#alpha-two-general

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exotic fractal
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If you used a credit card you can try and cancel the charge by calling it fraud.

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No idea if they are willing to handle that for a charge 9 years ago, though.

jolly raptor
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if we had gotten hardcore servers this would all not have happened

exotic fractal
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How would that have prevented mismanagement?

raw sonnet
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Well, we still don't know if this is the end or not. But this will probably be a long hiatus

wind dew
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i like turtles

jolly raptor
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tfe? sus

wind dew
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ist realtime strategie, dont know wehre that is sus

pure wadi
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LFM Firebrand is up

thorny chasm
maiden timber
pure wadi
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no fighters

maiden timber
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i have a bow tho

pure wadi
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no fighter noob

torpid burrow
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Fighter is useless class. We only accept summoners

knotty knoll
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has anyone gotten a refund pre-steam release?

atomic radish
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Isn't the next court date tomorrow?

rotund knoll
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In the next 24 hours the court case approaches aocphoenix

Anyone following along and waiting with anticipation for results will have an update.

Let's hope justice can be served quickly and righteously.

Keep a clear mind friends! It is likely the court will need to extend the date and we will probably need to look for another day in the future.

At the minimum; let us hope the courts find reason to award the former employees with their deserved paychecks!

I will be sure to update the community when the results of tomorrow's case are official and published.

Let us hope the court date isn't adjourned due to the incompetence and irresponsibility of specific parties.

With great love and support to everyone still here 🧡 I will be back aocphoenix

thin fiber
maiden timber
fickle bloom
lost python
elfin canopy
thin fiber
oblique cypress
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we re on the new server dude, the one for dual class

keen ridge
polar wasp
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Do we have a bingo card ready for the court report?

grim stream
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One time while playing ashes I saw another player that wasn’t a bot

I had 4800 hours played

empty pumice
scenic wagon
prime bane
tired dock
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Was that with a payment through xsolla sinolai?

scenic wagon
tired dock
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Ok

errant garnet
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Y’all just come play Quinfall until Ashes is revived - use my referral code too so we both get free shit 😆- 45463322

waxen mist
wintry parcel
languid heart
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StevenGasm
@vague leaf Kick ass today!

spice hawk
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@vague leaf GL

dim scarab
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"Let us hope the court date isn't adjourned due to the incompetence and irresponsibility of specific parties." 🤣

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From Ashes back to Ashes

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I wasn't following this everyday ,but ,if there is any hope for continued development, they might as well start a kickstarter called: Ressurection of Ashes ,because this shit should go all the way back to pre-alpha and take few years............

coarse hull
acoustic harness
winged matrix
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guys game is gone, maybe they sell the asset to someone but which good developer and game designer would want to work under Steve even if proven right and win
it is over maybe it will be a korean slop in the end but not the game we came here for

teal carbon
loud prism
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💪 StevenGasm 👍

maiden timber
thin fiber
elfin canopy
jolly raptor
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what time is it?

pine vale
violet frost
thin fiber
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❤️

nimble urchin
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So curious question, I just found out about ashes of creation after a lil haitus, I paid for the $500 pre-order package in 2021, am I just fucked now?

jolly raptor
mystic quiver
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any news from devs?

empty pumice
azure hull
topaz torrent
young remnant
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there s a hearing set for today, 4 pm california time

visual garden
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Still people in here rooting for Steven......that's hilarious

elfin owl
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people rooting for either side is hilarious, just let it play out and enjoy the show

jolly raptor
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🍿

grim stream
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@here curls is typing

jolly raptor
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ok but who is curls

balmy owl
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No other news?
Any more drama anyone wants to spill?
Just trying to past the time while I work.

rotund knoll
grim stream
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When does the info from court come out

rotund knoll
kind prism
daring river
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What happend?

rotund knoll
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Thank you Talents 🙏

jolly raptor
balmy owl
rotund knoll
daring river
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Voyager plus 😭

jolly raptor
grim stream
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Steven owes me 30 dollars I gave him for gas a week ago

daring river
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Can I still refund my Voyager plus?

kind prism
# kind prism New court hearing in 5 and a half hours. TFE trying to get Stevens TRO in Cali d...

The basic explanation of this is TFE have a restraining order that stops them selling or doing anything with the Ashes IP until this is all sorted out. TFE claim to have a buyer for Ashes so they want it over with ASAP. If the TRO is removed today then technically they could go and sell Ashes. It's unlikely that it will succeed though and the most likely outcome is their motion is rejected

indigo python
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Sell it Steven doesn't have money to keep it going.

kind prism
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Well I'd prefer nothing comes out than a butchered mess which is the likely outcome if it's sold to China or something.

rotund knoll
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  • Intrepid was fine from 2017 to 2021
  • in 2021 Dawson becomes a shareholder/investor
  • Dawson becomes Payroll and chose where to put money and makes bad choices
  • Intrepid becomes less valuable because of Dawson
  • Dawson buys more shares (kinda sus)
  • Dawson gets an investor loan from the bank allowing him to sieze Intrepid and his invested money
  • Dawson creates a board in 2024 (puts himself and his friend on it)
  • Dawson tells his friend to start a new bank account for Intrepid so Steven can't use it
  • Ashes releases Alpha 2 later in 2024
  • Dawson partnered with Valve Corp. (STEAM)
    ..... this is to avoid refunds to kickstarter and early backer packages

... Dawson created TFE Games and allowed other investors to work with him at some point...

  • Steven resigned after he didn't agree with the board (Dawson and friends)
  • Dawson fired everyone at Intrepid
  • Dawson transferred all of Intrepid to TFE Games Holdings
    ... this was an to avoid refunds to STEAM and avoid paying Intrepid employees

Here is where the court says there was a real problem (caught red handed)

  • Dawson transferred Intrepid's assetts to TFE Games (himself) without a public sale.
    ... another red flag is when TFE Games admitted they were already looking to sell that.

Now, from the information Steven provided us.

  • Steven claims there was threats to hold payroll
  • Steven claims Dawson mismanaged the money
  • Steven claims Dawson had an illegal sieze of company assetts
  • Dawson claims he was unaware of the senior Bank Loan that Intrepid had

Another red flag here
... the bank loan is public!

  • the court is in favor of Steven and granted a Temporary Restraining Order on all of Intrepids trade secrets, assetts, files, 3d models, and anything Intrepid worked on.

  • a follow-up hearing is listed for tonight
    The hearing is primarily to decide if the Restraining Order needs to be kept in place until the lawsuits are settled.
    The hearing will also discuss if either party should have access to the files.

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If any of this is messed up, shoot me a message.
Relax and stay confident; tonight the supporters stand for justice of Ashes of Creation and former Intrepid employees. They will stand behind you through these conflicts until all the truths are revealed.

🧝 "Oft hope is born when all is forlorn"

topaz torrent
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Thats a pretty damn good breakdown that seems a lot more like what Ive been watching happen than the YT narrative

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Either way, good luck today 🙏

mild dust
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Just massive propaganda from this disc LOL

jolly raptor
topaz torrent
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PvP MMO propaganda hits harder than US government propaganda

empty pumice
mint gale
twin hedge
mint gale
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well the first line

Intrepid was fine from 2017 to 2021
doesn't seem to be accurate at all from the text messages Jason has shown. Those messages reveal the company was behind on payroll several times throughout 2017 to 2021, only being bailed out when Jason dipped into his savings/sold off his assets

twin hedge
mint gale
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Surely Steven would have said if those messages were fake

twin hedge
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alot of the content shown on those youtube videos are easily faked, now if they get added to the public filings of the court cases I'll treat them as real evidence until then naw

runic dune
indigo python
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Intrepid was never fine cause there was no money from the start to actually create this game.

empty pumice
forest surge
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Lol gossip? They were texts from Steven. Steven has not denied them either. You think what we saw, and how Jason acted, gives anyone any idea that they were faked? bruh

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Everyone here forgetting that neither side has a good background history is crazy

empty pumice
twin hedge
empty pumice
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We all dance and sing kumbaya?

twin hedge
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Steven has been silent so it must all be true! naw you dont say shit until your attorney says you can, doing otherwise is dumb.

orchid nexus
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@empty pumice @twin hedge @forest surge @indigo python @runic dune @mint gale

GAME IS DEAD BRUH

NEETS BTFO

forest surge
empty pumice
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Stop expecting people to be smart. Again, kids that love to gossip.

rotund knoll
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"Anything you say can and will be used against you in a court of law."

"You have the right to remain silent"

Wise men do not speak when they are dealing with court.

twin hedge
forest surge
forest surge
kind prism
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Texts aren't gonna be fake, but trusting that Jason is telling the actual truth is a bit braindead lmao. Just wait and see what the courts rule

twin hedge
forest surge
runic dune
kind prism
indigo python
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I would rather believe Jason a bit more than anything Steven has to say at this point.

empty pumice
indigo python
empty pumice
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Im not sure he lied though. Yes if you look at the stream NOW... months after they have been released, then i get it. But times change, situations change, ... Choices need to be made to fix stuff that came up.

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Running a business isnt so easy as a lot of people think.

hardy valley
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I think it wiser to place your trust in the court than in one very emotionally charged man

empty pumice
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Oh hey killua!

rotund knoll
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I believe... If Jason violates certain boundaries he can be ordered to court hearings via court order or subpoena.
Usually you are protected by your freedom of speech.
Defamation, influencing witnesses, intimidating either party, and relevancy to a court case can force Jason into the court as well.

hardy valley
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Hello Banemus, how are you?

empty pumice
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Im doing well, struggling with freaking gantry shafts 🤣

hardy valley
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I just think a man who lashes out on a level that emotional and hatefully doesn't deserve to be extended an ounce of trust. I mean, you intend to launch a lawsuit against this person you're FLYING off the rails against. It doesn't mean anything in regards to the situation, but it does demonstrate his character. He's a toddler

hardy valley
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Oh, are you playing Minecraft?

empty pumice
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yes, still working on that mining machine. but because of chunks getting unloaded, im screwed 🙄

jolly raptor
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log in a 2nd client to stand there so they don't get unloaded

hardy valley
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I dropped Create because of that sort of thing.

polar wasp
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At least Jason was willing to say "stupid is as stupid does, and I did stupid"

hardy valley
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I'm way too lazy to get around it's minor inconveniences

empty pumice
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haha

hardy valley
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I think now that I'm over the original luster of all these suits coming out I'm just sort of tired of it all now.

empty pumice
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The only thing we can do is wait anyway.

hardy valley
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I just want to play a fulfilling game and ADHD brain my tasks into the ground.

polar wasp
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I'm seeing posts from former Intrepid staff, trying to determine if rejections or silence after an application is the worst part about seeking a new job.

hardy valley
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I've always found the silence worse

empty pumice
polar wasp
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It is rough. They deserve better.

hardy valley
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I love being told I'm the suboptimal choice, and what parts about me are, because then I can change it.

hardy valley
empty pumice
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The AAA game industry is crashing anyway, they wont find a job because they are all laying off people.

hardy valley
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Curious, do you think it has long-term beneficial or negative effects

empty pumice
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which does ?

hardy valley
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AAA game industry collapse.

empty pumice
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ow it is very benificial for us gamers. It is time for an ip reset and new companies to charge the lead. Was getting tired of seeing call of duty 30.

hardy valley
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The things that jump out to me as a consumer are that jobs will be lost, but because I don't actually work in the field or have personal experience I have no vision of detriment beyond that

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But for gamers it seems.. really good.

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COD 8 is the newest right? Actually ridiculous.

empty pumice
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And the game industry needs a clean up anyway. Too many peopel are in the industry that really do not belong there.

hardy valley
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I was going to buy a newer version because I was like, Zombies used to be SO good (iykyk) so surely they've improved upon it since I was a child

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I was heavily disappointed unfortunately. It looks like a comic book now, I hate it.

empty pumice
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Did you know that each week at least 10-20 games get released ? That is a rediculous amount.

hardy valley
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That seems like a lot, am I wrong in thinking so?

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In AAA that seems ridiculous

empty pumice
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yep, this is what you get if you make it too easy for making games and now a lot of crap is overfloading the market.

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Not specifically saying it is AAA.

hardy valley
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It's really hard for me to be like, 'burn the house down' because obviously parties will be effected negatively and I can't change that, nor do I want that, but God am I tired of awful games

hardy valley
empty pumice
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Every perosn can make a game and even their grandmother can make one 🙄

hardy valley
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Anyone can actually make a game, just Google platformer maker 🤣

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Jokes aside though, I want to people who aren't JUST qualified by title and some stretch of time. I'd like to see actual achievements

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I've nothing wrong with new faces breaking out, in fact I encouraged that somewhere else. But I feel there's a difference in new face and just incompetent bill

thin fiber
empty pumice
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i agree that new faces need to come. But it needs to be capable people. That actually know what they are doing and not throwing a 20 year old inhouse engine away so they can freaking use unreal engine 🙄 talking about cd project red btw.

prime moon
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Even if steven manages to retain ownership of the IP in intrepid, the company is insolvent, and so the IP will need to be sold to repay creditors. The only way to avoid that is if he repays or renegotiates with the creditors. He will never be able to raise the amount of money required to do that, so we just have to hope another studio buys it and has the capability to complete it true to the vision.

empty pumice
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Unity and unreal were the biggest detriment to the industry imo.

nimble urchin
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So is the game bust or what? cos I bought the adventurer's pack in 2021 and I need to know if I should get in touch with my bank cos they've promised me a product in exchange for my money and have not delivered upon it?

hardy valley
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A lot of people got refunded, but a LOT more got denied. I have no idea whether you can or not.

nimble urchin
hardy valley
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Based on the word pack, I assume you bought something on Kick. I've only seen people get refunded on Steam

nimble urchin
hardy valley
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Today, we find out if Stevens TRO (filed in federal court) remains or gets dissolved, but there's a good chance it'll be fine based off recent stuff that's released

empty pumice
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And steven has a powerhouse of a lawyer

hardy valley
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Right now, Steven is in the better position but we haven't even gotten to the meat and potatoes.

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All his lawyers are big names, two are partners iirc.

hardy valley
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Anyone I've ever seen talking about website refunds hasn't had any luck, yet. But maybe you'll have better luck?

nimble urchin
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So if steven manages to win this lawsuit and retains ownership of the assets and the foreclosure was illegal what's that mean for the rest of us?

empty pumice
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If he wins, the production should continue.

topaz torrent
empty pumice
nimble urchin
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But didn't they say the company has no money?

empty pumice
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No, there was enough money to last untill september.

hardy valley
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^

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There's way too much to summarize with absolute accuracy, so I highly suggest checking out Kira

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Banemus did you see the new text including that Theresa lady?

empty pumice
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But if production continues and it all starts up again, I would pay for subscription and buy some cosmetic stuff.

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No? what is it about ?

hardy valley
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If production does continue I swear I'm buying a lottery ticket because WOW

hardy valley
empty pumice
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url ?

hardy valley
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Sec.

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This was in Kira's if you or anyone else doesn't want to trust links.

empty pumice
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who is theressa?

hardy valley
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Board member

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It shows they knew they needed to notify the bank, the bank was not notified, and that they refused to do so because it'd cause issues

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To have a lawyer of this level stamp their name and reputation on this is what tickles me. I can't wait to find out what happens today after this

empty pumice
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yea, they could receive a serious fine on this and would have to pay out.

hardy valley
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Did you hear about the TFE lawyer disqualification attempt currently happenig

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It's the other new thing that came up recently. Basically a conflict of interest situation.

forest surge
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Not to steer things back but wanted to mention, even if the AAA gaming industry is taking hits, a significant percentage of the problem is corporate execs who hop from company to company with their shit ideas. And unfortunately, they're gonna mostly go untouched, even in the case of mass layoffs.

hardy valley
forest surge
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Corporate execs can have a complete track record of consumer failure over multiple games, but succeed on stockholder profits and hype and still constantly get rehired over and over again. Until the mindset changes, the problem will remain

hardy valley
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It is sort of disappointing though. Yes, it's a natural course. Obviously these massively successful companies wouldn't remain the same as they were when they pushed out these golden age games. But it's still so disheartening when you see 10-20 year old games still massively popular today. Not that they're unworthy, but you'd expect someone new and improved to have stolen the spotlight by now, right?

empty pumice
hardy valley
rotund knoll
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I like this conversation because it has been seen a lot throughout gaming history. This last 10 years especially.

forest surge
empty pumice
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dont forget tencent

hardy valley
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I was just about to ask how you guys feel about Tencent

jolly raptor
forest surge
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I don't think Tencent is as big of a boogieman as the other 4 are yet, but that's just a matter of time

hardy valley
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More especially the debate about restricting their business in the states.

empty pumice
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You know what boils me though, this stupid anti cheat system that is kernel based and it still doesnt fix the issue with cheaters. Then my question is, what the hell does it do ? Bitcoin mining using our hardware?

forest surge
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Casually scrapes and sells ur data yanno, the usual

empty pumice
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Well, these ceo forced this stupid business practices into the game industry, where it absolutly doesnt belong. And now all of it is falling apart because gamers finally had enough of being milk cows.

hardy valley
empty pumice
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Well, the biggest change is the multiplayer focused games are dying out.

hardy valley
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Multiplayer focused sandbox games.

empty pumice
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Those are growing, but it is the pvp side that is dying out.

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People had enough of being killed by bots all the time.

hardy valley
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I feel like I've had the most niche, uninterrupted experience in gaming because I've never experienced any of this

forest surge
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I'd argue pvp has never been major in the first place. Its like, maybe 10% of a typical mmo population that engages in pvp consistently

hardy valley
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PvE will always be bigger. But Ashes was really cool and gripping to me because you could lose everything just by existing.

empty pumice
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yea if you dont play competitive fps games, then you wont see it.

hardy valley
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I don't like zoned pvp.

As for comp fps, I do play

empty pumice
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i saw a youtube video about it, give me a sec

hardy valley
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I've probably never experienced that in competitive shooters because I last 1-2 games before flying off the handle in a fit of rage

rotund knoll
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Speaking of FPS . Y'all hear that Fortnite is supposedly taking bots out of the matches?

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I haven't played in maybe 10 years, but I still like to watch games with competitive PvP and elite players

hardy valley
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I also just hate the fact that rank resets.

burnt matrix
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if you belong in a rank you get back pretty quick honestly.

hardy valley
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True.

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I experienced my first hard rank reset when I was trying to climb and learn seriously for once

burnt matrix
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the only issue is you need to wait like 2-3 days for the higher ranks to get out of the bottom ranks but it goes quick

hardy valley
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I was about to hit plat, which isn't actually that great to a ton of people but huge to me, and then the rank reset hit and I couldn't play without immos and ascendants in my lobby for a week

rotund knoll
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I think it's the part where. If people surpass me, then I should get forced into lower rank.
And there should be a peak/top rank with slots available in each rank

hardy valley
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Uninstalled that day. Which ended up being the best choice I ever made because ashes came out shortly after

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I've re-embraced my MMO roots.

burnt matrix
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Just gotta learn to detach that ranked anxiety and frustration and care about getting better over winning and climbing

hardy valley
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For sure. I think I just felt demoralized because I tried so hard and then it got wiped. I didn't even know hard rank resets happened

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Otherwise I'd have never tried to play seriously.

burnt matrix
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Something that alot of people dont understand is the highest rank you achieve isnt (generally) your actual rank.

hardy valley
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I don't remember what it's called but you get your peak rank and then something more actual.

rotund knoll
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At least Fortnite isn't P2W incentivised.
I know many games with rank systems and constant releases of new content, but the new content is overtuned and allows easy access to higher ranks.
Those are the types of games I don't play.

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Then there is companies that just allow hacking and have no moderation 😫

empty pumice
young remnant
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i m currently keeping an eye on scars of honor

plush kestrel
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Was there news today ?

red dome
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any 1 know what happened on the court case today?

jolly raptor
plush kestrel
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So no update ?

kind prism
plush kestrel
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Ah ok thanks for info guess I will read on the morning

kind prism
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There are basically 2 outcomes for todays court case

TFE "wins" today if the judge grants their motion to dissolve Stevens TRO

Steven "wins" today if the judge denies the motion and instead schedules a new hearing to get the TRO converted into a PI

amber heron
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We lose either way, so it's thrilling

fervent raft
somber niche
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So court case is in 1 hour? I thought it was tomorrow

kind prism
pseudo mountain
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They should stream it on Twitch.

timber trench
# fervent raft I have no idea where you came up with Steven being in a better position? Regard...

what you think someone gets to do something illegal with a company they hold a majority stake in, pay awarded damages to the company (which is essentially themselves), and then walk away with the company still?

if steven wins those cases as you've said intrepid studios is still absolutely fucked and that was directly caused by the foreclosure. the awarded damages could be quite high. now it'd take a decade before any of that money is seen, if ever, but dawson is definitely not in a good position

fervent raft
timber trench
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yeah bro im creating a false narrative around you 😂 jfc get a life

hardy valley
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I'll probably edit the message so people don't take my opinion as a fact.

topaz torrent
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Please do the line from Idiocracy in court. Your honor, his shits all fucked up. He talks like a...

fervent raft
topaz torrent
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Plus he broke my apartment while I was baitin

fervent raft
timber trench
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"or if Steven manages to get a ruling that the foreclosure was illegal "

??????????????????????

hardy valley
fervent raft
hardy valley
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I just assumed that it would go to shit for TFE since proving the foreclosure was illegal seems like it would be kinda really bad? But that's normal civy brain talking

timber trench
topaz torrent
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Debatable what's the metric of measurement

timber trench
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what am i even reading rn

fervent raft
hardy valley
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I assumed that the discussion regarding the assets/foreclosure was like, a small part of stage 1, and we had a lot more levels to progress through.

fervent raft
hardy valley
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That's what I don't understand.

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I may be understanding it wrong, but if the foreclosure is proven illegal and whatnot, then would that not imply that the board, including Dawson, was incompetent and not fulfilling their duties correctly? I thought that was a big no no.

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Would they need to file a whole new complaint or whatever it's called, in order to pursue something along those lines?

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Goodness, I need to rewatch the original video outlining TFE's allegations. So much has happened with this asset/foreclosure debate that I've forgotten the other things they said.

rotund knoll
acoustic harness
topaz torrent
wary hawk
fervent raft
# hardy valley That's what I don't understand.

Well, think of this as a series of arguments, claims and legal positioning and battles.

If you look at some of the filings, you will see that Steven has stated that Dawson became majority shareholder somewhere around 2024?

Steven stated Dawson was the primary provider of ‘crucial debt financing’ and that through coercion such as withholding financing, Dawson became majority shareholder. Steven also makes claims about Dawson voting close business assoociates to the Board. If you look at many hostile takeovers, some will have similar activities.

I have not seen Intrepid’s Shareholder Agreement, but I see nothing too alarming about Dawson voting his scumbag Jeunesse buddies in for control. Where I think the focus should be is with the foreclosure taking place with what appears to be at least one Senior Secured Party not taken into consideration, and whether Dawson’s actions in setting up the Board for whatever actions he intended to take (buyout, sale of the company ect.) could result in a minority shareholder oppression claim.

I would also suggest focus on Pathway Bank. Steven mentions this as the bank that Dawson directed his scumbag buddy Ogden to open new bank accounts for Intrepid under around 2024 and Dawson has a controlling interest in a bank by this name (Nebraska or Florida, cannot remember) and it has been cited as a bank he allegedly used for a money scheme he is currently under lawsuit on in Florida.

hardy valley
fervent raft
fervent raft
hardy valley
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Now that you say it like that, I'm not sure how it didn't click

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After the assets and foreclosure aspect is handled, would you happen to know what would come next? Like, would that be dealing with the secured party aka the bank?

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Or at that point would it become a situation where the board is closer investigated

fervent raft
hardy valley
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I'm pretty sure we'll see something about the hearing shortly. It's been like an hour and a half or so?

rotund knoll
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It's been 30 minutes since it was supposed to start. It is also unclear if it started on time.

But likely we will need at least a week after a party is awarded custody of the game.

They may seek compensation for damages, and that's a whole other bag of worms for the court to decide.

mild pilot
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This is just about whether to dissolve the TRO, which should be seen as an uphill battle for TFE

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They were both given 5 minutes each for oral arguments, otherwise the judge deemed that they heard everything in filings previousky

hardy valley
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For me at least.

fervent raft
# hardy valley Or at that point would it become a situation where the board is closer investiga...

I think everything will be looked at but as far as Dawson having control and bringing his buddies in, I do not think that this in and of itself is an issue.

Now, what they worked together to do with Intrepid and how it impacted other shareholders ect., this will be looked at closely I am sure. With controlling power, you might be able to finagle your buddies on to the Board, but your actions still have to be legal with what you do as the Board so I am sure we will see some key words like fiduciary duty and self-dealing pop up.

hardy valley
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What they were actually doing is what I want to know about, the fact that he brought his scumbag friends on board with him is just more of a, 'Thats weird' scenario.

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But I've been hearing it'll take months just to reach discovery.

fervent raft
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I am guessing this is not a closed courtroom? Is anyone here attending these hearings?

hardy valley
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It's not weird in terms of thought. Like I'm not surprised that this is happening. Weird isn't the correct term, either. More like, it's indicative but not condemning of what could've happened.

When I heard that he was working with the same people he'd worked with in another company who faced a similar situation as this one, I paused for a moment and thought, wow. Must be a coincidence 🤣

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In all seriousness though, there's no way it's just a coincidence and I refuse to believe Dawson was always in the league of good will

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Hopefully it doesn't take too long for more to come out. Even just that text between Steven and Theresa was a lot for just one snippet, so who knows what else is waiting to come out.

Either way, till then, I'm trying to remain as neutral and open minded as possible

fervent raft
hardy valley
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Sorry I had to get started on dinner, I'll get it for you now

rotund knoll
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Raina 😉

hardy valley
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Oh yeah, there ya go

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There's two links there. Top one is the text.

fervent raft
# rotund knoll This one

I appreciate it.

Please help me with context if you can.

The mention of 'notifying' the bank is referencing Steven bringing the foreclosure move to the bank's attention the day before the action, or the lack of legal notification going to this senior secured creditor during Dawson's foreclosure?

hardy valley
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I'm pretty sure it's lack of.

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That's how it's currently being interpreted, as far as I've seen.

fervent raft
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If the latter, pretty stupid for Theresa to admit that lack of notice was intentional due to limiting options. 🤔

hardy valley
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Did you read the other link too? That's what makes me think it's the latter.

fervent raft
# hardy valley I'm pretty sure it's lack of.

Lack of what? We have two separate claims mentioned in filings when it comes to this bank. One is that Steven alerted them to the redirection of Valve funds and foreclosure, and the other involves a claim of illegal foreclosure due to this bank being a senior secured creditor that was not properly notified during the article 9 foreclosure.

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Yes, saw both. This was all within a two week period where Dawson supposedly took foreclosure action without notifying the bank (which is why I stated earlier I think Steven stands a chance with this) and also when Steven reached out and notified the bank of the Valve funds being redirected which I believe was the straw that actually broke the camels back.

hardy valley
rotund knoll
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I got this

hardy valley
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I can't remember why for the life of me these things got submitted either. Like if it was in response for something or just here look at this

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I can't multitask well, help

fervent raft
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No reason to go back and look as I am aware that the bank is the senior secured creditor which is why I have repeatedly stated that I think Steven has legal positioning with the article 9 foreclosure being illegal,

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I think there was actually another senior secured creditor that was also ignored during the foreclosure

rotund knoll
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Small Business partnership was the other one. On top of West commerce bank

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Going back on that other piece of info.

It was the lawyer saying the bank was not informed on assetts being transferred and the potential of them being sold.

It's the proof that gave them the TRO

fervent raft
rotund knoll
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Yeah!
it's at the bottom of page 3 / top of page 4

fervent raft
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Yes, aware of all of this as I was following prior to this all playing out in January. I was just trying to figure out which notification (Steven's or Dawson's lack of) was being referenced in the text

rotund knoll
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I know it, I love seeing you and Talents in here trying to keep propaganda to a minimum with me 🏆

fervent raft
rotund knoll
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Aaahhhh... sorry. I don't understand.

fervent raft
rotund knoll
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No. Not that i'm aware of.
Just trying to spread the facts that we have.

fervent raft
untold hollow
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From what i understand, the guys steven is in a legal lawsuit against, etc. They don't wanna finish the game at all, they want to sell the game codes, etc for highest buyer..

rotund knoll
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🏆

fervent raft
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I think Talents is pretty factual as well, right?

rotund knoll
untold hollow
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i did checked that, but i feel worst of all. devs was not paid the coders, etc i mean?

rotund knoll
fervent raft
untold hollow
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TFE Games Holdings LLC: This is a "new entity" created by board member Robert Dawson. Sharif's lawsuit alleges the board "manufactured" an insider foreclosure to transfer Intrepid's assets—including the game's source code and IP—directly to TFE Games Holdings.
Third-Party "Flipping": Sharif's legal filings argue that the board intended to use TFE as a vehicle to "flip" the trade secrets and source code to an unnamed third party once they gained full control.
Private Equity Firms: Early reports following the studio's collapse suggested Intrepid had been sold to an unspecified private equity firm, though later filings clarified this was likely the forced transfer to Dawson's TFE On March 4, 2026, a federal judge issued a Temporary Restraining Order (TRO) specifically to prevent these sales: * This is what i got on the situation

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However, it was supposed to be a court day or so today or yesterday/its in us so.. Around 18 march, 2-4 clock?

fervent raft
untold hollow
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thats what i know, but i haven't heard what happened at hearing today? Did he win that hearing, or continue, or?

rotund knoll
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He's at the hearing or finishing up... right now

mild pilot
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There's no update to the docket yet, but it sounded like the judge had already made a decision before oral arguments and just allowed them as a formality

untold hollow
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So likely steven is going to win? Given the fact workers were not paid, as i understand there was 200+ workers that were never paid?

mild pilot
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That doesn't mean that

fervent raft
mild pilot
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Steven will likely win today but it's still just procedural, the judge doesn't want to allow irreparable harm

untold hollow
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If the other team had paid the workers, i think they would have maybe gotten away with it.. they had 9M and 200+ workers not paid, when they have money from steam.. I can't see how judge not find that.. in contempt..

mild pilot
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The money from steam is being held since the bank claimed it

untold hollow
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technically the steam money, was not frozen pre-lawsuit.

somber niche
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What happened with the case today?

rotund knoll
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Sooo, it is only a claim that TFE Games is going to sell it I believe. If I understand correctly from what I read.

But the TRO was established because the court finds Steven "likely to win" and they don't want "irreparable harm to Trade Secrets"

rotund knoll
untold hollow
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However, if we look at it this way. TFE Games closed steam, sales.. If they wanted money to come in from the game, and continue, would't they have kept that open, paid the devs, etc?

rotund knoll
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No. Not if you are trying to get all your money back.

rotund knoll
azure hull
rotund knoll
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STEAM closed it. .... after West Commerce Bank told them it didn't exist anymore

untold hollow
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Who Closed the Sales?
The Board's Action: After Steven Sharif's resignation on January 31, 2026, the board took full control of the studio and issued mass layoff notices to all employees. Why Was It Closed?
Board Allegations: The board, led by Rob Dawson, claimed the closure was a necessary response to the company’s inability to meet its February 1st payroll due to alleged financial mismanagement by Sharif.
Sharif’s Allegations: Steven Sharif’s federal lawsuit alleges the board manufactured the insolvency and delisted the game as part of a "hostile takeover" to seize the intellectual property through a new entity, TFE Games Holdings LLC If we look at it, TFE Games Holdings LLC did not owned the game, that company, had nothing to do with ashes. They had not bought it, or anything?

rotund knoll
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TFE Games was not partnered with Steam.

When the assetts from Intrepid were moved to TFE Games it removed employee payroll and Steam player refunds.

untold hollow
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Nor did it really owned ashes? Intrepid Studios. is owner of ashes, as far that i can tell..

rotund knoll
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The illegal Article 9

untold hollow
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I find nothing that indicate TFE Games bought Intrepid Studios, or ashes.. You can't make a new B company, and move everything from company A to b B. Without owning company A.. And company A is as far that i know owned by steven, etc?

rotund knoll
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Not since May 2024

untold hollow
rotund knoll
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Dawson used a bank loan to sieze control of his assetts and intrepid when he owned a majority of shares.

untold hollow
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Yes, but company A, is intrepid. And company B is TFE Games Holdings LLC. But TFE Games Holdings LLC, members, does not own inteprid. Its impossible, you can't move A to B, without owning A?

#

They may be board members, but not owners?

rotund knoll
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It's weird legal wording...

In May 2024, Dawson securitized his debt against all assets and all personal property of Intrepid, including intellectual property, this includes the Trade Secrets Materials.

untold hollow
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Like this, imagine a house. You move in with 4 people, just because those 4 pay more, or 90% of rent, or even 99% doesn matter house still listed as yours. They can't simply kick you out, and say house is theirs

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They can refuse to pay rent, and when you go in debt buy out. That is fine

rotund knoll
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Which is... exactly what the court case is about...

  • Who is the legal owner?
untold hollow
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The court noted that the balance of hardships tipped "sharply" toward Steven Sharif, as the transfer to TFE threatened to strip Intrepid of its primary valuable assets and destroy any chance of bringing Ashes of Creation to market itself*

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In other words, 55% is technically not enough.. To do what they did, had it been 99% or close, might been a different view?

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Plus, the fact, as board members, they had adresses to all workers, they could easily have shut down, but still paid workers. That side as far that i can tell, is not, that well too poor to have done that.. They had millions to use for it.. 1-2 millions or so to pay workers the jan work?

rotund knoll
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If I own 51% of a business. I am now in control.

If you watched Shark Tank you can see how the "sharks" often try to get 51% of a company.

untold hollow
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Control, yes, ownership? thats debatable..

rotund knoll
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Once I get my 51%
I can get a bank loan if the company is failing...
Then I can use the loan to takeover the company

untold hollow
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true, but if you don't pay the workers, before take over.. How does that look morality like?

rotund knoll
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Yeah! Crazy to think they thought they could even attempt to get away with that

vague leaf
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💪💪💪

topaz torrent
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LETS GO

rotund knoll
vague leaf
untold hollow
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Steve, you here? how did hearing go?

topaz torrent
polar wasp
rotund knoll
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Let the man drink some water first 🔥

untold hollow
vague leaf
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Another day, another victory for justice and accountability.

topaz torrent
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I hope he invoked the Idiocracy defense

untold hollow
untold hollow
topaz torrent
rotund knoll
topaz torrent
fervent raft
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Anyone have the actual 'facts' of what took place in court today?

kind prism
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I am shocked that not paying the employees what they were owed backfired for them

topaz torrent
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😂

balmy owl
untold hollow
fervent raft
rotund knoll
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Now we wait

topaz torrent
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I'm gonna mistrial my foot up your ass if you don't shut up

rotund knoll
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You're my lawyer, don't tell them I was stealing

dry imp
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You can access everything through PACER and looking up case 26-cv-965-LL-JLB. I practice in federal courts and can access all filings in the case. If no one else does it before me, I can upload all filings and orders tomorrow. Someone just remind me lol

topaz torrent
pastel solstice
rotund knoll
mild pilot
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There's no update to docket, judge probably, predictably, didn't grant the motion to dissolve the TRO

topaz torrent
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Also, has anybody ever seen Afroman and Steven at the same time? I know they both had court today and both won... Can anybody prove they aren't the same person?

pastel solstice
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we share the same algorithm

mild pilot
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Meaning they'll move forward to the preliminary injunction

pastel solstice
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i thought it was only mine 🥲

near cedar
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afroman was in court about 15 miles from where i live

topaz torrent
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It definitely had some entertaining moments

ornate hatch
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wtf does 💪 mean….

kind prism
somber niche
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Do we have the actual court update anywhere? 💪 Is not much

kind prism
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Probably have to wait until it's uploaded on the court site

quiet mulch
bronze crown
sly scaffold
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^^^

kind prism
somber niche
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Thank you talent was just about ti say that

quiet mulch
fervent raft
kind prism
fervent raft
somber niche
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Where can I follow the updates at

kind prism
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Yeah that specific one has been there for around 3-4 hours for me

topaz torrent
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For anybody confused, this isn't an overall resolution and Steven still won't be able to speak openly. Everything's gonna be gone over by a lawyer before he puts it out as this is still a very active and evolving situation and literally every word typed can and will be used as evidence

untold hollow
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Restructuring Specialist: His primary "action" leading up to the current conflict was a demand at the start of 2026 for a total company overhaul. This included a results-based earnout structure for the founder, equity sharing for other investors, and a 70% reduction in staff wait.. Robert Dawson wanted less people to work at the game?

kind prism
dry imp
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The last few actions I see are just pro hac vice applications (attorneys not licensed in the SDCA applying to admission just for this case)

mild pilot
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Id post court docs from docketbird but am scared about whether I need to redact names or shit so I don't dox them

dry imp
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Nothing really super substantive

somber niche
topaz torrent
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Yeah I was gonna say there's no expectation of privacy if it's a public record

untold hollow
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70% reduction in staff thats like saying, i don't want game to succeed?

indigo shoal
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Please AoC come back

dry imp
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Ooh, Steven is looking to disqualify someone's lawyer

kind prism
mild pilot
topaz torrent
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With the game as it was at the end of January, just about anybody could turn it into an overly monetized slop fest in a matter of months if they were able to get their hands on it

untold hollow
dry imp
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Well, tbh, this was a waste of like 90 cents. I will look at PACER updates again in a few days for anything juicy

untold hollow
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1, it takes time for people to learn how the codes, etc work on a game... without coders, etc to teach... ouch..

kind prism
gray stone
topaz torrent
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Which was an extremely hard line for a portion of the playerbase and Steven himself I believe

gray stone
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Legal stuff is not something to be fucked around with

untold hollow
dry imp
untold hollow
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I have a question, who here is a coder or done any coding?

kind prism
gray stone
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That's the distinction now, lol

untold hollow
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either?...

topaz torrent
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Yeah I mean just about everybody using a computer can manage a prompt

gray stone
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What' you wanna ask about?

gray stone
untold hollow
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well, if you take simple HTML on a website, you can copy, paste, most stuff there, and roll around with the numbers, to get things right in a day or two even if unskilled.. javascript, is not too hard on same end, php, and such at large the same however, a big mmo game is used with high level kind of engine, its way different. You can't simply paste things, if you do.. good lord the bugs..

gray stone
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And there's also the fact that you shouldn't be trusting AI 100% of the times. If you ain't careful, you gon see your data get messed up

untold hollow
topaz torrent
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Oh yeah just because people can do something doesn't mean they should

gray stone
untold hollow
gray stone
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MMO... you are very much correct that it's a big different ballgame.

untold hollow
gray stone
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Network issues, the fact that you gotta account for numbers of people going into your servers, graphical processing, storyline conditions, etc etc.

untold hollow
untold hollow
gray stone
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Any vibe coder wanting to tackle on that is going to be very out of league. I've seen one KS MMO coming up, with advertising on AI stuff.and I'm like "Hmm.."

untold hollow
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Imagine wanting A done, when B and C D is running, andG-E-F is coming up also duo to node time/night cyckle, to switch..

gray stone
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I'm a vibe coder, I will tell you that. I only know fundamentals of coding langauge, and I'm currently working around with my lack of manual coding skills, but the number of vibe coders I've met seemed too very optimistic about their projects and even games. It's scary, lol

untold hollow
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And then you got all the way down to Z, and roll back, in different custom orders?

untold hollow
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And thats without adding in node progression, and regression Banning

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And, thats current...

gray stone
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With devs, I know for sure they weren't using AI, but were building stuff up themselves through manual coding and setting up things

rotund knoll
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Y'all got any of that Spaghetti Code ? 🤪

gray stone
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If the Board got their way, the chances are pretty high they would have brought an offshore team of vibe coders and try to take Ashes in a new direction, making it P2W.

untold hollow
gray stone
gray stone
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That's not a good thing. Code Spaghettification is a major concern, that's for sure.

untold hollow
gray stone
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Did something happen very recently?

untold hollow
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No i mean, the level of coding wow, has, is Spaghetti, compared to ashes, if you look at how the games run. One has the quests, nodes, etc work at different zone times, and progression-regression. wow does not have that. With, or without pvp*

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Lets say, if wow, and ffxiv, had that, would pve players want to play ashes?

maiden timber
keen ridge
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Hopefully a apology video will come, money is nothing

rotund knoll
# untold hollow curls, have you played wow?... Imagine if wow, was released today, vs ashes.. ho...

This is tough.... if they started development from the same day. I think... if WOW still had Pay to Boost then Ashes wins a majority of people as long as Ashes sticks with only selling cosmetics.

But if WoW had graphics that more people liked, then they would be inclined to play it.

If they were both finished products I'd say Ashes takes a majority of players, but lots of people would move away from games like runescape to play WoW.

The "finished" system for quests in Ashes is in a league of it's own as well.

I think for people that want a challenge, they would come to Ashes.

outer inlet
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Pictures don't work, but was posting a handmade-framed (by my grandfather) world map of the AoC world that hung in my brother's room before he died. We were looking forward to AoC for 6 years.

fervent raft
# kind prism Before everything went boom in January, the internal plan was to gut the company...

Timeframes are important here and you are failing to mention the claims of the opposing party for this ‘internal plan’.

Dawson is suggesting that action was needed and taken due to some serious financial mismanagement on Steven’s part and him having to continue sinking money year after year to keep the company afloat.

It sounds like there might have been an inability or lack of willingness for Dawson as the controlling shareholder (who we have heard might be invested for up to $80M+) and who Steven has stated in filings was the ‘primary provider of crucial debt financing’, to invest further in what he considered a mess.

IF there is any validity to the thug Caramanis’s claims that the Board didn’t start discussing this ‘internal plan’ until late 2025 and into the beginning of 2026, it might be less nefarious than it looks.

rotund knoll
gray stone
untold hollow
rotund knoll
outer inlet
rotund knoll
gray stone
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I don't .. see any issues tbh

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I do see hate on pizza, and on coffee..

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but never that combination that you're talking about

untold hollow
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Like is it 7/10, or 12/10, or?

hardy valley
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I know you didn't ask me, but if we're basing this on enjoyment ALONE then 100% Ashes.

untold hollow
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and i mean current state of game in content*

hardy valley
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Also I just wanted to answer because the question seems really fun.

untold hollow
covert shore
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This game is ass and the concept would never get down to a perfect scenario

hardy valley
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WoW content is recycled to me. It's my fallback, never my first choice.

rotund knoll
untold hollow
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And you don't need to write a document about it. 🙂

hardy valley
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I would honestly pick this game over any MMO currently released.

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I didn't even get to touch or see a boat because I was crafting SO much because it had my attention so badly I literally don't even know what a boat looks like 🤣

untold hollow
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So if ashes, had not had so many promises, it currently has not held up to. You would rated this 10/10 currently vs say wow, or other games with pvp?

hardy valley
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Yeah, 100%. I love this game, I would absolutely play this game right NOW if servers came up.

rotund knoll
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No bugs... finished systems.
Ashes is a solid 8/10

But we never got to fully experience the depths of the commission and events systems. The world changing systems. The repeating quests eventually upgrading and leading to new world events.

hardy valley
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There is nothing on the market right now that provides me as much fun and entertainment as I get from Ashes

gray stone
hardy valley
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I don't even care about unfinished systems or bugs. What it has right now is enough for a lot of players like me (primarily PvE although I like to PVP, just didnt get there yet) BUT not good enough for steam, imo.

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It should've had more time outside of Steam.

jolly terrace
thin fiber
rotund knoll
untold hollow
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so, basically, if it had gotten chance to add in 1-2 more contents, like say Ship Building: The modular ship construction system was missing. and Naval Combat: Cannons, ship-to-ship boarding, and maritime physics were not functional. and the missing race's. You would been a lot more happier with ashes then?

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In my humble opinon. Had they had in phase 3 the Secondary Archetype system. I think the game would on steam have gotten a bigger, much bigger sale, like double or tripple at minimum.

plain adder
hardy valley
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Sorry just saw this, let me read for a sec

rotund knoll
topaz torrent
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We hadn't even cycled back around to a caravan meta yet man 😭

rotund knoll
hardy valley
rotund knoll
hardy valley
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I really do just love this game, that's all. It's plain, simple fun. It doesn't need to be more or less, and I really do wish I'd spent more time playing instead of taking breaks 🤣

#

Starting to really regret eating and sleeping in-between those 16 hour sessions

rotund knoll
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🤣

prime mist
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lol

hardy valley
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Also, what the fuck are we doing resetting the servers at 2 AM? Do you know how awful that is for a night owl? I could've easily had at least double my hours if that shit wasn't happening.

rotund knoll
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Australia would like a word about those resets as well 😆

hardy valley
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I started getting up at 10 AM, god forbid I tell ANYONE besides you people that a videogame fixed my sleep schedule 🤣

rotund knoll
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Servers reset in 30 minutes. **walks to church for chance at Protectors Pride.

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Gotta say, for nobody resetting the servers.
I was amazed to be able to login 4 weeks after the studio disappeared.

mild pilot
untold hollow
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Schwartz, PLLC Schwartz PLLC is a unique blend of attorneys dedicated to the fields of bankruptcy, business, real estate, and litigation.. and these were the guys the other team had for defendants' legal counsel in other words.... bankruptcy, they were trying to go that route?

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while yes, it has bussiness, and real estate, the fact, that it has bankruptcy, extensive experience in bankruptcy first, on their website...

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i don't see dawson wanting to finish ashes, with wanting hiring this kind of firm, etc?

young orchid
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Do we have lawyers in this fucking chat?

hardy valley
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There was one actually, yeah.

young orchid
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NIIIICE

#

carry on

untold hollow
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not me... I know,A litigation lawyer, or litigator, is a legal professional who represents clients in civil or criminal disputes through the court system... But the fact, that team is extensive experience in bankruptcy first, on their website.. It feels its less about take over, and finish the job, rather than take over, and continue?

young orchid
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I can't make heads or tails of any of it

#

Myabe Mark Jacobs will be joining him soon

untold hollow
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Distressed Asset Acquisition: If you are taking over a company that is struggling financially, a lawyer with Chapter 11 bankruptcy experience can help you navigate buying assets out of bankruptcy court.* however, i am not sure Ashes, was going towards financial ruin?

languid heart
young orchid
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It sounds like it based on a video from a lawyer in another channel

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I want to believe this is just PE continuing their pillaging of the American Economy and this guy was nothing more than a fall guy who was fucked over

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Like PE is panicing because the economy is going to shit and they are trying to rob the people they are loaning money to because they're psychopaths

untold hollow
#

I asked Ai: if PLLC Schwartz PLLC was giving both, side's advice's... it feels like the board was with PLLC Schwartz PLLC , playing steve all along? And according to bot i asked.
That is exactly the core of the legal firestorm currently happening in court. If Schwartz PLLC was advising both Intrepid Studios (the company) and the investor board (the group taking it over) at the same time, it points toward a coordinated "inside job" to strip Steven Sharif of his control.
In the legal world, this is a massive red flag involving Conflict of Interest and Breach of Fiduciary Duty.
The "Playing Both Sides" Strategy
If the allegations are true, the board likely used the firm to execute a Manufactured Default:
Insider Access: The firm knew the studio’s exact financial weaknesses because they were the studio's lawyers.
The "Trap": They could advise the board on exactly when and how to pull funding or call in loans to trigger a crisis.
The Foreclosure: While the studio was vulnerable, the firm helped the board perform an Article 9 Foreclosure, moving the "Ashes of Creation" code into a new entity (TFE Games Holdings) that Sharif doesn't own.
Is the Firm "Good" for This?
From the Board's Perspective: Yes. If their goal was to seize the game, the firm successfully navigated a very technical legal maneuver to move the assets.
From a Legal Ethics Perspective: No. This is why Sharif’s lawyers are moving to disqualify Schwartz PLLC. A law firm cannot represent a "buyer" (the board) in a hostile takeover of their own "client" (the studio).
The Result of "Both Sides" Advice
If a judge rules that Schwartz PLLC acted for both sides improperly:
The Takeover Could Be Reversed: The court might rule the asset transfer "void," moving the code back to the original studio.
Malpractice Suits: The firm itself could be sued for damages by Sharif or the original company.
The "Clean Sale" Fails: If you were a third party trying to buy the code now, you would stay away because the "title" to that code is "dirty" due to the firm’s conflict of interest.
In short, the board used a specialized firm to play a high-stakes game of corporate chess, but by using the company's own lawyer to do it, they may have created a legal "poison pill" that ruins the value of the game.
Do you want to look into the disqualification motion filed against the firm to see the specific evidence Sharif is using?

young orchid
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...mother fucker...if it walks like a duck....

untold hollow
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And, yes, i know Ai is not smartest.. But, it seems to fit, what i heard.. regarding A, B, And C.. And i have not heard the board, make any youtube videos, or try get their side told? Atleast not like how steven is doing*

young orchid
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there was a laywer in another channel who did an analysys of the intial court filings maybe?

#

that is what I was referring to

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that guy said there were multiple opportunities to restructure the company and its debt

untold hollow
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I asked bot. what are chances this is true? The answer
The chances of this being true are high enough that a federal judge has already granted a Temporary Restraining Order (TRO) against the board. The court specifically noted that Steven Sharif provided enough evidence to suggest the board likely committed an unlawful "insider foreclosure" to seize the game's assets.
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Evidence Supporting the "Inside Job" Theory
The legal filings and court findings highlight several key points that support the idea of a coordinated takeover:
Manufactured Crisis: Sharif alleges the board deliberately restricted the company's access to cash starting in 2024 to create a fake financial emergency, which they then used to justify taking the game away from him.
Wrongful Acquisition: A judge in the Southern District of California found that the board's new company, TFE Games Holdings, likely acquired the game's trade secrets through an "unlawful Article 9 foreclosure".
The Schwartz PLLC Conflict: Sharif has moved to disqualify the law firm Schwartz PLLC, claiming they were helping the board plan the takeover while they were still officially representing his company, Intrepid Studios.
Mass Layoffs & Shutdown: Immediately after Sharif resigned in protest on January 19, 2026, the board shut down the studio and laid off the staff without the pay or 60-day notice required by the WARN Act.
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The Board's Counter-Arguments
To be fair, the board and their investors (led by Rob Dawson) claim a completely different story:
Mismanagement: They allege Sharif mismanaged the $80+ million they invested and was unable or unwilling to put in more of his own money as promised.
Unauthorized Transfers: They have accused Sharif of making unauthorized transfers of nearly $4.9 million to himself without documentation.
Asset Hoarding: They claim Sharif is currently "holding hostage" critical company records and passwords that they need to properly wind down the business and pay employees.
Current Status: While both sides are trading heavy accusations of fraud, the court's decision to freeze the assets suggests the judge believes Sharif's claim that the board's takeover was at least partially illegal.
Should we look into the results of the preliminary injunction hearing that was scheduled for March 18th to see if the asset freeze was made permanent?
i asked bot again for more yes.

young orchid
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which LLM are you using?

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google AI. the one you click into the AI mode.. And this is last part. Status of the Asset Freeze (TRO)
The TFO Remains Active: The Temporary Restraining Order (TRO) granted to Steven Sharif was set to remain in effect until the March 18 hearing. This order prevents the board and TFE Games Holdings from selling, accessing, or distributing the game's source code or trade secrets.
Likely Extension: Legal experts following the case noted that if the hearing proceeded as scheduled, the most likely outcome would be the TRO being extended into a Preliminary Injunction to maintain the "status quo" while the court investigates the board's "likely unlawful" foreclosure.
The Motion to Disqualify Schwartz PLLC
Conflict of Interest: A critical factor for the March 18 hearing was Sharif's emergency Motion to Disqualify Schwartz PLLC.
The Demand: Sharif's legal team requested that this motion be heard before any arguments on dissolving the asset freeze. They argued that because Schwartz PLLC possesses privileged information from their time representing Sharif’s company (Intrepid), they cannot ethically represent the "hostile" board in this takeover.
Impact: If the judge spent the March 18 session addressing this disqualification, a final ruling on the preliminary injunction may have been rescheduled or delayed to allow the board to find new legal counse

hardy valley
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This is the kind of shit I leave chat for because if I read this I'll start huffing on hopium like crazy 🤣

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Please bring this game back, my freetime demands it

young orchid
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🤣

untold hollow
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Anyway, unless i get anything else, from hearing, of 18, or later.. Nothing i see from the boards move's, make sense.. Not moral, not legal.. I got nothing.. Sure steven could have taken money, he could have not. But while i got nothing yet on stevens mis-deed, or not.. I can atleast point out that boards actions..

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And they kinda look sketchy, if they wanted to continue the game from my point of view..

young orchid
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It sort of feels like he is fighting to save his ass now

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welll that is what they lawyer in the video said

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hardy valley
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I couldn't watch that guy, respectfully. I watch Kira instead.

young orchid
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dunno

untold hollow
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to me, it feels like, if steven wins, game will not just be back on.. But, steven could sue them, for a lot of money, even more if he did not took any funds.. It could basically be.. A lot of money..

young orchid
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What I do know is that I am tired of companies dictating what the "market demands". I've gotten burned on too many games lately. Star Citizen better fucking launch

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hardy valley
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Not that you're guaranteed to get in, but if you did I would extort you for gameplay footage.

untold hollow
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How many millions is intrepid, in value? 140M is said to have gone to investment?

young orchid
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alright, wtf is TOLC?

rotund knoll
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Jason Caramanis, claims to have put in 12.5 Million himself.
His interview wasn't pretty, but he was confident on his investment

hardy valley
untold hollow
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so potentionally, if the Intrepid Studios is worth 100M... that board, and Schwartz PLLC, could be forced to pay say.. 300-400M? OUCH...

hardy valley
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The court would say here is 100M for intrepid.
And then can add up to 300M more. Totalling 400M

But that's Maximum

untold hollow
hardy valley
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Idk if we know how much was offered but someone (Jason said Riot) offered to buy the game.

rotund knoll
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My offer is $10 Billion dollars

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hardy valley
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I should clarify that I actually DON'T remember if they wanted Intrepid or just the actual game, I'm just generalizing.

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Which I should not be doing 🤣

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Yeah, we are just generalizing now.
That would be the day

kind prism
# untold hollow Uh, who offered, when?

In late 2022/early 2023, a "multi-hundred million dollar" offer was made to buy Intrepid (no confirmation as to who, but Jason said Riot)

TFE also apparently have another buyout offer right now, but can't go through with it because of the TRO that's in-place

untold hollow
hardy valley
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I make more work for myself, actually.

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kind prism
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Huh

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Even if Steven did win, there's not really a chance the game gets completed. It'd still take like, $200m to complete it xdd Neither side has the money for it

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Any third-party buy out would almost certainly result in a butchered product

untold hollow
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uh, if steve wins, all the lawsuits.. 300M is possible, since ashes is likely worth 100M...

kind prism
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$300m from where

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that board and the Schwartz PLLC.

rotund knoll
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If the judge decides to award him for damages

kind prism
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What? Schwartz is just the law firm representing TFE, why would they be ordered to pay anything

untold hollow
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That is exactly the core of the legal firestorm currently happening in court. If Schwartz PLLC was advising both Intrepid Studios (the company) and the investor board (the group taking it over) at the same time, it points toward a coordinated "inside job" to strip Steven Sharif of his control.*

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Yeah, Schwartz isn't shit in this place. They are just lawyers

untold hollow
# rotund knoll Yeah, Schwartz isn't shit in this place. They are just lawyers

That is exactly the core of the legal firestorm currently happening in court. If Schwartz PLLC was advising both Intrepid Studios (the company) and the investor board (the group taking it over) at the same time, it points toward a coordinated "inside job" to strip Steven Sharif of his control.* The "Trap": They could advise the board on exactly when and how to pull funding or call in loans to trigger a crisis.* in other words..

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If A and B is working against C.. then A and B, if law suit goes to C....

young orchid
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or something?

untold hollow
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Its simple, imagine this, take 2 countries. and a blacksmith sells weapons to both sides, and both side's find out.. Whats likely to happen? well, neither country is going to be happy. But, in law-suit case, since A helped B, Disqualification Risk: Steven Sharif has filed to have Schwartz PLLC disqualified from the case. He alleges the firm has a conflict of interest because they previously provided legal advice to the original studio (Intrepid) while simultaneously helping the board plan the foreclosure.*

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ouch, thats like saying, hey lets play both sides, whoever wins, i win?.. Yeah, it won't work like that, here because they technically took the board's side in this matter..

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I checked internet, on what accusations, etc is. And checked with Ai, what ai says

young orchid
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Didn't claude pass the Bar?

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Necessary Witness: The court documents suggest that Samuel Schwartz may be called as a fact witness regarding how the board seized the assets, which could force the firm to step down from the case* Not sure how it went regarding that

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I read that the board somewhere, had said, something regarding.. sale? but not that specific? i know, steven said, something about they wanted to however Court findings from March 2026 confirm that TFE Games Holdings had already identified at least one potential buyer for Ashes of Creation and its trade secrets.
The Temporary Restraining Order (TRO) granted by Judge Linda Lopez specifically blocks this sale to preserve the "status quo" while the legal ownership of the game is determined. thats what i got from internet on quick check?

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And here The Buyer Exists: TFE’s own legal counsel admitted during a "meet-and-confer" with Steven Sharif’s lawyers that they were in discussions with a third party to sell the game.

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Court's Reasoning: The judge ruled that if TFE were allowed to sell the source code (the "Trade Secrets Materials") now, the assets would be lost forever, and money damages would not be enough to compensate Sharif if he eventually wins the case.
Strategic "Clean" Sale: TFE likely wants to sell the game to recoup the $80+ million invested by board members like Robert Dawson. However, the court found "serious questions" about whether TFE actually owns the game, calling the board's foreclosure "likely unlawful". * and thats how things are right now..

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Its how things are, march 18, i got no updates, on internet yet.. No media statement, nothing.. Steve said earlier a small comment in here at discord. But that doesn tell me, how things are doing.

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Steven [AoC], — 03:02
Another day, another victory for justice and accountability. * thats 2 hours for me, its 5 in morning here.. i live in sweden not us so.. RIP

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All i can tell, without any more info, it looks to roll in steven's favor..

kind prism
# fervent raft Which one?

The one Steven linked 2 weeks ago in #news

Can ctrl+f the part which says

The Court finds irreparable harm is likely in the absence of an injunction to preserve
the status quo. Defendants are trying to sell Ashes of Creation and the Trade Secrets
Materials that comprise it, and have identified at least one buyer.

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Garman Decl. ¶ 6
(“[C]ounsel for TFE acknowledged that TFE is engaged in discussions with at least one
potential buyer of Intrepid and its assets.”). Disclosure of the trade secrets through a sale
irreparably harms Intrepid through the destruction of their secrecy.

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Nerds

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i give steven 70% of winning, right now, if he did not took any money like the other team is saying. i give him 90%... if rest of their.. words are just words, and not truth.. i don't see how he could lose the court..

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Were all gamers.. So were all nerds 🍻

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Correct. They did discuss sale of Intrepid's assetts already.

And correct that Schwartz PLLC is a conflict of interest, but TFE Games claims that they signed a waiver.

Steven did attempt to remove the law firm.

But that doesn't mean the law firm will owe anything or be sued. They are just a legal entity.
If they are a conflict of interest, then they no longer have to participate.

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Meaning nothing. They are a PLLC law firm.

Worst case scenario, Dawson needs to find a new lawyer for TFE Games.

untold hollow
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come on, think? if group, A and group B, gets legal advice from same party, or rather group, B, come's in to get legal advice from same party group A has been getting for longer*

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Then it is a conflict of interest and they are removed

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Not just that, they were part of starting the conflict, in terms of either how, or part in helping B, get certain info, B did not have.

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Which puts it on Dawson

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Lawyers will always make you sign a waiver to cover their ass in a worst case scenario

untold hollow
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then if dawson signed it, then he's a moron..

kind prism
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That's already established xdd

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If the lawyer is involved in Malpractice, then we have A LOT of legal battles ahead

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However, if steven wins.. As i think he wins, the studio, will likely get a fat-wallet..

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Omg.... wait.. what if... Nah...

rotund knoll
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I hope we get a fat wallet. I'll make a joke
" subscription just went down to $10 a month" 😆

untold hollow
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Now i am being paranoid,and stupid.. but what if the devs, are working on game as we speak, been doing that for months? And this whole court, is just a way for them to keep that hidden?

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month* that will later be months*

rotund knoll
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Margaret wouldn't leave us like this 😏

untold hollow
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not sure, if it meant ashes got upgraded, to what she wants it to be.. She'd sacrifice her ass, for that dream for sure

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steven, care about image?... since when? he care about getting what he wants, image? pff...

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He would sell his image, for a few dollars, if it meant ashes got finished and at level he wants..

rotund knoll
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Are you okay?

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Yeah.. But, whatever happens, i am sure steven is going to win this so called lawsuit..

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I mean for a guy wanting to take over, starting on defence, doesn look good? And i mean that dawson guy or whatever his name was on that part*

rotund knoll
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This is Steven's passion project and he wants to remain the creative director.
I think that was pretty clear with everyone, including the investors.
I can't remember perfectly and I could be wrong here. I think when they proposed the mass layoff, they offered Steven to stay as creative director.
Or maybe it was in Jason Caramanis interview when he brought up Riot Games... they offered Steven to stay as creative director.

I wish I was part robot for this 🫠

untold hollow
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CheekySteven refused resigned same day in steam close down, etc, and instead later filed lawsuit, etc. And now wins court likely, and will likely get millions to fund game further.. typical steven move..

rotund knoll
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It's always smart to talk to a lawyer first, and I am sure he did that before taking all this to court. I am in favor of him winning and being awarded damages.
I just hope it's enough.

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Honestly... the way the court might see it is.

X person took everything away from the employees and didn't pay them. Those people could be suffering or homeless.
So let's take everything away from X person and make them feel the way they made hundreds of others feel.

kind prism
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I do not think there exists a universe where Ashes comes back from this in a meaningful way. Best case scenario is the employees all get paid and whoever was in the wrong regarding what happened gets fucked cause of it, but it'd take hundreds of millions to complete Ashes to its intended final vision, that will not happen. Worst case scenario is it gets sold to some third-party company that monetizes it out the ass for a butchered version

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Yeah, that's why I filled my legendary journeyman bags with hopeum... hopium 🤨

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echo grove
# kind prism I do not think there exists a universe where Ashes comes back from this in a mea...

The game doesn't need 250 people to complete and hundreds of millions.
You can finish this game with 30-40 really good developers/artists in a year assuming you can get them back. Get the augments out, get the skins out that were promised. Animal Husbandry, sieges, get the network team back in, finish the last zone, build and fix questing/leveling progression to max level, fix and rebalance commissions boards. Make the proposed tweaks the crates and caravans. Make sure the harbringer content is fully fleshed out, and all the crafting/gathering/processing recipes/items are completed and items balanced to 50. Add the 2 or 3 more world bosses for the higher level content.

Then launch the game, and start earning revenue and building out the rest over time. Save the next continent as the next major expansion with all the rest of the features promised that weren't completed yet.

kind prism
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Disagree. Launch in its original intended state or don't bother. MMO playerbase doesn't accept mediocrity for new game launches, and a game that has had such a bumpy road as Ashes would need to come out swinging.

echo grove
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Launching in its original intended state is not feasible, and it was never going to happen that way regardless. They were already going to cut the entire other continent from launch criteria and use it as the next expansion.
Also, I disagree with the statement about mediocrity. People want to play a game that actually feels good to play that isn't WOW. That also is a western MMORPG and isn't a p2w game and that shows growth and content promise. The combat in ashes alone drew in a ton of people and was already shaping up to be one of the best feeling combat systems in any western MMORPG, and I guarantee you would have had 200k + players in a non alpha/beta actual launch). Hell we had 30k concurrent with the barebones game that we currently had.

winged trench
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Who cares, crimson desert tomorrow lock in

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so ... the game back online 🙂 ?

pearl hazel
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I mean it never got taken down, I’m assuming there are people still playing it

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young brook
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LFG Fighter 213,7pp

rigid vine
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If you guys are looking for a nice mmo now, feel free to check Ragnarok Online. The game is 26 years old, so there's a lot to do, lots of maps, awesome GvG mechanics, many classes, very dynamic gameplay, class mechanics are top-notch with stats being as important as the skills. The server will be an official one with monthly subscriptions and cosmetic cash shop. That being said, it's not 3D, it's very old school, so not everyone is gonna like it. Feel free to join and do daily check-ins for launch day freebies: https://roz.mygnjoy.com/en/event/prereservation?section=prereg&referralCode=M8R415HT1W

empty pumice
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slate onyx
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out of curiosity, are the servers now dead?

broken junco
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that news update does elucidate on things. maybe.

empty pumice
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Steven posted something in this channel. He is making wins in court.

jolly raptor
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💪

broken junco
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would be nice if we can get back to playing Ashes at some time in the future

empty pumice
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I would not be surprised that we will, the other side have no leg to stand on except trying to destroy stevens image.

broken junco
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the biggest problem as I see it is getting back on development, even if the case is won

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but for now, it's all conjecture and plausibilities

empty pumice
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Well there will be money and the devs that were passionate about the game will probably never stopped working on it. There will be a need of restructure though.

broken junco
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I suspect a team of 80-100 people at most and quite a bit of trimming, if they can get back on the saddle

empty pumice
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Yea 250 was wayyyyyy to much. Having more people doesn't really decrease development time. It's just more bloat and sluggish. Just a good core team that will go hardcore is enough.

broken junco
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Indeed. Focusing on a few key areas would go a long way to drive development far.

mint lake
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Best would just be to outsource it to more affordable places, not sure what was in their mind when they had the devs where they were

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Among most expesnive places in US

broken junco
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Just move the entire operation to the nordics \o/

mint lake
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The nordics? good joke 😛

broken junco
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Arrowhead, DICE, Massive Entertainment, Fatshark, and more, are cause to disagree

obtuse hull
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@vague leaf Hey man, genuine question. If you win this whole lawsuit thing, do you think you can still make ashes of creation to what it was supposed to be? Wish you all the best man

azure hull
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If that wasn't the plan he probably wouldn't have stuck around here i think

limber oriole
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So whats the crack with ashes atm? I tuned out and gave up a while ago but is it still alive and whats going on with the company

broken junco
sleek trellis
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iron field
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💩

pure wadi
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Game good yet or nah?

limber oriole
young brook
green fiber
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Alr I haven’t been in the chat sense it shut down what’s the tea

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gray stone
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Personally, I'm on break from MMOs and just going through Crimson Desert tomorrow. Been needing a break from Hytale for a long while

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young remnant
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i met him a number of years ago. he s taller than me. i m 5 ft six inches tall.

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I d link a photo if I could.

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DAOC 2 would be amazing.

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But I am old and have fond memories of DAOC. Pre trials of Atlantis

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near atlas
# sleek trellis Are you just stupid or what ? from DAY 1 Steven said HE WAS THE ONLY OWNER, no b...

You sure are quick off the mark calling some stupid. People on social media do tend to revert to the lowest form, when they are incapable of a balanced view. So let me explain, when someone says they are "not Pro" it means they are not a fanboi, and when they say they are "not against", it tends to mean they are not going to jump to negative assumptions based on evidence still lacking. Because some people, do not need to be keyboard warriors, desperate for few lines of insults to show how big they are. NOT.

balmy owl
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Someone here shared the case number but now I cant find it.
Does anyone know?

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rotund knoll
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The dark personality traits of sadism are common here.
Misery loves company 😉

It's just a psychological issue that these people have that makes them think spite is righteous.

azure hull
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There is a reason bitching about something or having a hatred bandwagon gets more clicks and views these days

empty pumice
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How about we check what you guys said 10 years ago and if anything changed since then, we will call you liars.

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left radish
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lol you’re pathetic, belief in the dream from the consumer perspective was the non corporate structure that was consistently told didn’t exist over the years. While there is 0 problem with that changing and going in a different direction, saying the opposite to the public would be considered lying to your consumers. Again, clean your face off cuck you’re embarrassing yourself

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Of course he’s not saying that now, he can’t he got outed!!!!

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Receipts are all over for the last 10 years

empty pumice
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Go kick rocks loser.

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And then what happened ?

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Wanna witch hunt some more?

left radish
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lol I’m not on a witch hunt i don’t care either way

empty pumice
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Waw? really ?

left radish
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If the game came back, cool and if it doesn’t, cool. I won’t lose sleep over it unlike you

empty pumice
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Waw, cant wait to read the story in a comic childrens book.

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Need some crayons?

left radish
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lol , I think I found one of the people who have 10,000 for kickstarter

empty pumice
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Waw really ?

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And then what happened?

left radish
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You realized you got played

empty pumice
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No shit?

left radish
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And now you’ll do anything to defend it

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empty pumice
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already ignored him, clearly doesnt give a fuck about facts. Just wants to spew hate like a child.

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# left radish lol, I didn’t say anything 10 years ago. I got into the alpha a month or so bef...

ECF No. 1 ¶ 25
.||Intrepid began acquiring debt financing in 2017, much of which Plaintiff and his co-founder and husband John Moore personally guaranteed. Id. ¶¶ 22, 32. In 2020, Intrepid acquired a $6 million loan from CommerceWest Bank pursuant to the Federal Reserve’s Main Street Lending Program. Id. ¶32. The loan was personally guaranteed by Moore and was collateralized by all of Intrepid’s assets, including its Trade Secrets Materials. ||

Whether you want to admit it or not, there are many ways to say that something is "fully
funded"—with money or with collateral in the form of assets—but the point is, sometimes things happen along the path. Are you going to blame someone for trying to stay the path even when there are things trying to fuck it up?

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Why is it that the noobs that paid the cheapest price to access test seem to be the louded whiners? Is it simply the lack of test time or something else.... 🤔

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lol this is fun, you guys are big mad

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left radish
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If the game came back today I’d play

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You guys are too deep into this 😂😂

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neon shell
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Also in regards to board. Isn't their a difference between a board of directors that can force a CEO and a board of investors? I mean. Shariff basically ran it like he stole it being accountable to basically no-one. No "board meetings" were ever really called or held. In principle was there a functional board until the hostile takeover?

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At least you are consistent with those that are unable to provide valid responses to questions on their claims, cap letters, personal attacks.

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@raina gave 10k to kickstarter too bahahaha. Found 2 of the 5 so far

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# left radish WAHHHHHHHH, big mad

tbh you sound big mad, you provided claims, when asked for proof your argument is "I dont work for you, do the research for yourself." Which is a short way of saying you heard it from someone else, or your just being a troll.

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Yeah to find a rational conversation where everyone is pissed of (for valid reasons) can be quite difficult

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rotund knoll
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Like I said earlier. It's just a psychological issue people like @left radish have to come in with nothing to stir shit up

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I mean it’s fairly simple, Steven came out on multiple occasions and said game was fully funded by him and there was no board from the beginning. Somewhere between the beginning and when the situation imploded there was a board and he told not even his employees. But hey you guys keep defending it. I’m not a lawyer, I’m not on the board. It’s not a troll to just not give a fuck enough to do homework for you. Telling someone to have accountability for THEIR actions isn’t a troll

rotund knoll
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Correct. Funding was 100% secured by him.
Jason Caramanis even says it in his interview.
"I guess then yeah, sure it is his money, but technically it isn't"

left radish
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And accountability also applies to the employees that lost their JOBS over Stevens actions.

twin hedge
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If I said there is no board for a game in 2018, and a board forms in 2019. That is not a lie thats a change in situation.

rotund knoll
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Steven didn't fire Intrepid employees. Dawson did bud

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Dawson transferred money into a new bank and controlled the funding. Nothing Steven could do.

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😆 Do your due diligence

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# left radish I mean it’s fairly simple, Steven came out on multiple occasions and said game w...

I mean it’s fairly simple, Steven came out on multiple occasions and said game was fully funded by him and there was no board from the beginning.

No one disputed this point that I can see.

Somewhere between the beginning and when the situation imploded there was a board and he told not even his employees.

No one is disputing the fact that a Board was created someone between the beginning and end. We have seen suggestions of a memo to employees in Nov 2025 but have not been provided credible evidence of who was privy to the Board’s existence prior to this memo.

Telling someone to have accountability for THEIR actions isn’t a troll

No, but spinning claims you cannot back up when asked for your resource and then resorting to name calling to deflect is pretty trollish.

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Read the part where Steven says there is going to be scrutiny about this because some of these people were known to scam in other businesses

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But you are

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Steven's taking accountability. That's why he has been going to court.

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left radish
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Steven should be accountable for his actions, plain and simple. He lied. If you can’t see that, I can’t help you. It’s not trolling, the data is out there where he stated no board, no investors and on their official website it stated such. He lied, multiple times.

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Have a great day guys I’m out!

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Sure if you can prove it happened, which you can’t cause it didn’t

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There's proving a point, and then their is getting yourself broiled in your own civil lawsuit. Careful.

rotund knoll
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Yeah, I know. But if we just want to fill the discord with bullshit, then I suppose I can just go down to their level.

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Hey, allegedly blackmailing. 😉 I kinda scratch my head over some of the 'blackmail' claims that have come forth.

Dawson might be a scumbag and might have stuck $80M+ into this game but that does not mean the guy had to continue hemorrhaging more money. I can see Dawson asking for more control to continue being the ‘primary crucial debt financer’ that Steven claimed he was.

At some point if the company is roughly $160M in debt with no clear light at the end of the tunnel and you as an individual are up to your neck for $80M+, something has to change. Not sure refusing to continue financing and throwing more money at a struggling game without some sort of additional leverage/compensation is actually blackmail?

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Ooooh yeah! Omg, I glossed right past that 🫠

neon shell
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Ummm, soooo. That certainly was an interview ... OKAY 🤕

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I appreciate the true voices of reason here too 🧡 thank you for the facts

fervent raft
# rotund knoll Ooooh yeah! Omg, I glossed right past that 🫠

I was laughing hysterically during Caramanis's rants as he was providing so much help to Steven's lawsuit. Dawson was pretty triggered with his rants and even after telling Caramanis to STFU, he still could not help himself and continued. Caramanis's smooth brain antics were a literal gift to Steven.

rotund knoll
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👆

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Yessss, reaction emoji just gonna have to be a full comment now 😅

left radish
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💪

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# neon shell I could have sworn he was about to say his discord name before he was like. I do...

I could have sworn he was about to say his discord name before he was like. I don't play games, what's discord?

Right?? 🤣

What was really entertaining to me in one of the early videos was whenCaramanis is caught grooming NefasQS and doesnt realize he is on live stream.

In typical MLM manipulation fashion, the first thing he says when he calls in to NefasQS is about how he is going to get him making a lot of money and how he has plenty of people that want to hire him.

NefasQS immediately interjects telling him he is on live stream. The commentary and voice change where he realizes his MLM schmoozing went live to others showing his grooming tactics was hilarious. For shits and giggles listen to the tone change in Caramanis’s voice (NefasQS's stream titled: Steven Sharif's WORST Nightmare Comes True,) on the transcript part below:

1:411 minute, 41 seconds I'm getting a call from Jason. "Hello. Hey, bro. How are you?
1:501 minute, 50 seconds Good. Uh, you're on.
1:511 minute, 51 seconds I got to get you. I'm going to get you making some money, bro. I got people I got plenty of people that are gonna [laughter] that want to hire you or do shit with you.
1:591 minute, 59 seconds Here we go.
1:591 minute, 59 seconds You are you are on live stream, by the way. Just a heads up. Oh, right now? Yeah. Okay. I'm still streaming.
2:072 minutes, 7 seconds So, you are are you on now or no?
2:092 minutes, 9 seconds Yeah, we're we're live. We're we're live right now. Okay, cool. How are you?
2:142 minutes, 14 seconds Good. How are you? It's just people in the chat.
2:182 minutes, 18 seconds I don't think I've ever done I don't think I've ever done a live stream in my entire life. I don't I don't do that. So, no, you're good. [laughter]
2:242 minutes, 24 seconds So, um So, what do you want to do? You just type people or you know, are you talking
2:322 minutes, 32 seconds on the phone to people or what do you do?
2:342 minutes, 34 seconds I have you on speaker. I talk into the mic and people will hear my voice and they can also see my camera. I'll send
2:402 minutes, 40 seconds you a link.

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Steven doesn’t owe you guys shit beyond a sincere honest attempt at making the game he advertised.

He doesn’t owe you an explanation, he doesn’t owe you an apology, he doesn’t owe you compensation.

Stop being a bunch of busybodies with nothing more to do than expect information and make decisions on things you genuinely know jack and shit about.

If you want to be pissed you lost money, fine. Truthfully it is our own fault, but sure go ahead and be mad. You have had plenty of time to do that, now get a life and move on.

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Tyty!

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Shit, I failed at doing what I needed to do. Can you fix the video above so timestamp matches my transcript?

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Also not working for me

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Oh shit, we can add links

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This ^ is the video I was referencing with the timestamp comments in my post

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can you explain the timestamps? what exactly time is 1:411:41?

earnest cedar
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Hugeeee

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My favorite part is the voice chance with* " Okay, cool. How are you?"* 🤣

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rotund knoll
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This is the same video where he repeatedly refers to his elderly dear friends Tom and Bethany declaring Steven took them for everything they had and destroyed their lives only to surface a few days later doing a 180 on his dear elderly friends declaring them rotten scums and hope they burn in hell after after finding out Steven had been paying them back. Caramanis talks out of his ass

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🧱

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These are my friend!!.......
Hope they burn in hell...
Good friend 🧡

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Has there been an update btw from yesterdays TFO hearing?

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outside of Steven's comment

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I haven't seen the files yet 😩

fervent raft
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TFE wanted the opportunity to argue it verbally which is why the judge is allowing 5 minutes

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but im not a lawyer so I could be misunderstanding the whole thing xD

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I mean one can allude to Steve's comments that the TRO was stayed. But just wanted to see if there was a court document on it.

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whos got the doc, cough it up!

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It also helps in building the record for the California case in case of an appeal in Californja

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If the TRO is granted, we may see an interlocutory appeal on it. That's usually how these cases kinda go. More billable hours for the attorneys lol

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Or even if its denied, Steven will prolly seek an interlocutory appeal

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The TRO was granted already. It is still in place even after the hearing.

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Idk what their filing deadline is in Cali though

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TFE Games was denied the removal of the TRO

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Yeah, but they can do interlocutory appeal to 9th Circuit Court of Appeals now

fading juniper
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Can someone summarize what has happened since yesterday?

dry imp
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Unless there is a local rule that prevents it

rotund knoll
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Ahhh, yes

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I am in TN/6th Cir and thats the only federal jurisdiction I practice in. And Cali/9th Cir is whacky lol

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They are a busier jurisdiction so they prolly got local rules to keep too much shit from going on (judicial floodgates shit)

rotund knoll
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I think that is why there is trying to be a remove of the Schwartz PLLC law firm too.
The lawyer worked for Intrepid, and now works for Dawson/TFE Games

dry imp
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Oh major fuckin conflict there. Unless they use lawyers at the firm that didn't do work for intrepid and can do a Chinese Wall

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According to Dawson, the lawyer signed a waiver to avoid being claimed as a conflict of interest

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.... from my understanding

dry imp
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I wouldn't be shocked if that was attempted, but I have never heard of a successful waiver of conflict. That shit is strictly controlled by the licensing state's Board of Professional Responsibility (or equivalent)

rotund knoll
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Yeah, from how it reads... Steven tried to expedite this to the court for them to look at, but they didn't grant it.

dry imp
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Ohhh so thats what the motions to expedite were about. I never opened those. I incorrectly assumed they were for pro hac matters. But I guess it kinda is lol

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Yeah, I didn't notice it until someone yesterday was bringing up an attempt to sue the law firm... and I did the research.
But the lawyers always make you sign a waiver to remove their liability. So you can't sue the law firm, right?

dry imp
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Lawyers can have you sign that stuff, but it isn't always enforceable in court.

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🧡

fervent raft
dry imp
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But can also be the best, just keep doing what you gotta 💪🏼

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you can catch them all

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Hey guys just purchased Ashes today super excited to get into it!

dry imp
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Ever wanted to wake up and blow your shit smooth off every morning? Go to law school

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this Caramani guy is a freaking character

acoustic dome
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acoustic dome
rotund knoll
earnest cedar