress.
mossy jungle
when I have my normal group (with my normal healer and not a pug)
quick pelican
It's why I lead a guild, lol
mossy jungle
I could do crazy tanking
quick pelican
🙂
quick pelican
Yeah absolutely, I can do much more with a group of friends. Pugs are always hit or miss tbh.
quick pelican
Before we did 0 damage and took 0 damage, so we just stood like a pillar.
Now we do damage, and take a little damage.
quick pelican
It's not balanced though.
You can't have a class that is only supposed to stand still and not engage with anything
quick pelican
Yeah, that's still needed.
mossy jungle
i love timing reflect
yes but now I gotta keep my eye on this stupid tiny buff
to make sure I grit up
quick pelican
Now, this is also something I need to say: I hate having to press grit every 10s and wish they changed it to a better active option, but active is key, not passive.
mossy jungle
and now I cant use slam or ground pound when its needed
quick pelican
So that's not my argument here.
mossy jungle
we have only 100 courage
quick pelican
I 100% agree they need to adjust Grit to be a different active skill.
mossy jungle
slam is 50
quick pelican
They changed the pound this patch
mossy jungle
ah
quick pelican
Either way
mossy jungle
anyways
quick pelican
I don't have issues keeping courage up.
mossy jungle
but its just not a fun mechanically
quick pelican
Couple things:
Shield Slam + Rush of Courage are two on press buttons for free courage.
Fortify increases the amount of courage you get after using it.
100%
Grit spam is ass.
That's not my argument.
My argument is that I want to encourage them to keep an ACTIVE mitigation rotation, rather than passive.
And people simply arguing that the changes are bad and they should revert, often leads to the devs just putting it back to being passive.
mossy jungle
the thing is maybe keep 10% passive and the other 10% is on pressing grit
quick pelican
And that would be a shame because tank was boring to play for a while
mossy jungle
that way its active
if you want to optimize
fortify sucks now
you have to use the skil that gives 100% courage
and then use it
quick pelican
Or just add Grit to a skill you actively use in your DPS rotation... like shield slam, and add a passive to it for tanking
So you can spec into the extra passive if you want to utilize grit for tanking.
mossy jungle
i mean thats fine by me to
quick pelican
Or some other variation of it, but it needs to be active.
And tied to DOING SOMETHING, not just standing.
quick pelican
You still have to press a button.
You still have to spend resources on that button
The shield slam idea is a terrible one, don't use it.
mossy jungle
yes but arent you normally pressing that button anyways
quick pelican
But my point is just make it active.
mossy jungle
are there tanks that arent hitting buttons constantly
quick pelican
Don't make it a toggle, because I hated toggling on and off to do shit. That was almost worse.
quick pelican
are there tanks that arent hitting buttons constantly
A lot of my tanking is keeping aura up, using block + dodge and managing stamina, tripping when needed to intrupt things, keeping taunt up, managing defensive cooldowns.
Aura is normally 90% enough to keep all aggro
mossy jungle
your using things differently then me im pretty much constantly rotating my skills
quick pelican
And when I am in mit gear, my damage is terrible so there is not real reason to do DPS other than to keep aggro + CC to ensure I don't get hit with big skills.
mossy jungle
aura incite shield into bellow into pulv
quick pelican
Yeah, I can keep aggro without spamming those abilities so I can spend my time focusing on positioning, CCing, using my CDs to stay alive + protect my party, and ensuring I have stam + am auto attacking enough to keep certain finisher buffs up.
mossy jungle
I know there are terrible tanks out there
that i hear couldnt hold threat cause all they do is auto
quick pelican
Oh absolutely. It is not a forgiving class.
mossy jungle
but builder spender like they did with grit was a shit way of desiging it
if grit was a CD
id be fine with it
give it a baseline pasive ammount
quick pelican
TBH, I would like to see them split out our abilities into DPS + Tank passives and let us choose how we want to play.
That way if you are SUPER tanky you can make take more DPS skills, and when you are super young you can take more tank skills.
Allows for a flexible engagement profile for all types of players.
Like, have pulverize be setup as either providing a shield after being used, or auto critting after use.
And then you can add a passive to pulverize that can spec into AoE. So you can choose two points into it if you want to focus on DPS only. Etc.
mossy jungle
TBH, I would like to see them split out our abilities into DPS + Tank passives a...
this i could get behind
spiral grove
Okay so
55% phys miti, 36,5% magic mit
6.2k hp
140 str, 225 Con in my "tank" build
am 7heavy/1light
unbuffed
quick pelican
55% phys miti, 36,5% magic mit
6.2k hp
140 str, 225 Con in my "tank" build
And you feel squishy when tanking? What conditions? What party comp?
lapis gorge
Any bards actually use Cathartic Melody in PvE? Didn't feel like it was doing much for me.
mossy jungle
It isn't that great if you have two bards its pensive and the damage songs not ally
unreal wolf
G
P
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agile saddle
Any bards actually use Cathartic Melody in PvE? Didn't feel like it was doing mu...
It’s great for topping up dps so the clerics can focus the tanks
Cheerful is just better at it and buffs the cleric healing
upbeat torrent
Any bards actually use Cathartic Melody in PvE? Didn't feel like it was doing mu...
I do all the time. It works.
feral plover
TBH, I would like to see them split out our abilities into DPS + Tank passives a...
biggest change for me was simply reconfiguring hotkey layouts in an optimal flow.
outer sentinel
im really hoping the devs will reconsider the Glint Change. the rest can stay
mossy jungle
Glint change?
outer sentinel
Grit, my bad
unreal wolf
Grit, my bad
Have weak GPH levels?
Ask your doctor if a new GPHL1 inhibitor injection is right for you.
Side effects may include.
Sore wrist
Angry wives
A sense of superiority
Osteoporosis
Obesity
Acne
GPHL1 inhibitors are Def not a diabetic medication used off label that cause hormonal issues
tropic hull
How do you guys feel about getting hit for 3.4k from one ability?
Would be nice if the Intrepid team communicated that they are aware/workin on solutions to the current enchant meta
spiral grove
And you feel squishy when tanking? What conditions? What party comp?
Oh idk It's just tanking multiple mobs needing 2 clerics/1bardo for sure.
This is with my str set on though.
I've not really been tanking with the stats my "tank" build up there because well it gets less fun that way hitting like a noodle
spiral grove
Have weak GPH levels?
Ask your doctor if a new GPHL1 inhibitor injection is rig...
Can't believe your whole persona is now bout grit
spiral grove
How do you guys feel about getting hit for 3.4k from one ability?
what has hit you for 3.4k? I still think mages prob crit me the most but that's just cuz MR is so poor and we've got even less defensive abilities rn
10% on indomitable spirit was a big big nerf imo. you can feel it in your max hp and self heal from shake it off
unreal wolf
<a:Kekg:824716815266873426> Can't believe your whole persona is now bout grit
I've dedicated my life to the science of Grit I have a comprehensive analysis of GPH and testosterone levels on the forums.
We are working hard on a new formula to help tanks increase their GPH efficiency without serious wrist damage or GPH caused ADHD due to the high levels of APM required to be a good tank. You won't have to be a Starcraft 2 GrandMaster with 300+ APM once we finish.
unreal wolf
I just made a new emoji to help spread awaness
tropic hull
what has hit you for 3.4k? I still think mages prob crit me the most but that's ...
Cataclism on chilled (or even frozen) targets
Also combos like this:
Just maim + death blow, are disgusting
I shouldnt be able to pretty much one tap lvl 25s
Granted cloth users but still
Im sure players with better gear are hitting even more ridiculous numbers
spiral grove
I shouldnt be able to pretty much one tap lvl 25s
you're a geared fighter?
mossy jungle
what does ttk stand for?
tropic hull
time to kill
mossy jungle
ah
spiral grove
Well It's a known fact that It's p bad right now and can you imagine it was worse in P1 with legendary gear 😂
tropic hull
Well, yeah didnt play for the later parts of p1 but i've heard. I'd love some acknowledgments at least from Intrepid
Okay actually just watched https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjCrIsaoiNE and they mentioned it on recent stream lol
I feel dum
spiral grove
yuh
tropic hull
I wish our blitz actually did this as in showcase. Instead you usually get stuck at the bottom of the hill looking dumb
tropic hull
Fighter one, pretty old
Its very rare you get blitz to work like this
Also look at momentum bar, much more readable. I wonder why they changed it
elder talon
Also look at momentum bar, much more readable. I wonder why they changed it
if it’s the red bar at the bottom that’s where stamina is now
tropic hull
Oh yeah true. stamina is there
Still putting bar around the icon is shitty spot for it
I have my UI set up like this but still struggle to track momentum at times
perhaps full screen would better showcase it
Idk maybe separate bar for the class resource would solve it?
So one can put it wherever he wishes
Similar to weakauras in wow
granite saddle
Granted cloth users but still
Yeah you can tell who has mits and not
But idk fighter feels balanced imo
If I touch them they die if I don’t I die
tropic hull
I mean that's balanced
But is it fun?
For some, maybe
But there is also issue of high healing if we just nerf everybody's damage without touching healing any party with a healer will be invincible
HP bars are blinking 100-25-100-25-100 in matter of seconds
granite saddle
I guess yeah
Fighter is currently dogshit in zvz
Because it has no role outside of being a wounds bot with longbow
If you dive you die
Small scale though I think it’s very balanced
They’ve already said in the last video that they don’t care about ttk in ones and are balancing for zvz
Well livestream not video
Post buff though fighter feels good
tropic hull
Oh yeah, i love the changes
Not having to spend big dmg amp on cc break feels so good
But wallop tripping feels busted
granite saddle
https://youtube.com/shorts/oyu2NL2rCCA?si=JkdzWv7JK0H4T7m6 shit like this is a bit silly though and will probably be evened out
granite saddle
But wallop tripping feels busted
I hit someone for a 1400 wallop
That shit is not fair at all
It’s why I think the class is fine like upper middle of the pack imo
tropic hull
Yup ive seen 2k+ crits with fairly high momentum
granite saddle
Mage > Fighter/Tank (Depends on player) > Ranger > Cleric (DPS) > Bard/Cleric (Healer) for small scale currently imo
tropic hull
What I personally belive balancing the game around zvz is bad decision as most of your everyday encounters are small to medium scale
granite saddle
Tank actually has more burst than fighter with a better one shot combo
tropic hull
Caravans, 2v1s, fighting for resources, contests for rare spawns
granite saddle
What I personally belive balancing the game around zvz is bad decision as most o...
I think they eventually want to shift to larger grand scale fights
Which is fine
tropic hull
What I mean it has to be balanced around both
Even TnL somehow does that with a shitshow of what Flash Wave in that game is
glad cloak
Tank actually has more burst than fighter with a better one shot combo
Too real
tropic hull
Tank actually has more burst than fighter with a better one shot combo
Imagine my surprise when I first fought well geared tank
granite saddle
Imagine my surprise when I first fought well geared tank
You just die
If you don’t know what they do
glad cloak
Tanks want to be better defensively is my understanding and the gameplay of the buttons isn’t great but - idk I don’t play tank
tropic hull
I cant wait out his defensive cds cuz he just kills me within two combos
tropic hull
But so far I only met one tank with high power in a 1v1
Guys that stack const are weak af
mossy jungle
But so far I only met one tank with high power in a 1v1
i really believe these tanks that are high power are twink alts that are geared the fuck out
granite saddle
Tanks want to be better defensively is my understanding and the gameplay of the ...
The thing is they are all currently stacking con and do zero dmg and die. If they stack physical and heavy they can clear shit just fine.
granite saddle
i really believe these tanks that are high power are twink alts that are geared ...
My guild leader has 1 character and is too fucking lazy to get to 25
And can kill me
Stop coping
tropic hull
i really believe these tanks that are high power are twink alts that are geared ...
Not necessarily, you just assume that you have to stack con as a tank
I mean that is pretty reasonable
Without any knowledge of the game
And without resources on the internet
But as of now con/ment scales so bad with defensivnes its pointless
granite saddle
i really believe these tanks that are high power are twink alts that are geared ...
https://youtu.be/7DzKzfraEuk?si=dvwsOyNDD6q3dxOb the second half of that is a 350 power tank at lvl 24 murdering people in 1v1 and 1vX at lvl 25 and I love @quick pelican but he’s a fucking boomer I promise you that class is not bad it’s just being played wrong.
350 power on tank is very achievable and not that hard tbfh
Upgrading all your jewelry + cape to +5 is maybe 2 -3 gold total
So like one or two caravan runs
tropic hull
To his credit he fought very well but these bards were awful terrible
granite saddle
Not necessarily, you just assume that you have to stack con as a tank
It bothers me because people say the class is shit and don’t test anything else.
granite saddle
To his credit he fought very well but these bards were awful terrible
Dps bards with the post nerf hangover 
tropic hull
Hehe
mossy jungle
so you guys are talking from a pvp perspective mainly
tropic hull
Obviously pve in this game doesnt barely exists
granite saddle
I mean he solo tanked forge this weekend with a bard and cleric and solo farms najash and minos in the desert
He can pull slightly worse than me
mossy jungle
id really like to see his gear setup
granite saddle
I can do 3 at a time for najash and he can pull 2
granite saddle
We’ve fucking tried
mossy jungle
I mean thats just really general
i mean like specifically what is he using
and what enchant levels etc
granite saddle
And then he runs up fucking 1 million in xp debt
tropic hull
Stuff that has str/dex or str/con probably
granite saddle
He’s in mostly ashen haunt iirc
tropic hull
Not much to chose from really
granite saddle
Yep
@quick pelican come explain your gear
I’m pretty sure a 400 physical power tank will hit people for like 3k or something but we plan to test next weekend when one of our fighters that swapped tank finishes leveling.
mossy jungle
god im lvl 21 and im sitting at i think 215 atm
are they using 2 hander and long bow?
tropic hull
Doubt, you need 300%+ on skills for that
glad cloak
I think tank has a guaranteed crit somewhere
granite saddle
are they using 2 hander and long bow?
Yes
granite saddle
I think tank has a guaranteed crit somewhere
Bingo
spiral grove
I’m pretty sure a 400 physical power tank will hit people for like 3k or somethi...
I'll prob also try
testing
granite saddle
yeah which I dont think most tanks ever use in general
It’s almost like they have been playing class wrong or something then complaining it’s dead…
spiral grove
just vs diff classes in my guild and see how it goes
granite saddle
He does use shield for pve
spiral grove
Most of them are geared as well so I'll have a better idea
granite saddle
just vs diff classes in my guild and see how it goes
You’ll get fucked by like mage only and that’s if you don’t catch them
mossy jungle
It’s almost like they have been playing class wrong or something then complainin...
I mean i think most complaints are coming from a pve perspective not pvp
granite saddle
If you lose against fighter it’s a skill issue
granite saddle
I mean i think most complaints are coming from a pve perspective not pvp
My basis from tank comes from my guild and for pve and PvP they love the change.
I have not heard a single one complain
spiral grove
If you lose against fighter it’s a skill issue
I mean this is from a 1v1 perspective tho
You're never going to be able to do the same thing 1v2 / 1v3 like a ranger/mage can
I can prob blow ppl up too 
It just sucks hook doesn't work properly would make life so much easier in PvP
granite saddle
You're never going to be able to do the same thing 1v2 / 1v3 like a ranger/mage ...
Tank probably has one of the better 1vX in the game
Mage is probably better
Ranger 1vX is terrible
spiral grove
Tank probably has one of the better 1vX in the game
What makes you say this? 
Just wondering
mossy jungle
Tank has alot of CC
granite saddle
Also the issue with mage 1vX is when it’s pressured by more than one you have to go defensive
mossy jungle
ground pound, bellow, reflect, stun
granite saddle
What makes you say this? <a:aPeepoDetective:421054275561586698>
Tank has such a strong 1v1 with natural defensive abilities that you can in most cases absolutely fucking nuke someone so fast that you can then force a 1v1. I. Essentially tank can do the fighters role in 1VX safer.
You can force a 1v1 quite quickly
In a 1vX
Like mage cleric against tank nuke the cleric in 2 seconds now it’s a 1v1
And you have dumb mits
You aoe buff circle
Wall to force the mage to approach you or LOS them
quick pelican
Sorry, I’m in office today and am unable to keep up with the convo
spiral grove
I wonder if the knockback from charge works now 
granite saddle
Shit you pull sucks but if it doesn’t glitch you can pull them in
quick pelican
Ping me around like 5p est with a tldr and questions
mossy jungle
I wonder if the knockback from charge works now <:peepoThinking:4441433053919969...
it does not
spiral grove
😂 shame
spiral grove
Tank has such a strong 1v1 with natural defensive abilities that you can in most...
I see well I'll be trying some 1v1s out then
granite saddle
Even if it doesn’t knock down
spiral grove
Yeah we're gap closing vs ppl that can blink to narnia and double disengage tho
granite saddle
Play like a crackhead
spiral grove
I think only clerics can't blink
spiral grove
yeah
quick pelican
it like fails 95% of the time
Have to keep spamming it until you’re in range.
spiral grove
tbh play style is more so
quick pelican
It will fake cast before that
spiral grove
Just run them down or get run over pretty much
granite saddle
Yeah we're gap closing vs ppl that can blink to narnia and double disengage tho
Then let them reset and ration
mossy jungle
Have to keep spamming it until you’re in range.
i do and then its on cd
granite saddle
Just run them down or get run over pretty much
Welcome to all the melee dps in this game
quick pelican
Pulverize also teleports and so do shield slam
mossy jungle
this really only happens in xvx though
spiral grove
It either goes through sometimes and doesn't pull them in. or they just spam jump/roll back and it doesn't go on cd but you never get to hook them
quick pelican
Yeah you have to get close enough and I normally dodge toward them then hook
spiral grove
Shield slam is broken as well 😂 there's no way you can use that to gap close ever. it legit brings you back to point of origin
pulverize is fine ig
mossy jungle
Pulverize also teleports and so do shield slam
I have never seen this happen
quick pelican
With the stamina regen abilities you can dodge, sprint, combo and be back
To full stam
quick pelican
I have never seen this happen
I use it often.
spiral grove
I mean it's 4m but it's consistent afaik
if they try running backwards or w/e even rolling
quick pelican
Yup. Works very well.
spiral grove
aslong as you cast before they did. it'll follow the travel time fully
shield slam 
not so much
I wish Tomahawk was nicer 😂
quick pelican
Yup. You just have to cast it right after the trip combo and you’re teleport
I love tomahawk. It’s op
The trip is comical. You can dodge through someone and cast while dodging to get the trip
spiral grove
Vengeance change is p nice. I was watching your vid and it looked p good
dmg wise that is, shield not so much
quick pelican
Veng is op
mossy jungle
I wish Tomahawk was nicer 😂
ive had this work pretty well
quick pelican
It hits for like 600-800 per hit, 3 hits in a row, last hit stuns lol
quick pelican
Just go hang in the zone SE of Miraleth
Lots of folks around there and you can just patrol, harvest, and PvP
spiral grove
tbh I need to get into the habit of using vengeance 😂 watching back some clips from ydays total chaos on Lotharia and I hardly use the skill
cuz It was so non-existent before, holy.
granite saddle
I do not mean to call out tank players but some of the takes I’ve seen in this channel are insane
The class is different it was buffed massively
spiral grove
Dmg wise for sure 😂 I won't deny that. but you can't say we took a hit in the "tanky" department ><
When indomitable spirit got nerfed by 10% on both max health/healing received.
Intercept from 12% on self cas to 10%
Absorption field from 20% to 15% 
tropic hull
abs and intercept nerfs kinda even out with 20x buff to vengeance absorb
granite saddle
Dmg wise for sure 😂 I won't deny that. but you can't say we took a hit in the "...
It could not have stayed that tanky and done the damage it did
It would have been the best class in the game with no competition
mossy jungle
I think thats the hard part right cause this is a PvX game and the PvP is making PvE detrimental to a key core concept of what a Tank is
tropic hull
tank btw kekw
tropic hull
yeah xd
tropic hull
He could also freeze you at least
tropic hull
for a nice shatter combo
spiral grove
but that's the thing
idk if this guy was bad or if he had cs but he was blasting me while I was on mount and used blink to chase
so I think he had ball etc up but yeah
maybe he panicked after he got bopped through shell
😂
granite saddle
tank btw kekw
Dead weak class btw
tropic hull
maybe he panicked after he got bopped through shell
I would lmao
tropic hull
mages have like 4k hp, you took 66% of that in two shots
spiral grove
yeah but It's nice when grapple actually works yunno
granite saddle
d e a d c l a s s
My thoughts on the tank shit is do you want to be useless pull bots and damage sponges or do you want to fucking kill people
tropic hull
Being a dmg sponge is good in pvp, you can make unkillable tanks that interrupt enemies all the time in other games
Issue is here you just cant survive to be that disruptor
mossy jungle
Being a dmg sponge is good in pvp, you can make unkillable tanks that interrupt ...
this is how I would want to play tank in pvp
spiral grove
Right now you got a wall...okay sure, what else you got? a hook that works 10% of the time?
That's how I imagine tanks as well to be
tropic hull
And you get melted if you step slighlty too far
spiral grove
but ppl can't just tab target through see your icon and just be like okay
go next.
like
the only thing they worry bout is a potentially working hook or wall to LoS them somewhat
cursive bone
Balance is just fucked in this TTK, everyone does giga-damage so it’s really just a contest to see who does it most consistently, safely, and easily (Mages)
tropic hull
I mean its actually pretty much balanced
spiral grove
most of them will have 450ish
tropic hull
Everybody oneshots everybody else
cursive bone
Everybody oneshots everybody else
Except some classes do it much easier, safer, and more consistently…
tropic hull
True
I had some funny situtations chasing healers and mages around map
They roll, blink, slide whatever the fuck with rubberbanding and here i am using all my gapclosers into a target that is no longer in that spot
spiral grove
😂😂😂
Only thing that works for us is charge and rolls really
Shield slam is deadge
I wish intercept worked offensively as well 👀
😂 would be dope
tropic hull
I wish intercept worked offensively as well 👀
But in return you take their dmg as in wow
hehe
granite saddle
Mage is the only Class that I feel runs my shit unless they fuck up
spiral grove
yeah 
while I think we have a chance vs them
If you're up vs a good mage that's been PvPing quite a bit
they'll obvs know the class better but MEBBE cuz they dunno how dangerous tanks are now 
we can run their shit
The thing is. If you play longbow for poke at range as they're casting stuff it's rough to survive
also who noticed after the tank changes that when you self cast intercept now it does this weird "charge" animation at the start?
it never used to and it was SO nice
like an insta cast self shield
rather than this weird mini charge
cursive bone
Mage is the only Class that I feel runs my shit unless they fuck up
Good bards Tokyo Drift and ass slide around like it’s Warzone. The laser you like fucking Homelander
There’s a huge difference between the people who know how to move in this game vs those that don’t. Night and day difference especially playing as a Fighter.
mossy jungle
I wish longbows shot a bit faster man
I mean its give and take you want faster shot use short bow (I really like how shortbow feels but i know its suboptimal)
spiral grove
I mean its give and take you want faster shot use short bow (I really like how s...
I KNOWW but no burstyyyyyyyy
mossy jungle
your not wrong
spiral grove
altho tbh the extra dmg longbow gives you rn for in PvE is negligble vs the regen 😂 It's actually insane
I tested last night soloing flamespeakers on the island in tropics and dude
despite having so much phys power. using longbow was rough just cuz of slow it is
mossy jungle
yeah
spiral grove
Only way it felt comfortable was getting in melee range to get my burst out but the way the flamespeakers are it's so crap
mossy jungle
I kinda wish shortbow playstyle was effective as a ranger
spiral grove
the fire bomb spam is dumb as hell
you mean for tanks?
all rangers use shortbows no?
mossy jungle
nope
all use longbows
that ive seen
cause the power rating you get from shortbows is so little
compared to longbow
granite saddle
You can use shortbow
You just have to build for it
And have a crafted bow
So there’s a higher barrier but shortbow Ranger is pretty good actually
mossy jungle
orly?
granite saddle
Just not one size fits all like longbow
granite saddle
If you gear correctly you can get a similar damage profile
More attack speed shit
For shortbow
And you can do some memes
granite saddle
just hit way less hard no?
Yes but you play around the fact you are a machine gun
I’m probably going to make a shortbow Ranger if I ever make my alt
tropic hull
Good bards Tokyo Drift and ass slide around like it’s Warzone. The laser you lik...
@daring sentinel you've been summoned
glad cloak
Shortbow is more dps, but the extended finishers are bleed and snare. And you already have bleed. The shorter range is rough for PvP. The short TTK, means you have to press dodge within the first 3s. Without being able to AA to get arrowstorm up, shortbow is poop. Combined with your most important ability barrage giving infinite rolls to the enemy… yeah.
Longbows extra range, stagger and wound extended finishers are good. When you 100-0 someone in 3-6s, power is king easily. The baseline auto attacks do like 10% of someone’s HP. Bullseye crits help even more with that volatility of enemy hp bars
Longbow is more ability damage so for aoe it’s better in that sense. For short term engagements anyways. Shortbow gets more aa for scattershot. But arrowstorm only affects 1 target so that’s not good.
granite saddle
Longbow is more ability damage so for aoe it’s better in that sense. For short t...
Basically
It’s funny memes if you wanna do solo small scale for zvz use longbow
glad cloak
Also barrage and arrowstorm can’t crit. Which is what dex helps give
Edit- barrage can crit im wrong 
Not managing arrowstorm makes longbow much more relaxed. Especially with how much clearer the animation of the finisher is
torpid loom
Also barrage and arrowstorm can’t crit. Which is what dex helps give
Edit- barr...
Barrage can absolutely crit, look at combat log when you use it
The numbers that appear don't indicate it crits, but each arrow fired can independently crit you'll see it in the log
glad cloak
Well now I feel dumb 
why doesn’t the text turn yellow
I am guessing individual arrows are critting?
Now I am wondering if arrowstorm can also crit if that’s the case
sick dock
Shortbow is more dps, but the extended finishers are bleed and snare. And you al...
Are you NA?
subtle coyote
Are you NA?
I mean he's right that shortbow is better dps 🙂
sick dock
Yes, it’s just a friendly question. That’s all.
glad cloak
I have to finish my longbow leveling still, but I kill Minotaur berserkers in 35s ish with shortbow? 22k hp with the regen, 2 stars
I am in usa/vyra
I’m going to have to edit all the times I mentioned barrage not critting, first time I’ve been corrected for it
daring sentinel
<@308693142851289088> you've been summoned
deep loom
I’m going to have to edit all the times I mentioned barrage not critting, first ...
not only barrage but arrowstorm can crit too
seems like your theorycrafting has been way off, back to the drawingboard 😄
granite saddle
Yes
glad cloak
I was relying on the numbers to turn yellow to show crits. Stuff like bleeds snapshot at the start of cast so idk why arrowstorm and barrage wouldn’t was my reinforcement thinking
granite saddle
People beat me to it, but I was about to say, brother those things can crit
glad cloak
If I wasn’t in here talking about stuff I would’ve never known, thanks guys
deep loom
what is your gear like btw? cause for longbow to be anywhere near as good u need to be geared out of your ass. unless its a complete zergfest then i understand using a longbow
glad cloak
400 power unbuffed. Like I said Shortbow is more dps and longbow better pvp
But this is my impression, I am not a mather
If the person you are fighting doesn’t know to press dodge during snipe or barrage then well, that’s a different case
elder talon
burst is always going to be better in PvP pretty much and extended range has always been better too
not a shock that longbow is bis
deep loom
burst is always going to be better in PvP pretty much and extended range has alw...
shortbow has more burst
elder talon
shortbow has more burst
how
deep loom
cause arrowstorm doubles your barrage dmg and then u double scatter and all the arrows from scatter count towards arrowstorm
elder talon
i don’t understand how you’re using barrage in PvP
daring sentinel
cause arrowstorm doubles your barrage dmg and then u double scatter and all the ...
dont say it too loud. Intrepid might count to 4 and take your toys away.
deep loom
dont say it too loud. Intrepid might count to 4 and take your toys away.
i already told them that arrowstorm is bugged 😄
meager shuttle
i don’t understand how you’re using barrage in PvP
you proc arrowstorm then use mark into barrage
or double barrage
enemy dies
elder talon
enemy dies
if they don’t have 50 stamina sure. if they have 50 stamina you just cc’ed yourself.
and it doesn’t even cost them stamina because of the interaction between barrage and the roll talent
deep loom
if they don’t have 50 stamina sure. if they have 50 stamina you just cc’ed yours...
u can swap targets mid barrage.....
glad cloak
You can still dodge roll while rooted I believe, I have had cases where I spam dodge for 3s straight
glad cloak
Swapping targets is good, I don’t usually get the option to get arrowstorm up
Do you guys get a lot of front to back fights? Usually it’s all ins spam aoe within the first 5s
meager shuttle
crypsi leak EU tactics? 🤔
deep loom
if youre zerging then yeah most fights are mostly aoe bombs, but if youre hunting caravans and doing smaller scale shortbow just blows longbow out of the water
deep loom
crypsi leak EU tactics? 🤔
nothing to leak its all over the clips 😄
elder talon
yeah i’m willing to buy that shortbow has some nice upsides in 2v2 up to 4v4 or so
meager shuttle
if they see and study those
elder talon
i do think arrowstorm barrage requires some setup to work against competent opponents
deep loom
its fine they are NA we will never fight them 😄
glad cloak
People die so fast though, and I still don’t feel arrowstorm getting up reliably. I gotta dodge within those first 4s. But longbow I can snipe 2x charge into headshot kill most people
While starting from further away
elder talon
so maybe it’s cleaner to say that longbow has more consistent higher burst and shortbow has more consistent DPS and inconsistent very high burst
glad cloak
If everyone had 2x hp I’d feel more comfortable going up with Shortbow
elder talon
the “consistent” burst being landing spells or finishers being higher single packets of damage as longbow
meager shuttle
you can snipe into headshot with shortbow pretty reliably as well depends on your gear tho
with people dying i mean
glad cloak
I should’ve clipped but me and another ranger with longbows double sniped and killed shatter within .8s 100-0
deep loom
thing is u can charge your arrowstorm on a tank which is in front, and then u melt a mage in a back in 2 seconds 100-0
meager shuttle
and you can proc arrowstorm more than some people expect
usually you have some tanks facing the front
glad cloak
I’ll try Shortbow again, but longbow is the comfy option
meager shuttle
i dont dislike longbow but currently with arrowstorm being the way it is shortbow is for the most part the better option
best case scenario you use both
elder talon
yeah i mean this is definitely all interesting and i appreciate the perspective
seems like shortbow has a higher skill cap
glad cloak
I think it does yeah
elder talon
i do hate giving up the range though
the range feels very important in bigger fights but maybe I’m mistaken
meager shuttle
if ur poking sure but usually you try to get a good root and roll in to aoe them down
deep loom
the range feels very important in bigger fights but maybe I’m mistaken
problem is it is only AA range not skill range
once u are in skill range shortbow can AA too
elder talon
right, it feels valuable during the baiting/waiting phase of the engagement
deep loom
just look at those numbers and thats without double scatter that i still have after 😄
thats a dead mage
glad cloak
We have a lot of focus targets going on rather than each person picking targets. I did forget that target swapping was an option mid barrage. But people want to focus down targets rather than spread damage.
Anyone who sits up to be in range to AA prep gets focused or tank pulled from my front to back experiences
The focus target rollling 5x back out of range
meager shuttle
that sounds like bad grp fight tbh
glad cloak
Roots are for shotcaller to use when reasonable
I will have to look for clips, idk if I can believe that people aren’t spamming dodge
Most of the group pvp is big Zerg with diving though instead of front to back. Maybe 5s posturing, but never staying in AA range
deep loom
big zerg 40v40 u can play short or long both have advantages and disadvantages its hard to tell but small scale shortbow for sure
mint tusk
hey guys i was wondering ive been reading through the fighter class skill tree i was wondering do all of the skills specifically require a melee weapon to use? or is it possible to use a longbow with some of their skills? i imagine things like cleave requires a sword and same for whirlwind. but what about lethal blow rupture and maim those all seem like skills that could be used with a longbow if you wanted
mostly wondering if anyone has tried this out?
glad cloak
If you have a bow it will swap to your sword, I think you get a message that you need a melee weapon
deep loom
hey guys i was wondering ive been reading through the fighter class skill tree i...
all the abilitites u use will swap to a sword when u use them
elder talon
you get two weapons and one of them has to be melee but it’s very easy to swap back if you want to
you wouldn’t want to but you could
what do you have in mind that you want to do
mint tusk
i just had an idea for a character and ranger just feels a bit too mobile and squishy for the playstyle i had in mind i was trying to brew up a character that is more of a stationary turret type dude moderatly tanky with slow heavy hitting ranged attacks
elder talon
i just had an idea for a character and ranger just feels a bit too mobile and sq...
have you been following the game enough to know how the dual archetype system works?
elder talon
ive been looking at videos since christmas and playing since Feb 1 2025
gotcha. so it’s not in yet, it’ll start to get added in the next six months. but the basic idea is that at level 25 you add a second archetype and become a hybrid of the two. the one you start as at level 1 is your primary archetype and can’t change and then your secondary archetype can be changed with some effort and modifies the primary one.
what you’re describing sounds like it could be Ranger/Tank, Ranger/Fighter, Tank/Ranger, or Fighter/Ranger
mint tusk
gotcha okay so their is hope
elder talon
The first secondary archetypes to get added are supposed to be for the tank and cleric classes. So if you want to gamble you could play a tank and then see about going tank/ranger. I dunno exactly when we’re supposed to see the secondary archetypes (and I know they’ve said cleric/tank are first but idk if that means clerics and tanks get second archetypes or if everyone gets access to cleric and tank as their secondary archetypes)
Anyway there’s really only one class that’s designed to use a bow and that’s Ranger so I’m 100% sure your vision involves Ranger as one of the two archetypes
unreal wolf
A Ranger with high GPH efficiency is going to be crazy. 
mint tusk
ive just gone and looked at all the secondary archetypes stuff they have on thier website and my nostalgia gamer mindset says i must go summoner/cleric when it becomes available xD
glad cloak
Idk if ranger people are still around but - STR > dex I am 98% sure
elder talon
Idk if ranger people are still around but - STR > dex I am 98% sure
yes but there are some caveats in that the stats scale with each other. e.g. if you have 300 str and 50 dex, dex has more relative value than it would if you had 200 str and 150 dex.
elder talon
critical power is the #1 stat people are sleeping on. it doesn’t waterfall from any primary stat and is a huge damage and burst boost.
sacred willow
critical power is the #1 stat people are sleeping on. it doesn’t waterfall from ...
it has literally the worst scaling
elder talon
https://tenor.com/view/huh-heh-interesting-confused-confusion-gif-22475884
if your attacks hit for 1k then 1% more crit and 1% more attack speed = 20 more dps. if your attacks hit for 500 then 1% more crit and 1% more attack speed = 10 more dps. ergo, the more power you have, the better dex becomes. this match is oversimplified obviously but you get the point.
elder talon
it has literally the worst scaling
what do you mean?
sacred willow
what do you mean?
rating to crit damage
elder talon
rating to crit damage
with how high crit chances get I think the stat is still very strong. It’s not that hard to get up to 40+% character sheet crit and then also have your weapon proc bonuses.
jaunty bone
critical power is the #1 stat people are sleeping on. it doesn’t waterfall from ...
Many of the artisan clothing items, add to critical power.
granite saddle
Here are the shortbow numbers one of our guys got testing them this week with shit gear
quick pelican
Ok. Fuck 300+ messages
Yall degens chose the day I was at the office.
TLDR on tank discussion please. I’m not reading it
unreal wolf
TLDR on tank discussion please. I’m not reading it
let me give it to you short,
we have an epidemic of low GPH and we are convening to find a solution to increase the GPH of tanks.
granite saddle
TLDR on tank discussion please. I’m not reading it
People have stopped coping and seen the light
quick pelican
Ah yes. Good.
I did see where you said I’d kick your ass in a 1v1 so I’m glad you saw the light too @granite saddle
spiral grove
unreal wolf
People have stopped coping and seen the light
Once everyone accepts GPH we can all move on with our lives. GPH is becoming a culture shock and I've heard rumors of a group filling for a religious tax exemption.
This movement is very strong.
shut niche
Once everyone accepts GPH we can all move on with our lives. GPH is becoming a c...
Can you explain the GPH movement to a non-tank?
median egret
Can you explain the GPH movement to a non-tank?
Instead of 1 button every 15 sec, they now "need" to press another every 10 seconds as well
unreal wolf
Can you explain the GPH movement to a non-tank?
They changed Grit out primary skill to not die from a passive you have to activate and gain more mitigation for how much courage you had to a 10s double stack.
so you have to cast grit twice to get the same mitigation, it has a 10 second duration. This mean you have to cast Grit at least ever 9.9 seconds or you die, even with Grit you die you need to some how get enough courage to also cast fortify.
Our crack team quickly go to work and using a form of quantum physics and molecular biology created a formula to measure GPH.
What is GPH?
Grit
Per
Hour
If you are a top tier tank who always hits that 9.9 second benchmark not only do you have the testosterone levels of a rhinoceros, but you also have carpal tunnel.
3600s = 1 hour
9.9 second = Sigma male tank
3600/9.9 = 363.6363 Grit per hour or GPH
The TLDR summary is they changed the skill to be a tedious and a mind numbing buttons mash, while also making tanks even more fragile.
@bitter grotto @shut niche
use the new Emoji I made to spread awareness of our new GPHL1 injection
green charm
Illegal grit macro users get out
unreal wolf
glad cloak
I got my tank to lvl 4 and decided to delete it
green charm
they will fix it with this patch
marsh coral
they will fix it with this patch
unreal wolf
I have obessed over grit so much it doesen't even sound like a word in my head anymore
sign up for GPHL1 injections here
old lynx
BASED. If you can't deal with a 1 second grit duration, you're not a real tank. Skill. Fukkin. Issue.
unreal wolf
damn straight don't be a soy jack tank be a sigma tank
tropic hull
it has literally the worst scaling
I would respectfully disagree
It has very good scaling IF you have high crit chance
Especially with finishers being basically guaranteed crits most of the time(on longbow for example)
Or skills with buffed crit chance like death blow
Basically for me its much better to take crit power nodes rather than armor pen since i mostly target cloth classes which have like 15-20 maybe 25% phys mit which gets reduced by my natural pen from str and lower passives and shaken
There is no point to add another ~15% from the big nodes
violet thunder
Hi all. New to game and was wondering if there is a specific class/archetype threads or channels?
quick pelican
Hi all. New to game and was wondering if there is a specific class/archetype thr...
This is the channel for it. Just start asking questions.
granite saddle
Fuckin hell
outer sentinel
the gph meme is just an indication of how bad the mechanic is
unreal wolf
the gph meme is just an indication of how bad the mechanic is
yes I have changed my entire identity as a person to GPH.
good news our second Gif is now on Tenor and can be found on the discord gif search.
median egret
the gph meme is just an indication of how bad the mechanic is
It's an indication that some people are incapable of pressing an additional button every 9 seconds after having to adjust their entire lifestyle to only press one button every 15 seconds.
Having to press it is just an l2pissue, but if you've followed the discussion the gph meme is someome who have tetanus and/or a keyboard with only one key, the other are more about tank in general who wants it to be a dps while also not taking any damage.
spiral grove
barren forum
It's an indication that some people are incapable of pressing an additional butt...
yes pressing a button every 9 seconds for as long as you play tank is any content, sounds like an enjoyable mechanic. The skill ceiling is low, the cast animation is really short but it really has a bad feeling to it. If a class mechanic feels bad to use in response less people will play that class
spiral grove
Tbh pressing the button isn't even an issue. pressing it twice when it has no animation with how short the duration is and the stacks is VERY poorly to see visually is just annoying.
Less of a skill issue more of an annoyance imo.
median egret
So pressing it is not an issue except for the tetanus guy.
I agree that it's poorly visually, but that's not an issue with the skill or the class, that's an interface issue.
Bard had the same-ish with resonance stacks, and that got some love (although I don't think it was wisely placed), so why not advocate for the same, or better, solution with grit, or even the entire buff bar in general?
tight portal
Doesn't bard just get resonance from pressing pretty much any button?
twin mason
Can't you set up macros or something to make continuous presses or would that boarder cheating?
spiral grove
So pressing it is not an issue except for the tetanus guy.
I agree that it's p...
Idk how big res stacks were for Bard but when our mitigation relies heavily on the upkeep of grit idk 
and even then it doesn't make sense to tap that button twice every x seconds just cuz the duration is so poor
meh
median egret
Idk how big res stacks were for Bard but when our mitigation relies heavily on t...
Iirc you just need to press it twice to get to 2 stacks, and then once to refresh it.
Imo, biggest issue is tracking it because the stqck number and duration is ontop of eachother, making it an interface issue and not an ability issue
spiral grove
Yeah
But even then would it really kill them just to make it, idk a 30sec duration or something 😂 I'm not one that cares whether I got to spam a button or not. It's just...boring If that makes sense
granite saddle
Can't you set up macros or something to make continuous presses or would that bo...
Bro just press the button
median egret
But even then would it really kill them just to make it, idk a 30sec duration or...
They could add a duration from the talent as well
spiral grove
True
Although removing the slam knockback passive and replacing it with existing supernatural grit was kinda scuffed
lol
twin mason
Bro just press the button
I do. However that didn't answer my question. I don't play these games and aoc is my first mmo rpg. How about actually adding to the convo instead of some copy paste answer like "just press the button."
Please
granite saddle
I do. However that didn't answer my question. I don't play these games and aoc i...
Setting up an auto macro to press the button is probably on the bannable side since it would give you a competitive advantage to those not doing that
twin mason
Setting up an auto macro to press the button is probably on the bannable side si...
Thank you. Sorry if I seemed angry there.
granite saddle
Thank you. Sorry if I seemed angry there.
You’re fine
It would be like fighter setting up a macro to always trip after brutal cleave/overpower
median egret
Although removing the slam knockback passive and replacing it with existing supe...
I'd like to see a shield talent tree as well to better help with the lack of mitigation stats.
Like give us magic mitigation shields and phys equivalent, but they're more focused on respective mitigation areas. Simple solution without risking bricking statscaling further
twin mason
I see. Definitely see people's grips with short buff times then. But it is just an ability. I think I need to switch to fighter because I seem to be more focused on dps than stopping hits. I'm also playing solo rn.
spiral grove
You're playing tank solo as dps atm?
twin mason
Kinda. I'm a newbie so I have like 4 abilities that hit hard and 1 that helps blocking
I choose tank cause I couldn't stop dieing with any other class lol
Tbf I only tried archer and mage though
spiral grove
🤣
Well considering the fact that you said AoC is your 1st mmorpg there's definitely a bunch of stuff you'll have to learn over time
Tank is arguably the worst class to try solo level with. You realistically shouldn't even bother with it. just try use the /global chat, LFG for your level and ppl will pm you if they need a tank which they most likely will
Mage prob does it best and then ranger > fighter
You can't really "stop" hits in PvE. sure there's active blocking that eats up your mana but you don't go about it that way
twin mason
100%. I only learned the button to dodge on my second game session. And I'm just now using a mouse with keybinds.
spiral grove
😂
Oh to be a fresh gaymer 
before you know it you'll be calling and setting up your group pulls that is if you stick to tanking
upbeat plover
as a first timer i enjoyed ranger late last phase and cleric this phase
spiral grove
Nice!
median egret
Tank solo farm:
Step1: get a shortbow
Step2: find a slow, or kitable elite
Step3:??
Step4:go bald
twin mason
Probably. I'm lvl7 rn. Base gear. So we'll see what happens
spiral grove
Step 3: auto attack for life 
median egret
I actually solo grinded that way when I was leveling from 10-13, just killing the 3 star zombies at mira
twin mason
Stars? OK I have a lot to learn lol
spiral grove
If you look at the nameplate of monsters, It'll show you a normal one > 1 star > 2 star > 3 star
twin mason
Ah
spiral grove
It gets harder the higher the stars and they're called elites
They typically give you way more XP too though cuz their health pool is massive as well
Solo grinding is doable If you've got some knowledge from P1 😋 doing it as a fresh newbie it's rough
Take it easy 
you'll figure out a lot on your own and what you don't you can always ask here, if you're curious or anything
twin mason
If I'm gonna learn, might as well throw myself into it full send.
twin mason
I'm sure I'll find a group soon though
barren forum
Can't you set up macros or something to make continuous presses or would that bo...
when you consider macroing something, its a poor design. I just think its too necessary overshadowing still 90% of a tanks kit
granite saddle
I choose tank cause I couldn't stop dieing with any other class lol
Don’t play fighter then
Say this as a fighter main
Tank is more forgiving
elder gulch
Bro just press the button
spiral grove
unreal wolf
It would be like fighter setting up a macro to always trip after brutal cleave/o...
Why you can code macro in WoW directly in the wow interface.
There's documentation on obj calls and functions.
twin mason
Well because that's wow. Aoc isn't wow
granite saddle
Why you can code macro in WoW directly in the wow interface.
There's documentat...
I don’t play wow and hate my self and have no clue what this means
unreal wolf
I don’t play wow and hate my self and have no clue what this means
You write a. Script that says do this then do that
granite saddle
Yeah thats wack
unreal wolf
Then wow provides the documentation so you know what commands and objs to reference
Lol that's kindergarten
median egret
Yes, but you still have to press it yourself.
unreal wolf
Now cheating is using map data for xyz and a pixel edge detection event handler to control placement and position.
Aka a bot
granite saddle
Idk I usually play action mmos so that sounds extremely lame
Just press the button
Idk
twin mason
I think it's diffrent cultures and rules. With aoc it's player based gameplay. Having macros would make pvp more automatic. And it would more easily allow botting
granite saddle
It’s not that hard to hit a button
median egret
granite saddle
If you have to macro the fighter combo I’m convinced mmos are not for you tbfh
It’s 2 buttons
shrewd orbit
https://tenor.com/view/gph-aoc-gph-grit-grit-per-hour-gif-6524913673043713953
I'm stealing it 😆
median egret
Lazy people who can't press a button, I'd be surprised if you've actually leveled high enough to unlock the skill
unreal wolf
Every top teir mmo player is using macros dude
wooden ore
Anyone else feel like Mana Regeneration Rate on items only works out of combat?
granite saddle
Every top teir mmo player is using macros dude
*in wow
unreal wolf
All it is is combining a few skills or something like that
twin mason
It's not it's just a quality of life thing. No one wants carpultunel halfway through the game because of repeated presses every other second. I don't mind it because I already have thoughs issues from playing phone games. I just see why people complain.
unreal wolf
Yes I had so mamy macros on my tank in wow
median egret
Every top teir mmo player is using macros dude
No, they use weakauras
unreal wolf
You just make your own if you have even the tiniest grasp of coding it takes 5 minutes
unreal wolf
I'm stealing it 😆
Please do spread the word.
Search "GPH" I upload them to tenor so you can use them in discord.
median egret
Yeah, sounds about right coming from the guy who lied about his accomplishments on cata and who didn't know which ability that healed you as bdk
granite saddle
Yeah so anyway if you can’t push two buttons on fighter to do your basic combo do yourself a favor and refund/unistall this I have a better game for you
unreal wolf
80-90 percentile I call that good. But if not then we can disagree.
Wait I have to ask, to the decenters are you even tanks?
median egret
Your damage log was from the same boss, which was halfus in bot, and even thay number was on the lower end
granite saddle
Wait I have to ask, to the decenters are you even tanks?
I started leveling on after the buffs
unreal wolf
Like I said I never cared about dmg it was all about self heal
median egret
Also on the lower end, lol
unreal wolf
Sure if you say so are you a tank in AOC?
median egret
Yes
unreal wolf
What level?
median egret
23½ ish
granite saddle
This is the second convo I’ve been in on this discord where someone quotes their wow stats like anyone fucking cares
unreal wolf
And you have no issue with 360-400 grits per hour?
spiral grove
WoW 💀 meme game.
median egret
I have no issues clickibg a button every 9 sec, no
spiral grove
Idc if you're a world first server raid first killer. That game is ass 🤭 moving on
unreal wolf
You're the first I have met this far.
spiral grove
I mean just set it to your side button on your mouse and thumb press it on cd
granite saddle
WoW 💀 meme game.
Real
spiral grove
Again. Idc about spamming a skill. It's just not a fun skill to use nor to spam 247 really that's my two cents
granite saddle
I mean just set it to your side button on your mouse and thumb press it on cd
Too hard
Have to macro it
spiral grove
I wish the effect looked cooler or just did something more
granite saddle
Too much brain power for the average tank
spiral grove
Instead the interface is scuffed for it
unreal wolf
Some GPHL1
spiral grove
Too much brain power for the average tank
😂 maybe it's cuz I always play DPS
I'm sure/optimistic they'll at least change it for the better. Whether through interface or skill itself.
I just hope rather sooner than later
unreal wolf
I would be surprised if they don't rework grit it is very tedious.
It is just fortify with extra steps so they made Fort pretty much null
median egret
Maybe we can start a fundraiser and get gph an additional key for his keyboard
spiral grove
They said that but fortify still works based off of courage consumption tho and scales with it 😬
Same with slam still being 200% rather than 175%
Idk if some changes didn't go through or are just tooltip mistakes
So yeah
I just feel like it's half baked 🥲
median egret
They said that but fortify still works based off of courage consumption tho and ...
Huh? Didn't scale off the consumed courage for me, at least not when Iook at my stats
median egret
10%
unreal wolf
They overlap too much fort and grit are almost identical.
median egret
I'll have to do the same, because when I saw it I just decided to use it when I was at low courage
median egret
Same with grit, 2nd for me isn't adding 10% to my current values, but rather old one
spiral grove
Same with grit, 2nd for me isn't adding 10% to my current values, but rather old...
Well some1 did say grit is multiplicative and not additive so phys miti for 2 stacks isn't 20% but half that(?) And not 10% magic miti but 5% so...
spiral grove
It overrides
median egret
F
spiral grove
Snapshot(?)
sudden quiver
Mages, what weapon/weapons are you using and why?
median egret
Get bunch of mit ->gritx2->lose og phys mit but still keep the higher value from grit
unreal wolf
granite saddle
median egret
Not fair, only one here have devoted his life to advocate for passive tank gameplay
mint tusk
i too prefer passive tank
as i am bad at the video game so i simply die when required to do things actively
either that or just wait for summoner so my minions can be good at the video game for me
unreal wolf
Idc if grit is passive or active, it's current state is the issue.
median egret
either that or just wait for summoner so my minions can be good at the video gam...
Inb4 summoners need to press a button every 10sec.
old lynx
TANKS
Are any of you using a 2h weapon?
How's it going? Are you getting planked?
unreal wolf
2h better than 1h mace generates more courage at least for me.
My only issue is holding threat with large pulls.
flat shuttle
Just 1h mace energy focus offhand right ;)?
versed viper
So when will Intrepid rename this channel to Tank Archetype Chat and make 7 more for the rest of us?
twin mason
Can you use just 2 shields as a tank? Just play as a guy standing and shouting to pull aggro. Leave all the damage to fighter and mage
shrewd copper
unreal wolf
So when will Intrepid rename this channel to Tank Archetype Chat and make 7 more...
Tanks are the most dissatisfied, I am not the only one I am just the loudest.
twin mason
Are there any other problems with classes than how many times you have to press a button?
unreal wolf
Are there any other problems with classes than how many times you have to press ...
if you are hitting Grit perfect and not missing any casts 363.6363 GPH
every 9.9 seconds
There is a lot of nuance to the issue it is not just Grit
carmine pike
why are people even talking about pve?
this is a pvp game
in pvp you get courage starved and cc'd, so grit will not be active for most of the time
right now tanks only have a 5% dmg reduction aura
shields only reduce dmg by 3-4%
sudden quiver
I hope secondary archetypes will include a cc magetank
maiden hearth
Here’s the thing tho, I imagine tank would be really OP as the secondary archetype, so I don’t know if balancing for it right now is even good for the game since the future archetypes are so wild
versed viper
Here’s the thing tho, I imagine tank would be really OP as the secondary archety...
Cleric/Tank 😍
glossy mauve
Anyone have a good tank build? Can’t find anything updated on the tube.
twin mason
Tbf any secondary archetypes would be broken. Tank cleric could take on waves healing itself and pulling aggro. Mage bard could buff himself to oblivion and cast massive damage. Archer rouge could snipe then leave and have good close range ability in cases where you can't avoid close range.
glossy mauve
Oh shit my bad didn’t see all the tank hate up in here. Let me rephrase. Anyone have any good mage builds now that shatter is shit?
twin mason
Lol. Guess you didn't want to step on that landmine.
glossy mauve
Nah I’ll figure it out on my own. Was given the lovely responsibility of being the tank for my friend group. But I solo with my mage and I used shatter before the nerf.
twin mason
I see. I haven't played mage yet so I couldn't tell you. And I'm a newbie so I probably wouldn't tell you even I I did play one.
Sorry
glossy mauve
I can respect that. I’m also a newbie so I’m no better.
No worries friend! Gotta learn some how.
twin mason
I play tank but I haven't found a group yet. Lvl 7 with basic armor
First class I played without dieing to grems off the bat
glossy mauve
There are 5 of us that are new. And one of our friend groups is in Genesis. (A big guild on Vyra) So he helps us out a lot.
If your on Vyra your more then welcome to group with us and chill.
twin mason
I'm in eu server because I live in korea. So it's the best ping I'll get.
glossy mauve
RIP
twin mason
Idk which one that is
glossy mauve
It’s NA sadly lol.
twin mason
I've been wanting to try out fighter. Unless yall want a tank I can probably swap over after the servers open again.
glossy mauve
I mean as much as I’d enjoy another group member I’d find it hard to play on high ping. Especially PvP.
twin mason
Fair. Guess it depends on what it looks like when I try to play. If it's playable then I'll try. Send me a wave in dm if your open to at least trying
glossy mauve
Yeah for sure. Can do!
digital mantle
Nah I’ll figure it out on my own. Was given the lovely responsibility of being t...
If you have gear spec only intimidating aura and afk until dps kills the group. If no gear spec into grit and fortify and count the gph and use intercept, something hand and indomitable spirit as needed
frozen condor
Do we know if the archetypes are basically giving some of the secondary skills to the primary class, or more of a reinvisioning of the marriage between the two?
versed viper
Do we know if the archetypes are basically giving some of the secondary skills t...
You only get skills from primary archetype. Secondary gives you augments to use to modify your skills based on 4 schools of magic specific to that secondary archetype.
frozen condor
oh. That could be better than I was envisioning.
versed viper