alpha-two-archetype-chat

[umbral seal]

exactly, where are the bard and cleric nerfs

one guy made a youtube vid showing bard resonance auto attacks doing massive aoe dmg. i thought that was a support class 😂

[tropic hull]

ye saw that too

1.5k hits on alltargets every few seconds

[daring sentinel]

dunno, as a bard who until 2 days ago only had 8 points in wand, I can only guess those changes were queued up behind stuff like mage nerfs and tank 95% dmg mitigation bug 😛

[tropic hull]

Idk maybe you have some good internal sparring info but Ive seen mages melt tanks on this phase

[tight kayak]

problem is

most tnaks

go full heavy armor

which mainly gives Phys mitigation

im almost fully crafted and enchanted and im 60/40% mitigation

[daring sentinel]

thats part of the problem, pve gear for pvp situations, also I dont think defensive stats give much when you compare what people can do with offensive stuff atm

[tight kayak]

6,2k hp

dmg scales alot better than tankyness

and i think a reflect ability that lasts x amount of time and reflexts either 100%-200% or scaling with hp/con would be massive

[tropic hull]

And mages have way too many sources of volatile 😄

[tight kayak]

would help PvE and Would help in PvP

and probly some adjusments here and there

[daring sentinel]

only if I can do that to my teammates

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XjuMFfRvuMs

[tropic fox]

i run 3 heavy 5 light on a level 14 mage and even with still some novice bits on, i held my own fairly well against a level 18 and or 20 cleric that was attacking my guilds caravan. 50ft from an ember

My burst without proper combos like shatter, was nearly enough to win solo against one of them as the caravan and others escaped. and the mixed resistance was wonderful for survival

did it for fashion ashes, and now after finding mage stat heavy armour like enchanted bronze, its quite viable

[daring sentinel]

fashion >>>>>> stat viagra chasing.

[tropic fox]

yes. but its so much better when you can fashion and make it viable without a proper cosmetic or transmog system

https://tenor.com/view/screaming-asian-guy-hitoshi-matsumoto-gif-13854021

||Rividium is the 20+ caster/healer heavy armour||

[paper gyro]

For those wondering the percent change of the mage nerf:

•Shield duration is ~45% shorter

•Arcane circle is 33% shorter and 10% less damage (~55% damage nerf altogether)

•Lightning ball is 50% less damage applied.

•Chain lightning + Aftershock combo is ~2.5% less overall damage.

•Prismatic beam (assuming all elements active while using) has an overall 50% nerf.

[normal kraken]

Was I having TOO much fun melting everything in front of me?

[junior egret]

so the mage will have to cast like 1 more spell to kill?

[shut skiff]

if you think clerics are op damage wise ... explain to me pls how a cleric is having to high dps since the cleric lacks damagespells at all and yeh ofc he is supposed to be healer who will kill you 1vs1 ofc but in grps ?

[paper gyro]

lol maybe a weak mob. Think about in raid bosses though. this is a tremendous change for high HP mobs and bosses. much much longer fights.

[obtuse terrace]

Fighters rejoice

[junior egret]

players

[junior egret]

ive only taken cleric to lvl 6, so IDK but I already have 2 damage spells

[paper gyro]

With the buff to magma (20% increase), maybe 30% more hits needed, assuming equivalent gear on both parties and that the opposing party actually gets hit by magma.

[junior egret]

right so maybe like 1 more cast on a player

[paper gyro]

not if theyre same level with similar gear. it would be like 3-5 more hits.

[mint slate]

Did you farm for the enchanted gear/recipe or got it as lucky drop? I've been struggling to get recipes with it being such a general drop

[tropic fox]

Player market.

did find a blue chest though, so thats lovely

the codex has a list of places it can drop from tho.

[mint slate]

Judgement, smite, condemn(CC) and consecrating wave.. everything else is healer stuff

[junior egret]

thats three, three more than zero which what was claimed

[mint slate]

Codex has a list but it's basically anything over LVL 15 was just curious if you had found a more targeted approach

[tropic fox]

endless searching market tabs and running from node to node and paying almost over a gold each

https://tenor.com/view/blacrswan-gif-21283538

[mint slate]

Smite you have from the start and really is more conflag proc then real damage as need high burn stacks to be generated, judgement and wave on healers are going to be used for their heal side rather then the damage side and condem without conflag is an incap that one damage rick ends so no they don't have real usable damage comparatively to other classes

[junior egret]

the gear upgrades favor dps. mage time to kill is ridiculously fast atm. I hardly doubt they are going to need 3-5 more casts to drop a player with the incoming nerfs. we will see

[shut skiff]

didnt claim zero ... but 2 out of this 4 are basically used as heal 2 have 8 sec recast and the other 2 like 10+sec recast

[junior egret]

you said "lack damage spells at all"

[shut skiff]

and still you are talking about your experience with your level 6 cleric thanks man

[mint slate]

Okay pirate software, calm down nit picking wording over practical outcome

[junior egret]

right, level 6 and already knew you were full of it

[mint slate]

See you in 19 levels when you've gained no extra damage

[paper gyro]

is that your main?

[junior egret]

ofc not

[mint slate]

Ooo let me guess, mage main?

[tropic hull]

Your math is not mathing

[junior egret]

nope

[paper gyro]

which one?

[tropic hull]

Aracne circle cd has been reduced from 90 to 60s

And that prismatic beam nerf is taken out of ass

[paper gyro]

you think ur gonna get it of twice in one fight?

[tropic hull]

1v1? no, mass pvp? yes

[paper gyro]

pooped it out for ya

[tropic hull]

Plz dont use AI

[paper gyro]

brother this is microsoft word

[tropic fox]

[tropic hull]

So explain to me

[shut skiff]

i am really hoping for some spicey choices with archetypes to get some Op damage 😄

[tropic hull]

how is proc chance on chilled affecting dmg of prismatic beam?

[paper gyro]

its applied on prismatic beam

[tropic hull]

and has 100% uptime during the duration of beam

[paper gyro]

Yes, all 3 elements can be active at once under arcane circle.

[tropic hull]

And you get to have all 3 debuffs on target on the 1st tick of beam, while previously you had a chance to apply/refresh it on each tick

[tropic fox]

i cant maths but even i understand this part

[tropic hull]

WHAT DMG

[paper gyro]

Where did I say damage?

I said overall nerf

[junior egret]

a lvl 25's smite hits harder than a lvl 6's

[paper gyro]

Ah, sorry thats copy/paste for that part. You are correct. I bow down to you.

updated:

[tropic hull]

You assumed that this 1s duration is for the initial tick

and doesnt refresh on all ticks

[mint slate]

I feel mage Gunna be the defacto go to choice but I'm hoping fighter might add some true paladin like damage tools to the kit

[shut skiff]

thanks man for your scientific approach 😄 the best source for cleric dps is autoattack with some decent weapon skill tree says my feelings LOL

[mint slate]

And still doesn't compare the other LVL 25 attacks

[junior egret]

and it shouldnt

[paper gyro]

It is a 50% slow per stack. but now you cant stack with beam because they last 1s instead of 6.

[tropic hull]

But it gets 100% uptime during the beam

[mint slate]

Self blessing and shortbow for burning procs, then smite everytime burn is 20-24s to conflag is best damage approach I've found so far

[mint slate]

Then mage shouldn't get shield and fighter shouldn't get it's life steal skills

[shut skiff]

single target yes not for grps or mass pulls

[mint slate]

Haven't found a good group dps combo yet as heal circle splitting damage per target and wave are really only aoe damaging skills

[paper gyro]

so the user is slowed 50% for like 6.3 seconds, compared to 1 stack applied every 1.98 seconds, resulting in 3 stacks applied in the beam duration, so a slow of 87.5% for 6 seconds PLUS the slow during the beam.

[tropic hull]

And previously you had a chance to not get slow at all if unlucky

[junior egret]

meh, they cannot use those skills on others. fighter would not be able to dps without self sustain.

[shut skiff]

try all of this with melee autoattack you will be surprised

[mint slate]

But that's why they have a bard or cleric to heal them, the same way you feel cleric shouldn't damage cos they are healer

[paper gyro]

yes, i can agree to that, RNG is a very difficult thing to math, so I assumed best case, just as one would do who would want the nerf.

[mint slate]

Oh it's decent damage but I would love to see some kind of actual combo for aoe like the smite conflag combo for single target

[tropic hull]

thats why you assume avg scenario not best

[junior egret]

each class needs to be able to do its own job. any class can solo. clerics have no issues there, you just want to do it faster because... someone can come along and out dps a cleric and steal a mob kill?

[tropic hull]

You are saying that Beam got hit with 50% nerf which is not true at all

And you completely ignored buff to magma field

[violet dome]

https://tenor.com/bsAGk.gif

[tight kayak]

[paper gyro]

Of course I did, it wasnt nerfed, my post was about the items nerfed. I didnt say overall Mage nerf/buff change. But dont worry, ill assume "average" scenario for ya

[tropic hull]

But its like the Narc drama where you only took bad things and worst case scenarios for mages

[paper gyro]

not even close

[tropic hull]

Meanwhile even after this nerf mage will be still the most sought after dps class in pve and pvp

[umbral seal]

rangers shouldn't get to root half a raid with 1 ability then i guess 🤣

[tropic hull]

I exaggerate obviously

[junior egret]

he was being sarcastic because he wants cleric to be stronger

[paper gyro]

thats something narc would do, i.e. the desert

[mint slate]

I will state I personally have no issue with classes having skills that dip into the 'role' of other classes, just the person I was replying to was saying clerics shouldn't have damage is they are healers

[junior egret]

i didnt say that

[mint slate]

Then what's your theory to why cleric shouldn't have dps better in their toolkit?

[junior egret]

never even said that either, someone said clerics have no damage skills. i just pointed out that I already had 2 damage spells on my lvl 6 clerics.

[paper gyro]

Anyways, im happy to change my calcs with your feedback, im not a perfect human and I dont use AI to do maths, so there is always a chance for human error. I didnt see a reason to include magma because its an obvious buff. I cant say mage as a class got an overall nerf/buff, because its all situational (you arent gonna have a pvper stand still in magma in a 1v1), thats why i am covering it on an ability-specific basis.

As far as an "average" scenario. it cant be a 33% chance occuring 50% of the time, so any recommendations?

[mint slate]

So instead contributing to a class balance point you just trolling in technicality of wording

[junior egret]

basically, yes

[shut skiff]

i asked for an explanation to why people assume clerics are OP damage wise ... nothing else

[junior egret]

or pointing out a blatant falsehood; however you want to look at it. If you want improvements, then talk about making the skills you have better, not muddying the water by claiming there are none

end of the day, time to kill players is too fast across the board. Clerics are hardly the problem, if anything, slower kill times would help them tremendously, not amping their ddamage too.

[paper gyro]

tbh i was thinking the enchanting of lvl10 gear to +8s and all this mess is the culprit, but i dont have a way of proving bc i dont have that gear nor the coin to make it

i got clapped by a lvl25 cleric as a lvl 20 mage in 2 hits, even with shield up

[clever wyvern]

Mage gets hit with nerf while our CC break is broken

Bards run rampant with 4-6k one shots and 3 CCs

[junior egret]

maybe you could stack mentality to counter a mage dps, but then you gimp your own. I think this is the case though.

[paper gyro]

and dont get me STARTED with the tanks stunlocking me, i cant defend caravans no matter what

i almost wish that enchanting had a limitation of stats, especially as gear is lower in level.

[junior egret]

my understanding is that the defensive stats simply do not keep up with offensive stats, so yes enchanting is the culprit.

[mint slate]

Historically game company stands more chance to buff cleric to the other high ttk rather then needing all the other classes down to cleric ttk

[umbral seal]

legendary gear? even after the nerf i bet this rarity level still shits on people

[junior egret]

its the enchanting

[umbral seal]

oh i meant legendary weapons***

[paper gyro]

no idea their gear, all I know is it was lvl10 crafted gear that they threw enchantments at over and over and over. Probs not legendary bc the high risk of destroying the gear thru enchantment.

[junior egret]

most of us cannot afford enchanting, let alone waste it on gear that we will not keep. If i had a legendary weapon, id enchant it

[paper gyro]

Nah the enchanting is buffing damage application stats like mentality. The dude had a wand that did like maybe 10% better stat wise than mine.

[paper gyro]

and the rich get richer. since they got the stats early, they can gank/harass caravans, giving them more wealth, resulting in better enchants, and its a snowball

@undone quiver i hope you're reading this... enchanting is a problem in its current state lol

[night smelt]

Enchanting weapons is not a problem at all lol what

[paper gyro]

Only an enchanter would say that!

[junior egret]

every piece of gear giving +6's

[paper gyro]

Your lvl 10 enchanted necklace is better than my lvl20 drop from carphin

[junior egret]

make sure everything has at least 1 point in your damge stat, thats why some lvl 10 items are better than 20's

[night smelt]

at the current state of things yes higher rarity lvl 10s are better because they can be crafted anc enchanted

[elder talon]

Enchanting weapons is pointless

Costs a zillion gold and does tiny amounts

[paper gyro]

its only gonna get worse with lvl 20 gear enchantments

[night smelt]

so enchant your gear?

[paper gyro]

correct, but enchanting armor is not

[umbral seal]

the guy earlier that said his 24 fighter had 115 str? my fighter at level 20 already had 170 str. 3 power per str right? do the math 😆

[elder talon]

But my +9 blue Snar’s Necklace that gives 11 Phys 10 Str 10 Dex is busted beyond belief for a level 0 item

[night smelt]

so are people suggesting maybe enchanting does not affect raw stats like int, dex, str etc.

[paper gyro]

So we ALL agree enchanting is OP currently? or no?

[junior egret]

how much do you figure youve spent enchanting?

[umbral seal]

like 30-50g lol

[elder talon]

Enchanting is incredibly overpowered if you focus on gear with raw stats like str/dex/con

[night smelt]

my bard sitting at 169 int right now and yea probably spent 30/40 gold on enchanting

[paper gyro]

ive maybe seen 20g in my playthru bc i cant run caravans

[junior egret]

thats actually not bad at all, for how much str you netted

[umbral seal]

i mean the accessories are cheap af

it's the chestpiece etc that's expensive

[elder talon]

+7 heroic polished tin belt cost maybe 10g to make and enchant and is giving me like 30 total points of stats

[paper gyro]

you guys are making me sad talking about ur stat buffs

[tropic hull]

I spent like 30-40g on enchanting now and I've run 2 caravans for a total of 3g

[junior egret]

yeah my fighter is lvl 25 nowhere near that high str

[tropic hull]

Sell drops/materials

[paper gyro]

but you now have the opportunity to harass anyone u want running caravans pretty much

[elder talon]

I’m a level 16 ranger with 135 str and I think 121 dex

[night smelt]

Enchanting isnt super over powered - are you only saying that because you feel gated by money

[paper gyro]

id love to see the damage change with/ without enchants

[elder talon]

Enchanting is overpowered

[tropic hull]

What do you mean it isn't. +10 lvl 0 item is nearly 10x stronger than base of that itme

Accessories at least

[paper gyro]

I just dont think u should be able to +10 a lvl0 item, maybe +2 or something, and maybe +10 a lvl 50 item

• okay, maybe like a lvl 30 item, 50 might be too excessive

[elder talon]

People are spending 120g crafting a legendary forsaken blades longbow but if they spent 25g enchanting their shit they’d gain more than twice the stats

[umbral seal]

the gap between people who don't know about level 10 gear + enchanting vs the people that do is pretty big

you got youtubers stacking level 20 gear and people think that's bis

[elder talon]

Heroic Polished Tin Belt + Leggings = broken

Rare Bone Earring = broken

etc.

[paper gyro]

I have to ask, have u personally enchanted and noticed the impact? I cant say theyre broken bc i havent enchanted

i just wanna see if there are people that have enchanted themselves that agree its broken

[tropic hull]

Im at 152str and ~360phys power rn, yes its broken af

Im obliterating fighters in my guild that did not

[tropic hull]

and im not even halfway there

[paper gyro]

jeeeez

[tropic hull]

most of my shit is +3-5

[umbral seal]

enchanting = stat increase = power increase. i made 2 mages and went to HH beach(level 10-12 mobs). Mage 1 has copper weapons, Mage 2 has marketplace bought forsaken weapons. Mage 1 takes awhile to kill shit and risks dying because of this. Mage 2 1-2 shots everything and man handled groups.

[elder talon]

Those were screenshots from earlier in the week. I think all 3 of those items are higher enchant now. So yeah my money is where my mouth is. It’s broken.

[paper gyro]

So yeah, i wonder if enchanting is the bigger issue. Maybe they should balance that prior to class nerfs/buffs

[outer patio]

Why level 10? is there not higher tier enchanting?

[shut skiff]

how much % made you enchanting stronger compared to your opponents who did not ?

[elder talon]

I’m a level 16 ranger with 135 str, my understanding is that’s more than a lot of max level chars rn

[tropic hull]

It is

[paper gyro]

not yet, journeyman tables needed for higher tier, but it is coming

[elder talon]

Correct, no journeyman enchanting building

[tropic hull]

not on eu server

[outer patio]

Thanks 🙂

[shut skiff]

thats huge lol

[elder talon]

I should’ve taken some screenshots before downtime but for anyone who wants to be overpowered

[tropic hull]

can't really say the % but while my friend with ~100str hits for 450 from bow aa finishers i hit for 600

i mean thats 33% but ofc there is variance

[paper gyro]

i just know im a lvl 21 mage, who 1v1d a lvl 21 ranger to defend a caravan, and i lost the fight, but it was a close one. He was on his last bar, going down bc my burns.

but i have yet to experience me 1-2 shotting anyone at all

[shut skiff]

thats even 50% from your friends Point of víew xD

[elder talon]

My top recommendations are Rare/Heroic Polished Tin Legs/Belt/Bracers and I’m happy to craft them for you on Vyra 🙂

[tropic hull]

what grade of mold do you need for that

for heroic

[elder talon]

How enchanting works right now is that you want the most different good unique stats you can get on the item

[elder talon]

For the legs you can use epic tin and a weak mold, for the other two you need a blue mold

[dark robin]

How much gold have you spent on enchanting? Feel like that's the biggest hurdle

[elder talon]

Oh and base stats are 5x better than other stats

[paper gyro]

i dont wanna be part of the problem but its leaning that way

[elder talon]

Best guess 35-40g?

[umbral seal]

it's alot. chest alone at like +3 onwards is like 1g-1.5g per attempt. acccessories are cheap af. everything else is in between

[elder talon]

It’s very powerful and likely needs a nerf but also once level 20 enchanting comes online things will make sense

[elder talon]

Yeah chest and legs cost way too much gold to enchant

Belt is really cheap

[dark robin]

I'm excited. I'm making a tank alt that already had a full set of ashen/forsaken waiting for him. All I need to do is grind out the sunhaven cloak

[tropic hull]

Blue mold and blue skin?

cuz getting that at higher than blue gonna be hard

[elder talon]

I did it with blue mold, green skin, two epic tin ingot

[tropic hull]

Nice

Ty!

[elder talon]

Blue skins were in short supply

yw, it’s my pick for the best physical item in the game rn

4 base stats is fucking unbelievable, it might be the only item in the entire game like that

[tight kayak]

Thought I was in the wrong chat for a second

[paper gyro]

to catch u up: we are wondering if an enchantment nerf would have been better than an overall mage nerf

well, atleast i am

[daring sentinel]

late Ashes capitalismoligarchy? n1

[tight kayak]

Fair enough

Ty for the tldr

[paper gyro]

tbh im scared of a dual dagger rogue coming with +10 light gear, i can only imagine their crits

[daring sentinel]

I personally cannot wait for Intrepid to wake up to the enchanting problem, I'm sure their fix is going to be as well balanced and thought out as the P1 rarity gear nerf 😉

[elder talon]

yeah my +10 level 0 jewelry is the rogue waiting room also

[paper gyro]

imagine a summoner with this too, gosh, this is gonna be bad juju

[elder talon]

Gear not binding makes enchanting feel a lot better

[dark robin]

Enchanting will change, sure, but not by much. They WANT players to engage in it. It's one of the free HIGH gold sinks. Maybe change up chances of gear breakage or failure rates?

[elder talon]

Well it would at least be nice if they fixed the enchanting items

I have a heroic novice scroll of not fucking your shit up when you enchant it and it’s literally identical to a regular novice scroll

the apprentice enchanting charm gives +3% but the novice one gives +5%

But also yeah if we can please for the love of everything kill the eastern MMO high variance horseshit enchanting system

That’d be dandy

[mint slate]

I have no issue with a gold sink but I do feel there are better ways to handle things then run caravan, enchant gear, go kill mobs as 90% of the games finctionality

[elder talon]

you also have to make the gear since dropped gear is much worse than crafted for enchanting

compare green polished tin legs +8 to heroic polished tin leggings +8

the heroic are >2x as powerful

[mint slate]

Yeah but most crafters will be buying mats not gathering them and to buy the gear it's caravan runs for money.. the whole Econ is geared around physical money and that means caravans as it's the only real faucet.. may just be an issue cos the phase of development we are in but I personally In sand box hate when things are forced into a particular hole

[elder talon]

I agree with you that they need other ways to generate raw gold for sure

for one thing I think they need to up vendor prices for items pretty much across the board

there’s no reason for gear to vendor for 36 copper or w/e

[mint slate]

Up vendor prices, I would prefer see caravans more in the 75-80% their current value and what gets taken from caravan is added back to vendor buy prices, glint value (quest rewards and mob kills) to make other faucets cos as someone who is doing crafting and hasn't done a single caravan run I have no income and are barely able to keep the crafts going simply cos I haven't done a caravan which wouldn't net me money anyway with the hunters on my server

[mint slate]

My favourite is mounts, go hunting and get the right roll for tameable animal, spend 55 silver plus taxes to roll, get mount and it sells to vendor for 5 copper.. vs wood working where I can choose trees, milk it and make caravan cartage and sell that for 1 and half silver

[elder talon]

I’d also like to see quests reward raw gold to be honest

[elder talon]

Charcoal is my personal favorite. 60 oak vendors for 3s but if you make it into charcoal it vendors for 15s (might be 12 but I think it’s 15).

[mint slate]

I get the glint is 'pvpable' currency but I think mobs drop is 100% glint but quests are 50/50 glint / straight money

And increase quest rewards payout

[umbral seal]

yea, i feel like people who don't craft or arn't in guilds won't get anything higher than rare(blue gear)

unless people start selling stuff higher than blues for cheap in marketplaces but that'll probably never happen.

[elder talon]

for cheap no but I’ve been advertising blue/heroic polished tin stuff for sale plenty and I think others will also

it’s expensive to make rn. once they fix animal rarities it’ll get much cheaper. That’s what’s holding it back.

[marsh vale]

rip mage?

[dark robin]

Day 0 of first shutdown of Phase 2. By Thursday, PTR notes will have additional adjustments. Beyond that, more balance will come every 3 weeks, per their schedule

That said, I think the mage notes are balancing without being overkill.

[tropic hull]

Mage is dead reeee

[loud tangle]

nah man. RIP? our kit is still nice. Yes we lost some firepower, but we still got half our kit untouched.

[frozen peak]

as a reminder, these are PTR changes, who knows if it'll be balanced again if/when it makes it to live servers

[loud tangle]

pretty sure it is coming though. People have highlighted it enough for it to occur

[umbral seal]

stagger 2x chain lightning doesn't work so you can multiply the dead reee

[paper gyro]

"without being overkill" im sorry wut, they mega nerfed some of the abilities. others not so much.

i think enchantments are the better thing for them to work on.

[solemn saffron]

Change my mind :
I understand the mage nerf but... nerfing it without even fixing the cc break from blink passive?
Hope its fixed but not in the notes ^^

[dry iris]

Cleric
Wings of Salvation
Fixed a bug preventing the Unyielding Wings of Salvation passive skill from enabling the ability to break disabling effects

Mage
Blink
Fixed a bug preventing the Unyielding Blink passive skill from enabling the ability to break disabling effects

[solemn saffron]

Oh nice, saw old ones i guess! 😄

[dark robin]

You just saying this, or are these actual notes?

...don't give me hope

[dry iris]

Actual notes

[dark robin]

Don't be shy zaddy, send some more

[languid night]

any gigabrain people here who can recommend a oneshot ranger build for 1v1?

[nimble spear]

I mean, you just go snipe + max crit no? seems hard to oneshot people tho

It also seems like a good way to end up corrupt if it did work xd

[languid night]

Good, love corruption

[nimble spear]

then yea, just max crit chance/dmg and phys power, use the mark and be >20m away, and pray for crit

should be easily able to get >800% dmg

[languid night]

mark as in just right click mark?

[nimble spear]

no, the crit chance mark

tiger I think?

[languid night]

ah gotcha thank you

can you do 2 different marks like raven + tiger on one?

[nimble spear]

no, share cooldowns and don't stack afaik

different ones might stack, but then that isn't 1v1

[sonic moss]

Mage nerf is not justified.

Unless you use the class to kite perfectly, which is incredibly hard with a single blink on a long cooldown, we are completely relying on a tank to pull, a cleric to heal and a bard for mana.

On top of that, the cast times are long. The damage is only high if you find a position where you have the time to stack casts, otherwise you're trying to kite and poke.

It's IMPOSSIBLE to solo things that a cleric or bard can.

Damage is only thing mage has going for it, and you have to battle with poor mobility, long cast times, no healing and mana problems.

It makes no sense to change anything right now. Nothing will make sense until we get second archetypes to see how it all really works.

[dark robin]

This is exactly when to change stuff. It's a balancing 'test and learn'. If these nerfs are too heavy handed, the they'll be adjusted in a few weeks. I think people should give it a whirl first. It'll make you change the way you play for a bit, though. Also, these aren't final patch notes, just PTR stuff. It may not even make it to live

[sonic moss]

A lot of people who think mages are OP are gaming classes thinking they need to stack armour with no magic resist.

You're right, there's a lot to be tested.

IMO it feels like it's playing as intended, but it's going to be very interesting when we have second archetypes...

[maiden onyx]

Fighter with mostly Medium armor representing. Gotta get a little magic res somehow

[steady plover]

mage could wipe an 8 man group within 5 seconds

totally justified lol

[maiden hearth]

If mages aren’t OP, why is every big guild running 25 mage and 3 bards lol

[umbral seal]

because status effects work with everybody in the raid. that 1 shatter serves every mage that casts lightning at that moment lol.

[agile saddle]

In pvp they are on par with fighter, and rangers have that amazing snare with roots
Mages are really good for leveling to 25 quickly since they can safely aoe mobs faster than any other dps

One of the biggest issues with ranger, is they cuck mages with by using to much snare debuff

It prevents mages from using chill, which prevents freeze and shatter combo

[umbral seal]

yup, status effects being exploitable is a problem.

also say the hp pool scaled with damage properly, nobody would be crying about mage being op. everyone would be crying about clerics and barbs being unkillable.

[agile saddle]

The game is balanced around group play, the issue right now is, during group play, everyone except tank gets Insta killed, and the winner is usualy who killed the cleric first

[nimble spear]

you are supposed to be relying on a tank, cleric, bard, etc. The game is balanced around group play, not solo for the most part. and changing things now (presumably) helps the team get better data and do better balancing in the future

[tulip wind]

what is the role of threat when it comes to pvp, for tanks?

[maiden hearth]

Threat is purely PvE

[torn imp]

Scream at them in shout to draw aggro in pvp

[maiden hearth]

Tell ‘em their mother smells to draw aggro Lolol

[cold spindle]

In Lineage you could Taunt force Aggro for a short period of time, which would make the Tanks suddenly useful in pvp, which also was extremely annoying

[fossil rivet]

Ashes of Creation Wiki

Humiliated

Humiliated is a debuff in Ashes of Creation.

Duration: 8s
Dispellable: Yes
Persists: Relog
Stacks: 1
Effect description
Damage dealt reduced by 30% towards targets other than the applier of this effect. Lasts 8s.
Related skills

Related status effects

We're... trying to experiment with making ways for more classical abilities like Taunt and stu...

Learn more here

https://ashesofcreation.wiki/Humiliated

[agile saddle]

You use taunt to apply humiliated

[jaunty bone]

https://tenor.com/view/pithon-taunt-gif-12865791201436561590

[maiden hearth]

Taunt can be used yeah, but threat is purely PvE

[gentle ocean]

what mage nerf

[paper gyro]

Someone can probs re-share the PTR patch notes

[paper gyro]

#alpha-two-archetype-chat message

[gentle ocean]

Unironically dont hate the changes, I disklike the change to Shell, I thought it was perfect, prismatic beam change is weird, but makes sense. Rather guarentee a chill than not have it happen at all (rip flamethrower), and arcane circle can still be used. I just hope with the changes to chain lightning's aftershock that it FRICKEN WORKS when they are frozen and staggered, right now only shattered will happen and you lose the bonus damage from aftershock even though they were staggerd.

personally, I dont use lightning ball because I solo a lot of stuff, and it takes to much mana without a bard or cleric buff, i dont even want to have to sit down and recharge.

[bold vigil]

Not serious, excited to see them, damn tanks could really use some love.

[elder talon]

Does anyone have numbers for what physical critical power rating does?

Like x rating = y% more damage on crits

[nocturne mortar]

does anyone know when the sub classes become available ?

[edgy wraith]

Phase 3.

Sometime, phase 3

[nocturne mortar]

ty bro

[maiden onyx]

To tack onto that, last I saw they will introduce just the Tank and Cleric as sub-archetypes first.

[nocturne mortar]

gotcha ty

[dark robin]

gosh, I dont know without checking in game, but I think it was a factor of 10. Like, 16 rating = 1.6%

[elder talon]

that’s good to know. it’s a weird stat since it’s one of the only common ones that does not derive from a primary stat but that does scale directly (and powerfully) with other stats. It gets substantially more powerful as you get more physical power/pen/crit chance.

Interestingly, the lack of it as a main stat waterfall I think makes the 8pc heavy set exceptionally strong.

[dark robin]

Does it not derive from Dexterity/Mentality?

[elder talon]

It does not

[dark robin]

hmm

[elder talon]

Dexterity is attack speed, crit chance, and physical evasion, mentality is magic resist, mana?, and magical evasion

I’m checking those

[dark robin]

That makes me happy because im a cook and....

Recipes like this and the physical variation

[elder talon]

The wiki is slow

[dark robin]

are now increasingly valuable

[elder talon]

no, that’s the wrong stat

[maiden onyx]

That's still crit chance, not pwoer

[dark robin]

ohhhhhhh

[elder talon]

excavation empanadas give crit power tho

Learn to make those!

[dark robin]

Reading Comprehension: Needs Improvement

[maiden onyx]

Crit Power is basically only specific pieces of gear, and weapon masteries

[elder talon]

yep, and I think that makes the stat (1) really valuable on gear, probably the next best stat after primary stats and (2) makes the 8pc heavy set bonus really really really powerful

the 8pc legendary heavy set is +20% critical power, which seems completely bananas

[dark robin]

Also, a different stat, but every ~66 penetration rating = 25% penetration. Foods like this -- even at common -- add an additional 25% armor pen. You get higher tiers of this food + base stats, and you are looking at damn near ~90% penetration

[elder talon]

200 rating of a stat that’s hard to come by

[dark robin]

assuming no Dr

[elder talon]

That’s crazy because you get 1 pen per 1 main stat (str/int)

I’m sure it has some sort of scaling down to it

I’m sure you could get to 100% pen pretty easily otherwise

[dark robin]

As someone whose hoping to max out cooking/farming/hunting, I am SO EXCITED to theorycraft crazy builds with food buffs, but.....you know.... we arent getting journeyman cooking any time soon

[elder talon]

https://ashescodex.com/db/item/Consumable_Food_ExcavationEmpanadas

Those can be bought from a vendor currently

[dark robin]

Is it Heroic? Yes. Does it increase auto attack damage by damn near 100? Also yes

that with a shortbow is disgusting

[maiden onyx]

Really? Did you test that? I thought the stat was called like "Fire Additive Weapon Damage" or something

This looks like food that would buff a Mage's fire spells or the like

[dark robin]

its autos

The "Fire/Ice/Necrotic/etc. damage rating" adds a flat extra damage to auto attacks

it might add it to skills, but I only see it on autos

[maiden onyx]

That's crazy. What do the Carphin accessories do then? The ones that are "Additive Weapon Necrotic Damage Rating"

[dark robin]

plenty of jewelry in game has + X(type) additive damage rating

same thing

just different types of damage

its not hugely important, but some items (red dragon shield, forge guard armor) have +fire damage resistance

[maiden onyx]

That's... Confusing. If they do the same thing, we should get Intrepid to look at making the names consistent

[dark robin]

so, you need to pick one people cant counter like '+radiant damage rating"

[maiden onyx]

That would be like having "Critical Power Rating" and "Additive Ability Critical Power Rating"

[dark robin]

same thing mechanically, but not acutally the same thing

tbf, ive not super tested it, just seen new numbers pop up when I auto attack

[maiden onyx]

Then... Not the same thing. Point is mostly that, if they do the same thing, we should probably make a post/suggestion that they're named the same. Otherwise it's just very confusing

If they're different, then we just need to test what's different

[digital kraken]

Is data mining allowed for a wiki? or is that disallowed per some NDA or something?

[elder talon]

That food is a different stat. “Fire damage rating” and “additive fire weapon damage rating” are different.

[dark robin]

wat

fml

[elder talon]

Maybe fire damage rating buffs the amount of additive fire weapon damage rating you do? Who knows.

[clever wyvern]

The additive damage rating is very small, I get like 3 necro dmg from 12 rating and 5 fire damage from 20 per auto

[gentle void]

Allowed

[agile saddle]

Everything is rating not hard stats

[dark robin]

And then theres this item

[maiden onyx]

Ahhh that one has both

[clever wyvern]

If that works like other ratings then it's a 0.06% damage increase

[warm hemlock]

gotta crunch those numbers

[charred moat]

Can we give bards a lute instead of a violen?

[half lodge]

Hurdy-gurdy bard option would be best

[upper cipher]

Id like a Alphorn

[crystal brook]

After they have proven they can do the hokie pokie while playing a Kazoo.....

[maiden hearth]

YOU DONT LIKE YOUR DRUMS? 😠

https://tenor.com/view/rock-and-roll-drummer-rockstar-gif-12709576

[agile saddle]

it has no sound yet

[maiden hearth]

It’s the principal, DRUMS SUPREMACY

[clear marlin]

are the journeyman flying mounts obtainable e.g. wyrmling? How do they work

[nimble spear]

flying mounts are mayor only currently afaik

[tropic fox]

My guildie found a wyrmling once yes. Need journey hunt and taming to tell you anything tho. Unless they were in p1

[umbral seal]

streamer/exploiter mayor benefits. it's so gamey atm.

[agile saddle]

they are probably gliding mounts
noone as gotten them yet
here is the only time we have seen gliding mounts in action on dev streams
https://youtube.com/clip/Ugkx8CbkJhtFExW4QzZPjiPhS3r9mjyU3yZs?si=NV2EWNJC4S03aCd-

[tall bone]

Not implemented

[tropic fox]

Partially implemented (From the first couple days of P2)

[vital current]

those were there in phase 1 as well, but I haven't seen a single person get an actual animal from them

[tropic fox]

aah i see

[vital current]

same goes for the gryphons

I think I personally hunted ||(petted to death)|| around 150 gryphons and not a single animal dropped, just carcasses

[umbral seal]

Is the mage nerf in today or is that a ptr thing?

[tropic fox]

we shall see

[fiery briar]

Apologies if this is an ignorant question, but I couldn't find and answer for it on the wiki. For the purposes of clerics, is there a healing power rating, or does their damage and healing scale based on magic power rating?

[charred moat]

As a guitar player I'm more of a strings guy.

@maiden hearth

[maiden onyx]

There is gear with Healing Power specifically, like Halcyonite Earrings

https://ashescodex.com/db/item/Gear_Accessory_Earring_Halcyonite?widget=true

1 Magic power increase provides the same amount of healing as it would 1 Healing power. However, Healing power is not boosting the Magic damage.

[umbral seal]

shell is 8 seconds. the nerf is in

[dim cargo]

neutered mage

[neon hawk]

looks like if you demote a profession there might be a cooldown to promote another since its no longer letting me

[upbeat grail]

How the hell does Echo work?

[tall bone]

I mean the tamables, carcasses have been in from P1

[rough knoll]

Do Rangers have any type of self heal?

[nimble spear]

Regeneration, but otherwise no

[small shuttle]

Are wands good for cleric?
It seems to attack fast and the finishers trigger bless weapon often.

[main crane]

is the dual class system out yet

[warm hemlock]

Phase 3 after May

[dark robin]

Yes, its just a preference

book is slower, but does aoe

[slate parcel]

hows tank?..im downloading game now think ima role as tank

[nimble spear]

tanky :P

[main crane]

ty shadow

[nimble spear]

It's a very important role, but can be rough solo

[slate parcel]

can we do the secondary classes yet?

[maiden onyx]

No, that is coming in Phase 3 I believe, starting with Tank and Cleric

[slate parcel]

cool cool

[digital mantle]

Being solo as a tank is definitely rough you end up with groups lost in the sauce and rack up xp debt

But when you get a good group it is very interactive and fun to play

[maiden onyx]

I've been leveling a Tank, and pre-10 feels pretty good so far. It must get worse later, huh? 😅

'Cause the journey to 9 has been smoooth grindin'

[digital mantle]

Well you are probably grinding with ppls alts at that point but post 20 tank is rough cuz there are people hard stuck at 20 cuz they're bad with mechanics

Mages , Rangers and bards like to hit random things with aoe

[maiden onyx]

Been entirely solo to 9 so far, but I'm probably gonna wanna group for Church or something

I literally just smacked Grems and Wolves for a while 😄

I've heard the struggle, so can't wait to hit those higher tiers and see what the fuss is about

[digital mantle]

I mean technically you can solo to 25 but what fun is tank when not fighting 10 mobs at once feeling invincible

[abstract sandal]

Is the apocalypses from bard bugged?

[agile saddle]

yes, 3 red is bugged and completly useless 90% of the time

3 blue works fine, but noone wants to search for the coloured rings during combat
3 yellow is pretty good for a heal/speed buff

all of them require sacrifcing the passive saga buff to use tho

[sturdy owl]

Hello i woud no if the nerf mage has been tested by the devs or if its only like that they tell themselve that is ok ? .........

[torn imp]

Mages I've talked to prefer it. No rng proc and lightning ball was just stupid fast procs anyway

[balmy barn]

I have gotten my cleric a nice magic sword and love it. Short bow and magic sword is realy nice, the sword does aoe also 😄

[sturdy owl]

Lightning ball was surely a little too powerfull but now its completely useless they kill it literally.

[tropic fox]

Not entirely. It stacks volatile.

Even if it did like, max 200 damage, the volatile stacks make it worth it

[jovial harbor]

Bards should be able to better track their themes to rotate them.

[static torrent]

yeah 50% is to much, should have been like a 20% nerf if anything

[amber vortex]

I mean, we have a channel cast bar telling us when to cast the next one? Once the channel is complete, change melodies. Not sure what else you're looking for within the UI to indicate a change is needed

[jovial harbor]

?? I'm speaking about how the buffs arrange. Say I was to maintain 2 reds and 1 blue.

Memorizing that is annoying, especially when your buffs suddenly rearrange out of order on the buffs UI. If the left-most buff is exactly what theme is about to be overriden, it'd add to the skill of keeping rotating buffs without it being frustrating

[amber vortex]

Ah the stories, I missed what you were referring to.Yeah the buffs UI needs some love for sure. I know the UI is something that's not complete yet but I'm sure they'd appreciate that feedback.

[jovial harbor]

Yeah, it's just difficult to distribute feedback at least through the Discord. Not sure who to contact

[amber vortex]

The forums would be the best place for feedback that's not a bug.

[lunar wedge]

Any mages actually get aftershock to work? Should be as simple as applying staggered with firebolt then using chain lightning which should then double hit, right?

i thought maybe after this patch where they adjusted it then it would work

[bright current]

It’s worked since phase 1, it does not proc sometimes because stagger doesn’t apply, most likely due to DR

[pallid bough]

The questing feels super disjointed. Alot of the kill quests dont pop the NPC. Just been doing the kill 30 goblins quest over and over

[celest fulcrum]

i for one at least cant get aftershock to work no matter what i do.

[round goblet]

can mobs do critical damage? Just to know if the "critical avoidance" stat is more a pvp thing?

[tropic fox]

yes. pretty sure they can

[tropic fox]

I did not realise that skills in your hotbar flashed when your target has a debuff the skill can exploit. Wonderful design

[marsh vale]

I've been scared to play my mage since nerf

[carmine stratus]

Give me rogue

[tropic fox]

lightning ball is dealing 10-20% of the damage it used to. everything else feels fine tho

[maiden onyx]

Ouch! When they said they halved the tick rate of it, I assumed they would adjust the damage per tick to compensate

[tropic fox]

volotile is still useful

[sand pulsar]

for a combo of group and solo would you say ranger or fighter is better?

[limber grove]

Something that you missed for dozens and dozens of hours even though it's under your nose can be called "wonderful design"?
This reads funny to me 😁

[upbeat plover]

exactly, there need to be a comprehensive tutorial document exactly stating every singular feature in the game for every iteration of the alpha || /s ||

[tropic fox]

it can be easy to miss, but that its there at all is wonderful

[rancid laurel]

lightning ball is like magma field now -----"useless)

[umbral seal]

started playing ranger today, i understand now why every ranger player cries like a b1tch from time to time... their scatter shot doesn't work uphill 😂

[warm hemlock]

Yikes...

[umbral seal]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-i-have-the-high-ground-gif-4939538

you know this scene

ranger is anakin

[warm hemlock]

Thats terrible 😕

[fluid jolt]

Wish mages had more unique build options

Like full on ice mage or full burn mage. I know it's been overdone but...

Or a mage that dabbles in all and gets extra perks for not being a specialist

[tropic fox]

yeah. but i only have to deal with it till sometime after may

[warm hemlock]

most likely closer to the end of the year

[tropic hull]

Skill nerfed by 50%; reee my skill was nerfed by 90%!!!

[tropic fox]

at level 15 id hit for around 800+ on a single target. now at 19 its still between 100-200

[marsh coral]

Fighter

[umbral seal]

depends on the individual, most people can't handle melee cos they're either blind or a tad rtarded... just pointing out the truth.

[rough knoll]

Do most fighters wear heavy armor?

[marsh coral]

Typically at least 3 pieces of medium and the rest heavy / medium, depending on the stats
Essentially Fighters ( and Rangers ) will wear anything with Strength or Dexterity, it doesn't really matter if it's light-medium-heavy

[rough knoll]

thanks! Appreciate the reply

[coral garnet]

if you jump, you can shoot it a little bit uphill lol

[graceful wigeon]

Am i just terrible or is mage kinda hard to solo grind with

[maiden hearth]

I never had much trouble… what are you grinding?

[plucky flicker]

does anyone know the conversion of physical mitigation, magical crit avoidance, phys crit avoidance, etc, from constitution and mentality? the game says 1 point of con/wis = 1 of magical crit avoidance/phys crit avoidance, is that 1%, or .5%?

also i noticed that the character sheet isn't properly reporting bonuses from items (base items showing 0 on hovering over phys/crit avoidance etc), is that the right tooltip or is it bugged?

[agile saddle]

1 rating

Go to avoidance on your character sheet, mouse over it to see what % your avoidance rating will give you

[marsh coral]

Are you using your Chills and Freezes? Even at low levels you should be able to just:
Frostbolt -> Autoattack ( Freeze ) -> Lightning Strike ( Shatter )

Remember to keep jumping backwards to maintain distance and you should be good

[marsh coral]

Yeah Ranger is in a really bad state

[graceful wigeon]

My experience is that anything worth farming 1 at a time has a strong ranged attack so keeping my distance doesnt work too well and anything i farm in groups survives my first freeze shatter combo and initial aoe burst and then gangs up on me. Though tbf I havent really experimented too much with different mob types bc if i incorrectly pick a fight i just die

Idk if im picking the wrong fights or kiting incorrectly or my gear is just bad or what

[marsh coral]

I hear ya, try farming:

• The "Marauder" or "Defender" humanoids ( HH, CSB )
• Animals ( Bears, Otters, Frogs )
• Ghosts ( you can avoid Visage / Fireball by rolling into it )
• Zombies ( just dodge the green puddles )
• Scorpions
• Golems ( if you have decent physical mitigation )

[graceful wigeon]

Yeah i've found zombies pretty nice to farm but I don't know of any good spots for them for lvl 16. By ghosts you mean the ashen haunts?

[marsh coral]

Yeah, those ones. They can be kited easily and the only ranged attack they have is Blazing Visage, which you can dodge by rolling into.

I used to solo farm the 3* Forsaken Marauders in CSB ( they're level 18 ) with a Warrior, they gave about 20k xp each and they're incredibly easy

[graceful wigeon]

Ill give it a try, thanks for the info

[somber vale]

Yeah, it's kinda annoying, especially when (for example) the Mage's lightning ball DOES travel uphill.

[gentle ocean]

but the prismatic beam doesnt

[solid star]

what?

thats not an exploit

[tropic fox]

thats...not what i meant by exploit.

a core mechanic of the combat is to apply debuffs with skills, then use other skills to exploit those debuffs. or rather, to boost the power of those skills by building off the debuff

Frozen to lighting into shatter passive for example

[somber vale]

It doesn't? I'll be honest I never tried but that's very curious. I wonder if it's intended for certain skills to account for terrain height and others not to.

[gentle ocean]

just shoots straight forward

has a little bit of upward and downard AOE to make up for it I think.

[somber vale]

Not sure what level you are but it does get a bit easier as you level up. Still hard though compared to other classes. With the right spec you can keep a single target locked down with chilled and frozen, but multiple targets is tricky.

[gentle ocean]

Also some targets like bears will shake off repeated freezes, the first one will stick but the second one the bear will move and charge even though it has 3 seconds left of freeze.

probably a bug.

[somber vale]

Yeah some mobs can only be frozen once, then they get a buff called "freeze immunity" for a short time.

[gentle ocean]

even without the buff itll happen

[somber vale]

The thing about Freeze is it only stops the mob from moving, but they can still cast abilities while frozen, plus it doesn't seem to interrupt channelled abilities. For example the grem have their wild charge attack, if they use it before being frozen they will keep moving forwards even whilst frozen

[gentle ocean]

if the buff is there they cant receive frozen or chilled debuff, but some mobs will still move with the frozen debuff applied, like bears on repeated freezes.

[gentle ocean]

grems are just buggy, and bears (2 star) will charge forever too if its during their charge.

they also dont care about gravity, some bears can float in air after charing on a hill.

[somber vale]

It's amusing that the most common enemies in the game are arguably the most dangerous (grem, wolves and ravens).

[gentle ocean]

Wolf = Fast af
Grem = Will bite you from 20 meters away for half your hp somehow
Raven = Dive DIVE DIVE!!

[somber vale]

Haha yep. I think Intrepid have played a few dark souls games and thought "let's make our wolves do the same thing" 😁

[gentle ocean]

I think wolves and ravens are fine, just the grems need their giant range revoked.

[graceful wigeon]

Im lvl 16. Tbh I havent made a lot of use of frostbolt + auto bc i use book and i feel like the finisher comes out too slow for it to keep them back. I mostly use hoarfrost + cone of cold but its a long cooldown and you need to be close for it.

I also dont make use of blink as much as i should bc they are either fast as fuck so i dont get any meaningful cooldown regen time or the area is small so i risk blinking past other players and i dont feel like training mobs on anyone

[gentle ocean]

its the same speed as all other ranged weapons

at least in my experience, they may have different white damage attack timing, but the finishers happen at the same times.

[graceful wigeon]

Really? I havent used another weapon in a while. So the proc only happens at the end of the attack chain and they are all the same length? Like how book does the 2 shots and then one big one and wand does 5 or 6 into the beam

[gentle ocean]

in my limited testing of the ranged weapons, comparing shortbow, book, longbow. It seemed to be that way yea. Didnt time it to say exactly but it felt that way for sure.

[somber vale]

I would recommend switching to wand for faster frozen procs. My single target rotation is typically lightning orb -> frostbolt -> wand attacks until frozen -> lightning strike -> frostbolt -> wand attacks until frozen -> firebolt -> combust -> firebolt firebolt

[graceful wigeon]

Ill invest in a wand then

Rip my magic power lol

[gentle ocean]

shatter doko?

ok your lightning ball hits by that time its frozen.

[somber vale]

Depending on the distance sometimes the ball will proc for the shattered, sometimes not.

Either way it doesn't really matter. The lightning ball is mainly there to apply the volatile stacks

[gentle ocean]

I like using a longbow, going for big damage and big crits

currently sitting at 250 magic power and 20% crit at level 19, burn the crap out of enemies with magma, conflag and my bow giving bleed (and keen edge)

[somber vale]

Tried the longbow, didn't like the feeling. Prefer rapid fire of the wand or shortbow personally. Same goes for my ranger, much prefer the shortbow

[gentle ocean]

yea to each their own, really disliked the longbow on phase 1 of alpha 2

I was a book main.

But I dislike how its hard to solo farm with the book (aoes all the mobs lmao)

[somber vale]

Hmm

[gentle ocean]

Big bow means big damage!

[somber vale]

Haha it does

[gentle ocean]

I think everyone I group up with on my friends list prefers the shortbow.

faster numbers.

especially the rangers as they like to bob and weave, get more pulls of the bow per jump and dodge.

[graceful wigeon]

You think thermal equilibrium is worth to spec into for more burns?

[gentle ocean]

is that the one for shocked + Burn or the freeze to continue conflag?

[graceful wigeon]

2nd one

[gentle ocean]

if you can keep them frozen its nice, I use it with blizzard.

[somber vale]

I haven't found a good way to incorporate that into a rotation. Conflag doesn't last long enough to keep it renewed

[gentle ocean]

Prismatic beam 3 elements burn + Conflag + blink (to get closer) + blizzard

= hell

[somber vale]

Not sure if they fixed it but the shocked + burn is bugged, the burn is always the same damage no matter what.

[gentle ocean]

same for the shatter + aftershock is bugged, shattering a staggered frozen target only triggers shattered not aftershock as well. (when using chain lightning)

[somber vale]

Oof

[graceful wigeon]

Is that why chain lightning has felt really bad for a while

[gentle ocean]

its decent now with its buff

crit can hit for like 1k+ at my power

[graceful wigeon]

Thats good, i havent tried it since the buff

[umbral seal]

anyone in here who mains ranger? is scattershot's 2nd charge buggy? like the 2nd charge just disappears sometimes after casting the 1st charge?

[elder talon]

Yes it happens frequently. Sometimes when it does it feels like it invisibly fires an uncharged one because I see a second damage number go off. The solution that works sometimes for me is to keep holding the key longer than you think you need to

[umbral seal]

i see, i'll give it a try.. in 2 days lol

[crimson smelt]

When Côme rogue ?

[lethal oar]

sometime between now and march i think?

[tropic fox]

every time someone asks its delayed by 1 hour. I think we are up to PTR in march by now

[violet dome]

Has anyone tried cleric with stacking con/men yet? It's on my bucket list. Testing whether I can become immortal 🤣

[lethal oar]

i play my cleric in heavy, scepter and shield, melee with blessed, and laugh as im a solo god in my circle of full heal. backed up with anything that dmgs and insta heals. only 14 though.

[tight moat]

I die to goblins cuz i pull too many with bard skills 😂

Summoner when

[umbral seal]

wait till your cleric gets it's dirty hands on daggers

[lethal oar]

Well, as soon as daggers are out, I'm assuming rogue will be too, and that's my real baby.

[warm hemlock]

Public testing is end of Feb if no delays.
Which means March

[gentle ocean]

Unconfirmed

I will wait for official news.

[warm hemlock]

This was confirmed by Steven in Thors interview btw

28th Jan for PTR testing, and end of feb for public testing

[cinder ridge]

If the timeline is maintained

[hollow nimbus]

oeh, so i get to play around with rogue next week! nice!

[warm hemlock]

If you have PTR then yes yes! 🙌

[warm hemlock]

Yes but as with all things in Stevenland, you have to add +2weeks to the Steven Timezone

[cinder ridge]

I am intrigued as to how Summoner will play into other classes more than the rogue, even though 99% of server pop will probably be a rogue for a short time

[hollow nimbus]

i do, i'll let you know how it goes 😄

[gentle ocean]

i wany summoner so bad, hopefully it enters with more than just wolves and birds.

[cinder ridge]

I expect the initial summoner will immulate the NPC abilities to a egree, so wolves and birds may be your initial poison

[gentle ocean]

we'll see

[cinder ridge]

and keep fingers crossed 😉

[lethal oar]

also hoping for them to be able to summon mounts, rations, weapons, "pets", just wondering how much they are going to lean into it from other games

[cinder ridge]

though in theory crafting, I would like to see the warlock (mage+Summoner) get imps that randomly echo abilities cast from the mage skills. The Shadowmancer (summoner+Rogue), get summons that go into stealth and the Conjurer (Summoner+Summoner) to get the ability to summon elementals.

I do not think we need to summon mounts... I think that would deprive a vital crafting skill

Unless you are a Paladin, then you should be able to summon a steed.

LOL

[lethal oar]

-_-

well, they already said the crafting items will be the best in the game, but would be neat if they could summon one better than the horse that also looks rad.

[cinder ridge]

I did love the EQ enchanter summons

[lethal oar]

only they can use of course. and EQ was exactly what i was thinking of

[cinder ridge]

used to hand my summons weapons

[lethal oar]

the floating sword and shield and mezzing for CC. my brother played the hell out of enchanter

[cinder ridge]

yeah I mained it, was fun af

do not forget the charm

[lethal oar]

i was basically eating glue during EQ1 because i was 10ish, but i played a lot of EQ2

[cinder ridge]

LOL I was a lot older than 10

[manic axle]

imagine a group of ranger/summoner that summon an army of Grems

[cinder ridge]

I am ancient 😄

[lethal oar]

yea, my brother was 10 years older than me and i started playing them because of him

[cinder ridge]

I have a feeling that the Ranger+summoner (Falconer) will have birds by the name alone 🙂

Now the Summoner+Ranger I imagine having wolves and bears

beastmaster

[lethal oar]

maybe it tames them?

errr, charm

[cinder ridge]

I do wish they would adopt taming of animals for rangers, but that would probably tip the scale of balance in PvP

[lethal oar]

dev reading and taking notes

[cinder ridge]

"Charm Animal" would be interesting

[lethal oar]

make it so it aggros the ranger/summoner once the pet takes certain % of damage

[cinder ridge]

As long as there were level and type restrictions

tbh, I am just a lover opf pet classes, always gravitate towards them, that and support

[lethal oar]

well, the charm breaks and also caused massive threat to the beast, so now he is forced to either kill it and what he was originally attacking or conintously keep it charmed

[cinder ridge]

WoW I feel made a huge error in standardizing pets by role

for the hunter

I remember when Mastermind came out for City of Heroes, I played the crap out of it

[lethal oar]

i didnt play a lot of hunter, and when i did it was back in wrath. i was more shaman/rogue/warr/lock kind of guy

[cinder ridge]

I do love playtesting though, my friends and I have our test characters immortalized in DDO as NPC vendors

Speaking of shamans, I hope there is something that is like a enc shaman

[lethal oar]

Bard is the closest to the shaman. swap out totems for dances and melodies. and resonant weapon for windfury

[cinder ridge]

going to assume that Fighter+Bard will be the closest

LOL Miss the EQ Bard as well, those little trouble makers

[lethal oar]

begging for SoW because you have to run across the world in the dark with a torch.

[cinder ridge]

Dark Age of Camelot had interesting variations of Bards

[lethal oar]

i just cant wait until the dust settles closer to release to see how these classes end up. i havent played one yet that i dont enjoy

[cinder ridge]

yeah NGL, I have been playing dozens of games throughout the years to get this feeling of a MMO again

[lethal oar]

also enjoy being able to respec on the fly. i hope they keep it in.

[warm hemlock]

they are not

[lethal oar]

LIE TO ME

[warm hemlock]

they are

[lethal oar]

ty ❤️

[cinder ridge]

nah respec on the fly should go away

[lethal oar]

i guess it just depends on how many dead talents we will end up with on the final version of the trees

[cinder ridge]

well, we already know that once you select your second class it will be locked in. Respecs should be allowed through a monetary contribution of in game currency and possibly a small religious quest imho

[lethal oar]

i thought i saw an interview where the second class can be changed, just going to be hard to do so

[warm hemlock]

You can change your secondary class but your main is locked in

[cinder ridge]

I am pretty sure it is locked in, I could be wrong though... The wife tells me I am quite often

see she is right

[warm hemlock]

if you change your secondary class you lose all your levels gained thus far in it

[lethal oar]

ooof

[warm hemlock]

current timer for that is 2 weeks per change

[cinder ridge]

Thank you Shadowheart

[warm hemlock]

you will need to make a new character if you want to change your main class

ofc this is all subject to change

so only take this info with a grain of salt with how early the development is rn

[cinder ridge]

I would rather they both lock in, but I am a glutten for punishment

[lethal oar]

secondary class being able to change with a lot of effort is good. I dont have enough names for alts if it couldnt

[warm hemlock]

well the regrinding of all that experience and skill points will be enough of a punishment

squeeze too hard and people will just not play

game is hardcore enough already with open world pvp and such 😅

[cinder ridge]

Fair, I am just hoping the process to change is at least an inconvenience that is at least monetarily and timewise so great that you cringe at the thought of going through the process

[lethal oar]

i think this is going to end up being a lot of older gamers flocking to it. 30-60 years. We dont mind grindfests as long as we are enganged.

[warm hemlock]

oh itll be a major inconveniance. There will be a monetary and time punishment

plus the 2 week timer before u can change again

[neon moss]

I'm excited for the servers to come back up!

[solemn yoke]

Can Fighter Blitz become a Trip? ❤️ for whoever Dev is reading

[copper dust]

Are you asking if it's possible right now or are you asking them to implement it?

[tropic fox]

Mage enchanted weapon. Put on fighter or tank? Why for both?

[copper dust]

Tank will net more procs if that matters for any kind of feedback loop (a la blessed weapon). It also helps with threat generation. If it's a static amount of damage, more procs also = higher DPS. If damage scales with weapon damage, then fighters would probably be the play.

[solemn yoke]

either add stagger or trip on the blitz

[copper dust]

I could agree with that. Tank gets stagger on Charge.

[solemn yoke]

or add effects such as stagger or bleed on Blitz depending the stances

[copper dust]

I don't know how likely it will be for them to implement it, though. Since form of celerity adds stagger to finishers already and snap CC could be abused.

[solemn yoke]

also why are stances on global cooldown? it takes forever to swap stances as a fighter mid combat?

[copper dust]

Early design implementation. There will be plenty of internal balance passes to smooth out the gameplay loop.

[solemn yoke]

imo they should guarantee a trip for fighter same as the tank has

forcing stagger in this one shot meta is so clunky

[copper dust]

Would definitely help with setting up CC on casters, instead of having to build into it and missing CC rotations because of it

Fighters are a little bare on stops and CC. They could use a little more meat to their kit.

[solemn yoke]

tbh im not asking for much, i feel like main issue is just forcing stagger for trip

[gilded osprey]

Atleast give figthers a real defensive 😁

[solemn yoke]

other than that i can live with the slow stances 🤣

i mean, having some form of mitigation buff would be nice, just to dive in and create chaos

right now playstyle is too much as an assassin

[copper dust]

Form of fluidity is meant to buff your disable resistance. I think that's all we're getting.

[solemn yoke]

stance dancing is useless with the long gcd and animation

its only okish in pve

but y if a dev is reading

make fighter insta trip, or if possible add stagger to blitz ❤️

[gilded osprey]

Atleast remove stager req from cataclysm 😅

[solemn yoke]

i can live with that

but thats the minimum

common devs, give the some love, theres too few of us around

[umbral seal]

Go fight elites that don't die in 30 seconds and use whirlwind on cooldown. The difference in speed and dmg done between this one ability with and without attack speed procs + form of ferocity is huge. We're talking about slow + boring af whirlwind vs fast + not boring whirlwind. Now forget about attack speed procs, totally take away form of ferocity for celerity for trips if the group you are running with is a tad rtarded(and yes this is alot of groups just because they don't kick/trip/interrupt when they should be doing it all by default, not to mention peeling for the cleric that pulls everything), whirlwind becomes the slowest form of a borefest across the board even with attack speed procs in this stance. P.S. this is supposed to be the fighter's biggest aoe ability so yes it's not a small deal. It's so slow, most fighters never use this in pvp because it's that sh1t. No other class has an ability that relies so much on a proc and a stance btw.

[hybrid snow]

What does stagger do? Is it any good?

[upper lava]

It allows you to set up for trips with Crippling Strike and Cataclysm, this can then combo into maim for big damage.

For large PvP you need something to root people for the pretty long wind up for it to be viable. Testing for small group you can use it if you set up for yourself with a Knock Out, as long as you know to pull damage for the set up.

[upper lava]

Stance Dancing requires the perk for it to be viable and you have to build in a spot in the rotation for the switch. Be it during a stun or while you’re waiting on CDs.

I just don’t like that fighter’s snare shares cooldown with the trip. Though an argument can be made that you can build snare into your kit by giving your deadly and extended deadly finisher snare chance instead of bleed. This would give you more control thought it will mean you need to stance dance to apply bleed with overpower or cleave to set up for Rupture and Lethal Blow.

[spring elm]

hi all, Cleric/Fighter makes templar. So i know there isnt any information on this as the archtypes arent release yet. But i cant help but think it will be like a holy paladin in WoW. lol I don't know what im trying to ask, I think I just want someone to clarify with me and say, "Yes thats exactly the class" I have had one person say "Templar will not be a healer people will want, it will be solely for solo play." so disappointing if that becomes the case

[torn imp]

we simply do not know. Hoping for some good holy dps ish variations of cleric/x or x/cleric though, don't want to always be pure healer

[tropic fox]

Is there any other 20+ heavy gear besides rividium that gives mage stats?

Well and librarians circlet

[clever wyvern]

There's a belt and bracer i think- 3 piece is viable

May go for that + cogno

[tropic fox]

Yee. Planning for 3/5 heavy and light.

[green charm]

yo

[solemn yoke]

yo upvote

[green charm]

[tropic hull]

ww in pvp is great as it grants you immunity to cc

But yeah fighter relies too much on procs and momentum in meta where fight ends in 3-5 skills

[tropic hull]

I belive it wont be so bad IF they change it for the fights to last longer by either reducing power of enchanting or increasing defenses.

But rn it sucks

Same with our defenses, you rarely get a chance to profit from blood fusion, though it might require nerf if fights last longer.

[solemn yoke]

im ok with how fast the combat is, it would just be cool if Blitz gets the same effects from stances as Overpower/brutal cleave does. for example adding a stagger to it, makes alot of sense to me, where you can combo trips. Atm its just not so easy to force a trip if your forced to global an attack first with how much damage u receive

And longbow staggers is pretty RNG, by the time you trade with a mage your already dead

[tropic hull]

Oh yeah i completely agree with your points. I just dont think this low ttk is healthy for the game

That + rolling 3-4 times in a row

[solemn yoke]

i agree, this should not be allowed: https://medal.tv/games/ashes-of-creation/clips/jxl8fraPYaNVsviQo?invite=cr-MSwxTjIsMzIxOTczNDA4LA

[tropic hull]

https://tenor.com/view/pingu-they-see-me-rollin-they-hatin-they-see-me-rollin-they-hatin-penguin-gif-16622417

Yeah shit's ridiculous

[solemn yoke]

Best case scenario i could think off to make the fighter class interesting would be: Add Root, Incap or Stagger to Blitz (depending on the stances) or
make a Trip instant. and stances no GCD or faster casts, imo its too slow to stance dance in pvp

[tropic hull]

I hate stance switch too. Root on blitz would be great. So at least people would have to roll BEFORE getting hit by blitz which is still relatively easy to do.

Now you charge in and they roll away dodging staggers, slows, incaps or whatever you throw at them

[stray meteor]

We dont know until we get the augments BUT, base kit wise, Fighter is horrible in actual practice. Just end up being a wound bot with a bow

[spiral grove]

😂

[solemn yoke]

you agree too right,

AOC DEV⚠️ : Add Root, Incap, Stagger on Blitz (Stance Dance) Make Stance faster or make a trip instant ❤️

[spiral grove]

Wholeheartedly and while we're at it. Lets buff tanks and fix them too, shall we?

[clever wyvern]

nerf bard into the ground

[dark robin]

Uses wings of salvation to break cc and walk away

[stray meteor]

People never believed me when I said Bard DPS, they learned.

[tulip grotto]

Lul bard......aww shit I'm dead

[left compass]

Whatcha hitting for? I'm 11.5k 👉👈

i think the most he'll hit for this stage is about 17-20k

and that'll require triple weapon enchant from wizards + cleric and then another bard casting wonder

[amber vortex]

I'm intrigued by this. I've hit up to 5800 when the shock stacks drop and a few mages are having fun with volatile. How are you getting 11k+?

[left compass]

I'm pretty sure its my wand build alongside crit power. Catalytic projectiles, etc. Sent you a screenshot.

[amber vortex]

Much appreciated, I'll check out out and hopefully snag a wand sometime soon. Haven't gotten one yet but for lack of trying

[left compass]

A good level 10 base legendary wand without enchanting is about as strong as a 20 heroic with some enchanting.

[stray meteor]

oh we're way behind that, Im only like 360 mag power

[upper lava]

I understand that there is a lot of issues brought up about outgoing damage, but instead of nerfing damage would a buff to defensive gear be also within reason?

[stray meteor]

started on Lyneth 4 days late and the competition doesn't require much more mag.

[stray meteor]

Ya ttk needs adjusting

Ultimately only tanks have any proper defensives

Mages shield got nerfed but its ok still.

Other than that, sustain is the only defense and spamming evade.

I think the issue most people arer having is they don't understand to dodge roll as an evasion.

[shy summit]

Cleric: Indicator for wings of mercy that shows you are within target range of target so that it doesn't use spell on self even if target is being displayed as being able to be cast on. Communal restoration cancels cast sometimes with divine infusion ( a case of trying to cast too fast). Flash heal can be used while sitting. Other than that I'd buy the guys that made the class a beer no joke.

[violet dome]

It happens with judgement too, not just communal restoration

So it's probably a problem with divine fusion

[left compass]

Outside of the meta dialogue about it not being their focus rn: as more items become available to us, which I'm sure they're thinking of, we'll start seeing more middle of the road pieces that favor both MDR and PDR; although, I'd definitely agree that tank prefix/static attributes need beefing up

[spiral grove]

Proper defensives and it still doesn't matter, you get melted. It's a joke, no tank feels like qn actual tank

[next burrow]

the values MDR and PDR are giving are just too low, combine this that they increase by 1 when upgrading an item, it is a joke compared to getting 1 stat with all the waterfall benefits at the same time. so +10 STR is way more offensive that the +10PDR/MDR will give you. Maybe a multiplyer on those stats say x10 would work so for upgrading a gear piece +1 you get lets say 1 STR but 10 PDR on it. offence is just outscaling defense massively in the current meta.

[pulsar phoenix]

new player here - got a question about weapons for bards; using spell greatsword for PvE; is wand prob my best bet for pvp?

[next burrow]

wand/book/s-longbow all are decent for the burst. wand and book give you buffed base damage and some "magical" proc effects or CDR, while S-Longbow gives raw dmg and crit dmg + a bit more Range

also I have the feeling the extended finisher procs more often on the bow than on wand/book right now but that might be a bug 🙂

[pulsar phoenix]

Hmmm I see. Spell long bow seem pretty fun to proc finishers on lol. I’ll have to give both a shot. Ty!!

[umbral seal]

Guy just posted this on vyra chat. Yup, not tanky at all.

If they reduce TTK which they eventually, probably have to, this guy is only gonna stay alive longer and probably live through it all when healers get in range.

[spiral grove]

Lol from those numbers and the amount of ppl hitting him I can already tell, he was mitigation bugging which is fixed now so this clip is really irrelevant. He didn't even blow full cds, if he did he would've been alive for way longer

Either that or every1 hitting him isn't geared whatsoever meanwhile he is

[daring sentinel]

https://tenor.com/view/ajr-brick-throw-ajr-brick-throw-jack-met-jack-ajr-gif-9892393028507050460

[daring sentinel]

sure, if you want to turn the game into a never ending gear treadmill. I rather have gear power gains capped to sane levels, so pvp is actually fun without a brainless grind.

[upper lava]

That's not what I'm say, it shouldn't be a cold war between defensive stats and offensive stats, all I'm saying is instead of reducing the stats on the weapons you increase the effectiveness of armors.

[daring sentinel]

I get that, however if you dont nerf the impact of damage related stats, and just increase the value of def stats, thats going to be the result. Such changes would just add extra steps to resource/gear grind, and people without enchanted weapons and defensive gear will be left behind even more so, pointlessly grinding 1% drop rate mats before they can join the "fun" content.

[upper lava]

It's going to be a grind regardless? With the enchantment and crafting systems it will always incentivize players to continue to progress, the game isn't meant to end at max level. Should they limit the power peaks from enchanted and legendary gear? Probably, but why should a player/guild who is willing to put in the effort to get that slight edge not be rewarded for playing the game?

[daring sentinel]

I rather have a game in which everyone can engage in all game systems, and where stats do not >>>> all. but then I prefer economy, politics, and pvp on whatever level based on player skill, group comp and cohesion, instead of being forced to constantly chasing a carrot, or you will be irrelevant. Yeah, I know a weird expectation.

[umbral seal]

i killed a 25 mage with bubble up with my 15 ranger just stat stacking... so stat stacking needs a nerf.

game is literally nothing but stat stacking atm

[upper lava]

Everyone can engage in the system, no one is barred from crafting or enchanting? So spending your time in game to acquired important materials to upgrade/craft gear shouldn't have incentive? You can use you're economic skill, or political pull to set up a means to get those things. Or in case of PvP be able to out perform someone, that is of similar gear level. Someone who has committed the resources to get good gear to fight shouldn't be penalized because of that.

[upper lava]

I'm not saying stat stacking shouldn't be kept in check

[daring sentinel]

https://tenor.com/view/nouns-nounish-nounsdao-abacus-counting-gif-16562575250327679873

Intrepid designers

[cobalt compass]

Hey fellas, when looking for groups, is there less clerics or bards?

[paper gyro]

tbh it depends on the time of day and server. Some days bards are nonexistent, some days clerics are nowhere to be found. Same for tanks.

What I would recommend is making one of each (not saying to level them both), and look at chat for about 10-20 mins and see which one you see a greater need for during your regular play times. From there, pick the one to start leveling and delete the other character slot.

[umbral seal]

there's actually alot of cleric and bard players.. the main issue you can't find them is either 1. time of day(are americans asleep?) or 2. level gap difference or both

the whole level difference changing loot % drop rates....idk if i like it atm

[daring sentinel]

not if the power gap is this large and not if Intrepid wants to maintain a healthy population in the test env and after the release. Engaging in the game systems / games makes sense only if you can compete. In a game with an open world design, and so many pvx systems, players who naturally fall back behind in the gear race, will simply drop off, if the stat provided power gap is too large. This is surely not hard to understand. People play games because they can win and lose. No one is going to be paying a sub to be a free meal.

[cobalt compass]

@umbral seal @paper gyro I see, thank you both!

[paper gyro]

Sure thing!

Also keep in mind you can honestly play either one and find a group. Bard is likely a little more laid back then Cleric. (If Clerics underperform, tanks die, teams wipe). Bards are still important, definitely, just a little more laid back. Especially with Rogue about a month away from expected release, both of these classes are going to be in much higher demand.

[umbral seal]

I made a cleric and i understand why alot of them underperform or fail. It's not cos the average cleric is that bad at all, it's because the aggro system is currently sh1t(hopefully this changes) and there's so many braindead dps players that don't peel thus making it the most stressful class atm(in a group setting).

[agile saddle]

how does a dps peel? they have some cc sure, but like 80% of the time mobs are immune to it cause its been used to set up damage spikes

chill/freeze immunity is almost permanent(cause snare is used on weapons a lot) and mages use chill to set up the shatter combo
bards use thier cc to kick mobs to prevent mob skill usage(and all bard cc counts as stun, so does freeze, so they cause immunity)
fighters use trip as part of thier combo, which causes trip immunity

the dps cant out threat a healer
so only the tank can peel, by generating more threat than the cleric

[umbral seal]

i outdps, pull aggro and often times tank on my fighter so i have no idea what you're on about. same with my level 15 ranger.

[agile saddle]

Is the mob one of the few that drop agro then go attack another target?

Like the goblins who do a sonic skill that is them rolling around to target another player, or the dwarf mages who put aoe fire under a random target

Or is the tank bad at their job, or dps going for maximum damage spikes in the first few seconds of a pull?

[umbral seal]

alot of subpar tanks around here but i'm just stating what i see across groups in general. the gap between groups that hold aggro perfectly fight and the ones that don't is pretty wide and most groups are on the later part of that gap.

only after making a cleric myself do i see the massive aggro issues cleric have outside of a well made premade group. I find myself not only keeping everyone alive but i have to run/dodge/dance around 5-10 mobs myself and keep myself alive while keeping everyone else alive at the same time. This exponentially becomes a sh1tt1er scenario when you're the only cleric in the group.

and then you got the whole other scenario where groups get trained by pyros and firestarters or whatever else and the cleric magically is the first one to pull and die without doing anything wrong.

[umbral seal]

One other factor that ties into this issue is probably the fact that i'm stat stacking and most arn't. The only players who are doing more dps/heals than me are the top 5% of players(give or take) who know how the game works, who are stat stacking and who are full on crafting.
One guy posted a pic of his cleric i believe a few days ago and the guy has 450 power or close to it.You can't get anywhere close to that without stat stacking, crafting and enchanting. I notice alot of the playerbase still doesn't know how to enchant gear, they think level 20 gear is the end all be all atm and how many people out there actually craft outside of the main guilds?

[sonic compass]

Bards have a threat reducing ability - have you clerics encoutered bards using this on you?

[amber vortex]

It's group wide 1000% threat reduction, it's not targeted

[versed viper]

Honestly I don’t see aggro issues on my Cleric. Damage is chunky but aggro is usually fine with most groups.

[late stirrup]

Get a better tank. Good tanks will rotate their aggro abilities in group settings never letting the aggro drop. If that happens, leave the group or find a new tank

Resident cleric here with almost 400 Magical power

If no tank, I grab all aggro, Since my HOTS and con can keep me alive

[spiral grove]

😂👀

[spiral grove]

Idek how this is possible

You could be spamming intimidating aura on cd and have perma aggro of everything

Unless something new gets leashed and your aura is on cd for whatever reason and even then if it's a single one you got your single taunt

[late stirrup]

Changing targets and just dpsing the mob is also a thing the tank can do, if your puller knows when to stop pulling aggro, then this works out just fine till skills are off cooldown

[rigid nimbus]

I think you are just playing cleric wrong. I’ve only been playing solo and just dps and then heal myself. Having to play healer in a group sounds horrible

[umbral seal]

Ok man

[stray meteor]

To be fair ur on eu where everyone is fully maxed and attacking everyone. Little unrealistic.

[umbral seal]

he's still mad at me for posting that vid lol

[spiral grove]

I mean even before that It was noticable x.x

No point really in trying to go tank tank build

[dark robin]

Tanks are good, but they don't shine until they have a cleric/bard to support them

[spiral grove]

hmm..

Ig that depends on your idea of "good"

[solid pendant]

what kind of gear should I rock as a ret pally type cleric? heavy armour + spell sword?

[dark robin]

i'll be 100% honest with you... if there ever comes a time when medium/leather armor is released with +int or +magic power, THAT is what you want. The way armor is setup in this game, Plate/heavy is solid for physical attacks(most of PvE mobs), but super weak to mage attacks(arsonists, etc) -- Cloth/Light armor is the same thing, but flipped for magic. This is fine in PvE, as you generally know the mob types, but for pvp? Theres so much yo-yoing of health because you can tank 1 type of damage, but get 1 shot by another. Medium armor is a balance of the two, and then you can further boost specifics(mentality elixirs, shields for armor, constitution scrolls, etc), but the "regular damage" will be balanced

as a cleric, makes it much easier to manage, we just dont have a good set of caster medium armor atm

[agile saddle]

You mean like the Medium Int set Rosethorn?

[agile saddle]

Rosethorn is a good caster medium set

[solid pendant]

Ah that looks ideal. Where do I get it?

[carmine stratus]

Gimmie rogue

[glad dock]

can we have a "Bluff" type of skill for rogue, like in Lineage 2? I think it's quite unique

[tropic hull]

its pretty much impossible to lose aggro on tank if you just use one particular skill

And i mean AoE aggro

[ebon pebble]

Can anyone tell me what kind of gear/armor is best for a ranger lvl 25? Should I go for medium and focus on dex/crit chance/crit power or better for heavy and focus on str/phys power? Usually I would say dex/crit... but right now it feels better to go for power/pen... but I just did a little testing so far and I dont want to roll on stuff that I dont really need

[glad cloak]

The weight category benefits are too little compared to items better statted. Where items lie currently you should end up with medium and heavy armor almost exclusively, with a leaning toward heavy. There are also some lvl 1 pieces better to use than lvl 10

With enchanting it is best if you can wear stuff that is lvl 10, with dex and str. Go for lvl 20 blue weapons if you can.

[ebon pebble]

Many thanks so far. This is how my stats look atm (lvl 23). Can you tell me anything about what is better to go for high dps (power/pen or crit chance/crit power)? As I said right now I am more focused on power/pen

[glad cloak]

Crit kind of sucks cause arrowstorm and barrage can’t crit (imo). Pen on the weapon talents is good which it looks like you have. I am in favor of Str>Dex>power. Str gives you accuracy also. When you can enchant like sunhaven cape, or blue bone earrings, and green/blue halcyonite rings to +8. Most people don’t really focus on gearing until 25, but you can start now. 300 is kind of the good enough value, but it can get higher than that as you get geared. If you had 170 str instead of 62, your accuracy would go up to 17% which would be good.

I could give a bis list but security through obscurity. Would be more open if people could inspect but lots of people read this discord, and I have to pvp them

Edit: I’m wrong barrage can crit.

[dark robin]

If you are just curious as to what options you have, you can go to a site like this: https://ashescodex.com/planner and mess around with different paths

[shut niche]

I would really like to see a stat aggregation section in that planner

[dark robin]

10000%

[solid pendant]

is ranger good for solo farming?

[spiral grove]

Yes

Buff tanks

[prime wasp]

Is there a consensus on long vs short bow for ranger?

[dark robin]

Most enjoy short bow for faster attacks and pulls

Long bow gives more damage, but its a bit slower. Typically used by fighter or tank, who prefer melee

[prime wasp]

Thanks, gonna be switching to short and give it a go. Range difference doesn't seem substantial from the little I have messed with it. And the quicker auto is nice.

[tulip grotto]

Ya I use longbow on tank just because I'm only shooting it a couple times anyways so may as well get a few extra damage

[spice zealot]

anyone got a mage wand and secpter skill tree that i can take a look at trying to see what i should be going with

[kindred knot]

Proc rate for finishers, deadly finishers, and extended deadly finishers is higher for longbow. Your finishers are also different for longbow than what you have to pick from on short bow. Also keep in mind for short bow in group play your snare will make mobs immune to chill which reduces a mages ability to freeze targets for shatter combos which massively reduces their damage output. Longbow also has perks for PvP aside from hitting harder and giving more stats so your abilities hit harder, longbow max range is higher than ability max range for ranger AND mage so it allows you to engage or kite more effectively with less risk.

[glad cloak]

Arrowstorm too strong but short TTK means longbow can 3 shot people when geared.

Ranger is ok but not good solo. You can solo kill mobs but you can’t aoe farm like most other classes. Better than tanks solo, that is about it. Mages can aoe heavy dps and root slow aoe kite, fighters regen blood, clerics can’t die, idk bards

[kindred knot]

Not sure where you’re pulling this from, ranger is great for AoE farming with more mobility than a mage for kiting. Yes it’s less big burst damage but triple penetrating scatter shot, the lightning shot applying shocked to all targets, double disengage, dodge roll vaulting, and a root. Unless you’re fighting pyros or get unlucky with mobs spamming charge abilities with no CD you can easily solo AoE farm. A lot of it comes down to how skilled you are with your movement, timing cd’s to interrupt/root abilities like bladestorm where mobs can’t reach you before the ability ends, and knowing the AI of the mobs. Also not forcing immunity buffs preventing you from countering the mobs. But that’s also required for pretty much any solo.

[solid pendant]

So is ranger's camo supposed to be random as to how invisible you are or is it bugged? Also doesn't seem to have any effect against mobs

[warm hemlock]

Its a pvp ability

[agile saddle]

its bugged, has no effect on mobs
its supposed to be active camo like Halo

[prime wasp]

Problem is then that it does not state that

[warm hemlock]

correct

kits are unfinished

[prime wasp]

Should just be an update to the skill text though. "against other players"

[warm hemlock]

Absolutely agree

we just have to wait for Intrepid to "get round to that"

so

[prime wasp]

Better yet, just make it work for pve and pvp

[warm hemlock]

that would be wonderful

[waxen kindle]

Reading PTR patch notes for next and assuming they go live, the tank changes are going to fundamentally change PvE. Personally I think it's good but man folks are going to cry when you cannot do mass pulls anymore.

[barren sail]

def some bad changes

[marsh coral]

Link to changes?

[obsidian fable]

https://x.com/AOCIntel/status/1883236356362834112

Ashes of Creation Intel (@AOCIntel) on X

1/25/25 Ashes of Creation PTR Patch Notes

Huge additions to the desert, class balancing, NPC fixes, visual updates, UI updates, guild levels + skill tree.

A thread 🧵

#Ashesofcreation

X · Jan 25, 2025, 7:31 PM

[marsh coral]

Am I blind? I don't see anything about Tanks here

[obsidian fable]

theres multiple images in the thread

you may have to have an x account to see the rest actually

[marsh coral]

Is this the one, basically?

https://www.reddit.com/r/AshesofCreation/comments/1i9vch2/huge_new_ptr_update_huge_additions_to_the_desert/

[waxen kindle]

That is just the desert changes. I saw them from no1 video and it has balance changes for most classes.

[obsidian fable]

yeah but that just links to the same x thread i linked

wait i think i saw a raw text file somewhere one sec

shoutout @mint terrace

[waxen kindle]

Mitigation will still be close actually...

So before it was 10% for courage, 10% for grit, 2% for iron aura. Now it's 20% for grit (double stacked) and 5% for iron aura.

Bigger thing is basically all the CD's got nerfed. Indomitable, fortify, intercept, absorption field. Along with a massive 50% less threat gen.

It will be interesting to see how it works out, overall I think they are good changes. As tank DMG is buffed and self sustain so solo play or small group play is way better. Along with PvP

[barren sail]

FIghters beserk nerf is huge, bard nerfs are huge

kinda put off from continuing to play6

[waxen kindle]

Seems a bit dramatic since they gave you a cc break for battle shout to replace it

[tall bone]

Thank you! Prefer to linking X

[marsh coral]

"Pressing ESC will no longer cancel abilities that have consumed a cost. This will make it so that Bard Music isn't canceled by hitting ESC" 🫡

So if I read this correctly:

Bards = less dps, more support
Tanks = less tanky, more dps
Fighters = more versatily

Looks fine honestly

[broken flint]

berserk nerf isn't as big, since you still swapping 1 point for another that does the same thing. imo the changes are fine in that regard b/c it means now our berserk is used offensively instead of defensively when cc'ed, which forced you to use it early when not intending to.

The BIGGEST issue is the nerf to our single target low cooldown trip going from Crippling Blow to Wallop. Wallop's animation is janky and makes it so that following up with Maim, you are only able to utilize 1 second of the trip itself since the animation of Wallop is so bad and it has a longer activation time on top of the animation itself being bad. Wallop also uses both mana and momentum, which is another big downside.

[solid pendant]

is camo visually bugged or its random whether it works or not?

[umbral seal]

it's a bug

[upbeat plover]

and cleric change was quite good imo

gives more a tradeoff between mend/flash heal instead of one being better than the other in every way

[solid pendant]

looks like regens back on the menu boys!

[woven mica]

Are there any class guides to help out a newbie?

[frank anchor]

Tanks being less tanky is kind of pointless to do. Adding dps is nice sure but ultimately our role is to tank not take over for fighters. But it’s just the base class I can’t wait to see what a guardian brings to the tankiness of the class

[frank anchor]

Experiment that’s what this is all for meta is useless, you will be an expert at launch don’t worry so much. We have free endless respecs

[deft lintel]

I just made my first Bard. Are the melodies supposed to last forever? The tooltip implies that they are only active for that 30ish seconds of channeling. My buff is continuously refreshing though.

[marsh coral]

Yes, Melodies are "fire-and-forget", you don't need to press them again

[tame light]

unless...you press esc or get stunned, then they vanish and you need to cast them again xD

[waxen kindle]

With low damage and low sustain, it makes tanks virtually useless in PvP and unable to solo. Tanks needed a damage/sustain buff (which they got).

Threat got a massive nerf which was needed, a lv 15 tank is able to generate 3k AoE threat per second with 1 ability.

Mitigation we will see. Theoretically tanks have the same mitigation as before, but they are making tanks a build/spend class to maintain that mitigation. Which tanks are by nature reactionary so building through combos isn't reliable, meaning mitigation won't be as reliable. So this is more a "good to test and get feedback" change IMO.

[fallow escarp]

worth noting that mob crit was significantly reduced as well. You can have 25% crit avoidance, currently, and still frequently be popped pretty hard. That could help alleviate some issues a tank face

[mint sapphire]

Still feels like this would not be to strong because of the low duration of mark and the long cooldown, but it's atleast abit better sustain then before

[versed viper]

Flash is an oh shit button. Mend was for small healing but will be better at it now. Deliverance was for bigger healing. None were the same thing though lol. Not interchangeable. But a lot of people used flash wrong which was a problem. I think this change should force them to only use it as emergency now.

[amber vortex]

The channeling will come into play later in the leveling when you get further up the skill tree. They're permanent unless you turn them off

[deft lintel]

@marsh coral @tame light @amber vortex Thank you all for the responses. 🙂
I don't like that it drops off when I press escape. I was wondering why it kept disappearing. I press escape to clear my target sometimes.

[frank anchor]

Where are you getting this btw I have looked through the last update on the 23rd it doesn’t mention any of this.

[pale mesa]

So when you multiclass, do you get the ability to use any of the weapons from that class? IE if I play Ranger as my starting class and then multiclass into rogue later when it comes out, will I be able to use either bow or rogue weapons?

[versed viper]

You can use all weapons from the start. Everyone can. Gear too.

[pale mesa]

oooh okay

[marsh coral]

Tank
Vengeance
Damage increased from 90/100/110% to 120/130/150%
Temporary health increased from 0.1/0.2/0.3% to 2/2/2%
Removed Courage cost. Added a mana cost of 10 and an 8-second cooldown per charge
Targeting has changed from AOE to single target
No longer breaks combo progression, allowing it to be weaved between combos
Successive combos cancel some post frames from each previous combo step
Incoming hits now reduce the cooldown by 0.5 seconds, and blocked hits reduce the cooldown by 1 second
Has a 1 second internal cooldown
Temporary health duration increased from 10 seconds to 8 seconds
Multiple temporary health stacks now properly expire
Final combo attack now stuns the target for 3 seconds
Grit
Changed from a toggle ability to now have a 10-second duration which may be stacked up to 2 times
Each activation now costs 40 courage
Each stack grants 10% physical mitigation
Removed the damage penalty and threat bonus
No longer breaks combo progression
The Supernatural Grit passive will now grant half of the physical mitigation as magical mitigation
Courage (passive)
No longer provides passive mitigation
Inciting Strikes
Damage increased from 50% per hit to 75% per hit
Now generates 3 courage per hit per enemy hit, and up to 10 enemies per swing
Threat multiplier reduced from 400% to 300%
Ground Pound
Cooldown reduced from 60 seconds to 20 seconds
Courage cost increased from 33 to 50
Slam
Damage decreased from 200% to 175%
Removed the mana cost and cooldown
Each activation now costs 40 courage
Removed the Knockback passive
Absorption Field
Temporary health reduced from 20% to 15%
Iron Aura
Increased mitigation from 2% to 5%
Intercept
Temporary health increased from 8% to 10%
No longer has an increased effect when cast on self
Fortify
No longer scales duration off Courage consumed
Indomitable Spirit
Max health and healing received has been reduced from 30% to 20%

[frank anchor]

I appreciate this but it doesn’t answer the question what is the source. Did I miss something when I clicked the link for the update on the 23rd? Or is this a different update?

[marsh coral]

Yeah it's the same ( 25th PTR )

[frank anchor]

So I read through what I seen there and it mentioned nothing like this

[marsh coral]

I think you need to have an X account to view the whole thing, I got the transcript from Reddit

[marsh coral]

There are also some pretty massive changes for Bards and Fighters

[frank anchor]

This is all I got

[marsh coral]

https://www.reddit.com/r/AshesofCreation/comments/1i9vch2/huge_new_ptr_update_huge_additions_to_the_desert/

[frank anchor]

Have to have an X account? 😩 that just seems pushy to me. Thanks for the info I do appreciate it.

[marsh coral]

You're looking at the updates for the Live version, we're talking about the PTR updates, which Intrepid does not publish on the website until they go live

[static cipher]

deleted X and refuse to give him any clicks.

[frank anchor]

https://forums.ashesofcreation.com/discussion/65618/alpha-two-update-notes-thursday-january-23-2025/p1

this is what I clicked on in news 🤷🏻‍♂️

Oh so these changes have not even come live yet?

[marsh coral]

The ones you linked, yes.
The ones we're discussing, not yet, they will turn live next Thursday

Check the Reddit link I sent and scroll down to the posts of user "Highborn_Hellest"

"Shrines will now automatically attune when you are a small distance away" -> This is going to be crazy good too

[frank anchor]

Ok so joining X just gives me a view of what’s to come

[marsh coral]

You don't even have to join X, people post them there for simplicity I think

[daring sentinel]

https://tenor.com/view/i'm-retired-luke-brunner-arnold-schwarzenegger-fubar-i've-left-the-service-gif-2782022267611118542

bards?

[frank anchor]

What I mean is all the changes to tank and the stuff you posted that I didn’t know about that is not in effect yet that’s a future update

[marsh coral]

exactly, it's coming next week

[frank anchor]

Ok I don’t care about that as much lol thanks for the clarification

[marsh coral]

Bard
Bard Resonance has been added as a stat to the player’s HUD
Dark Lullaby
Single Target
Damage bonus per debuff on target reduced from 15% to 3%
AOE
Damage bonus per debuff on target reduced from 10% to 3%
Base damage increased from 25% to 35%
Chilling Lament
Single Target
Damage reduced from 75% to 60% of base damage
AOE
Reduced base damage from 50% to 40%
Discordance
Reduced damage from 75/50/25% to 50/37.5/25%
Cooldown reduced from 25 seconds to 15 seconds
Mock
Base damage increased from 110% to 125%
Fiery Wit burn damage reduced from 75% to 60%
Resonance
Will now grant an extra stack at the end of songs and dances
Resonant Weapon (Menacing)
Shock stacks applied reduced from 5 to 1 per stack consumed
Sagas
Will now have a 90-second cooldown
Will not consume theme buffs
Themes have been reworked to target base stats and optionally stack or weave with each other
Fortissimo will now empower melodies at the cost of resonance
Pantheon Saga has been reworked to grant a mana restoration weapon buff
Nimble Dance will prioritize dispelling crowd control effects
Polished the animation and timing for a variety of Sagas

[daring sentinel]

thx, I'm aware, it was a joke about the incoming bard changes. I suppose I'm pretty bad at this jester stuff.

[spiral grove]

F tank changes less tanky, grit is troll now..vengeance finally started to become useful but got turned into ST, inciting strikes is still a meme skill and Slam got nerfed???

[marsh coral]

Well, people complained about Tanks not doing enough damage... they got what they wanted 🤣

[spiral grove]

Idk the base values on some of the skills are very very questionable

Inciting strikes being 50% to 75% now is ???

[waxen kindle]

I saw it on no1 YouTube video. It's PTR so not under NDA but also not publicly posted.

[daring sentinel]

I'm a bard, I mean bored

[waxen kindle]

It hits twice, so from 100% to 150% is nice. It was already a really good threat ability and now it also builds courage. Overall it's solid

[versed viper]

It’s ptr patch notes so it’s under nda but people who have access are allowed to post the notes so it usually gets posted to https://x.com/AOCIntel

Ashes of Creation Intel (@AOCIntel) on X

Latest for all things Ashes of Creation. Intrepid Studios's new MMORPG currently in Alpha. Follow for updates, gameplay and more. Not affiliated with Intrepid.

X

[frank anchor]

thank you this was already resolved 🙂

[hybrid snow]

You have grit up all the time

On tank

[agile saddle]

not for long if the changes im hearing about from ptr go into the game

[hybrid snow]

You can have it up all time. Im on ptr

[agile saddle]

so you can upkeep the 40 courage cost every 10 seconds?

[hybrid snow]

You can click grit every 9-10 sec yeah

[agile saddle]

yeh its got a 10 second duration now
wasnt sure the courage cost was worth

[floral sphinx]

Rolling a new character. For ranger, does shortbow = DPS, while longbow = spike damage?

[elder talon]

sort of, yeah. I think longbow is also better for pulling because it ends up doing better aoe and using cooldowns better. so you can run out and pull then come back press buttons and do a bunch of damage and go pull again.

[floral sphinx]

Okay cheers 👍

[eager walrus]

Any fighters got recs for leveling? I know class is weak, at 10 already

[clever wyvern]

Fighter isn't weak but soloing in general is slow

[surreal salmon]

Hey, anyone else noticed that chain lightning doesnt proc SHOCK charges, even though you have volatile from ball lightning and/or prismabeam?🤔

[barren shell]

Anyone have tips for BiS Cleric gear?

[marsh coral]

Join a group, go to Highwaymen Hills, get a lot of Strength and Dexterity gear, profit.
Keep your head down until level 12, then you'll get Blood Fusion and you'll sustain yourself forever in both group play and solo.
Use Brutal Cleave, Raging Blitz and Battle Cry to build up Momentum, dump it on fully upgraded Whirlwind.
Fighter isn't weak in PvE... PvP is another story

[uncut bear]

Rogue kit got leaked today, looks pretty damn fun. Very single target as expected. Going to be tough to level with potentially

[daring sentinel]

group up, I would not solo level after 10-12. Join a party for HH and other group POIs with good drops. Fighter has its issues as an archetype, but I wouldnt call it weak. some of that stuff should get addressed if Intrepid wakes up and addresses time to kill issues

[sinful solstice]

I've just started playing and decided to pick bard as my class, however I die very easily and a lot of times; is there something I'm doing wrong? Am I supposed to dodge every single attack? I don't think I have enough stamina for all those attacks. While the game's quite fun, the combat is quite challenging for me.

[daring sentinel]

have you picked up magic based weapons at the start?

[sinful solstice]

I have, I have a scepter and shield for melee, and my default spellbook for ranged

Altough I don't really do melee attacks

[weak lion]

At level 5 you get resonant weapon. Play cheerful melody, auto attack with any magic weapon, self heal when needed. When mana gets low, stop fighting and run pensive melody. For more damage run Menacing Melody and auto attack . This is faster damage but more dangerous. DON'T interrupt your auto attacks if possible. Change your settings to always auto attack.

[sinful solstice]

I'm lvl 4, so for now that seems like a lot of respeccing in-between combat

But thanks a ton for the tips! I'll def try that out!

[weak lion]

Sorry, I wasn't fully clear. For each non melody you cast, you get one point in resonant weapon. That includes things like flourish which you can cast twice. You want to build up 4 stacks and you can go up to 10. The 30 second timer resets for each cast so its easy to build up using any spell. Then your auto attack has to go through a full cycle and complete the finisher. If you look closely at the resonant icon there is a really tiny number to show stacks.

[balmy snow]

Where's it at

👀

[waxen kindle]

For those on PTR how does tank changes feel?

[agile saddle]

https://youtu.be/Tz1XtuzCUr4?si=MNbMRawRTvsd5kgb

not sure but nyce covered it

[uncut bear]

There is also a document with all the abilities in it, not sure if google doc links are allowed to be shared here tho

[agile saddle]

They are
Feel free to post it
Only one at fault for the leaks is a A1 player who was on the ptr

[uncut bear]

https://pastebin.com/Xzhm67Lz

Im interested to see what all applies the poisons.

[ancient mountain]

is bleed a good build for fighter?

[marsh coral]

It's pretty much what Fighters do by default? Not much to "build"
Brutal Cleave ( or Overpower ) into Rupture into Lethal Blow is the filler you'll use while waiting for Whirlwind to come online

[spiral grove]

@rigid mortar You made a vid regarding the tank changes from PTR already or nah?

[obsidian fable]

no1 did

[spiral grove]

Kke ty

I heard sum about it but 👂 wasn't sure

obvs NDA but figured thoughts etc regarding it

[rigid mortar]

na waiting til they go live

[spiral grove]

From what i could read...it sounds bad and looks it too

[versed viper]

looks like only slightly different versions than the skills leaked a few weeks ago that are on the wiki

but the wiki versions have damage numbers

well this is fucking broken

[uncut bear]

also applied by death mark

[versed viper]

yea saw that too, so rogue pops out of stealth, hits you with death's mark to make you take 10% more damage and than has 30 seconds to kill you (I assume they need last hit based on how it's worded) and they get 50% HP and skill resets

I suppose the downside is it won't work well in group fights cause they can't stealth unless they're far away from everyone, and if you're out in the wild alone sure they can gank you but you can delay fighting back and screw up their buff, or just not fight back and they get corrupted quickly cause they're trying to rush a kill

[uncut bear]

Seems very likely that rogue won't get many slots for large scale pvp and for pve content. Just not enough AOE potential. If the damage numbers are high then maybe a few will be slotted.

[rocky ledge]

can someone link me to where the patch notes for each shutdown gets posted?

[kindred knot]

As long as people don’t understand the toolkit this will be the case. Once people figure out the flow of the class I see it being mandatory especially with the changes to the tank, and possibly getting nerfed. AoE blind reducing targets accuracy, AoE trip, shadow cascade dealing increased damage based on missing health and applying bleed and hemorrhaging to all targets hit by the AoE. it all comes down to how good you are with adapting to the situation and using your skills to gain advantage and using that advantage buff on the right skills at the right time. It definitely sounds like a high skill cap class and it’s better kitted for high single target damage with stacking poison and double duration bleed. The bleeds will also scale fighter damage as they will now be able to more consistently apply hemorrhaging to more targets. Bleed stacks will also be stacked back up faster after being consumed. I definitely see rogue as more of a support style damage for AoE and will shine in single target encounters for dungeon/raid bosses.

Also if there’s not the same conditions to the umbral cloak spell entering stealth you’ll have a way to reset stealth for marking your targets and gain another advantage buff.

[plush pawn]

Does anyone know if a bard with two melodies active with Counterpoint can have two effects from resonant weapon proc?
If I was running damage and mana, could I get the shocked effect and the mana return with 4 stacks or would I need 8 stacks to proc both at the same time?

[spiral grove]

Tank buffs where? - I think the changes were a nerf, no? Was it really necessary to touch our survivability skills?