alpha-two-archetype-chat

[proper hearth]

ranger is useless?

longbow is useless?

[fervent rock]

it needs some tweaks for sure

[radiant night]

I was Ranger, sitting and eating (and server ticks issue was making this even worse) and I tried bard now, killing barely slower, but with almost 0 downtime.
Even with Ranger life regen skill, it felt like trying to fill a pool with a leaking spoon.
I'm not a fan of sitting every few pulls, just waiting for regen. Could regen ramp up when not in combat? (And way more when sitting/eating)

Really needs some tweaking

[fervent rock]

started mine yesterday and its night an day, saw someone streaming doing like 15

mob pull and comming out with full mana and health

its like ok but I pull 2 mobs and almost die feelsgreatman

Ill be trying some of the different classes out, probably going mage in december and summoner in beta release cause summoner is where my hearth is, so we'll see

[silk dirge]

What is best combos for bards weapon wise?

[fervent rock]

idk I got scepter and book atm

someone said he enjoyed the 2h spellbow with a book I think

to get as much power as possible

[silk dirge]

Yeah, I’m running book+scepter

Would like to find an spellbow

[fervent rock]

found a tin one on my ranger but vendord it :<

regrets

[silk dirge]

That sucks!

Hopefully I will be able to take level 10 quickly on Friday, got a green spellbook

[fervent rock]

just hope summoner is gonna be good cause I am looking forward to it 😄

[silk dirge]

Maybe it will be a bit easier solo stuff than before!

[fervent rock]

just find another player and duo or so to grind faster

easier to find groups as bard as well so you can somewhat chill

[silk dirge]

Yeah, normally goes for groups but also enjoy my own pace!

Yeah lot of ppl wants the bard

[fervent rock]

I soloed alot on the ranger so enjoying group life atm 😛

[lofty dew]

if the server tickrate is messed up then it ruins bard mana regen
if servers are smooth its functionally impossible to run out with pensive melody + hymn

[fervent rock]

cant wait for firday

[fervent rock]

I click my skills on cooldown :>

[lofty dew]

everyone does

[fervent rock]

I know thats a lie

[lofty dew]

any actual mmo gamer does

you cant run out with pensive + hymn

its physically impossible

but the servers have to be running well

[silk dirge]

One thing about the melody, is it just me that doesn’t understand the spell? Sometimes it is active all the time, sometimes it stops and i have to recast it seversl times

[lofty dew]

if you dont recast it every 20 seconds, then it doesnt apply the passive regen to your party

but it DOES still proc the passive weapon combo regen, and YOU still get the passive regen

[silk dirge]

Hm ok!

Can i for example play two different melodies and keep juggling?

[lofty dew]

I did not test that, im not sure.
theres also this talent, but I didn't try it

[silk dirge]

Yeah I have seen that talent,

Oh well, more testing is needed! But I’m quite certain some times my mana melody was just keep giving mana longer than 20s and sometimes it just stopped directly

[lofty dew]

basically whatever your most recent melody that you 'completed' will continue to give 'you' personally the benefits of it, but not your party. which also means you can still get the weapon procs from it

(which sometimes benefit your party)

its weird

but your mount will cancel melody effects.

[silk dirge]

But normally how I checked it was active was by tracking the ticks on others players also.

[lofty dew]

its only truly active if you have the 20s bar filling up

[silk dirge]

🫡

[lofty dew]

the mana ticks can happen from weapon combos from pensive even if its not active however

but they're missing the other effect

[silk dirge]

Ah ok!

Thanks a bunch! Needs to learn that better to track I guess!

[spice radish]

Once they implement it, castbar will be interrupted by attacks, just like in wow

[proper hearth]

i meant with sustain

mb

im drunk

[radiant night]

If you switch zone, the meshing does not transfer the melody and you have to recast it.
If you mount, it ends (but not visually)

[shadow trail]

How to solve mana problems as a mage without a bard?

(and stamina but thats a whole other topic)

[dry iris]

Resting

[loud silo]

Only thing I've seen is mounts dropping your melody. Have not seen it dropping just from crossing server borders

[lean whale]

No skills for 2nd archetype?

Feels like we.should get some big sad on that

[cursive void]

i dont know anything about the plans for the 2ndary archtypes i think there was one thing said some time ago, but since we are over a half year out whose to say plans dont change a bit

[lean whale]

Yea id hope we get some news soon lol. I like thinking of builds

[echo cape]

Tank was a BLAST and I’m thoroughly looking forward to next weekend

[lofty dew]

I honestly think they should just scrap augments completely 😅

The scope is unbelievable

[vast pebble]

Looking to make a big wall with other tanks.

[marsh coral]

Phase 3 will have classes for Tanks and Clerics

[proper hearth]

i think it might be rather that there will be option to go tank or cleric secondary, that would make more sense

[marsh coral]

¯_(ツ)_/¯
at least we know it's sometime around May

[proper hearth]

you new here?

[queen dew]

I was thinking about bard and the aoe or single ability choices. Maybe eliminate the choice and just have it be single if targeting self or friendly and be aoe if no target or enemy target. Didn't like having to switch tree every time I wanted to.

[wanton ocean]

from my experience, it stays on until something stops it, which including any CC from mobs (a stun or such will stop your active song), mounting, and some things I couldn't identify (I think some mob abilities might be an interrupt without CC attached that would stop them, I'm not sure though)

[wanton ocean]

maybe as a third option that would work, but I very much like being able to have an ally targeted for a heal and still be able to aoe mana regen and alacrity, for example. it would be a pain to have to un-target every time I wanted to cast them

[pine badger]

cant wait to test the paladin

[marsh coral]

Opening and closing your skill tree will also reset the Melody, and I think other UI interactions such as opening and closing the Map, the Inventory, etc

BTW Sagas are bugged right? The Apocalypse never works for me, and Blessing of the Ages does nothing like 20% of the time. The only ones that work 100% of the time for me are The Silent Pantheon and Horrors of the Void

[steady plank]

Im sure I had that too, I saw the mana ticks on people for longer than 20s

[agile saddle]

same for me, but horrors has no visual skill effects for me

[wanton ocean]

yeah, it 100% keeps going after 20s with full effect

[agile saddle]

my favourite bug i found was you keep the melody visual skill efffect when you mount up, so you can get all the rings around you while you run around

[wanton ocean]

I knew changing skills was doing it, I didn't think about inventory and map, that explains why I couldn't get it to stay on when I was running around town doing stuff though

[marsh coral]

Bard soloiong the Phantoms in Church of the Seven be like

[steady plank]

I had issues sometimes when I couldnt call my horse, never really worked out what it was, seemed to be as I still had melody ticking or something...was wierd (and I know you have to call the horse twice...it wasnt that)

[marsh coral]

Oh shit THAT'S why I kept getting more and more rings the longer I played omfg

So, Crescendo or Counterpoint? Which one is better?

[lean whale]

Agree you can literally just give them limited points in the second archetype tree

[wanton ocean]

counterpoint if you keep it utilized is better, but crescendo is much easier to use (can be better in some instances if you really need a specific song boosted)

crescendo's also much easier to play around with dissonance and/or harmony, trying to utilize one or both of those with counterpoint sounds like a lot to keep track of, and also means you're sinking a lot of points into your songs and melodies

[agile saddle]

your horse could have died, since you probably left it somewhere(it has a 10min cooldown if it does)
if you are calling it twice, first call desummons it

[agile saddle]

i prefer crescendo, use it to pump out mana when the mages are low, then swap to other melodies like menacing until they are low again

[steady plank]

It wasn't dead, pressing 'Esc' seemed to fix it then it would summon, couldnt get the bottom of what caused it

[charred seal]

Cleric, Mage, Ranger and Bard seem to be awesome. Fighter and Tank, not so good presumably because melee. Cant help feeling that both tanks and fighters have to be generally less suceptable to melee hits without using dodge or block, or needing armor. Maybe a passive "parry"%, to balance. I like the punishing hits for kiting classes that get it wrong, but the melee classes (particularly the fighter and presumably the rogue) need something to compensate for not being able to kite. Maybe it is just shields need to be buffed.

[lofty dew]

I think ranged in general just needs an accuracy nerf compared to melee
tanks and fighters are sitting in bows often in pvp

[charred seal]

Surely the idea is to make melee as happy as ranged classes, not make the ranged classes as miserable as the melee classes. This seems incredibly er...Socialist.🤐

[pine badger]

i found nothing wrong with tankin but i also play in action mode with no auto attack and dont spam my spells. i solod a lot of stuff you can build for dmg every button matters if an ability always crits when enemy is tripped you need to set up proper. idk ive heard this a bunch tho im def the odd man out and find it super enjoyable way more than ranged

i realize i need to be good with blocks

and reflect is amazin when timed right big dmg

thats actually what draws me to the class

[charred seal]

Yeah - I def thought the tank was in a better place than fighter

[pine badger]

did not play fighter the tank sucked me in haahaha

my group build is vastly dif from my solo build too which is also another aspect of combat in this game that just has me hooked

[jaunty bone]

I’d recommend looking up the definition of socialist, as you clearly don’t know it. The TTK for everyone is too quick at these levels in pvp, that melee suffering the most from that. Gap closers don’t do much when a mage can kill your in a single rotation at lvl 20

[marsh coral]

Fair, I typically only use Crescendo with Pensive Melody and the 3 Themes of Mystery since the Sagas I want to use don't really work
Mana Regen roughly goes from something like +8/tick to +15/tick that way.

[eager hornet]

Melees deserve to have fun

[gloomy lotus]

Any archetype but mage is D tier

[charred seal]

The original Marxist definition of socialism was that one group had to be destroyed, before another could take it's place, but this isn't the place for a political discussion.

[proper hearth]

i mean, when you normalize it then yes

[gloomy lotus]

8 man mage ball is only way to play this game. All lightning and cold. No fire.

[queen dew]

@wanton ocean oh yeah that's a fair point. I'd like to try that see if it would be annoying. Especially since esc is cancelling melody...dunno if that's intended

[charred seal]

I wanted to try that next because conflag was so good for the Cleric, it would be good if cold was better for the mage.

[gloomy lotus]

Cold is just fun

[pine badger]

i feel this is a git gud situation i had a blast lol

not even in a mean way

melee is punished for not building right big time

[eager hornet]

Well I haven’t actually played it yet

Haha

[pine badger]

i like that i have to think and understand that somethings will fuck me up haha

[pine badger]

do you play souls games or any action combat game? if so youll enjoy melee

if you play melee in those games

[eager hornet]

Oh trust me I’m a melee enjoyer

Sekiro, nioh 2, ff14 I played samurai/ninja

[pine badger]

You're gonna love it then. Go full st dps set up as tank for solo content shield charge trip and pulverize with reflect its op af so much dmg from a class ppl perceive to not do dmg. I only change one ability for group and thats the threat tick aura. You have to time thay reflect tho. And rhe self heal. I feel strong af thats my lvl 10 build sword m board with short bow

[eager hornet]

I’m waiting for rouge in December

[pine badger]

Rogue gonna be epic

I play rogues in dnd

[eager hornet]

I can’t wait lol

[pine badger]

If I'm not paladin

[loud silo]

Rogue x cleric is what I'm aiming for. Cultist is the class, interested to see how they play

[eager hornet]

Rouge x fighter for me probably

[pine badger]

Most def the strider is really pulling me too. It's awesome stuff

[untold patio]

Counterpoint doesn't affect Resonant Weapon, does it? you still only get the proc of the one you're channeling?

[marsh coral]

I'll test it this Friday, kinda bonkers if you get both effects at once

[untold patio]

yeah I don't think it does. I tried out counterpoint and my group's mana sustain immediately went to heck

[proper hearth]

https://youtu.be/aUeJWyWLHc4?si=7aKTbeTXkg2pciAA&t=369 ye, exactly what i was talking about

ranger 25 cant do that to lv22 mage

not that fast at least

mages are just overtuned

[marsh coral]

I swear imma make a Rogue just to dunk on y'all 👿

[proper hearth]

[marsh coral]

ihihih

[proper hearth]

i tihnk grapplr is a bit wrong here, mage can do that on 30m range, except this finisher, but after burn hes left with like 25% hp, lighting strike or frost bolt and he is dead

its very hard to duel a mage

but yea, if you get a free opener on them then you win, but otherwise its just impossible to cast snipe cuz they kill you faster than your snipe cast time

you are offline but linked your vid so only fair to mention you for response

@winged imp

and frost bolt with slow you + then basic attakcs are also slowing you, yet get freezing effect and then lighting strike for shatter

unsurvivable

something worth to explore is the double silence combo into snipe

that prob gives highest chance to beat them

but i dont think mage should be able to outdamage ranger in single target that hard 😕

[loud silo]

You can cast snipe while airborne and moving

[little haven]

It's almost like Rangers NEED some kind of wilderness camo that gives them a chance for that opening shot.

[loud silo]

So use disengage then dodge roll mid air to a snipe keeps you moving while you channel. My snipe is down to 3.1 Second cast time right now

[proper hearth]

its not the point though

like i said before, ranger has good damage, its just that mage probably has too much single target damage

[little haven]

I'm sure it's going to get balanced out.

And I'm not disagreeing with you.

[proper hearth]

ye ye, im not worried, just something to point out

[modest shoal]

I wanna hear how everyone feels about each class

Friday will be my first day to play

[shy dragon]

https://www.reddit.com/r/AshesofCreation/s/o7B8gle2iA

I posted this about bard melodies (Pensive, epic, and cathartic) and interested to see if others share the same thoughts or have suggestions

[loud silo]

Bard got a bunch of changes today including a semi nerf to resonant weapon which is what makes pensive so strong

[shy dragon]

I think you'll still see Pensive as a required staple

[loud silo]

Mana regen will always be a necessity. Sustain is the most important thing for any group

[shy dragon]

So you either make the sustain an automatic bard given ability, or you remove the sustain entirely.

It will make every bard have to take Pensive and homogenize class identity

Err playstyle

Not class identity

[loud silo]

Bards being pigeonholed into only pensive is a build issue tbh. People only view them as batteries and complain if they don't use it. I tend to weave my melodies for whatever is going on. Pensive isn't 100% uptime for me.

[shy dragon]

But you're still taking Pensive. You are, at this juncture, required to have Pensive in some capacity.

I'm just wondering if maybe there's a way to not have bards required to take Pensive. Weaving is fine and encouraged. My problem lies with how Pensive is a required skill point use

Which is the primary suggestion of a song that increases mana regen when resting and giving that automatically

Still requires weaving

But is not forced as a skill point use

[loud silo]

If you have a mana regen ability on any class people will always take it. It is a necessity, in any game, because sustain is always important. This is like saying clerics shouldn't have to take bless weapon

[marsh coral]

On one side, I like the idea that Bards are the only class that can REALLY regen mana. Makes the class feel needed and unique.
On the other hand, yeah, it feels like running anything other than Pensive is just a waste of time

[shy dragon]

That's my only gripe. I totally get that it's proper to have the mana regen and people will always take it

I just want a little tiny bit more... decision making in my build?

[loud silo]

Don't bow to peer pressure and rock what build you want

[marsh coral]

by all means, you still do useful stuff like Shielding, Healing, debuffing, buffing, etc... but that first skill point is going into Pensive, the second skill point is going into Hymn of the Mind

[marsh coral]

Eh, it's not peer pressure, it just sucks having to sit down and eat rations to be fair 🤣

[loud silo]

When I say weaving pensive I didn't mean the counterpoint skill, I meant I only swap to pensive when mana is getting to be an issue. You don't really need it up the whole time

[shy dragon]

I think with the resonance weapon changes you'll have to have Pensive up more often as the mana recovery will be nerfed

You'll also be slightly punished for taking additional melodies since they don't count towards resonance charges when you could get an active ability instead that increases your resonance charge amount

[loud silo]

I'm ok with them reducing pensive procs. If all you need is a bard then it really nullifies the need for things like potions and food. Those are supposed to be nevessary

[lofty dew]

Milk will help

Gives a ton of regen rating

[untold patio]

so does Pensive resonant still only affect a single target? I can already hear my dps whining at me because they are oom

[paper gyro]

Does anybody know for mages if accelerated blink+lightning strike counts as a full charge for the instant cast?

[untold patio]

on the one hand, being able to press buttons without being suboptimal is nice, on the other this nerf to mana sustain hurts

[versed viper]

I keep looking to the Aion Chanter as an example of a class like this that was done well. There were build choices between being a more defensive or a more offensive support, including taking things like more mana regen, healing, shields, etc. or going more into the dps buffs, cc, things like that. I'm sure they'll eventually get to a point with the Bard where people will feel like they can make those decisions for themselves - and it'll also be up to the rest of us as well to figure out how to live without extra mana regen - less ability spam and more intelligent gameplay, food/drink buffs, mana pots (which are called something else here I forget), etc.

[neon zodiac]

bards are done now

did you read the changes to resonant weapon?

that won't be playable. i expect a handful of bards to play only for their friends' groups, the rest will probably reroll

well this time it was the bard class. i expect rangers to be next.

[loud silo]

Considering that resonant weapon can stack to 10 and you can consume 4 for a 4x increase in the proc strength, I suspect they'll be just fine

[neon zodiac]

what ability will you cast to maintain 4 stacks (at least) per ~4 seconds?

i won't argue either, you'll see on friday 🙂 i know i'll reroll

[loud silo]

Wit, discordant, off the stage, dark lullaby, lovely serenade, shielding dance, lament

Any skill that isn't a melody

[neon zodiac]

with what mana? 😄

mana song already gave miniscule

[loud silo]

Did you just stand there and do nothing but auto attack before?

[neon zodiac]

and your procs didn't go to everyone, either, they jumped to one target

[lofty dew]

lol

[neon zodiac]

no, i kept the mobs debuffed (and kited them when solo), which worked just so

yeah you guys probably don't grasp the changes yet

[loud silo]

So all those other skills you used will add stacks

[neon zodiac]

you'll find out on friday 😉

[lofty dew]

ill found out that bard is still sick

the only time this is a huge problem is in situations where the server tickrate is messed up badly

the other changes are either sidegrades or literal buffs

[neon zodiac]

i dont know if you tried to kite mobs solo, but you'll see what this change does to your gameplay

[lofty dew]

it is outrageously easy to kite mobs solo

[neon zodiac]

with your gimped support base dps

oh yeah, you can wait the mobs dead, while circling them like an idiot

[lofty dew]

I am in full support of the narrative that bard does low damage
please keep saying it ❤️

[neon zodiac]

now you'll run out of hp or mana while doing that 😄

it's cool, you'll see what this does to the bard population... and to finding bards for your parties. and to the actual amount of regged mana for the group (if you find one)

[lofty dew]

oh really

[neon zodiac]

i'll switch to cleric. if they mess them up, grouping will be impossible, so they'll be more careful

[lofty dew]

why do so many bards keep exposing themselves in here

yall gotta relax

me and rhuric keep trying to preach the truth and nobody will listen

bard is broken

[marsh coral]

Does it actually change anything? You still cycle through Dances and buffs, then use auto-attacks as filler. Am I missing something?

[neon zodiac]

bard is broken indeed. they're gimp now.

[loud silo]

Not at all. This is completely accurate

[lofty dew]

it changes almost literally nothing

people are silly

[loud silo]

Unless you were a one trick pony who just AFK auto attacked for your party you'll likely see little difference

[neon zodiac]

the normal gameplay rota won't change. the role of songs is neglibigle now tho, since they'll regen mana at a way slower pace

and good luck playing offhealer when you can't find a cleric

[lofty dew]

the only time that you were required to brainlessly spam weapon combos for mana, was when there were issues with server tickrates affecting mana.
yes in those situations it will be less effective, in any normal situation you will still crank regen

[neon zodiac]

nah

[marsh coral]

When you say Songs, do you mean Melodies?
Have they nerfed Melodies? I'm confused

[loud silo]

No just changed how resonate weapon reacts

It still fires off finishers but will now consume stacks up to 4, meaning it xan proc a 4x stronger one

[neon zodiac]

they nerfed the weapon passive that caused your healing song to put out small heals (or other effects) when your weapon autos uses a finisher, means you will now only get these heals/mana bursts/damage procs etc if you spam enough spells that are not songs

[lofty dew]

the healing song :>

[neon zodiac]

you people just don't get it yet, but you'll find out quickly what this change does

[lofty dew]

you cant just keep typing "BUT YOU DONT GET IT, YOULL SEE!!!" and expect that to mean anything
its not hard to read the changes

[neon zodiac]

you'll have to play the class both solo and in group to really understand the mechanics

[lofty dew]

im gonna still aoe farm like a madman

[neon zodiac]

well like i said

you'll find out

[lofty dew]

yeah, and it will be nearly the exact same speed of farming
it will still be insane lol

[neon zodiac]

delusions 😄

[lofty dew]

you're talking about using the heal melody and you're saying people dont get it

relax brother

[marsh coral]

So I was correct in my assumption, it doesn't really change anything.
You still go through your rotation and use auto-attacks as fillers

[neon zodiac]

another thing this change does is, it turns you into an actual mage. whereas before, you could play your bard like an archer, this won't be a thing anymore. you'll be busy casting yourself oom now.

[marsh coral]

If you are not casting, there's no need to regen mana. If you are casting, you're building up stacks that let you regen mana.

[versed viper]

you weren't supposed to be capable of doing that anyway

[marsh coral]

I don't understand the reason for this change but it doesn't really feel impactful

[neon zodiac]

for your rota, gameplay-wise, nothing changes that much. what changes is the rate at which your procs happen. the songs' base effect ticks are so low, they're almost unnoticable in groups. where your effects came from were the autoattack procs. switching those over to consuming stacks from active spells used won't work if the values stay as is.

[neon zodiac]

why not? spellbow, spellsword.

[versed viper]

because Summoner does that

[neon zodiac]

what do you mean?

all classes were supposed to use any weapon

do you WANT to be pigeonholed into using a wand/book?

[lofty dew]

bard was outrageously overtuned
without seeing the actual numbers, I can't say what the impact of the sidegrades are
but I imagine it will still be very very good
you're overreacting and being condescending to people who don't agree with you because you assume that 'we dont get it'
but you've already admitted dont even understand the mechanics people are using to kite + do damage infinitely
so its hard to take your condescension seriously

[neon zodiac]

see, you'll find out on friday. doesn't make sense to discuss this yet.

[lofty dew]

lol

[neon zodiac]

"outrageously overtuned"... you haven't seen what clerics can do yet

[lofty dew]

they can get silenced -> mes danced -> marionetted

[neon zodiac]

you're talking about pvp. mobs don't mez you

but this isnt counterstrike

there's pvX

[marsh coral]

The only thing Bards won't be able to do is just sit back with autoattacks to regen stuff faster basically
Meh, I dunno, we'll see on Friday

[lofty dew]

you'll see! you'll all seeeeeee shakes fistinto the sky

[neon zodiac]

yeah, discussing this here doesn't make sense. you really have to experience it in action.

[loud silo]

Your auto attack finisher were always the only thing that proc'd resonant weapon not any random auto attaxk

[neon zodiac]

what are weapon finishers, rhuric?

think. think hard.

[loud silo]

They are the final hit in a combo smart guy

Not every single hot

[neon zodiac]

of what?

autoattacks

[loud silo]

Read my first sentence you quoted

You only proc resonant on the finisher, it's always been that way

[neon zodiac]

who said anything other than your songs procced off your autoattack finishers?

make a guess why i used a (spell) shortbow

[loud silo]

Cause it causes bleeding

Like everyone else

[neon zodiac]

because the songs' passive ticks are LOW

[loud silo]

You do realize every weapon has refreshing followthrough

[neon zodiac]

oh man, rhuric..

[lofty dew]

the songs passive ticks are messed up with server tickrate

[neon zodiac]

you outed yourself as not getting how combat actually works

[lofty dew]

no

YOU have done that

multiple times

you're being a clown rn

[marsh coral]

All I know is that "Dance Mastery: Energy" just got a whole lot better, now you can Flourish -> Shielding Dance -> Flourish -> Nimble Dance -> Flourish -> Maddening Dance -> Flourish and you got 7 stacks already

[neon zodiac]

well, tree, i'll block you now for my mental health.

you didnt contribute anything useful anyway

[lofty dew]

you cant expect to be condescending constantly and have people love talking to you

[neon zodiac]

flourish has a cooldown, like other spells like quick wit etc

[marsh coral]

Not if you have Dance Mastery, it resets after every Dance

[neon zodiac]

so you're now forced into a spec

that sure makes it more fun than before, where you were already forced.. into running mana

[marsh coral]

I'm just saying that 1 skill (1) got better, how is that being forced?

[neon zodiac]

and you have to flourish around to keep this going, that's gonna bite you in scenarios where you're better off staying put

[marsh coral]

Those changes even made "Get off the Stage" better since it also resets Flourish

[lofty dew]

just say that you agree with him and move on

[neon zodiac]

yeah, let's end this discussion, because it doesn't make sense without actual numbers.
as for me, i'll switch to cleric, so this won't impact me anymore.

[tribal peak]

It seems like a balance change, not a general nerf or buff... Maybe play the change before saying "This class is useless now"

[loud silo]

It's definitely a side grade maybe even a small upgrade

[tribal peak]

I'd generally agree

[neon zodiac]

i guess this is what an alpha is for, right. test out class changes 😉

[marsh coral]

If I read this correctly it seems like breaking the Shields from Shielding Dance also gives a stack, so assuming that the Tank is the only one breaking you get exactly 8 stacks by just alternating Flourish with 3 shields

[loud silo]

You can get those stacks too just by rotating through any skill. It's not going to be hard to maintain stacks

[marsh coral]

"Lovely Serenade
Single Target: Grants shield and damage mitigation buff"
damn

[loud silo]

That's an exiting buff too

Happy for that one. Curious if you change target mid channel if it will proc the shield each time too like it does the healing

[marsh coral]

If it's anything like the current buff, it just applies on the last tick ( the 4th one )

[loud silo]

Yeah, that was my assumption too, but I'll be trying them out if I can get home from work before the ptr closes for the day

[heady iris]

What is the best class to solo xp grind ?

[neon zodiac]

ranger seems decent, but i don't have personal experience with them

[lofty dew]

bard
and its not close

[neon zodiac]

since we'll get a wipe on dec 20, test some classes

[heady iris]

thats what I thought I saw some bards solo but what make them so good solo

[lofty dew]

never drink, never die, kite forever with jump strafe + roll jumping + flourish, strong damage with the right setup

[heady iris]

what is flourish

[lofty dew]

perma maintain 3 stacks of tragedy, cycle between menacing and pensive
keep up crit magic buff, alacrity on cd

[versed viper]

no the off-healer part. You can use any weapon you want.

[lofty dew]

slide move

[neon zodiac]

so you're not meant to be healing support? ^^

[lofty dew]

roll -> jump -> flourish is nutty mobility
jump strafing in general is just good right now

[heady iris]

is it good until high lvl grind ?

[lofty dew]

I've done it on every level of goblin up to 19
going to 20s this weekend, but that spot is very contested

[versed viper]

not Bards no. Bard is supposed to be tactical offensive support - buffs, debuffs, cc, mana regen, etc. They've said repeatedly they were only meant to have very light healing, some low HoTs, etc. Aside from Cleric being main healer, the Summoner's only role is off-healer/off-tank, outside of when they're just helping to dps. So no Bard isn't supposed to be healing support, that's Summoner.

[neon zodiac]

then bard has too much healing in its kit

[versed viper]

it does that's why reducing it is one of the many changes they saw today

not surprising, either - they're just trying to get Bard where they want it to be

[neon zodiac]

i dont know, i found bard fun to play, very good in duo, needed in big groups

[versed viper]

it's the newest class addition so it makes sense we're seeing more Bard changes - they probably already went through this with the other classes in the pre-A2 testing with the A1 people and internal testers

[neon zodiac]

the ability to do some limited healing when there was no cleric was useful

[lofty dew]

im glad quick wit is getting 2 different binds
i kept using a clear target bind so I could quick wit myself without moving mouse

[versed viper]

I mean it definitely is but a) every party is supposed to have a tank and a cleric, thats the game's design. So not having one is supposed to hurt, but b) this is exactly what Summoner is supposed to help with

until we get Summoner yea things are going to be a bit wonky

it's Alpha

[neon zodiac]

eh, i don't know, every party for hard content, sure, but normal farming in a duo or trio shouldnt require a full blown healer

[versed viper]

no not duo/trio

you don't need a cleric for that either though

[neon zodiac]

yeah, worked well enough with bard to reduce downtime

summoner is still very far away, we'll probably see classes before we see the summoner archetype. didnt they announce tank and cleric classes coming first?

[versed viper]

all three are coming phase 3 in May

[neon zodiac]

summoner is what i want to play eventually

went bard for support for now, but there are many wonky things still going on, from mob pathing to mob ai and aggro etc

[lone raptor]

everyone wants summoner

[versed viper]

Honestly Bard is still awesome

don't let patch notes get you down - a good Bard is going to be an insane addition to a group and everyone will want you

it's Alpha lots of changes will happen, it takes time to get things perfect

but their idea for Bard is one of the best I've seen in years

[lone raptor]

i wanna see that rogue tbh cant wait

[neon zodiac]

it's fine, i'll play around with all the classes.. the other archetypes are probably more stable, because they've been existing for longer

[versed viper]

everyone wants to see rogue

[versed viper]

true

[neon zodiac]

im honestly not interested in rogue, never been the rogue type of player

[versed viper]

I get the feeling a lot of people forget summoner exists

[lone raptor]

not in this realm

[versed viper]

like not having Summoner but having all the other roles I think is completely screwing with gamepaly right now, and also with people's expectations of how the game should play

I mean it's literally the gap-filler it's a huge role to not have it and people are getting used to parties with two Clerics and a Bard

[lone raptor]

yeah cleric seems a little to op right now

[versed viper]

not at all

[lofty dew]

i absolutely love discordance -> pre cast mes dance -> flourishing in

[neon zodiac]

looking at how mob AI works, with mobs zooming all around at lightning speed, into mountains and walls, targeting and shooting you through walls and all that, it's probably better to wait with summoner and pet gameplay until that works more smoothly

[versed viper]

oh geez yea lmao

[lone raptor]

im going scion when it comes out

[neon zodiac]

i'm interested in finding out what classes will look like, how adding classes will modify the archetype gameplay

[versed viper]

yea should be really neat

[neon zodiac]

i can imagine summoner with flavours, but some of the archetypes having a summoning component are harder to imagine

[versed viper]

There are mobs with summoning components

and we've seen games that have done stuff like that - a few of the classes in GW2 can summon things like temporary weapons and whatnot for certain effects

[neon zodiac]

the minotaur summoners? i do hope player summoners will have persistent pets

[versed viper]

oh they will

I meant Summoner as secondary class choice

Summoner archetype will definitely have their pets be a huge component of their class - lots of good info on the wiki on that

[neon zodiac]

not sure how much i trust the wiki on this. the archetype doesn't exist yet

once it's in the game we can see what of the concept is actually practical

[versed viper]

the wiki is full of quotes from Steven and the developers and every single thing on the wiki has footnotes with direct links to their sources - Youtube interviews/livestreams, Discord quotes, etc.

Even Intrepid routinely directs people to the wiki. It's honestly the one source you very much can trust

[neon zodiac]

i guess it'll go through redesigns before it's even out, and then some afterwards

too bad it's the last archetype to be implemented 🙂

[versed viper]

I'm sure it will - the wiki talks mostly about what Intrepid has said their design intentions are for the class and the wiki is constantly updated any time Intrepid and Steven share new information

it's definitely a trustworthy source if you're curious about something

[neon zodiac]

from what i see on the wiki, summoners will look a bit like daoc bonedancers.. with 3 pets etc

[versed viper]

haven't played DAOC but yea they will have a tank pet, healer pet, and dps pet

[charred seal]

summoners also have shapeshifting

I think

[runic dawn]

That wont be a thing. Only during sieges will it be possible iirc

[agile saddle]

Gonna need a source for that

[versed viper]

Same never heard anything about shapeshifting

[echo cape]

Exactly what daoc did but you could summon multiple of one. Also rangers and casters.

[winged imp]

Mage shouldnt get shatter on you. Call of the wild removes freeze, and also makes you immune to it for 8 seconds

[loud silo]

does it prevent tank chain pull?

[winged imp]

I doubt it

But not sure

[paper ridge]

Yeah i agree with that

[onyx trench]

Ranger is super barebones. I understand its whole archetype schtick of hunts/marks is barely in.

I would not bother thinking about balance at the moment anyway. Right now what's important how archetype plays, not the numbers really - those are easy to change, gameplay isn't.

As for that, I don't understand why there are so many casted abilities for Ranger. It feels too slow for archetype that has mobility in its class selection pitch.

[proper hearth]

only for the cc effect, but stats effect itself remains from my understanding

[proper hearth]

• i still think its very close, you are like 35% health after those 2 fire spells, shatter might not be even needed, not sure

[winged imp]

hm, that needs fixing then

[proper hearth]

[neon zodiac]

ranger is on my list of archetypes id like to try before wave 2

grapplr makes it look incredibly fun

[proper hearth]

all archjetypes are fun

[fathom bridge]

just a quick question for here and it mightve answered somewhere but i didnt see any pin
but wouldnt it make more sense to have one channel per archetype?

[proper hearth]

you have that on forums

[fathom bridge]

oh yeah yeah i know but i meant for here cuz like the forum's "colder" as in you write your msg and check it maybe way later
whereas discord you can check every x mins
or mabe its just me 😅 that works like that

[upper whale]

@mighty nimbus This could be a properous model to please every player type.

[steady plank]

Havent they already said they said they see it as a PvP game...I doubt they will do this

[tranquil chasm]

I think that's just the general speed of combat in the game not just rangers. Fighters ability animations are very slow for their lvl ten tree stuff. Like walk out of the animation slow

[modest prism]

It's not happening. Corruption is there to stop players from constantly griefing other players. PKing is supposed to have a risk/reward to it if you do decide to kill a noncombantant. A high risk due to griefing potential we all know to well. Ile just slot this into "Change PvP Attempt #1086"

[paper gyro]

From what I understand from his recent interview they’re going to be implementing pvp “safe zones” to some scale. I wouldn’t expect them to be common. They’re also going to be having a safe level cap, so if you’re under X level, you won’t be targeted for PVP (or something like that. ) Take this with a grain of salt as I am not an official dev.

On the other note, the game is intended to be PvX. You can attack players that have been gathering materials, but at the cost of them either fighting back or you becoming corrupted. There’s always a risk when the attack is unrequited.

[steady plank]

Where does it say any of this? I think safe zone was just the starter zones / inital spawn area as a way to stop people killing brand new players

[paper gyro]

I dont know if I can post the link, but Pirate Software's interview stream (happened 3 days ago, can be found on his YouTube). Steven speaks about PVP around 10:38:40. In there, he mentions the level-prevented flagging around 10:40:00. If you want the link i can DM it.

[steady plank]

Ill re-watch it, I think it was just on about the initial starter zone/area.....I might have misunderstood though

[paper gyro]

it definitely could be. Thats why i said take my response with a grain of salt. Either way, it's definitely going to be needed, as ive seen multiple fresh characters getting griefed

[haughty pewter]

For anyone thats played cleric a bunch, is it possible to do a DPS paladin type spec? Or does the cleric just not have enough damage output?

[paper gyro]

Our groups clerid didnt do a lot of DPS currently, but luckily tank/clerics are the first to get secondary archetypes

[dense canopy]

You can solo easy since you can heal but yeah you won’t be doing a ton of dps

[hardy oxide]

There is still a lot we don't know about sub classes, but I'm fairly sure you can do something like that in the future https://ashesofcreation.wiki/Classes

[soft grotto]

Cleric fucks. The majority of your spells are healing based but you have some decent dps options. I played as a tanky cleric in heavy armour for me and some friends. Essentially do big pulls, sustaining myself and AOEing stuff down.

You won't be able to play a pure dps cleric, currently at least, it certainly does damage but not as much as a pure dps spec. Maybe Fighter/Cleric combo when the full Archtype system is out is more the pure dps Paladin you're looking for.

[winged imp]

easy to do, since it is fun xD

[haughty pewter]

Thanks Sunny! Great explanation and insight!

[wintry relic]

Cleric is #1 solo'er now potentially with the PTR nerfs to Bard (Bard was before)

For sustained uptime and low risk

[neon hawk]

I think cleric is in a good place currently its great at solo even if the dps isn't great but it's not supposed to be. its more of a bet that your mana will hold out longer than the enemy's health. Though rangers and mages can still burst us down if we aren't ready for it.

As for fighters I think they can be strong but I think it will turn out with them being the most gear dependant class

[pine badger]

I mean that's pretty big tbh the roll dodge not canceling wasn't proper for this kinda combat. The bard was just made to work right they maybe got 3 changes the rest were fixing current abilities to do what they were supposed to

[sterile talon]

Do we have an idea of what different archetypes will be?

[pine badger]

Are you brand new? Absolutely do it's all over the wiki and site

[lofty dew]

@winged imp does silence stop disengage

[winged imp]

ranger silence doesn't work

[lofty dew]

nah i mean bard silence on ranger

[winged imp]

as for when ranger is silenced?

I've never been silenced

[lofty dew]

i didnt know if i was killing rangers who jut didnt have disengage slotted or if silence was working

[winged imp]

haha

sadly there very little pvp to do until we hit max level

at that point, i plan to do a lot of dueling

[lofty dew]

cause ive just been silencing -> mes dance -> dark lullaby for dumb damage

[winged imp]

since xp debt is meaningless

[lofty dew]

yea

its hard to test stuff

i wish there was dueling

people really really dont want to die

[winged imp]

shoulda been tehre day 1

[loud silo]

Yes, it silences all abilities

[lofty dew]

sick

ok

[loud silo]

I got silenced the other day and all I could do was auto attack till it cleared

[lofty dew]

ok thank you

[loud silo]

And as a bard I've interrupted snipe too

[visual arch]

They need to fix the Cleric spell Mend it is not working with ”Hover casting” setting on when you mousover a party member the spell just goes on you

[lofty dew]

yeah ive just been silencing -> mes dance -> killing them with dark lullaby lol

just setup all debuffs and pop

[echo knoll]

Anyone have a link to the Archetype debuff sheet?

[jaunty bone]

for solo you'll want to wear heavy, assuming not farming casters, so can use whatever weapons you want for a Pally feel. I did greatsword/shortbow (spellsword / spellbow) on my cleric. With heals can solo more difficult stuff safer, but slower. Mage, and I assume Ranger and Bard too, can solo faster xp/h if it's kiteable than cleric tho.

[cerulean isle]

like status effects? https://ashescodex.com/db/status-effects/page/1 or like what each archtype can do debuff wise

[echo knoll]

There was a sheet someone made that showed all the interactions between status effects

[cerulean isle]

ah yea , ill gladly take a link to that if someone does have it

[echo knoll]

https://www.reddit.com/r/AshesofCreation/comments/1gj9jru/debuff_synergy_chart_v2/#lightbox

oop, found it

[fervent rock]

Is the top base class or the left side? lowkey hyped to see how summoners play and how necro/warlock/beastmaster will look like, hoping for pets ❤️ 😄

[hardy oxide]

You can look at either way. You pick your base class and play that until lvl 25. At 25 you get the option to augment your current skills in the direction of the sub class. So a rogue with cleric augmentations would/could get life leech on backstab etc. The wiki has other examples too, but likely most of this is not final and just an idea of direction they want to go

I also like playing "pet classes" like summoner. So looking forward to seeing what kind of options we will have for that, both for base abilities and for subclass augments

[neon hawk]

Phase 3 is gonna be full of clerics and tanks since they are the first 2 classes to get secondary classes

[loud silo]

Is it that they get subclasses or tank and cleric are the only subclass choices

[echo cape]

Tank is an absolute blast

Highly recommend

[dusky moth]

To all the tanks out there, I'm curious to hear how often you use the trip CC given by Tremoring Strike, Ground Pound, and the Reflect upgrade Oppressive Reflect

I really started loving tank when I was at church of the seven stars and my party was fighting sighted seers. The sighted seers do this thing where once they get pretty low on health, they cast an ability called, I think, "Blood Sacrifice", with a pretty long cast time. If they succeed, then they die and turn into a really tanky zombie.

I started using Tremoring Bellow to interrupt this and it really sped up our grind, since we didn't have to fight the puking zombie things anymore, and could move on to pulling the next group of mobs way more quickly.

All the hard cc from tank makes me wonder if a 2-tank party would be good for some situations when the party fights a mob with really strong but telegraphed abilities. An off-tank could grab all the abilities I mentioned above, plus Tomahawk: Trip, and stand behind the mob to proc the trip on Tomahawk.

[obsidian fable]

I think every archetype will be able to use cleric and tank secondaries

That’s less design work than making every other archetype be able to be secondary for cleric and tank

[loud silo]

This is my assumption too, wouldn't make sense to have only tanks and clerics get subarchetypes

[neon hawk]

It's alot of spell effects to change though

But your right it does make sense

[cerulean isle]

i always take trip over the snare as if i need to interupt that ability that is going to most likely 1 shot me i dont want to rely on others and the 12s cd is good. ill use it on cd for enemies i know dont have a ability interupted and if they do ill save it

[marsh coral]

And Summoners, if they come out at the same time

[cursive void]

i assumed summoners will be in june or july most likely with the end of phase 3 having the two 2ndary archtypes

[neon hawk]

I'm not sure end of phase 3 is the end of the alpha. So if they move into beta they should have all features ingame. Beta is usually for bug and balance of a feature complete product

[heady iris]

I hope they'd add some form of pvp before max lvl like warhammer online did back in the day

[cursive void]

well i remember him saying the roadmap was for 3 months out post phase 3, and thus i just assumed it was 'extra alpha 2 time' didnt put too much thought into it

[versed tulip]

At some point they said that alpha and beta would run simultanously.

[gloomy lotus]

Correct

Beta in 20227

No typo

[loud silo]

Lol

[charred seal]

If things go well, we should have beta and go-live in 2026. I think we will know better if we hit phase 3 in May, both because it will mean the fundementals have been squared away, and because we will get a better idea of how fast additional features can be added and tested. At this point people are just guessing, or depressing.

[cursive void]

yep, want to see what kind of content release cadence we get to have more meaningful predicitions

[eager hornet]

Hopeful for this

[charred seal]

Marky Mark says "Hope is not a tactic" - Get to testing , no sleep for you🤣 !

[onyx trench]

https://tenor.com/view/hitchhikers-guide-to-the-galaxy-leigh574-question-understand-wisdom-gif-12472040

in 20227 one minute before AoC release

[charred seal]

Wouldn't that be 2042?

[onyx trench]

could be indeed

[exotic sphinx]

Any tank players in here?
After last weekend it feels like tank is more relying on player level than any gear, since mobs that are 3+ levels higher than you are, instantly get a huge crit chance on you. The second you ding one level higher, they don't do any damage anymore.

[peak quail]

Just a hint of mine: You shouldn't fight mobs higher than 3 levels above you as your drops and XP will get reduced.

[exotic sphinx]

Apparently so, as even Steven confirmed it's a bug

But in any case, Tank felt very weird since gear didn't really matter in changing the combat dynamic as much as just level did.
On top of that, there was some weird bug where your physical defense went crazy down.

After a death, I noticed any mob would hit me for like 3.9k damage with a normal swing, had to do a relog to fix it.

[peak quail]

My tank encountered the same and it might either a character or a gear bug as a mage friend had just the same with weapon needed to be reequipped to work again.

[exotic sphinx]

Did y'all ever go to Steelbloom? There were the firestarters that were RNG picking targets, annoying af

[peak quail]

Sure thing, it's my main farm rn. Just burst fire starters and let bards and clerics either disrupt cast or cast cleric death save on firestarter's target and you'll be save even so he might get 1 cast through.

Highwaymanhill sniper have been worse in comparison.

[sly prairie]

whats your gameplay experience with tank? i tried it only to like lvl 7 but if felt like autoattacks were a lot of the gameplay which felt a bit meh

[exotic sphinx]

It does get better later. But there's not much to do besides grabbing threat and then just running in a circle to avoid some hits from mobs

Standing still usually results in quite a lot more hits taken which is quite bad obviously.
Grabbing small pack AoE or single target threat is quite decent

The whole idea of "protecting your party" just doesn't really work right now.
From my experienced it felt like if I have a fighter in the group, everyone would get slowly ticked off, cause the Fighter would just also take all the cleave hits from mobs (like highwaymen or steelboom mobs, and other places as well) thus healers needed to work more.
And if you don't have a fighter, than most of the "protecting your party" skills just aren't needed.

Although I didn't devulge into too much pvp, it felt like Tank isn't bad at pvp at all. Felt quite strong from the few times I pvp'd

In PvE one other annoying thing is that due to the frequent bugs, you're usually getting the butt of the joke, meaning you'll die the most if some bugs happen.
Like we had an invisible bear kill us, untargetable mobs kill us, AoE that decided to go through walls or climb up a vertical wall to pull 3-5 more mobs and kill us.

I like the idea of blocking hits though, to learn to correctly time your spell use and what not to have your shield up. After getting to higher levels you also notice how big of a difference holding your shield up makes.

[sly prairie]

THanks, thats really good overview

[solar sky]

Yes thank you for tht, I plan to play a tank, but I want to play in action mode, so I will click to swing right? Currently new world combat ish is what im hoping for in action mode, am I way off?

[rose mica]

mmm, you will keep it on tab targeting most likely

your auto attacks will be action mode, so you swing it and can miss

also your aoe abilities will be action mode

so it s a hybrid really

i got around 1.5k ish hours on new world and mele fights are similar in some ways

casters not really and you feel like you are missing out if you keep them in action mode

[cursive void]

i just want to add to this, as a mage, i wanted to try to use one of the melee spell based weapons but im so fragile it wasnt worth risking getting cleaved (but i am stuck in mostly level 1 gear at level 14 outside of weapons so that may be part of it lmao)

[rose mica]

put the shield on, go in , go out

[exotic sphinx]

Nah' it's just a waste atm.
Many, many mobs do cleaves, so going anywhere near is a death sentence. Especially if you do the more popular grinding spots like highwaymen hills, marauders and what not there will spin 2 win you in seconds.

[exotic sphinx]

You can go in action and click to swing.
Coming from private servers in WoW, I just turned it to auto attack when I activate it, so I tab target usually and then turn it on. If you want, you can click individually as well, but not sure why'd you want it, considering a tanks damage doesn't really come from AA's. You can only easily build the Courage meter with AA's.

[dusky moth]

AAs also good to keep up your mana if the cleric chooses you for Bless Weapon. This is great for mana sustain and benefits both cleric and tank.

At level 14 I find myself pulling 2-3 lvl 17-18 3-star mobs at Sephillim and being able to face tank them comfortably enough that I can keep AAs going for threat, courage, and mana gen from cleric's bless weapon.

As long as you use Fortify off cool down, block judiciously, and cc enemies when you can the tank just feels indomitable. At least, until that lightning orb hits another 3 enemies and suddenly you are hacked down by too many mobs.

[exotic sphinx]

Bruh, mages legit with the lightning orb were 90% of accidental pulls

[untold patio]

so true. I think my party got wiped by the same mage using that spell wrong like 10 times

[dusky moth]

It happened a few times in the last party I was in so we had a talk about positioning and it didn't happen again. Always good to party with reasonable folks willing to work with you.

[cursive void]

i didnt know it went through walls at first so i gt why they did it , but it does a lotttt of damage and boosts your future damage for a bit

depending on positioning i was seeing between 800-1500 on just one target

[at level 14]

[dusky moth]

Any tanks out there try using a 2h sword for any solo/duo leveling or PvP? Thinking about trying it out this weekend if I can drop a good sword.

[loud silo]

Charged up scattershot goes through walls too lol. Nothing like a surprise rush of mobs outta nowhere

[dusky moth]

So far I've had the best party survival rate finding a safe zone and pulling mobs there, e.g. the spot on the second floor of church between the mob spawns.

But I'd like to try running through areas clearing as we go more. My party was clearing any one spot at Sephillim too fast for the mobs to respawn but running new routes as a party seemed to be a good way to die and need to spend all my cash repairing.

[echo cape]

I started on castus and am level 19 on tank and didn’t experience any of these bugs.

Yes had to kite a few mobs that were 3* 3-4 levels higher than me but all of a sudden hit 16 and could easily tank 3+ 18 elite mobs in steelbloom without too much trouble

[elder talon]

what happens at 16

[echo cape]

Not exactly sure but I can state that on thank, every time you get a skill in this game it feels impactful.

Whereas other games I’ll be without an impactful ability/skill for 5-6 levels (EverQuest classic /DAOC and even WoW classic)

Which are more memorable games I’ve played over the past decade. Sure I’ve played new world, lost ark, archeage, throne and liberty, guild wars 2, star works the old republic, and probably a few more but I remember nothing about them.

[proper hearth]

https://forums.ashesofcreation.com/discussion/63217/ranger-feedback

well. that started well and then spiraled down into oblivion

[dusty geode]

When Bladecaller

[proper hearth]

this feedback would literally make ranger one tap tanks

[loud silo]

Lol nah rangers are in a good place

They have upwards 4 hard roots, probably my favorite thing about them.

Not to mention guaranteed snare

My headshots crit about 1.5k, shatter shot charged up hits for 700-800, lightning shot too but as a tighter aoe. Both skills crit about 1k to 1.1k on average. I wreck everything I come across and nothing can get to me between snares and my 4 hard roots

I'm level 15 on my ranger

[toxic ridge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=99jFNEkJCe4&ab_channel=Onlyblacksmoke

Pretty much sums up my feedback

[neon zodiac]

id love to watch such a video about clerics

[versed viper]

I wish more people made Cleric content

all I can find are random videos/stream replays of general gameplay that I'm not impressed with

I want someone whose serious about Cleric to really get into it and make something worth watching

[loud gate]

I have a level 5 Cleric that generally uses harsh language or otherwise tries to reason with the mobs - I can perhaps make some content on that but I don't know how useful that would be - I agree with you

[frozen peak]

Cleric was really great. Had some really fun group moments over the weekend, made it to 13 by Sunday. Super powerful, felt wild to be taking down 2star 15 bears solo and face tanking big groups of regular mobs.

[signal frost]

How to be cleric. Remind the group you can send them all to jesus and kill people with emotional damage

[runic dawn]

Me irl

https://tenor.com/view/emotional-damage-emotional-damage-gif-gif-25024521

[proper hearth]

https://forums.ashesofcreation.com/discussion/63475/ranger-feedback

[carmine stratus]

I really hope melee mage is gonna be sick

I wanna be able to cast but blow people up melee and have some mobility

[spice radish]

Why should they address this when mage is a DPS and squishy class? Why would anyone choose a low HP class with limited mobility aside from Blink, that deals mediocre DPS? Leave the mage alone; he deals high DPS because his other tratis are low.

[proper hearth]

[spice radish]

answer the question instead of memeing, please

[heady iris]

Do bards have good aoe dmg for solo grind ?

[steady plank]

People seem to say its a good class solo, I struggled with it, so not sure if I wan't using the right spells etc

[neon zodiac]

no

[heady iris]

Im confused to why ppl say bard are good solo for xp grind then.. killing 1 mob at a time might be super super slow lvling solo..

[signal frost]

Stronger solo mobs, maybe

[carmine latch]

It's cause they don't have to sit for 5 minutes gorging on rations to start the next kill

[neon zodiac]

they were rather good, but the recent patch made them busy like a one-legged man on an asskicking competition casting spells to build stacks, so their melodies do something. which means, no more autoattacking with a tome for that aoe damage.

[carmine latch]

Solo clerics never lose any mana and in assuming it's similar for bard

[neon zodiac]

was. past tense.

[carmine latch]

Ah yes, cleric supremacy, as it should be

[loud silo]

Yes, bards have 5 aoe skills for solo. And they're really good. Not sure how the changes to chilling lament will feel but otherwise you're golden. The skills are discordance, get off the stage, chilling lament, dark lullaby and your dance that strips buffs, can't remember it's name off the top of my head

[heady iris]

How come solo cleric never lose mana tf

[loud silo]

Bless weapon is pretty strong

[carmine latch]

blessed weapon gives mana regen per attack, plus they regen you get from the weapon skill tree, cleric also has a meter that is used instead of mana for skills if you so choose

so you can literally sit there, auto attacking, and healing and damage without losing mana

you dont use skills for anything besides healing, since burn just melts. plus points if you stack it with a bleeding short spellbow

[violet dome]

divine flare with the damage perk is goated too

[carmine latch]

yeah conflag if you need extra damage which you dont really need unless you want faster kills

[violet dome]

wand for burn for stronger smites and mana regen on finisher and it's beautiful

[loud silo]

You also get the wave aoe too which you can spec to heal allies at the same time.

[carmine latch]

yup and you can also spec the aoe circle heal thingy do damage so you can stack that with conflag skill and wave attack if you really want to chunk

[violet dome]

yup, what i like to do is put flare down and wave while it's charging, into smite when flare pops

pretty much the only burst you have but it feels good

[carmine latch]

yeah, dont need more cause otherwise cleric would just be too broken

im sure we fall off on higher levels in terms of damage and just focus on healing once people start gearing up

but in the beginning we are goated

[violet dome]

probably yeah

im only 12, been busy trying out all kinds of content that is available

[carmine latch]

yup i just stood outside winstead and farmed for 2 levels

cause party play you have to actually focus on healing

yuck 🤢

[violet dome]

xD

i enjoyed grouping up tbh, healing feels fun

[loud silo]

Bears outside villages are great for solo farming

[violet dome]

the one spell im not a fan of is judgement. It takes forever to cast

could be regenerating mp instead

[carmine latch]

it does feel impactful but nothing feels better than destroying a monster where others would struggle

oh i just never use judgement haha

[loud silo]

You don't get great but lots of xp and glint

[carmine latch]

the time isnt worth the damage when you can get that quicker in other ways

it is good as an opener in the early levels tho

[violet dome]

yeah i ended up removing it after a while

[carmine latch]

can also add it once i get more spec points to the chunk combo

[loud silo]

It's faster as you level and get more casting speed

[carmine latch]

yeah itll eventually be part of my kit, just isnt worth it at my level rn

[loud silo]

I had mine under 3 seconds during pre a2

[carmine latch]

what weapons are you guys using

i use a short spellbow with bleed for just some extra damage since burn doesnt really stack

[loud silo]

Sword/ focus for speed rating and bleed

[violet dome]

wand + focus and a great spellsword cuz i chanced upon it

[loud silo]

Book for aoe range and volatile

[carmine latch]

plus it lets me train enemies

[violet dome]

i do wanna try spellbow if i manage to get one

[carmine latch]

i got mine farming the ashen warriors in the winstead area

[loud silo]

Shortbow feels better, gives you bleed to but the longbow has higher damage rating

[carmine latch]

it does, i do enjoy running around like a rat and shooting a couple of fast arrows to proc status though

more attacks = more burn chance

[violet dome]

smite at 20s burn is

https://tenor.com/bxvUX.gif

[plucky kestrel]

Which solo grinds better, Cleric or Bard?

[carmine latch]

According to bard people, the changes might put cleric on top

[loud silo]

That's one person who keeps saying that. The ones who have tested it say bards will be fine

Clerics can do bigger aoe pulls though for sure. They can out heal the damage

Bards have more aoe dps options. Discordance and get off the stage both hit hard

[heady iris]

idk im cleric 20 and I can tell you dont get infinite mana far from it XD

[soft grotto]

We don't know the new numbers on Resonant Weapon so hard to say

[plucky kestrel]

I've heard that, but I have my doubts. Mostly because when I briefly saw the change list they had like 4 nerfs and apparently 8 to 12 buffs/QoLs from what I saw, but I don't have experience.

[violet dome]

how do you handle aoe pulls tho? bring your melee weapon out for the aoe autos?

[loud silo]

Yeah

[violet dome]

cuz other than wave and favor theres not much

[soft grotto]

Chains + Flare + Autos

[loud silo]

Book is aoe too

[violet dome]

oh right chains

i need to toy with that more

[soft grotto]

Really nice with the passive adding a stun to it too

Blessed Weapon is also mana back per finisher not per attack. So you need to get your finishers in and not just spam abilities to maintain mana

Nice bit of min maxing to it I enjoy

[plucky kestrel]

I am quietly being reminded that I used to like to play clerics, especially the healer types in DAoC that could actually do combat.

Is it one character per server during testing?

[soft grotto]

5

[wintry portal]

up to 5 Per realm, but 10 maximum across all realms

[carmine latch]

Are you playing party's?

Cause as a solo all you do is auto attack pretty much 80% of the time

And with the cleric bar you can subsidized any big mana consumption as long as you know how to manage

[violet dome]

im kinda excited for phase 3, although it's still so early for that

wanna try summoner/cleric

[loud silo]

Everyone wants to be a necromancer lol

[plucky kestrel]

I kind of want to do Bard/Summoner. >.>

[modest sluice]

I had an idea this morning. I Know that with the secondary archetype is not planned to totally change your class and give you new skills but what if with each combination had one skill that is an (ultimate skill). This way it would not be overwhelming to develop but would give each class more of an identity. What do yall think?

[plucky kestrel]

I think it would be difficult to balance.

[loud silo]

I'm hoping the sub archetypes will change up if we are physical or magical or even hybrid

[heady iris]

yeah mostly but if I solo 2star mob I cant just autoattack Ill just die lol

[modest sluice]

the whole game already would be hard to balance lol. I just feel like i was excited for the 64 classes but its less as exciting if it really dosnt change that much

[echo thunder]

Sameeee, I wanna do a summoner/Tank

[loud silo]

I'm interested in rogue/cleric
(Cultist)

[echo thunder]

that sounds fun

[signal frost]

My body is ready for cultist

[violet dome]

it all depends on the implementation

[plucky kestrel]

I think Bard/Ranger will be plenty dangerous.

[violet dome]

is it gonna be rogue with lifesteal? is it gonna be rogue with radiant damage? who knows

[plucky kestrel]

I won't play it, but still dangerous.

[signal frost]

Bard ranger feels like bard from final fantasy

[loud silo]

According to past dev discussions it'll depend on if you choose life or death augments

[violet dome]

kinda why im excited for summoner/cleric. Might be able to live my scholar fantasy in another game

[loud silo]

Death would give the life steal

[plucky kestrel]

Also where is my weeabu Fox/Cat/Wolf/Bear beastkin races. /pout lol

[signal frost]

Summoner bard should be a bannable offense

[soft grotto]

I seem to remember Cleric has life and death attributes so applying those to other class abilties could be very interesting

[loud silo]

Underground out of sight

[echo thunder]

idk abt you guys but I rly hope that the different summoner archetypes will summon different types of creatures

[signal frost]

Fighter summoner summons fist

[plucky kestrel]

.>

[loud silo]

This is confirmed to be the case

[echo thunder]

\o/

[loud silo]

Along with planned minor customizations for uniqueness

[violet dome]

hold up you might be cooking. rogue/summoner is irelia?

[signal frost]

Summoner summoner summons summoners

[violet dome]

summoner summoner is WoL

[echo thunder]

summoners is just so super fun

[violet dome]

[plucky kestrel]

Cleric/Fighter = Paladin?

[dusty geode]

Wen Bladecaller

STEVEEEEEEEEEEN

[plucky kestrel]

Launch or first expansion. >.>

[dusty geode]

Quite literally the only class i want to play

[soft grotto]

probably fighter/cleric but yeah

[carmine latch]

Mana consumption is a lot higher in parties yeah

[cursive void]

i want to be excited about pickong my archetype but i need to know if it is base class with different flavors or if it feels different

[dusty geode]

Its tank/cleric

The class chart exists

No need to speculate

[plucky kestrel]

Class chart?

[soft grotto]

I assumed they ment the thematic holy warrior rather than the specific chart names 😛

[dusty geode]

https://ashesofcreation.wiki/Classes

[loud silo]

Cleric x rogue sounds fun too

[echo thunder]

hm, if you wanna do a solo levelling(the manwha) character you would you do a shadow lord or shadow master?

[dusty geode]

Would be closer to some kind of shadowmancer or necromancer imo

Probably shadowmancer

Daggers + shadow summons

[echo thunder]

why not shadow lord? its a rogue summoner as well

what would even be the difference?

[carmine latch]

Is tank second archetype literally just threat generation, or are there plans for more

[dusty geode]

I guess the aspect of it you want to focus on

[violet dome]

The difference is that your class is first and foremost your archetype. Your secondary only adds elements of the subclass you chose to the already existing kit of your archetype

[echo thunder]

[plucky kestrel]

If I can go bard, and then add some dps from Mage, that sounds fun too.

[loud silo]

That is my plan for my bard

That or fighter, but I feel like mage would mesh better. Adding elemental damage to your skills

[plucky kestrel]

Fighter could be good also, since I believe Bard has movement increase. If it does it would be hard to get away from.

[dusty geode]

Im hoping bladecaller turns out to be something closer to Gilgamesh or at least Virgil from DmC lol

Worst case scenario itd be like having a blade of disaster from DnD that just floats next to you and does additional dmg

[tranquil cape]

is rogue out yet or still being developed

[plucky kestrel]

12/20

[tranquil cape]

woooho

[plucky kestrel]

Next phase of Alpha 2.... so Alpha 2 Phase II.

[tranquil cape]

nice excited for that

[loud silo]

Not on December 20th though

But sometime during phase 2.

[versed viper]

that hasn't been my experience. I lose plenty of mana lol

[heady iris]

yea thats what I was saying haha cleric are mana junkies

[versed viper]

sounds like he wasn't using skills so of course he won't run out of mana

we have some nice offensive skills so I use them when solo

[heady iris]

exactly my experience

[carmine stratus]

I hope spellsword and battle mage are good

[dark robin]

Clerics stop losing mana later on(level 13+) even they've got enough gear that gives them larger mana pools + more spell power for bless weapon procs. And that's just solo...

Put bountiful bless weapon on a ranger, and you'll never run out of mana again. You can spam abilities on CD with ranger blessed

[carmine latch]

Yup yup

There's absolutely no need to spam multiple damage skills besides conflag while soloing, auto attacks will do plenty of damage and mana Regen while you use heals to keep your health up

There's even a spell which will give you 50% damage mitigation for 6 seconds and heal you for basically all your health once it's cast

Partying will take more mana and mana management but I'm talking about soloing

[toxic ridge]

I would like to point out that SOME servers were experiencing REGEN issues that was due to lag. It affected both health and mana regen ticks (both natural and ability boosted), so some of the mana problems that may have been encountered could be due to that also

[wanton ocean]

is that what the problem was?! I was wondering why mana was sometimes impossible to keep up with (as a bard), like I'd be autoing other groups' pulls to try and get more resonant proccs while my party was resting and just couldn't keep up with mana at all (and other times, as expected, I could keep a whole party topped up easily)

[cursive void]

yeppp it was super noticable since my home node i lurk in had no lag but when i went to grind spots where it was having the lag it had server tick issues on the regen and i was like wow that makes a difference lol

[toxic ridge]

Yeah. I put bless on myself to solo some on my cleric and my mana never dropped below 98%. I went to an area with lag/regen issues and I couldn't keep my mana up at all.

[cosmic field]

This is true for rations-based and resting-based regen as well. It's an issue where the server is clipping ticks of regen.

For this exact reason, many MMOs go to regen happening in larger ticks but less often, since it cuts down on the number of communications that have to go back and forth between the server and the client.

[lofty dew]

you can basically pull forever by using the best move in the game 'pressing spacebar'

and '

'pressing roll into spacebar'

discord -> pre cast mes dance -> flourish in and finish mes dance means you basically take no damage on the way in
instant cast shield dance just for the shield
quick wit yourself
chilling lament, dark lullaby, madd dance, get off the stage etc.
i just swap between menacing and pensive. movespeed melody is good too

[heady iris]

yeah but can you aoe grind ? cuz playing solo killing 1 mob at a time seem slow af XD

[lofty dew]

yea
i did nothing but aoe farm goblins my level for 45 mins

made mad glint

very easy, never had to stop to eat rations

[heady iris]

what spell can you aoe with bard ? sorry never tried the class

[lofty dew]

chilling lament, dark lullaby both have aoe versions you can slot

and if you keep up 3 stacks of tragedy using the crit magic buff, you gain 15% damage and 15% crit chance

which stacks well with menacing melody

so it makes your aoe crank

[heady iris]

nice im really wondering if Ill go mage or bard next phase.. I cant grasp my head around bard being better than mage at aoe grind XD

[lofty dew]

mage is better
but mage has to stop to eat rations if they dont have a bard

which makes bard better

basically

but in an actual group, mage cranks aoe on pulls

and never stops

[heady iris]

yea but rations are so cheap not sure I care.. its not thaaat long to drink no?

[lofty dew]

its a huge time waster unfortunately. there are things like milk from cooking that will help a lot though.

havent tried it yet but looks promising

[heady iris]

ill prob mage just cuz pvp as bard seem meh XD idk tbh lol

[lofty dew]

they're broken in pvp
but so is mage
just play what seems cool

if ur vibing w mage then slam it

[heady iris]

i heard about that, what make them op in pvp

[lofty dew]

like this seems really good

[obsidian fable]

👀

[lofty dew]

shield dance is good, very hard to outdamage lovely serenade
silence -> chill /flourish -> mes dance just gives you too much time to setup dark lullaby for dumb damage
but my sample size is low and ive mostly only faced what seem to be bad players so idk

bard just hasnt been tuned cooldown wise yet. everything is 25 seconds basically

[wanton ocean]

plus bard can be super mobile, so they can chase down or run away from anything pretty much

[heady iris]

just trying to see the dmg potential in zerg vs zerg of mage vs bard

[plucky kestrel]

Question, what is the least played Archetype at this time?

[wanton ocean]

mage will have more aoe damage for zerg v zerg, hands down

bard aoe is comparitively short range, for one, and their role is supportive in group play.

[heady iris]

yea I guess Id play mage just because Id feel useless as a bard in zerg vs zerg (even though I 100% bards are not Id just feel this way being a buffbot XD)

[wanton ocean]

tank would be my guess, always seem to be in demand

[wanton ocean]

yeah, it's not just buffs, there's also debuffs and some damage for sure, but you'll definitely have to split your time between buffing/debuffing and then adding some damage during burst windows, vs just pumping damage like a mage

[heady iris]

yeah I guess mage it is then Ill just drink non stop XD I want a pure dps class seem simpler lol

[wanton ocean]

now's also a decent time to try out multiple classes, with a wipe coming next month, this phase of the alpha is much more about testing things than about seeing how much you can progress and get done

[heady iris]

they will wipe after phase2 also so I could say the same thing about p2 xD

[cursive void]

im thinking since phase 2 will have a lot more class balancing going on consistently i will probably try out more classes then

[long abyss]

Do we know if rangers can tame animals in this alpha?

[neon hawk]

I'm kinda shocked how few tanks there are considering with the larger group sizes in ashes

[summer sage]

rangers aren't designed with pets in mind afaik

just you and your trusty bow

[long abyss]

Oh my bad! I thought rangers were getting combat pets. But I guess it’s everyone?

[summer sage]

seems so

but I don't think pets are in yet

[long abyss]

Ohh okay, thanks!

[chrome spire]

Also important: Combat pet have been noted as taking from your characters power, but I don't think the percentages are known yet? Summoner's summon is the only thing mentioned as being an addition to power where pets/minions are considered.

[long abyss]

I play for the cute pet aesthetic, it can have 99% of my power 😤

[chrome spire]

Fair.

[versed viper]

Where does one get this or do I need to wait for more game systems

[lofty dew]

its cooking but the cookhouse is 'cooked' i think

not sure how feasible they are right now, artisan chat question

@versed viper if you're interested, ashes codex has a ton of consumables listed now

it was fun to look through

[loud silo]

They fixed the cookhouse recipe issue with today's patch

We should be able to make them now @lofty dew

[lofty dew]

very cool

some of the food seems good

[versed viper]

Nice I’ll have to check it out

[runic dawn]

Periodt 💅🏻

[long abyss]

You get it!!

[runic dawn]

Pet classes are my #1 right next to nature aesthetic

[long abyss]

Exactly! My entire animal husbandry is for the aesthetic

Whenever I play Pokémon I’m like yeah that might be a strong Pokémon but it’s ugly af

[runic dawn]

I’m looking forward to exploring that more. I didn’t do too much with in last weekend because I didn’t have the money for it 😂

[lofty dew]

druid summoner

[runic dawn]

What was it, like 62 silver per attempt or whatever at a mount? 😭

[runic dawn]

Exactly this

[lofty dew]

d2 druid was real good

[runic dawn]

Druid was my main in D2 and D4, WoW

[lofty dew]

design wise

[runic dawn]

Summoner main in FFXIV

[lofty dew]

i might give one of these d2R mods a chance

kinda bored lately

[runic dawn]

I haven’t messed with d2r in quite a while so idk what’s going on with it. I played it for a bit when it first came out but most of my experience with D2 was way back when

[long abyss]

I am more of a necromancer kinda guy tbf but zombies can be cute too 😔

[runic dawn]

I wish I could get into it because if there’s a pet class it’s always a damn Necromancer and I don’t want it 😭

Mind you, I don’t dislike it. It’s just that I want wolves bears trees spirits thicc Latino rugby player bottoms

[long abyss]

Dw we can play together and you can pretend my pet is yours

[long abyss]

Okay so we did have a LITTLE curveball there didn’t we

[runic dawn]

Me following along whimpering and crying because I can’t have my own lol

[long abyss]

Is this in reference to my pet or the rugby team you follow?

[runic dawn]

Lol your pet 😂

But also yes

[long abyss]

https://tenor.com/view/sure-aham-yes-gif-26224883

I believe you, thousands wouldn’t

[loud silo]

The longer I watch this the weirder the face looks wtf lol

[wanton ocean]

yeah, but phase 2 will be something like 7-8X the duration compared to what's left of phase, so you'll have a lot more time to work towards more long term goals (in the last couple weeks of P2 I'll be recommend people try new classes too, it'll be a good time for it)

[heady iris]

make sense! still 15 days of p1 tho I want to experience "end game" pvp before end of p1

[lavish galleon]

Lol you won't experience true endgame until release

[runic dawn]

Which is transmogging

[signal plaza]

thinking about going rogue summoner

[loud silo]

oh yeah, new resonant weapon change is awesome

finally got a chance to test it, works exactly as expected, 12.5% mana back from a single proc

[neon zodiac]

hmm can rangers be seen by mobs when they're camouflaged?

[loud silo]

yes

[mortal saffron]

Very much so

[signal plaza]

shadowlord or predator?

[agile linden]

Do you think the tank class is good for pvp?

Main tank

[heavy cloak]

Tank is apparently the best pvp class at 25 atm from what I heard

Very sticky, good resistances can protect group members can’t really get one shot

[agile linden]

Let me know skill rotation pls if possible

[exotic sphinx]

Rotation = L ; Pressing buttons based off the situation = W

[celest thunder]

^

[cobalt dagger]

I heard somewhere bard is a good beginner class but with a high skill ceiling, would anyone here say this is true? I like the look of it but worried id get confused with it😂

[marsh coral]

12.5% mag power? For how many resonance stacks?

[marsh coral]

It's easy af

[cobalt dagger]

really, i think im gunna try bard during the alpha stages and see how I like it anyway. I was stuck between bard or tank

[steady plank]

They have made a few changes to Bard class which most people haven't tried yet so most dont know how bard is performing currently

[neon zodiac]

longbow or shortbow as ranger?

[cerulean isle]

not a ranger but one would assume higher dmg with slower hits be the best way to go and that would be longbow.

[neon zodiac]

ranger can kite pretty well it seems, so shortbow might not be needed

but i haven't tried the class yet, so im unsure

[cerulean isle]

shortbow could be useful in some situations but for ranger imo longbow would be best overall

[carmine stratus]

Do we know when we get staves

[devout nexus]

is mage melee build currently worth without subclasses and has anyone tested around with it yet?

ive narrowed down my options to either mage or fighter and i have no idea what i want to pick

[steady plank]

try both, its an Alpha and everything is getting wiped on 20th Dec anyway

[devout nexus]

true i was going to do a new class next wipe but i don't know how often they are going to wipe, but if they wipe each wave i was planning on switching classes each time

[cerulean isle]

unless a big exploit / bug / dupe is found requiring a wipe i would expect the next wipe to be at start of phase 3 if there is another one

[radiant night]

Steven announced a Dec20 wipe, in an interview

[lofty dew]

the meta is spacebar

you press spacebar and kite

even in groups, being able to consistently proc shatter is more important than melee aoe

[lofty dew]

longbow spacebar kites better and bursts better, shortbow is better at everything else

[arctic wasp]

How is the fighter class?

[loud silo]

4 stacks, and it's ridiculously easy to keep your stacks maintained.

and that was 12.5% of my mana pool, it was a flat 100 at level 6. For the tank in my party when it proc'd for him, he still got 100 mana and his pool was 500, so that was 20% of his pool per proc. Super easy to maintain mana now

[loud silo]

my personal preference is energy spellbook because of the cleave and extra status effects like fire that we can't normally get, but shortbow is really good on ranger. The max tier skill is arrowstorm which does additional damage each time you damage an enemy with projectiles, so things like barrage turn into a mini gun. Or you'll get a doubled scattershot.

For a melee weapon I actually recommend the mace + energy focus. You'll get higher attack speed rating on top of extra penetration from the Mace skill line, without sacrificing too much damage rating vs a 2h and an easy way to get dazed to slow magic casting times.

the spellbook has echo as well at max tier, and that seems to work similar to arrowstorm

[neon zodiac]

spellbook?

[frozen peak]

the book ranged weapon

[neon zodiac]

do archer skills work with a tome?

[loud silo]

yeah

there's two variants the magic and the energy physical one

your arrows launch from between the pages, it's kinda funny

They should rename it Tome to be slightly less confusing, so you can have a Spell Tome and a Energy Tome

the book is the only ranged weapon, so far, that can hit multiple targets

[neon zodiac]

yea thats how i solod groups as bard

lifeleech and go

feels weird as archer tho 😄

[loud silo]

it is funky, but I like it. When you're doing snipe for example, the arrow rests along the open spine of the book between the pages. Looks pretty sweet imo.

[neon zodiac]

i'll check it out. thaks 🙂

[terse oasis]

Anyone else think that splitting this channel into one per archetype would make it a lot easier to see discussion about the one you are trying to learn about ?

[frozen peak]

I think it would make sense, we do that in a lot of the EQ servers, specific class/arch channels.

[slender tusk]

I came here looking for general opinions on fighters before the servers go back up. It would be way better to have separate channels for each

Helps ppl like me looking for info, but also directs the discussion on what and how people are testing each archetype

[dreamy chasm]

Maybe now it'd make sense but why would you want to search information about things you should test yourself in the first place especially as an alpha tester, its counterproductive for the intended purpose of joining the testing

[stoic moon]

Oh it's time for bards to respec

[agile saddle]

i dont like i have to waste 1 point to be able to hover heal allies with jest

[hasty bluff]

damn camouflage still doesnt work on ranger....

[versed viper]

Sure we’re testing ourselves but it’s nice to hear other people’s experiences too

[haughty pewter]

So as a cleric, does my armour matter? What I mean is, can I wear heavy armour and use a Spellbook? Is there heavy armour that will have magical stats on it? Is there any downside ATM compared to wearing medium or light armour?

[frozen peak]

it sounds like light armor has the best magic resist (MR), medium = medium MR, and light = highest MR.

I've got a full set of heavy armor on my cleric and things seem fine.

there doesn't seem to be any tradeoffs wrt to armor type

other than certain stats/set bonuses

[haughty pewter]

Interesting, I wonder if that's the intended design

I guess it makes sense, if I wear heavy armour then I should be more tanky again melee, and light armour I would take magic attacks better

[grizzled ledge]

Almost every game is like this.

[quiet kelp]

How is tanks new visual effects on its abilities? Does it look good?

[agile saddle]

no downside to wearing any gear, except light generalyl has mage stats, and heavy has melee stats

[haughty pewter]

Thanks 🙏

[onyx trench]

wdym it does

it's not stealth

[hasty bluff]

Every time I use it my person doesnt go camoflage.

[dense canopy]

keep running into mages rolling on all physical gear. Chads

[karmic geyser]

What is the best armor type for Fighter

[buoyant thicket]

Has anyone tested from which HP% Lethal Blow deals the maximum damage?

[pliant bluff]

With the recent change to resonant weapon, has any higher lvl bard tested the interaction with Music Mastery: Counterpoint? Do you get to essentially double proc or does it only calculate the one melody?

[agile saddle]

still only the 1 melody

the one currently active

[tardy scroll]

Fuck

[main bramble]

Heavy armor

[keen edge]

Minstrel Minstrel Minstrel

[eager hornet]

Domain expansion

[slender gorge]

Anyone else feel like tank does no damage?

[versed viper]

yes the intention that you can wear any armor type and have stats you need on any armor type. Once crafting is fully functional we'll be able to craft with any stats we want. The idea is you are able to customize your character so if you want to be a Cleric in heavy you can do that. The trade off is the other stats are different - so the base stats differ - heavy has more phys resist less magic, light has more magic resis less phys, and medium armor is a balance of the two. Also armor type has 3,5, and 8 set bonuses (separate from regular armor set bonuses) that you get from wearing that many of a type of armor. So those set bonuses are targeted towards a certain type of gameplay (i.e. 3, 5, and 8 set heavy armor bonuses make you tankier, light armor increases your offensive stats, etc. So yes you can get Cleric magic stats on any armor type but there are choices to be made.

[spiral acorn]

Anyone have any recommendations on a cleric weapon? Scepter seems a bit on the nose, is wand any good?

[neon hawk]

Depends if you want to do mostly ranged. Wand is good single target, book is good AOE, shortbow is good for mana regeneration

[spiral acorn]

Just the answer I was looking for thanks

[neon hawk]

As for melee weapon it's personal choice I see alot of people with great spellswords for aoe and big hits

Also bleed is always good

[untold patio]

With the new resonant weapon changes shortbow isn't really that good on bards, is it?

[sleek current]

I don't know what class to play, getting analysis paralysis lol

[neon hawk]

I know that feeling. It's really difficult to get a feel for a class below lvl 12 but getting to that level is long and painful on some classes

[versed viper]

you have one melee slot one ranged. I prefer Wand cause it's faster but some people prefer Book. As far as your melee weapon, just go with whatever drops that has the most magic power. I have a 1h Sword and Shield in my melee slot and a Wand/Focus in my ranged

[lofty dew]

Bard is still fucking amazing

I was promised I would find out how bad they were

[lofty dew]

So like in theory the perfect timing passive is unreal but in practice I can't figure out how to proc it without getting time locked by the proc. And it doesn't proc at all for book for me.

So I'm personally just avoiding wands and books entirely as support. The damage in the game is too bursty to get locked into a finisher

To be fair I haven't tried ESC cancelling it

[neon hawk]

Shortbow is good for cleric if you have the blessed weapon

[lofty dew]

Yeah I want a spell shortbow with bard

Just haven't found one

[sleek current]

Thanks! That really helps a lot, I've made a character of a like 3 different classes, but theyre all like 5 or so and don't really feel much different, so that really helps

[mild cloud]

You can buy spellbows from the lumber merchants

I tried both and prefer the longbows

[lofty dew]

Nah I'm wanting a level 20 250+ spellpower bow
I already have 320 spell longbow

The haste is just too useful for the entire kit

[versed viper]

yea the one thing I don't like about Wand is the finisher is too long and you get locked in. Book I can't play with cause the auto attack is too slow and the AoE finisher is a death wish cause you pull extra mobs

[lofty dew]

It's unplayable sometimes, it procs so often lol. Like if it didn't do that, perfect timing would be broken as hell. But its balanced in the most annoying way possible

In pvp I would literally NEVER use a book or wand until they fix this

[versed viper]

yea the Wand proc does proc all the time

at least it's reliable lol

[dark robin]

2h Mace and Spear when

[fathom bridge]

ranger silences are still bugged?

[shrewd dune]

oh damn i was wonder how i would be able to see if it was procced. ive been using a book and like wtf how come i cant see the proc

[lofty dew]

Yeah it's bugged

[lofty dew]

Until they fix dazed yes. Dazed is currently coded as alacrity for some reason

[shrewd dune]

man and thaty discordant jump is a bit nuts

like you gotta avoid that skill altogher unless the tank doing huge pulls

[lofty dew]

I guess it depends where u are
I'm sure at carphin it matters

[shrewd dune]

hahaha

yeah just fucked that up woops

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[lofty dew]

Closed doors hard content is where tank matters for sure

Open world it seems irrelevant aside from world bosses

[shrewd dune]

i just started using that last weekend and found some really good dps out of it

[lofty dew]

Discordance?

[shrewd dune]

yeah

[lofty dew]

In pvp when I engage on healer Silence > discordance > roll > jump > flourish > mesmerizing dance > cleric drops silence beam on mes dance is just so good

[hushed valve]

anyone got a good wand spec layout I can check out for cleric?

[lofty dew]

Don't do it

Time locks you

Unless I'm just an idiot
Tier 3 procs are legit locking me out of casts which is so bad

[haughty pewter]

Thanks for the aweseome response!

[sharp forum]

Thoughts on weapons for cleric?

[frozen cedar]

What are people's favorite classes so far?

[white prawn]

So far do any of the archetypes have debuffs? I read cleric supposedly has some but didn’t see any on the brief time I played earlier

[plucky kestrel]

Bard has a decent amount I think. Demoralize on Quick Wit, Staggered on Discordant note, then disarmed with Get Back if the opponent is staggered. A silence, a stun, an incapacitate. Plus some other things. Tanks can stun and snare. Mages can combo into freeze.

[white prawn]

Oh nice! Going to check out bard when I get home

[gritty urchin]

your weapons put certain debuffs on your target

[hushed valve]

can anyone show me their wand skill tree? wondering what other people have gone with on the spec

[shy dragon]

Anyone know what Song Mastery: Harmony skills they correspond to for Epic/Cathartic?

Lament and Anthem don't seem very easy to figure out

[wet mulch]

Bard feels bad now. The main mechanic of the class has been changed and gutted.

First, we can agree that bards have need the nerf after nerf that we've received. This is not a letter against nerfs.

Bards are a commonly played, well-loved class with a core gameplay loop that makes sense. By attacking, you do a thing that changes with each aura (melody). It's simple, and it works.

However, the bard I logged into doesn't feel like the same class. It doesn't play the same way anymore. Instead of attacking to support the group while balancing the innate desire to finish weapon combos with the need to heal and do other things, we now must fan our keyboards, often with zero regard for what spells we are actually casting. We no longer really care what our spells do. We now must care that they each add a single stack of Resonant Weapon. Press 'em all. Press 'em as fast as you can. Don't think too hard. Just spam.

With a single change, the class I love has transformed into something I hate. It's gone from a meticulous prediction-based class to a button mashing monstrosity. I'm not sure what the design intent was behind this decision, but I PLEAD with you to reconsider. Accomplish the goal in another way. I cannot describe the disappointment I had trying to play my class this weekend. I simply hid from my class's newly changed playstyle by spending the whole weekend in the crafting systems.

Sincerely,
A concerned ex-bard-lover

[sand pulsar]

How is fighter for dps? And is greatsword the best weapon for them?

[sinful dove]

Dear intrepid, tanks gotta be dying like 5x other archetypes. Thats so much extra xp debt

Love,
Sonic