alpha-two-general

[earnest cedar]

steven allegedly lying about revenue to get the commerce bank loans 😬

[rotund knoll]

Jason: "I don't just go around sueing people"
Jason: "I've sued 100/120 people and only lost 2 cases"

Something like that... but i had to pause the video and laugh when that part came around

[jolly raptor]

if you have not sued 500+ ppl are you even a real human

[rotund knoll]

Oprah: "you're getting sued, you're getting sued, you get a lawsuit, and if you look under your chairs; everyone is getting sued!

[empty pumice]

[rotund knoll]

I also want to shoutout Afroman. Helping America win yesterday. Freedom of speech is still for the people. By the people.

[acoustic harness]

[acoustic dome]

I sued well over 740 people by time i was 12, these guys are rookies

[jolly raptor]

gj proud of you

[rotund knoll]

It's my first time with Sue. I hardly knew her

[amber mirage]

was there an update on the court preceedings yesterday(?) or are we still waiting on an official statement? \

[sage mountain]

did someone post a summary about the current/latest state of the suing-thingy recently?

[fervent raft]

Keep in mind, Caramanis believes it is a win when he buys himself out of a lawsuit, coerces someone into dismissing/settling, or he is named as a defendant for RICO charges and things like racketeering and the company only has a judgement for $2.5M so......

[earnest cedar]

ok but when nefa asked his wife to get the charger that was 2feet from him and closer to him than her. and she gives him the death stare on camera 😂 im cackling

cam we get commerce bank in the chat. where they at

[fervent raft]

He is a little too cringe for me. The misplaced odd laughter and giddiness around the Caramanis drama, his refusal to question blatant red flag shit flying out of Caramanis's mouth or ass (not sure where all his BS exits from), I want someone that doesn't just talk the talk but actually walks the walk.

[fervent raft]

What would you want to know?

[earnest cedar]

he borrowed money "for intrepid" through commerce bank that gave him a secured position in his house? then told steam they had to release the launch funds to commerce bank because it was theirs, but it really went to his house loan? am i understanding that correctly?

and these investors having the heart to help steven prevent his house being forclosed on. allgedly*

[jolly raptor]

investors having the heart
lmao

[rotund knoll]

💪

[spice hawk]

What’s the news about the court?

[willow vale]

My record for suing people is 1. They hit my car and seriously injured family of mine so yeah...

[earnest cedar]

thats the joke and why i put allegedly at the end 😂

[willow vale]

Now I just want verra back and we'll call it good.

[rotund knoll]

Damn, that's no good. Sorry to hear that. Is everyone alright now? Or was there lifelong injury?

[topaz torrent]

I'll settle out of court right now for $20 and a fresh wipe

[hardy valley]

I'll settle out of court right now for a whole night of uninterrupted gaming

[jolly raptor]

wife said no

[hardy valley]

I swear to god life starts looking like rainbows and unicorns when nobody speaks to you for hours on end.

[hardy valley]

Bless your heart

[jolly raptor]

no u

[topaz torrent]

I tell most people I don't like talking so I don't have to talk unless it's absolutely necessary and I've always dated/married women that talk a lot to fill in the gap

[hardy valley]

I see we've both locked into the interpreter meta

[topaz torrent]

I study people, and we're fucked

[rotund knoll]

I am really bad at conversation. I can relate to "not talking much" too. At least in person

[hardy valley]

I stutter. On a level that makes it virtually impossible to communicate with people.

[fervent raft]

Are you referring to references in the FTE filing regarding the 'Moore Loans' and/or the somewhat generic reference to a loan being taken out for real property in San Diego?

[earnest cedar]

yes, around the 45-55min in video. and then saying steven straight lied to commerce about revenue to secure the first loan, and says he has proof idk.

[topaz torrent]

Trust me bro proof works a lot better in a youtube video than in court

[fervent raft]

Ah, the only reference I have seen from Steven on this was what he included in his filing:

In 2020, the Company acquired a $6 million loan from CommerceWest Bank pursuant to the Federal Reserve’s MainStreet Lending Program. The loan carried a maturity term of five years, was personally guaranteed by Moore, and was collateralized by all of the Company’s assets, including specifically its intellectual property, which includes the Trade Secret Materials.

[rotund knoll]

It's Caramanis not completely understanding that
Investing money into someone, makes it that perons money.

He even says this and follows it up with "although it's technically not his money"

.... but by interpretation of the law, it is Steven's money because it was invested into him.

[earnest cedar]

exactly, id like to see the piles of documents he claims to have proving his accusations

[rotund knoll]

1:06:00 - the message Jason Caramanis sent to Steven's mom

That's a great way to admit to harassment 😆

[topaz torrent]

Yeah that shit was weird

[hardy valley]

Lmfao I'm not gonna lie the contents of those texts were hilarious

[topaz torrent]

Don't get me wrong, when I got scammed by crypto . com back in 2020, I reached out to the CEO's mom via twitter and actually got her to apologize to me and my friends, not that that was worth anything but it was nice to know that everybody wasn't a garbage person

[hardy valley]

I really hope the documents come out soon, I'm dying to know for sure

[rotund knoll]

Release the files San Diego !!

1:17:30 - we were never going to make it public. We were going to take and transfer Intrepid's assetts to the new company 😆😆

Look at how well that went

[empty pumice]

[rotund knoll]

[kind prism]

PI hearing for Stevens team is set for April 2nd

[mild pilot]

I do want my money back lol

[fervent raft]

Holding on to anger is like drinking poison and expecting the other person to die – BUDDHA

[mild pilot]

Would love to hear the argument as to how I wasn't lied to about the status of the company and how it didn't impact my decision to purchase A1

And all of the cosmetics I bought to support the game

[fervent raft]

I am truly curious...... How many games have you purchased in the last 10 years where you based your decision to purchase on whether the developer was self-funding? I will even accept an answer on how many you researched this detail on before purchase.

I am not suggesting some people didn't do this, I just have never seen it as a 'plus' in my mind.

[mild pilot]

Ones where I spent over $1000? Only Ashes of Creation

[hexed ingot]

and the others?

[mild pilot]

Nothing because it was literally beer money for it. They weren't startups either.
A major impacting reason people gave money for A1 and A2 was specifically because they thought the game was fully funded and that Steven had overwhelming majority control of the company, if not total control. Nobody could be expected to think of the amount of debt-equity deals that were made at that time, and that Steven primarily was financing Intrepid through loans

[hexed ingot]

then you'd have no issues listing them

[mild pilot]

I'm literally telling you no other game I purchased was based off the company structure, it was specifically for Ashes because it was a risky "purchase" I primarily did to support the game

[hexed ingot]

show me your early access steam graveyard

buying a game because of a companys structure is wild to me

[mild pilot]

Lol

[fervent raft]

And you felt that placing your $1k into a game where the developer had no prior development experience, was linked to an MLM pyamid scheme for making money, has been linked to things like RMT and bans in games he has played, had public cringe emails trying to solicite other players like Nekrage into playing by promising things like private jets prior to the kickstarter, had red flag pyramid looking referral bonuses for players AND this person was claiming to self fund was a positive for making the decision to invest?

[mild pilot]

Um no? Those were all negatives that were offset because Steven was allegedly a multimillionaire who was financing the game himself

[hexed ingot]

did you do any due dilligence into researching his finances?

[mild pilot]

I made an entire reddit post about wanting open financials

[fervent raft]

Right, but my point is, with all those red flags, you didn't see his claims as a billionaire self-funding as a negative???

[torn bluff]

Lol, I didn't give money for a1 because it was fully funded, I liked how the game was shaping up and wanted to ride it/steer it on the way to its release or downfall, this statement makes me feel like you've never played an alpha or beta, so many games don't even make it to launch or die right after launch.

[hexed ingot]

so the answer is no you didnt

[mild pilot]

I tried to research it but couldn't find his proclaimed real estate empire

[hexed ingot]

sounds like you shouldnt be in charge of your purchasing power

[fervent raft]

Full transparency, I purposely held back at kickstarter from purchasing and waited a few years and watched development. Steven self-funding was not a positive for me, it was a negative.

[mild pilot]

Lmao the simping is wild, "Lying to your customers is ok because they bought other goods and services too that didn't succeed either!"

[hexed ingot]

cool game idea bought for that and expected it not to release

you lied to yourself

[fervent raft]

But, I also do not search out self-funded projects as most have investors and publishers ect.

[hexed ingot]

you bought for the wrong reason

[fervent raft]

Can you please quote the statements you are directing your replies to so this is easier?

[hexed ingot]

there was never a guarantee this thing was going to launch

[indigo python]

I am confused are ya'll defending Steven for being a pos or what's going on here exactly?

[hexed ingot]

i laugh at people that make stupid financial decisions

[fervent raft]

You are confused

[hexed ingot]

i threw 350 into the abyss expecting nothing to come of it

no use in crying about it

[fervent raft]

I get people being upset in feeling they were misled and I am sure that some players might have made the decision to purchase on Steven stating he was self-funding. I just think most people never consider basing a purchase of a game on being self-funded (and some like me see it as a negative) but yet, they are running around regurgitating this as an excuse for anger. For the record, I do not think Goalid falls under the latter, I do think they saw this as a benefit.

[hardy valley]

I would spend another 30 or whatever it was, ngl

[empty pumice]

[hardy valley]

500 hours of gameplay and barely had heroic tier gear

[hexed ingot]

people can feel misled but they only have themselves to blame

[forest surge]

what, lmao, there's no disputing that Steven claimed multiple times that AoC is fully funded and mostly by himself, and he flatly lied about both of those facts. That doesn't invalidate the shit that Dawson and co have done either. Tryna justify his initial lie-- because others did worse-- is crazy.

Should try to refrain from white knighting and just accept that both sides fucked up, because both sides -did- fuck up

[jolly raptor]

yeah but its funny to white knight for either side because ppl get mad

[forest surge]

smh, trolling, in MY CHRISTIAN AOC SERVER?

[jolly raptor]

id never troll here

[fervent raft]

Well, to a degree. I knew even when waiting to purchase that like any other undeveloped game (looking at you Camelot Unchained), the game might never launch. However, I think I have a right to feel misled and let down with a few things, including Steven's lack of transparency (which he bragged about having) as far as the state/solvency of the game and what was going on for the last couple of years as far as concealing Board and control/structure of the company ect. Steven has alluded to there being an intentional coverup of Board members and even possibly UCC listings, and other filings on Dawson's part and I am not so sure this was out of his control as he is suggesting. I think Steven found himself neck deep in shit back in 2024 and the coercion he was feeling had a lot to do with who he selected to climb in bed with as far as creditors and how to get out of the mess without showing the hand he played.

[forest surge]

Holy shit, Raina not totally white knighting aoc and steven? I never thought I'd see the day

[fervent raft]

I never have, you should learn to use the search posts feature as Steven loves to give me a thumbs down. 😉

[hexed ingot]

the problem you have is you trust people too much, people always say things are fine before the crash.

[forest surge]

Regardless of how smart of advice this is, it doesn't change the fact that Steven did indeed lie about the game being fully self funded, both on the fully funded part and self funded part

Rest could all be Dawson and co and it could indeed be that they were the boogiemen that caused the death of this project, but that doesn't take fault away from Steven for the part he most certainly played, which was lying to us

[hexed ingot]

Shame on him yes but shame on others for not using critical thinking

[fervent raft]

When it comes to business, I expect what is presented to be more factual than bullshit. This should never be about lowering expectations of truthfulness and honesty when it comes to representing a company or product.

[forest surge]

Also if Steven did indeed pay himself and his husband 50k a month every single month for an alpha project ong that feels like it should be illegal and/or investigated because what the absolute fuck

[hexed ingot]

wasnt a publicly traded company they have no real duty to tell you the truth about anything

[fervent raft]

This is not tue. There are a lot of laws that protect consumers, even basics such as decpetive marketing ect.

[lime flume]

@vague leaf Myself and many others want some clarity. Could you explain what the goal is for the law suit? From my point of view, priority 1 is to get the team paid. Priority 2? I want to have hope that AOC isn't a lost cause. I would love for the team to come back and continue development on the game we all loved. If not? Confirmation that we can move on.

[hexed ingot]

in that regard yes it is. you have no way to fact check his financials

[forest surge]

I gave up on you awhile ago and also there is way too much nonsense that happened in this chat every single day for me to want to search for anything, my stomping grounds were always the slightly toxic guild-diplomacy-esque channels

[fervent raft]

Your statement was broad and generic, see the added verbiage to my last comment. Regardless of whether a company is publicly traded, they must still abide by the laws that protect consumers.

[fervent raft]

You seem to be under the impression that you 'giving up on me' actually means something to me. I have never whiteknighted Steven as you claim, I often called him out on things like his inconsistency and what came across as unethical bias and unfair leniency when it came to handling 'some' of his community.

[fervent raft]

So let me understand, you are suggesting that Steven could do whatever he wanted including misrepresenting a product/service as long as his company was not publicly traded OR, you are suggesting it would only be difficult to prove?

[modern tide]

"Funded to completion"

[marble quartz]

is this good or bad for the game?

Minute Order for proceedings held before Judge Linda Lopez:denying [24] Defendant TFE Games Holdings, LLC's Motion to Dissolve Temporary Restraining Order Pursuant to FRCP 65(b)(4) ; Motion Hearing held on 3/18/2026. Any responses re: preliminary injunction and the motion to disqualify counsel are due by 3/25/2027; any replies are due by 3/27/2026. (Preliminary Injunction Hearing set for 4/2/2026 10:00 AM in Courtroom 14B before Judge Linda Lopez.). (Court Reporter/ECR Jessica Torres Borynack). (Plaintiff Attorneys: Leslie Evans; Jordan Garman; Jessica Nall).(Defendant Attorneys: Samuel Schwartz; Samuel Strohbenn). (no document attached)

[empty pumice]

[rotund knoll]

[tender olive]

good. it means the judge denied TFE holdings request to disolve the restraining order steven requested. aka it keeps TFE from controlling, sellings, transfering etc etc the IP and assets

[sage mountain]

but it's not a step forward nor backward.. so still status quo i guess?

[kind prism]

Not possible to answer.

If TFE get access to the game, they plan to sell it to a third-party (they allegedly already have a buyer lined up). Impossible to say whether this third-party would be good or bad for the game, but the product they release almost certainly would not look like it was intended to

The ruling yesterday basically maintained status quo. The big ruling is set to be done on the 2nd April. It's where Stevens team argues for the TRO against TFE to be converted into a Preliminary Injunction which basically means TFE are forbidden from touching Ashes for the remainder of the case until everything is sorted and the rightful owner is determined

[thin fiber]

[tawdry pumice]

[autumn arrow]

[river pebble]

https://tenor.com/view/300-shields-ready-ready-frank-miller-spartans-gif-6474441715775994851

[cosmic sky]

well at least we will have game

[empty pumice]

[kind prism]

Personally I'd prefer no game over a shit product that resembles nothing of the original

If I order a carbonara and it comes out made with cream, I'm gonna send it back and ask for a refund

[willow vale]

Maybe

[amber heron]

Probably with p2w cash shop and all...

[timber trench]

Look at what happened with Crowfall. Sold off and then immediately abandoned.

[cosmic sky]

well if it will be as it was in last phase i d like to play even in that state

[terse kindle]

personal,If that judge has any sense, the only right decision is to return the game to the owner, regardless of the investors, because they are the ones who forced Steven to make such a decision!

[mighty tinsel]

Yeah it’s effectively status quo until they get more info and debate/rule of the validity of Steven’s claim. Nevada will likely fully close their case since CA didn’t immediately deny Steven and will make them fight it out in CA who has jurisdiction and is a higher court

[timber trench]

Finding a buyer definitely does not mean it will be finished or ever even worked on again.

[mighty tinsel]

After that, it’ll be discussions on the damages involved for whichever side, how to resolve the case, etc

Expect it to end by 2029 after a dozen appeals and other lawsuits, etc

[terse kindle]

it is best to agree on an agreement and continue with the project

[mighty tinsel]

There is no agreement that would satisfy both sides and have Ashes still being developed

If there were, it wouldn’t have come to this.

Besides you know, the likely hundred million+ $$$ needed to finish the game, and the many fired developers that have already moved on and likely won’t come back,

[jolly raptor]

sell it to riot and they make a good pvp moo 👁️ 👄 👁️

[mighty tinsel]

If this never happened, the team was still there, and they slimmed and efficiencied everything, they could have probably gotten it into a solid launchable state with another $35-50mil

At this point it’s gonna be $20mil+ just to hire a new team, get them familiarized, and settle all of the old teams pay and lawsuits and shit

[kind prism]

Give me the original intended release state or don't bother. I don't want another half-assed MMO launch

[cosmic sky]

if judges would decide like this, noone will invest in games

[terse kindle]

situation here is way different and we know whats happend!

[old sentinel]

What was 💪 about? I scrolled up in here awhile and no one seems to know

[hardy valley]

Motion to dismiss steven's TRO got denied, now we wait till April 2nd for PI hearing

[cosmic sky]

yes we for sure know what happened, only board and steven know that. What u had read in reddit or in other source always flawed to one of sides.

[empty pumice]

[somber niche]

4/2 is the day we all need to look forward to https://www.docketbird.com/court-cases/Sharif-v-Dawson-et-al/casd-3:2026-cv-00965

[narrow smelt]

Lazypeon's video heartbreaker😢

[thin fiber]

[rotund knoll]

I stopped watching him as soon as I realized he never actually spent any time in Ashes of Creation.

[empty pumice]

[onyx summit]

servers still on?

[jolly raptor]

yeah i jsut robbed a caravan

[hexed ingot]

are you suggesting hes the first business to lie to consumers?

and yes i do mean consumers as none of you are investors

[jolly raptor]

how do you know that 👁️ 👄 👁️

[vague leaf]

Unfortunately, while the court processes unfolds I am constrained in what answers I can provide. However, I feel I did provide an answer to your question in my news post statement.

[twin hedge]

last line of the second to last paragraph.

[oblique widget]

Can't even imagine how hard and painful all of this must be for all the team. Hope everything gets clarified as soon as possible even if it does not fix the damage done 😢

[silver flower]

Give us the TLDR on what happened in the most recent hearings.

[kind prism]

tl;dr is judge shot down TFEs attempts to dissolve Stevens TRO. There's now a hearing on April 2nd to get the TRO converted into a Preliminary Injunction which basically means TFE would be forbidden from doing anything with Ashes/Intrepid for the duration of the court case

[silver flower]

Where is this info coming from? I’m assuming this all happened this week in court

[kind prism]

Happened yesterday during the March 18th hearing. Was confirmed via the court tracker

[silver flower]

Can you link Thank you!

[kind prism]

https://www.docketbird.com/court-cases/Sharif-v-Dawson-et-al/casd-3:2026-cv-00965

Minute Order for proceedings held before Judge Linda Lopez:denying [24] Defendant TFE Games Holdings, LLC's Motion to Dissolve Temporary Restraining Order Pursuant to FRCP 65(b)(4) ; Motion Hearing held on 3/18/2026. Any responses re: preliminary injunction and the motion to disqualify counsel are due by 3/25/2027; any replies are due by 3/27/2026. (Preliminary Injunction Hearing set for 4/2/2026 10:00 AM in Courtroom 14B before Judge Linda Lopez.). (Court Reporter/ECR Jessica Torres Borynack). (Plaintiff Attorneys: Leslie Evans; Jordan Garman; Jessica Nall).(Defendant Attorneys: Samuel Schwartz; Samuel Strohbenn). (no document attached)

I just noticed there's a typo in there (I assume) xdd Says

Any responses re: preliminary injunction and the motion to disqualify counsel are due by 3/25/2027

Assuming it means 2026, not 2027

[oblique widget]

Thanks for the update Talents

[silver flower]

Thank you!

[thin fiber]

[rotund knoll]

[fervent raft]

Your question about whether someone is the first to lie to consumers has no merit as far as the point made and your second statement regarding investors is as silly.

[hexed ingot]

not really nothing illegal about lieing about funding to consumers

investors yes which you are not

[fervent raft]

The discussion was regarding your statement "wasnt a publicly traded company they have no real duty to tell you the truth about anything" where I brought up the point that someone cannot do whatever they want, simply because it is not a publicly traded company and provided one example, deceptive marketing practices. You are straying off topic a bit

[rotund knoll]

I invested by purchasing this product. And I'd do it again

[hexed ingot]

they dont have any reason tot tell you the truth

[rotund knoll]

Put me on the board

[hexed ingot]

go ask any private business who they have as investors

[fervent raft]

If you want to debate something I have stated, quote it and reply as I find following people down their rabbit holes unproductive.

[vale wave]

Only news since temp restraining order was the flex emoji, yeah?

[hexed ingot]

im done placating the feelings of people that think the lieing about the investor thing is a huge deal

[fervent raft]

Quote the statement of mine you are addressing.

[rotund knoll]

Waiting for April now

[hexed ingot]

no

[vale wave]

Whats in April, besides my 40th..... sadge

[rotund knoll]

@vale wave
Thanks talents

[fervent raft]

Of course not as you are literally creating and debating your own argument 🤦‍♀️

[hexed ingot]

whatever you say

[vale wave]

Appreciated

[torpid burrow]

Anyway trying to run some caravans? Roads been pretty safe recently

[rotund knoll]

Go north out of miraleth, up the river to carphin bridge.
Go to the road instead of under the bridge.
Take it all the way to New Aela.

Road buff will be active 100% of the way from carphin to new aela

Except bridges... I noticed bridges don't do road buffs, which i personally think is a bug.
Maybe I should report that.

If you are in the Anvils, all the road buffs are working, just gotta avoid ramkin camps

[smoky ocean]

i thought servers were dead

[rotund knoll]

My imagination stretches far and wide

[gritty kite]

-_-

[rotund knoll]

I remember it like it was last week when servers went down with no way back in 🫠

[torpid burrow]

Servers are alive in all of us

[winged wraith]

What games scratch the itch like ashes did for me the mmo grindy but doable to make yourself better midevil fantasy.. Just cant do wow orll, arc raiders , any of the popular names. Being a disabled guy ashes was great at letting my mind wonder and focus or other stuff. Not meant to be a sad sap story just need suggestions. I know alot of been gave before just still looking.

[rotund knoll]

Crimson Desert released today.
Worth checking out or watching some content creators.
I like that it has creative puzzles, and a large world to (literally) get lost in.

[winged wraith]

Thats single player right? Trying to find something also for social aspect as I already spend most of my time isolated

[solid root]

Anyone found a good mmo yet ?

[rotund knoll]

From Ashes Retirement players
I think the top contenders are...

• The Quinfall
• Star Citizen
• WoW
• ESO
• FF14
• Ark Raiders
• SWToR

[smoky ocean]

tortanic? hell naw

[steep grove]

Is that a mmo?

[trail skiff]

hell yea time for beetle mount finally
@rotund knoll Eso just had a major update and released a bunch of content for free

[hexed ingot]

well some of those exhibits sure are interestng

[mighty tinsel]

They finally get uploaded?

Link me to em

[hardy valley]

^

[tight sentinel]

^

[hexed ingot]

they've always been uploaded just need money to get them

[mighty tinsel]

They weren’t earlier. Only the main doc from the ruling yesterday was up, none of the supporting documents

[left raft]

Ark Raiders.. are u dumb ? AR is a Extraction shooter not an MMO

[kind prism]

Only one that's available for free rn is a 2021~ document from a company called Aream & Co that seems to help companies look for investors.
https://www.docketbird.com/court-documents/Sharif-v-Dawson-et-al/Exhibit-1/casd-3:2026-cv-00965-00053-002

[hexed ingot]

I paid for the others

[kind prism]

What was in them

[jolly raptor]

its massive, its multiplayer, its online, mmo confirmed. thats how that works sorry i don't make the rules

[topaz torrent]

Best new MMO out is supposedly Crimson Desert and I know I know, most people will say it's a single player game but that hasn't stopped devs from claiming there game's an MMO in the past

Not that I've played it, if I'm gonna play slop I'm just gonna play League

[static spindle]

I dont like it either, but MMO genre isnt retricted to the MMO style some of us grew up with. You are correct.

[jolly raptor]

techncially correct, the best kind or so

[hexed ingot]

some texts from theresa, emails

and an email from dawson

[jolly raptor]

who is the resa

[void adder]

SLOP ALERT

[pastel solstice]

Foxhole

Division 2

Arc Raiders

Over the Top WWI

[agile dragon]

💀 💀 💀 💀 💀 💀 💀 💀 💀 😂 😂 😂 💀 💀 💀 😂 😂 💀 💀 💀 😂 💀 💀 💀

[pastel solstice]

Massively Multiplayer Online RolePlaying Game

you’ll be alright

[torn tapir]

Albion

Someone wrote quinfall? People play that bs?

Just take this gsme away from steven and give it to proper studio

[maiden timber]

[pure wadi]

MORTAL ONLINE 2 BEST MMO OUT THERE

[rare garden]

So revival arc when?

[jolly raptor]

when the courts are over and then in the revival arc steben finds funding, finds old or new devs and then the trust from the community needs to be won back

[modern heron]

Project Gorgon https://www.projectgorgon.com/

[tidal vector]

I'll be playing Monsters and Memories in 2.5 months because it seems old school MMOs are the only thing that survive anymore

That and !@#^ PvP focused MMOs, lol

Ashes had caravan events, castle sieges, guild wars, node wars and damn PvPers still bitched about going red for being a murdering hobo

[jolly raptor]

i mean the main problem was that there were bugs and you could be flagged yourself and the enemy flagged and still get them to turn red by summoning a mount in combat

and then they fixed that and then yeah all the shit went down

[tidal vector]

Yeah, which is why they need to stop making PvP the focus in MMOs

It's a literal nightmare to do it, let alone do it right

[jolly raptor]

yeah that one bug is the reason they need to rework the game design

[tidal vector]

They could have just stuck with everything else on the list and left open world PvP out of the game

Nope, they got to have their PvP which can never be implemented correctly without turning it into a gankfest shitshow

[empty pumice]

[stone leaf]

Sticking with Archeage private servers atm

[stone leaf]

Hot take but

Progression systems we have accepted as mmo staples are ill suited for pvp games

Realistically a lot of the time you'll statcheck the opponent with either a time investment or a money investment

[broken junco]

It's perhaps one of the most lukewarm hot takes there is

[stone leaf]

I got pushback on this take everytime I brought it up thus far

[broken junco]

And yet it's factually correct, and the reason why GW2 went the way they did on gearing, and WoW separated PvP stats from PvE stats entirely.

It's closer to an old truth rather than hot take.

[stone leaf]

Ngl while ashes was in pre-alpha hearing steven boast how it's going to be a major time commitment to reach level cap in ashes rubbed me the wrong way

I was still sold of the idea because I was desperate for a modern mmo that actually utilizes it's open world as part of the gameplay loop

But the idea I was going to have to grind for months before being able to experience castle sieges and node sieges as devs intended was a massive turn off

[broken junco]

I enjoyed the levelling speed. Too bad we didn't get to see any ways to which lower level players could contribute to bigger pvp events. They talked about it, but never got there before shit hit the fan

[stone leaf]

Oh yeah, grinding to 25 in alpha 2 felt just right

I don't think I would enjoy having to grind to 50 though

[hazy pine]

What grinding u talking about? in good gdroup u can take 25 for 4-5 days. if u speed ruuning for 2 days...

If u dont running for lvling, and progress ur profesions, traiding, walking with packs fishing and etc... ok mb 2 weeks for lvling. its was excelent lvling speed

[bold steeple]

Yall want to experience full open world pvp again?
With better rules of pvp engagement then ashes of creation ever had?
No need for scheduled pvp nor wars?
No newbs accepted?
No hacking not cheating available?
A long history of best full open world mmorpg style?
Come to tibia 7.4 version private server called CLASSIC-RETROCORES.
https://classic-retrocores.com/

ps: any stupid people claiming that they wont play the game because it is 2d top down and graphics... they are not true mmorpg gamers, that is a roblox gen z/67 stupidity level over 9000 who doesnt know their shit and like to talk in the internet their bullcrap safely in their dark room.

[safe niche]

Or perhaps. Some people don't like top down games 😄

[bold steeple]

Then saying something like "I won't/don't want to play because I don't like top down games" is enough. But then entitled weak human goes on "oh its a top down game, what type of dumb human plays a top down game, game so garbage because its top down"

I mean like i said myself they are entitled to whatever opinion 🤣 fax. But then expect a useless convo because of it... just to show how utter shit a person entitled opinion is so garbage like the counter opinion of another person who is arguing with them. and both just realise they are both garbage, who are insulting each other because both dont have anything better to do in real life or any loved ones to be loved by them or love them.

Which is why discord name is discord 🫡

[jolly raptor]

ok but why not play tibia directly

[bold steeple]

Not to mention crimsom desert the "hyped" up "mmo"rpg single player, seems to not be doing that well. I mean some like, and others dont, seems to be leaning more to not liking. But welp... in the end people don't know what they really like...
I have been seeing comments like... "oh crimson desert when player start the game he start basically with nothing", and i was like? dafuq you talking about? you wanted to start with full magic plate mail +999? lol

[bold steeple]

AH because global tibia is pay2win, i like all content they did and improvements... but that game is basically a job for some people. tibia coin is basically a bitcoin of its own tibian envrionment/world, ofc not same price as a bitcoin... but just to show how valuable it is around tibia environment.
Not to mention the tibia coin i am saying is also used as a transaction in private servers, just to show how strong tibia is even in private server environments, but ofc you can only use it on global tibia.

So a pure play to be the best server is normally only 7.4 or some 8.6 versions and global tibia is right now on version 15.0+ or w/e

[bold steeple]

can you provide the answer that if you win, you coming back with aoc, open up the servers and leave it online with auto restarts and then go looking for employees.. also pay the old ones OFC.

I am sure if you do that, players will defenetily come back... slowly... but defenitely.

I dont even look discord/reddit/youtube when i am playing a game, i dont care for people opinions, I mostly only watch them when i am on the bathroom taking a dump and just like when i am taking a shit, most of what I see is shit too and just to keep "up to date" with public news, like cheaters cheating, chinese chinesing, etc etc.

Just don't win this shit back and say something like we will take 1-3 years to put servers back up again because right now we are 2 employees (you and your husband)

Hire a fucking intern or junior dev that knows his shit and put that on and then go work on intrepid restructuring.

I wonder who has the files? like the source code and all?

The judge? 🤣

[empty pumice]

[young brook]

[thin fiber]

[rotund knoll]

[young brook]

[spice hawk]

Any update?

[tawdry pumice]

[empty pumice]

[hexed ingot]

Schrodinger is the classic example of someone that needs their keyboard taken away from them

[eager agate]

Games pretty good just the controls that are jank. Was reading most of the negative reviews on steam and this is the most common complaint. That and for some reason people think there's no story but it just seems like they didn't follow the main story. One of the story quests requires you to help towns folk to move forward aka do some side quests which has less story, but even the side quests had story of their own. Other than the control complaints, just feels like review bombs.

[mint gale]

just hire an intern to run the mmorpg
jfc you people

[eager agate]

Additcts, what are ya gonna do?

[bold steeple]

See this? this just proves my point, on how human are weak. who asked him? did he need to give is opinion or try to act superior and move on, like me when i am lazy and just passive scroll towards all this shit i see people talking?
And then it starts what discord is for. Icant 😂

And i am not even telling that he should not come here and say what he want about what or who he wants. I am just saying he has no context and has no basis and most important of all... no argumentation, but just his utter useless opinion that keyboard should be taken away from me 😂
and then i come here entertaining this shit opinion with more shit counter opinion and maybe we will derrails in a shit useless banter and keep on and on because our weak fucking ego is just so weak that we need to be good in something in life behind a screen in our dark room its fucking nuts.

[hexed ingot]

careful now he's startled

[bold steeple]

Yeah... i think people are just complaining and expecting a next level gen gaming like sword art online with full dive and whatnot of a game, and this aint coming until around 2100 i think.

[bold steeple]

just a suggestion bro chill

[bold steeple]

you couldn't understand my love.

[bold steeple]

yeah yeah yeah whatever makes you sleep at night 😂

[hexed ingot]

i assure you i dont know nor care about you

[thin fiber]

When folk say they don't care about the opinions of others then drop some obv bad takes - just ignore and move on. Otherwise they'll eventually get in to their big feelings and it really just cascades from there.

[bold steeple]

ofc you dont... you made that clear enough 🤣

[hexed ingot]

you wrote a paragraph to me

[bold steeple]

thats the joy of it

[bold steeple]

i write paragraphs of many things

[hexed ingot]

maybe you should write less

[bold steeple]

Nah... I do what I want and you do what you want

and then we just be doing useless shit with the our precious time.

[hexed ingot]

im getting paid right now it doesnt matter to me

[bold steeple]

Good for you, then we can be here all day, because I already have the money.

[hexed ingot]

indeed

[bold steeple]

It is just the joy of it like i said

the more useless the merrier. I just love it.

ego is something so fragile and i love it

[hexed ingot]

just gonna assume theres a language barrier here

[bold steeple]

Not really. But you are welcome to assume whatever you want, you been doing great, my point still standing very straight. Now if you understand or not and want to assume or not it is up to you.

[hexed ingot]

well just two options either eng isnt your first language or you are in fact an example of schrodingers cat but with a brain

[bold steeple]

All of the above.

[hexed ingot]

right then gonna pat you on the head and kudos you for trying your best at a second language can understand most of what you're saying but some of it comes off as a bit weird

[thin fiber]

[crystal sable]

Has there been anything new besides the servers going down finally?

[bold steeple]

Ah you alright bro. dont worry about it, i speak more then 2 languages, we are just not the same in terms of cultural knownledge. But you been doing great. keep at it.

You are understading perfectly fine, everything otherwise you wouldn't even be here 😉

[hexed ingot]

not true; i dont read half of the stuff i reply to

i like to troll

[bold steeple]

Likewise i just keep at it, because like i said it is just for the joy 😂

And likewise is why i post paragraphs if i need to, it just comes into my finger automatically.

I am just good at it 😂

Paragrahs tend to trigger people and i dont know why. It is something amusing to me and it comes naturally.

[stone leaf]

Ragebaiting for the love of the game
I salute it

[bold steeple]

Oh but dont get it wrong... i read everything... likewise is just for the trolling part.

I tend to read everything because every nit bit of word people say in a useless banter is an interesting weakness i like to study and quench my curiosity of how, why, when, what of it 😂 it is just fun.

People are so "cogs" within its own environment. Be serious guy, or a troll, or a rager, or victim.

[empty pumice]

[thin fiber]

[cosmic sky]

claiming that people who dont like ur game is not true mmorpg gamers is a roblox gen z/67 stupidity level over 9000 who doesnt know their shit and like to talk in the internet their bullcrap safely in their dark room.

[bold steeple]

yep. and if you scroll down a bit more when someone also gave a argument about it. he said "maybe people just dont like top down" and i concur and put it further... if people say "i dont like top down and wont play it" is fine, but when people say "top down is dumb shit that isn't even mmorpg and bla bla" then that person falls exactly within that parameter of roblox genz/67 play with stupidity over 9000, etc etc.

Again guys... yall not accepting my reasoning is one thing, yall not wanting to understand my reasoning is another thing.
Think about it. 😉

the "ps" is just a stupid counter argument against another stupid counter argument to whys not to play a top down game. You play stupidity against stupidity 🤣

And if ppl actually found it offensive, hope its because i talked about "roblox" and not because "stupidity level over 9000 and doesnt know their shit and like to talk in the internet their bullcrap safely in their dark room".

Because if it is because i made roblox players in same level of "stupidity level over 9000 and doesnt know their shit and like to talk in the internet their bullcrap safely in their dark room", then i am guilty.

And i should've not put roblox at that level, since even i played with my nephews and found it very fun lol.

[cosmic sky]

man noone will be even trying to understand anything u will write after a roblox gen z/67 stupidity level over 9000 who doesnt know their shit and like to talk in the internet their bullcrap safely in their dark room.
What kind of statement is that?

[bold steeple]

again i already explained and wont really repeat my self. explained before and explained right now

if you dont want to understand is one thing, if you provide more argumentation is another thing.

[cosmic sky]

well thats okay, i just rutinely checked this disc, seen ur message, laughed hard, and then move on. anyway thx for make me laugh, each day there are fewer things that make so.

[bold steeple]

😂 thats good, no worries.

Just trying to make @vague leaf answer me when he wins will he put servers on and then work on reestructuring intrepid, or he will reestructure first and then open servers... the latter will take at least a minimum of 2 years and i bet he might want to change stuff in the run which will take us to alpha 3 and take more 5 to make alpha 3 to make it happen.

So hope you win @vague leaf and put it on.

liking or not i was playing this shit until servers died for good. and now i dont have anything to play until classic-retrocores.com comes up online.

[maiden timber]

[thin fiber]

[kind prism]

I don't think there's much chance Steven puts the servers back up if he wins even if he did somehow get control of the IP which would be unlikely unless he can giga prove that he was physically threatened to hand over stake in the company

Based on his post in #news my guess is his claimed plan is to just try and get both the employees paid and players refunded based on this line

I am now fully committed to holding the individuals responsible for this tragedy accountable and to preventing any further harm to the company or its assets, and to making the team and the players whole.

[bold steeple]

damn... then we doomed until riot mmo

if that ever happens and its good zzzzz

[eager agate]

All players or just steam?

[hexed ingot]

well the board definitely was trying to be sneaky with the bank stuff

[kind prism]

Yeah I think there's basically zero room for argument that the board didn't colossally fuck up with that, they'll probably lose hard on that part in court. But I think the only way Steven has any chance of keeping Intrepid in any meaningful way is if he can somehow prove he was genuinely threatened to handover stake in the company

but I'm not a lawyer nor do I know anything about the law so

[rotund knoll]

They did want the game to continue though. Jason admitted it in his interview that from what he was aware, they made over a hundred million in revenue.
That doesn't mean it was all profits, just that it was actually seeing income.

• this holds no value on what happens after the court makes a final decision

[hexed ingot]

the text exchange from theresa and steven is pretty damning on their part

[mighty tinsel]

They didn’t want the game to continue. They wanted to cash out

Their entire goal was to cash out as much as possible, damned be the game.

[kind prism]

I have not seen anything that says they made over $100m in revenue. If that was the case then they'd only be in the hole for around $30m or something

[hexed ingot]

"notifying the bank would naturally accelerate any seizure notice. That limited optionality."

[mighty tinsel]

Any arguments over them wanting the game to continue would be entirely thrown out the window when they said they wanted it to launch in September with a $20/month sub cost

[rotund knoll]

I haven't seen anything either, it wasn't until I revisited that "interview" where I recognized it.

[hardy valley]

iirc that was the plan until Steven did what he did.

[kind prism]

Yes and no. From internal documents the plan before everything went to shit in January was to fire 100+ people, then outsource the rest overseas and force a release by September 2026 and monetize out the ass to try and get $300m in sales as fast as possible

[hardy valley]

I'd go back and rewatch the vid but Jason is so hard to listen to

[rotund knoll]

I believe so. I am pretty sure the "falling out" messed that up

[mighty tinsel]

Yes, which isn’t letting the game continue. That’s bleeding it dry as much as possible before dumping it

Same argument as sears or toys r us

Companies bought it to bleed as much of it dry as possible, then sell it in pieces

[kind prism]

I don't disagree xdd The board obviously doesn't care about the game, they just want to make the most $$ possible in the shortest time

They're literally the stereotypical gaming exec in recent years. Forgo any long-term profit even if it would get you more in favour of monetizing out the ass for immediate short-term profit

[rotund knoll]

Yeah, scummy investor tactics that mostly hurt the consumer

[hexed ingot]

if they wanted to save the game there was allegedly a buyer before the foreclosure happened

[kind prism]

There's apparently currently a buyer, they just can't sell because of the TRO which Stevens team are looking to get converted into a PI on April 2nd which basically means TFE wouldn't be able to touch the assets until after the case is over (if they won)

[hexed ingot]

its possibly the same entity because what im reading from the exhibits is they would consider it if it "intrepid" was near failure

[amber heron]

That is what makes me so happy they lost $100M in this. Because part of the calculation was not only the game or employees. Great part of the deal was us, players. We were the commodity in the transaction.

[rotund knoll]

Found it. I misunderstood.

Didn't make 100M , he was just talking about the investment.

My fault

@faint matrix slow mode over there prevented me from message...
Can't login officially anymore.
Not even any Workaround

[cloud zephyr]

It's not even a matter of maximizing profit. Ashes is already 4 years past it's original release target window. The endless scope creep of the dev team has to stop at some point

And the constant piling on of additional cosmetic purchases makes that pile of deliverables ever increase. Moving to UE 5 was a mistake. That effort by itself crushed their ability to deliver in a timely manner. they could have delivered the core of the game and improved over time, but this need to deliver a perfect product means the song & dance will never end

[rotund knoll]

The goal was to just "Break Even" for the investors and get out fast to end it.

Super sad transition from UE4 to UE5

[cloud zephyr]

all investors have a maturity time in which they'll offload and move on. No one in the business is ignorant to that. The fact that they took investor money, lied about it, and somehow expected the investors to go against the industry norms

Like if any of us believe that, we're stupid. I don't believe that Steven had bad intentions w/ the game. it's obviously a passion project... But the dishonestly and the "by any means necessary" attitude has ruined this game. Even if he gets it back in his control and continues dev, the reputation damage is insane. I don't think Ashes recovers from this situation

[rotund knoll]

Yeah, I think what would happen is

• expected to pay a certain amount of bank loan
• need to find funding
• has other lawsuits to deal with in the meantime
  It wouldn't be easy, but I also haven't looked for funding of my own business... so I don't know exactly how hard it is to find creditors.

[kind prism]

I disagree that moving to UE5 was a mistake, they were going to restart the game anyway after A1 as literally everything needed redoing from Combat to Nodes to Networking to the Crafting system to Economy, might as well restart on UE5 instead of UE4

[hexed ingot]

then they wouldnt have tried to sneak something past the bank

[rotund knoll]

Yeah, it definitely had better performance options on UE5 in a large scale. Wasn't a mistake just sad... seeing all the nice landscapes and quests that once existed

[cloud zephyr]

If they needed to "restart" after Alpha 1, then they needed to close their doors. You don't fuck up core game design that badly and just white paper again. That's the type of shit that gets investors mad and calling in their loans

[near atlas]

There is potential for defamation of character claim over Dawson video and all the negative social media surrounding that related to Steven personally and AoC. But that is only if the court finds totally in Steven's favour.

[cloud zephyr]

The plain of it is that we were misled from the kickstarter about the lack of investors influencing the development or monetization of the game. You expect AoC to keep it's promises when it broke them before the kickstarter was funded?

[rotund knoll]

Yeah, I brought that up about a week ago.
And then explained it to someone how on top of the baseline for repairs, they could also award up to a maximum 300% on top of that (best scenario)

[cloud zephyr]

I wrote this game off in 2022 when I saw how little real progress was made. I'm not mad that I wasted $140, I'm disappointed in myself for thinking any of this was realistic in a commercial setting

[hexed ingot]

nothing wrong with having hope in a dismal genre

[kind prism]

You think games don't restart after a few years of dev?

Riot restarted their MMO once (twice if you count their first attempt in 2016)
They restarted their Project T shooter 2 or 3 times so far
They've restarted their ARPG once or twice so far
They restarted LoR once
They restarted 2XKO once or twice
They restarted Valorant once

Games get restarted during dev all the time. Ashes reset wasn't a direction reset, it was a "combat is ass, lets try again with new developers"

[rotund knoll]

I didn't waste my $450, I spent it on a hope for it to come to life, knowing it may never come to life. ... I have 626 hours logged on steam...... I could only imagine how many other hours I had before Steam

[near atlas]

If Intrepid gets back full control, as much as we would all like a great MMO to play, IMO, keep development small but very focused, and no marketing until it is a lot lot closer to good to go. Then open for a smaller tester base on one server. Too much damage has been done to undo it by any level of marketing, every crease will be opened wide by the toxic side of the gaming community. Nothing comes back from the dead twice.

[rotund knoll]

In relation to 626... Stitch is my favorite Disney character

[cloud zephyr]

And how many of those projects happened before the company was already printing billions of dollars a year?

[kind prism]

Well LoR started in 2011 which was before League was printing "billions" a year

[cloud zephyr]

small studios don't get to make those kinds of mistakes and live to tell the tale.

[kind prism]

But if you played A1 you'd know how combat desparately neeeded a restart at the very least. A1 combat was abysmal dogshit

[cloud zephyr]

That's not the point

Pepperidge farm remembers FFXIV Alpha/Beta/1.0

If AoC had to go and redesign some elements of the game, sure that's fine. But starting completely over is insane

No one really nails the execution on the first try

[kind prism]

Well, the game really only had a few elements in A1 in the first place, there wasn't much to it.

[hexed ingot]

yeah it wasnt a fully released game like ff14

[kind prism]

And according to an ex-developer, development really only started in 2022 after the UE5 reset, first few years were apparently just R&D basically

I personally don't really think the UE5 reset set them back too much. A1 had hardly anything in it, and what it did have there wasn't much worth keeping

[cloud zephyr]

Great, so they fucked around for 5 years lmao

[hexed ingot]

r&d takes time

[cloud zephyr]

prototyping shit doesn't take 5 years

[hexed ingot]

show me how many r&d projects you've been on

[cloud zephyr]

This isn't building and manufacturing components. This is code. you can prototype concepts in months

[rotund knoll]

I am a little biased here, so feel free to comment. But I preferred the roleplay of classes.
Using a rogue to only be able to reach certain places... using a mage's "arcane eye" to discover unique things.
Tanks being able to absorb tons of damage.
Using a Ranger to scout for danger.

Combat balance didn't matter too much to me. Even during times when I was absolutely destroyed by large guilds, or even 1 person taking down my caravan.

[cloud zephyr]

I work in the data space. I've prototyped full scale shit in days to move hundreds of TB of data

[hexed ingot]

cool; now go do that in a game dev setting

[cloud zephyr]

Why don't you? You, who have zero experience can get into UE (any version) and can put a ball in a basic map and have it doin a thing in hours

[rotund knoll]

You'll have to excuse Leshrac. There's a 50/50 chance you are getting trolled 😂

[cloud zephyr]

Of course I am. Dude ran out of talent a while ago

[hexed ingot]

no one ever truly knows

[cloud zephyr]

it's fine. but as someone who has about 5% of their talent, I know what 5 years of time should get you at a minimum

[elfin aurora]

@kind prism crimson desert looking mid, single-player mmo for consoles

[hexed ingot]

well you cant say for sure what they were doing before then and neither can I but mmos take a long time to make either way

[cloud zephyr]

there's zero doubt that making MMOs is making video games on hard mode, but it's simply inexcusable to say you don't have a working product after 5 years and need to start over

[rotund knoll]

They showed a ton of progress from 2024 through 2025 though. We had a lot of updates, bug fixes, content releases... server downtime.
But weekly updates, sometimes daily updates

[hexed ingot]

how long did diablo 3 take again?

[rotund knoll]

What about GTA6

[hexed ingot]

duke nukem forever

[rotund knoll]

R.I.P. to Chuck Norris today too

[hexed ingot]

first time making any game and its an mmo and you're upset over the 5 years when blizzard couldnt make d3 in under 10

[cloud zephyr]

they weren't making D3 for 10 years

[kind prism]

Riot have a game called Project T in development. They started it in like, 2020 or 2021 from what we know. It originally was an MMOFPS. They reset it in Jan 2024 when they laid off 500 employees from Riot, brought a bunch of new people on, and then started over.

2 weeks ago they just reset it again xdd

Not a new thing for them either. Their ARPG has been in dev since at least 2017. They revealed it in late 2019 on stream, then literally months later fired the team and restarted again lmao

[hexed ingot]

you're right it took them 12 years

[cloud zephyr]

That's like saying ES6 has been in development for 8 years. It hasn't

[rotund knoll]

Hold on.. let's give credit to the legitimate developers who came from other games and areas of media

[cloud zephyr]

Now if you're gonna sit here and say it's okay for ashes to have had a couple of dudes whiteboarding ideas for 3-4 years before anything really came together... And you're not talking about a big studio

[hexed ingot]

with how many systems they had i would

[cloud zephyr]

Now I gotta stop being a hypocrite here. Talkin shit about their lack of productivity and my lunch break is almost over

[rotund knoll]

There was an artist who worked on netflix series. He designed some concepts for the Corruption beasts. And he has some freaking sick assetts in the game.

Same with a woman artist who did a lot of 3d sculpting in the game, she shared some of her work (for ashes) on an art resume page and those were EPIC. Was waiting for those things to come out.

[rotund knoll]

I'll be here all day, enjoy your lunch break and have a good day at work!

[cloud zephyr]

stay safe out there, it's a hot one

[rotund knoll]

[hexed ingot]

what is this hot you speak of

[rotund knoll]

43°F in New York right now

[cloud zephyr]

it's 100F where I live

[plush kestrel]

Why F. Just do C so we know what your talking about

[rotund knoll]

5°C

[plush kestrel]

And KGs as well please fucking weirdos man.

[cloud zephyr]

No one cares about your non freedom units

[plush kestrel]

😂

[cloud zephyr]

we'll be busy trying to convert the math while continuously burning ourselves to the ground, thank you

[rotund knoll]

Miles or Kilometers?
I watch a content creator from UK and he uses Miles per hour

[plush kestrel]

I am British and we do use miles but I can see why KM should be used as it’s a round number 1000m is a km it’s just easier.

[rotund knoll]

Standard units = nice and easy
Imperial units = not nice and easy... affects construction workers the most

Measuring a roof in feet, then converting to yards, then realizing the underlay comes in meters.
Might as well kick myself in the balls and try to take a pop quiz

[plush kestrel]

Yeah imperial is arse for construction I cannot stand it. I’m glad that was before my time.

[plush kestrel]

😂😂😂 bro that done me

[rotund knoll]

😂😂 gotta keep some humor in the chat. Can't all be depressed everyday

[hexed ingot]

excuse me we use objects for measurements. How many football fields is that

[near atlas]

Don't forget hectare's and acre's

[rotund knoll]

This is why we have a "key" item to copy if we need to mass produce... because calculating and making it perfect a 2nd time isn't good enough

[young brook]

For all the freedom unit using people theres this mnemonic
100 C is water boiling at sealevel, but:
30C is hot,
20 is nice,
10C is chilly
and 0 is ice!

[rotund knoll]

Thank you actually

[young brook]

youre welcome 😄

[rotund knoll]

So the rootway of Verra connected all essence to the Embersprings.
My theory is that if we revive the Heartwood Trees and repel the corruption then we may be able to teleport between the Heartwood trees.

Would be really good for foot travel because of the time it takes to cross the map.

[left raft]

in which universe 30°C is HOT. Hot begins at 55

[azure hull]

Probably for someone who lives in particular regions of the world, that's a subjective thing

[young brook]

As a Dutchie having very humid 30C summer days sometimes, i can tell you its hot 😄 I mean, 30-35 is recurring more and more, and i think its not fun anymore after 3-4 days

[left raft]

even your blood is way hoter than 30°C

[near atlas]

High humidity limits the ability to sweat which you need to do to cool down

[left raft]

chose water: it burns at >55°C

[young brook]

also 55C is just 1.7 C under the death valley all time record so hot definitly doesnt start there

[outer estuary]

[tribal shore]

hot begins at 20C. at 30C i cant move and think. perfect room temp is 17C.

[left raft]

17°C room temp is only ok if ure fat

[tribal shore]

or from a northern country

[plush kestrel]

💯

[near atlas]

LOL Gee I lost 20Kg since October in the UK and it has been the coldest dam winter of my life

[left raft]

xD

[plush kestrel]

You’ve just got low test get some TRT you’ll be warm

[left raft]

if u can loose 20kg it tells me anything ^^

[near atlas]

Way inside normal now, but my ass gets numb gaming with a lot less padding these days 😂

[narrow smelt]

Ashesofcreation.com is down, intrepidstudios.com is down, wonder how long the Discord will be up

Wiki down too

[mighty tinsel]

They don’t have to pay for the discord

[kind prism]

Wiki also wasn't Intrepids, it was a fan project

[narrow smelt]

Who is in control of the Discord?

[kind prism]

Steven still. Discord wasn't part of the credential turnover to the third party

[narrow smelt]

👍

Wiki should be up with updates on legal findings.

Imo

[rotund knoll]

Then go update it

[narrow smelt]

How do you update it when it's down?

[rotund knoll]

Oh good, so now you realize how dumb that sounds

[narrow smelt]

Hopefully the person running it sees that

[rotund knoll]

I forget his name. I met him a couple times though. He did a ton of work to stay up to date.

He didn't want to put court stuff in there though. The uncertainty of everything wasn't worth keeping it updated.

I can try to find him

[narrow smelt]

Oh just a plea so I can finish reading it all, yeah selfish of me, and I guess I just miss going there.

[rotund knoll]

I miss going there too. There was good pictures to remind me what it was like.

[narrow smelt]

Indeed, the admin and contributors did a great work

[young brook]

Lex was his name i believe

same as my dad so i remember haha

[rotund knoll]

🔥

OMG, he isn't here anymore 😥

[young brook]

yeah i remember his name being purple, cant find him either

[hardy valley]

I fully understand leaving. All that work, yknow?

[finite estuary]

do people still play?
been wondering what become of aoc

[rotund knoll]

Sorry @narrow smelt 😞 we lost a good one

[kind prism]

Servers are dead so no

[rotund knoll]

Posted my screenshots for people to revisit Verra https://discord.com/channels/256164085366915072/1484680149126615261

[empty pumice]

[rotund knoll]

[shut leaf]

[finite shoal]

@vague leaf

[finite estuary]

oh i thought they kept the servers up for appearance sake, at least

[kind prism]

Well neither TFE (the board) nor Steven are legally allowed to touch anything Ashes related atm. Credentials and login stuff are mostly in the hands of a third party who has basically been told "don't touch anything"

[finite estuary]

youd think that would include not taking down the servers..?

[kind prism]

So eventually the servers started to die due to the lack of restarts and then they actually went down a while ago

[kind prism]

They were degrading due to not being restarted to the point where all the server workers died

[finite estuary]

ohhhh haha
that... is pretty hilarious if not entirely depressing to the folks who've dumped thousands of hours

i hear most players have been heading to old ArchAge
or Quinfall
or back to Classic Wow

this and NW puts mmorpgs in a bad state. its awful

[kind prism]

Ofc Netanyahu would say that

[forest surge]

I don't think NW's closure puts mmos in a bad state, NW was already on its way out regardless

Plus, AGS isn't very smart, so I think there was some expectation that they were gonna fuck up somehow again

AoC's failure as a game was expected by a lot of mmo players, but it still happening sucks regardless

[finite estuary]

name a newly released MMO that's in a "good state" ?

really not trying to be pessimistic, but it seems like the mmorpg genre is having a lot of trouble staying viable

[forest surge]

There isn't one, but that doesn't mean NW contributed to the bad state MMOs are in. MMOs are in a bad state because they're expensive and we've had a string of failed mmos in a long row that were just cash grabs

[finite estuary]

fully agreed
tho id say that NW is one more example of that
it was too expensive and hard to keep it running in a high quality state
so they axed it. even though it was actually seeing a huge spike of players back into the 10-15k concurrent range in the few months prior

the one encouraging thing is seeing lots of "indie/old school" mmos gaining traction
osrc, project gorgon, monsters & memories, ect..

all of us are just looking for that feeling of being 13 and experiencing the glory of our first mmo lol. nostalgia never gets old

taking full advantage of mod-less server, i suppose? good grief

[forest surge]

I think part of the issue with NW being "too expensive" was AGS was already notorious for wasting money on projects. Look at Rings of Power and its budget, and its overall quality compared to, even, LOTR or The Hobbit. Its no contest, and they had an obscenely higher budget. Combine that with awful decision making in NW balancing and game breaking bugs being found quite literally every two weeks, and it was a massive, massive fuckup on AGS' part. NW's initial playerbase success was because MMO gamers are fiending for the next big thing all the time

[minor wagon]

so is it actually dead

[topaz torrent]

Basically exists in purgatory right now

[minor wagon]

dam so its gonna die

[thin fiber]

[maiden timber]

[rotund knoll]

[carmine carbon]

https://tenor.com/view/you-get-a-refund-oprah-refund-gif-14911565

[radiant stream]

ROFL they do a shit job on daoc and allow cheats- Carol and her Croonies, I wouldnt wish that on a up and coming game.

[elfin canopy]

[thin fiber]

[acoustic harness]

[rotund knoll]

@modern lark

These are my friends

[azure hull]

[chilly matrix]

What did steves muscle emoyi mean in news ?

[torn tapir]

Narcistic motivation spike at random time in day, we are all humans. Sometimes we try to convice ourselfs that everything is fine but its not

[lament zephyr]

Ashes of Creation Unlaunched?

[undone phoenix]

Fuking thieves. I hope Karma will fuk you hard soon.

[tidal vector]

It was just a bad dream
Go back to sleep

[mild zodiac]

I miss me mah Ashes. :(

Like, full break up vibes. Can't even rebound fling.. My vag is just dried right up..

[thin fiber]

[empty pumice]

[prime mist]

I think a good amount of people were not pleased with the movement controls in the game. Similar to RDR2. You have to tap A to move around and that gets old when you’re trying to do boss battles, etc.

Kind of bummed me out, I wasn’t trying to get excited for it but once I heard about the movement system I kinda swore it off lol. :(

[faint cosmos]

[eternal delta]

dev stream soon?

[empty pumice]

You have to understand that game journalists are morons. And they are the ones that game devs listen too. The easier a game is, the better the score from journos.

I think we have all seen the amazing skills of journos in the cuphead video.

[prime mist]

Yea IGN is very hit or miss on whether they have the game the time it needs to actually give a well researched review lol. I’d rather take my info from wolfheartFPS.

[torpid burrow]

WE ARE SO BACK (is what I would say if we were actually back)

[opaque marsh]

[ocean sparrow]

So anyone know what happened on that March 9th hearing they had??

[rotund knoll]

The 9th or the 18th

[ocean sparrow]

Oh didn’t know there was anything on 18th. Ok what’s the recap???

[rotund knoll]

#questions message

[ocean sparrow]

Ty

[kind prism]

The 9th hearing was the Nevada case hearing where the Judge ruled that status quo would continue until the California case was decided on things

The 18th was TFE (the board) trying to get Stevens TRO against them dissolved in California. The judge denied it and instead set a hearing for the 2nd April to see whether the TRO will be turned into a Preliminary Injunction (basically making it so TFE can't do anything with Intrepid/Ashes until the case is done)

[rotund knoll]

More waiting 😏

[kind prism]

If the the PI does get issued on April 2nd then TFE will not be happy to say the least

[ocean sparrow]

I wonder how Steven plans to pay all these legal expenses now?

Wonder what the PI will do for the Nevada case?

[kind prism]

If the PI gets granted then the Nevada case is basically frozen until California is completely finished

[ocean sparrow]

This will take years lol

[rotund knoll]

Mama told me that time is our most valuable assett

[hardy valley]

I sat down for 30 minutes, remapped everything, and now the exp is PERFECT.

[rotund knoll]

in court, you don't want to spend a lot of time. More time allowance usually helps the case for the rich people. That's why a lot of court cases for rich people get brushed off unfortunately😑

[hardy valley]

I don't ever really sprint either. I feel like if you're sprinting in that game why are you playing? Taking it all in is intended.

Obviously not in every situation, but you get what I mean.

[prime mist]

👀 can I get a screen shot of the keybinds? 🙏

[hardy valley]

I don't know how I'd rate the game yet though. There's still too much I haven't seen yet. It's realllllly good though

[rotund knoll]

Wait, can you not set it to toggle sprint?

[mighty tinsel]

And if the California case is finished in any manner outside of TFEs full success and win, Nevada will fail anyway

[hardy valley]

I'll see if I can get that for ya when I'm at my PC.

[acoustic harness]

Yes, but if two powerful& rich players face off—literally at max level with +999 stats—that PvP match will come down to skill

[hardy valley]

Crimson uses a toggle system. But nobody has noticed, lol

You tap x or your sprint key twice and hold. But I think you can also change that holding aspect.

[rotund knoll]

I like skill based games.
But i don't like getting stun locked by (looks at rogue) sleep darts

[hardy valley]

This is way better than GTAs sprinting system

I really like how you have so much control over the level of speed you're traveling at. You have to be really intentional about your movement in that game.

[rotund knoll]

Yooo, 2 years until we get The Incredibles 3 movie

[hardy valley]

I've always hated games with a gait system for horses that works too quick. It ruins everything

Anyway, this is like my ideal souls game but actually playable because the combat isn't hardcore 🤣

[rotund knoll]

This ia actually cool to have layers of speed

[hardy valley]

The movement definitely isn't for everyone. It could use a bit of tweaking, like sometimes when you execute a movement like force palm it doesn't hit where you expect, but overall I think it's been super successful and I really like it.

I trot around everywhere and take about a million screenshots before I get to my next quest 🤣

[hardy valley]

To build off this though, they have the option for some abilities to hold and aim it first. So you can instant cast or precision cast where you want.

[rotund knoll]

Clerics all across Verra are interested in this

[muted glade]

is the forum down?

[pulsar arrow]

Hi Steve, how are you? Are you generally happy with the audience? @vague leaf

[prime mist]

https://tenor.com/view/football-gif-4172948037462694277

[balmy owl]

thanks

[kind prism]

Ashes made it into a Papa Meat vid xdd https://youtu.be/24v4FSx1QDA?t=1203

[jolly raptor]

who

[kind prism]

YouTuber, most known for his cartoon vids on his Meatcanyon channel but doesn't do that as much anymore.

[jolly raptor]

"ash of creation" oof yeah

[whole abyss]

d

[pastel solstice]

bring back the stargate channel

[torpid vigil]

whens alpha 3 comin out

[empty pumice]

[loud prism]

[past valley]

Any updated news that is worth it?

[abstract lake]

[red dome]

any updates on the march 18th case verdict?

[leaden heath]

💪

[sweet lynx]

no, the game is dead and will remain dead

[tidal vector]

But Ashes is a PvP focused MMO, so we are entitled to beat the dead horse

[sage portal]

I ate a rock

[high hull]

[thin fiber]

[unreal shard]

alpha 3 soon

[mystic quiver]

so the game is back on?

[indigo shoal]

[rotund dirge]

Ashes of Creation 2 when?

[thin fiber]

2

[elfin aurora]

You made it from start to end
Grats

[topaz torrent]

Launch a lobby game to help get back towards the dream

[thorny marsh]

whens the next update?

[grim stream]

I’m making a new game cashes of reation

Head over to my kickstart campaign let’s roll guys

I guarantee it will launch in less than 20 years or I’ll apologize sincerely

[warped marlin]

🤡

[thin fiber]

[severe berry]

[acoustic harness]

[elfin canopy]

[somber cove]

[subtle bough]

Server check still alive??

[umbral tree]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1452723967826591926/1477968351127933000/image0.gif

[empty pumice]

[autumn arrow]

secondary archtype in 9 days

[ebon comet]

[paper cargo]

Is the game getting picked up by a new owners or something?

[broken junco]

So far they're in the middle of legal proceedings regarding the ownership of the IP

[paper cargo]

Ah, Ty

[broken junco]

[maiden timber]

[pine vale]

[empty pumice]

[rotund knoll]

[violet wasp]

It's dead, Jim.

[thin fiber]

[ocean oriole]

MAGA! Steven make ashes great again please.... 😭😭😭

[spring bolt]

Hope the servers come back soon

Really miss playing even if servers were ass

[torpid hare]

do we have archetypes yet?

[kind prism]

We had archetypes since the start

[thorny marsh]

is server reboot soon ?

[rotund knoll]

[thin fiber]

[maiden timber]

[azure hull]

[limber hornet]

[nocturne solar]

Quite funny that I managed to get a chargeback from the bank even though I bought in december 2024, didnt think there was any chance this could come through but it did.

You guys should try it if you bought through kickstarter/website etc.. might get your money back

[tall bridge]

it is what it is at this point

[elfin canopy]

[balmy pine]

[unkempt current]

This is all part of the alpha testing. We testing politics.

[empty pumice]

[thin fiber]

[vague leaf]

[marble jewel]

[rotund knoll]

[keen ridge]

https://tenor.com/view/stressed-stressed-out-it-is-what-it-is-meme-gif-1807874383562258451

[desert hinge]

[green fiber]

Is ashes back???

[wide apex]

https://tenor.com/view/no-randy-jackson-dawg-gif-12730917

[thin fiber]

If Ashes is in your heart, it never left.

Don't you throw logic at me Curls

[rotund knoll]

I just need to find out how to host a local server.

Made it past the launcher.

I just started looking at the ashes files that are included with the downloads.

I think i can set up a ".ini" file to make it recognize a host.
But i'm not sure if it will check for assetts and shaders and all that, or how the servers will behave if I do manage to get them to connect with a host.

...
I did discover that we can edit the Ashes "Cursor" to be our own image though

[thin fiber]

That's a whole lotta "above my paygrade" chat 🙂 I'm just a lowly wanna-be Principal Economy Designer

[normal quail]

i have 400$ for you Steve , i believe in youuuu !!!!

[green fiber]

I’d pay to host it

Like if you sold that I’d pay for it

[rotund knoll]

Shadow Hokage also says hello!
He can't get in here because he doesn't have Alpha 2 permissions, but he said @thin fiber was a great mayor.

They suggested a guild with you and I both as mayors.
I explained to him the backstory of me and Squalls End and that our companionship would probably be an alliance between guilds rather than in the same guild.

Because of the heavy Roleplay aspect of the game

[rotund knoll]

I'm unsure that it is even possible.
But I want to get back in there 😆

[spring bolt]

Yeah, same, I miss the game

[thin fiber]

CURLS FOR SQUALL END MAYOR!
HYPER BEACH PARTY EXTRAVAGANZA!

[rotund knoll]

• Beach Parties (Pants are optional)
• Caravan Drag Races
• Ship Races
• Safe Haven for corrupted players
• Most Freehold availability (11 unique locations)
• Daily Free Supplies (1 potion and 1 scroll of your choice)
• AFK travel options

Ready to go as soon as the village appears!

[thin fiber]

That's a hell of a sale's pitch 🙂 You had me at Beach Parties!

[rotund knoll]

I gotta get back to my research and see if I can get any development going.

The playtest has half the content that the game has as far as size (280GB vs 140GB)

If anything comes from this... well I am sure news will spread fast

...
From what I've been able to find. It's not likely that I can host a server sadly because of all the backend authentication requirements anyway.

So if I can view anything that does come from Steam (assetts, UI, models, etc.) that looks interesting, that's probably all that will happen

[dry mountain]

that anybody still dares to use maga these days. havnt you realized how big of a shitshow everything has become in the states since you maga guys voted for braindead billionair feeders with a child abuse problem??? The rest of the educated world looks at you guys in pure disbelieve. Looking at you americans who still support that orange makes us question whether our society is able to survive the next 200 years.

[hardy valley]

I think the joke flew over your head, really, really high.

[cobalt juniper]

And your opinon means what exactly...nothing

[dry mountain]

man its the internet.. I started to take people serious because its scary how often they mean the dumb shit they say^^

[hardy valley]

Agreed, man. No hard feelings, just crazy how agro people are these days regardless of what's goin on.

I don't really talk to, associate, or surround myself with people who are politically-minded or otherwise driven. They tend to be extreme, and weirdly enough it hasn't lost its shock factor? I don't know how else to say it. Things weren't so charged when I was little.

[hasty abyss]

We're the kids in America ohwoahwoh

[dry mountain]

I mean, that topic really is a trigger point, because it perfectly summarizes all the social injustice and the fear about the future. We are currently struggling heavily with the decision whether its responsible to bring new life into this world, mainly because of this.. Watching the dystopian levels of AI-Warfare and mass surveillance that the billionaires shove down our throat, it feels like we are the intro into a dark mirror episode.

[hasty abyss]

Hell yeah

[hardy valley]

It's a matter of course we were always headed towards.

I don't want to live underneath a self-imposed cloud of doom, not that you are. But who wants to think about bad things all the time, lol

[dry mountain]

In Europe they started to press those anti-human standards with a 30 years delay compared to the US.. It's a lot easier to recognize the subtle changes they try to implement here, to bring us on an equal level of deeply brainwashed work-slaves, when you simultaneously see the outcome in another country. Some economics expert said, that the inequality is already worse than back then before the french revolution, when they just killed all those leeching aristocrats, but these days we dont get mad enough because they know how to brain wash us to instead focus on immigrants, or whatever group that is targetable.

[dry mountain]

I mean, its probably the healthier mindset for the present life quality. But I sometimes think, that when too many people just shut off and look away, those who want to see our world burn, have it way too easy. And once they layed all the fires, its too late to react.

[thin fiber]

[lean galleon]

I want Ashes of Creation back 😭😭😭😭😭

[elfin canopy]

[cyan socket]

@vague leaf please hurry up and win your court case so I can come back to play. Thanks

[acoustic harness]

FROM THE ASHES : NEW CREATION WILL BE BORN! FTA:NCWBB ( listening phoenix sound )

[kind prism]

I can't personally imagine a universe where Ashes comes back. If Steven somehow won absolutely everything back somehow, he'd still need hundreds of millions to complete it.

On the other hand, if TFE win, it'd likely be destroyed by them selling to the highest bidder who don't care about the game and its vision

[vague leaf]

Patience is bitter my friend. But its fruit is sweet. There will be maximum accountability. But justice takes time. Don’t lose hope. We are making progress.

[thin fiber]

[acoustic harness]

[vague leaf]

[hasty abyss]

Fire! STEVEN!

Omg ffs I'm so excited now

[elfin owl]

We shall see, Steven.

[spice hawk]

Is there any news?

[gleaming tulip]

Ill have to make peace with i never even got to see the concept art for the Sunscorch Raiment.

[maiden timber]

[rare sorrel]

that is a lot of burning birds

[languid fossil]

what ever gets us playing again.... ik thats a lot of hope and copium but Ashes changed my whole perspective on MMOs and im down bad for that gameplay again

[thin fiber]

[hardy valley]

This is why you don't backlog read, because then you read things like this and the cope starts strangling you.

I miss Ashes 🥲

Why isn't there another game with professions this good, and if there is why haven't I found it yet damn it

[glass salmon]

[keen ridge]

https://tenor.com/view/tony-soprano-sopranos-bed-bored-gif-22793869

[woeful jolt]

how come i cant connect into the game??

[pulsar cloud]

maybe because the game died 2 months ago

[rotund knoll]

What professions were you doing!?

I did woodcut, mining, stonework, Metalworking, lumbermill

Alt character did Hunting, Fishing, farming, cooking

[somber cove]

Idk how anyone can say the professions were good

[hardy valley]

Mining, metalworking, fishing, herbalism, weaving, tailoring, armorsmithing were all spread across two characters, and my bf did jewelcrafting, weaponsmithing, metalworking, mining, lumbermilling, lumbering, stoneworking, and probably other stuff across his characters.

We pretty much touched on every profession possible, save for maybe cooking.

[rotund knoll]

Armorsmithing, Weaponsmithing, arcane engineering... were a ton of work! I worked on them before the crafting updates when it was manageable for 1 person.

Then the updates came

[open ice]

I mean, Even if they somehow win the damage has been done. People are going to be incredibly hesistant to ever support ashes again.

[lean tusk]

when is the next siege ?

[rigid escarp]

wtb resplendent regrade scrolls pmo

[hardy valley]

Dude, we both JM'd mining because of the metalworking resource demand

It was BAD

[languid fossil]

Professions were fine.. the resource requirement was another story tho

[tidal vector]

Crafting was decent, but completely useless because too many folks were cheating and exploiting. The entire alpha 2 was a complete waste of time because they didn't care enough to put an end to that shit

The first official ban list didn't even come out until about a month before this game tanked

[plain adder]

[slow fable]

[upbeat token]

i believe you father

[obtuse hull]

Good luck man, hope justice gets served

[river pebble]

[hardy valley]

Honestly, I can see how a lot of people could dislike them. They weren't mechanically complex, nor was there any cool wow animation, but idk it just felt nice being out in the world, experiencing it. I've also just always enjoyed hitting rocks for hours, so..

It's kind of like an easy sort of mindless fun. Until you start crafting..

[broken junco]

And yet pretty much every other MMO is less mechanically complex >.>

What I liked is how the skill usage would shake up immediately when shit hits the fan, or something unexpected happened. Other MMO's feels a bit like "keep doing the same thing, but also pray while you do it"

[hardy valley]

I liked the overall rarity that the system would've ended up pushing if we got to GM. The fact that not everyone could GM made it actually mean something if you grinded hard for something.

[hardy valley]

Holy, yes. Thank you. I hate those boring guided experiences in most MMOs today where you can already see the end from a mile away and just have to accept that... Lack of punishment.

This game fixed my inability to follow a beaten path by sheer amounts of death caused by lvl 16 minos 🤣

Point being, I like when a game forces you to play a certain way in order to adapt to something that's happened, and with as little guiding information as possible. I genuinely don't get how people can enjoy an entirely led experience.

[broken junco]

I poked my head into a few other MMO's since Ashes fell and every one has the same problem - it doesn't matter much what skills you use, mobs aren't dangerous, the world isn't dangerous, and it all promotes you to stop caring.

[hardy valley]

The creative power to choose whether or not you do something, even if it's at your detriment if you choose not to, is my FAVORITE rare feature in MMOS. Probably because it's so much easier to outline why your game is fun if you can list things rather than, lol just do something idk

[hardy valley]

The world's aren't dangerous, and the items we possess aren't in danger of being taken.

Let me be clear, I didn't PVP in Ashes. I just didn't have time with how much time I was spending doing profs, and I wasn't playing in a guild, but there was never a single time in which I got upset over dying and losing my shit die to big guilds or juiced up players because it's a necessary and fun part of the experience, most people just don't realize it.

[broken junco]

I don't particularly like mechanics where my gear is being taken, but the material drop and stealing was great.

I very much enjoyed that the world was simply dangerous from a PvE perspective as well as PvP

[hardy valley]

I like the idea that mass killing non flagged folk would cause you to drop your gear. Otherwise it could probably use some room for improvement. I never really got that far though

It makes me wonder whether other people who joined during Steam felt like I did. Which was that there was so much to do in so little unknowable time.

[broken junco]

The corruption system did not work as intended, that's for sure. Let's just leave it at that >.<

If the game ever gets back on track, it will be one of the first things that needs a hard look at.

[hardy valley]

Probably. I'm not disagreeing, just don't know, lol.

[red dome]

hey @vague leaf if u dont mind sharing, what was the march 18th ruling? did u win the argument?

[broken junco]

Didn't someone make a summary of it?

Found it: #questions message

[red dome]

ohhhhh thanks, didnt think to look in questions for a summary!

[raw night]

Ashes reputation is completely ruined. Even if it comes back, it will never recover lol.
But I’m pretty sure some fanboys are ready to buy another Founders Pack 👍

[river pebble]

I'd still play test but wouldn't buy anything more until release was set in stone

[sacred ibex]

Ppl will forget about this shit the second the game is up and running again with proper major updates 😂 that's all gamers care about and especially those that have been waiting for a new MMO

[cyan socket]

I don't think it's ruined. I think about 15% of the players have big mouths and just live to talk trash and stir shit up. Anything to hurt someone else and make themselves feel better.

I don't know the whole story, only what a few people are dictating to me. The only people who truly know the whole story is Steven and the others named. I'm not holding my breath on anything, but I think a guy, with no background in developing a game from scratch, to be able to get as far as he did was incredible. I hear a lot of people talking about what they would have done, but no one doing it.

Might be a good idea for everyone to take a beat and, if you care, wait to see how things unfold before blatantly passing judgement.

As for me, I enjoyed what there was of the game to play. Could it have been more? Sure. I haven't given up hope completely that a day will come when we see more. The man believed in this project, and in my opinion he poured his heart into it. In my book, that isn't a person that will just just give up (not that I'd blame him if he did...I sure as hell couldn't go through all that shit-talk on a daily basis)

Anyways, I'm playing other things and having fun, but if this game does come back, I will absolutely give it another chance and play it. Copium/Hopium/Whateverium

[agile crystal]

Uh... i dont think the game will survive... there is no dev team, and i dont think there will be... and even if, there is a low support base, willing to play after what happened

[last agate]

Dawson x Steven (with Jason in a chair) fanfic when

The funding will be turned back on after that

[ocean oriole]

when next dev update on youtube?

[proper raft]

in courts

[broken junco]

Ashes absolutely ruined every other MMO for me. I can't play them anymore, I don't enjoy them anymore.

I don't know what they mixed in the gameplay sauce but I'm there if they start cooking again.

[thin fiber]

[runic forge]

If Steven gets company back, I will be playing

[wanton crag]

[empty pumice]

I had the same issue after i played wow vanilla. But ashes of creation showed me a new path. Now everything is just bland again.

[empty pumice]

The people that left, were already idiots that didnt believe in the project. No one is going to mis them, a new hardcore group will rise and move it forward.

[young nexus]

Same

I’ll 100% dive back in if given the chance

[empty pumice]

Since when does reputation matter? Microsoft? EA? Activision ? please tell me that so good reputation there ?

Even blizzard with all the controversies there ... wow is still the biggest mmorpg.

[kind prism]

Honest answer is "gamers" don't care about reputation, if they did then dozens of gaming companies would be dead, but they're not and they continue to release games that sell millions of copies.

Hell, Blizzard were sued by the State of California for literally sexually harrassing/assaulting employees and causing at least one of their employees to kill themselves. Bobby Kotick the at the time CEO also threatened to have his assistant assassinated, yet millions still played WoW and Overwatch and Diablo

If a company makes a good game, people will play it

[rotund knoll]

[empty pumice]

[agile crystal]

Many of my friends left... they supported the game from 2020... but when the company collapsed - they left too

[empty pumice]

Alright, not sure what you try to say with that but, cool ?

[agile crystal]

The problem - is the reputation around the game

Yes, the game is good, but it need a good online, for that big map

[empty pumice]

Yea and if it goes back online, they will be back. Not sure what reputation has to do with it ?

[acoustic harness]

The problem isn't how MMORPG communities view the reputation of an MMORPG currently in development; the problem arises when the largest MMORPG communities (such as those for WoW or FFXIV) step in to pressure smaller communities into thinking like them.

We’ve already experienced this with Ashes; literally, the last six months of Ashes were marked by constant pressure from the WoW community to make Ashes incorporate more elements similar to WoW’s PvE. When their demands were met with widespread resistance, they began bombarding the developers—far more intensely than usual—to push Ashes toward their vision of WoW.

There is a monopoly held by large gaming communities: if they see that an MMORPG in development doesn't fit the type of games they usually play, they consider that MMORPG to be poorly designed or to have no future

When an MMORPG in development isn't popular, the developers can freely decide how to build it, but oh my goodness, once that MMORPG gains traction and popularity, that's when the trouble starts—a wave of massive MMORPG communities starts bombarding them with complaints like, “Why doesn't it look like my favorite MMORPG?” or “Why doesn't it have systems or designs similar to my favorite MMORPG?” A lot of people don’t realize it, but right now there’s a huge monopoly—and even extortion—by the big communities.

[empty pumice]

That is very true, but these people have already left again, which is a good thing. We can go back to how it was. But i do understand from the developers view. They want the most amount of people in the game.
So this is is the silverlining to this whole debacle, it cleansed the crazy wow fanatics.

You also have to understand that the game design is stil there and it will still take a long time to implement everything. So priorities do change, something it is more pve focused and other times it is more pvp focused. This game is one of the biggest undertakings in a long time.

[long patrol]

alright @vague leaf you can come back, apparently you haven't hit the ceiling yet

[empty pumice]

[vague leaf]

[empty pumice]

Keep at it man, we are all waiting for ashes to come back.

[languid heart]

Make it so!

[thin fiber]

[empty pumice]

Holy shit, vaknar is online.

[scenic ivy]

so guys what are you playing now ?

[thin fiber]

The Waiting game

[proper schooner]

[empty pumice]

Nothing, everything is just so boring, decided to make my own game engine from scratch with vulkan and creating my own game.

[scenic ivy]

so sad 🙁

[empty pumice]

I do enjoy Aska, or minecraft with the create mod and if i really feel like it, no rest for the wicked.

[hardy valley]

You too? Started learning how to mess around with blender because of this game, nothing I play is quite the same 🤣

[scenic ivy]

any news ?

[hardy valley]

Even I'm not completely sure why this game has me in such a chokehold. All I know is I miss bard 🥲

[empty pumice]

Ow dont you dare ! bard is my class ! I have dips !

[hardy valley]

I fear that you don't understand how addicted I am to this game and that class 🤣

I'm so thankful there's no metric to measure how much MORE I played once I switched off Summoner to Bard.

[empty pumice]

i know the feeling 🤣

[hardy valley]

There were multiple nights in which I was eating dinner well into 1-2 AM 🤣

[empty pumice]

haha, doesnt suprise me. Its a good game. Glad to hear there are more fanatic bards out there.

[hardy valley]

I didn't even get to PVP

I didn't even get to seek revenge on the two people who ganked me early on 😭

[empty pumice]

I dont think its a chokehold though, it is the feeling of being powerless. You want the game to continue. So the only way you feel like doing blender is teaching yourself stuff so you can help continue the development of the game.

[hardy valley]

I think when this thing completely blew up I was really into the legal side of things and incredibly invested in how they proceeded, and to say I'm not still would be a lie. But now, I'm just kind of sad and frustrated with the situation and the state of gaming. If I had never played this game, I would've never noticed how DRY the pool was getting.

This game needed a lot more time before it ever saw a big release like this, and if it had, then maybe things would've turned out differently. I think my sadness comes specifically from the fact that I felt like a nostalgic kid playing that ONE game again.

Those sorts of games are real rare now, I think we can all agree on that, lol.

[empty pumice]

Its been getting dry for a very long time. The moment you realise, you start noticing that all games are just the same. No innovation, just more iteration of the same thing.

I have actually been playing more very niche small games because they actually bring unique things to the table that makes it fresh.

Stacklands, clickiland and aska.

And then when you start comparing with the past games, you actually see deterioration.
look for the youtube video of Oblivion vs Avowed. A game that is 15 years older is actually better 🤣

[gusty gate]

[acoustic harness]

[strange talon]

[empty pumice]

[autumn arrow]

[outer dirge]

:flamingphoenix:

[hearty patrol]

[wanton crag]

[scenic ivy]

[thin fiber]

[polar wasp]

Hypothetically @vague leaf if all court cases were to be resolved in your favor, even if in the most minimal victories as possible, what is the plan going forward to raise funds and get development back on track? I know that'd be months to years from now, but let's say it happened today, what's your next move?

[empty pumice]

As far as we know, there were funds to last them until september and the steam money hasnt been dropped yet. But what happened to all the finances is now a big question. There is a good chance that if he wins, there might be a monetary value included in the win.

[analog thicket]

I can only assume you aren't a kickstarter backer because... I would say there's a good portion of people who think they already contributed towards the development of the game. Myself included 🥲

When you see lawsuits of so many people who squander consumer money, the question should not be how to keep this going. It should be how to make this never happen again lol.

[narrow oracle]

I've been following the game for a looong time. First time hopping into the discord. Pleasantly surprised to see people still talking in here. This team did do some custom development in UE5 to get things to work in an MMO framework. UE5 doesn't really DO massively multiplayer so what they accomplished was quite impressive. Could they package and license out that framework to limp along? I hate to see things just collapse like this.

[jovial hawk]

It's being handled by the courts right now. We're unsure how it's going to turn out.

[maiden timber]

[silver flower]

57 03/23/2026MINUTE ORDER OF RECUSAL. Magistrate Judge Jill L. Burkhardt is no longer assigned. Case reassigned to Magistrate Judge Michelle M. Pettit for all further proceedings. Pending hearings previously set before the original Judge have been transferred to the newly assigned Judge. The new case number is 26cv0965-LL-MMP.(no document attached)

This good or bad for you

[hazy pine]

I agree with the post above. The chances of Ashes coming back in the form we wanted are basically approaching zero. But the aftertaste is still there — kind of like after reading The Kingkiller Chronicle. It’s an amazing series, after which other books just don’t hit the same. But that son of a bitch Rothfuss will probably never finish the third book.

And it’s the same here — we got a taste, ran around in it, the game felt like it was going to be incredible, and even at the beta stage it outclassed almost everything available now. But it is what it is… really a shame.

[forest surge]

"even at the beta stage it outclassed almost everything available now" lol what. no. Firstly, AoC wasn't even in beta, still in alpha. Secondly, the game's population wasn't crazy, and there were numerous issues with item dupes, botting, broken content, and poor balancing. AoC had potential, and I do think it was gonna be big on launch, but lets not pretend it was this mythic thing, because it wasn't, whether you'd like to add a "yet" to that or not.

[exotic fractal]

Getting devs to work on it would be easy in the current environment where devs are being laid off right and left by better gaming companies. I suspect players would come back due to already having paid for it.

[forest surge]

Just because devs are getting laid off left and right doesn't mean they're quality people to hire in the first place, and there's also the fact of the matter of paying them

[exotic fractal]

It is the best alpha I've been in, and perhaps better than the worst beta tests I've been in.

[hazy pine]

I’m not trying to put any medals on it… But the way the world felt, the combat, the classes… the game felt cohesive, and it was genuinely fun to spend time in.

I completely agree — tons of bugs, it was an alpha… no point even talking about balance, we didn’t even get to real classes yet. We only got a taste of archetypes.

BUT MY TAKE is that this kind of world, this kind of gameplay, and this kind of journey — no other “modern” released game has given me that feeling personally. Everywhere else it’s casual, seasonal theme-park stuff.

Ashes felt like Ashes — not trying to please everyone, but following its own path from day one. Slowly, with mistakes…

[rotund knoll]

I think in this case, the judge handed the case to the other judge.
I would guess the "new" judge has more experience and background in the world of cybersecurity and online business.

The new judge may also be able to respond faster to the appeals that both sides are dealing with.

It can be good or bad. I'll compare the judges and come back with a better answer.

[silver flower]

🙏

[rotund knoll]

With the military background and cybersecurity.
I think it's good. She will be able to identify what is a breach of data and knows more legal terms relating to it.
She also has a "no nonsense" approach definitely comes with her military background.
But... take this with a grain of salt... less time in the courtroom means less familiar with the system they use, but she's been there over 2 years (I hope she is familiar by now)

Really depends on which side provides more evidence with her as the judge, and seeing how TFE Games already got caught with the naughty Article 9 forclosure...
It still seems to be in Steven's favor

[eager agate]

Hell yeah going to have to give this a shot.

[eager agate]

meh the combat was kinda lame, still pressing 1-10, 30 years after the first was zzzzzzzz and put me to sleep more time then i'd like to admit. Combat felt very lacking.

[near cedar]

I wish the Moderators would just remove everyone that claims they got a refund. You wanted a refund therefore you have no reason to be here just go the hell away

[eager agate]

Hey i haven't got mine yet, chill. lol

[steep grove]

Why not remove everyone that scammed us? Boy shut yo ass up

[exotic fractal]

Excellent. I haven't spent enough to be bothered asking for a refund (yet). I have the patience to wait for the courtfights to play out. But if you sank enough dollars, or won't come back, grats on the refund.

[near cedar]

i dont know who you think you are calling boy. It is advised you continue to hide behinds your damn keyboard you little Bitch.

[exotic fractal]

🍿

[steep grove]

I have my face shown in my profile pic.. U funny

[rotund knoll]

[steep grove]

[elfin owl]

Y’all should just take this fight to the Jundark or the Tropics

[kind prism]

I wanted to see the Redwood Forest

[maiden timber]

just like the riverland but with red looking trees :xdd:

[past rain]

Are the servers still up? This is really rather bizarre.

[eager agate]

Anyone else enjoying crimson desert while we wait for the results of the trial?

[trail skiff]

[odd cairn]

[kind prism]

I don't think CD will keep you occupied for the length of this trial lmao

Probably gonna be ages before everything is "sorted" one way or the other

[topaz torrent]

I've taken up severe depression as a main hobby, seems to be doing a pretty good job filling the void and time

[acoustic harness]

Remember this: life is a cycle—something dies, something is born; that is the very nature of life. What sets us “humans” apart from other animal species is that we have the ability to create and destroy, but we also have the power of "choice" . So, if something is dead, do you really want to recreate it? Or perhaps, as our humanity compels us, that which is dead could give rise to something better.

From the ashes, a new creation will be born

[serene knoll]

what in chatgpt

[bright goblet]

Funny how people get mad cuz someone use chat gpt like let’s people do what they want

[acoustic harness]

Yeah, but the funny thing is, I don't use that

I've never needed it when I'm feeling inspired

[eager agate]

Maybe, i'm 30+ hours in, day 38 and still in the starter region having a blast. Haven't thought about getting scammed once while playing so it def helps.

[eager agate]

Was there even a town that made it up to journeymen status? I thought the game went under pretty quickly after fresh start.

[south lion]

no no no

[glass salmon]

[south lion]

Are servers still up?

[severe hound]

Nope 🙁

[maiden timber]

[hasty abyss]

Creed has been doing the quinfall for the most part. It's fun enough. It's not ashes

[rotund knoll]

[rotund knoll]

Miss you 🧡 and the rest of the CREED gang.. they get honorable mentions.
Can't wait for Ashes to come back so we can make Global Chat interesting again 😆

[silent oak]

How much you think it would cost to buy the ip?

[kind prism]

Well there's apparently a buyer lined up already but TFE can't sell it because of the TRO in place and there's a hearing on the 2nd April to get the TRO turned into a PI so it will basically be unsellable for the remainder of the trial

Riot (allegedly) attempted to buy Intrepid in late 22/early 23 for "hundreds of millions", so yeah

[hexed ingot]

Probably the same buyer they were talking about preforeclosure

[tidal vector]

Im sure RIOT will accomplish even less with Ashes then they did with Hytale

[gray stone]

Hytale is such a good game. Their update cadence is just superior to Minecraft at this point.

AS for Riot.. I'm not too sure about them, really, as they're tightening their wallets afaik

[scenic wagon]

I'm staying becouse I still wanna see if the development is gonna continue after the trial. If this game comes out in the future I might grab it again. In the meantime, this channel offers a lot of entertainment and sometimes people are asking for help on how to get a refund so I answer them 🙂

[gray stone]

Huh.. looking at that guy's post, there's no reason for us to do that. They hadn't done anything wrong, and simply are happy they got their refunds. If you wanna stick around and wait or see if anything changes, you can. If you wanna head out, you can. That's up to you

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[jolly raptor]

nah this is the alpha channle, this is for the ppl who spend their hard stolen earned cash on this, everyone who refunded should go back to the lower tier channels like #general-discussion

[sage cobalt]

Damn I didn't get my money by hard work. Is this channel still for me?

[tidal vector]

https://giphy.com/gifs/gPTTdOsD3lEQw

Oh no, I forgot this channel doesn't allow fun

[empty pumice]

[empty pumice]

Best thing is to just block them problem solved

[bright goblet]

I hope the game reopens and that the people at Make Refunds can't buy it again xDDD. We all know that both parties want to keep the game to relaunch it themselves and when it happens they don't sell beta or alpha or pre-release so those who refund don't play until release

They are angry about 25 dollars when I and other people pay 250 also there people who paid 500 and the only ones I see crying for refund are those who pay 25 dollars lol

[bright goblet]

Own opinion was one of the best MMOs and not only do I say it, the numbers say it, it was one, even in pre alpha, one of the most played MMOs and you act as if 10 years is a long time to make an MMO when there are many more than 60% of MMOs that took up to 15 in development. Anyway, it's my own opinion and that's what I hope, those who refund can't play it, so I don't understand what you mean by saying the same thing I said but with different words. explain yourself better

World of Warcraft 14 Years. Final Fantasy XIV 11 Years. Star Citizen 13 years Guild Wars 2 10 years Black Desert Online 12 years

So ill dont get people saying ashes have 10 years in develop when almost all the mmo take more than 10 years

ashes have 2 month in the top 15 in steam

it's what a child would say but I don't understand why you keep writing lol

and you said fanboy, People who use that worl here they buy ashes for 100 Dollar, were you one of those?

Yeah im writting fast dont see ill say 2

Actually new word 25k buy ashes 130k buy in pre alfa

Not release 2 different thinks u get it? xDD

Hahahahahahaha

ill was playing new world in alfa and yes at this time ADM was asking to inv friend for test stuff cuz they dont have enoug people

And money u compare amazon money vs some ramdon guy money lol

New world had a giant company behind it and 400 people developing the game, it did not lack money and even so it had 6 official years and 2 unofficial years with a total of 8 years in development

[empty pumice]

Just block trolls, don't bother with them.

[bright goblet]

Yeah ill not ever going to talk lol tired of kids like this ryu

Ill can speak 3 lenguues at least more than u lol

Im speaking english cuz is the only one u know

[empty pumice]

They don't have anything better to do with their lives, they are very miserable sad existences of human waste.

[bright goblet]

Yeah ill miss my rogue

🙁

[empty pumice]

Well, the fight is still going on so the only thing we can do is put our faith in Steven.

[bright goblet]

Yeah to be honest hope he won and not the other guy

[empty pumice]

[bright goblet]

What class u play?

[empty pumice]

Bard, it was finally for once a decent bard.

[bright goblet]

lol ill try bard but too many abilities

It was difficult so ill just get with my rogue

[empty pumice]

That is ok, rogues are also needed.

[bright goblet]

Yeah

[empty pumice]

Anyway, don't bother with trolls, just let them screech in the void where they belong.

[bright goblet]

Yeah ill going to do that thx! have good day!!!

[empty pumice]

Same to you.

[bright goblet]

thx

[fervent raft]

As this channel was set up only for those with access to test, I agree if people refunded, they should lose access. 😉

[fervent raft]

The Ryu person wasn’t even comparing apples to oranges; they were comparing German shepherds to Ford mustangs.

New World was released as a game with full access to play the game with no subscription.

AoC released on Steam as early access to alpha 2 testing. People were not purchasing the game but access to the alpha 2 test that granted 1 mo of play time at launch of the actual game and many people were publicly saying they were waiting for the actual launch of the game to purchase.

As far as the person stating that AoC numbers dropped hard within a month, I am guessing they were new to gaming?

Not only is it extremely common to see numbers drop a month after launch of anything, it is expected.

If Ryu wanted to see unusual real number drops, they should have looked at the game they cited, New World. In fact, MMORPG wrote an article mentioning that although it is not uncommon for games to have a ‘steep drop’ after launch, the excessive New World drop that began immediately after launch was a different story. The article is titled: “New World Daily Active Players Down More Than 90% on Steam from Record High in September”

[azure hull]

seems Ryu got Snapped out of existence

[rare garden]

But uh...new world is also a dead game, literally it's a closed studio

[eager swift]

Ashes of Cremation

Or Ashes of Scammeshion

[jolly raptor]

im a rogue i don't judge, wait i do but i steal your money

[umbral tree]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1452723967826591926/1477968351127933000/image0.gif

[covert shore]

Steven is no longer silent. Said he will be back to revive the game. -IGN article just released

[kind prism]

I heard he got offered a position as CEO of Blizzard and took it

[covert shore]

He’s touching himself. He just confirmed he’s gonna crank his own hog

[empty pumice]

... but you are still here ?

Ok let me rephrase this for you little looney toon. If it is so bad, why are you stil here ?

still not an answer to my question

[sage cobalt]

It's in a pretty good state for a kickstarter MMO tbh

[empty pumice]

yea, you can forget about it. money is byebye

of course it is bad ? who said it wasnt ?

[hushed yacht]

do you have a link to this?

[empty birch]

Did you just pat yourself on the back for an argument you think you won, but in reality you still failed to answer?

Mkay, that explains a lot basically

[jolly raptor]

bruvkeks is making fun of ppl working at walmart but needs to stay here to recoup an "investment" he made 10 years ago

[spice hawk]

[faint cosmos]

[wooden cave]

[elfin canopy]

[maiden timber]

[terse moon]

Yo

[jolly raptor]

lo

[empty pumice]

[azure hull]

[topaz torrent]

[umbral tree]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1452723967826591926/1477968351127933000/image0.gif

[glossy niche]

[vale musk]

Link please?

[fluid urchin]

Can someone explain what is Steven's dream scenario here? Assuming he wins the lawsuit that says the foreclosure was illegal and the assets stay under Intrepid. Even if Steven somehow wins his own lawsuit 100%, won't he still be blocked from development since he only owns 5% of Intrepid, even if he had devs willing to continue the work? (this is already a ton of dream-scenario if's)
I want to root for him, but I don't even see how he could even come out of this and continue development.

[slow moat]

I think he has ulterior motives because even if he wins, he still only owns 4% of the company. The people who would have lost in that scenario would still own 96%, so they'd still use that to get their way.

[obtuse hull]

Thats what im wondering also

[empty pumice]

We dont know what is going to happen with the shares. A lot is up in the air around it. There were some discrepancies surrounding that. The only thing we can hope is the best case scenario and development continues. As far as i understood, he was pushed into losing more shares because of what they were doing behind the scenes.

Seems very highly unlikely he would have given them away out of his free will. Seems very strange.

[prisma pollen]

What discrepancies? It seems there is pretty clear documentation on who paid what and who owns what. We have multiple sources for this now.

[empty pumice]

ok

Steven, I know you want to defend yourself, but now is not the time. Do it after everything is settled. And even then, i wouldn't bother, there are a lot of bad faith people that you would not convince anyway.
Keep your head down and keep grinding until it all blows over. You do not want to screw this thing up because of emotions. People will be here when this starts up again no matter what these fools say.

[kind prism]

I dunno anything about the law. The best case scenario is probably employees get paid+severance and refunds are issued. I don't think there's a universe where development continues.

Even if Steven proves that he was threatened/coerced into giving over shares and gets them all given back to him (again, don't even know if that's something that's possible), he would still need money to continue development

So like, dream fantasy 0.000000000000000001% scenario is Dawson actually is a billionaire and gets sued for damages/harm he caused for $300m which allows Ashes development to continue :xdd:

And no one should want development to continue under TFE or whoever they sell the company to, it'd be butchered beyond recognition

[thorn marten]

Did hunter survive the cuts at epic

[kind prism]

Dunno, he hasn't posted on LinkedIn about it

[fluid urchin]

Maybe those wizards working on an emulator in Creation of Ashes can contribute in some way at some point. Ashes of Creation might yet rise from its ashes someday, hope we live in that timeline!

[empty pumice]

I only care about one thing, looking smooth as a bard 😏