alpha-two-general

[empty pumice]

[devout cedar]

Yes, because those contracts will still look basically the same.

If steven put up his own assets as collateral, it doesn't matter what "product" he spent that money on, the collateral and the loan agreements put in place are still going to be roughly the same thing

[topaz gull]

their plan is to call everyone that doesn't marry steven a moron so that we eventually leave, and then they can play directly with steven and the seven other people that worship him, in some private guild on another mmo

[minor prism]

Based on what we know did Steven put his assets up for collateral in the same way Elon financed the purchase of twitter?

[hexed ingot]

candlejac-

[cinder tendon]

what'cha think about Steven's statement? Sounds like a lawyer trying to squeeze a few more hours of hourly pay to write that whole damn thing.

[empty pumice]

Hey, but this random dude we never seen or heard of suddenly say bad things about Steven so it.must all.be True!!!!

[hexed ingot]

angry old man from aussie yelling into the abyss

[topaz torrent]

He scammed half of China, he must be awesome!

[languid ivy]

woooah

[cinder tendon]

i mean, half the community were saying the same thing about Steven since day 1, so how is that different? We trust one, but not the other?

[hardy valley]

Hey, two things can be true at the same time. You're still a moron

[cloud scaffold]

@vague leaf please give us permission to post images and gifs in this channel

[hexed ingot]

i trust the court and court seems to be siding with steven

[hardy valley]

I'm more than willing to let you call me whatever you want and slander me however you want if you just admit you're a moron.

[topaz gull]

of course I am a moron, and so are you, because apparently only the courts are not morons.

[topaz torrent]

Mob mentality cheering something on and mob mentality trying to destroy a single man's life is a huge difference

[hardy valley]

I trust the court to not be as much of a moron as I trust someone in this discord, or anyone for that matter.

[balmy thistle]

!STREAM

[cinder tendon]

@hexed ingot very loosely because Dawson didn't do things properly. This doesn't mean there was nothing wrong going on with everything else.

[empty pumice]

Just stop with the fucking gossips. None of you know shit so shush.

[devout cedar]

Seemed genuine, put yourself in his shoes, if you were trying to fix the problems what would you do? (even if they were your own fault, intentional or not) and if you were trying to scam people even more then what would your move be?

To me it doesn't track for someone who's trying to do a scam and dash

[topaz gull]

So then you agree with me that this is discord, and we can speculate here and be just as accurate as the courts.

[hardy valley]

What?

[hexed ingot]

if he didnt do that properly he didnt do other things properly either

[kind prism]

Well I dunno if I agree with the "be just as accurate as the courts" xdd

[hardy valley]

As accurate as the courts? What are you smoking? You've gotta be doing this intentionally 🤣

[topaz gull]

Who goes to court?

[topaz torrent]

Netanyahu is a war criminal. Just as accurate as the courts. Facts ✔️

[devout cedar]

100%

[hardy valley]

You've never been in the same room, nor has anyone here right now. How can you possibly be as accurate as the courts if you don't have the same information the courts do

Actually, you know what, it's okay. I think you're just lost and that's fine.

Let's just wait until the courts play out.

[topaz gull]

people go to court. People go to discord. The people who make decisions on what is truth in a court, are also... people.

[hexed ingot]

dont argue with the guy hes honestly a bitter old man thats got hate boner for steven

[topaz gull]

Do you think the court will have 100% of the evidence?

[cinder tendon]

@devout cedar I just see a few patterns that repeat over and over and they sound like a lawyer trying to prove the project is nuclear fusion.

[topaz torrent]

Bro hasn't said a sentence yet without some sort of gay reference, I bet hes a lot of fun at the down low parties 😂

[hardy valley]

I actually can't anymore. It's not even an argument. It's like I'm beating someone whose not even mentally there.

[cinder tendon]

@hexed ingot not necessarily. wrongfully foreclosing the company doesn't mean that they didn't lend all that money to Steven and that they don't have majority stake etc.

[topaz gull]

wait, you're making a judgement but you don't have all the facts, perhaps you should wait for a court's decision

[hardy valley]

Because WHAT on EARTH am I supposed to absorb from that comment other than because people attend court and people populate discord that must mean that people can make accurate statements without all the facts in hand

[minor prism]

@devout cedar I actually don't believe it was a scam, I just think he failed and lied. I wish he would have made a subscription model.

[hexed ingot]

id love to see the sealed stuff because thats got a lot of juicy details about said deal

[topaz gull]

you missed the part where I asked if you think the courts will have 100% of the evidence

[hardy valley]

I don't need a court to tell you you're an idiot, but maybe we should go to court and have them decide whether you are.

[topaz gull]

I go to court often

[devout cedar]

I was talking overall, since the beginning. Not just recent posts. Anything recent is going to sound a bit Lawyer speak since legally I'm sure he's limited in what he can say.

[hardy valley]

I didn't, just didn't get there yet. Obviously there's a chance the courts will never ascertain all the evidence. People omit, lie, etc. New shit is uncovered that sometimes nobody knew about until later. Anything can happen. That DOES NOT MEAN what you're saying is true.

[cinder tendon]

@hexed ingot definitely... a lot can be proven/disproven by just looking at the accounting records and we probably won't see that. They may get handled by an auditor assigned by the judge and that's it 🙁

[terse spear]

Na steven is joining Diddy…

[topaz gull]

but you said the courts will have more accuracy than people elsewhere. But the courts are made up of people that deliver their truth, and then validate the accuracy of their truth and weigh up what is and isn't fact based on , in many cases, what is reasonable to the common person

[devout cedar]

I am also in the boat that he fked up...but I've yet to see anything damning enough to make it seem intentional

[hexed ingot]

its why we just need to wait for the judge to make their rulings as the case moves forward; some evidence may not be admissible for xyz reason and everything jason has said will be subject to the case as well

[topaz gull]

so for me to say "Steven marketed the game on the notion that there was no board or controlling investors" doesn't require a court to validate, this is something that you, me and every other person on this discord can provide an accurate judgement on

[cinder tendon]

@devout cedar yeah, in that case i agree. It's just funny that no matter where or what you read about ashes, Steven talks in numbers like they are something impressive and the 'decade long' development, like that's something impressive either.

[kind prism]

If it was Riot that tried to buy them then the biggest fuck up was not accepting the deal 😆 Riot (at that point) allowed the companies under them basically full autonomy

[minor prism]

I don't think it was intentional. I think he lied intentionally.

[gray stone]

Are we causing Discord today?

[topaz gull]

discord and rhyme

[gray stone]

Noice 😄

[hexed ingot]

people have problems accepting the symantics of the funding language stevens used. As much as you think its not correct in your mind it is technically correct at the end of the day and technically correct is all courts care about

[hardy valley]

This is because the court has the oversight and broad knowledge of the law to be able to sort through 'their truth' and validate the accuracy of said truth. As far as I understand, you're arguing that the common person can infer just as much as the court, with the same amount of accuracy, which in no way can I digest as truth because most people here do not have the experience nor prior knowledge, and on top of which the ability to remain absolutely neutral, to make a sound judgment without ANY flaws. If someone like that exists who understands the entire scope of the situation, including what has not been publicized, and can make an accurate statement as accurate as the court could when everything is said and done, well holy shit slap me silly and call me a moron because WOW.

[hidden quarry]

Oh shi-

[worthy salmon]

[Title card]

[hardy valley]

Because THAT right there is a skill I need BAD.

[eternal cipher]

true

[hidden quarry]

I’m new to the game what’s the best class?

[hardy valley]

bard

[devout cedar]

I mean, to be fair wouldn't you? XD

I know it would probably seem like an easy thing to just fess up to and be transparent about. But imagine that is your baby project, you have millions of people following and watching it development, all the people critical of every move you make, questioning every single decision. Maybe it felt salvageable without people finding out? Maybe he didn't even realize the blunder till it was too late to "tell us" without it seeming like he had been hiding it for a long time already...idk, all I know is I don't have enough to condemn the man, and I still believe in his dream

[topaz torrent]

Lawyer first dolphin second. A lawfin

[slim gyro]

The Servers are still Online?

[hidden quarry]

Sick thanks

[hardy valley]

Yes but unplayable reallyt.

[worthy salmon]

None, the game isn't exactly in a good place right now and until the legal stuff is dealt with, probably won't be

[hardy valley]

I wouldn't try your hand at playing, lol.

[still thicket]

Sigh

[minor prism]

I don't think I would. Again, I wish he would have, and games generally, made it subscription model. We paid $10 subs in 1999.

[hardy valley]

TEN DOLLARS?

[hidden quarry]

Ashes of Deletion 😔

[topaz gull]

actually what you just wrote proves me correct, you've stated that they validate accuracy based on the laws, so they aren't after "the truth" they are after a version of events that fit within the bounds of what they can say are reasonably accurate. We do the same thing here given the information we are presented with. We entrust the courts and the system to provide a level of accuracy that we deem sufficient to enforce consequences on someone for, but there is nothing that says the court is more accurate than anywhere else that has the same information. The fact that you think no-one is allowed to make any judgement outside of a courtroom is far more 'idiotic' than what you're claiming about me.

[devout cedar]

That's fair, though I'd argue that a lot of people launching such a massive project would want to...uhh, juice it? Up a bit

[topaz torrent]

At least we didnt get Ashes of bodily secretions like Vhladus wanted

[lunar narwhal]

A LOT OF PEOPLE OWE STEVEN AN APOLOGY

[minor prism]

Yes, Ultima Online had a $10 subscription we paid in the godamn 90's.

[hexed ingot]

they're still doubling down on the hate tbh

[hidden quarry]

What are you even saying bro that’s too niche for me can you explain it

[devout cedar]

Me too mate. Me too 😔

Also I miss runescape...

[topaz gull]

Not to mention, this is discord, people are allowed to come up and make their own judgements, and vent their frustrations at the slight that has been made against them, you want to supress them, you want to belittle and ridicule them, you want them to believe what you believe. You are the monster here.

[hexed ingot]

rather be a monster than stupid

[hidden quarry]

I’d rather be stupid than be a monster lowkey

[topaz gull]

but you're a ghost 😮

[topaz torrent]

One of Ashes most faithful content creators to never hit 25 went on a 15 minute porn-pitch during a live stream trying to make some changes to the trailer

[hidden quarry]

Shit you’re right my bad

[cinder tendon]

i doubt the game will return either way... a lot of the staff probably found other jobs already, reputation down the shitter... even if Steven wins, finding enough developers and funding will push development by another decade.

[floral cloud]

So tfe tried to steal ashes out from under Steven

[hidden quarry]

Wow that’s really awesome and cool I love mmo content creators 🥹

[versed creek]

It's Joever.

[topaz gull]

that's what he says, but lots of evidence to contradict it.

[hardy valley]

If you think that the court is going to wrongfully portray something so badly that someone else can somehow portray it in a better light than the court of law could I'll wait to meet that person. Otherwise let's just agree to disagree.

Also yes I would rather be a monster than whatever you are.

[topaz gull]

yeah no-one innocent has ever been judged guilty in the US courts.

[kind prism]

a lot of the staff probably found other jobs already

Well idk about that. The gaming industry is fucked. Even people with decades of experience at the biggest companies in the world are strugglign to get jobs. Maggie managed to get a new job but it's not in gaming at all. The developers will have a much harder time finding a new one

[floral cloud]

If Steven wins in court and it’s found that tfe rob Dawson indeed tried to steal the company fromc Steven I have no doubt the company will recover and continue

[hardy valley]

Funny how I literally didn't say this.

[minor prism]

After AoC died I went and played everything else available and then went back and just killed mobs outside of town in a dead AoC and it was more depressing. It was a great game with awesome ideas. That makes it worse. The guy is a fuckhead.

[hardy valley]

I did not say the court can never be wrong. Just said that it's ridiculous to assume a normie can be moreso accurate than the court. I mean, personally, I would rather trust a legal entity.

[floral cloud]

Yea but that’s from one side which could easily be faked I’m more concerned about what federal court finds real or not

[topaz torrent]

Have you met our government

[topaz gull]

If you think that the court is going to wrongfully portray something so badly that someone else can somehow portray it in a better light than the court of law could I'll wait to meet that person. I mean there are documentaries where people outside of courts discover that people were wrongfully convicted and then had to go on a campaign to overturn a judgement but ok

[hardy valley]

Anyway dude, whatever. We'll see at some point.

[hidden quarry]

If intrepid comes back they should scrap AoC and just make a Minecraft server lowkey

[floral cloud]

Dreams are the only thing keeps everyone moving brother!

[hidden quarry]

Ashes of creation civilization 1000 players Ohio crashout

Killua knows what I’m sayin

[cinder tendon]

@kind prism not necessarily... a game dev usually knows C++ or C#. In Unreal's case, we have C++ which is very well paid all around the world and not exactly a dying market. A C++ game dev is a C++ dev as well.

[topaz gull]

that's totally fine! though I'm in an argument at the moment that promotes that people do have the ability to make judgement themselves and don't have to rely on a court to understand what is true and what isn't 😂

[hardy valley]

Funny how this is after the court decides something that it's discovered to be wrong. Almost like we need to be given all the facts to then ascertain if something is right or wrong.

[empty pumice]

Doesn't matter, their ego's are so thick that they won't. Thanks godness we can use the history on this channel en all youtube video's to know who bad actors are and now you know who to avoid in life. Witch burners are always the same. Just shun them from your life.

[hardy valley]

Actually this time, no more. I want to play a game

[devout cedar]

Earlier someone asked for a best case scenario...which if it did happen my quite possibly terribly educated guess work would be a 2 year delay, that's assuming everything went right (quick settlement, dismissed counter lawsuit, etc)

But if that doesn't happen...yeah, probably looking at 5-10 years if at all

[topaz gull]

so then you believe that the original court did not have 100% of the facts, and thus were at the same level as people in a discord. Wow!

[kind prism]

Coding jobs are 100% "dying" in the sense that the amount of jobs are way lower now than they were 5 years ago. They're still a thing obviously, but no where near as abudant as even a few years ago

[ebon shore]

"fully funded to completion with my own money" "had a board of directors made of investors that held more power than me" you only get to pick1

[topaz torrent]

2 people with the right AI skillset can outwork a team of 10 average coders from a few years ago pretty easily, that job market is not exactly looking up

[hexed ingot]

i welcome the ai overlords

[hidden quarry]

I just want to make sure like are you all real people or is this whole chat just like Steven and Jason shadow boxing each other with alts?

[kind prism]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2025/03/14/programming-jobs-lost-artificial-intelligence/

More than a quarter of all computer programming jobs have vanished in the past two years, the worst downturn that industry has ever seen. Things are sufficiently abysmal that computer programming ranks among 10 hardest-hit occupations of 420-plus jobs for which we have data from the Bureau of Labor Statistics.

[topaz gull]

i wouldn't put it past either of them!

[empty pumice]

You would be surprised.

[hidden quarry]

I see right through your tricks

[hexed ingot]

wouldnt be a good look in court if they found out

[empty pumice]

[topaz gull]

I'm even questioning myself now spooky

[hidden quarry]

Lmao

[hardy valley]

I also said that it's possible for people to omit, lie, etc. The court is only responsible for what it has and likely interprets that as 100% of the evidence, as that is all they have available. If you're telling me you've given me everything, and I accept that, only later to discover that's not true, that's not my fault.

[topaz gull]

but you said that the courts have all the facts and thus people in discord cannot possibly make a sound judgement.

[mild dust]

The entire fundraising explanation is all you need to see tbh, everyone was under the impression steven funded this game with his own money, he did not.

[topaz torrent]

I used to enjoy coding MUDS in C++ when I was 14, often stop to wonder where my life would be now if I would have chased that dream. I wonder what useless app I would have created and how much of people's data I could sell to Israel.

[devout cedar]

Oh they better hope they are right, I enjoy hunting people in open world games 😈

[hexed ingot]

oh angry streamer man is here

[hardy valley]

The courts will ultimately have more in hand than people in discord do.

We learn everything secondary to the court.

[topaz gull]

will they? you said they didn't have 100%, what if we have as much as the court does?

or what if we have only 80% and the court has 90% but we both come to the same judgement, is our less accurate?

[hardy valley]

Absolutely they will have more. Things change constantly. We can never understand every single variable that's constantly changing.

Especially in a case so, so complex.

[hexed ingot]

discovery will be fun you know who's not gonna hide things in the court case? the banks

[hardy valley]

I trust the court because I trust them as the primary source.

[topaz torrent]

What if... they declare a mistrial because Amber Heard also shit in Steven's bed?

[hardy valley]

I don't trust people in discord as a primary source for... Obvious reasons, and neither should you.

[empty pumice]

And I will join you, time to put some kill om sight posters. So we can kill them off the servers.

[topaz gull]

what is so complex about stating "Steven marketed the game as his own money, and no other financial interests were involved, but then in 2026 he announced there had been a board for over a year"

[hidden quarry]

I lowkey didn’t even read the news or really what happened in January what’s like the situationnnnn

[devout cedar]

We've been over this a few times in chat tonight already. If he did back the funding with his own assets then it's the same thing just different language

[hardy valley]

I'm saying the overall case is complex.

[topaz torrent]

Its not complex. You guys have a hate-on for Steven and nobodies getting in your way.

[hexed ingot]

but steven bad

[hardy valley]

There are a lot of interests involved and differing stories, it is very complex.

[hidden quarry]

Hi Steven!! 👋 can you buff cleric? Thanks

[cinder tendon]

@devout cedar And to be honest, i don't thing that Dawson and co would let go of their majority share of the company unless Steven somehow proves that they acquired it wrongfully and that he didn't receive all the money they claim he received. EVEN IF Steven didn't misapropriate funds, it still leaves the game in not-Steven's hands.
Even if Steven wins, I think getting the studio back up to the same momentum is borderline impossible considering the reputational damage no matter the court outcome (Jonny Depp never got back into Harry Potter and Pirates of the Caribean even after he won his lawsuit against Amber Heard).
Even more, where does Steven find funding to pay developers if last time he has to find money from a board that shouldn't have existed to begin with?
I want the game to come out and be awesome (though what i saw from my favorite class kinda sucks and i dislike it), but it kinda doesn't look like that's going to happen.

[topaz gull]

yes but I am saying people can come and make their own judgements in discord based on the information about the marketing, and see that he has lied to them. But you tell them we need to wait for the court to say whether he lied to them or not, and we shouldn't trust anyone in discord.

[devout cedar]

Witch hunt the witch hunters? 😏

[hidden quarry]

Hi Jason!! Can you cool off and let Steven fix the game? Thanks 🥰

[lunar narwhal]

Well said!!!

[hexed ingot]

Thats mr. dawson

[marble quartz]

Are you still in the court part? Hehe. Try another topic. Why did they concede the TRO? What Is the Nevada case? How likely Is Intrepid to win after this TRO?

[hidden quarry]

~70% but that’s not going to be the big case

[hardy valley]

People can make a judgment all they want. You and I have made one about each other, evidently. But I'm not talking about marketing specifically. I'm speaking in broad terms, which I should've clarified sooner, and that leads me to believe that if I have to choose between believing a judgment someone made on discord versus a legally bound entity, I would believe the latter.

[hexed ingot]

nevada case is dead imo; none of this happened in nevada and bringing it there is just weird and ive thought it was weird ever since it was filed

[topaz torrent]

Made zero sense from day 1

[marble quartz]

Right?

[hardy valley]

Just because you make a judgment doesn't mark the end of it all. You need to make a judgment based off all perspectives.

[topaz gull]

but you'll happily call people a moron if they don't choose to follow the same source as you, whilst maintaining you are morally superior?

[empty pumice]

Yes, that is how it should be. We should make a coallition.

[hidden quarry]

That’s what I’m sayin!! 😭😭😭😭

[hexed ingot]

100pct stupid people are stupid for areason

[jade lagoon]

https://tenor.com/view/wipehype-wipe-hype-rose-project-rose-kowalski-gif-9041306755419192130

[lunar narwhal]

... honestly, that makes me think we're actually dealing with a small army of bots and/or paid reps of Steven's opponents. It's not that hard to create a bunch of fake accounts or pay people off nowadays!

[uncut creek]

A tro just stops a party from doing certain things at this point in time, doesnt prove one side is innocent or guilty of anything
Scumbags will be scumbags, rich scumbags do their fighting in a court of law with lots of technicalities

[hardy valley]

I'm just giving you my judgment on who you are based on what I've observed from watching you these past few weeks. I didn't call you a moron because you follow a different source, I called you a moron because you're trying to act as if some simpleton on discord is moreso believable than a legally bound entity.

Which I think is moronic. Doesn't mean it's true. just my judgment.

[topaz torrent]

People keep saying, "I FEEL SO AND SO WAY SO NOW YOU HAVE TO FEEL THAT WAY TOO". No, youre trying to misrepresent your opinion as fact to sway other people to think the way you do... and its so fucking weird

[hidden quarry]

Bro we so paranoid losing our minds bro… alien invasion bro….. cia…. Crashout…

[hexed ingot]

uncle sam is gonna have all your embaressing chatgpt questions @queen eagle

[hardy valley]

I feel like they'll prob just pause it for now.

[topaz torrent]

I use gork + uncensored.ai

[hexed ingot]

then they already have it

[topaz gull]

except that isn't what I said. Look at your words, you're being overly negative to everyone on here. Not to mention that Steven himself comes here, are you saying he is a simpleton? All I stated originally is that the courts aren't some magical place where truth comes out, it is a group of people that work to a standard, and in many instances that standard is based on the perceptions of the common person. You can find the common person in many other places, such as discord.

[hidden quarry]

Who would win like Jason (post-timeskip) or Steven (with prep time)

[hardy valley]

I'm being overly negative to you.

[hexed ingot]

who's gojo and who's sukuna

[worthy salmon]

Just finished reading Steven's statement, gonna read the court documents in a bit, but my current opinion is as it's always been, Steven is innocent until proven guilty

[hardy valley]

Don't involve anyone else 🤣 You're experiencing the full brunt of my negativity.

[floral cloud]

Yea but people can misinterpret what is true based on false information/evidence us as the observers only know what we are shown we were shown one side by one party and now we are seeing the other side but backed by the court which is considered more credible

[topaz gull]

all because you are so greatly offended that your precious courts are being called common.

[hidden quarry]

Steven gojo Jason sukuna

Infinite releasedate
Malevolent Studio

[hardy valley]

You keep saying I'm doing or experiencing something when I'm really not. I just can't stand to see people like you propose something idiotic and then act like they're a messiah of truth and morality when really you're just a normal guy trying to understand what's going on like anyone else.

[hexed ingot]

ok you made me spit out my drink

[devout cedar]

That's a valid arguement for sure. Though I would just have to counter with the possible legal implications of whatever contract they have.

For example, if Dawson and Co exerted pressure through threats and under duress to make changes which they had no legal right to, then the court can rule that they broke the contract or otherwise limited/inhibited the ability of intrepid studio/steven to make development or company changes in line with their objective as a business. As well as basically anything that hindered the growth of the company within Steven's hands to try and leverage it away from him.

Hostile takeovers are often completely legal, but just as often they are not

[uncut creek]

You saying someone getting split in half? Ouch

[hardy valley]

Anyway, I'm going to block you because I probably won't stop talking to you if I don't and there's probably better to do at this time of night

[topaz gull]

you can scroll up, you can see where I discuss this point earlier, we give them the credibility by placing a trust in that they would follow a process that would eliminate falsehoods, but we accept that there is not 100% accuracy in what comes out, only that it meets the threshold for what the common person would find reasonable

[quasi pulsar]

Don’t none of this matter, court system will have the last say-so 🤷🏾‍♂️

[hidden quarry]

I’m jsut sayin bullshitttt 😭

[hardy valley]

True

[topaz gull]

I have blocked leshrac but I believe he continues to talk about me.

[lunar narwhal]

Hard to deny there is a legit campaign on the internet/steam to kill the game. It's been obvious to anyone with a brain for a while.

[hexed ingot]

now i want an ai video of steven vs jason

[hidden quarry]

That would be so tuff 🥹

[hardy valley]

Remember those shit rap battles on youtube awhile ago? Imagine that but Jason vs Steven

[topaz torrent]

That was one of the first things that drew me to Ashes.

[hidden quarry]

Epic rap battles of history

[hardy valley]

Jason's producer tag has to be 'Hes a cockroach'

I feel like he said that at least 20 times

[topaz gull]

you did this, you told people to stop making judgements based on half the info and just await the court findings. Then when I said the common people have reasonable grounds to make judgements, you tried to act morally superior and called me moronic/idiotic etc

[topaz torrent]

The court should make Jason and Steven compete in a pvp tournament for the rights to Ashes then when its about to start the judge should tell them btw were just gonna do deathrolls

[hexed ingot]

i really triggered disinfect man if hes this upset over someone else doing the same exact thing to him

[quasi pulsar]

In retrospect, the courts the last verdict. We all entitled to opinions though.

[lunar narwhal]

Yeah like a military node

[floral cloud]

I agree courts can’t be 100% people lie all the time but if you are found not guilty by a jury of your peers that means you most likely aren’t the bad guy now I don’t think they’ve got that far because it’s just been a judge blocking the sale of the IT but I’m excited to see what happens

[devout cedar]

There have been people trying to kill the game since the Kickstarter sadly

[marble quartz]

Will Westbank support the claim that they were not notified of anything?

[floral cloud]

Ashes of boxing

[topaz gull]

so no one is allowed a refund until the court decision? Sorry splitting hairs, I agree we can all have opinions but I don't agree that we aren't permitted some authority until a court deems so, there are consumer laws and protections that don't need a court ruling

[hexed ingot]

these things arent typically decided by a jury usually the judge handles it

[hardy valley]

I found the better activity. Aka throwing my cats shrimp toy so he can fetch it

[devout cedar]

Correct

[hidden quarry]

They should settle this by participating in a Mr beast challenge lowkey…..

[floral cloud]

Ahh so the jury is more for crimes and the judge more for business?

[lunar narwhal]

I used to think it was Blizzard funding the unreasonably negative press against Ashes - but now I see it was these douchebags trying to steal the game by first killing it.

[quasi pulsar]

You can do a refund all you want. You can do it now. No one is stopping you. Also, never mentioned anything about that.

The rulings however, will be settled by court.

[topaz torrent]

Being judged by a jury of your peers in a criminal trial is a right - not so much in all legal proceedings

[topaz gull]

actually sorry, splitting hairs here, not guilty means you are not guilty of a crime. You might have meant innocent, which means you had nothing to do with the crime you were charged with. You can be a bad guy and be deemed not guilty (aka you killed a guy but were not guilty of murder, but found guilty of manslaughter etc)

[hardy valley]

Don't continue, you're falling into a trap.

[quasi pulsar]

Lmfao maybe but I got time 🤣

[hardy valley]

Save yourself, it's not too late!

[hardy valley]

Just doing it for the love of the game... God damn... Brings a tear to my eye

[obtuse prawn]

Someone update me. So Steven not bad at the end or more Steven lies?

[topaz gull]

sorry that's an issue of clarity, wasn't aware you were talking about the specific steven vs the board instead of steven vs the consumer

[quasi pulsar]

I’m at the gym and I told myself let me get to this chat just to piss someone off 🤣

[unique spruce]

I still have faith. Ashes was sold to a community as a dream that could become real by a dreamer (MMORPG enjoyer) just like us. I'm not buying any claims that it was just a scam from the start.

[floral cloud]

Aye bro it’s all boils down to who has the better lawyers these days 😂 i know what you mean but im saying if the court finds Steven on the winning side ashes of creation publicly will be in a better place

[livid geyser]

Yeah, you can be not guilty and still be the guy who scammed and lied to his community for last 7 years while at the same time going nuclear against any criticism.

[quasi pulsar]

Steven vs the consumer. I got a suggestion. If I didn’t agree with Steven methods or anything I’ll just call my bank and refund. Problem solved.

[devout cedar]

I wouldn't be surprised if to some extent all the triple A gaming studios contributed to it. They only stand to lose money by ashes succeeding

[short knoll]

Steven is still the problem here. It’s obvious

[hardy valley]

I fear you have struck the pot of gold.

[hidden quarry]

Steven funded ashes with AIPAC money so if you bought the game you’re getting drafted to Iran within 2-3 weeks

[quasi pulsar]

I got faith in Steven!

[topaz torrent]

When youre talking about a potential multi hundred million dollar profit, both sides are gonna basically have the same "power" of legal representation.

[short knoll]

Why?

[obtuse prawn]

Well am not American so I am safe on that front.

[topaz gull]

cool! good luck

[lunar narwhal]

---

IMPORTANT QUESTION FOR THE COMMUNITY: We know most judges are boomers who don't understand vidya gayms. What can we do to help them understand the true beauty that was being created here? Like I know it was only 30% done but anyone who understands MMO's and played the Bard class UNDERSTANDS that this was a labor of love. Surely there is something we as a community can do to show that there is a bewildered, silent majority of players who actually loves the game's vision and was willing to see it through till the end?

---

[floral cloud]

Obv he messed up by bringing these people in but also how can you know whose against you and whose two face you don’t until you finally see it

[topaz torrent]

Ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha Netanyahu can draft anybody from anywhere at any time

[topaz gull]

haha well yeah steven is 100% guilty 🙂

[hidden quarry]

This guy gets it 🥹

[obtuse prawn]

Sure bud.

[short knoll]

He said the whole time it was fully self funded. That was a lie

[topaz gull]

careful fayne, that sounds like a judgement made outside of a court!

[quasi pulsar]

I’m like the middle in everything. I’m 33 right, I been working the usual 9-5, military, traveled, do the passport bro shit, did college, failed businesses.

Ain’t shit perfect in life. I’m just hoping the parties come to an agreement and figure it out.

[bitter garden]

The judge doesn’t really need to understand video games, some judges are really just dealing with corporate law all the time

And this seems to just be a run of the mill corporate issue.

[hardy valley]

Yeah, I mean, hindsight 20/20 if he had managed things more mindfully we likely wouldn't be in such an awful position. But at the end of the day, now it's time for him to either prove that he didn't do x/y/z or suffer the consequences.

[floral cloud]

It technically wasn’t he took personal responsibility for the loans if I go get a car using a bank loan I’m technically buying the car with my own money I’m just using the bank to get the large some amount

[hardy valley]

That's my biggest takeaway that keeps me from getting too coped up

Although tonight probably reset all my progress.

[lunar narwhal]

Part of Steven's legal claim is that the game was legit. That's a context-specific judgement call that we can help prove.

[bitter garden]

I’m not sure random people writing to a judge will do anything besides annoy the judge, imma let them figure out their legal strategy

[marble quartz]

I agree. I tried every mmo out there. Thats why so many ppl still want the game to succed, because WE KNOW

[hidden quarry]

Steven reportedly forgot to flush… it was embarrassing…

[lunar narwhal]

I'm not saying "random people writing to a judge" is the solution - I'm pointing to a problem and asking for ideas about a solution. That's one I guess.

[hardy valley]

If only that were feasible.

There are so many rich, greedy swines involved that we can only hope for a lesser evil to take over.

[floral cloud]

Yes he could of change his wording and said hey guys I’m getting these loans of my own accord and not the company so it is funded instead of saying hey guys it’s self funded it’s the same thing he went and got loans using his own name assets and collateral so technically it’s his money that was being used to fund it obviously he brought in more investments when which he fucked up thinking he could trust those people

[quasi pulsar]

🤣🤣🤣

[topaz gull]

Don't forget the development process was also marketed as transparent, but I guess he only meant the parts of it he wanted to showcase

[hidden quarry]

If you were Steven in this situation, what would YOU do???Inside trade polymarket???

[marble quartz]

What Is Creation of Ashes?

[torn tapir]

Whats going on

[quasi pulsar]

Nothing just chatting

[topaz gull]

steven made a post and reignited the cult

[hidden quarry]

That’s what I’ve been asking nobody is taking me seriously

[hardy valley]

It's a group of people working on an emulator for Ashes of Creation.

[torn tapir]

With what, i saw some pin and was like damn steven you alive?

[quasi pulsar]

Ai ran btw

[hardy valley]

There are two groups, and although I'm in both, I support CoA a lot.

[hidden quarry]

Steven reignited… the ashes… of creation…. Like a phoenix…. Rising again… I’m crine

[hardy valley]

I don't really give a shit about AI much because eventually it's gonna become a standard in our world. What's the use in kicking and screaming against an inevitability

[devout cedar]

DM me an invite?

[hidden quarry]

Creation of Ashes???

[floral cloud]

If i tell you bro i have 100k i dont have to tell you if I have it in equity cash or assets just know I have it, its your job to either believe me or not

[hardy valley]

Yeah, lmfao.

[quasi pulsar]

I agree. I stopped caring about school because most assignments are now Ai driven. It’s life we have to progress lol

[hidden quarry]

Oh fr?

[acoustic harness]

FROM THE ASHES, A NEW CREATION WILL BE BORN!

Ashes of Creation Episode IV “A New Hope”

[hardy valley]

Well, that's a bit far 🤣

[quasi pulsar]

HAHAHAHA

[hardy valley]

Yes, there are currently two groups. I support CoA obviously but am in both.

[quasi pulsar]

You gave me the setup man. I just hit the ⛳️

[elfin owl]

I am Rey.. Rey Sharif lol

[hardy valley]

I just realized. I hate you 🤣

[short knoll]

Yeah. “Change his words” = not lie

[hardy valley]

Never message me again, you're done LMFAO

[quasi pulsar]

🤣🤣 love you too brother

[hidden quarry]

Ion really know what the groups are lowkey but i was just saying bullshit I didn’t know that’s what it was actually called lmfao

[elfin owl]

"somehow, Steven has returned"

[hidden quarry]

Steven… if you can hear me Steven… please save me Steven…. I need this…

[marble quartz]

Did you guys "mined" the assets? Are you using the original files? Or just making like a private WOW server

[floral cloud]

Your not getting it if I go get a loan under my own name that makes it my money my financial responsibility I just got it from a bigger lender it’s different if a lender invested directly into the company

[hardy valley]

I'm not a developer, just a contributor. I basically collected packet captures that help them structure those actions/processes in the game. I couldn't say whether they're original or mined as I'm not really the genius in that department, but I do know that basically everything was wide open for them to use when they started.

[hidden quarry]

Oh okay I get it now thanks

[hexed ingot]

judge in question seems to be a good one; she told the state of cali to pound sand and produce documents in a DEA case

[hardy valley]

"Q: OMG HOW DID YOU PEOPLE DO THIS SO FAST???!!!!

A: You can thank intrepid. Unencryped packets. loot tables and spawns all in client(no database lol), and non obfuscated dlls."

This was taken from the FAQ in that server. Basically all I can give you for sure

[topaz gull]

If i tell you this tea can cure cancer I don't have to prove it it's up to you to believe me or not. False claims in advertising for FDA-regulated products (drugs, medical devices, foods) are primarily governed by the Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic (FD&C) Act, specifically sections prohibiting misbranding, such as Section 502(a). The FDA ensures that marketing, particularly for prescription drugs, is truthful, balanced, and not misleading, overseen by the Office of Prescription Drug Promotion (OPDP)

[hexed ingot]

was it FDA regulated?

[hidden quarry]

Can you teach me how to brew the cancer curing tea btw? I’m afraid it’s malignant….

[marble quartz]

Cool I hope you can revive something if this goes downhill

[topaz gull]

I can but you'll need to purchase a pre-order bundle package for $600USD, and then if you want early access I can offer keytea but remember development of the mixture is a moving pain

[floral cloud]

If I tell you if you rub this cream on your hands daily it’ll make you a millionaire it’s your job to use some critical thinking and digging no?

[hidden quarry]

Sick do you have Venmo?

[topaz gull]

ahh the old snake oil salesman mentality, it's up to the buyer to have good judgement and there should be no market protections to prevent scams... also wait are you pro steven or anti steven here?

[hardy valley]

Honestly, with the way this is going and how litigious both sides are, it could very well go down in flames before it even gets off the ground in any specific way! But it is a fantastic sign. I suggest joining the server to read more.

I don't really want to talk about it too much here for obvious reasons, so yeah, join and see for yourself.

[topaz gull]

wait so killua is the one breaching the IP rights of the company that Steven is trying to recover?

[lunar narwhal]

I hope you're right - I wonder if there is anything we can do to prove it was a legit project and not vaporware

[floral cloud]

Let me go buy a car wait I don’t have the money let me go barrow money from a bank to buy the car my car my financial responsibility to pay it back wait I want to sell the car to someone else wait I still have to pay this loan it’s not the buyers responsibility to pay the loan I got for myself

[topaz gull]

lolwut

[topaz torrent]

None of this would have happened if I were Ben Shapiro

[floral cloud]

I’m both I’m old enough to realized that Steven fucked up but also I see that the other party tried to do some shadier shit

[hidden quarry]

Lowk that’s what I’ve been sayin this whole time br

[zenith wigeon]

Go get em Steven

[topaz gull]

they are all mlm from what I gather, regardless, the product I bought was from Steven's marketing which was made up of false claims.

[topaz torrent]

Ill trade one really small horse 🐎 for all the Ashes of Creation

[hardy valley]

I mean, they literally tried to shirk all the responsibilities and move assets without paying employees, for instance. It's ridiculous to think that you can inherit everything but the reparations, and shouldn't be permitted. Hopefully not, at least.

[hidden quarry]

I lowkey deadass have to wait until penguinz0 makes a video before I form an opinion on this matter 😴😴

[topaz gull]

I can't wait to see what funny pop culture reference he likens it to! 🍆

[bitter jay]

anyone have tl/rd of that Steven post?

[floral cloud]

But what false claim did you fall for the game was being developed it had its core systems and some content inc that couldn’t be false was it the I paid for it using my own money claim? Is that what you feel was false

[potent arrow]

[hidden quarry]

What if he mentions…. A penis bro…. Bro….

[topaz gull]

I am comfortable with my sexuality so that's fine 😉

[hidden quarry]

I’m not… I might break… like a fragile vase… I don’t think I could endure it

[topaz gull]

There were several claims about the financing that he is now proving false by the submission he's making in the filings. But I was more upset at the claims of what would be in phase 2 of Alpha 2, that just weren't in there at all.

[fathom topaz]

Honestly I’m ready for ashes to drop the suprise update

[hidden quarry]

Bro I think Steven should pick up some other hobbies like baking or pottery yknow? I feel like this is spiking his cortisol

[hardy valley]

Dude's temporarily(?) blind and had kidney issues 🤣 I think he needs to pick up the hobby of doing nothing at home.

[hidden quarry]

I hate to see Jason brutally framemogging my boy stevo like this 😭

[hidden quarry]

Oh fr? I’m lowkey not tapped into any of this

[hardy valley]

Yeah. He suffered severe health issues.

[hidden quarry]

Oh shi-

[hardy valley]

I do hope he's recovering. I mean, in the name of health and humanity or whatever

[floral cloud]

I get it he presented a roadmap of what he would like to be in by phase two building a game is like building a house you can’t always get the time frame down to a dot there’s always going to be something that delays something I get what your saying about the money part me personally if he got the money from loans using his personal assets and collateral that makes it his money but I get it, other people have different opinions it’s not technically his own hard liquid money

[hidden quarry]

Yah lowk

[topaz torrent]

He got out of CA, Im sure hes doing better already

[topaz gull]

@floral cloud I can dig up the link later as I am about to head off, but the original statements about not having a board of investors influencing decisions was made in the early days when by accounts it was just him (though financed by these loans). But in December last year there was a stream with Esfand where he re-iterates the image of not having a board controlling things, though the language he uses doesn't outright deny that there was a board, just that they don't have a controlling say in the direction of the game. But from what he's filed, he is accusing them of controlling things from early last year iirc.

[hidden quarry]

“Chatgpt generate me some legal slop I can put into my discord to make the wavering peons muster their resolve and fight for me another day yet longer”

“Yes my king…”

[hardy valley]

Oh shit yeah you're right

[marble quartz]

Thank you Theresa Fette whoeveer the fuck you are. We should be gaming rn

[worthy salmon]

reading through the legal documents rn and i must say there's a lot of words

[hexed ingot]

fuck Dawson tbh

[marble quartz]

That one too

[topaz torrent]

And his creek

[hardy valley]

Fuck those MLM dudes

[hexed ingot]

god thanks for making me feel old

[floral cloud]

The time frame of when he said this and they did the unlawful foreclosure confuses me this is something I’m not sure of and haven’t looked into maybe I should but I don’t have a opinion about that lol

[hidden quarry]

If he put allat into like a 30 second video with the audio pitching up and down I think I would understand d what’s going on a lot more

[topaz torrent]

If I gotta be 40 in this mf Im gonna make yall feel 40 too

[hardy valley]

As someone who struggles paying attention, I suggest Kira. Normie language, easy to understand, many bright oo aa things happening on screen, brain happy

[hidden quarry]

Wait how old is this chat bro….

[hardy valley]

Older than me, like most things are

[floral cloud]

Ur like 32

[hexed ingot]

how old do you think average mmo gamers are

[topaz torrent]

I started following Ashes back in the mid 80s

[hardy valley]

GOD I WISH.

[hidden quarry]

Yeah ik it’s an aging demographic

[hardy valley]

Do you actually think that, please say you're joking.

[hidden quarry]

🥹

[floral cloud]

Based on name and Pfp your probably still a teenager

[hardy valley]

God I wish 🥹

[floral cloud]

Most mmo gamers are in their 30s

[hardy valley]

Those were the DAYS. Ain't got to do shit worth shit but sit around and do shit.

[hidden quarry]

Shit…

[hardy valley]

I'm 21 on the 30th. Jazz hands

[floral cloud]

Don’t tell me you alike 40+

[topaz torrent]

The only reason Im still around is because I was a supernerd as a kid and started typing 150 wpm, then I realized all video games are just hitting 4 buttons in the right order and I completely wasted my life

[hardy valley]

I appreciate that you went starkly higher, I take that as a compliment.

At least I can say that I've been misrepresented as an old, decrepit lardass instead of just a lardass.

[topaz gull]

all good man! haha yeah I did a trawl the other day to see when he stopped the marketing point about not having a board, and found that his language changed about it from "there is no board" to "there is no board making design decisions". So he didn't lie, but he also didn't outright state that his earlier notion of no board of investors etc (which I believe he last claimed in 2017/19 before he started getting funds from the investors) had changed. Whilst he might be able to weasel out of a direct lie accusation, his marketing was deceitful in that people believed the earlier statement still held true, particularly as the other marketing said they were transparent

[hardy valley]

Nooo, don't tell me you started typing slow

[topaz torrent]

I love how everybody hones in on the "whether he lied about a board" part like every other company in existence hasn't blatantly lied in severely more egregious ways as a business model

[runic forge]

I hope @vague leaf get's the company back and the board is forced to pay for the rest of the dev costs to make AoC

[hidden quarry]

Steven is going to win the case and get the company back. Then he funds the game and the team has been secretly been working on full release on their own the whole time and the golden age of mmos come back. We all start cheering and Steven celebrates! Intrepid!! Intrepid!!

[topaz torrent]

And scene

[hardy valley]

Imagine he wins and then just leaves with the money

HONESTLY? I'm not angry in this scenario. I can't be.

[hidden quarry]

My goat… would never… he said he cares about the community

[topaz torrent]

I wouldn't be mad at him either at this point with the way the internets treated him

[hallow hearth]

A month of radio static and somehow, Steven still has support.
The fact it has got to this point should be the queue to wake up.

[hardy valley]

I probably shouldn't start saying I'd do the same (even though I would, count on it) because I may potentially make an indie game someday ™

Give me 5 years to learn Blender, because 4 of those will be spent procrastinating, and then give me all your money on kickstarter. You won't get a product, but you will get a promise.

PP ™

[hidden quarry]

You have my backing

[hardy valley]

Good man. Expect to be hands on in the process of creating nothing at all.

[hidden quarry]

Yes sir

Chat do we think Steven sees blue & black or is he of the white & gold ilk

[worthy salmon]

basically we got a guy named Robert Dawson who lent money to Intrepid, then continuously said "yeah you don't have to pay it back rn" while he slowly gained power by saying "i ain't gonna pay you if you don't gimme more power"

then when he gained enough power to be the big dog, he nepotismed his friends Ryan Ogden, Theresa Fette and Aaron Bartels into the board

then he was like "let's make a new bank account so Steven can't see where the money's gone" and "let's publish to steam so we can make back some money to pay off the other investors who aren't part of our gang"

then he came up with a plan to close intrepid so they could take the assets for their own company without informing the other investors (namely banks) like he's legally meant to do

steven then was like "jhey wait i'm gonna tell the banks that you're tryna do that"

in response Dawson was like "okay intrepid didn't repay our stuff in time we're closing the company" then he tried to sell off the company privately without telling anyone

the banks found out and were like "wai no das illegal, valve, stop them from getting their money"

so then the board decided to fire everyone in Intrepid and was like "u wanna work on the game? wanna work for us instead...?" to force previous employees to work for them

that's the leadup to the actual court case (which i'm reading through now)

[dry bloom]

If Ashes of Creation pulls through this might be a revival as big as hytale

[hardy valley]

If this game pulls through I will never play any other game purely out of spite.

[hidden quarry]

Can you re-explain this in ninjago terms?

[hardy valley]

Not because I wantit to fail, but because the CHANCES are so out there right now

[worthy salmon]

can i do TMNT instead since i don't remember much about ninjago

[hardy valley]

Someone take the keyboard from me, I'm lying to myself now

[hidden quarry]

Yeah that works

[hardy valley]

Almost just sold everything with that one typo 🤣

[warm thorn]

the drama is getting more interesting KEK

[hardy valley]

I can re-explain in caveman terms

[hidden quarry]

Yeah go for it

Can everyone’s reexplain it with their own terms

So I can have a more full & nuanced understanding

[marble quartz]

Thank you AI:

Imagine Intrepid is the Monastery of Spinjitzu.
The Garmadon Loan (Robert Dawson):
Dawson arrives like Lord Garmadon at the start. He lends "Golden Weapons" (money) to the Monastery. Instead of asking for them back, he says: "Don't worry, keep them for now...". But every time he says it, he demands a bigger seat on the Council of Masters. Basically, he tells them that if they don't give him more power, he’ll stop protecting the Monastery.
The Skeleton Council (Nepotism):
Once Dawson has the keys to the place, he brings in his buddies: Ryan, Theresa, and Aaron. It’s like Garmadon putting Samukai and other Skeleton Generals on the Council of Sages just because they’re his friends, ensuring he controls every vote.
The Underworld (Secret accounts and Steam):
They decide to open a secret passageway (a new bank account) so that Steven (who plays the role of Master Wu here) can’t see where they’re hiding the loot. Then, they decide to sell "Monastery merch" in a distant village (Steam) to pay off other ninjas they owe money to, without sharing with the rest of the team.
The Serpentine Plot (Closing Intrepid):
Dawson and his gang plan to destroy the Monastery in secret, take all the Sacred Scrolls (assets) to their own private fortress, and leave the other investors (the Banks, who are like the Elemental Guardians) with nothing. It’s a total betrayal of the Ninja Code.
Wu Sounds the Alarm:
Steven (Wu) realizes the Monastery is about to be demolished and says: "I’m going to tell the Guardians (Banks) what you’re up to!".
Garmadon’s Counterattack:
Caught red-handed, Dawson goes full villain mode: "Aha! Since the Monastery didn't repay my weapons on time, I’m closing it myself!". He tries to sell the Monastery land under the table without telling anyone.
The Guardians Intervene:
The Banks (the Guardians) find out and shout: "Ninja-GO! That’s illegal". They ask Valve (who acts like the First Spinjitzu Master, controlling the flow of everything) to freeze the money so Dawson can’t get away with it.
The Forced Recruitment:
Finally, Dawson’s board fires all the Monastery ninjas. But then they approach them in the shadows and say: "Want to keep practicing Spinjitzu? Fine, but now you have to wear the black suit and work for my personal fortress instead." It’s a move to steal the talent after destroying their home.

[remote oxide]

https://tenor.com/view/nya-ninjago-nya-ninjago-nya-gasp-gasp-gif-17795611516499651255

[hidden quarry]

So Robert Dawson is sukuna and kept feeding yuji his fingers (funding intrepid) and eventually took over his body (shibuya incident) and fired gojo (sealed Steven in the PRISON REALM) and now we are in the culling games arc (court)

[hidden quarry]

That’s tuff asf thank you

[hardy valley]

Making AI do it is way more fun, hold on

I hate that I just asked it to explain to me in fortnite terms and it did. What the hell has this Earth come to

[dry bloom]

Can you re explain in skibidi brainrot terms

[unique prawn]

Is the Message of Steve gone? I fand find it anymore :p

[topaz torrent]

News

[hardy valley]

#news

[naive hill]

I thought people were up in arms because Steven kept saying the board and people said he was the board?

[marble quartz]

Dont make me do this please

[hardy valley]

People are up in arms about everything

[unique prawn]

Ah ty

[hardy valley]

People are up in arms about people being up in arms 🤣

[naive hill]

Trooo

[hardy valley]

Honestly, just watch the recent videos they really paint a good picture of what's going on. Public sentiment will always be fuck Steven even without waiting for anythign significant.

[worthy salmon]

ok so like the pizza place the turtles eat at needed money and so shredder (Robert Dawson) was like "i can pay for u, u can pay back later thx"
but then he was like "uh if u don't gimme more ownership of the place imma not pay the pizza staff"

then when he got ownership of the pizza place he turned it into the new foot clan base

then he decided to open up like a new payment app so that the pizza place can't track their sales and decided to start selling the pizzas in another store so they could pay off the other owners

then he made a plan to close the pizza place so they could steal the recipe for the foot clan but do it illegally because he's shredder

master splinter (steven) was like "no stpo"

shredder was like "nuh uh we hate ur rat ass we're closing it" then tried to sell the place to himself without telling anyone

the other owners were like "nuh uh this is our pizza" and sent the turtles to stop the foot clan from being funded by their second pizza place

and so the foot clan fired everyone in the first pizza place and was like "come join the foot clan"

[naive hill]

Im neither here nor there on him tbh. Don't care whose at the helm but more bothered about the game

[hardy valley]

Then you would benefit greatly from watching

[dry bloom]

waits

[young brook]

🍿

[marble quartz]

A Thundercats versión please

[naive hill]

But is there a video that explains it in game of thrones terms?

[worthy salmon]

i'm not old enough to remember thundercats i was like 8

[topaz torrent]

TMNT > Tunnels > Pizza > a Rat > you dont wanna know where this 🐇 🕳 goes

[marble quartz]

Oh cmon

[worthy salmon]

and that was the remake too

[naive hill]

Biker mice from Mars version. Kids won't understand

[worthy salmon]

actually wait no i was like 12 for the remake nvm

[hidden quarry]

Who’s physically larger? Robert or Steven? This is important.

[naive hill]

One of them might be a bear? Hell yeah

[hidden quarry]

Like who mogs who in this situation?

[worthy salmon]

idk but steven is probably manlier, nothing manlier than a gay man since it's two dudes doing the tango

[naive hill]

Can vouch for that

[hidden quarry]

Excellent point lowkey

[naive hill]

Kissing girls is soy. Kissing men is Chad.

[hidden quarry]

I might be on team Steven

[marble quartz]

Well, we could say that one of them threatened the other.

[hidden quarry]

Unless consensus shifts like if I see a Reddit post say the contrary I might have to change my opinion. I’d really hate to seem like I’m on the wrong side

[naive hill]

Hate them both equally

[hidden quarry]

I love them equally…. I wish they could hug it out… kiss a little bit on the cheeks

[naive hill]

Based.

[hidden quarry]

My heart is torn

[marble quartz]

What Is MLM, im old

[naive hill]

Multi level marketing

[marble quartz]

Ty

[naive hill]

If you see mlm mentioned. It's a pyramid scheme, no matter how much people try to say it isn't

[dry bloom]

genuinely I get being upset at steven, but why are we hating him, the game wouldn't exist in the first place without him, he's trying to build up an entire mmo by providing for it himself, sure this situation is very unfortunate but like if steven pulls through we still get the game, if he doesn't it's like he didn't start it in the first place

[hidden quarry]

Mine isn’t though fr I can explain to you how it’s different if you’re interested

[worthy salmon]

i mean there's a fundamental difference difference between MLMs and pyramid schemes

[hidden quarry]

Hi Steven! 👋 i hope you’re recovering well… please get some rest it’s getting late and you shouldn’t dwell this far into the night on something this stressful

[worthy salmon]

people invested time and money into it, so it's understandable

[naive hill]

Your ma sells avon

[worthy salmon]

realistically i'm with the courts, they have access to more information and are a better basis for understanding the legalities of the situation than the court of public opinion since, well, it's actually their job

[dry bloom]

Shakabalrightttt

[worthy salmon]

but i do think steven is innocent until proven guilty

well it's a civil case so it's more balance of powers but still

[marble quartz]

Good night dreamers

[naive hill]

I knew I should have bought star citizen instead of aoc /s

[hidden quarry]

I lowkey trust knowledgeable discord scholars over random judges they probably found off the street when it comes to things like this

[worthy salmon]

i mean i'm not exactly a knowledgeable discord scholar lol

[dry bloom]

I mean yeah I spent money on one of the first alpha releases as well, but I knew that it was an alpha and not a full game, and sure ppl invested time but the servers reset anyway, I played like 100 hours so I'd say the money I spent was worth it, and if the game recovers then it's even better, if not it's unlucky

[hidden quarry]

You are to me 🥹

[naive hill]

Yeah I only bought in recently on the smaller package to try it out. So I'm grand.

Do feel bad for those cash cows that got milked dry

[worthy salmon]

on another note, i think something important is this part in the documents, "The legal standard for a TRO and a preliminary injunction is 'substantially identical.'"
since Steven won the TRO, it means that he should likely win the preliminary injunction which basically does the same thing as the TRO and prevents Dawson and co. from accessing Intrepid stuff

[dry bloom]

stand grand, you are proud

[dry bloom]

If Hero Steven fights off all the evil demons, will he be able to continue his quest

[naive hill]

Im sure the board are the bad guys now but wasn't it Steven primarily before all this shit? Like the god awful BR attempt and it's cash shop iirc, can't blame the new board for that

[naive hill]

Then he moves onto dragon slayer and gets his rune armour

[dry bloom]

I didn't play after servers reset much but did he actually add p2w stuff? I thought all of the cash shop shit was just skins

[worthy salmon]

the BR he states was "mainly to test the infrastructure" (still could've done it in a better way than a BR) and the cash shop... honestly i kinda didn't have a problem with it but that's just me

i mean steven's still a villain for leading the players into thinking the game was self funded when he had a board of investors

[naive hill]

Yeah definitely way better ways. It was just to cash in on hype since it was around the BR boom I believe?

[worthy salmon]

yeah likely lol

weren't brs kinda dying by that point though

[hidden quarry]

What would Robert’s cursed technique be? Is he the strongest?

[dry bloom]

oh wait ur talking about the BR lol

[naive hill]

I think it was the tail end of BRs but not like dying

[tawdry pumice]

if he is speaking the truth than that would be my only gripe with him, I get why he would hide that but it's far from being "transparent"

[naive hill]

Very far from transparent haha. Literally misleading

[topaz furnace]

funded till completion doesnt mean taking loans in my book

[naive hill]

Is that what he said?

[worthy salmon]

^^ my main problem actually is, Steven states that Dawson and his friends have a record of doing this.. so why did Steven accept investments from him in the first place?

[topaz furnace]

yes..he said many times HE is funding the game from his money, till completion.

[dry bloom]

might not have realized their track record before the court

[tawdry pumice]

we shall find out eventually.

[undone phoenix]

Fukibg thieves. I wish the money you stole from me will paying your bills for health issue.

[naive hill]

Oooof

[worthy salmon]

hope that's the case

[naive hill]

Id hope so too but kind hard to not know if they're that big with it or not fully know who you're getting into bed with

[topaz furnace]

so, is Steven actually poor?

[worthy salmon]

no he's still pretty rich, he was making guarantees for the loans using his own personal assets

[topaz furnace]

why take loans in the first place?

[naive hill]

Using his personal ass, hehe

[tawdry pumice]

one side says yes and steven's side... not as rich as he claimed?

[worthy salmon]

i assume he's not rich enough to fund an MMO?

[topaz furnace]

he said he is...

[dry bloom]

I think Steven just had a set amount of money ready before development but realized that it wouldn't be enough to cover all costs, thus he used his existing money to take on loans

[tawdry pumice]

honestly who would want to fund mmo in NA the cost is insane here

[worthy salmon]

well he also said the game was self funded lmao

[naive hill]

Iirc he has some parts of his background/history that are shady so id take everything he says with a pinch of salt

[worthy salmon]

basically i feel like steven has misled us here and there about the funding of the game but overall i think his intention is still purely "make ashes"

[naive hill]

Legit. Make some gacha game with cute animes in Japan and make BANK

[topaz furnace]

I honestly dont care about this legal stuff, who wins and who loses...in both cases, players lose. There is no game.

[naive hill]

^^^^^^

[dry bloom]

well that doesn't have to be true, if steven wins on all accounts, there's a non 0 chance that the game gets continued, probably even slower and more delayed but continued

[tawdry pumice]

bad call, even if this somehow returns his company and assets, he will need funding again unless he has money somehow and the rehiring or new hiring of employees and training would extend the release even farther.

This scenerio is what I call the hopium scenerio

[naive hill]

If they win, ashes is sold and probably carried on into a shitty p2w version to make money back.

If Steven wins, who would want to rework for intrepid after that

[topaz furnace]

funded by who? developed by who? You think people will ever trust him again? and players? you think people will get burnt second time?

[fringe lark]

Provided he can get Bucky back it'll be fine lol but he has to win, and win fuckin big

[naive hill]

I can't wait for the "I won the lawsuit" cash shop

[tawdry pumice]

im not versed in federal law but if he wins does he get some settlement?

[dry bloom]

funded by him, developed by the old team. People don't have to trust him as they still will keep the access to the game, they can't exactly be burnt a second time.

[topaz furnace]

he wont win...and court will take years to settle this.

[worthy salmon]

i mean i still think his intention is make ashes, but i never said it would be feasible, because realistically, even if he somehow secured funding, the community trust in him and the product is absolutely down the drain

[dry bloom]

grumpy gramp over here geeze

[topaz furnace]

but he has no money...if he had, he would never lose control of the company lol..

[tawdry pumice]

very true

[worthy salmon]

and once again, that requires him somehow getting funding which i assume is going to be heavily scrutinised by the community as a whole

[fringe lark]

I'm not knowledgeable enough about it tbh

[worthy salmon]

it seems like the only credible investors so far are the banks, ironically

[naive hill]

Guys don't worry. Wow midnight is out now for your fix

[worthy salmon]

i don't play wow should i try it

[fringe lark]

Simple google search says yes, fed court can award damages.

[tawdry pumice]

i miss sport fishing already

[worthy salmon]

i heard the community for the game can be... less than desirable

[tawdry pumice]

forgive my laziness

[topaz furnace]

too bad I lost interest in WoW 10 years ago.

[naive hill]

Midnight is genuinely alright tbh, but I always play each expansion so I'm biased

[dry bloom]

It's not a very hard concept to understand man, he has money just not "developing an entire MMO for multiple years and paying all employees in the company salaries and benefits" money. He took a loan from investors, happened to be bad investors, tough luck, he should've been more open about taking in investors sure, but most of the time you don't expect your investors trying to fuck up the project they invested in. he'll just get different investors and will be more careful.

[naive hill]

Well you sit there in your corner

[worthy salmon]

how's the community though, cause like i'm coming from ffxiv here and community there is very important

[torn tapir]

I hope for p2w ashes bcs i got company and money is not problem for me, time is problem

[topaz furnace]

not a big fan of woke dragons, you know.

[naive hill]

Probably not as nice as ff haha

[naive hill]

"woke dragons" jfc

[tawdry pumice]

jesus

[dry bloom]

Alone, at the edge of the universe humming a tune....

[torn tapir]

Lets just hope ashes will be sold and at least mid p2w, finger crossed

[naive hill]

With that being said. Find a guild or a community and there's plenty of good social ones

[tawdry pumice]

i wanted ashes to escape mid p2w thats some ragebait

[naive hill]

XL games buys it and makes ashes of archeage

[torn tapir]

Well some people are not working or have some low tier work with plenty time so they can play and some are working like 10-12 hours a day what should we do then? How should we play?

[tawdry pumice]

go play one of the many mid p2w mmos

[topaz furnace]

Every wow expansion has same story..there is bad guy, who wants to destroy the world, but there are good guys, that hold hands and destroy bad guy with hope and friendship.

[naive hill]

Literally a you problem haha. Find something else xD

[torn tapir]

I am plqying throne, albion and want ashes to be under different company

[naive hill]

That's not what woke is but you beat that drum babe.

[torn tapir]

Look in albion you can buy everything with money and nobody cares so what

[topaz furnace]

I dont know what woke is..I dont live in murica.

[torn tapir]

Same goes for throne and nobody cares

[naive hill]

I've been many people complaining about thrones p2w before, so you're chatting shit

[tawdry pumice]

i mean you got Aion 2 , ArchAge Cronicles and Chorno Odyssey coming and all korean and very likely p2w mid 😛 no shortage

[worthy salmon]

ok i'm gonna start reading the part of the docs that's about the actual trial now, will return with my findings

[naive hill]

Post it on Tumblr

[torn tapir]

See as i told, if there are people to support the game where is the problem, with money games will be growing why are people against it

[tawdry pumice]

I wouldnt say im against it, I'd throw my money at cosmetics, just not gear stats

[naive hill]

I dunno, maybe the big court case going on and the staff being fired is a pretty big problem?

[torn tapir]

Archeage classis is not some p server?

[burnt bloom]

Whats the chances it smooths over and the game continues at one point?

[torn tapir]

Thats why i told i hope somehow they get ashes under different company

[dry bloom]

guys anyone wanna play some good old minecraft?

[tawdry pumice]

Archage Chronicles is a new action mmo they are working on, i'm not talking about the original archage

[vale musk]

Already play it daily 😂

[torn tapir]

You wrote about classis but official arche age is shut down or? I dont know

[naive hill]

Got ya. All depends on if it went to a different company and who. But no one's taking that unless they can make a profit and it wouldn't be little p2w it would be HEAVY probably

[torn tapir]

Plqy albion, there is no other game where you get hearth rate 150 just from plqying the game

[tawdry pumice]

I never mention the word classes so I'm not sure where you getting that from or you're misunderstanding.

[torn tapir]

You told me to play archeage classic, there is no world where i would support some fkin private server with money, just official companies

[dry bloom]

I do have a character on it, but the p2w was too crazy, u can pay for ingame currency when there's a literal playermarket 😭

[naive hill]

He said chronicles bro

[tawdry pumice]

id imagine he can't read or is trolling me at this point

[naive hill]

Average Albion online player I guess

[tawdry pumice]

😂

[torn tapir]

But Chronicles is rpg not mmo or?

[torn tapir]

Sorry omg

I am low at sleep for week too much work rn

[fading briar]

Mmo more like Vindictus (at least the last I heard) (so not mmorpg per say)

[tawdry pumice]

100% an mmorpg just now action style so i assume like Black Desert Online but thats just a guess

[tawdry pumice]

all good, I aint mad.

[dry bloom]

someone should make a Yggdrasil game just like the one in Overlord

[torn tapir]

Its funny that people from america complain about money like there are not all millioners

[tawdry pumice]

shit i wish i had money

[torn tapir]

All i see on instagram prople from america having everything vacstions big cars houses everything, even steven

[dry bloom]

bro if I had money I'd do similiar sht to elon musk, tryna explore the universe 😭

[tawdry pumice]

I'm willing to bet all that is rented for the day to take a photo and show off.

[worthy salmon]

"Sharif Decl. ¶ 8 (foreclosure has led to
substantial backlash within the gaming community and numerous refund requests for the
early access version of Ashes of Creation)"
crazy, backlash is backlash

[empty pumice]

[naive hill]

The veil of social media my friend

As yosha said. Rented or leased or up to their eye balls in credit card payments. People who actually have that shit don't care to flaunt it, cos they're not vapid, vain wankstains

[tawdry pumice]

Pretty cutthroat for views and likes in the social media world

[worthy salmon]

wait what the fuck is this part?
"The Nevada court issued a temporary restraining order on February 24, 2026 that temporarily enjoins Sharif’s “agents” from, inter alia, withholding usernames and passwords for Intrepid’s technology platforms"
doesn't this mean steven's people are not allowed to keep our data private

[naive hill]

Yeah. Sometimes I hate that I work in social media management 💀

[worthy salmon]

actually nvm it's about trade secrets so it might be referencing staff usernames/passwords

[tawdry pumice]

didnt the board file a restraining order first to provide access to the information first?

[dry bloom]

isn't it just preventing devs to enter their dev systems?

[tawdry pumice]

Gotta pay dem bills somehow

[worthy salmon]

yeah i think that might be the case

[naive hill]

Do be true. At least I work in the games industry side of it. I'll blow my brains out if I had to manage the pages of an influencer

[worthy salmon]

i don't read court documents but i like how the court document ends with "IT IS SO ORDERED"

[torn tapir]

I am spending like so less money, i dont even care what i have on me, ok i ordered nice car now but i try to hide everything from everyone so that i look broke

Thats the difference between americans and europeans, americans try to show even what they don’t own and europeans try to hide everything they have?

[hardy valley]

Trust, these sites are just cesspools where most of everyone is pretending to lead a certain lifestyle that they're just not. Hence why I stay away.

[clear sky]

@vague leaf are there any plans to continue ashes if the court rules in your favor, or is the outcome for us the same regardless of who wins this?

[hardy valley]

The moment any form of lifestyle hits the Internet I immediately don't view it as anything but scripted and staged, unfortunately.

[wary berry]

watch ozzie to see how real people live

[sweet kindle]

I always watch barron Trump and asmongold usualy american people live like them for sure

[wary berry]

real people who have millions anyway

[elfin owl]

I prefer watching rich millionaires that earned their money the American way.. politicians are the true honest Americans

[tawdry pumice]

who could doubt such honesty 😛

[elfin owl]

exactly, they solve problems that they caused, that's a good track record of success lol

[timber parcel]

The truth is always in motion

[dry bloom]

so literally any lifestyle that exists?

[torn tapir]

If you don’t show off on social media its actually more crazy bcs nobody know you have money and you enjoy life in privat. If you need to pretend that you have them mostly you don’t have them. I don’t post on social media since my customers are following me and i don’t need them to see i live good from their money 😂

[strange jolt]

Steven Sharif is a holy sandal. I believe him. Let's be patient for a couple of years and the game of our dreams will be returned to us! 🙏 Long live truth and justice.

[torn tapir]

Also i got family where others don’t make good money so show off in front of them would be rly weird, if someone would see me on the street without car they would think i need help

[empty pumice]

[elfin canopy]

[unreal otter]

@vague leaf just give all kick starter money back

[timber pulsar]

💸 💸 💸 👋 🫡

[subtle bough]

The game still up?

[dark cargo]

I belive Steven Sharif and also think he will be redeemed by history!!!!!!!

[pine vale]

yep

[fickle ermine]

are the servers still up I wanna play for a bit

[hardy tulip]

So much copium

[stone leaf]

I want to believe in the guy as much as the next person, but there's some serious elephants in the room needing to be addressed

For starters, why did he claim the game was fully funded out of his pocket when clear evidence imply that wasn't the case

Next, the apoc allegations are also huge, if the game was made on a separate UE project, that is a serious mismanagement of time and funds, not to mention a big breach of community trust

[dire walrus]

Regardless of who is actually right, the damage is done.

[delicate ivy]

i doubt ppl will care about dmg if a good game would be released 😄

[sly mantle]

the game is not getting released lmao

[fading briar]

I think it might have been true (the self funding part) until a certain point in time when investor came in. I want to give the benefit of the doubt of course like you

[agile lion]

not true, guy owned only 5% of company

[bold steeple]

so steven is saying there is no boards because he was putting his financial life on the case because he made people lend him money to pay for the game, because then he would need to pay these people later... makes sense... but still he should specify it like that and not only now that everything went to shit to specify lol

welll the way I see it, if steven despite being sketchy about all the info he relayed to us and not being specific, he actually wants ashes of creation to happen. So for all this shenenigans of court this court that should take place basically until Q4 and 2027 should take him another more time for him to hire at least 25% of devs again to have something to "start" again in development so we will have Alpha 3 around 2028 mid to late I guess. Ok... seems ok to wait that much, and dont get me wrong we won't have anything new I guess for A3, probably only the stuff which was coming barebones like second class and higher level cap, but yeah... AOC A3 around mid to late 2028.

IF @vague leaf wins.

BEcause winning back credibility to make people work again in intrepid studios will actually be the hard part... i bet he will need to get mostly junior level employees then seniors lol.

To get the credibility 100% back is when aoc actually launches 100% content, then people will pour in to maybe work.

[fickle ermine]

I don’t think it’s going to happen but I’m really sad it isn’t

[bold steeple]

But bro those automatic restart if we had them I would 100% still be playing this shit 😭

[bold steeple]

I think it will... it wouldn't make sense to steven go after aoc anymore if he did not care and stole from us. Unless he wants it back so he can at least sell it to some company for few millions.

[fickle ermine]

I’m not talking about what he wants but just the logistics of it all is probably not feasible anymore

[bold steeple]

Well until where the game was left, it was good enough (just not botters and RMTers/goldselling) to have fun.
If it takes him 2 years just to get a team to at least put server on and maintain (and it will or even more) while developing more content is another story since that will take much longer.
What I am just saying is... it is pretty much feasable (knowing that steven is still rich and has at least 100 million with him) with a small team just to put servers back on and wiped and maintain, until they start further developing is feasible, not to mention he will try to milk us with cosmetics.

The thing is... will we pay for it? will he get a basic revenue with cosmetics so he can start hiring more devs? thats the issue right now.
If he wins aoc back he just needs to know where he can get money from to pay to maintain and then later on pay to start developing.
Will it be from us? or any other rich guy around the world? Maybe his mom since his mom seems to be the richest from all this mlm fiasco.

In the end this still stands: https://www.twitch.tv/tgftavern/clip/HorribleAltruisticJuiceResidentSleeper-5iY4e_NaLP_gT7nr

Aw shit i was thinking it will embbed welp.

[round dome]

Bro he ain't winning, the restraining order was made because the judge has o fcking clue what's going on, so he said to not do sht until proof is presented so he can decide pretty much

[deep pecan]

So what Stephen said, there is a chance i still get my scarab mount?..? RIght?

[rain sorrel]

For me personally this hole situation is very simple.
Lied to everyone/community about funds just to get more sells/investors? That is shitty personality and a SCAM in my book.

There MUST be on records that he put his own at least $55m. If all invested money into Intrepid Studio are solely from kickstarter, investors, bank loans, early access sells, cosmetics etc. - he will never get my trust back - and I will encourage other people to NOT to trust him.

[halcyon summit]

Hope you manage to save it Steven. Wise keeping quiet until this first victory. But, rebuilding a whole development team is not a small feat. One step at a time ig. Gl

[spark briar]

@vague leaf you are scammer, I will never trust you again. 🖕

[oblique cypress]

bro cry for 60 euros when he lost his dream, millions and cridibility

[terse finch]

Is it too much to ask for something like this though?
“Sorry I lied about not having to answer to a board and potentially giving the wrong impression of how the project is funded”
Like… I want AoC to live I love the game but what bothers me most is just that basic honesty is missing while claiming for years to be different from other studios

[glossy jetty]

then what'r you doing here dumb? GTFO

[untold matrix]

I agree with you 💯 Every time the board is brought up and how malicious it is and how much he cares about the game and community, all I can think of is how he lied of the boards existence and initial company funding. I don't care about your nicely buttered up comments about how much you care about the game, the company, it's former employees, and the community. If you cared you would not have lied and told half truths and he does not have the guts to acknowledge those lies. He just uses juicy language to make it seem like an "us" vs "them" scenario.

[grim stream]

Wahhhh

That’s all I got from your text block

Wahhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[sick flint]

im willing to wait it out, if steven wins, then i will give it another try, but i already accepted the reality that i lost all the money i sank into it

[grim stream]

Losers crying like children

[sudden spruce]

Want to believe but also idk. Im on the board of 2 companies. Dunno how Steven can say what he's saying... At what point did he give away the majority of the company to lose control of the board? Cause if he values the IP and work put in by employees.... Why the fuck would you sell over 50% of the company.

[empty birch]

Shouldn't be so hard on yourself

[grim stream]

Reading comprehension has failed you. Not surprised

[sly creek]

I said a hip hop, the hippie, the hippie to the hip hip hop, and you don't stop. A rock it to the bang bang boogie say up jumped the boogie, to the rhythm of the boogie, the beat.

[empty birch]

Thanks, i try my udder best

[thorn shore]

The reality is this: all of this was driven purely by human greed, a very common flaw where people put themselves first and lack empathy. What we are seeing looks like a company trying to take control of the code, and it would not surprise me if in the near future another “promising” game suddenly appears on the market built from what came out of this situation, essentially an attempt to take advantage of the Ashes of Creation source and its work.

Personally, I believe Steven will regain his project and hopefully learn from the mistakes that were made, maybe even from a certain lack of caution or experience in dealing with people in positions of power. I believe Ashes of Creation will return and rebuild the trust of the players, because it is painful to see a game with such a bright future, almost like a noble child being rejected by its own family.

Many people here invested money and time into the game, but that is nothing compared to the employees who suddenly lost their salaries and benefits. Everyone involved is dealing with problems of very different scales.

One concern is that the game was on Steam. I am not sure Steam would easily accept it again in their catalog, which could mean that future updates might not come through Steam, and players who bought the game there could face issues. But in the bigger picture, that may actually be one of the smaller problems.

The one positive thing in all of this is that Ashes of Creation did not die. It feels more like it is rising from the ashes, and hopefully it will return stronger than ever.

I have no regrets about buying this game. In the end, it was only a few euros, which won’t make me richer or poorer. After all, I got more than 500 hours of entertainment out of it. Now, maybe not for you, but for others it seems to be a huge amount of money, since they are here deliberately slandering other people over it.

[elfin owl]

we shall see, Otto, I enjoyed the last few years of testing it, met some awesome folks and got to enjoy what felt like an actual game. It's too early to say Ashes will be revived, I'm way too pessimistic to believe it will. Just sit back and enjoy the show

[thorn shore]

I got u I say this because the game itself is already very good and quite complete for an early access release. The product is great overall, of course it still needs some bug fixes like any game that is still in development.

I have a very positive feeling that Intrepid will regain control of the project and continue its development with even more focus and experience. In the end, whether we like it or not, situations like this also have a positive side for the team: life experience and a reminder that people can be flawed, which means you should never fully trust anyone.

[true swift]

I think you are in his cave lol. Also grow the fk up

[grim stream]

Wow you really thought you were cooking there. That’s embarrassing tbh

Everything, just in general

For someone who talks so much, you say very little of substance

No self awareness

You’re spamming

One of those people who thinks if they talk last that they win

[hearty patrol]

Give each other a kiss of approval and let's wait for further information

[grim stream]

That’s right you have none congrats

Agreed your reading comprehension is 0, I guess you have some self awareness. Amazing

[past rain]

So, what's for breakfast? Just past 5am here.

[elfin owl]

Polar Lives Matter

[true swift]

sTevEN LiEd tO Us 😭 oh I will never forgive him. If he lied for marketing purposes its not illegal so whatever. just move on

[empty birch]

Did you just learn about reading comprehension? Seems like that's your only argument for everything so far.

[elfin owl]

can we not insult people's reading comprehension? This is the internet, show some damn class

[proper raft]

he did not even apologised to lie about the board and now he want us to be on his side attacking the board? nEvEr HaS a BoArD!

if he lied "for marketing", he wasn't on the side of the players anyway

[true swift]

im in the right place, i like ashes and believe its not over.

[quick totem]

so uh. completely out of the loop here but...looks like I wont be playing ashes any time in the near future then?

[true swift]

And I never cared where the money were coming from

[harsh frigate]

i hope there is light at the end of the tunnel, i almost bought the new wow expansion yesterday shudders

[fresh sparrow]

Just play path of exile bros and monsters and memories my dudes

[sweet kindle]

if you're in danger blink twice

[tranquil echo]

yes he does

intrepid does technically

[errant silo]

hold strong my friend hold strong

[harsh frigate]

❤️

[hearty patrol]

[limber oriole]

Steven, just read the statement. I truly hope you get justice and it fixed. Ashes is an amazing game and you and the community behind this deserve better. I hope all comes to light and they get a good fisting

[barren raptor]

Whats happening bro

[solar hamlet]

@vague leaf my guy. We cant wait for AoC to be back.

[sage portal]

I'm calling cap

[inner citrus]

in the end, is it a complete scam, or mismanagement and a scam?

[languid ivy]

Just read the detail in the #news

[waxen tundra]

Steven will save us and I will play ashes of creation

I read that

[delicate osprey]

No you did not 👀

[waxen tundra]

I have the all seeing eyes of perfect timing

[delicate osprey]

😂

[waxen tundra]

Years of training reading subbed animes

[proper raft]

make believe

[mild pilot]

So did Steven put $55 mil of his own money, not loans from other people, into Intrepid after all? Really hope that's the case because claims like that are why I bought A1 access, bought numerous cosmetics to support the game, and spent thousands of hours discussing the game as a fan

[pseudo token]

xDrac you stil alive and here! 🫶

[balmy owl]

This will in an interesting court battle for sure.

[marble jewel]

[solar hamlet]

AoC gave me that itch that i never got after WoW. We need AoC bruh.

[hazy aspen]

please bring AOC back im tired of WOW already

[waxen tundra]

all of the doubters will be named and shamed when ashes goes back up

[native sleet]

So is aoc back or what

[edgy sandal]

MAN, i love being right,and all these Fvckin Losers out here listening to youtube lawyers and the most shvtty streamers about whats what and what went down with ashes. i truly hope every person who spent the last few weeks speaking on podium about how it was all a scam feel as monumentally stupid as they should. you losers suck

But this is a federal court case which means the battle will be long, and i had no clue that it was that asset of Dawson who steven was partners with for this project, that entire company has a history a buying projects chopping them up and selling them to korea and china and the like for monetary gain implementation into other games. this battle will be long but it will be worth it.

[digital sapphire]

Let's hope it does come back with everything it promised as MMO have gone downhill over the last few years and no matter how many times Blizzard release classic the itch to play just isn't there

[waxen tundra]

IF it goes back up im sure it will be awhile before it gets to that lol he is making is sound like it set them back awhile

[sage bane]

Nice to see some hopium flowing in here again

[waxen tundra]

my hope never left it just wasnt worth sharing to the coward doubters

[obtuse hull]

I was shitting on steven and this whole situation before but man i wish you win steven and make ashes great again

[edgy sandal]

breaking trust like that is gonna make the project a pariah for a while and in the absolute best outcome, only the core team that we worked with for years before phase 3 ever started will likely come back to work on the project ut not many others until clear leadership is defined and trust starts to get built again

[hot glen]

I need my money back or shit is gonna go side ways

What a fucking scam this game was 50$ for what dogshit

[waxen tundra]

i think we will be alright bro

[hot glen]

They were obviously just scamming

[obtuse hull]

Mhm crashout even more

[waxen tundra]

living life with such a smooth brain is such a gift bro sadly i could read since 6 years old

and that game your talking bad about will be far better then any game you could suggest to us for the next 20 years

[limber oriole]

He was managing his team but pretty hard to "manage", a hostile takeover lol. Money's money,get over it.

[summer vigil]

can someone give me a TLDR of the News ?

[edgy sandal]

all these fvckin basement goblins still going at it. stfu youre nobodies, irl and online @jolly epoch @winter mountain @hot glen stop talking get off the internet and go apologize to the trees for wasting the oxygen they work so hard to produce

[waxen tundra]

based on your trust me bro feelings or what lol

[limber oriole]

😂😂👌👌

[hot glen]

Give me a call pussy 6034889201 let’s talk fucking bitch

This kids a loser what are you doing on discord at 8 am

[edgy sandal]

basically Steven has filed in Federal court and one the initial hearings to stop dawson from selling ashes IP. and won. but this will be a long battle

[waxen tundra]

its 5 am

[limber oriole]

Grow up 🤣🤣🤣

[quaint pilot]

Dawg, I’m signing you up for soooo many robo calls.

[limber oriole]

IQ of a goldfish

[edgy sandal]

better yet lets just meet somewhere in Tyler Texas im fucking DOWN, we can film it and itll be my intro to future ashes streams

[waxen tundra]

yeah hes giving his real number bro .. lol

[hot glen]

You wanna film something naw bro I don’t swing that way wtffff

[limber oriole]

Im in,can I get some rights to use as my stream into too?

[waxen tundra]

folds immediately

[edgy sandal]

hell yeah ill free license that shit, use it to your hearts content

[limber oriole]

❤️🤣

[hot glen]

Play a man’s game he’ll let loose Vietnam then get back to me man child

[grizzled nimbus]

Ngl haven’t hopped off in A2Gen chat in a minute. U guys are some wolves Goin at it. Good morning to everyone else enjoying the show. 😂

[waxen tundra]

damn bro got the doubters in here shaking and making shit up now lmao

[ocean trail]

“He’ll let loose” name of your homosexual sex tape

[edgy sandal]

🤣

[waxen tundra]

https://giphy.com/gifs/dead-brain-braindead-gz8JHkRnbUromYpuNc

[grizzled nimbus]

^

[waxen tundra]

its alright reading will suffice

[grizzled nimbus]

dead-brain-braindead is crazy work. 😅

[waxen tundra]

"scammed" i had over 1k hours bro lol i hella got my moneys worth

nah none looked good or i woulda

[grizzled nimbus]

I had like 8 total. 😢

[edgy sandal]

i paid over 550 total got like 4 thousand hours of game play. even if the project doesnt resume im good with what i paid

[waxen tundra]

yeah well tough bro

dont buy a game next time

youve spent way more time in here crying

[edgy sandal]

shouldnt of listened to youtube loawyers and teh shit creators that ashes chose to represent them, then maye you wouldnt want your money back because youd of seen what was going on and still had some semblance of hope

[grizzled nimbus]

It's all good. I only soemt the $55 entry fee bk in December. Sucks I can't get that back. But I'm seeing some of yall that paid 200-500... Yea yall might have a reason to be upset.

[waxen tundra]

bros gotta go complain somewhere else probably

its clearly his full time job

[edgy sandal]

dont feel bad for those of us who paid 500 or so dollars, there are those that paid upwards of $10,000 dollars, those gusy are devestated atm

[waxen tundra]

enjoy bro you will not be missed

[grizzled nimbus]

Oh shit. Yea. They're in shambles. Can't even really post in here because they're too busy trying to recover. 😂😂

[unborn socket]

Or the occasional person who tags Steve expecting to be special enough for Steve to answer them back.

[waxen tundra]

yeah thats the issue with old people thats had the life sucked out of them bro they see nothing but the worst in life

i was enjoying myself shame

[grizzled nimbus]

Did u just thanos snap this guy out of the chat?

[edgy sandal]

wait did he just leave?

[waxen tundra]

steven showed up at their houses and put an end to them

[unborn socket]

Rip

[grizzled nimbus]

Damn. He got "murdereded".😂 😂 😂

[unborn socket]

You could say he created some ashes out of them

[shadow dawn]

never got that much content out of a game after it died

[waxen tundra]

boring baiters bro and when you call them out slightly they cant even speak correctly smh

[grizzled nimbus]

Damn. @waxen tundra over here like "bring me my next opponent"!

[waxen tundra]

its simple cause they all just repeat the few sentences from the same youtube videos lol

[edgy sandal]

we got like a year atleast of legal litigation and shit, someone get me in touch with polar members, i wanna fly them out to Texas to whoop their ass one by one for all the bs they pulled. thatll pass the time until this situation is resolved

we need variety for stream intros afterall

[iron parcel]

Game's dead?

[coarse hull]

Been dead

[iron parcel]

What do you mean?

Will it be resurrected?

[azure hull]

nobody knows

[iron parcel]

Why so?

I'km not really that patient and into this stuff to read and understand his statement. Can you short it a bit?

[edgy sandal]

you didnt read teh court documents did you

[gaunt prairie]

ok mister i know everything better thant judges

[azure hull]

dunning kruger syndrome is real on internet

[gaunt prairie]

you just saying bullshit and trolling free

no one here knows or can know how it will go

[edgy sandal]

basically, steven won the preliminary and was able to get a restraining order on TFE and Dawson to keep them from using, distributing or selling Ashes IP. its step 1 of a long LONG fight but the first step was a victory

[iron parcel]

https://klipy.com/gifs/gorilla-surprised

[young remnant]

Didn t I see a post from Steven stating he resigned? How did he manage to post in the Intrepid news channel???

[edgy sandal]

legalese is a bitch to understand unless youre in that job field but basically the judge gave some heavy ammo to steven to use in the upcoming court battle

[azure hull]

waooow

[iron parcel]

WHAT DOES IT MEAN?? So whta if he won? Will it mean that the game is completely shut down? Why can't he give rights to the new management of intrepid, I mean it's their studio now, so also their game, right?

[remote pumice]

I don't understand how so many people instantly believed the lies. If you've watched Steven do his live stream updates for years and years, you should know how much this game meant to him.

[eternal dagger]

Discord Permissions aren't directly tied to the company.

[azure hull]

and this discord channel isnt TFE holding's channel

[edgy sandal]

youre jsut gonan need to read teh court documents and the statement. TFE basically hostile take over'd intrepid to try and make a quick buck and sell IP to most likely foreign entities. Dawson started TFE for a butcher shop. its a shit tactic that alot of rich people use in a game industry

[azure hull]

theres bunch of youtube videos too if too lazy

[edgy sandal]

homie you havent or werent a part of ashes long enough to comment. sit down with your inductory EA play

[remote pumice]

Reading his post only takes a few minutes...

[gaunt prairie]

seems he didn't directly funded it, but indirectly by putting his personnal assets in caution against credits

[waxen tundra]

https://giphy.com/gifs/dead-brain-braindead-gz8JHkRnbUromYpuNc

[gaunt prairie]

feel free to get a life at all instead trolling

[sharp condor]

Just because you fully fund doesn’t mean there isn’t a board. All LLCs have a board. He may have been the sole member until he took money from Dawson and Dawson probably said he would need a seat if he helped with funding. It’s not that hard to believe and understand. Then it just kept unraveling

[remote pumice]

Commenting ignorantly, refusing to educate yourself, when the post is just a few channels up. How is that helping anything? lol...

[unreal shard]

are the chatlogs between Steven and that Jason guy fake?

[gaunt prairie]

"Much of the capital provided to the company came through lenders who extended financing based on my personal guarantees and the collateralization of my own assets and equity."

[edgy sandal]

as is the case with every company on earth. I'm assuming that secondary funding was needed when they went from 12 devs to 200+ devs/employees

[waxen tundra]

the dude just posts rando comments trying to bait people they usually get taken care of shortly

[gaunt prairie]

yeah agree

[remote pumice]

I'll just take your advice, block and move on. Go read...it's really not that hard.

[iron parcel]

[gaunt prairie]

gen Z can't read correctly :x

[low sphinx]

Let's just all get along and accept we've been hoodwinked.

[empty pumice]

[remote pumice]

I'm pretty sure he can get AI to read it to him if it's too difficult.

[gaunt prairie]

ahah true

[remote pumice]

It will even define words that are difficult to understand. 🙂

[waxen tundra]

they are just trying to start arguments as usual

[edgy sandal]

its not their fault. that study showed that for the first time in history a generation has a lower median IQ than the previous generation. Gen Z is like the throw away generation, lower bone density, lower average IQ, lower testosterone.. they got shafted

[empty pumice]

... yea even basic words are difficult

[waxen tundra]

sadly most of the ones talking shit in here are in their 40's lol

[low sphinx]

It's not their fault, it's tiktok.

[edgy sandal]

lol damn Alzheimer's

[low sphinx]

And they didn't get all those cool "got milk" ads we got in middle school

[rotund knoll]

• Dawson voted himself and Ryan Ogden, his close business associate, onto the board
  of directors. Id. ¶ 45. In September 2024, the board appointed Dawson as Chairman of the
  Board and Ogden as CFO.

[edgy sandal]

yeah that didnt make sense to me, idk how he did that when the board was steven and his husband. i suspect cohersion of withholding those payroll funds was used to give him the power to vote himself onto the board with one of his partners but only time will tell how it happened

[waxen tundra]

yeah bro the ones arguing and saying he scammed watched one video on it and thats their whole view on it and are impossible to change just let em be ignorant

[rotund knoll]

Earlier that year:

• In May 2024, Dawson securitized his debt against all assets and all personal property
  of Intrepid, including intellectual property, which includes the Trade Secrets Materials.

.... Basically, he put himself as owner of the company with this illegal Schedule 9

[lost jewel]

So he was a majority shareholder?

[edgy sandal]

yeah imo the smartest move, or maybe it was jsut sheer luck on stevens part that he already had a senior loan in place before dawson come on board. whether it was stevens plan to create an intentional buffer or just sheer luck of timing that pre dated loan against his personal assets is what is helping right now personal as in the IP for ashes

[rotund knoll]

Yess

[rotund knoll]

Luck for sure. There is a lot of Lucky things happening

[lost jewel]

So its not that the risk was Stevens alone ?
And in fact, seems like majority of the risk was Dawson?

[edgy sandal]

no for dawson it doesnt matter if he wins or loses, for years this is how he operates, he comes in destabilizes and company butcher shops its and sells whats valuable. its like the whole thing hes known for allegedly according to the courts

[empty pumice]

[mild pilot]

According to a dropped lawsuit

[lost jewel]

No, i referring to Stevens reddit post about financing where he said that the risk was his

[edgy sandal]

date of the reddit post?

[low sphinx]

Nobody will know what's going on until they prove how much he did or didn't use funds intended for development on whatever amount of personal expenses like his mortgage and why exactly he pulled the 3.7 mil at the end. Everything is just speculation from now until quite awhile.

[rotund knoll]

Dawson's Move
Step 1 : become investor/shareholder
Step 2 : drive the company into debt
Step 3 : obtain company for cheap because of debt
Step 3 : (bonus) use the debt from the company as part of his purchase of the company
Step 4 : this clears his debt/loans and he can

• sell the game (immediate money)
• continue development (another investment)

Step 5 : sell to his new company and business partners and avoid legally paying the Intrepid Employees owed money for services

[lost jewel]

12 hours ago

[lost jewel]

How he’s doing step 2 if Steven was CEO at the moment?

[edgy sandal]

i dont have reddit but i would like to see the post can you dm me a link?

[rotund knoll]

He was making many financial choices i believe. I can check that out

[lost jewel]

The minority shareholder cant shovel debt into company throat.
The majority one probably can, but at that point it is he who mostly owns the company

[edgy sandal]

oh the reddit post was the same post that he posted in the news tab here. okay

[lost jewel]

The lines about how company was financed and whose risk it was

[edgy sandal]

it doubt it is something we will get in teh short term or even really in the long term but a timeline of revenue streams would be helpful to those of us who are merely curious about it all. because yes steven staked his dream and life(house all that good stuff) against a promisary note for the funds for the company when it first started out but obviously once the company grew its not like he had more houses and IP to press up against a new loan so as the company grew he needed other avenues of revenue andthats where dawson came in

[rotund knoll]

From 2021 to ownership
Dawson became a lender, and he was in control of the payroll and then later became a major shareholder.

[lost jewel]

Since Steven posts reactions here:
How the company was forced into debt? Exact mechanism pls.

[lost jewel]

Lenders are not in control of the company and payrolls unless defaults occurs

Plus, what happened of Steven’s “collaterized by my assets” and “risk was his”?
Cause according to all of that, risk was company’s

[rotund knoll]

I think you would have to ask Dawson for that

[edgy sandal]

Think of it as being the one in charge of the bank if youre playing monoploy, while everyones rolling dice and buying property you can slowly slip a 500 dollar bill into your own tack and theyll be none the wiser until eventually you have so much capitol that you can buy everything and take everything

[lost jewel]

Id like to ask Steven, cause its his statement

[rotund knoll]

I'd ask the person who is avoiding paying all the previous Intrepid employees

[lost jewel]

You mean, the owner of the company?
So it is Dawson, right? 🙂
That what is lawsuit is about? 🙂

Who should have access to assets then?

[rotund knoll]

We will wait until March 18th to get more information. I got nothing in legal terms. I was just excited to read the news. And I hope the rightful ownership returns to the correct hands

[low sphinx]

Depends if you ask AI or reddit, "Sharif directed the transfer of nearly $3.7 million from the Steam early access launch to his personal bank account—funds that were reportedly earmarked for employee payroll"
Though that's obvious

Allegations vs Allegations vs Allegations. All hearsay for now.

[edgy sandal]

Please read the court documents it mentions Valve and what happened there. steven gave us some info and timelines in his text but the actual court documents will help you piece together what really happened at the start @lost jewel

[rotund knoll]

Intrepid shut down.... then Bank heard about it.... then Steam heard from the bank and removed it from the store

[edgy sandal]

i wonder how many injunctions dawson is going to file...dawsons gonna try and bleed steven dry so he cant even continue the court filings

[low sphinx]

Wasn't there an influx of refund requests before actually pulling it?

[lost jewel]

Simpler explanation:

• Dawson becomes lender
• Steven keeps asking for money to continue dev
• Dawson was giving money for more of the company
• at some point Dawson understands that it could not continue that way and wants to restructure assets of the company
• Steven’s tantrum.

Although i agree that in the end it was done in a sloppy way (ignoring warn, seniority of claims, etc)

[edgy sandal]

i think the owner of the senior lien had already contacted steam before the refund requests started

[rotund knoll]

Yes there was a huge influx of refunds.

Steam is no longer partners with Intrepid once the bank told them too

[low sphinx]

That makes sense it would take time to go through that

Idk guys. It looks shady and someone trying to get out of financial liability with launching on steam to avoid kickstarter refunds. I suppose it's just a matter of who

[rotund knoll]

are more interested in the success that the game showed in numbers? Although 20% was due to bots

[low sphinx]

It definitely wasn't ready

[rotund knoll]

I liked pre-alpha

I liked Alpha 2.5

[lost jewel]

What success?
9 mln gross on 140 invested on project before going to steam?
Thats like 5ish mln net at best, which is extra 1-2 month of dev with their opex

I do not see how it shows success. He got at best funds to keep studio for an extra month

[low sphinx]

I liked a decent amount of it, but it wasn't near what it was supposed to be and not something that was a real competitor yet

[edgy sandal]

i have a feeling that the unplanned EA launch was either a pressured attempt forced by dawson to try and gain capital OR it was an attempt by steven to try and gain capital to keep dawson from heavy handing the company. idk again its all speculation and hearsay. we wont know until we know

[rotund knoll]

I'm sorry, I don't value your feedback with this attitude. Good luck

[low sphinx]

Right. We don't know who is more at fault, but I'd reckon they all hold some fault and irresponsibility

There was a lot of time where a lot of wrong moves could be made

[rotund knoll]

If i recall correctly.
Steven said he voted against it

[edgy sandal]

oh yeah 100% there is fault on all sides, albeit maybe stevens only fault was jumping into bed with someone with the track record that Dawson has. but as it stand we have 1 side of the initial story and one set of actual court documents so we dont have much but its more than we had

[rotund knoll]

I might keep that quote around forever...
Steven Said

[edgy sandal]

ahh okay, yeah i didnt know that

[low sphinx]

I imagine by the time we know the full story, the game will sadly be long dead from the holdup. What do you reckon?

I think there's too many disputes for any progress to be allowed to be made, even if some party has intentions to continue or attempt to.

[lost jewel]

Sorry, finance numbers (according to Steven) shows that there was no way he could keep dev process unless he would be able to pull extra investments.
At that point board (shareholders, of which dawson was majority one) decides what to do 🤷)

Just numbers, nothing else:
800 per week opex (per steven)
9 mln gross on steam (plus at least 30% steam cut). But even without the cut… thats 3 month.
Whats then?
Even if someone wants to finance - Dillute shareholders? Ofc as a majority one, Dawson would be pissed.

[rotund knoll]

If the ownership falls back into Intrepid. I'll apply for Narrative design.

I know Hella lore

[edgy sandal]

my Hope is that at most it will push development back by 3 years given the down time and eventual restructuring of development. but the realist in me sees this as something that the courts will drag out for atleast 2 years and we may never get to see Ashes in its full right. but i really want to see ashes made whole

[delicate osprey]

❤️

[low sphinx]

I would love that as well, it was the only MMO I held any excitement for since everquest next died. But yeah, with the costs and delays I just don't think it'll be possible realistically and we'll just have to wonder what could've been.

We can hold our breath for Riots MMO being something playable I guess, but not nearly the same kinda game even if successful

[edgy sandal]

same here. im still gonna hold out hope. i didnt invest almsot a decades worth of time to just quit out on hope because some youtuber wanted clicks and spread false info. im taking a realistically hopeful approach from here on out lol

[rotund knoll]

Can definitly agree. financially not very successful yet.
But the mmorpg stats were showing great results as they showed signs of quickly getting better.

🔥🧡I wish I could react

[low sphinx]

That's fair enough. Youtubers will all say the sky is falling for a few bucks about anything. Things aren't super optimistic at best, but it doesn't hurt to not be incredibly negative.

[lost jewel]

That may be how players make their decisions, but not how investors think about it.

There are tons amazing games which failed financially.
If you were an investor in a good, but financially failing game… what would you do?
I think cutting losses (or better - restructure and reduce costs of dev by outsourcing ) was as good decisions as any others

[west dew]

I read a WHOLE lot of stevens statement, and the thing that stood out the most is ''When we launched early access'' no bro... YOU DIDNT LAUNCH lmao, we are alpha, not LAUCHED early access 🤣

[edgy sandal]

the question i would have is, say everything goes ideally and it all falls back into control of steven and the original dev team, their costs were due to a larger dev/employee increase and working to hit faster deadlines. i Wonder if all goes well if it wouldnt be better for them to down size employees even if it adds another year or so to development

[low sphinx]

I don't think there'd be any option but to downsize and really focus on one thing at a time. Best case scenario

Otherwise it'd be destined to drown quickly

[rotund knoll]

I wish I had the money to be an investor so I could apply their logic.

Currently I would only invest money I am willing to lose anyway 🤣

But i worked for a papermill and the "Owner" is actually 2 investors who pass ownership back and fourth every few years so they can secure new business loans. That was something mind boggling for me

[low sphinx]

That's fucking wild lol

[edgy sandal]

i agree 100%. i feel like thats the course they should of taken to begin with. one thing at a time and finish that thing and move on instead of 100 things at a time and trying to polish them all at once.

[low sphinx]

Yeah. You try to do everything at once and you get nothing fully completed

[lost jewel]

Also agree
But id also argue that Dec 2025-Jan 2026 it wouldve been too late to do so unless there’s extra financing was available

[low sphinx]

I worked in government contracting (please don't see this government) and my boss worked for one large company that was allowed to take certain types of contracts. The ones they couldn't take, he made his own company geared towards those and used his employment there to hire his own company. Which gave him kickbacks for finding a company for those contracts as well

I also worked with FEMA while it existed and mannnn the structure there, don't even get me started. Killing that was actually one good decision made 😂😂😂😭

[rotund knoll]

Maybe I should apply for a job position that I have no business being in.

I can make money doing that

I'm gonna apply as professional actor and list a bunch of Disney shows

[low sphinx]

I mean Robert Pattinson lied on his resume to get into Harry Potter, ended up as Batman. Could work for you too @rotund knoll

[hexed ingot]

the depths of your stupidity is truly fascinating

[rotund knoll]

Ayyyy, Leshrac

[low sphinx]

He never went to those schools he claimed lol. It showed in the first Twilight

Faked it til he made it.

[rotund knoll]

I could perform in the first twilight. Just need stale emotions and to stand awkwardly

[low sphinx]

Just hold in having to use the bathroom and you've got it

No fiber for a month

[rotund knoll]

I'll ask the cameraman what to do. I think that's the most solid choice

[low sphinx]

Definitely showcases previous competence lol

[rotund knoll]

"Hey man just curious cause it's my first movie don't tell anyone, but can you help me make my eyes stand out? Like, you think i can have the makeup artist glue them open a bit? I really wanna make them a feature."

[low sphinx]

If Lil B was able to be a rapper even shortly, you maybe could win an Oscar. Anything is possible

[low sphinx]

Ask for the 2026 Jim Carrey look

[rotund knoll]

Pass

I actually replaced my first, middle, and last name with the word Curls.

[low sphinx]

The girls on my timeline that feel mercury in Gatorade are still delving into his cloning so maybe it is best to stay away from that look

[rotund knoll]

I'm gonna do voice dialog for Ashes of Creation NPCs in my future. I know it

[low sphinx]

Viva la Dirt League should take over

The skycraft NPCs could be an upgrade at this point

They just raised 1.4 mil on a successful short kickstarter too, they could get some funding and put you on.

[rotund knoll]

OH hello, come to buy some potions have you?

**sells all my glint

Oh fair creation of Vyra you've massacred many foul beasts

**sells 300 copper, Zinc, and basalt

Where the hell did you keep all this shit then?

[low sphinx]

Hired

[rotund knoll]

Basically... I mean now the camera video people are supposed to make it funny?

And we are supposed to be having this conversation already, and recording it i believe

(But I don't have a cameraman yet)

[open island]

So does Steven's legal update change things for anyone?

[quick yew]

I ain't reading all that 🥀

[open island]

Man's can read discord chat but not a thread/post lol

[strange talon]

https://tenor.com/view/h2di-cat-dead-cat-depressed-cat-laying-gif-11402833644907079653

Hopeful but dead inside

[hexed ingot]

zoomers cant handle anything that takes longer than 10 seconds to read

[quick yew]

too long, probly dont say anything we dont already know anyways

bla bla bla, scammed you guys, bla bla bla, the board, bla bla bla, get fd

[bitter fjord]

copy pasta to an llm exists 🤣

The TLDR of it is that federal court will decide the official narative at this point

[hexed ingot]

this is why i dont take anything you idiots say seriously; I know you're not able to actually sit down and read through documents to make informed opinions

[open island]

^

[bitter fjord]

^^ this is why I rarely pop into general TBF

[lapis flower]

There are 2 kind of people on this discord ... people who love the game and have hope ... and toxic people that hope the game is dead and only post bullshit on this discord.

My question is how mental are people of the second kind?

I mean are you just unemployed neckbeards that have so little in life that they have to do this to feel some kind of "important"?

I mean what a sad existence is this? I understand everyone who loves the game and sticks around ... but holy fuck if you are just here to troll and be toxic you maybe should search for help.

[hexed ingot]

I'm here to troll but only the stupid ones

[bitter fjord]

The sayings "Misery loves company" and "Hurt people hurt people" come to mind. I appreciate trolls when their intention isn't harm.

[edgy sandal]

there are ALOT of the second kind. there are and were entire guilds worth of people who are the second kind. Polar, Black sails, Star Legion, Aura, Barcode, Nova ordem( or any nova derivative), Death and Taxes. the list goes on and on. there were a Large portion of active members of ashes that have wanted it to fail from the very start of its existence.

[mystic quiver]

any news from devs?

[edgy sandal]

at a point in time the dev team shifted focus from creating content and crafting what would e ashes in the future to constantly stamping out fires repeatedly set by bad actors in the game. dupes, greifing, exploiting, breaking the map, bots ect. if they didnt have to deal with that im sure they wouldnt of needed to upscale so much and maybe theyd of had a bit more developed, but thats neither here nor there now. now all those bad actors have moved on to the next project to destroy and the discord is left with a large number of trolls who didnt get their Bacne cream delivered in time

[round girder]

Wait.... ASHES IS GONE!?

[azure hull]

What

[round girder]

What happened?

[mighty tinsel]

[mystic quiver]

from what i read in stevens latest post, ashes is back and we dont have much of a wait left until they get back to development

[bitter fjord]

^ That's bait (since gifs are off KEKW)

[edgy sandal]

yeah you should probably take some PTO in anticipation of it

[mystic quiver]

no need, im unemployed

[edgy sandal]

problem solved

[elfin owl]

all the more reason for them to sticking to a few testers, the Steam release is what started the mess for the developers

[edgy sandal]

as far as an influx of trolls maybe, but the bad actors have been here for years. the EA didnt help either though youre right

[elfin owl]

don't matter now, let's just sit back and watch how everything is gonna play out in the courts

[edgy sandal]

yup. gonna have to brush up on my legalese now lol