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quick yew
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seems like the neckbeards would def be the 1st kind of people

hexed ingot
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plenty of idiots in alpha 1 and alpha 2

quick yew
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reading what you just said lol someone hasnt drink their morning energy drink yet

hexed ingot
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^this is one of them

quick yew
wispy basin
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Just lemme get my money back king @vague leaf

hexed ingot
quick yew
hexed ingot
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i feel more scammed by battlefield 6

winged trench
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Not liking something you paid for and not getting something you paid for are two entirely different things, you at least got BF6. Nobody got full release Ashes. But troll away

hexed ingot
winged trench
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You poor soul

hexed ingot
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not that poor since im not upset about losing the money

winged trench
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Not able to understand basic English is rough.

hexed ingot
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one day you will be able to

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should probably read the fine print before you buy things in the future

west dew
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Great argument bro, lmao

hexed ingot
sweet kindle
west dew
hexed ingot
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to people like him yes

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SpineShatter:
70 Mage R14 - 60 Warrior R14
60 Rogue R8 - 60 Lock R8 - 60 Hunt R7

Warmane Lordaeron:
6.55 LOD Rogue
6.8 Unholy SM DK
6.5 SM Fury
6.4k Fire Mage

Twow:60 Mage Hardcore 1 Life

torpid burrow
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I can’t wait to get back into this game when it releases in 10 years

ocean sparrow
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Oh man just had a chance to read Steven’s statement. Mixed emotion. While I’m sure the truth is somewhere in the middle as it most times is. He still had a public image problem saying the game was fully funded and never being clear on the existence of the board… he really needs to clarify these points one way or another.

remote quarry
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mods still deleting messages mm

hexed ingot
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just need the facts to come out in court

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you new here?

jolly raptor
hexed ingot
jolly raptor
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correct im not here, but i might

near cedar
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I would love to see these trolls try to play entropia universe and last 1 month before being too broke to buy ammo or weapons

barren raptor
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So what happened? Steven is a hero?

spice hawk
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Love you @vague leaf Good luck!

native sleet
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Can’t wait to play ashes again one day 🤗

cursive urchin
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remove "wait to"

native sleet
jolly raptor
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i mean, somebody could leak all the files

unique ocean
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Alright, time to officially leave this hell hole. Best of luck finding your next MMO everyone.

narrow smelt
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Anyone with a timeline when servers went offline?

mild field
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I still struggle to see how it isn't a bit of financial mismanagement, if he had to get money from VC (which led to this whole bit) then isnt that a sign of bad stewardship of all of the funds they had at the start?

empty pumice
lucid sorrel
azure hull
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they were up yesterday when i checked

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tho SW nodes are dead in many regions

dire crypt
# mild field I still struggle to see how it isn't a bit of financial mismanagement, if he had...

Or just not a great understanding of how much money it actually costs to make a game of this magnitude. The real issue, imo, is that Steven had a ton of ideas, but only the funds to create a fraction of them. And instead of focusing on what he could make, and make that really well...he paralleled a bunch of work and what we got in the end was a series of half baked systems that weren't really fleshed out. If he ends up winning these lawsuits and ultimately tries to make this game again, I hope he has learned that Director of Operations is not his strong suit. Creative lead is where he belongs, and hire someone that knows how to drive programming teams to the finish line and we'll all be in a better place.

terse kindle
hardy valley
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test

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THANK GOD. We're so back. Now I don't have to wait till tomorrow to talk 🥹

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How are ya'll this afternoon?

wet stag
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Proof?

kind ravine
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i aint reading all that, can anyone give a tldr on what steven said? did he answer why he lied about their not being a board and it all being self funded?

hardy valley
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Just read.

kind ravine
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i'll take that as a no, thx

hardy valley
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Worth a shot.

kind prism
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Da tiktok brain

uncut rampart
fervent raft
carmine rock
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any news for the game ?

bitter nexus
jolly raptor
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waahhh i wanna be a little baby that gets stuff done for them waahh

spiral atlas
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"Read me a bedtime story" energy

fervent raft
hardy valley
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Honestly if he didn't do it line by line it might've been easier to digest, but maybe that's just me. I like reading massive paragraphs.

torpid burrow
hardy valley
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Oh servers are down down now?

torpid burrow
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I mean every character I tired on shol was code 37, even in starter areas

hardy valley
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That's a bit sad, I was hoping they'd last until my birthday so I could do a little woo extravaganza type thing, idk.

torpid burrow
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I was about to win mayor too (probably not but I was one of 10 candidates and I was hoping no one would bother logging in to vote)

hardy valley
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I can't believe they lasted this long anyway.

hexed ingot
torpid burrow
fervent raft
hardy valley
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To be honest it's not surprising when you can just peel open AI and make it do virtually anything for you 🤣

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I hate that I live in a timeline where I can peel open AI and make it explain the Ashes situation to me in fortnite terms.

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Someone, please shift the timeline. This is really bad.

fervent raft
acoustic harness
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Ashes of creation Episode IV: A new Hope

I CHOOSE TO BELIEVE !aocphoenix

hardy valley
# fervent raft Just refuse to use it like many of us do.....

I'm being lighthearted, but if I were to answer seriously I don't actually care. It will eventually become a standard everywhere considering we won't just stop evolving. So I don't see a point in kicking and screaming about it.

Edit: Not that you're kicking or screaming, to clarify.

jolly raptor
hardy valley
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I would reinstall to vote for Glop, but I'm too lazy

fervent raft
hardy valley
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I don't either. I think that if we were to use it, then it should be as limited as possible. What I meant by evolution is merely progress. It's, unfortunately, unfeasible to put a stop to that kind of progress because of all the money involved.

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I just hope that certain media doesn't suffer too greatly.

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But in all likelihoods, it's probably a 'its gonna get worse before it gets any better' type of thing.

fringe ore
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No shot the servers still up? FeelsStevenMan

hardy gazelle
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Omg

jolly raptor
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Omg

hexed ingot
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gmo

junior atlas
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you know what..now i love steven :v

jokes aside we need a lot of popcorn cause this is going to be a wild month for ashes with the new patches and updates he hinted a rogue re-work and im here for it

jolly raptor
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🍿

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i was perfect, no rework needed

lost jewel
jolly raptor
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🫦

lost jewel
past hollow
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where did he hint new patches or rework?

snow gorge
past hollow
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ah right thx

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so is Steven just personally liable to his mom or what

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because it sure doesn't seem like he promised the biggest investors anything

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and thats quite the spin from saying there are no outside investors or board

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if he somehow gets new funding he needs to step aside and appoint someone with game experience to run things

hardy valley
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It's so soon to be talking about funding. Right now, I just want to see where we're kicking this whole thing off.

void adder
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are we back yet

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PHASE 8 HYPE TRAIN aocphoenix

kind prism
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It's highly (highly) ||highly|| unlikely that development will get restarted regardless of the route it takes. Even the way Steven phrased his post in #news made it sound like all he's claiming is being able to refund players and pay the staff what is owed if he wins

past hollow
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we're so back guys

prime heart
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never left

hardy valley
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Unless an absolute miracle happens, I doubt it restarting anytime soon after the verdict, if he does win.

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Though if you wanted to lean on the positive side, he would get a ton of money if he did win.

void adder
hardy valley
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Yeah true. He could just win a bunch of money and never put it towards the game lol

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But that'd make me too sad to think about, so I'll just willingly ignore it

unreal crest
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IF Steven ever gets full control the easiest way to make everything whole would be to open source the game for the players

hardy valley
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Imagine that.

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My socks would be BLOWN off, permanently.

plush kestrel
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I mean he spoke a lot about how well the game was doing with the growth and stuff before all this happened. Didn’t seem like he was walking away from it imo. I don’t really care what happens as long as we get the game back I really don’t care.

hardy valley
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^

plush kestrel
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Thing is after all this I really don’t trust the guy but I still think without him he will just become another casual friendly bore fest. So like it or not I think the guys essential to keeping the game the way it is.

past hollow
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it sounds like the money is going to pay back his mom not invest in the game

plush kestrel
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It would also be interesting to see how well a game does after refusing to bend the knee to the casuals because every new game I’ve played for a long time now have all started decent and then gone casual due to complaints. None of them have stuck by their guns to see if the casuals carry on playing or not they just give in straight away.

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First game I really noticed it on was destiny. Then since then it just seems to be the same thing happening over and over again. So many good games have been watered down to ruin.

meager tiger
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How the fuck is he going to say he funded it personally with loans. Loans are not funding it personally you ass hat.

past hollow
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has anyone started a gofundme to rehire Steven's private chef

plush kestrel
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I mean if you take the loan on yourself and get yourself in debt then it kind of is but if shares are offered and the loan is taken by the business for a % of it then no it is not.

meager tiger
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No, it is not

hardy valley
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Oh boy.

meager tiger
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Taking out a lone is not the same as funding it personally

past hollow
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look he promised his mom it would succeed he has to pay that back before she dies

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afaict thats the only person who loaned him money

torpid burrow
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We are going be back bigger than ever!!!! Bigger classes, bigger caravans, bigger exploits, bigger crashes.

timber trench
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I personally say i finance a vehicle that the bank owns and lets me use until I fully repay them rather than I bought a car.

What he said was deceptively the truth at best tho

plush kestrel
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Yeah fair enough I’d have to agree with that

meager tiger
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Saying you are funding something personally, but not saying that the money was loaned in the first place is disingenuous at best and and down right fraud at worst. Especially when you are using that loan to get money from more people

past hollow
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we have screenshots of the investor spreadsheet if he wants to point out which ones were personal loans

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because it lists him as having invested $0

plush kestrel
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Yeah so he’s claiming that the money he got from them is a personal load that he’s invested into the business ?

meager tiger
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pretty much

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All of the loans I saw had Intrepid and it's assets as collateral, so not sure where he is getting the burden was on him not the company?

lost jewel
solemn dust
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are servers offline?

fervent raft
# meager tiger All of the loans I saw had Intrepid and it's assets as collateral, so not sure w...

I have not seen all the loan/promissory notes but did see the early one to Caramanis and pointed out a long time ago that Steven added himself as a 'Personal Guarantor' on this. Right below his signature as CEO of Intrepid, he also signed his name as personal guarantor which means that he and his personal assets were on the line for repayment. I pointed this out as it sort of conflicts with the purpose of an LLC and protecting personal assets. The note I saw was converted to shares so this took care of the obligation but not sure how many other promissory notes/loans were issued like this where Steven exposed his personal assets.

plush kestrel
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If he put his personal assets on the line then why did they pay his house off though ? I don’t understand that ?

fervent raft
plush kestrel
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Yeah but didn’t that Jason say he paid his house off or something along those lines ?

candid pewter
plush kestrel
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Ah yeah I remember now.

safe swallow
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i always found that "Jason" interview a bit suspicious, but haf nothing else to go off of.

plush kestrel
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Man what a messy… Messy situation this is.

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Either that Jason is a total lunatic or he was telling the truth because the passion he was speaking with felt very real to me. He was hurting or at least sold it that way.

safe swallow
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no in between huh?

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half truths half lies?

hardy valley
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When you invest millions of dollars into something and you think you're about to be at the finish line, I can understand putting more work in to just get there and get some return.

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It's not impractical. I mean, imagine you invested 10 million dollars into one thing and maybe, just maybe, you might see even a fraction of that back. I'd rather get some ROI than nothing at all and walk away.

safe swallow
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certainly

hardy valley
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Especially when you consider just how much money that is. Yeah he obviously recovered, but it still hurts. Even just saying it makes my teeth hurt lol

safe swallow
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but illegality versus legality

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we certainly knew where public sentiment was, bunch of hyenas if you ask me!!

hardy valley
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I mean, yeah. It's a given in any scenario like this. Plus it's easier to form a fast opinion and move on.

lean galleon
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I miss Ashes of Creation 😭 😭 😭

dire crypt
fleet knot
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Thoughts on the statement put out???

hardy valley
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Bottom line, people will come back when more news drops. The game is unfinished and still the best MMO I've touched in years. So I'm not extremely worried.

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The only thing I'm worried about is who will own the IP. Because if it's not Steven, or Steven isn't involved creatively, it's not going to be the same game.

plush kestrel
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Yep that’s what I said earlier. Like him or not he is essential.

hardy valley
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The board recognized this too.

safe swallow
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we were led to believe Dawson owned the ip per Jason interview

hardy valley
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TFE is claiming that they own the assets

fleet knot
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They would have to hire more people but the biggest issue is lack of money

hardy valley
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The money isn't an issue. If he wins he has enough money.

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The issue is the staff. You NEED to get at least 1 senior programmer back on the team so that they can teach the code to new progs.

candid pewter
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Where is enough money supposed to come from?

safe swallow
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the game was ready for an update! the money would come!

hardy valley
dire crypt
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Need to let the game be sold to another (non-Korean...no offense) gaming company, let them hire Steven as creative director, and get back to publishing this game. I am ready to get back to testing...chop chop legal system lol

hardy valley
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Actually, I'm not gonna lie, I was enjoying the chill conversation so I'm just not going to talk about it with you. Respectfully.

candid pewter
hardy valley
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I'm a bit burnt out with arguing.

safe swallow
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too much speculating

dire crypt
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It's all we have! lol

safe swallow
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true!

hardy valley
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You guys should rewatch the videos like I do

plush kestrel
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Honestly I think if it does come back keep it small stop adding more content to a game that has so many issues. Fix what you have, get that working and release the damn thing. Then grow the company and create new content etc.

late yoke
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Any TLDR for the mega post cause I didn't wanna read all of it lol

hardy valley
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Read it.

hardy valley
safe swallow
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read it nerd

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read it then come back and give us a summary

hardy valley
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I've never had an issue with studios going dark as long as they share out when they hit big milestones. It tempers my excitement and keeps me from expecting too much.

safe swallow
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then youll know why we said read it

hardy valley
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It's just better to read it because you're forming an organic opinion that isn't influenced by what anyone else thinks.

plush kestrel
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Going dark is better… look at rockstar with GTA. Then look at cyberpunk and how bad that turned out

safe swallow
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never played either

hardy valley
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I dislike open development purely for the reason of expectation.

lost geode
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I know it's single player but anyone checking out crimson desert? sounds like it could be a fun single player

hardy valley
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Everyone starts looking forward, always looking ahead, ahead, ahead. They start being unhappy with what they have, even though it's perfectly fine.

plush kestrel
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You keep feeding the crowds they going to demand so much from you and then you feed them so much you can’t possible deliver just like no man sky

hardy valley
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That's why I like when studios don't do open dev. You don't have to fulfill anything BUT what you say.

plush kestrel
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Just shut up and build your game I guess it that’s impossible when your relying on alpha money to do it

hardy valley
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So you can control all the expectations and make the job so much easier on yourself, and your team.

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Though, MMORPGS are unique to this as they require a lot of money. It would be difficult to do it without open dev

past hollow
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what about Ashes the Pack Mule Simulator do you miss and can we stop making excuses for it not being a real game because its in "alpha"

hardy valley
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Everything.

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I miss everything about the game. I miss just being in the game, walking around, seeing shit. Hitting rocks, crossing the ENTIRE map with my mule.

lost geode
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im just sad it died the same hour I was making the good magic bow I gathered weeks to make lol. never even got to test it out.

hardy valley
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I miss playing bard and spending weeks gathering epics, rares, and greens to make a heroic bow

plush kestrel
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I honestly can’t wait for AI to be good enough to make a real impact with games.

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I hate the idea of AI with anything but gaming. Gaming think it could be a real tool.

hardy valley
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We managed to craft two full heroic petalshard sets and one heroic weapon before everything burnt down

plush kestrel
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I was buying up my mats for epic accessories

last merlin
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get over it, enjoy sunshine

hardy valley
lost geode
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was hoping to get to try out the necromancer 😛

hardy valley
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Why do you think I BOUGHT blackout curtains? God, some people.

pastel musk
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Just read the news. do we have hopium? is our game going to live?

silver reef
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I would say that even if he is not to blame, which we can really only see as the court case work themselves out, he probably is not faultless. There are definitely aspects that should have been made more apparent to the community - especially around funding and access to funds through quite a significant amount of recent time.

hardy valley
nimble cradle
unkempt current
nimble cradle
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This community has always been extremely toxic, alot of the community prayed for Steven's demise from the beginning. Personally, after playing Archeage Classic, I can clearly see Stevens vision and honestly to me it seems he was close to achieving that. I dont think he would be spending more time and money on going to court if he didnt care but the community is going to attack him no matter what.

fervent raft
# plush kestrel Yeah but didn’t that Jason say he paid his house off or something along those li...

Ya, the same guy that was repeatedly telling everyone one day that his elderly dear ‘friends’ in their 70s, Bethany and Tom, were taken for everything they had by Steven claiming he ‘destroyed’ them and never paid them a cent, and they could not come back financially from what Steven did.

Numerous people in this very discord channel treated this as gospel and were repeatedly posting ‘justice for Bethany and Tom’ and even suggested on stream people take up a collection to help these elderly dear friends of Caramanis.

Within a day or two, Caramanis recanted everything he said about his ‘dear friends’ Bethany and Tom after discovering Steven had been paying them back.

His ‘dear friends’ that he knew so well that he repeatedly used them as a talking point in his stream rants regarding how Steven ruined them and never paid them a cent, I guess he didn’t know well at all and his ‘facts’ were pulled out of his ass as he ended up doing a 180 and started claiming they were rotten pieces of shit and should burn in hell within a day or two after making them saints and victims for his streaming agenda.

I did find entertainment in Caramanis referring to them as MLM pieces of shit when you cannot get a bigger MLM scumbag than Caramanis. Well, maybe Dawson but hey, this is who Steven decided to climb in bed with so I guess you do reap what you sow.

hardy valley
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The react is taking me out 🤣

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The speed on that is diabolical, holy lmfao

crystal grove
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he watches

hardy valley
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You've been christened

crystal grove
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btw ty steven the game was so much fun and the best time ive had with my friends in a long time, hope it returns!

hardy valley
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We yearn for Bard Steven

fervent raft
hardy valley
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If Rumplestiltskin actually existed I swear to god I'd sign any contract for hte game

hardy valley
plush kestrel
hardy valley
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Was that the one where Nefas reviewed his suit? I didn't watch that one.

plush kestrel
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I’ve not seen anything regarding them being paid back this is all news to me.

fervent raft
hardy valley
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Honestly, at least I can walk away from this saying I didn't do any tricks on it when Jason started talking about it.

hardy valley
fervent raft
plush kestrel
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Has that coffee streamer guy done the ashes episode yet ? He was asking for info wasn’t he ? I don’t really know anything about him but apparently he’s a big investigator ?

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Dm me them? I’d like to see.

hardy valley
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If it dropped we'd probably know

plush kestrel
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Ah ok so no then. I’m just catching up on recent stuff. At least you can have a sensible conversation in here now.

hardy valley
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Sometimes, yeah.

plush kestrel
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Blew my mind when it all first happened. So many people get pleasure out of seeing things fail. It’s so weird.

hardy valley
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I liked debating with people originally, but now it's just bothersome. So I'm kinda appreciative of how the chat has changed

plush kestrel
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Heh the people in here before could not be spoken to. They wasn’t very smart. True saying… you cannot argue with stupid.

hardy valley
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The majority of the people who want to be purely negative have moved onto servers to talk about it with likeminded individuals, which is ideal for everyone.

plush kestrel
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Thing is a lot of them hadn’t even played the game. Just wanted to say haha I was right blabla. Crazy how much energy one can spend on something you apparently don’t care for

hardy valley
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Life finds a way.

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I'm not pressed about it, but I do dislike when people just form fast opinions and move on. It's understandable. Some people just really don't care that much because there's always something new, y'know? But there's obviously so much more here.

plush kestrel
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Game wise there is nothing new though. I have hardly gamed at all since. Nothing satisfies me and I cba to play old private server mmos

hardy valley
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Sidenote, I really like dinosaurs, so that was a nice thing to click back on.

hardy valley
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Boomkin is good right now, and they say Christmas isn't every day

nimble cradle
# nimble cradle This community has always been extremely toxic, alot of the community prayed for...

I played Archeage Classic a bit after hearing thats where he got his inspiration. It was fun but way to many steps for everything. Then I went to WoW Midnight only to find out they nerfed all combat so every class feels slow now. Now Im on TBC Anniversary which has scratched the itch a bit but id still come back right now is Ashes opened back up and I hope it DOES. I can definitely see the vision.

hardy valley
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If everything had dropped in March I might've shed a few tears ngl

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It was going to be SO good. Literally the entire time I was playing this game I was planning out my secondary archetype and everything lmfao

nimble cradle
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It was definitely alot of fun. With tons of potential for improvement too.

hardy valley
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I'm still looking forward positively. We've only just started the legal process after all.

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I also don't want to doom over my favorite game, that'd be a horrible way to leave it.

nimble cradle
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Yup. I'll definitely be keeping a ear out.

hardy valley
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The 13th and 18th are dates to watch out for!

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The 13th is the deadline for both parties to get their arguments out, though I cannot for the life of me remember if that was purely for the hearing itself or in response to a specific action. It was probably the latter. Anyway, some videos will come up around the 13th, and the 18th will be the California hearing

young nexus
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One thing I have done through all of this, is absolutely ignore everything, every single thing, every streamer has to say. As they are just the worst source of information and have zero importance to gaming.

hardy valley
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Agree. I only listen to two people talking about it because they're just interpreting the legal documents into normie speak.

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Otherwise I wouldn't be able to understand anything.

plush kestrel
wanton karma
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i saw a youtube video thqt elvis presley is actually steven in disuise from the yesr 2032 when time travel was invented, and sent back to the guy who made back to the future 2, but this was before back to the futute 1 which explains many of the plot holes.

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Im not sure if my typos make what i said better or worse..

hardy valley
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If it makes you feel better I gave up reading by the fourth word.

plush kestrel
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I unfortunately read it all

hardy valley
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Did the knowledge enter your cranium

plush kestrel
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I just want whatever he’s on tbh must be amazing

dense hollow
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^ This

broken frost
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this game stopped development or no?

fervent raft
# hardy valley I'll see if I can find it, thank you!

I figured most people trying to stay current on what is happening have been following the filings and stream interviews when I made that post, but I think it is only fair to provide a few statements (taken from transcript from the stream so typing might be skewed) to demonstrate what I was referring to in my previous post and give you a resource to look into this in more detail if you wanted to so you do not have to start your search from scratch.

My point with this and my original post is that when you have someone with an agenda ranting ‘facts’ citing dear friends as victims and then doing a 180 on their ‘facts’ within a day or two stating these dear friends should now burn in hell, we should probably not place a lot of credibility weight on emotional biased statements being tossed out on a stream.

Statements made by Caramanis showing empathy and concern for his ‘dear friends’ on NefasQS stream titled: **Steven Sharif's WORST Nightmare Comes True
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*And if Stephen's listening to me, go call your mom and ask them what's going on with Tom and Bethany, okay? And why you destroyed them. They're not like me. They don't have other businesses. They've lost everything because of you. And they're in their 70s, bro. They're never going to come back from this.
He's destroyed my life and Tom and Bethy's life and so many other people's.
Like he was spending everyone's money. I mean, I know people, my friend Tom is in his 70s. Him and his wife, they have financial problems. They have tons of problems. And you know what he did? That's their life savings. I'll be okay. I'm a survivor. I have money, other investments, and I can Okay, I can crush $12.5 million. I'll have some tax losses for the next five to six, seven, eight years, but at the end of the day, okay, there are other people that can't afford, okay, that put money into this, okay? Yeah. So, you know, oh, and by the way,

Caramanis’s 180 a day or two later stating he hopes his ‘dear friends’ in their 70s now burn in hell on NefasQS stream titled -Steven Sharif and His Husband Paid THEMSELVES How Much???

I have uncovered in the last three days some nasty nasty [ __ ] about Stephen, Payne, his family members, his mother, [music] you know, um, one of the original investors of why I put my money in, Tom and Bethany Alcasm. You know, they lied about putting in the money that they put in. And then they also um you know Steven sent them over three quarters of a million dollars of at that time probably my money or other investor money to give them money and called them consultants and you know you know they're they're pieces of [ __ ] in multi-level marketing.
some other people that I found out that also embezzled money. Um, Tom and Bethany Alcasmine. Um, uh,pretty much and and and you know that they put in money but not what they said they put in. [music] And then Steven was paying them consulting fees, you know, 20 to $30,000 a month
You should watch yourself burn in hell for [ __ ] everybody over. You, your mom, Tom, Beth, anything. They all [ __ ] are all rotten. Your husband rotten.

dense hollow
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Probably the same way you shouldnt listen to a guy claiming victim hood who has borrowed money to the point he has no ownership left.

fervent raft
hardy valley
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I was struggling trying to find the right timestamps

fervent raft
hardy valley
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Thank you very much! I appreciate it a ton.

#

That is so wild. What dear friends they must be 🤣

fervent raft
# hardy valley That is so wild. What dear friends they must be 🤣

Well, Caramanis did state that he only invested after his dear friends Tom and Bethany. Tom and Bethany were Vemma MLM people that were caught up in their own shady shit with a $6.7M judgement in that MLM pyramid scheme whereas Caramanis was the top dog over in the Jeunesse MLM pyramid shit. Like I have been saying, you surround yourself with scum and climb in bed with the devil, expect to be fucked by that devil. The fact that Steven chose to surround himself with this calibre of financial players speaks loudly for me.

pulsar cloud
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are the servers gone yet

leaden glen
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So it's just scammers suing other scammers?

trail furnace
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i hope the chef made yummy food atleast :3

knotty mica
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Damn, I regret buying from the website directly, and using paypal x.x
There's zero chance I'm getting my money back.

wanton grove
oblique cypress
knotty mica
dim scarab
oblique cypress
topaz gull
#

yeah how dare they give out treats!

fickle ermine
#

theres talks of an ashes of creation private server called sharifcraft it looks good

wooden berry
normal quail
#

I always believed in you, Steve. Copy and paste this.

jolly raptor
empty pumice
trail furnace
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if u were a law man what name would u choose? id choose rick

gray stone
#

Fuppo was saying it was too painful for him to come back to this server after all that went down here. We've been all trying to chill in other games for a while

mental ridge
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no more fuppo cookies.......

red dome
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@vague leaf i know ur busy with the court case, can u pelase restart the servers tho? they need a restart so bad

idle hornet
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Steven is out there pvping with bots on the server. Log in gogogoogo

kind prism
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Jason's basically small fry in all this because he's not a member of the board so he doesn't matter much compared to the TFE lawsuit

trail skiff
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so does this mean we wil get our beetle mount after all?

livid urchin
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@vague leaf as gamers, if someone was taking control of a game I liked to play, say it’s called the unknown game for scenario, how could I reach out to the company who isn’t upholding their part as a board of directors to make them try and atleast make servers restart every week?

kind prism
livid urchin
haughty light
tough egret
kind prism
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I don't think there's a universe where Ashes development gets completed though, at least not as intended

jolly raptor
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whoever ends up owning it just needs to have the money and the will to finish it

kind prism
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That doesn't matter tho. Even if someone owns it, they won't finish it as intended, it'll be a butchered mess compared to its original intention

jolly raptor
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yeah but does it matter if its the original intention or not 🤷‍♂️

hardy valley
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Absolutely.

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Otherwise why are you here?

jolly raptor
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no it doesn't matter, it just needs to be close to it

hardy valley
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If you would be fine with the game being developed without its original intention in mind then really you're only here for the dramatics of the lawsuit.

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You're not getting it. The game is so good BECAUSE of every aspect feeding into it. Changing any gameplay aspect changes another aspect, and so on.

jolly raptor
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way too easy

idle hornet
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It’s over .. it’s been over .. I’m just here for the rage

mighty charm
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someone keeps sending me messages called the truth about raina. wtf is this 🤣

glossy jetty
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So why you still here lol? GTFO

#

Hate haters

waxen tundra
silver reef
#

I just hope that someone, ANYONE, who legit cares about this game ends up with it so development can continue and it can come out some day. There's TOO much awesome about it and I've put more hours into this Alpha than most fully released games I've played.

azure hull
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All this legal shit has to blow over to see what will happen

timber trench
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Remember the guy who bought Crowfall and cared very deeply about it? If it’s sold off there’s even less of a chance anything is done with the game.

candid pewter
silver reef
indigo ridge
sharp phoenix
#

Just bought the game boys any class recommendations ?

jolly raptor
vestal yoke
#

Steven and his husband split roasted me one weekend. best weekend of my life 🍆 😫

midnight terrace
#

I think you mean spit

neat ivy
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the slowmode wait time is diabolical

#

oh its been changed cool

void adder
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-# waits 15 seconds to type another message

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DIABOLICAL WE SAY

neat ivy
jolly raptor
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yeah but they got reactions there

void adder
solemn moss
void adder
tidal vector
#

I heard Kickstarter Backer class got nerfed big time

waxen escarp
#

I wonder what kind of hardware you'd need to run the game (such as it was) on a private server.

paper socket
#

We who actually care belive in you steven get this crap taken care of and get your ass back to work. We need ashes yesterday. Good luck sir. May the odds forever be in your favor.

void lotus
#

I mean the truth will come out any way now.

#

And than either all the haters will look like idiots or the other way around xD

valid bay
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Ashes will come from the ashes, ashes will feed the soil and grow to something new. Ashes will flow theough the battlefield of hardships and death. Yet ashes will ultimately give nutrients to the world we seek. So let ashes do its thing, and let’s let ashes fruit again. 🫶🏽🫶🏽🫶🏽 respect for all the devs, Steven, everyone involved. Love y’all

vale wave
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I haven’t checked this discord in a whiiiile and then the wife said “I read Steven’s post”. I was like whaaaaaaat? Has Robert or Jason or anyone responded calling these documents from the court fake?

Not that temporary restraining order means anything other than stopping anything from taking place until all evidence comes to light, but this just got interesting to me again.

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Hopeful that all of this is the true story and that things can be made right and done right for the developers as well. In the end, that’s the biggest tragedy. If all of this is legit, then good on @vague leaf for doing what he can, and for weathering the shit storm of hate that’s been thrown his way.

rotund knoll
vital palm
half trail
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i called it, steven got played by private equity. unfortunately even if steven succeeds in his lawsuit its very likely ashes will never recover

rotund knoll
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Ashes will recover if development returns. I have no doubts.

I hope the former Employees get what they are owed too

misty quiver
wary hawk
rotund knoll
hot oxide
empty pumice
hearty patrol
sage portal
#

Any1 selling rosarium 5 piece set in lotharia?

storm willow
#

Long live AOC!

gleaming wolf
#

I'd be fine if Steve or anybody purchase Archeage licence from Kakaogames, modify it a bit in a good way and lets go. Just humble dreams.

rotund knoll
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Luck is on our side aocphoenix

river estuary
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so after all it was not a scam

#

i readed what steve has written to us

#

kinda like a mutiny

gleaming wolf
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Why would a scammer hire 200 employees and waste 10y of time, still don't get what ppl. call a scam these days.

elfin owl
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don't try to figure it out, just let people say whatever they want

hot oxide
elfin owl
rotund knoll
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This shareholder saw a way to take his money back, not pay anyone, take the company, and make a sale.

The transfer of Ashes of Creation to the new company was illegal because there was no public sale.

The Court Case that Steven filed Saved this game from being sold by the shareholder.
Currently, the dream of Ashes can still become a reality.

hot oxide
elfin owl
solemn moss
#

wts broodling 7g

near atlas
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I hope if all this does pan out as stated, that those who were judge, jury and executioner via social media, pull their necks in and just dissapear. Like anyone who gets how bad social media is for complete bias on either side, I did not call it and sure as hell did not post toxic petty insults. Shame on them regardless of what anyone else may or may not have done. $250 bought me a lot of hours of fun gameplay and I kept it real that it was Alpha and frustrating at times. I have not lost all hope, but if it does return, maybe cut down the marketing and availability of the game until it is a lot closer to being ready for full launch. Then you get to shut the toxic down, or at least smother it.

placid veldt
mystic quiver
#

any word from the devs?

sleek comet
#

They will vigrously fight this out in court until everyone forgets about it.

somber relic
empty pumice
empty pumice
spring moon
spring moon
reef igloo
empty pumice
spring moon
#

most of the bigmouths are the ones that rmt'ed the shit out of the goldsellers 😛 thats why they so but hurt

faint cosmos
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aocphoenix Verra lover

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@vague leaf Come on, my friend. God helps those who help themselves. 💪 🫶

tardy mulch
plush robin
#

Is Steven in jail yet

azure hull
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Over what

spring moon
normal quail
#

I always believe in you Steven, go back AOC greate again

near atlas
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My IQ is definately not low, and I fan boi no one because as humans we are all fallible or make stupid decisions at times. But I guess its just the counter for all the judgemental toxic people on here who don't wait for the full evidence of the courts, which a smart person would do.

pulsar arrow
#

Ashes of revives?

true swift
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that guy just vanished lol

near atlas
# true swift that guy just vanished lol

Well I did say earlier "I hope if all this does pan out as stated, that those who were judge, jury and executioner via social media, pull their necks in and just dissapear". Good job on his part LOL

timber parcel
near atlas
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"coping" with what? Or do you mean waiting for the court findings and full evidence before I form a final opinion. I am not pro or anti anything with AoC, other than idiots who claim to know it all already when it is far from being completely clear yet.

timber parcel
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Court isn’t gonna change anything about the fact that Steven lost his majority of shares long ago. No matter the outcome he no longer has any say in the company. Too late now anyways with everyone having been fired.
Game is done

hardy valley
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I think it's just way smarter to wait and see what happens in its fullest form.

#

I'm not saying you're wrong, nor am I agreeing with you. Forming a fast opinion with the facts you have is fine. But I would encourage anyone to just wait and see the whole situation for what it is once it all unfolds.

timber parcel
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It’s gonna be a good 30 minutes YouTube watch session and then go back to playing actual games yea

hardy valley
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It is exciting, and probably one of the biggest gaming stories in a while. So I don't blame people for wanting to know, lol. I fully admit I am part of that crowd.

#

I also just want to see those MLM fucks lose everything honestly.

#

If Steven lit it all on fire right now and walked away I'd be satisfied with knowing nobody gets a thing.

near atlas
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I am happy to see whoever it was that screwed us and the devs over have consequences. I am just not sure who exactly that is yet and won't rely on any social media to fully inform me in my decisions. The game is dead, although I have been surprised by a lot in life so................

hardy valley
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^

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It would be real nice to play again, everything aside. I really don't give a shit how Steven funded the game or that he lied. I have no problem accepting a lesser evil if it means I get to benefit from it.

timber parcel
hardy valley
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Life is far too short to deprive myself of the things I enjoy just because someone fucked up 🤣

near atlas
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If it did make it somehow and generated an income, I would like to see the staff get recompense for the time worked and salary unpaid however long that takes.

hardy valley
# timber parcel Steven is just like them, sadly

Yeah I heard he did some MLM shit or whatever. I already said my peace on that. It becomes sort of complicated in that sense, but I value the game more than I value the moral outlook of being absolutely and unequivocally fair, otherwise known as fuck it we ball.

near atlas
hardy valley
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It's much more morally easy to accuse the 'enemy' than it is to realize they're both guilty of the same shit. I also just hate debating that shit 🤣 So for once, I'll just be a hypocrite in this one sense and enjoy missing the game.

hardy valley
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God I hope not.

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That's my worse case scenario. I would HOPE someone destroys it all before some grimy fuck gets their hands on this game.

#

I love this game way too much to watch it devolve into some slopfest like everything else on the market.

near atlas
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I would rather it never releases than go to some scrub publisher and become P2W

hardy valley
#

^

#

The only thing worse than a game just completely shutting down is watching it be repurposed to fit someone else's vision.,

hardy valley
near atlas
#

I know that instances/player housing were a priority

hardy valley
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I would've become the most insufferable person on this planet talking about how superior my birthday month is PURELY for all the peak that could've been.

#

I actually didn't watch it in full because it dropped at the start of all the drama and I was tore up 🤣

near atlas
#

Being due to have early retirement in just under a year, I was hopeful to finally have time to emerse into an MMO like some mates had over the years but hey, stuff happens all the time

hardy valley
#

Keep your head up. There's stuff to look forward to in the event this doesn't work out. Although, I'm crossing my fingers vehemently hoping it does work out.

stuck saddle
sweet kindle
hardy valley
#

How about fervently?

#

What happened between you and the word vehemently? 🤣

lost jewel
hardy valley
#

Is that the only original experience left in this world? I might have to hop on that

#

Write my name down in the history books as the only person who managed to break their own fingers by crossing them 🤣

empty pumice
hardy valley
#

Actually now that I think about it I don't think I've ever broken a bone.

blazing blaze
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@vague leaf your explanations are all nice and dandy, but not once have you even tried to explain how we got to the point of those people becoming the board...
If you would not have taken money from at least questionable sources, you would have never gotten in this situation.
On top of that, why did you never come forward saying well actually the company is financed by some other dudes and not all out of your own pocket as many many times stated.
Honesty...that is what many people are looking for, now well you fucked up big time and found out, and still you cant get a simple "Guys I am sorry" out in your statement.
Nobody forced you to take their money, you could have played with open cards, saying well the money gets tight, buy some more cosmetics my player base, or whatever...
But you decided to lie and deceive. Hard to now hope anybody here (minus the copium absorbers) will ever trust you again with anything.
just my 2 cents.

hardy valley
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Ngl releasing pretty cosmetics is a cheatcode

#

Look at those dudes over in Quinfall doused in cosmetics, idk whether you buy those, but the point stands that players will literally douse themselves in that shit just for social cred

blazing blaze
#

quinfall is a shit flat game Ashes had potential...

hardy valley
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I'm not gonna say anything about Quinfall because it's... Not for me but that doesn't mean it's not good in its own way.

#

I just don't like feeling like I'm playing a game from 10 years ago.

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Anyway, mounts, cosmetics/transmogs are such an easy way to squeeze money out of willing people.

#

Though I would hate to see a bunch of wow styled shit in this game.

blazing blaze
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Well at least for me Quinfall is a shit game with flat uninspired gameplay loops and people just floggin to it as there is nothing else on the market that is "new" right now...if anybody wants to convince me of something else, I am free for suggestions.

hardy valley
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Everything is shit in my eyes compared to Ashes.

#

But that's probably like, 50% hyperfixation talking.

blazing blaze
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some older games are good but I dont feel like starting fresh in lets say GW2 or whatever just to close the gap to people playing since years´, not working for me.

hardy valley
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I just couldn't get into GW2.

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I can't go from great gameplay, great graphics, great mechanics, to GW2. No hate though, seems cool.

blazing blaze
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its a shit time for MMOs lets hope Riot can pull somethign out of their head or this bellatorum or whatever gets good... so far some indie games for me :p

hardy valley
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Bellatores is action combat so I wrote that off immediately.

blazing blaze
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tried WWM, graphically beautiful and impressive, but idk doesnt feel and play like an MMO, as it is no real MMO, its some instanced PvE with some battlegrounds and Clanwars that are not fun :p

#

ashes had it all sure there was issues with some of the systems and decisions...but it could have gotten good :p

#

I think looking back, if Steven would have listened more to his senior staff and not jumped from one feature to another...and let the guys that knew what they were doing do their work, we would by now easily be im Beta or softlaunch...

#

but this ship has left port so not much to hope for here in my opinion.

hardy valley
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I wouldn't be so sure.

#

The first and biggest step Steven HAS to take and HAS to prove is that the article 9 foreclosure was illegal/wrongful. If he can achieve that, then my socks will 1, be blown off, and 2, we might actually have some threads to grasp here.

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Regardless though, I'll be here till the very end. It's not that I necessarily believe in Steven, no offense if you're watching. It's more so that I want to trust the courts process and let the cards fall where they may. If everything goes up in flames then I'll wait until someone decides to jerryrig this shit years down the line.

snow gorge
#

I always hear stuff about Quinfall in here, but never anything about Epitome.

hardy valley
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I was dooming Epitome pretty hard but when I reread their Kickstarter it actually looks cool, and the team seems outwardly communicative so that's nice.

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But it's in a state where it looks good, and bad, at the same time. So it needs a while to cook, but their concepts and goals are all very interesting if they can come to fruition.

snow gorge
#

I've seen the combat and looks clunky, with potential of course. I did not like that for melee combos you have to hold left click versus spam clicking

#

I missed the kickstarter to pledge $10 to play... so that sucks

hardy valley
#

Same.

#

They said it's out in 3-4 months though

young nexus
#

No way is Epitome making it in that time. It has a LONG way to go.

#

Quinfall is VERY playable right now.

hardy valley
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That's just for when anyone can play I believce.

wary cave
#

People say quinfall devs are crazy toxic. I watched gameplay and seems very meh.

dire crypt
#

Quinfalls combat is fairly terrible imo

plush kestrel
#

The games dead before it’s even started. Averaging 4k players on release is terrible imo.

lost geode
cursive belfry
broken junco
#

Why do game devs insist on putting out 8 button MMO's? It's just not fun 🙁

dire crypt
#

Agreed

kind prism
radiant stream
lost geode
broken junco
broken junco
terse kindle
broken junco
terse kindle
thick bay
broken junco
#

Did the "new generation" regress because they couldn't handle the amount of complexity older games, or did newer games simplify due to pushed ideas of accessibility, causing regression in "new generation"?

If it's the former, then you are right. If it's the latter, you're wrong. If it's a learned behaviour/expectation, then it has nothing to do with how things should be.

mystic quiver
#

any word from the devs?

broken junco
shrewd shadow
#

The best part about Steven's post is that it could be used as a case study for megalomaniac narcissism.

The gremlin is fully unable to take accountability for anything.

compact summit
#

steven's post is nothing but fluff. its a distraction. he took money is blaming the board, who mind you have been the board since the beginning. hes mismanaged money. HES the reason the dev werent getting paid. HE mismanaged funds soooooo bad that some of them were living out of cars. the board gave money up until they couldnt anymore. STEVEN had 2 homes and obviously embezzled funds. hes a joke at this point. him defending himself is ironic and his WIN he claims is standard for the the property to be frozen while investigations and whatnot happen.

kind prism
#

They weren't the board since the beginning. Dawson only started investing in 2021

Theresa and Aaron also only came on last year iirc

near cedar
compact summit
kind prism
#

I never mentioned him investing, I said Dawson, Ryan, Aaron, and Theresa weren't members of the board since the beginning.

rotund knoll
#

I am glad to see talents here still

kind prism
#

Why wouldn't I be, it's entertaining

rotund knoll
#

Reading and understanding the Court documents is a blessing

kind prism
#

I don't think there's a reality in which Ashes is completed, even if Steven wins (unless he somehow gets awarded $300m or something ridiculous which is obviously not happening).

If the board wins and sells Ashes off then it'll be a butchered mess compared to its original intention, at which point I'd prefer it to never exist

hardy valley
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Big doubt.

#

There is not a single MMORPG out there right now that can give you the experience Ashes can. There is extreme value in this game, and I guarantee you the majority of people here would reinstall the game again and play .

#

And if we're speaking entirely objectively, we have no firm idea of how much value this game has, because it does have value. But that isn't for us to decide.

#

If it didn't have value, they wouldn't have been interested in continuing on with the development like they mentioned a few times. Though, I'm sure their idea of value is different from you and I.

true swift
#

bs, thats what every hater is saying . if game is good everyone will come back and more

hardy valley
#

Just a shame that everything went down like this because the game is SO good.

#

I really would've liked to see the March content. That really would've rounded things out for me.

hardy valley
true swift
#

how about you stop telling people what to do, and maybe move on?

hardy valley
#

I'm just sort of waiting to see how this first step turns out, aka proving whether or not the foreclosure was legal or not.

arctic helm
#

64 class system boiled down to 3 dogshit skill alterations.

hardy valley
#

Waiting blows so hard though. How the hell haven't we invented real life instancing yet

#

I'd like to skip to the good part 🥲

rotund knoll
#

Looks like Killua basically understands the Court files too

#

Nice to see a well rounded adventurer in these parts

hardy valley
#

I've combed/watched through everything.

#

Obviously I'd like Steven to win because I do want to play the game into retirement, but I try to take a neutral stance as much as possible. Bias is inevitable.

rotund knoll
#

Same. Although I should revisit old dev live streams from around may 2024

hardy valley
#

Did you watch the last two videos that dropped?

rotund knoll
#

From my understanding, Steven is the last hope before Dawson does something wrong.

#

I watched every single video... it helped me learn so much about the quests that most people never saw

hardy valley
#

Here, I'll try to summarize

rotund knoll
#

Steven approved my summary

#

I got all the details from reading

hardy valley
#

Fair. Then right now all we're waiting on is the 13th.

rotund knoll
#

Yess

hardy valley
#

I'm really hoping that the federal court retains the case.

#

They probably will because of the DTSA. But you really never know.

#

I want them to because I'm infinitely more interested in this being contested in federal court. Plus obviously they seem in favor of Steven at the moment BASED on the merits. But then again, we haven't seen any proof really.

tight ingot
#

id love to see the project and whats already built not go to waste

hardy valley
#

I think by the 13th TFE has to submit something in regards to personal jurisdiction. I'd need to go reread/watch, so take that with a grain of salt.

rotund knoll
#

I mean we wait for the 13th, and if the neutral party can't do anything, we wait till the 18th

hardy valley
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Well, something will happen on the 13th regardless.

#

We just have no idea what that is. But most of the options don't favor TFE, in fact, they're bad for TFE. Only like 1 thing is good for them

#

Right now he's in a good spot. But we'll see how that changes once the arguments start being provided.

rotund knoll
#

Yeah,

TFE has until the 11th to say why they might need access to the files

Steven has until the 13th to respond

On the 13th they will get a person that holds the keys

On the 18th they decide what happens, or where it goes.
It also decides if this restraining order stays active

hardy valley
#

God I'm nervous 🤣

#

It's so hard not to cope like crazy when I really just want to play the game again.

rotund knoll
#

I bought it for my brother and he still has A1 launcher installed.

I have both steam and ptr version installed still

hardy valley
#

I only played during the steam launch

rotund knoll
#

I took a lot of screenshots and added them to my desktop background

hardy valley
#

I wish I had picked it up sooner actually

topaz torrent
#

I was a few hours away from having double lego weaps when the GM started giving theory gear

rotund knoll
#

The night sky never gets old

hardy valley
#

Crate running was my favorite.

#

As a crafter you find a bunch of great farming spots just by runnin around

rotund knoll
hardy valley
#

I was disappointed when I found out freeholds were taken out at the start of this phase/.

#

But at some point I didn't even notice, that game had me so busy

rotund knoll
#

They had lots of content in Unreal 4 with the kickstarter backers.

Then they allowed Alpha testers in and decreased the map size massively to be The Riverlands

Then Alpha 2 they took a ton of quests out

Then Alpha 3 they took Freeholds out

Every single time, they also changed the timeline...

NPC Quest givers were dead and you could visit their grave. And I was like... omfg, this is crazy! If they never did this quest they would never know how good questing was

rotund knoll
unkempt orchid
#

Yeahh. Tell'em

rotund knoll
#

I miss Thunder.
My Caravan
Braidwood wheels and a heroic terror bird. Add Strider buff and jest. That caravan would go faster than a sprinting player if it stayed on a road

rotund knoll
unkempt orchid
#

🤣 🫡, and Hawk bow obv

rotund knoll
#

Oh yeah, I could get one of them too

unkempt orchid
#

Days of camping --- wasted

rotund knoll
#

Pffft, I got gifted a hawk bow

#

This phase CURLS walking around Pridestrider and Broodling 1 day after AH bench went up. Solo guild after getting some help from our friends in Vermilion

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But I had Pridestrider because nobody wanted to party with a tank. So I went out there with some priorities

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Too many tanks at the start

hardy valley
#

I really liked that this game had you grind mobs to level as opposed to quests. Every MMO is just like, here, do these stupid meaningless quests

rotund knoll
true swift
rotund knoll
#

Alpha 2.5?

hardy valley
#

No, I actually didn't backwatch any information about the game

#

I started playing knowing I wanted to go in blind because I knew it was gonna be good. Anything about the game I know is through playing, strictly.

rotund knoll
#

Worth going to the start of Ashes of Creation on YouTube and watching all the showcases

hardy valley
#

I would, but I'll be sad, so maybe not lol

rotund knoll
#

You get to listen to Margaret though

#

Or Steven who also has a more characterized showcase

hardy valley
#

All I want to listen to is a verdict that benefits me and the continuation of the game lol

rotund knoll
#

I charge $5 for feet pics. But for you, I'll do a 1 time offer, Buy one Get one free

steep grove
#

@vague leaf just release the previous unreal engine game.. Please.. Give em the new thing

empty pumice
misty timber
karmic lance
small lotus
#

Are servers still up?

hardy valley
#

If it really is true that they coerced him and everything he said then we're living in the craziest timeline 🤣

maiden timber
edgy sandal
#

I Still support the vision Ashes had/has

left raft
#

+1

edgy sandal
#

But @vague leaf if things go out how all of us who have been here for almost a decade hope, please start taking action on the bad actors and cut the EA players off the game and go back to how it was before, we would rather wait longer while you work with a solid and secure smaller Dev team than deal with the BS we had to deal with.. if ashes ever has a chance to continue to build that is

left raft
#

+1

empty pumice
radiant stream
#

I tried to see how many came back, but servers are offline now.

willow vale
radiant stream
#

Back to Once Human or Warhammer Return to Reckoning

willow vale
eternal delta
#

Ashes back soon cant wait

radiant stream
#

Most of my clan went to qwinfall. I heard its healing mechanic was like new world and hit the hard pass button. I hated new worlds healing.

#

Is project Gorgon worth picking up?

mint lake
#

I told before and i tell again i wont make up my mind until courts had their say

lunar swan
#

Project Gorgon is entertaining in a different way

near cedar
#

if you have disposable income go Entropia universe

gray stone
lunar swan
#

I've had it for awhile. It is a lot of fun in its own way

#

Hard to explain though

gray stone
#

🤔

#

I'll look into it later on then

jolly raptor
gray stone
#

Lol

radiant stream
near cedar
#

Well Entropia is a Real Cash Economy

elfin canopy
radiant stream
#

i figured when u said that.

restive hawk
hard finch
hardy valley
#

I really honestly don't care very much. I only care about the game itself. Whatever he did personally doesn't matter to me considering we're strangers.

#

As long as the came returns in some capacity, whether it's via Steven or not, I'll be happy.

hard finch
#

Not a bad read about the game

hardy valley
#

And honestly I'm not really bothered by the idea of him allowing cheaters to cheat considering 1. They'll exist anyway (I know, not a good argument, but this is just how I feel) and 2. It's all wiping anyway, so as long as he takes swift and sharp action against it later, I'm fine.

radiant stream
#

yea, people cheating on the game arent a priority to me for entertainment purposes at this point. That can always be adressed and fixed. People running pyramid schemes and scams on the companny and his own "team" trying to steal it out from under him is more of a concern to me at this point and if it will survive.

hardy valley
#

^

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Once whatever happens on the 18th comes to pass, I think it'll be a lot easier to try and predict what could happen.

lost jewel
#

lets imagine for a second that investors tried to take it away.
lets even go further and imagine that we live in timeline where investors were super nice and do not care about their returns and ownership on the game.
rewind to end of January

game has couple millions in steam sales chilling in its accounts.
thats enough for a month or two.

month or two passes. They are out of money. Whats next?

hardy valley
#

I don't want to speculate about money.

lost jewel
#

no speculations.
facts is they were burning 800k per week and there's not enough money from steam to cover further development

hardy valley
#

I also have zero insight into this particular topic, so it would make zero sense for me to participate.

radiant stream
#

ya im on the wait n see

lost jewel
#

I just do not understand how people have their hopes up about continued development if Steven wins litigation, where reality is that - whoever is guilty in all these litigation - company simple do not have enough money to continue development

actually if assets stays with TFE it is even more likely that they would be able to sell it to someone who will continue development (or even continue development themselves)
than the assets staying with Steven who simply do not have anyone to finance the game at this point

willow vale
hardy valley
#

It's because nobody wants to just think negatively about the game all the time.

#

Even if we're wrong, let us be wrong. It's not your job to guide the lambs into your vision of truth.

#

I just don't want to doom about my favorite game, even if it doesn't go anywhere after litigation.

lost jewel
#

thats called wishful thinking and is... well, defintiion of cope

forest surge
willow vale
forest surge
#

You can love what the game was, what the game could of been, and still want Steven held accountable for his fuckery

lost jewel
forest surge
#

You been here for a few months at best brother, so you're simply not as deeply invested as some of us have been in this project. I jumped on this boat back in the Kickstarter days. It ending like this is a damn shame, and Steven should be dragged through the mud, if only for the fact he lied the entire time about funding.

hardy valley
vale wave
#

I mean, one side saying this and the other saying that. If he took debt and personally guaranteed it with his assets and/or ip, then saying he funded it isn’t wrong.

I guess we will see

restive hawk
forest surge
#

A complete stranger who has ultimate influence in its entirety over a product you love. That is something you should be concerned about, one way or another.

hardy valley
#

If it does affect the development, I'll cross that bridge when I get there. But I have way too much to worry about in a day.

#

It's just real low on the list, lol.

forest surge
#

Which is fine, I don't think you should spend every waking moment here like some of the copium huffing weirdos still do, but disregarding the basis of this very messy fight between multiple shitheads also isn't the play

lost jewel
#

and if he defaults on personal debt - creditors take all of his assets
if company defaults on company';s debt - creditors take over the company
that's kinda the subtle difference here

in the end, who is the debtor - Steven Sharif or Intrepid Studios matters
if it is the former; that I agree - its personal financing - cause company still bows only to Steven
if it is the later... oh well, it's hardly it - as the company has creditors to bow to

forest surge
#

A likely outcome out of all of this is that both sides fucked up and both sides ultimately misused and abused the other side, because that's what's going to happen when you all come from the same industry. Neither side is good in this case, and best case scenario for Ashes is that it gets sold to another company that gives us a very different product on launch-- but worst case and most likely case is that Ashes is dead and the tech gets sold

hardy valley
#

It's something I've considered though.

lost gale
#

oh did they remove his statement?

#

nvrmind found it

vernal anvil
#

are people still coping here? XD

foggy wave
hexed heart
oblique cypress
topaz gull
#

I saw the jason response on nefasqs and it sounds like there will be some interesting documents negating steven's latest post. Can't wait.

night socket
#

Scars of Honor looks alright. Anyone peek that yet?

true swift
terse kindle
#

also y art style was terrible

rocky cave
wispy basin
terse kindle
stone leaf
#

it's not very appealing to me because it seems to focus on instanced content, and I'm looking for an mmo that actually utilizes it's open world in the core gameplay loop

#

honestly the wow effect needs to be studied
you have this massive sprawling open world that, the moment you hit endgame, essentially becomes a lobby while you're waiting for the raid group to assemble so you can get into the real meat and potatos that is a 10-25 player instance that's on a completely separate plane of existance from the rest of the world

plush kestrel
#

It’s pve. If your games mainly about pve then instances are great as you can put together all kinds of different challenges and stuff unique to the instance and open world does not matter as much as long as the contents good inside the instances. But if your game is PvP and you start adding instances, it kills the open world PvP interactions almost instantly, finding fights become rarer and rarer where at the start of the game you couldn’t walk down a road without seeing people fighting each other. Then they realise they’ve made a mistake and PvP is dead and then guess what they do… Oh let’s just add instance based arena PvP that will solve the problem ! No it does not solve the fucking problem arena PvP is dogshit compared to open world spontaneous shenanigans.

empty pumice
empty pumice
# stone leaf honestly the wow effect needs to be studied you have this massive sprawling open...

End game in all mmos are fucking boring as hell. Tbh the raid content in mmos are useless. Just another linear leveling system that have no impact. The idea behind ashes is more interesting because if you don't do the raids, it could destroy your home town and you would lose your shit. Its fight or lose everything. While raids in wow and other mmos have no impact at all, the only incentive is another leveling system 🙄

#

and then the expansions they give, is just more leveling. no thanks, im done with that.

stone leaf
#

I mean that's kind of the flaw with vertical progression systems, and that's the defining factor of all mmos
one thing that bothered me about the idea of ashes is that the main appeal is castle sieges, node sieges and grand pvp events that have meaning
but as someone who's not levelcapped you have no business engaging in that content because you'd just get one-shot
on top of that, ashes was advertised as a game that would take a long time for a character to reach level cap

#

but we're so used to the idea of a d&d-centric leveling system in mmos that we couldn't imagine an mmo without it at this point
fun thought experiment though, how would an mmo without levels work

empty pumice
# stone leaf I mean that's kind of the flaw with vertical progression systems, and that's the...

That is fine being one shoted. you should not belong in a fight when your seniors are fighting, but you can contribute to the war differently. You can scout, you can gather information, you can gather materials, etc. Not every war is fought in a fight but also a lot of logistics and preperation and information gathering. The most dangerous people are the people you expect to be useless.

#

A war is never won by casualty count but by morality. If you can break the moral of the other team, you win.

#

You should try out the game Foxhole. This shows it perfectly. you need a lot of people to do logistics or there are no tanks in the front. What will you do as infantry if the other team has 100 tanks.

lost jewel
feral sable
#

do people still play ashes ? or it's dead and gone

empty pumice
lost jewel
empty pumice
#

Well, life is about taking a beating and you standing back up. If you give up after something as that, you got life figured out completly wrong. Might as wel not even start playing and go play with a figget spinner.

lost jewel
empty pumice
#

Fair i get it, why even make other games then candy crush then ? Or figget spinners ? Why even have hardship in games.

stone leaf
#

beating a hard boss gives you seratonin and makes you feel good about it
being made to refarm your gear/rebuild your house in a different node does not

empty pumice
#

the biggest games of all time is elden ring and the souls games ...

lost jewel
empty pumice
#

are they easy ? no. Do they have hardship ? fucking yes. Same with cuphead.

stone leaf
empty pumice
#

yea even im playing minecraft right now... building difficult contraptions is awesome ... spent weeks already trying to make it work.

#

im almost there 🤣

lost jewel
empty pumice
#

"depends on frequency though, if you give it time to build up, and let people be able to level from 1 to level 50 before shit like that happens, i think it would be fine."

Il just quote myself

lost jewel
empty pumice
#

frenquency of attacks. Yes, if your base can get attacked every weeks and destroyed then yes, it would be a hassle. But if you give it time to build up and you give mutliple chances to kill the raid boss ...

lost jewel
empty pumice
#

well, it wasnt implemented yet and it still needs to be tested and balanced

glossy niche
rotund knoll
thin fiber
narrow egret
#

I truly hope the best for the team at Intrepid, may david take down the goliath once more

leaden wave
#

is ashes still a thing or ?

tardy mulch
hardy valley
wanton karma
#

I look forward to when ashes revives and there is a pushover of a raid boss with terrible loot called "Dawson" just to incorporate this saga into the game lore NikLULL

lost jewel
#

How’s ashes would revive even if Steven wins the lawsuit? He has no financing

wanton karma
#

idk man i just work here (or at least i'd love to)

wispy basin
hardy valley
#

I don't spend money with the intention of getting it back.

pine plume
wispy basin
hardy valley
#

I got a product. 500 hours of a product.

#

I'm perfectly happy with what I got. Would it be nice to play more? Yeah. But I don't feel stolen from whatsoever.

#

Don't project your woes of being 'stolen' from onto me 🤣

wispy basin
#

If that’s the case, I have a really cool project you should come support. You seem like an easy lick.

hardy valley
#

Why do you seem so angry? You don't need to advocate for how I spend my money.

#

You literally did the same thing. The only difference between the two of us is that one of us isn't whinging over money. Don't spend money if you can't afford to spend it.

empty pumice
empty pumice
wispy basin
wispy basin
coarse birch
#

Jeeze people are still wringing their hands over “losing” their money and not getting the expected value of playtime? The world is gunna be a rough place if/when they step outside their four walls. This stuff happens all the time. Least you didn’t lose millions like the investors and thousands like the developers. Take the L and move on.

hardy valley
#

I don't give a shit about your principle. You're actively trying to shove this idea that I got 'scammed' onto me when I'm pretty sure you're the only one who did considering you're so mad 🤣

#

I didn't invest hundreds or thousands of dollars to the project. I got off easy compared to some people. I consider that a win.

hardy valley
wispy basin
hardy valley
#

Yeah, because I'm not super wrapped up feeling wronged like a lot of people. I just want to relax at the end of a long day and play a game.

#

This game happens to be what I was enjoying, so obviously I would like to play it again. I'm not super pressed about what he did, we're going to find out eventually anyway.

hybrid quartz
#

dropped $250 on this game for me my buddy and my wife never asked for a refund didnt care about it. if steven gets the game back and development continues Ill buy it again if I have too

hardy valley
#

So I don't see a point in getting all riled up right now when we don't even know everything.

wispy basin
#

Erm… Right, that’s my cue honestly. Lmk when your wife free I guess since you enjoy being cucked or whatever

hardy valley
#

This guy is such a pathetic loser 🤣

#

Go apply for part time at Mcdonald's since you're hurting so bad bro. I'm sure they need you for lunch service

empty pumice
hybrid quartz
hardy valley
#

I'm glad I didn't spend more than 100, but even if I did I'd probably buy it again. I miss the open world

#

I didn't even get to 25 because I was so busy doing professions

empty pumice
pine plume
#

My principle is to not stress over $100 dollars that I spent for the alpha access.. I played about 100 hours... the game died.. I am over it! It is called disposable income! Key word here is "disposable"! When I was younger I could not afford it, but now that I can, after I have met all my other financial responsibilities, I do not care about "losing" a few dollars.

If the issue is the $30, then maybe you should have not spent them on a kickstarter

hybrid quartz
#

the principals of the game were just so different and engaging and only for an alpha i need this to continue

hardy valley
#

I couldn't imagine rushing. The game had so much to do with JUST crafting that even though I played for a degenerate amount of hours a day I could barely scratch the surface, and I LOVE that.

hybrid quartz
#

they just needed to take a stronger stance on banning which they were finally getting into and the game would have been cleaned up

hardy valley
#

I wasn't too frustrated over the cheating and whatnot considering it's all wiping anyway. But I do think it would be beneficial to outline an actionable system against that kind of thing.

hybrid quartz
#

lot of features needed improving but ill deal with the bugs

empty pumice
#

people need to chill with the banning, the game isnt even out yet and people pretended it was the full release already and started bitching about the economics .... of an alpha test version 🙄

hardy valley
#

I actually didn't encounter any bugs but falling through the ground sometimes.

#

I felt like I had a really smooth experience compared to a lot of people I saw typing in here before the big boom.

hybrid quartz
empty pumice
#

they still were building the systems and people were complaining about balance ... of what ? of unfinished systems ?

mint knot
#

can't wait to request my refund for Ashes of Creation 2

hardy valley
#

I'm never surprised when I see a lot of negativity, but in this case I understand why people can find justification in it.

empty pumice
#

nah, people just wanna bitch as usual

mint knot
#

killua out here defending this game like his life depends on it

steel wing
#

@empty pumiceThe lady doth protest too much, methinks...

hardy valley
#

I'm a girl, and if you call it defending sure. I do really like the game.

#

I miss crafting and muling. How the fuck else am I going to waste my time

mint knot
#

lol

empty pumice
hardy valley
hardy valley
empty pumice
#

The fact that people that hate the game are still here bitching about it, is the epitome of idiocracy.

hardy valley
#

I really like their rarity system and how you could mix rarities to still achieve a higher variant.

#

I get it. What else are they going to bitch about? Gaming is so dry right now, this was the best thing out imo.

empty pumice
hardy valley
#

I've already played most MMOs to death at this point, and that's my primary genre, so honestly maybe I should start dooming because it'll pass the time till the 18th lmfao

frail hazel
#

I've been silent the entire time. Just been reading this here and there when I have time, and it looks like if anything this is weeding out all the negative personalities. If this makes a comeback it'll be a much more chill experience.

hardy valley
empty pumice
hardy valley
#

I was mass producing high rarity bars, and as you know to make a bar it's 2:1. I needed hundreds of bars.

empty pumice
hardy valley
#

Wait, is that the bar recipe? Shit I don't remember anymore. I think it's 2 cop 1 frag

#

Anyway, point being, I was in the trenches and I loved it. Wish I could do it right now.

frail hazel
hardy valley
empty pumice
hardy valley
#

I love foxhole, and I play Hearts of Iron too

#

A while ago I actually revisited some of the Warhammer games. There is genuinely nothing more enjoyable in this life than playing Skaven and shafting everyone relentlessly

#

You might want to try The Farmer Was Replaced.

empty pumice
#

i'm mostly doing minecraft latetly, there is a crazy ass logistics mod for it. Ever heard of create?

hardy valley
#

Me and my father have a Minecraft server for his wow guild and we have Create, Applied Energistics, Mekanism, and a ton of logic/pipeline mods too.

empty pumice
#

oooh nice !

hardy valley
#

I custom made it with like 300 mods in it.

#

You should try a newer version, Create has the most insane additional mods

#

You can make trains and even fully pivot into an oil powered factory, it's awesome

empty pumice
#

yea im using the last version of it. love the frog ports.

hardy valley
#

If you like that kind of stuff, consider Satisfactory.

empty pumice
#

Im mostly working on creating a automatic mining machine, if specific resources gets low it goes out to mine.

#

yea i checked it out, wasnt my thing.

hardy valley
#

That's awesome! I built this massive energy plant that powers all the machines we use. We literally have this thing that can clone items, or craft you anything from thousands of dirt.

#

We also have this super computer that can locate any item in any chest via pipes and bring it to me

empty pumice
#

hahaha, that must have taken quite a bit of time !

hardy valley
#

Well, I've got nothing but time now 🥲

empty pumice
#

thats fair, but i will always believe in the game, the code exists enough to stop it now.

hardy valley
#

My hyperfixation wasn't to the point of just playing for unfathomable amounts of time every day. I'd listen to Ashes content literally nonstop, so now it's just weird to not be doing it

empty pumice
#

yea i get that. was nice.

hardy valley
empty pumice
#

yea same here. No one else had the heart into it like steven did.

#

Lol the moment they heard you were a girl, they all went very quite. 🤣

near atlas
#

I tend not to focus too much attention on individuals on projects, being human we all screw up even when unintentional. Bad decisions can be made. But the premis of the game is worth not giving up on, although I will not be 'hanging on' for it, I will move on with the limited other options available. I would be happy to return if it does see the light of day again.

hardy valley
#

Usually I just pretend to be a man because it's so much easier.

hardy valley
solid dust
#

There is light in the tunnel guys ! AoC may survive hard times

hardy valley
#

If there's something to be angry about I'll get angry when I hear the verdict.

near atlas
# hardy valley Usually I just pretend to be a man because it's so much easier.

Being a female gamer and guild lead, is a bit like being a female in politics. You are either climbing the ladder due to lady bits and eye lash flutter, or you are a hard bitch. It is very hard to get guys to see you the same as they would each other. Certain females I have played with have not made that easier for the rest of us being fair; 'a lot of eye lash fluttering', and see so so many guys fall for it.

hardy valley
#

Agree. Some people make this shit so much harder for those of us who just want to play, normally, like adults.

#

Why do you think I have that comment in my profile? It's so much more common than people think to have incels in your DMs talking about the most pathetic, loser shit I've ever witnessed 🤣

empty pumice
hardy valley
#

I don't bother acting nice anymore honestly. I act respectful, not nice.

#

Because if you're nice, it's misconstrued. But if you're rude, you're a bitch. So I tow the line.

near atlas
#

Oh have kicked another female from my guild before now for stalking the guys with photos on Skype at the time. It made a change for the guys to be complaining about it LOL

hardy valley
empty pumice
hardy valley
#

What are we even doing out here? Like, what the FUCK is the thought process 😭

#

That's the thing too. A lot of people forget that some women are literally batshit insane.

#

I've come across some of the most... Unreasonable, let's just say, women in my short life.

plush kestrel
#

A lot of women are bat shit insane. Poisonous creatures.

hardy valley
#

I pride myself on the fact that I temper my innate rage with food and.. Videogames.

near atlas
#

Oh yeh likewise, but also the guys who pretend to be female always gets me

empty pumice
hardy valley
#

HAH, I'm not gonna lie I wish I could have that experience considering I always pretend to be a dude.

hardy valley
#

Some of us are operating on a different plane, I can't explain it.

#

I genuinely find it crazy how some people move without respect and caution. Some people do not value their lives.

empty pumice
#

tbh, its because internet gives them secrecy because they know if they pulled shit like this in real life, they would get a hard beating.

hardy valley
#

The internet made people way too confident.

near atlas
#

Life sure was simpler before the i-net

hardy valley
#

I'm not a violent person because I grew up in the ghetto. Bars on the windows, whole house fenced in, padlocks on the doors. That's how bad it was where I lived growing up, so I understand the cost of chosen words and the possible violence that might follow them. So when people hop online and spout shit so easily I just cringe.

empty pumice
#

tbh, its social media that is the problem, cant wait for that to dissapear again

hardy valley
#

I have witnessed far too many people get corrected over the course of my life, and not in a fair or pleasant way, so I respect the words I speak SO MUCH more now.

near atlas
#

AI has and will become a major problem, you already cannot always tell what is real or not anymore

hardy valley
#

AI is an issue, but I just can't get upset about it anymore. It feels inevitable.

plush kestrel
#

AI just needs to hurry up and get to a point where games take a month to make instead of a 5+ years

near atlas
hardy valley
#

If you just take a moment to reflect on our history, it's insane how fast we've innovated.

#

Humans are a detriment to themselves. We are so progressive, it's great! But then you look at the products of that progress and realize.

near atlas
#

I teach and try to explain to my 20-21yo students that I lived before mobile phones, and that their phones have mega more capacity than my first proper PC

#

they do not understand

hardy valley
#

I'm the same age as your students, but I was raised by my grandmother so I was exposed to way more obsolete tech.

#

I actually still have old Disney VHS tapes in storage.

stoic plinth
hardy valley
#

I'm just glad that I was born now rather than later. I got to experience the 2000s, the best years imo

stoic plinth
#

2000-2010 was prime, ngl. Simple life, the sprout of technology but without the toxic mega corpo aspect of it

near atlas
#

My first mobile was a small flip top Motorola and I had to keep changing ears as it made my head warm - oops

hardy valley
stoic plinth
hardy valley
#

He passed away 2 years ago. I've never met anymore more intelligent.

hardy valley
#

I really want to buy one just for the novelty of it.

near atlas
#

My friends dad who was well off had the first one I saw, it was the size of a brick and the battery was in a case he had to carry around

hardy valley
#

🤣

#

God, that would've been nice. I drop my phone so much

stoic plinth
#

I've never seen any of those in real life lol

hardy valley
#

I've seen a lot of dated machines, like candy makers. I watch restoration videos a ton

#

It's really cool to watch these old things, I mean, some pushing 200-300 years is relatively well in tact.

#

They should make things sturdier like that again

near atlas
#

So little gets repaired these days, it is all just replaced as if we have endless resources

#

IMAO some of us having a reasonable conversation, no toxic or bitching or point scoring. I expect the moderators are checking they are in the right channel 🙂

hardy valley
#

Lol, these moments are rare.

empty pumice
#

They have already noticed that it is not Improving

rustic lava
hardy valley
#

Someone help me please god, I'm indecisive and desire to spend my money. Qdoba or Chipotle

rustic lava
#

Grocery store

hardy valley
#

I'm not going out into the world.

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I'm an MMORPG gamer, how long do you think it's been since I've seen the sun? 🤣

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I'm kidding, unfortunately I am forced to see it daily. Anyway, back to the important question. Qdoba or Chipotle?

rustic lava
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Grocery store

hardy valley
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Okay, someone who can read, Qdoba or Chipotle

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I cook every day of the week, I'm getting takeout damn it

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Let me be free 🥲

near atlas
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Getting takeout also I think tonight 🙂

hardy valley
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Whatcha gonna get?

near atlas
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Thai king prawn green curry, jasmine rice and some noodles I think

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and you ?

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Always Mexican or?

hardy valley
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Well, I've been craving it bad since I moved away from Miami but I haven't found a good spot near me.

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So this is the closest I can get even if it's nowhere near authentic.

hardy valley
tropic portal
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I’ve just combed through the legal files related to the case involving intrepid . I suppose at this point it appears as though Steven is simply seeking to clear the narrative regarding the events that transpired and have damages paid back to intrepid to remedy financially the wrongdoings of EFT and the board to give justice to the other equity holders . Correct ? The damage has been done to the company and its chance of launching so I don’t see that ever being revived . I’m happy with the experience I had with ashes but it doesn’t take away from the fact that clearly we were lied to when we were told there was no board and that it was solely funded ; there is still guilt on both parties here . Disappointing. I can see both sides of this coin , huge investment with limited return for years causing financial pressure would eventually bring forward some drastic decisions to be made ; albeit I agree this plan was not legal in the form of the asset strip article 9 foreclosure .

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Lawyers will win in this case . Always the ones to make it out ahead lol .

mighty tinsel
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the people with the largest investment have been in it the shortest time

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They only started investing around 2021, and most of the amounts have been 2023 onwards

unreal otter
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they would never be backet in the first place if they say they have investment many of us backet because they dit not have investor

near atlas
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Yay Mods, I love how this has become an adults only channel 🙂

hardy valley
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Whoever added doubledash to doordash is a sick person, I should never be given this much unchecked power

rotund knoll
hardy valley
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Whatever you just said, absolutely.

rotund knoll
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It's fantasy comedy on YouTube
video games in real life basically... but very confused NPCs

rustic lava
elfin canopy
hasty abyss
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Is this game still up?

umbral tree
open ice
rotund knoll
torpid burrow
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Are we back yet chat?

past valley
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anyone give me the TLDR on that post made recently... most of it seemed like cap so stopped reading.

kind prism
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tl;dr is court issued Steven's TRO to stop TFE from selling the game or getting access to it, claims innocence, says the court will show the truth

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Tomorrow at 9am PST there's a big court case happening in Nevada which will be interesting. Then the 11th and 13th have big info drops or something, and the 18th is another court date in Cali

rustic lava
fervent raft
past valley
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I mean he don't have a case right? like in debt, spending more money than they bringing in... whats the point of legal fees

autumn arrow
kind prism
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I recommend just watching the 2 Ashes vids Kira put out this week

past valley
kind prism
autumn arrow
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steven please stream it from your twitch 🙏

lean galleon
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I want to try the new McDonald's Arche Burger. 😋

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😋

rotund knoll
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I had 1. That was enough.
My opinion was that It doesn't have a good unique flavor.
Mine also had a cheese/grease/oil sludge that was less than appetizing when I got to the center of the sandwich (looking at it had me questioning if I should finish it and risk a heart problem)

fervent raft
past valley
kind prism
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Depends what you mean by "actual developers". There were at least 210 people working there that have been confirmed (might have been 220, can't remember if the 10 fired in early January were counted)

gray stone
edgy sandal
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ive been mulling it over the past few days and i kinda want to slap steven for one particular part of his most recent post

"I recognize something else that has been difficult for many of us to watch over the past month. Ashes of Creation has always had skeptics and critics. That comes with attempting something ambitious in a space as challenging as MMORPG development."

my gripe on it is, yeah the game has always had skeptics and critics... but Steven was straight up coddling and ball fondling some of the biggest critics and bad actors that ashes had with in the game. he and the devs spent so much time sucking off polar, bardcode, nova, enveus and the like, like was it jsut pure willful ignorance on his part or did he have some savior complex like "If i treat them well then maybe theyll stop doing everything in their power to break and ruined this project" type situation?

fervent raft
# past valley I mean... I'd like to know how many actual developers they really had... patches...

I think many of us suspected that bad decisions were being made that resulted in delays and setbacks due to Steven having no game development background. Some of us even suspected financial problems but not certain many were aware of the extent. I wish they would have followed a much more limited path like a few other games where smaller map areas and mechanics are focused on and released and then maps and/or additional mechanics are updated later down the road. Instead, the development seemed a bit scatteredbrained and all over the place (think Veruca Salt, I want this and this and this right now!) which I am sure caused delays and issues with some of the development of core features.

radiant stream
sage mountain
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and now its the opposite

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@vague leaf As much as I wanted this game to be released, I am not certain the reason for the thumbs down. Is it because you think there is a chance of release or that you disagree with my suggestion that a more narrow approach to development could have seen an earlier release which could have helped continue to fund further development? You cannot deny the part about the bad decisions when you surrounded yourself with the likes of Dawson/Caramanis ect and you are in the position you are in right now.

fervent raft
lethal sun
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MMOs really struggle to get out of the oven these days.

Honestly at this point I feel the only reason you would make an MMO. Is if you consider the monetary value of your project as secondary. Most of them never manage to break even so the only drive you may have is the creative value of wanting to make a project like that.

lethal sun
hardy valley
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Since there seem to be some veterans here, does anyone happen to know why the UE5 switch happened? Was it purely for aesthetic purposes or something a bit more serious?

radiant stream
# fervent raft Well, you are talking to someone that purchased an early package (prior to AoC p...

heh I was a 17 years sub for DAOC. Their bad buisness model after Sonja hurt em. Carol looking the other way on live streams while people were calling out cheaters and it being visible and picking to give others suspensions for something they neglected to correct on their end by simply saying, " your an adult, you know better." That also fell into the cheaters her son ran with but she looked the other way that rarely got a ban. Sorry for the tanget. I almost got in on it but I wasnt happy at the time with DAOC, and what MJ did with Warhammer Online to trust him. How is development going ? I forgot about it until u mentioned it.

fickle shard
fervent raft
fervent raft
radiant stream
gray stone
fickle shard
# fervent raft > AoC on the other hand appeared to have all bets covered. I think AoC was a be...

Somewhat same.

Ironically, AOC doesn’t fit what I want as an MMO, but I did wanted the project to succeed because I do think that sort of game should exist within the ecosystem. The fact that all of this happened kinda question my own choices, but at the end of the day, when you put money on a project like that, you gamble on chance more than anything.

For now I have failed my gambles. I do not think the project is 100% doomed however and I shall simply observe how it evolves.

gray stone
fervent raft
# gray stone Yeah. IT's rare that I back games. Ashes was one of those, in the sea of KS MMOs...

I have not even attempted to refund camelot unchained. 🤣 Crowfall was the largest investment I made in a game. I did like it a lot and felt that game had a lot of potential but they didn't listen to really important feedback such as having small server size with large clan size locking out servers for raids ect and the game went downhill quickly. Still enjoyed the game but ya, definitely spent way too much on that one.

gray stone
fickle shard
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It is what it is. We, as players, I think, can only watch to see how things develop over time and chill in other games. I just hope most people here were able to get their refund within reasonable time frame.

gray stone
fervent raft
# fickle shard Somewhat same. Ironically, AOC doesn’t fit what I want as an MMO, but I did wa...

For now I have failed my gambles. I do not think the project is 100% doomed however and I shall simply observe how it evolves.

Even though I do not see the light at the end of the tunnel with what I see in the filings, I would never criticize anyone that wants to believe it will release. Anyone that is 'hoping' for the demise of this game needs a little self-reflection.

The hearing tomorrow could be huge. I think there could be a ruling on whether the article 9 foreclosure was legal and whether Nevada even has jurisdiction.

I asked that Caramanis scumbug a few times during his thug ranting in streams why Dawson filed in Nevada and he claimed Steven lived there but could not answer when he moved or what this had to do with Intrepid. If they rule the article 9 foreclosure illegal, that likely removes Nevada from having jurisdiction and fucks up the FTE filing.

fervent raft
topaz gull
gray stone
karmic wolf
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I am interacting more with humans after the fall of Ashes. I think this was good.

alpine jewel
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So.. any news from the past 2 weeks?

jolly raptor
solemn moss
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Wts broodling 7g

kind prism
# alpine jewel So.. any news from the past 2 weeks?

Other than what's in #news not really. There's a court hearing tomorrow at 9am PST (15 and a half hours from now) in the Nevada court where there are basically 3 or 4 outcomes

  • Judge converts the TRO into a PI which is worst case scenario for Steven
  • Judge maintains the status quo TRO which is a win for Steven
  • Judge dismisses TFEs case for jurisdiction which while unlikely, would be the worst possible case scenario for TFE
alpine jewel
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i see, cool cool thanks ❤️

lethal sun
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TFE is the Board basically.

TRO is temporary restraining order

PI is preliminary injunction

sharp ledge
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the argument for lack of standing in NV seems pretty decent in my non-educated opinion

kind prism
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Worst outcome for TFE is if the judge goes "why the fuck are you holding this case in Nevada? I'm dismissing this court case as it shouldn't be in Nevada", in which case Stevens California case becomes the only one, which he has an advantage in. Atm we have no fucking clue why they filed it in Nevada, but logically they did so for a reason so it probably won't get thrown out for jurisdiction (unless it turns out that TFE are genuinely mentally deficient and giga fucked up)

Worst outcome for Steven is if the judge turns the Nevada TRO into a PI because it basically lengthens the TRO for the whole case (so no longer temporary). Issue with this is it'd be the Nevada judge stepping on the California judges toes, which judges don't generally do, so it's unlikely to happen as well.

Most likely outcome is the judge just goes "everything stays the same until the courts sort everything out"

jolly raptor
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(unless it turns out that TFE are genuinely mentally deficient and giga fucked up)
you know with how things are going in general might as well be

topaz gull
kind prism
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P sure only Theresa Fette is in Nevada (Ogden is Florida, Dawson is Florida, Bartles is Illinois)

deep tinsel
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im surprised this discord is still up

native pine
topaz gull
kind prism
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It's likely they met in Nevada frequently, Steven did go there often

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Although I don't see Stevens mums location being relevant to the filing

topaz gull
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yeah I think that was the gist, I'm not a US law specialist but I assume if documents were signed in the state with some sort of official process or oversight, then that's probably why they'd be filing it there

deep tinsel
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you all know this game is never coming out right? Or we using this as a base to get the latest legal information on the whole deal?

topaz gull
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as in, if you made a verbal agreement while in Nevada, there might be laws as to how those agreements are handled that differ in Nevada than they would in California etc. So it would make sense if they area seeking a stronger case of accountability for statements in agreements etc

topaz gull
deep tinsel
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I'll buy the IP for $50

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I'll get it working. Chat Gippity knows all about code.

topaz gull
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laughibly that is probably true, but you'd be better off rewriting everything on the backend as the costs for running the nonsense that was built (no offense to the devs) would be not worth it in the long run. You can get the gameplay at a smaller scale for much less

deep tinsel
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100% memory safety. possibly lower costs on maintenance.

jolly raptor
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rust is absolutely not 100% memory safe, its just really really hard to write unsafe code

topaz gull
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haven't used it so can't comment on that, but yeah if you scale the game down to the handful of people that would actually play it, you'd be better off setting up a system that allowed for transfer of servers across a shared community run network. Shards essentially, that way you can keep the grander scale of player numbers, reduce the same server conflicting power struggles, but maintain the pvp aspect of competition across shards. It would also push the hosting back onto the community. But you'd have to reduce a lot more of the back end stuff to make the lower pricing for communities to be more viable

deep tinsel
void adder
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Ashes of reCreation

lost jewel
vernal fable
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A judge only seeing one side and issuing a TRO out of state is ballsy and weird. even if it is 1 person there from the board that’s still a bit much for all files to be released from intrepid.

deep tinsel
lost jewel
deep tinsel
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or Unreal Engine itself

lost jewel
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At least

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And yes, writing mmo w/o engine such as unreal is dramatic increase of dev time

deep tinsel
jolly raptor
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just let chatgpt do it 🤡

deep tinsel
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^I said this from scratch

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wasn't lying

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I actually would. Might as well if its community maintained.

lost jewel
# deep tinsel Incorrect.

Be my guest then
Theres a reason why big studios mostly do not attempt to do custom engines for games

jolly raptor
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just start on it now 🤷‍♂️