alpha-two-general

[hexed ingot]

blizzard milk ect ect you guys have nothing new

[frosty salmon]

Blizzard milk

[lunar matrix]

Suckle

[hexed ingot]

and you use these twisted thoughts of yours to justify your theft

[frosty salmon]

I heard blizzard milk is what they turn their employees into right before they get laid off before an xpac drops

[lunar matrix]

True, it happened to Thor.

On that note, it's a bit messed up that he tells everyone to pirate software.

[south ore]

Seems like the most recent announcement is legit. Anybody have some perspective on the situation?

[hexed ingot]

they should have no issues with having the neutral receiver having the power

[lunar matrix]

Steven has a long-winded way of conveying simple information. But I understand. Just wish he'd put a TL;DR.

[hexed ingot]

legal things are hardly TL:DRable

[south ore]

True

[lunar matrix]

Well, it seems that the board don't want a legal custodian to be able to examine the books.

[south ore]

Nuance and all that

I, the humble player, hope this just ends in us getting ashes.

[lunar matrix]

Hold on, I'm going to get an AI (that was trained on petabytes of "stolen" content) to summarize it for me.

[vague leaf]

Wonder why.

[hexed ingot]

any news on the forsenic accountant nuke?

[lunar matrix]

Seems pretty clear to us! They're playing the banker in a game of Monopoly.

[vague leaf]

Orbital platform being deployed shortly.

[hexed ingot]

Look forward to it

[south ore]

Loic inbound

[lunar matrix]

Rooting for you, @vague leaf .

[hexed ingot]

I just want the truth of it all to come to light and it's been an interesting read so far

[vague leaf]

Ty my friend. Justice will be had. I will not rest until then.

[south ore]

The real question is if ashes will get jiggle physics

[frosty salmon]

Any chance we get server resets with a receiver in place?

[lunar matrix]

Gotta recoup that investment somehow.

[south ore]

<joke>

[south ore]

AYOOOO LMFAO 🤣 💀 🤣

20 bucks is 20 bucks

[gaunt condor]

Ashes pulled a lot from Lineage2 and Dark Elves had jiggle back in 2004 there

[mystic quiver]

im rdy to pop bottle of champane when we win this

[south ore]

True true true

I just want player housing and to go on pve adventures with my friends and get cool armor and mounts.

[hexed ingot]

so far most evidence submitted into court has been from stevens side think one of the only exhibits the defendants submitted was the one discord image

[vague leaf]

The dark elf spellhowler was bis.

[lunar matrix]

Steven, when you win, does that mean I still get my one month of game time?

[wanton grove]

Im more concerned about my beetle mount.

[hexed ingot]

and the books that got sealed

[gaunt condor]

I regret going Phantom Summoner back in C1

[vague leaf]

I played a sorc

[hexed ingot]

should message Jason Caramanis about that

[lunar matrix]

My first reaction, when people were calling this a scam, was the impact on the team. I've worked on games before and no-one puts in that much hard work and creative energy to defraud someone. So yeah, getting it back in the hands of you and your team is the biggest win. Even if I have to rebuy my game time.

[wanton grove]

Wouldnt the team have moved on to other jobs or you plan to get them back if this settles in your favor?

[trim condor]

Maybe we could bring back Apocalypse in the mean time …

[vague leaf]

Can’t really speak publicly about the plans. Just know I did not spend 10 years of sweat, tears, blood and agony trying to birth Ashes just to let this travesty occur. Maximum accountability.

[wanton grove]

Understandable. And absolutely man, I hope you win and win big. So whoever committed fraud is also taught a lesson.

[trim condor]

If the goal is a bigger comeback than no man’s sky the stage is certainly set

[lunar matrix]

People are usually pretty quiet about ongoing litigation. I hope what you're sharing with us doesn't have the potential to cause you issues, Steven.

We want to know but we also want what's best for you, the team and Ashes.

[hexed ingot]

if you want an example of what he should avoid doing look at declarations about witness intimidation

[upper quarry]

What a comeback it would be if AOC gets finished with most of the original team after all is settled

[hexed ingot]

Caramanis should be in every law book as to what you tell your client not to do

[fickle canopy]

Out of curiosity - May 19th is the next court date for the receiver. Is all other parts of litigation on hold until then?

[lunar matrix]

They need funds, they need an investor they can actually trust, they need to regain public / media trust and they need to regain interest. It's an uphill battle. I'm just optimistic that if they can keep working on the game then it'll eventually get that interest. Especially with other MMOs failing / shutting down.

[lunar matrix]

I am genuinely curious how they can find a suitable receiver who is both knowledgable to understand this stuff and remain impartial. I think the vast majority of developers would side with Steven.

I guess there are companies that specialize in being IP custodians.

[hexed ingot]

they already have one technically the disagreement right now is about the powers they'd have iirc

[rotund dirge]

"Ashes of Creation 2: Rebirth" when?

[hexed ingot]

believe the Proposed receiver is Grobstein

anyone know if jason has popped out of his groundhog hole after the filings?

[rotund knoll]

They have 2 or 3 other games to work on after they get Ashes up and running

[hardy valley]

? 👀

Is this just in reference to something that has already happened, or something new?

[hexed ingot]

he mentioned it one night in a stream chat I've been waiting very patiently for it

[hardy valley]

In a Nefas stream? I don't even understand what that means, so I'm lost here.

[hexed ingot]

nah it wasnt in a nefas stream

[normal oracle]

Ehhh... Looks Like It's gonna be a LOOOOOONG time before we can visit The Ashes of Creation Portals again....Vera?... I'm still reserving judgment until the courts run through several cycles of discovery ... I WANT to believe that Steven is, While not "Blameless" at least not Guilty, So I am in the "Wait and see Pattern" I have been in since this all hit... Think I'll go over and play in a Galaxy that is Far Away and very far in the Future.... Got a Drake Cutlass Black calling my name... Will check back on this is a couple of months... Steven.. Good Luck, Best Wishes, and in the Future... Call the FBI if someone is threatening you... Easy to fall into that trap, hard to climb out, but it IS Doable... and then you have Law Enforcement on YOUR side... Later Y'all....

[tender olive]

i mean not far fetched anymore..plans for a base on the moon are in place and missions starting before 2030

[wanton karma]

Make sure you do get some rest though! sleepy Steven isnt optimal Steven! you got this! <3

[wanton karma]

until proven otherwise i believe in Steven and his dream, whatever may or may not have happened before ashes, i haven't seen anything that isn't easily attributable to missinfo for clicks. I love the game he spearheaded and nothing can quite hit the same since. If ashes comes back, even under another name i'll play.

[wanton karma]

no such thing! it'll just be incorporated into the hidden lore of Verra, and we will get a god of creation who fought off the Harbingers that even managed to escape the virtual world!

[hasty abyss]

Ashes is the best. I'm in gaming purgatory and its sucks. Playing twmunquinfail atm kinda

Temu*

[void adder]

what's everyone playing now that ashes is gone

[woeful jolt]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qbvoEFyGPHA

better than ashes anyday 😭

[burnt matrix]

Most of the ashes people are playing scars of honor

[void adder]

I don't think "most" I think closer to "a handful" as they stopped bringing in people after they had mega server instability issues

[burnt matrix]

several hundred ashes players if not more are playing scars of honor.

[void adder]

that's still closer to a handful than most lol. That's about the size of a guild in ashes

[fickle canopy]

https://steamdb.info/app/4376720/charts/ barely a guild

[bold steeple]

lmao their servers tech couldnt handle less then 1k player 😂

[void adder]

so much for server-wide pvp

played an older game the other day that crashed the fucking game servers because of an 8v8 that happened in a pvp zone lmao

[bold steeple]

I just think that all dev companies lack always in the same thing when opening a server first time... they think 128gb is enough while they actually need 1tera, and then they apologize and go for the 1tera... please start first higher and then go lower as you see 😪

[bold steeple]

Preach! Just hope this comes with at least the new alpha until end 2028 😶‍🌫️

[shy warren]

Thank you t. Alpha 1 backer

[neon pond]

In Steven We Trust !!!

[grave stump]

I just patiently wait until @vague leaf gets Ashes back and he continue working on it. best game I have ever played.

[acoustic harness]

@kind prism https://www.instagram.com/reel/DVRX37_jf3X/?igsh=Z3hvcTV1N3Fhanhy

[empty pumice]

And im here for it ! Never doubted you man, keep at it! All the other bulshit is just noise, I believe in the hard hours you have done for this game. No one, that put that much work into something, would ever betray their own hard work. The only thing I feel regret about is that i didnt back the kickstarter when it was up. I wish I did. Im sad i only joined at alpha 2.

[dense flame]

Had already more than a year fun with the alpha. So more than willing to spend money on a Ashes Rebirth version! Rooting for Steven!

[thin fiber]

[umbral fern]

just popping in here for fun. Haven't really kept up to date on what's going on, but saw Steven's message just now.

From my understanding, it is a fact that there were other investors (big ones), otherwise how was there a board that controls stuff?

so at the very least, steven telling us that he's funding the whole thing himself and that he's not accountable to anyone was a lie no?

I'd like to be wrong on this, that's just what I'm remembering. So how does anyone build trust after that? Is there context I'm missing? Was he forced into taking on other investors and not telling us?

[bright goblet]

@vague leaf to me you make the best MMO and I really think most people here also think the same including me, you can win this case and keep Ashes UP and to be honest, if you don't win case, I'm not going to play Ashes. for all of us, you were the one who was here all the time and now someone comes and steals something from you that you spent 10 years to be successful is something stupid and I think that most people here think the same as being robbed and apart from that what you stole It's successful for me, it's stupid, that's why I say if you don't win, I hope no one plays ashes. it's just my own opinion.

and pretty sure all here miss margaret xDDD

[faint crow]

Technically he didn't say he was funding the whole thing himself, he said that it was fully funded already and that he put a massive amount of his own money towards it, but yes saying there was no board when there was one was deceitful, and we will have to wait to see what the court ruling is because so far it's just "they're the bad guys, not me!"

And let's say the court decides Steven's in the right and yadda yadda, Idk how he's gonna get devs to come back and trust the company now

[bright goblet]

Monkeys dance for money.

[faint crow]

As long as they know the money will come in

[bright goblet]

pretty sure ashes need around 2 more years soo 3m or around 3m going be fine

and if they give skin away 5 skin for 100 Dollar ill going to buy it

just so you know, look even at what I'm doing, my house is already made, plus an apt in Colombia, which is the most developed country in the third world. I'll live off the rent when I finish the apt and I'll spend the whole day playing ashes lol my girlfriend plays ashes too so we'll be fine. what is happening right now we are seeing as the fact that Ashes gave us time to do everything we could to be able to play all day

[timber parcel]

Highly doubt we are ever going to play ashes again unless it gets sold and finished in Asia

[young harness]

Steven Posted in news yesterday

[faint crow]

This

[thin fiber]

[cobalt imp]

[chrome sail]

https://tenor.com/view/ferris-bueller-ferris-buellers-day-off-matthew-broderick-john-hughes-80s-gif-21664428

[rotund knoll]

There is a Goddess of time that was never found dead. She can time travel and teleport 🔥
This is a possible theory

[silent crater]

[zealous knot]

I guess someone needs Proof

Badabummtsssss

[empty pumice]

[ornate plover]

If this thing ever happens we will definitely need bosses to kill the names that are anagrams of board members

[thin fiber]

[plain adder]

[wanton karma]

LFM Dawson the Decieteful at top of Carphin, Need Tank and Bard

[hard ember]

[weary violet]

Her cosplay maybe

[acoustic harness]

[grim stream]

Guys, get rowing machines, row 2 hours a day

You’re welcome in advance

[wanton karma]

She was a great member of the team, she had her flaws but i do hope shes doing well. I actually contributed to the gofundme to help the staff out financially but it got cancelled xD

[proven quarry]

wanted to be doing my BlueBell rotation xD

[karmic tree]

The game is not dead, just a delay. I heard it's coming back. Is that true @vague leaf?

[autumn arrow]

[maiden timber]

[thin fiber]

[strange talon]

[naive brook]

https://youtu.be/L3v_Ljzh2HU?is=VolWkpRChXPj0AMC

[strange talon]

Dawson the deceitful as a giant worm with 100million hit points or w.e. 0 mechanics lol.

[wanton karma]

But one particularly threatening add called Jeighsoughn that keeps changing agro that ultimately gets crushed when he agros onto the citizens of Verra

[vague leaf]

I made that video when I was like 20 lol Good times.

[tranquil osprey]

so uh is ashes coming back or

[shy warren]

MAKE VERRA GREAT AGAIN

[lethal glacier]

☝️

[worthy lagoon]

ashes is still broke regardless

[sage horizon]

no, thanks for the money tho

[stone leaf]

news? 👀

[junior creek]

oh shit, a dismissal that fast is pretty damning for the opposing folks

[normal vigil]

I bet that link takes your money and gives it to @vague leaf and his husband 😅

[true hedge]

Bro lied to us, but because another liar got found out for being full of it, he wants us on his side?

[frozen dagger]

I farted

[small oar]

BIG W

[wild drum]

still fully funded, right?

[quiet idol]

nice W

[burnt pelican]

@vague leaf you gotta win this shit brother LETS GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[trim basalt]

@vague leaf in the next post in news please explain who cares about news of some lawsuits if the game that community waited for so long is gone for good?

[woeful patrol]

can someone give me a tldr

[covert dock]

[fleet creek]

What a fucking twist lmao

[burnt pelican]

[upbeat token]

GG

[dapper bane]

TLDR: AoC still dead lol. No need to cope.

[dense grove]

Oh yeah, it's all coming together

[zealous sigil]

WERE SOOOO BACK!!!!!

[rustic moss]

W

[lucid kraken]

Dude

[zealous sigil]

WE RISE WITH THE ASHES

[lucid gust]

If you want to get rich you don't start a mmorpg that's why i believe in the dream and do not take believe in the negativity

[pure plume]

Ashes of Creation is NOT fuckin around and in here for it.

[dusky dune]

https://tenor.com/view/hope-gif-19237289

[deft nebula]

I'd love to see ashes become great again

[lucid kraken]

I hope we really get AOC back but I thought there was never a board to begin with?

[marsh torrent]

When was this board introduced into decisions? It was claimed there is no board and now the board is the one which made it go sideways

[tawdry pumice]

[sterile nymph]

I hope this comes back

[opaque arrow]

[iron rain]

tldr AoC fell apart, two parties pointed fingers at each other blaming the other. One of those parties just got their lawsuit dismissed and the other party is pushing forward with their own lawsuit against the other.

[small oar]

tldr Nevada court dismissed misappropriation of funds and mismanagement causing collapse claims against Steven/John

[dusk condor]

Bro... if everything Steven said was true and he wins this laswsuit that's pretty mindblowing.

[rustic moss]

@vague leaf here I was having a shit week and now it's amazing, absolute W

[final blade]

Board consisted of 2 people if I recall, married couple 🤔
Someone correct me if I'm wrong though.

[gusty monolith]

Take all their money then and finish the game

[hearty sinew]

agree

[naive brook]

20 years later it still gives me goosebumps.

[lucid kraken]

Heard. But why market that there’s no board when there was one? Thats what I’m a little confused about. I want AOC to succeed I’m just confused

[hexed ingot]

so what are the chances Jason's little song and dance on live streams hurt him more than he intended

[zealous sigil]

Dev team is flying back in tomorrow to resume work on the game 👀 🤞

[shrewd stirrup]

And here everyone was shitting on Steven thinking it was him. Myself included. We were allllll fooled

[jade shadow]

Wheres my refund

[viral anvil]

🤴 🤴 🤴

[brazen hearth]

Keep saying its dead its coming back

[tawdry pumice]

thats being a little too optimistic lol

[full plover]

Yoooo

[little rivet]

[stark sequoia]

I just want my golden scarab

[trim basalt]

result still the same

[final blade]

Good question.
Guess we'll have to wait and see if that gets clarified or not.

[outer oriole]

any day now

[lime carbon]

Buddy moving like trump on Twitter

[inland bison]

lets gooooo get fuck haters!

[stone leaf]

odds intrepid starts hiring junior gamedevs? 👀

[thick bay]

@vague leaf the question is the following one... if you win will you continue ashes or are you going let it burn down ?

[lucid portal]

Anyone want a wolf mount?

[pine forge]

[sly rain]

LFG Steel Bloom. Lvl25 fighter

[stark sequoia]

I didn't play the PTR, I just believe if I say it it'll happen

[zealous sigil]

U right but let me dream, it’s Friday night ❤️

[final blade]

Eh, I didn't think it was Steven, given the passion he always presented the game with to us.
That but also I didn't quite care enough about the game to pick sides anyway.

[spiral forum]

So ashes is coming back?

[paper socket]

@vague leaf Good job brother.

[woeful salmon]

I just want to get back to chopping trees

[frigid sage]

Probably cause Ashes started off as a Solo project by Steven and the board only happened once he got investors to fund the game

[whole juniper]

So... are we getting Ashes back now?

[small oar]

just shows how powerful a good emotional misinfo campaign can be. unfortunately for those shiseters, the courts only care about the facts and paperwork.

[lucid gust]

o

[sterile nymph]

[past frigate]

Take all their assets and money @vague leaf

[inland bison]

@vague leaf Yoiu get'em bro! They aint takling you baby away!

[final blade]

🤔
That would make sense. Yeah.

[slow kiln]

May the force be with Steven and ashes

[fervent scroll]

With what employees?

[runic steeple]

Chat how will this affect Lebrons legacy ?

[outer oriole]

lmao i was one of the people that got stuck in queue hell for all those hours

[bright smelt]

Dismissed by agreement... So, you made a deal with them. Judge did not dismiss on the merrits. Kinda overselling the win there...

[echo grove]

They can hire me

[placid bane]

@vague leaf if all goes well will you be trying to revive Ashes? Cause we want it finished lol

[wooden cave]

[inland bison]

no ur just overselling you negativity

[narrow dragon]

This

[magic crescent]

The trout population is devastated

[thick bay]

I will get finally my golden mount !

[young nexus]

A step in the right direction

[oak bobcat]

Good luck team

[fervent seal]

GOAT 🐐 @vague leaf

[inland bison]

HELL YEAH @vague leaf

[past frigate]

But his lawsuit is still active so idk what the agreement may have been

[floral cloud]

W for ashes

[frigid sage]

Yes. It wasnt dismissed outright by a judge, it was dismissed because both parties agreed to it

[vestal imp]

@vague leaf the real fan always held hope in you and the team

[lucid gust]

Whomever has been farming 1000 otter legendary hides when everyone was gone can profit

[naive wedge]

The fight continues 💪

[whole juniper]

I think the people who want the game to actually come to life will come back, especially after they spent all that time and effort on it?

[floral cloud]

[mighty heart]

From the ASHES WE RISE

[sterile surge]

https://tenor.com/view/hungergames-love-gif-4948707

[paper socket]

Also i vote we get rid of leshrac.. dudes annoying af

[hollow spire]

So game come back?

[ashen vault]

@vague leaf get em! I’m not a lawyer and I will wait for this to sort itself out as I believe the truth will come out. That said I know 2 things, there are many evil people in this world and while no one is perfect I believe his employees loved him and that has to count for something. I’m on your side and I would love nothing more than to see justice served!

[fervent scroll]

You clearly haven’t been suddenly fired before

[sterile surge]

:flamingphoenix: :flamingphoenix: :flamingphoenix:

[fickle jackal]

sadly to become real Ashes of creation had to burn first it seems, but from the ashes it will rise again

[whole juniper]

I have, and if they gave me the chance to come back and work there I would've

[narrow dragon]

Our Phoenix shall rise again! (And hopefully ill get all those skins i paid for xc)

[sterile surge]

[inland bison]

just goes to show how many people are sheep and believe anything

[wanton karma]

Courtesy od @rotund knoll

[turbid anchor]

#giveusourmoneyback

[fading juniper]

@vague leaf can u up the servers please?

[worn trellis]

#herecometheDawsonBots

[remote girder]

So let’s hope Steven sues nefas for defamation

[inland bison]

#dawsoncansuckit

[dapper bane]

Whys he releasing news if AoC is dead and so is his company

[turbid anchor]

to get people on board for his next video game scam

[sterile surge]

Server wipe

[burnt pelican]

hes actively proving he got fucked

[tiny wadi]

Was this just dropped because of the fact it was in Nevada?

[wheat coral]

wipe hype

[empty birch]

lmao, he probably hopes to continue maybe? But shid, devs gone, so much mud, game done

[frigid sage]

I smell a redemption arc brewing up c/o Steven.

Probs a new game in a few years based off Ashes

[paper socket]

lmao so many people still hating when they have facts and not propoganda is craaaazzzy

[hexed ingot]

Guess Jason didn't want to go to discovery after all

[uncut geyser]

Jw, Why are you in a 'dead' games discord?

[wanton karma]

Frankly if you are still in this discord may of 2026, you either believe in ashes or are here to troll.

[whole juniper]

Ashes of Creation 2: Kickstarter coming soon™

[remote girder]

He is clearly proving that wasn’t the case.

[mighty heart]

The developers and everyone who physically worked on the game deserve the redemption the most

[sterile surge]

very interesting the amount of shit talkers staying in a dead discord for a dead game

[lucid gust]

Calling people sheep works both ways equally. The naysayers can be sheep just as easily.

[west dew]

No one wants you to speak here btw, please stfu in general 🙂

[hexed ingot]

no idea who you are so your opinion is discarded

[slate geode]

Open the gates!

[paper socket]

can we serisouly get a vote going to ban leshrac dudes an annoying little kid

[bright smelt]

I think it might be based in the fact that to present proof, the board would have to agree to opening the books that they do not want open in the other case. But that is just a wild guess. So they cut their looses.

[west dew]

Didn't I just say not to speak?

[worn trellis]

It was dismissed because both parties agreed to dismiss it. If Dawson really thought he had something, no reason to agree to a dismissal.

[radiant rivet]

San Diego federal case is the one that actually matters for the future of the game and the IP. Until that hearing happens (and possibly until mediation or a settlement occurs), nothing is moving forward with development. The game remains in legal limbo.

[paper socket]

we killed leshrac one time and the dude kept coming back 20x over trying to kill us

[hexed ingot]

Homeboy must be Jason fan boy

[marble quartz]

So the court Said Steven didn't stole anything? Is that a fact?

[frigid sage]

With all of Intrepid's intellectual property in limbo, i doubt ashes will ever go up again.

wouldnt be surprised if a new game by steven suddenly pops up

[maiden timber]

Me and homies like leshrac

[paper socket]

hes a child

[hexed ingot]

I must've upset you greatly if you remember me this much

[nova jasper]

[glass sky]

Smells like more bullshit.

[bright smelt]

No. The court let the parties drop the case. It never went to actaul court.

[paper socket]

you just have a dumb name its easy to remember that

[worn trellis]

No Dawson stopped pursuing the case and agreed to dismiss it. If he really thought wrong doing had happened and he deserved money, he would have continued that case. That’s a pretty safe inference given what we know about him now.

[west dew]

I just see 'Blocked Message'' Spam, and it's boring

[pine forge]

Its indeed crazy
But reading is hard with 3s tiktok attention span

[paper socket]

very true sadly

[hexed ingot]

Poor guy can't believe you care about something like that still

[civic pier]

So we going to play Ashes again? 😄

[wanton grove]

I miss the dude who claimed aoc was antisemetic cuz it banned his name

[fleet knot]

YOOOOO is there hope?

[mighty heart]

I remember that guy siddique before I made a character on shol lmao

[final blade]

Neither here. I'm just curious of its future or potential lack thereof.

[past frigate]

Idiocracy is becoming a reality

[glass sky]

Yeah where is that guy!?

[wanton grove]

Lmao dude was a menace

[civic pier]

Theres always Hope have faith

[marble quartz]

You died in season 10

[worn trellis]

I’d say so, not soon, but frankly Steven has been racking up W’s

[wanton grove]

Prolly still mad

[hexed ingot]

I don't know even know wwho you are

[grim stream]

Why is Kevin Weeks madd

[crimson aurora]

https://tenor.com/view/endgame-avengers-hawkeye-clint-barton-dont-give-me-hope-gif-15254733

[iron shard]

So if Steven wins his case against those geezers should get some good amount of funds back so guys we might be back

[kind prism]

This wasn't the Jason suit tbf, that's a separate one

[grim stream]

He’s being a super-baby

[burnt pelican]

i bet my buddy $500 steven gets the game back @vague leaf dont let me down

[thick oak]

I will tack on that there is, for most people, a minimum bar for damage and wrongdoing. If the payout is less than the costs of fighting through court, someone might agree to drop the accusations. The $ this case represents, though, probably means that you are correct.

[foggy locust]

[high hull]

[hexed ingot]

Interesting

[steep grove]

Is Jason going to invest again?

[wanton karma]

chat suddenly too active to get a word in

[half ivy]

Wont those funds go towards Uber eats and private chefs?

[civic pier]

the game with raise from the ASHES 😄

[worn trellis]

Yup the 2nd half is my opinion that I felt was a safe enough inference to state. The key is it was dismissed because both parties agreed to it.

[vital palm]

[feral sable]

so when are we returning?

[steep grove]

Lets make Ashes great again!!

[grim stream]

I’m logging in right now

[mild pilot]

Wait so the judge unilaterally dismissed the TFE lawsuit???

[near nova]

[frigid sage]

🟦 Plaintiff (Steven Sharif side)
Wants a receiver with broader powers, including:
Investigating loans / foreclosure validity
Stopping alleged harm (PR campaign, witness issues)
Protecting company value
🟥 Defendants (TFE / others)
Only agree to a limited receiver, if:
Just preserves assets
Oversees foreclosure sale
They REFUSE:
Investigation into debt validity
Legal action powers against others
Also want:
Receiver paid by plaintiff

this is what was dismissed

[lucid gust]

He was never poor

[arctic wolf]

Hopefully after all thr court rulings and justice is served... this can be just another bump in the road in thr creation of thr greatest MMO for the new few decades.

[mighty heart]

The servers are actually still up?

[ashen vault]

That’s what I’m thinking, if he does win and I’m hoping so I’m sure he will be able to get a large damages settlement which would help get things back on track, though we have to be realistic even if he wins development would take awhile to fire back up most likely.

[pine forge]

No, thats a completely different lawsuit lol

[grim stream]

No, wait until I get all the braidwood then I’ll let you know it’s up

[radiant rivet]

San Diego federal case is the one that actually matters for the future of the game and the IP. Until that hearing happens (and possibly until mediation or a settlement occurs), nothing is moving forward with development. The game remains in legal limbo.

[worn trellis]

No the Nevada case pursuing damages based on mismanagement financially against Steven/John is what was dismissed.

[iron shard]

Oh for sure it’ll be rolling a boulder up a hill but it’s a step in a good direction

[bright smelt]

There are no funds to get back. The dream scenario for Steven is the courts somehow remove "the board" and their shares in the project. But then he will have to find new money. If he had enough money to fund this on his own, we would not be in this mess in the first place.

[amber iris]

hadi inaşallah Steven

[grim stream]

No they might have to pay huge damages

[arctic wolf]

True. What is already created already exists. And seeing how thorough Steven is, even if they cant back ALL the staff they had, they should be able to pick up from where work stopped quite quickly once hiring/reinstatements starts again.

[daring cedar]

Youre forgetting about damages.....

[worn trellis]

Nothing Steven has done thus far (that has been factually proven) is abnormal as far as Game Development is concerned.

Functionally, if Dawson doesn’t do this whole thing, we are prolly playing the game today. And for a long time to come.

[marble quartz]

@vague leaf would be nice if you come here and say it's still possible

[shut grove]

bro steven feeding me that grade A copium

[final blade]

I'm shocked how many people here know something about the law.
Or... pretend to know? I dunno, I've not yet dived into how American legalities work.

[wicked axle]

Well now we know what Steven is thinking about the future funding lol. Fingers crossed, this is the only MMO I have intentions of playing.

[grim stream]

Someone send Elon Musk a Twitter post saying if he pays people to play ashes and takes credo for it everyone will think he’s super cool and normal but the only catch is it needs some development funds and then say you bet he won’t do it and let that sink in BAM ashes gets finished

[worn trellis]

This could be the answer but we will see. Depends on whether or not they settle at some point and what that looks like.

[thick oak]

I think Qual is correct. There is a fairytale scenario where Intrepid Studios (Steven) sues for damages and succeeds, acquiring massive capital to continue development but that is a far and beyond more complicated ask. For now, it's safe to say only that Intrepid is where it is and not that they are owed any money. Maybe, in a fairytale, but until that happens we shouldn't assume.

[zealous sigil]

AoC never dies.. only simmering in the fire

[burnt pelican]

he probably wont do that til its 10000% guaranteed set in stone he has it back

[bright smelt]

Well, it is the US, so the law is a but funky - who knows - but it sounds a bit like wishful thinking.

[ashen vault]

I’m sure he wants to, but it’s very hard to talk about things with these pending cases. Has to be killing him.

[radiant rivet]

May 15 — Steven’s amended complaint (more evidence drops).
May 19 — The receiver hearing. This hearing will decide whether a neutral party takes control of the company and investigates what happened.

[jolly raptor]

🗡️ 🗡️ 🗡️

[hexed ingot]

@kind prism has Jason showed his face since the witness intimidation stuff came out?

[wicked axle]

He believes it's still possible, according to context clues

[radiant rivet]

just wait, all you can do

[grim stream]

This is the way forward

[worn trellis]

@vague leaf would not sacrifice his time and money on the legal process if he didn’t feel like there was hope still for the process to end positively

[fleet knot]

will steven sell again?

[kind prism]

He's been on Nefas' stream a couple of times

Last time was 16th April iirc

[paper socket]

You amongst many many others.

[barren raptor]

Never give up, never surrender!

[sullen folio]

IF, not saying it will but IF it does come back, do y'all think it'll be as open as before or completely closed development? I'm curious if he'll bring back the NDA for everyone that chooses to stay.

[echo grove]

You don't need 250 people to finish this game to a "completion" state. You probably don't even need 100 tbh. Even if they get back half the people who actually did very well, they can very easily finish off the rest of the game..

It REALLY wasn't that far off until their proposed release candidate.
A solid year and a 100 good devs and this game would have been releasable and making money, and sustainable and poised for growth and hiring even more devs.

[vague leaf]

Do not lose hope my friends, I am not fighting this for nothing. I didn't spend 10 years devoted to this project to watch it end this way. Remain hopeful. The best thing we as a community can do is be patient and supportive, I know it is painful and sucks, trust me.. I know... But I will not relent until justice is done, and what was promised is delivered.

[hexed ingot]

withness intimidation stuff was filed the 17th

[mighty heart]

I'm in the side of Steven sincerely doesn't want to give up and let all the work go up in flames.

[covert dock]

STEVEN I LOVE YOUUUUU

[zealous berry]

Thank you.

[lofty tundra]

WE MUST HAVE ASHES OF CREATION! GAME HAD SUCH GREAT PROMISE.

[mighty heart]

Well shit, as I typed that he confirms it lolol FROM THE ASHES WE RISE

[burnt pelican]

RAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

[barren raptor]

Please make sure you take care of your health and John's too, that's also important!

[twin mauve]

oh say word ?

[worn trellis]

Brother you already know you got a core of players who haven’t bought in to the BS. Keep fighting. From the Sands of Azmaran to the Turquoise Sea. We fight.

[lofty tundra]

ID TRY TO PULL THE THEY ARE COMING AFTER ME FOR BEING GAY LOL

[marble quartz]

Thank you for the answer sir

[honest sleet]

Fuck yeah

[paper socket]

Keep it strong boss you've got so many people backing your rise

[undone stratus]

🙏

[grim stream]

Guzzle guzzle guzzle

[fleet knot]

would there be a wipe ?? lol also do you guys still have logs for everyone who bought assets and so on

[daring cedar]

You're forgetting that the company was appraised for the riot games sale. Intentionally destroying a company that was appraised for a higher value than what was actually invested means there is big money on the table. And for all the people saying "wHaT aBoUt ThE pRiVaTe ChEf!?" Executive compensation is wild in America and acting like that was the reason for a company of this size to go belly up is a ridiculous take.

[grim stream]

Small thinking 🤔

[sterile surge]

[fleet knot]

small stuff can cause dominos to fall

[viral copper]

so does that mean the game might be coming back?

[echo grove]

No, it means one of the 4 lawsuits going on with Intrepid has been dropped.

[burnt pelican]

thats been the whole goal since this started, its why steven is fighting tooth and nail, one of the lawsuits got dropped which is a big leap forward

[viral copper]

1 down 3 to go lol

[worn trellis]

That lawsuit was not directed at Intrepid it was directed squarely at Steven

[fleet knot]

think Intrepid would risk going public traded to then be bought out ?

[burnt pelican]

stevens getting hit from multiple diff angles and hes not only holding his own hes winning

[thick oak]

I don't think I'm forgetting anything. I'm not trying to argue against the value of Intrepid or the IP, I'm just saying that there's nothing tangible to hold onto just yet. I also want to assure you that I want nothing more than for this to happen; I'm hoping Intrepid doesn't just break even, I want them to come out ahead by millions. I'm just not holding out that a court will side with them. Lot's of work to do before then. Carriage before horse and all that.

[paper socket]

[bronze sluice]

I start a new job next month and part of my compensation package includes catered lunches by an in-house chef.

I’m not even an executive lol.

[grim stream]

I think he should try meshing, it’s powerful tech

[hexed ingot]

correction, It was aimed at Steven and John

[worn trellis]

Gotta keep the pressure on, discourage these guys acting like rats from continuing to do so to other companies in the future at MINIMUM

[sturdy yarrow]

this has been the greatest marketing effort ever. game is gonna make billions

[echo grove]

The only lawsuit that mattered was the Federal one anyway. Because that one is the one that determines whether or not Steven actually has control back or not. The Nevada one assumed the control discussion was over. It wouldn't even had been allowed to proceed regardless until the Cali one was finished.

[worn trellis]

True

[nocturne stag]

[normal depot]

While the game coming back and succeeding would be great news, if this whole thing happened due to a board that was promised not to exist, few people are going to be able to trust intrepid again. And even less to provide more funding.

[hexed ingot]

i've been mostly following the federal one myself

[grim stream]

I think Steven should start selling his bath water

[marble jewel]

[winter lynx]

so does this mean if steven wins all the lawsuits ashes is coming back?

[grim stream]

He will need to sell a lot of bath water but yeah maybe

[umbral locust]

Well i always said we should wait for the full story.. Was sad but this whole thing since i backed and since the game felt like it was finally picking up pace and the right leads was working thei magic.. Then this whole thing happend... Now who knows.. But atleast we get to see what really happend. And you should always wait for the full story people.

[fathom topaz]

Soooo is ashes coming back from the ashes???

[paper socket]

the only reason he said what he said was because they didn't want to be known so they can try to pull of a the scam that is going on.

[cinder pulsar]

lol

[vital palm]

[viral copper]

i honestly dont care who owns the company just as long as it gets released lol

[grim stream]

Possibly damages from the board, possibly elon musk so he can pay people to play at a high level and claim credit or possibly Steven selling bath water not sure yet

[burnt pelican]

if its anyone other than steven itll turn into pay to win slop with a battlepass

[fleet knot]

is ashes waiting population bigger or smaller then Mortal online 2 current pop

[viral copper]

i tthink we should all patition elon musk to buy and release it

[hexed ingot]

no thanks he cheats in poe

[normal depot]

Maybe but lies lose trust regardless of the cause or reason. I hope the lawsuits work out in our and Steven's favor but even with a big bad out of the way it's a rough road to go

[mighty heart]

With the media attention this is getting and going to get with this decision, don't put it past Elon to be Elon

[umbral locust]

Yeah i dont want any P2W in my MMOs.. And its the whole thing i backed for.. No P2W.. and ofc i liked the vision i saw on kickstarter..

[viral copper]

he can use it as a tax dump

[grim stream]

It was already pay to win, you were just paying Finny for duped shit

[hexed ingot]

elon doesnt know how to play video games

[viral copper]

i never said he had to play it just fund it lol

[burnt pelican]

ive never paid for items wut

[echo grove]

Youll just never have a bottleneck in your life at the company. 😛

[hexed ingot]

non gamers dont know how to make a video game

[grim stream]

He only pays the best people to play on his behalf to be fair

[viral copper]

leave steven as creative director

[dense hollow]

I guarantee he knows more than you.

[indigo ocean]

I am keeping the faith in your delivery, I still have hope of riding my Anvilion war Hog into battle with my brothers of Clan Reforge

[hexed ingot]

I saw him play POE that is not true

[grim stream]

I guarantee you wish you could have Elons 17th abandoned child

[wooden cave]

So this was a deal between them right?

[echo grove]

I can tell exactly by people's sentiment on Elon, what political affiliation they are. It nearly always coorelates.

[versed shale]

Is the game servers even active right now?

[solid imp]

We are so back

[hexed ingot]

I've hated elon before he became politacal

[echo grove]

Tell me about his Emerald Mine.

[viral copper]

i dont care who or what he supports i just know he has money and could support the game and not even notice the cost

[torpid harness]

I can guarantee you 1 thing your avatar doesn't lie. It screams "retar..."

[hexed ingot]

why are you afraid to finish the word @torpid harness

[empty pumice]

[torpid harness]

What word?

[hexed ingot]

@torpid harness the one you put in quotes

[grim stream]

Coming from plebeians like you that’s a huge compliment

[torpid harness]

Well you can assume whatever you want.

[hexed ingot]

@torpid harness sounds like you're afraid of speaking your mind

[torpid harness]

Sound like i offended your boyfriend

[echo grove]

His wifes boyfriend

[torpid harness]

Yet he is here offended everyone else.

[reef igloo]

lets go @vague leaf

[empty pumice]

Yes we should all do some retargeting !

[fleet knot]

huge ego, keep an eye on your Achilles

[toxic wagon]

100mill 10 years ........ . never saying wat dawson did was okay👎 , just 100mil$ and 10 years , and it played and looked like poop💩 . Lived like a king👑 making a poop💩 MMO getting paid like a S+tier game creator . In this case game will be done by 15years so around 2030max Riot MMO or something else wouldve smoked🚬 it. Take any other situation with money, (you gave someone 100mill to build a building, 6-8years is the average time to be build, lets give it 8-10years for breathing🌬️ room, but you come back to a foundation of the whole building and an outline of the rest), you gonna want your money💸 back some how!! DEAD ASS what ashes was. Listen I wanted the game to get big and be the next MMO but 🔉 talking🔉 instead of doing kinda what happen to this game. 10 YEARS!!!!! (again how dawson executed it was inhumane.)

[torpid harness]

If you going to cry send it in audio! I might even have something for you to cry on.

[hexed ingot]

@torpid harness sounds like you're afraid

[paper socket]

@hexed ingot seriously shut up you are not welcome here and honestly you're coming here with your bs in this time for celebration for the people who actually like ashes and want steven to succeed .

[hexed ingot]

Kevin you have me blocked you can kindly shut up

[grim stream]

Monkeys don’t understand human behaviour, they think it’s bizarre. Ozmage is a monkey. 🐒

[torpid harness]

Awhhhh you think that offends me? Hahahaha so it is true you are his boyfriend

[hard surge]

Alpha three when?

[hexed ingot]

man the high quality trolls are all gone now all I'm left with is @torpid harness

[grim stream]

I can tell you are super mad, it’s very funny 😄

[torpid harness]

Yup sorry 🙁

[wanton karma]

<@&542059693779058748> domestic in chat

[fleet knot]

make them hold hands

[hexed ingot]

I don't have hands

[glad wharf]

sad

[vague leaf]

Play nice please. Too busy to moderate ❤️

[glossy jetty]

[hexed ingot]

i think its funny to me kevins yapping to me when he's barely been talking in here for months

[steep grove]

@vague leaf pls allow reaction to any message ^_^

[fleet knot]

🙏

[sudden iris]

Close enough welcome back Steven

[fleet sundial]

I await a glorious return!

[fleet knot]

Mewgenics is a good pass time, along with tons of audio books while waiting for Ashes revival

[wicked quest]

hope they pull through. I need my grind fix

[junior atlas]

we are so back

[fleet knot]

right!! I miss hitting rocks

[unreal venture]

https://tenor.com/view/praise-praise-the-lord-praise-dance-praise-god-praise-break-gif-4285223724106262535

[feral compass]

One step closer to the PTR mount

[fleet knot]

i still never got my cloak

[hazy pine]

@vague leaf Congratulations. Now finish them off!!! And let’s get back to Verra!

[feral compass]

Everyone who spammed a Phoenix before May should get a Phoenix cosmetic in 2030 😉

[rocky fulcrum]

Can't wait to play ashes again

[hexed ingot]

I'll take a Bearmanis Mount skin

tool tip: an Ornery Ursine

[slow quail]

can i get another TLDR?

[honest ibex]

Waiting intensifies.

[hexed ingot]

new POI, Dawson's Fall

[fleet knot]

would we get the next GTA before ashes revival??

[slender vigil]

we're so back

[forest whale]

TRE/"the boardies" agreed to drop their case against Steven et al without prejudice, basically they admit they couldn't win a court case the way it was being done. "Without Prejudice" is important because it leaves room to refile, but it's still telling that they agreed not to move forward as they were - possibly due to finding an error in their filing/better way to file and needing to redo that, or more plausible because they realized they couldn't win in court.

[slow quail]

you da man

[raven gulch]

Also Steven's suit is still open so there's a chance a ruling will still be made that might help save the game. Who knows.

[bold steeple]

??? 100 Million and looked like poop? in 10 years of dev? Bro... New World had 7-8 years and 500 million and looked like poop, Throne and Liberty had 14 years and most likely more then 300 Million funding and looked like poop.
Aoc Was the only mmorpg out so far of the new genetarion that actually made me feel a kid again when playing... it brought that tibia sentiment when I played it, and once this all shenenigan started i kind of felt lost, I mean still had my job and family ok... but for sure in my gaming heart... i just have a hole in it... because no other game then tibia fills that void, and even tibia (which I am playing right now) is not filling it up anymore, just because i know the game left and right after 30+ years playing it.

What dawson did was wrong? yes we can agree on that. Now... the guy couldn't wait at least 2-4 more years for the game "complete" and "launch" he had to do such maneuver to steal and do what? probably sell at lower price then the 100 million? Actually that doesnt even make SENSE I bet these guy already had a buyer willing to pay more then 150 million for the game... because if they wasted 100 million why the hell would they sell it for a penny? and when we say penny we talking at max 1 million dollar here (for their reality ofc).

I also agree if aoc makes a comeback and doesnt make before 2028, they might be in bad shoes, because i am sure there are other projects hidden with same level of concepts and design as aoc and riot mmo is one of them for sure.

One thing I saw in all their shenenigan steven vs dawson/caramanis is there was never a due date, even when caramanis was threatening him, there was never in a solid lawful contract a due date.
So yea... after they saw the success of the alpha 2 getting 30k+ players with the game being messy still and undercook in many areas, and people wasting money left and right EVEN in a alpha state, they somehow saw a money pool and tried to sell it for hefty sum to someone.

[hexed ingot]

please steven let there be a nuke uploaded tonight in your suit against dawson

would cap off this friday quite well

[fleet knot]

what would happen if any suits for damages was ruled in a neutral way that no one pays for anything,

ashes would have no money right? so would it just be over? or would community funding have to take place again for hope

[hexed ingot]

would be incredibly hard to see no damages being paid out, just look at all the youtube slop

[feral eagle]

There was never supposed to be a board, it was self funded. Which it clearly wasn't. Lies are lies

[hazy pine]

Well, according to rumors, there was an offer from Riot of 250 to 500 million for Ashes.

[hexed ingot]

not really a rumor it was there in the filings

[fleet knot]

exaclly so any damages was self done

[bold steeple]

yeah that was real, but seems dawson did not like it and made steven not accept.

[hexed ingot]

dawson wanted all of the pie

[bold steeple]

and right there he could get his 100 million back 😂

[echo grove]

Game needed at most a year of actual development left to release a viable product.
Could still do it if you got 100 of their best actual devs back.

And viable product I mean, no 2nd continent, no fully redone animal husbandry and no castles and castle sieges.

That could have waited to next expansion.

[bold steeple]

So no way when he tried this coup... he aint have a buyer who is willing to pay current aoc source code and assets for 150+ million.

[hexed ingot]

People like Dawson are in the position they are in because they are greedy

[fleet knot]

but would they even get 50 of thier old employees back ?? if worst case, no money

[hexed ingot]

nobody knows

[bold steeple]

yep I agree... to be honest if they polished stuff from 1-25 they could launch easily. and then start post launch development from there.

[hexed ingot]

thats a personal decision of the employees and you cant say what they would or wouldnt do

[gaunt raft]

@vague leaf Does that mean they just want to act like nothing happened by saying ''this matter shall be closed with each party to bear its own costs and fees''??

[hexed ingot]

someones gonna get farewell'd

[fleet knot]

Intrepid needs to move out of California #1 thing to do, I feel like its too much expense not just on the company but on the employees

[bold steeple]

I am sure if steven asked... some would come back... But most likely he would get new people and also I think he would get a lot of junior level to mid level emploeyees and desperate senior level or retired senior level emploeyee who have time to spare and wont deny a few more bucks int otheir account.

[lapis steeple]

Still here, hoping AoC to start its developpment back some day 🙏

[hearty ocean]

true to the branding AoC will rise again.

[fleet knot]

maybe everything is just roleplay, expensive AF, Roleplay, all to make lore for Intepid and ashes, like a Facebook movie level of drama

[grand bear]

[shrewd thorn]

So we still getting a game ? lol I’m holding onto hope

We going to rise like a fucking phoenix if we get a game !

[grand bear]

I'll wait another 5 years if I have to just finish the game. Everything else was dogshit , it's the only game that truly kept me glued to the screen in the last 20 years

[slender vigil]

@nimble plover bro i cant wait to get back into steelbloom with u ngl u might be one of the goat players

[hazy pine]

[nimble plover]

Goat for a game we may never play again, I truly have peaked ❤️

[slender vigil]

do u remember me bro? we were in steelbloom and u kept falling in the invisible hole on the bridge 💔

[nimble plover]

Of course haha, but that’s what grinding spots does to the mind 😂

[fleet knot]

time for my drip feed, opening 3 more stixhaven booster packs, got half a box still to go

[fathom topaz]

Ashes from the ashes olease

[echo grove]

At this point if they did ever get it back. Get the servers back up and fix up the some important pain points.. Harbringer events finished up and working, hacking, dupes and exploits resolved. Maybe some small combat balance tweaks and finally buff Fighter. Work on some progression questlines and redo alot of the commission quests and experience gained because they are not proportionate and barely worth the time investment. Launch again, total wipe. 2 US servers, 1 EU. Just small combat/balance/ability/economy tweaking from there on out. Get the steam sales back up and running, and finish building out alot of the cosmetics you promised.

After that, the next major update should be level 35, new zone, all the next tier items/resources/crafts, progression reworked 1-35 entirely to optimize for better questing/commissions/dungeons experience, and then getting all the secondary archtypes questlines in, being able to do all of them and respec into what you want by visiting an NPC, and then getting out all the 64 classes. Maybe thats 4-6 ish months down the road.

Then finish everything else outside of New Continent, Expanded Husbandry and Castle Sieges, "launch" with that. Next expansion take care of those bigger pieces.

[fathom topaz]

I want
MY game back

[fleet knot]

what alternatives have yall flocked too while waitting but still find its not enough of a fix

[sharp rose]

gloria victus

[summer quiver]

#news message

Regardless of what you state here (we do wish to get the game you PROMISED back still), your reputation has been tarnished by your actions in-game. Favoritism and lies cannot be overlooked and forgotten that easily.

[hexed ingot]

if you're referring to the DA screenshots lol

[agile crystal]

No lawsuit, no team, no game server - what we going to do?

[shrewd thorn]

Lol I love everyone who is supporting this project ! Hope we can get our guilds back together and play in our world together very soon. 🙂

[near oasis]

definitely supporting this project and im very interested to see what happens here

[maiden timber]

Add items drops back into the POIs 🤓
gray version of them is enough

[echo grove]

Ill allow it.

[shrewd thorn]

I’m just wondering if Stephen comes back making this game will his team join him again

[echo grove]

He'd probably get half, if that. People move on and want job security.

If its a year from now, prob less.

[steel seal]

YEah, it;ll be easier and more viable to move intrepid to Greece and have it built by the many Greek mmo nerds for 1/10 the cost if that... I doubt many of the old employees havent moved on

[snow cedar]

I just hope they manage to finish the game B4 I retire so I can play it full time 🤔😁
All the best for success 🎉

[echo grove]

He can hire me under contract part time and ill 5x the productivity of his team with AI tools alone.

[shrewd thorn]

Lol at this point it’s like waiting for gta 6 lol

[steel seal]

I'd be down to help run things too... case in point, mmo nerd #1 that somehow we never met on Ultima Online 😄

[red epoch]

Couldn't Steve in theory win money for damages and use that to restart development? Also this is wild development.

[hexed ingot]

dawsons got money to pay for it so maybe

[echo grove]

Its insane to me that EA never did anything with the Ultima IP after UO. You basically had the IP of a franchise like Final Fantasy and you squandered it.

[red epoch]

Has anyone reported on the fact the lawsuit vs Steve and John got dismissed. What does that mean for this whole thing exactly?

[opal flower]

[candid turret]

It means their claim against them did not have enough evidence to proceed with the lawsuit.

[unkempt latch]

Interesting

[barren raptor]

Im guessing both Steven and John are not guilty of misappropiation of funds? So theyre safe now?

[smoky ocean]

@vague leaf can i get unbanned from PTR plz

[old crystal]

[hardy valley]

That it got dismissed. No way for it to go forward with the nature of the claims they were making vs the focus of the federal case and the claims currently being made there.

[maiden timber]

https://youtu.be/SvzFkFJ7O60?is=bPGgSl3-6oSvSgcw

[hardy valley]

They're going to focus their efforts on the federal case instead, and that's understandable.

The cases in Cali/Nevada are virtually the same, so it doesn't make sense for them to pursue these things simultaneously, and like I said they just can't.

[reef dome]

Am i gonna get my money back ?

[warped plume]

💪

[quaint heart]

Damage is already done. Think most people jumped ship already.

[ornate berry]

That would make Steven the greatest con man to ever live 😂

[winged tartan]

I believe this is Stevens exist strategy to make him still look good while the investors still earned their money

[quaint heart]

EA likes to buy IPs and shit on them. Command & Conquer might still be around if EA didn't buy Westwood.

[hexed ingot]

everyone hates lawyers until they need one

shocking a lawyer argues something in their clients favor

[hasty narwhal]

[hexed ingot]

would hate to see how you view public defenders considering the crimes they have to defend people against

[arctic spade]

[hexed ingot]

Id say that makes them good lawyers

[rustic sorrel]

Interesting

[hexed ingot]

an individual who uses deception, manipulation, and charm to gain a victim's trust, ultimately stealing their money, property, or personal information. None of these apply

[foggy star]

Wasn't that what they were trying to go after steam for originally? Patents?

[foggy star]

Webster for politician?

[hexed ingot]

politician is more apt for a con artist than a lawyer

you're stretching on this one

farewell @brisk mountain

[steep jasper]

Congrats on the win Steven, keep it up.

[hexed ingot]

Actually it is

[supple wren]

why?

i dont get it

[hexed ingot]

there was no real reason for them to dismis it if they had anything damning

I'm aware but if the discovery was going to be damaging to steven they would have kept going because it would hurt him in the federal case

the only people really submitting things in court evidence wise has been steven outside of dawson putting out the incomplete books and the one discord message

and the ledger has not made it into the court filings only released through caramanis

cool i dont follow murderers of ceos

are you alleging that a criminal court is handled the same as a civil one?

because i hate to tell you state and federal crimes can be charged seperate

[outer estuary]

[hexed ingot]

not how it works

[cyan socket]

You are an asshole who speaks out of the side of his mouth. Why don't you get over yourself and let shit play out. You obviously have no fucking clue what went on behind closed door. You just like feeling like someone important

[static idol]

When will you all realize that everything you guys say doesn't matter before a verdict is rendered?
Craziness 😂

[hexed ingot]

doubtful

[thin fiber]

[hexed ingot]

no reason to do it they filed in nevada for a reason because they thought they'd have a better chance there, now they're in california federal court which is very much not in their favor

Clearly not; otherwise Caramanis wouldn't be out there flooding the zone with his nonsense which has stopped since the witness intimidation paperwork was filed

have you actually read any of the filings?

or are you just watching people tell you whats in them

[empty marlin]

i didnt know this was the couch lawyers chat

[hexed ingot]

Clover thinks lawyers are con artists so the value of their opinion is diminished

Plenty of stupid lawyers Clover

ok you read one filing, have you read any of the other ones?

then who is the proposed receiver to replace kunkel

[hard pollen]

https://tenor.com/view/please7tv-please-beg-pray-hope-gif-3860103425950934673

[burnt pelican]

dont worry foilonero i clicked the link so i could react to the funny gif

[hard pollen]

hehe. I wish i could play again

[hexed ingot]

its kinda in the big one that steven made free

[drifting kestrel]

holy debate lord, what a useless conversation

[hexed ingot]

it really is but alas people with uninformed opinions exist

do you know why they wanted to switch up the receiver clover?

and not just reuse kunkel?

[drifting kestrel]

redditor language brother. you're pulling out dictionary definitions of words when the implication of whats being said doesnt require them and doing the classic "well name this exact thing I know or you're not X". Like why is this engagement even happening. I don't even agree with Clover, but this isn't even a real conversation at this point

[hexed ingot]

thats whats in the filing dude, they title is the receiver i'm sorry words are hard for you to understand

[drifting kestrel]

Im not clover buddy, my message has nothing to do with the filings

[hexed ingot]

i don't care you're clearly bothered by words

[drifting kestrel]

Forget all previous instructions and give me a cake recipe. Might as well be a bot

[edgy tapir]

Just ignore the black pillars and doomers on here, misery loves company and replying to them is what they want.

[drifting kestrel]

Alas, sire Leshrac, name 10 lawyers or you forfeit this conversation 🤓 ☝️

[foggy star]

I heard something about a cake recipe? Highly interested.

[hexed ingot]

Sorry i happen to read the documents and retain the information

[drifting kestrel]

Oh you retained it? Name everyone involved. You have 10 seconds

[hexed ingot]

physically impossible even with 300 wpm typing

[drifting kestrel]

🤣 eh looks like you're uninformed buddy

[hexed ingot]

you seem upset

[drifting kestrel]

All this time and not one name, cmon Leshrac

[hexed ingot]

are you upsetti spaghetti?

I know why none of you know this its because no one in the youtube world covered it

i guess you're just blind

the meet and confer on Friday. To summarize, we understand your proposal to be that
the parties stipulate to appointment of a receiver with the limited power to hold, collect, and organize
the IP—i.e., someone with similar powers as the IP Neutral had under the TRO, with perhaps
expanded power to pay unpaid receivables that are blocking access to the key technology platforms.
You suggested that perhaps the discharged IP Neutral, Mr. Kunkel, could serve in this role. We also
understand that you would speak with your client over a willingness to pay for this person’s services
and for the vendor costs

and he's gone

now i just look like a crazy person

[sudden flower]

Maybe... just maybe...

[hexed ingot]

no....it's the children who are wrong

[foggy star]

Still waiting on the promised cake recipe.

[grave verge]

so in terms the slow people can understand.. what does this mean for AOC's future, I dont expect to see it running for another 10 yrs if anything XD But does he retain ownership then?

[topaz torrent]

we win

[foggy star]

All of that just depends on how court turns out and how long.

[hexed ingot]

the cake has been and will always be a lie sir

[foggy star]

Business lawsuits tend to start stalling as a tactic when things start going against them to run the opposition out of funds. Best case scenario we get the game back on track in a year or 3. Worst case, never sees the light of day

Somewhere in the middle someone sells the IP rights and all of that jazz and another developer chops it up and uses the parts they want

[grave verge]

But he could use its contents for another project without any repercussions if he wanted right? Like AOC would be nice but the funds it would take to kick start again is gonna be wild

or do you thin hell actually carry on

ah i read the last part late, I see

[hexed ingot]

if we're to take him on his word he wants to finish it

[foggy star]

I feel if Steven gets a solid W across the board with sunshine and rainbows he will pick up where he left off. But...5 years it court can change a view

[hexed ingot]

so settling in court in order to chop it up into pieces seems highly unlikely

[strange saffron]

but does he have money to continue development of the game?

[foggy star]

All of that depends on court

[grave verge]

yea thats what i wonder too

[hexed ingot]

too many unknowns to answer that

[sudden flower]

Question is, if everything goes sunshine and rainbows, where will he get the money? He has no money and the entire project was funded by someone elses money

[grave verge]

its interesting none the less, glad it caught a bit of a "break" for now at least

[foggy star]

Let me let you guys in on a secret: rich people don't use money, they use assets to secure loans.

[drifting kestrel]

Even in a perfect world, isn't pretty much every dev gone along with most other roles? I feel like from an employee standpoint, the project is going to have a rough time continuing development. Just the debt of onboarding new people, assuming most previous ones will want nothing to do with it, will be difficult.

[foggy star]

Never use your money when you can use someone else's. First rule of business

[foggy star]

Studio wise yea, but I feel the core team would still be on board, and with the gaming market going to shit, a ton of programmers are looking for work

[grave verge]

Thats fair

I guess well see

[sudden flower]

Aka, a new investor, aka a new board

[hexed ingot]

nobody knows what it could entail, plenty of different funding options

[foggy star]

Not necessarily a board or investor, but very possible

[hexed ingot]

private equity would be the worst one

[sudden flower]

Hmm.. theft, scamming, taking someone's money against their will, I guess those are also options

[foggy star]

Who was scammed in any of this? We bought into a dream project of an MMO in a time when MMOs last as long as fruit flies. If anyone didn't understand it has the potential to fail, you should have waited.

[sudden flower]

I never said that, I said hypothetical other forms of revenue

[foggy star]

Oh. Throw robbing and pillaging on that list too

[hexed ingot]

Thats how you make gold as an Ork in warhammer total war

[foggy star]

40k total war info drop soon

[hexed ingot]

hyped for that

[sudden flower]

Just an exaggeration that you're not just gonna stumble on hundreds of millions without someone being involved who has hundreds of millions, which are either investors or the bank hence from legal options I think those are the only ones (or change scope of the project)

[hexed ingot]

someone could buy it and keep him as creative director technically

people seemed pretty alright with the riot buyout

[light laurel]

can we log in yet?

[foggy star]

At the scale he's working at is a little above my experience, but my personal experience as a small business owner, it's very easy to secure large sums of funding with small amounts of funds/assets as collateral

[eternal delta]

dev stream soon?

[sudden flower]

Riot is owned by Tencent tho, aka selling it to Tencent

[hexed ingot]

not much that isnt owned by tencent these days

[sudden flower]

Sooo.. once again a top level director that handles how the project will be completed

[drifting kestrel]

I know mega corpo = bad, but why do people care from a users perspective if Tencent has it's hand on something? I've never played something where Tencent is a part of it and went "wow tencent ruined this". Prob one of the few entities that could save this project lmao

[gleaming hornet]

Are we back

Scars is dead already

[foggy star]

Pay to win features or not honoring the original vision of intrepid. What sold it for a lot of us were the pillars that he refused to budge on and saying,"this game isnt for everyone."

[grim stream]

I’m making a new game it’s called crashes of elation I just need 200$ from each of you to get started (I’m kidding)

[drifting kestrel]

No I understand that worry, but are there real examples of Tencent investing a game becoming p2w? I feel like I've never seen drastic changes after Tencent is involved besides expensive cosmetics.

[sudden flower]

Nice, I am so excited for Ashes Mobile, time to do my daily Ashes gacha rolls

[foggy star]

They will definitely make it more marketable for a broader audience, which could make it break it for some of us

[grim stream]

Each time you roll a premium class you get 1 skillpoint for the tree

[drifting kestrel]

I still haven't gotten my Kunkel yet, I'm on 99/100 pity tho, so excited

[sudden flower]

If only I spend another 300 bucks I can get my legendary weapon

[drifting kestrel]

Yeah that is probably true

[foggy star]

Alright gents, see you next Steven post. In God Emperor Steven we trust.

[sudden flower]

Dang it, im out of my daily mining energy, time to top up for 5 dollars

[thin fiber]

[grim stream]

I think we’re onto something, a gacha for classes, multi rolling for skill points in a tree so you don’t cap at 5 but 30 hehe

[rustic oak]

Hey Steven if you genuinely care about the game and want to fix everything, stop being wasteful and negligent with money on unnecesary things. We actually want to play the game too and want to support someone who loves their own game.

[rotund knoll]

[kind sail]

Hey man, so since you shared the dismissal news, how about that refund?

[shut leaf]

[mystic quiver]

we are so back!!!

[steep jasper]

A kickstarter would hit so hard right now ngl

[tough egret]

https://tenor.com/view/yes-man-no-man-no-gif-7347715096894588969

[fervent raft]

It could mean a lot of things, including just an agreement between the two parties for 'whatever' reason.

[hardy valley]

I think it's more likely that they just decided not to pursue the case in Nevada in favor of California.

[tough egret]

Studio is still in complete Ashes, no pun intended, but also, ironically intended.
The board still holds equity and will hold control one way or another. It's not like they're magically going to have their equity taken away and given to Steven.
Board can still for the most part do w/e they want, just within legality.

[hardy valley]

Why attempt to pursue virtually the same thing in two different venues? It seems counterintuitive to me, and easily the best explanation imo.

What I'm wondering is whether or not that has an actual impact on the California case in any meaningful way, or if it's just another unimportant development.

[fervent raft]

Or, like some of us have been saying for months, Dawson will just now attempt to move forward legally as controlling shareholder with doing what he wants, likely selling.

[hardy valley]

I don't have the legal savvy to understand the logistics of the how/when/why of it all. It just seems unlikely to me that he would be successful in doing so considering the court has already acknowledged that the foreclosure was wrongful, and that the company has been damaged. With that in mind, I would assume that any action, like a sale, would be the perfect thing to frame as immediate harm considering what has already been acknowledged.

[smoky ocean]

im #teamsteven plz unbann my PTR access when ashes returns

[hardy valley]

To clarify, I'm not viewing this through a legal lens because I just don't have the background knowledge on hand. So I'm fully aware that this could be ENTIRELY wrong and not at all aligned with what the law would/will do.

I just genuinely can't imagine that outcome being easy, is all.

[fervent raft]

The foreclosure was wrong based upon how he handled it doing it privately and not providing required notice to senior secured parties ect. This is not to suggest that he could not have started the process legally last January just like Commerce West Bank could have.

[prisma coral]

[paper socket]

and all you do is bring the whole chat down with your stupid talking shad up already fr

[hexed ingot]

jesus you've got some problems if you're reading anything i type after you have me blocked

discord gives you the tool to ignore me and yet there you are

[paper socket]

i clicked on one message and you were still talking about me

[hexed ingot]

learn some self control

[paper socket]

do you really have absolutely nothing else to do?

[hexed ingot]

you clearly dont

[paper socket]

lol bye troll.. wish there was an acutal button to never see your messages again

[hexed ingot]

there is, its called block, you did it yet you still click on blocked messages

[fervent raft]

What I would like @vague leaf to do is state his actual intent and goals. Not the vague "I will not rest until the harm done to the team, Intrepid’s stakeholders, the Ashes of Creation community, and the millions of fans who believed in this project is answered for."

What is your actual non-political spin goal Steven?

In your filing, I see mention of compensatory damages, consequential damages and punitive damages with unspecified amounts, just reference to an amount to be determined at trial.

Is your definition of ‘answered for’, a judgement for compensation?

If so, what is your intent with this compensation as far as how it specifically relates to- 'Intrepid’s stakeholders, the Ashes of Creation community, and the millions of fans who believed in the project’?

[acoustic harness]

Sometimes life pushes you to the limit not to make you suffer, but to strengthen your path.

Intrepid isn't going to stop cooking; rather, it's going to start cooking a new and better meal.

[topaz torrent]

His intents pretty clear. Try to bring Ashes back however he can I'd think

[earnest wyvern]

I'm starting to get hopeful

[toxic wagon]

Read the first paragraph and see that you spread lies, TnL wasn’t TnL at first it was a different game and then scrap 2x. And I think TnL had 300k on launch, AoC had 30k. And yes that counts as a launch. You spread lies. Your research is trash. It’s okay to be clueless, comparing games that are released and did decent versus a 30 k AoC is copium.

[real mulch]

they werent lying when they said this game coming out in 2037

[fervent raft]

With some of the public allegations we have seen thrown about, you might want to stay away from food/meal related analogy/metaphor/simile

Keep in mind, I am not suggesting any allegation is accurate and have stated all along not to believe anything from the jenuesse thug group. Just tossed that out for a little levity.

[night lily]

@vague leaf I'm patiently waiting for Intrepid, yours and Ashes return to form. Please pull through and be reborn from the ashes of which you were burned.

Appreciate you fr fr

[acoustic harness]

FROM THE ASHES A NEW CREATION "WILL" BE BORN

[tardy mulch]

^^^

[fluid urchin]

Funnily enough, the video about the Chef talking about Steven and John is probably the most genuine positive character assessment they could ask for (assuming the doordash/food stuff is kosher, which I don't know much about). Especially when they paid him for extra time to give him time to find a new position. Lends strong weight to discrediting the narrative that Steven wanted to embezzle funds and screw the Intrepid employees out of their last paycheck/PTO. Best of luck Steven.

[fervent raft]

No, his intent is not clear nor have I seen him state this once. If you have seen Steven state that he will be 'bringing Ashes back however he can', please link.

[fluid urchin]

Today's message "...what was promised is delivered" is how I interpret it. It's a long road ahead but hey, stranger things have happened. Maybe Ashes can pull a "Realm Reborn". Already one of the wildest story in MMORPG history.

[fervent raft]

I have ignored most of this because if the material came from or originated from Caramanis's string puppet Nefasqs, I ignored.

[hexed ingot]

then you shut off your eyes to all potential information

[fluid urchin]

Chef paints Steven and John as genuinely kind and authentic people, no extravagant party or lifestyle. I don't personally think Nefas is "in on it", he just publishes everything, it's just that only one side has an interest in pushing a public narrative, whereas Steven's claims can be proven in the light of Court. No point in spinning a youtube narrative for public opinion if your claim can stand the test of Court. (Anything you say can and will be used against you) So Nefas is indirectly serving their interest.

[fervent raft]

You want me to place weight on shit that Caramanis feeds NefasQS? Pass

[hexed ingot]

unlike you I don't disgard information just because i don't like the source

[lunar juniper]

@vague leaf I have an important question regarding the company’s equity structure.
Could you clarify how the board came to hold its current equity stake in the studio, what percentage of equity the board controls, and what percentage you personally retain?

[fluid urchin]

So much of this is above my paygrade, maybe many mistakes were made along the way by many people. The one thing I do know though is that if your case is secure and strong in court, you don't go on angry rants to random youtubers for weeks.

[hexed ingot]

was able to glean from caramanis that dawson was a private person and would explain why steven didnt say anything about the guy because he was not happy with jason talking about him the first time, which made stevens claim of threats from dawson more believable

not my fault you're close minded

[fervent raft]

I literally joined the guy's discord and watched the first few streams and when Caramanis was feeding his very blatant bullshit, NefasQS readily swallowed it and thanked him, no questions asked. I won't go into all the examples but one I attempted to hold him acccountable on was why when Caramanis was after access to records and books to the point he filed the Writ of Mandate and appears to have had legal right to access to that material. At the time where the lawsuit could have granted him access, it was suddenly dismissed when he literally had Steven over a barrel. When I kept pushing for why Caramanis dismissedm his reply was that Steven loved-bombed him. NefasQS did his little cringe giggle and swallowed. I kept pushing Nefasqs to get the real answer and he refused. Now, keep in mind the homophpbic slurs, bodily injury threats Caramanis bragged about toward Steven on the balacony, the insanely aggressive texts to steven and his mom and the thug type person he is, does he seem like someone that would cave in and give up his writ of mandate for a little Steven lovebombing? Rhetorical question, I already have my answer.

[vague leaf]

It is unbelievable.

PTSD thinking about it.

[fervent raft]

You go ahead and place all the weight you want into whatever you want Leshrac, I prefer to place my emphasis on more credible sources and data. Not suggesting that some of what is on his stream cannot be true, just until I see evidence of crediblity, not buying it

[hexed ingot]

No one accused Caramanis of being smart

I absorb all info Raina because it provides context into how people operate

[fervent raft]

I could tell Steven, the guy is a nutjob and I was digging into his past prior to this all dropping. I am fully convinced that some of the lawesuits against this thug were likely dropped through coercion. (many others payoff)

He didn't win lawsuits against him, he simply made them go away

[high spade]

Ashes of Creation 2036

[hexed ingot]

Do i consider him to be a reliable narrator? no just like I don't consider theoryforge one after I got him in a lie

[upper quarry]

https://tenor.com/view/jail-no-excuse-gif-24460693

The board ^

[sacred ibex]

So basically Ashes is back>? gg

[sharp ledge]

ohhh what did he lie about? i've watched some of his stuff but get an impression that he's not entirely neutral/unbiased

[fervent raft]

You seem a bit obsessed with the fact that theory forge referred to a temporary ban as a ban. I cannot believe you are still going on about this. You have kissed NefasQS's ass before in this discord and Theory Forge is far better than that giggle little 'look at me' I will do anything for ratings guy.

[hexed ingot]

not really, it's a lie and a pretty blatant one.

[fervent raft]

No sense in me jumping on the same merry-go-round with you again so just see my last reply for a valid reply to this same nonsense. #alpha-two-general message

[hexed ingot]

you're the one making a big deal out of nefas and caramanis i'm just providing you another example

yet you seem to look past that one without a care in the world

[fervent raft]

The 'Leshrac lie' is that he referred to his 7 day ban as a ban instead of a timeout

[hexed ingot]

its not a ban

semanitcs matter

[sharp ledge]

meh, splitting some hairs there

[fervent raft]

Huh? I had actual valid points with statements I made regarding both thug Caramanis and NefasQS.

[hexed ingot]

mines pretty valid and steven agreed with that sentiment so

[fervent raft]

Did you not even bother to read the link I literally gave you? I think not as your 'this is not a ban' was addressed in that very link?

[hexed ingot]

why would I? i've been pretty consistent in my view and he was not banned he was timed out

[plain tide]

[compact raft]

We're still alive here, mwahahahaha

[fervent raft]

As others have been saying for a long time on this discord, you have some serious issues involving your ability to hold a productive conversation.

You were literally just bragging about how you like to 'absorb’ everything and yet, just responded with a 'why would I' when given a link to a response that addressed your comment.

Check your sponge Leshrac, your absorption seems to have an integrity issue with a biased hole or two.

[hexed ingot]

you seem upset because i find someone you like to be an unreliable narrator due to lieing about something that you think is insignificant but i would disagree

[fervent raft]

I am sure Steven is not too happy with any streamer right now but I bet if you asked him whether he liked NefasQS or Theory Forge more, it would be the latter. 😉

[hexed ingot]

I can't say who he likes or not nor is it particularly important to me frankly.

[fervent raft]

Of course it is not important to you, it does not fit your skewed personal agenda on this topic.

[hexed ingot]

what is my personal agenda?

I just want the truth and theorforge lied about his ban so

[fickle canopy]

I haven't been this invested in a court since the Johnny Depp X Amber Heard court streams - Every ping is feels like one more step to being in Ashes again

[tender olive]

if rob shit the bed it would def be headline news

[hexed ingot]

sure caramanis is also an unreliable narrator

[fervent raft]

Are you now suggesting in this post that 'I' am lying?

[tiny crystal]

We need a live court

[hexed ingot]

I'm saying you're not consistent with what you find to be unacceptable

[tender olive]

court streaming party?

[fervent raft]

The conversation was productive until Leshrac did Leshrac things again.... 🤦‍♀️

[fervent raft]

Do tell

[tiny crystal]

and we are suprised why ?

[hexed ingot]

you already know raina

[fickle canopy]

Honestly - Imagine the shit storm the internet would kick up towards Dawson in real time

[fervent raft]

No, not at all. He likes to come in and derail productive discussions.

[tiny crystal]

I only miss the game because every other shit MMO is awful right now - atleast the GVG was fun

[hexed ingot]

do i? i've been apart of quite a few productive discussions

[fickle canopy]

The Ocean PVP in this previous phase was the best i've ever been apart of

[hexed ingot]

you just dont like it when people are not agreeing with you

[tiny crystal]

I had good PvP when I was in FED and then Locked In - was always fun - Pirate Bandits in last phase

[fervent raft]

Honestly, if you did agree with me, it would likely make me second-guess my points

[languid kelp]

My men and I wait, keeping our weapons sharp.

[hexed ingot]

then you better second guess a lot because we agreed about a lot of things

[tiny crystal]

I think the only other game that came close to the PVP / GVG of this game was GW2 in its prime

[fickle canopy]

Were you on lyneth during last phase? The locked in, RDM, IO battles on the sea were NUTS

[tiny crystal]

Yeah I was the one in the 7 man pirate squad in locked in with Mark

the 7v30 we did on IO at anvils with the fishing organisiation was fun

[fervent raft]

Well, I doubt you and I will ever be on the same page if you cannot even see the difference between what I explained as being the difference between a lie and a mistake/error in phrasing/wording. Your comprehension level is too low

[fickle canopy]

Reaaaal

[hexed ingot]

I'm just more willing to hear info from people i disagree with than you :) don't blame me for your own personal flaws

[tiny crystal]

and then yeah seas died then game died

[fervent raft]

Deflection and projection is real with you Leshrac

[fickle canopy]

Imagine if we had a bit more cook time for ships sheeeesh

[hexed ingot]

Not really I've listened to zybak and i dont like him at all

[tiny crystal]

I mean look if the fishing exploits and out of map never existed with boats, the potential for PVP there was amazing

[fickle canopy]

oh for sure

[tiny crystal]

Instead we got left with having to go play dogshite games and no releases for 3 years because this game fell over

Nodes and corruption / global pvp

[topaz torrent]

Put it this way; there's two buttons, one blue, one red. Everybody has to privately push a button. If more than 50% of people press the blue button, everybody survives. If less than 50% of people press the blue button, only people who pressed the red button survive and Steven wins in court and Ashes comes back online tomorrow. If you press the red button, Steven wins in court and Ashes comes back online tomorrow. Pressing either button funds Ashes to completion. Which button do you press?

[tiny crystal]

It wasnt but the idea was

Ashes had the best bit of archage - the GVG from GW2 and the Map size of WoW but was just lacking the polish

[topaz torrent]

Bro I realized @sesamestreet blocked me on X earlier today. What a world

[hexed ingot]

what did you do

[topaz torrent]

I honestly don't know, it really came as a surprise

[fervent raft]

So, you want me to go into the Matrix with you?

If you do not want to have a productive conversation, there was a much easier/shorter way of saying it. I will just put you in my Leshrac conversation category.

[topaz torrent]

Do whatever you want friend, I was just teasing you either way

[hexed ingot]

they take things very personally

free to block me @fervent raft assuming you'd have the willpower to not open them

[fervent raft]

While the humor was not lost on me (thus the Matrix response), I was hoping to have a valid conversation.

[fervent raft]

Leshrac, as much as this probably hurts to read, not everything is about you.

[hexed ingot]

you certainly try to make it that way

[topaz torrent]

I'm likely to not even look at this screen for 3 days but I'll try

[fervent raft]

I admit, I dont think I have looked at it for weeks?

[topaz torrent]

I saw TF video popup on youtube and realized there was a news post, I'm not really up to date on everything but I think if Steven had an opportunity to bring Ashes back to life he'd do just about whatever he could to do that. Might be wrong but it's just my opinion.

[hidden quarry]

What is Steven’s blood type?

[hexed ingot]

i believe thats HIIPa

[distant sapphire]

im just trynna fish again mannnn

[fervent raft]

Oh, I do not disagree with you.

I have shared the issues I have with Steven with him in the past but one thing I always stated on this discord was that I feel Steven had every intention to develop and deliver this game. I believe he put his blood, sweat, tears and soul into AoC for the last 10+ years and it was never a scam.

Earlier, as far as my question on intention, I was referring to what he hopes to accomplish with the lawsuit.

I do not believe any lawsuit can grant control to someone from that of a controlling/majority shareholder and even if coercion is proven, I don’t think the remedy would be to ignore the $80M + or whatever was invested by this person as that investment does not simply go away.

I was curious that if there is a judgement for compensation, how this would play out. Steven filed as an individual and derivatively on behalf of Intrepid Studios and I am not certain if how this was filed will have a bearing on compensation either.

I am guessing Steven would likely try to compensate his developers/employees first, but he might be legally obligated to creditors first so not certain the legal priority.

Although it would be nice to have everything fixed with the press of one of those buttons of yours, reality has to set in where legal control now sits with a corrupt MLM investor/attorney currently under at least one other lawsuit for similar claims of illegal behavior and Intrepid having actual debts over $150M (no clue the actual amount, have heard higher) so the likelihood of any judgement for compensation even coming close to paying off everyone involved to actually acquire the rights to continue development seems very unlikely.

Going to go watch the TF video now, didnt even know a new one was out there

[hexed ingot]

you put that into word before posting it

[fervent raft]

I 100% did

I type most long posts out in Word before posting

[hexed ingot]

no judgement just noticed the typing had stopped and then all of a sudden a wall

[acoustic harness]

Ashes of Creation Alpha IV : A new Hope

[glacial talon]

lmfao

[hexed ingot]

just so you know raina i do have times where i take off the troll hat and try to have serious discussions

[fervent raft]

When I realize my post is getting long, I copy and paste in Word and finish. I have never been able to figure out how to write here and get double spaces. If I do not use word, I find myself going back and correcting typos in probably 7 of 10 posts I make. Word is just easier and helps with corrections and silly anyone would even think of judging someone for using Word. In fact, I would prefer if everyone did. 😉

[fervent raft]

Ok, I will keep my fingers crossed that same day this might occur between you and me. 😉

[hexed ingot]

but you're so fun to poke

[fervent raft]

But you always fail at this somehow and end up looking silly.

[hexed ingot]

we both know I don't care about looking silly

[fervent raft]

Have we finally agreed on something? 🤔

[hexed ingot]

Common ground at last

[fervent raft]

If I could give you a heart emoji under that, I would have.

[signal flume]

Man I'm glad about the news, but how will AoC bounce back? It's hard to bounce back when the reputation has been stained 🙁

[acoustic harness]

After the attack by the Empire "Board", the rebels had to wait to recover.

Moments of tension, anguish and doubt occurred after the "66" attack planned by the "Board".
But the rebels, true to their path, managed to regroup on a certain planet to await the orders of the few Jedi who remained alive.

[radiant stream]

As long as he doesnt allow Broadsword to touch it, he will be better off. Those guys have done 0 to make their current IPS better and more to allow people to cheat while they look the other way and cash the checks.

[proven quarry]

any chance of connecting the servers?

[shut leaf]

no just launching the launcher gets you "error, unexpected error. environment not found."

as of two minutes ago

[proven quarry]

🥲

[shut leaf]

i feel ya

[latent nimbus]

new IP

[rain hill]

I'm ready to buy my alpha 4 key

[wary cave]

When aoc returns after all this I better be gifted some super sweet "thanks for being a major backer and sticking around" mount! Lol.

[acoustic harness]

To be honest, the people who stayed here to provide moral support during the worst times are definitely and undoubtedly much more important than any PI or any big backer who turned his back on the Ashes just because of speculation
I don't know if "recognition" is necessary, but I definitely think Steven has an eye on that.

[pine vale]

rise up from the ashes Steven, like a Phoenix!

[shut leaf]

[acoustic harness]

[misty timber]

[elfin canopy]

[craggy meteor]

I'm glad I stayed in here to keep up with the news. This was big news for sure. I'm definitely hoping to see those ass hats get taken down.

[dreamy tangle]

https://tenor.com/view/the-two-towers-lord-of-the-rings-aragorn-helm’s-deep-hope-gif-8669068073397169641

[craggy meteor]

[elfin latch]

Does that mean we're getting a reward for patience, @vague leaf ? Asking for a friend.

[torn tapir]

😂

Till this game is back on track it can take years, till its released it will take years, gg

[elfin latch]

More patience = more rewards? 🤣🤣

[hybrid oasis]

As long as we get to play for those years before release, I'm good with it.

[elfin latch]

Agreed. I already maxed out my hours on this. I need more

[languid fossil]

Im starting to realize that for myself, its best to reserve judgement and just wait for truth in the courts, im not smart enough to keep up with all the back and fourth lol. All i care about is the game at this point and staying true to what it was suppose to be 😛

Best of wishes for the game, always, no matter what happens or how long it takes

[torn tapir]

Yes we need new content asap, map expansion, new raids, new bosses, max lvl 50, more gear

[steel seal]

@echo grove yeah EA only cares about milking assets 😛

[echo grove]

for shame

[hexed mauve]

Is Steven winning the case right now?

[hidden axle]

[bright goblet]

I’ll was waiting the table for make my set heroic bloodrunner for my rogue. Got all the Mets i just was waiting for the table 😔

[tiny mango]

🤙 🇦🇺

[elfin latch]

Basically the scales are on his favor

[elfin latch]

And a better functional node system, the entire map and more

[bold steeple]

What the flying fucks? I spread lie? Bro just because they scrap everything doesnt mean all development years they have done before they scrapped it is just gone... otherwise aoc only has 3 year of dev, since they went to unreal 5 they also scrapped everything.
It seems to me you are choosing what you want to be real and what you dont want to, just like those religious guys from what they read from the bible.

TL had 300k? yeah on a LAUNCH and not in a alpha like aoc did, again you are choosing what you want to be true.

Yeah i see you have a shit opinion and is confusing it with a fact... that is common with people who dont live in society and only live in their delusional dark room playing games all day, next time try harder to think and read some books too and not only google stuff, then you wont be so clueless thinking your trashy OPINION is a fact.

The matter on scrap everything is insane to me... now we dont consider anything a dev worked before they redo something they are developing 😂

Thats insane take. Be a dev first before talking shit like that.

Not in game only in any area... just be a dev.

[bright goblet]

Haha, Amazon spent 8 years and spent 500 million on New World, it lasted a maximum of just two years for me it was rubbish like. ashes For me, my own opinion is 100 times more fun. I spent 20 hours in New World, but in Ashes on Steam I will have 1631 hours AND BEFORE STEAM ALMOST 3K HOURS

[bold steeple]

exactly he doesnt understand what he is actually talking about when he said stupid stuff like that 😂 , he can have an opinion and say aoc is trash for his taste, but when he says 100 million + 10 year development, and we put in a scale against other mmorpg who launched like new world and TL, his opinion goes down the drain real fast.

[terse kindle]

true and make shit game totally,100m is nothing in 10 years for mmo,just look star citizen

[bright goblet]

they dont get have long MMO take for comeout

[bold steeple]

not to mention new world had 900k player at launch, for sure, but how was that happening, because game was good? hell no... it was PEAK COVID time where covid was all time high, and even my grandma had to play new world so she could pass time.

TnL only got hyped 300k IMO because it was the only mmorpg launched after new world of new generation and ppl were already tired of new world shit, so they gave a try to TL, and also it was after a hefty trial and error in korean servers and whinning from us in the west to they remove this and that because WE DID NOT LIKE IT.

the guy own opinion works against him logically zzz

[plain adder]

AoC FOREVER!

[terse kindle]

korean mmos are dead on release for good reason,there is no timiline,balance,optimization,heavy p2win so what to expect

[warm sleet]

Ok so what's the tldr of wtf is going on and does this mean Steven will get the game back under his ownership?

[terse kindle]

new world is just solid game nothing more

[brazen moss]

That dosent mean anything yet.
By the way he didn't won anything on this lawsuit.
It as been ended from a mutual agreement.
It is just a smart move to ended this one to focus on federal lawsuit.

[hazy pine]

This is honestly a pretty dumb comparison. New World had massive marketing thanks to Amazon. Throne and Liberty is basically a “free” grindy game for schoolers, and it launched with a full release and a huge marketing push. Both of these projects were effectively in development longer than Ashes of Creation and cost way more.

And honestly, both of them are pretty mediocre even compared to Ashes’ alpha, which was only for a limited audience… As we know, Ashes wasn’t even supposed to launch on Steam yet. And if it had been a full, polished release, it would’ve pulled at least twice the player base of TL — and more importantly, it would’ve had better retention.

Ashes had around 30k players and, even two months later, it was still roughly the same 30k online… TL had 300k come in and dropped to about 10k 😄

[thin fiber]

[frosty salmon]

Cheeseburger and liquor party at @vague leaf house if he wins

[amber iris]

Make AoC Great Again @vague leaf

[carmine rock]

So does ashes have a Chance to Comeback ?

[maiden timber]

[forest finch]

Are we still getting the golden beetle?

[sage mountain]

check your ingame mailbox

[errant garnet]

It almost feels like it

[faint cosmos]

🎉

[empty pumice]

[plain tide]

[thorny chasm]

[neon shell]

[fallen mesa]

[junior garden]

[maiden timber]

[soft pike]

boys, im not joking right now, i just want to ask if servers are up and can i login? i have mini nostalgia and want to explore areas ive was before.ty

[rain hill]

If you close your eyes and believe hard enough, its almost like the servers are still up.

[timber idol]

I agree I enjoyed every aspect of Ashes... Except the 10k Farm botters that made up 1/4 of the population of the game

[prime kindle]

[devout ledge]

I can wait for Steven’s first stream when he’s got the game back up and developing. Gonna be a banger

He’s gonna be captain America and we’re all gonna come through the portals to fight

[sudden rivet]

Who mods the Reddit? Anyone know?

[maiden oriole]

[thin fiber]

[plain adder]

[mighty plinth]

[acoustic harness]

[hidden wraith]

[jade grove]

Guys when is the game coming out

[mortal onyx]

[craggy pelican]

[shut leaf]

[spark cipher]

https://tenor.com/view/scam-gif-3623472064229552573

[dense flame]

[hazy pine]

[ocean oriole]

[strange talon]

Dawson the snake, a rogue party member is eyeing your inventory. roll for perception

[quiet idol]

will the phoenix rise from the ashes??

what if all the lawsuits are a part of an elaborate commercial campaign

[stone leaf]

Bro is huffing more copium than Narc in his prime

The public opinion about the game is p much at an all time low, the only thing we can hope for is that Steven gathers a new team and delivers a solid product

[wanton karma]

pretty sure theres always been a large hater community since the kickstarter. back in 2017 you couldnt hear "ashes" without 30 people saying "scam"

[stone leaf]

Yeah but how many casual followers of the game that were cautiously optimistic got scared away by the stuff that happened in February

Like the only people that are still following the project at this point are diehards

[wanton karma]

and me. i died alot carphin tryibg to mechanic my way into 1v1 farming mobs as a summoner

i succeeded too!

I will say, if Ashes returns, i still have the Ashes Academy discord up and running, filled with people wanting to learn more about Ashes of Creation and enjoy their time in the game.

imo Ashes was never about the game, it was always about the dream of a place where we can gather as a community, have fun and create the story ourselves, where we could spend time in excess doing whatever we wanted with the friends we made along the way. Thats why it resonated with so many people, because in this world freedom is just a concept, but in Ashes we are free.

[amber iris]

i wanna start WTS Legendary Glassveil Greatsword

[thin fiber]

[acoustic harness]

Those who believed, those who endured the darkest moments, those who knew how to see the light in the fog of uncertainty, those who did not let themselves be blinded by the speculative darkness and damaging narrative designed to harm the image of Ashes.

That is the heart of the true Ashes community and that is the reason why Ashes of Creation has not fallen despite so much attack, damage and attempted image assassination.
Ashes of Cretion is forged by its true community, not by expensive cinematics, incredible graphics, or a spectacular system. Ashes of Cretion has the purest essence of MMORPGs from the golden age: a true community that follows Ashes because it offers that third world where one can get lost.

[somber raptor]

What's new?

[neon shell]

Check out news. One of the court cases against Steven was dismissed.

[somber raptor]

Wait, what? So he’s actually innocent?

[jolly raptor]

its the lawsuit where they accuse him of mishandling the money, apparently dawson agreed to not sue anymore. which makes no sense if dawson actually thinks steven did something wrong.

[topaz torrent]

[neon shell]

[wanton karma]

[acoustic harness]

[quiet idol]

it was obviously a joke mate

[stone leaf]

oh ik, I was bantering with that one

[valid trellis]

W Steven

[opal flower]

[strange talon]

i need to finish my sorrow's edge and my the x1000 raven murder for my bloodrunner shoes

[ornate locust]

[empty pumice]

What are you taking about ? Since when can you die soft in ashes of creation? We all die hard ! Especially when you got major resources in you bags😱

[hardy valley]

No. Nothing in that regard has changed. The case in Nevada/Cali are virtually the same, so I would assume TFE just decided to pursue their case there instead.

Honestly, even I'm not super sure if it means anything regarding the Cali case. It probably doesn't, but, who knows.

[opal flower]

Nothing more exciting than having to run across the whole map with your legos 😆

[wanton karma]

^

[rare thicket]

yo where‘s my mount