#alpha-two-general

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simple oxide
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Teamspeak is old but still pretty good, people on reddit saying Stoat and Matrix are pretty good options. i havent checked out any yet myself beyond downloading TS a few months ago for a merge raid in Rust @jolly raptor

weak silo
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there is NO board

jolly raptor
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well stoat sucks ass, matrix has a user issue, that being the ppl that are on matrix are not the ppl you actually want to talk to.

simple oxide
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better than having my face and personal info leaked through Discord - some white hat hackers found the company Persona they were using for ID verification literally had the info being collected open and unsecured. apparently they were selling that data to the government - putting it into watch databases

silver flower
atomic kettle
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AAC is very fun. I know some people may not like the asthetics and all, however all the things u wanted to do in AOC u can do here, now.

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i just converted my thatched farmhouse in to a mining house

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when yur ship is destroyed in AAC u can u just repair it, u dont lose it like in AoC

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people pvp in aac becayse its fun and u dont lose your gear, and so pvp remains alive on that game, no need to fear it

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tho u can steal peoples tradepacks and such still

forest surge
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when half the footage is just Polar ganking people

Some things never change, man, this wasn't it for a video...

atomic kettle
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yeah Polar is an anti-faction guild, they are just there to have fun, by messing up everyone elses fun.

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they arent some elite pvp guild or anything like that they just like to cause drama and trouble and all that. Polar is on the west side

forest surge
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Considering their guild description is that they're an elite, highly accomplished guild, your explanation feels quite conflicting

sweet lynx
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is the game back yet?

near atlas
atomic kettle
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but each side has a troll/griefing guild so u arent safe, they tend to purple up at events, howeever if u do that kinda stuff on these big public event, then u wont get invited into the raid either

forest surge
atomic kettle
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i will say this, if your intention is to do any form of cheating in either AAC or AR, they dont even play, its a insta ban

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there are no bots or anything like that, they actively monitor that stuff. They are there to provide premium service and they make a living running those two servers and if u mess with that, you are gone, so play fair

sweet lynx
rustic lava
atomic kettle
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thats not to say they dont have skilled players, but that mostly a trolling/griefing guild, however they also do know how to play the game and get ahead quicker than most do.

forest surge
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Who is this Hawke dude, are you a Polar spokesperson

rustic lava
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Im like top 10 polar hater hehe

atomic kettle
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i think they are making emulator tools but not a private server per se i dont think

sweet lynx
atomic kettle
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no im a AA player snce the beta days. im not defending them, i already said they arent some talented pvp guild, just a troll guild

white pilot
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So is it an AA Polar run private server?

atomic kettle
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how is that being a spokeman? they are on my faction, but they would try and kill me and take my packs, so they arent my friend, they are nobodys friend

sweet lynx
atomic kettle
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no no forget anything about Polar and then running a private server...they are making some aoc emulator tools to get the process started, (they claim)

rustic lava
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Their whole schtick is child like mental gymnastics and rage bait just to actually be dicks.

sweet lynx
atomic kettle
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Polar just plays on AAC they dont run any servers, Polar was just interested in getting a process in place for AoC in the event no one continues development

forest surge
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The emulator that Polar promotes is being made/run by the guy who made Ashes Codex or Ashes forge or something like that, not a Polar member afaik. Just a dude who loves the game

atomic kettle
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u can avoid pvp for the most part in AAC, the farming mechanics and their version of the tradepack caravan system is what AoC aspired to have, you guys really need to try AAC, pls pls

sweet lynx
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playing Archeage again you can see that AOC had too many problems.

archeage 2 is going to be out soon anyway

atomic kettle
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i promise youll love AAC especially when u see how realistic the ship/sailing and water mechanics are, u can go treasure hunting and all of that underwater

forest surge
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I had one stint with AA and that was AAU and I played for a month. That was enough for me

atomic kettle
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well AAC is how AAU was supposed to be

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I cant recommend AAC enough, still one of the most innovative and unique games ever made.

wanton glacier
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sweet lynx
atomic kettle
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well u get catchup gear at lvl 50 which allows u to do all the pve content, and then u join a guild to learn how to work on your next gear

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it takes time to catch up a little sure, but u pvp in groups mainly, its not just solo 1 verses 1 all the time

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pvp is just a very small slice of everything u can do there

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the price is right ya know is why i suggest it as something to play while the higher ups sort all this out

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i just think its a good idea to check out the game that AoC was inspired by, while we are stuck in limbo

light whale
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Ninpô Code:37 no jutsu 🙏

floral hemlock
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gamers rise up

terse hawk
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AA Classic is good, its only problem is server population. It has a decent amount of people, but not enough for the true AA experience.

queen eagle
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Nevermind it requires SQLite and map files I ain't got time for that

atomic kettle
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no u need to goto there website

queen eagle
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No I want to run my own server

atomic kettle
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thats not likely to happen, thats the old client which is broken, and poeple spent years and years to fix that

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u dont have the database, itll just be an empty world, u have to hook up the auction house system and all that

queen eagle
terse hawk
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AA Emu is a different project. ArcheRage and AA Classic have actual server files and some dev tools. That is just an emulator.

atomic kettle
queen eagle
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Is it pay2win?

terse hawk
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ArcheRage is, AA Classic isn't

atomic kettle
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no its not, Archearage mirrors the originaly loot crate system thats "pay to win" the AAC is the version that plays like how the non pay to win version should have been

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i will say this Archerage is like playing on retail live with all the 10+ global updates, AAC is like "wow classic" with custom features. AR is 10.somethinh, and AAC is like 3.5+ with custom features

terse hawk
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The only purchase thats really needed is the starter box with bag slots and skill saver pendants. Its still not needed, but that is the one thing that will hold you back if you dont buy it

atomic kettle
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both servers offer one time catch up gear tho

terse hawk
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Outside of that, only 'p2w' items are little yata cars with one seat, one pack slot.

atomic kettle
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just play it for free, if u end up liking it, u can donate, these people run these servers like its their lifeline

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some of these guys that develop the content for AR and AAC was like ex game devs from other countries

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these guys dont just run the game in maintenance mode like say Gamigo etc...they actually work on stuff, is what im trying to say i guess

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we wouldnt even be having this conversation if we didnt get fucked over

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and well AR isnt completely P2W either because u can buy credits for in game gold so...its more about what kid of experience u want. Try AAC first, and AR later maybe, Archearage has two servers auction house connected, each has its pros and cons, none of which matters to a first time player tho

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Alot more roleplaying tools too in AA, you can watch people go to trial and get sentenced to jail time, very cool

livid sail
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This is a great group of devs. They've put a ton of work into their system. I've been in tests in the past and it's always a fun time.

atomic kettle
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can u link us the website?

rustic lava
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Game shilling r we squiddy

glossy niche
floral hemlock
grand flower
brazen osprey
floral hemlock
sweet lynx
dreamy tangle
sweet lynx
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old MMO , new jokes needed for 2020

undone marsh
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Is Steve even in this Discord anymore?

atomic kettle
undone marsh
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Is there anyone from Intrepid even on here anymore?

atomic kettle
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they can spend what it really takes to make an MMO and drop another 150 mil into and get qualified people to run and make the game, and itll be fine. this is just a temporary setback is all.

lost jewel
queen eagle
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Nah 150mil is not enough. They need at least 1billion

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Adjusted for inflation since it'll take another 10 years

atomic kettle
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i was thinking 300 million is roughly what it takes. SC is a technical challenge is why its costing that amount.

queen eagle
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Star Citizen has almost a thousand employees working on two games

kind prism
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I'd say like, $160m more would probably be my guess for it to be "done"

lost jewel
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The next question is what is the chance it will provide 300 mil cashflow over a lifetime

queen eagle
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Nah. If Intrepid wants to finish their board game. They'll need another 100mil

atomic kettle
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I think we are almost to the point now where an innovative mmorpg may take more than one generation of developers to make.

queen eagle
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And they'll have to release AoC on mobile like Aion 2

lost jewel
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What is innovative about ashes though?

queen eagle
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It has sports fishing

atomic kettle
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well nothing yet but eventually it would be a better version of what Archeage is and can do

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AoC is way short of what Archeage is though, they had a long way to go

lost jewel
queen eagle
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AoC has 64 classes

atomic kettle
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but the innovation would have been in the details for the most part

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u saw a little bit where the caravan cart could transform into a barge when u hit the water etc. That was the flagship tech feature. AoC also was only mixing two classes together to make a new class, but AA mixes in three classes

lost jewel
atomic kettle
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I cannot find out how much it cost to make Archeage, its not public it doesent appear

queen eagle
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Like 6-7

atomic kettle
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but you are right, there is nothing innovative about AoC right off the bat

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and whats so expensive is the learning from mistakes. I t hink the one programmer who did the gridding mechanics and stuff had to make over 100 passes on that system

queen eagle
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GrokGPT says ArcheAge cost around 50mil

atomic kettle
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eh...that seems super low, but the guy that made the game is also a game genius

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maybe thats the secret, the best games are made from the most talented people. just because u can slap together a bunch of qualified programmers doesent mean that will work

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AoC definately did not have a Jake Song working for them

queen eagle
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Asian devs aren't entitled to benefits and their salaries are lower

atomic kettle
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remember when Final Fantasy Online first came out, it was a hot mess, and they had to bring in that one guy to fix their shit

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for the most part i think koreans make the best games, except for their weird ass grinding mechanics

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on a technical level maybe

queen eagle
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Yea I remember you couldn't even jump in the original ff14

atomic kettle
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i think Star Citizen costs tracks... like Eve Online there is no actual avatar, its just the UI. But they are tring to put a character into an interactice ship with no load screens

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and i guess it has very rich people who want to support that dream, but we can play for like 40 bucks or whatever, im not, but its there

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i think the community voted that there wil never be an offical launch of the game, they will just keep working on it or something like that

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and then the only other game we have thats remotely kinda close to AoC will be Camelot Unchained if that ever comes out

cosmic trail
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Squadron 42 (the other game they’ve been working on at the same time) is supposed to release this year, but based on the other times they’ve mentioned dates, people are slightly skeptical of it XD

atomic kettle
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yeah i mean u may know better than I

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im tempted to try it, its not like u have to spend more than the minimum, and u can get most of all those nice ships yourself anyway

cosmic trail
atomic kettle
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yeah well wont be a factor, im sure there is 45 dollars worth of game there

silver flower
oblique ibex
silver flower
oblique ibex
frosty dirge
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anybody here ever been to CES before that would know a way to get in without either working in the industry or being a known youtuber

wraith geyser
meager lynx
simple oxide
meager lynx
sharp ledge
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Tractor Team 6?

simple oxide
meager lynx
simple oxide
# meager lynx It was. And it closed down.

not because of griefing or pvp lol, it closed down because Gamigo and Trion both sold gold on g2g and RMT was rampant for years with no new real content updates from the devs. AA has and always will be a little toxic lol its just the nature of the beast.

silver flower
meager lynx
silver flower
meager lynx
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there was a Tmugsy running around in AA leading a guild of degenerates. Assumed you were the same guy. If not, my bad

simple oxide
wraith geyser
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That's him lol

meager lynx
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Original AA launch in US . so long ago lol

simple oxide
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names do recycle, one picked Loki as a name and had half a server pissed at me 😂

meager lynx
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I wish I could remember the Guild's name. It was something goofy. But when our server started dying off they changed names and went to the more popular server.

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Same server nekrages goofy ass was on lol. lots of drama

sharp ledge
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so many servers with so many degenerate guilds. gotta be more specific

simple oxide
sharp ledge
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wasnt nekrage an alpha player? and never made it after launch? Oran Thul?

fluid urchin
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Yup, good eye that's what I did. English is not my mother tongue.

meager lynx
# simple oxide drama do be what makes the game fun

No they played the full release. They just dodged to a lesser known server because they were scared of going to the main server that the big guilds went to. So they could dominate a small one. Yes, oranthul

Had many battles with them. Only thing I could say for them us at least they would pvp. Mugsy just griefed and ran

sharp ledge
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i dont recall any oranthul after alpha

meager lynx
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Tahyang or Ollo. can't remember

sharp ledge
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oh those were defo 'nobody' servers LUL
re-rOllo 😄

meager lynx
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It was Tahyang. Google oranthul tahyang and you'll see a reddit post about them

sharp ledge
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nothing of any significance ever came out of Tayhang 😄

meager lynx
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Like I said, they went there to dodge the big pvp guilds so they could say they "dominated". Even though the rest of us were just a bunch of RPers LOL

marble ridgeBOT
slender thistle
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Anybody in prison yet

frosty dirge
kind prism
frosty dirge
terse hawk
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At this point I wish Ashes went with Korean devs over California. Probably would have had a game by now and it would have cost less money.
All the sandpark devs from games like Archeage have been stuck making shit. Bet those devs could have been poached.

kind prism
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as a matteer of fact I am now finding out that all the spell effects were UE5 assets pactched together

Surely he can provide a source for that :clueless:

No one ever tried to claim the caravans or crates or fishing or whatever were innovative. If you wanted to find innovation in the MMO genre you'd probably have to go back to 2001

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Ashes of Creation has taken inspiration from various other MMORPG titles.[1]

In terms of what came before, we're trying to figure out who did what best and take inspiration from that: Move the genre forward; keep things updated and bring it into the 21st century.[1] – Jeffrey Bard
Eve Online with its regionalized economy and risk vs reward in transportation.[1]
ArcheAge with its building systems, transportation and naval combat.[1]
Star Wars Galaxies with its crafting systems.[1]
Lineage II with its risk vs reward, castle sieges, flagging, open world PvP and guild progression.[2][3][4][1]

From years ago. They never claimed most things were their own or innovative

terse hawk
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You are acting like copying the trade pack system from AA was a bad thing. Doesn't have to be original to be good. The tradepack system from AA resulted in an insane amount of emergent gameplay and helped make the world feel lived in.

kind prism
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Being told by someone who joined in December what they said since day 1. El classico

topaz torrent
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So when Steven posted pictures of hot dogs, did the chef make those?

foggy wave
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yall are dorks

kind prism
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Which the (planned) world structure was unique. They however never said the fucking caravans or crates or whatever were

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So now you're admitting you lied but you just expected no one to call you out on the bullshit?

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That wasn't the point you argued. You said, and I quote:

Crate system and caravan system and total market system was direct copy of ArcheAge and Eve Onlines economy. Where is the innovation in copying another MMO's designs and calling it your own?

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as a matteer of fact I am now finding out that all the spell effects were UE5 assets pactched together

Both of which are untrue.

If you're gonna shittalk something then use facts, don't make up bs

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Again, not the point you put forth. You were mad that the crate and caravan system weren't innovative, which they never claimed they were.

The node system and the way the world reacted to said system was innovative, not the crate/caravan system

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You seem to think just because a product is innovative that every system/feature in said product needs to be

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If someone makes an innovative new product which uses iron in its materials, is it no longer innovative because it uses iron like millions of other products?

Dumbass

frosty dirge
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nuance is not your strong suit is it

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what if the things steven have stated in his lawsuit gets proven true ?

kind prism
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You like spouting bs don't you. Others hadn't invested 100 million in 2017, that didn't become a thing until the last couple of years

violet frost
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wahhhh... he lied... cry me a river... mcdonalds lies to you all the time... you think that hamburger looks like that when you buy one? yet your not being a crybaby about that... and I bet you lost more money at mcdonalds than on this stupid game... wait till we have proof, not what you "think"

frosty dirge
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you did not answer my question

kind prism
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There's a TON of things that were bs'd about, yet you for some reason make up shit instead? Never understand that

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Ironic that the guy crying about others lying is lying himself

violet frost
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funny how they do that

azure hull
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You're upset for other people ?
A true hero surely

blissful terrace
azure hull
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Guy deleted all his messages

kind prism
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I think he got snapped

leaden heath
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So those of us who backed the kickstarter, any news on what can be done from our end? Any lawsuit we should be joining soon or anything like that

fossil bridge
simple oxide
kind prism
simple oxide
fossil bridge
simple oxide
willow vale
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Same. I was hoping for the game. Trying quinfall and archage classic. We'll see how it goes.

coral kayak
raw flicker
coarse hull
inner geyser
grand flower
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Check out Project Gorgon. Made by Asheron's Call Devs. Even more old school feel than AoC. Theres a free demo.

foggy wave
noble marlin
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the** VAST** majority of people who were into Ashes of Creation are NOT going to enjoy Project Gorgon.
it's basically OG Everquest with even more roleplay.
it's not a bad game, but there is** zero** PVP, **no **classes and potato graphics.

sure there will be a super small minority of Ashes players who will find it fun, but the amount of times people suggest it in here makes me chuckle.

foggy wave
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idk about that. youre assuming everyone here is a diehard pvp enjoyer. i came to AoC for the pve content lol

grand flower
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Scoob dont, you are gonn astart a whole thing. While I agree with you, this is going to devolve into PVP vs PVE Scubs bla bla ... not worth the time or the argument.

foggy wave
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nah i wasnt going to engage beyond that. lol
there is no debate really. 2 different things people enjoy. would be like trying to compare someone who likes shooting games and someone who likes board games

grand flower
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LOL

noble marlin
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there isn't anything factually incorrect about my comment.
i even said it's not a bad game.
but PVE players in Ashes were a minority, and people who can tolerate the graphics in Gorgon are also a minority in this day and age.

foggy wave
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theres a massive resurgence of low poly, pixel, 2d, whatever this last year or more.

noble marlin
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they are VERY different games

foggy wave
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definitely are.

tepid orbit
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Sharif go to jail pls

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And get ruined jajajaja fuck u

soft maple
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can i still play the game or are servers down

minor yacht
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i wonder what the mango man is up to

mental rover
young remnant
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I logged in a played a bit yesterday

floral hemlock
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greetings GLORIOUS adventurers!!

oblique ibex
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How is Scars of Honor? Has anyone tried it? I've been looking for new MMORPGs lately, and this one looks pretty good!

floral hemlock
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as good as quinfall?!

oblique ibex
sacred panther
ashen flame
mental rover
topaz gull
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Gorgon is fun, that's why. Doesn't have to be the best game, it just needs to be A game, unlike ashes of creation who is a dirty, dirty tramp.

floral hemlock
ashen flame
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Well I hope they know their game is hot garbage

topaz gull
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Dude you're displaying an ashes of creation tag on your user profile

mental rover
sacred panther
mental rover
hot oxide
potent scarab
lethal flume
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think its a typo, from "Hahaha", but im not 100% 🙂

blissful hedge
potent scarab
solid dust
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AoC reborn soon !

potent scarab
winged matrix
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Aa is de way multiple private servers available, same shit as ashes just more optimized

fallen burrow
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I wonder how long they paid in advance to have the servers stay hosted

solid dust
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i wish i can play AoC but servers are dead af

floral hemlock
formal sonnet
queen eagle
worn steeple
floral hemlock
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play Rise of Agon

echo dawn
raw flicker
slim crystal
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Anyone want to group up for Carphin? level 25 wanting to do some floor 3

floral hemlock
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anyone wanna wear a dress?

viscid slate
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i wanna be an onion

lavish hazel
inner geyser
shy warren
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People suggested that they actually had lore developed for the game, lore they hadn't released yet. @vague leaf release the lore-files.

solid meteor
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i know all ofthis sucks.. but the servers being alive after all of this is kind of a big deal that alot of people are overlooking

shy warren
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Yeah you can thank the guy who sunk tens of millions of dollars into the game for keeping them up

static spire
steep grove
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any news since few days ago ? Has Steven spoken at all?>

mighty tinsel
shy warren
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Someone suggested in the midst of the chaos unfolding they had a lot more they kept behind closed doors that they teased in some of the focused tests

mighty tinsel
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Its not hard to forget they had a number of high profile industry veterans since the early days that were story builders. Some gone earlier then others.

short rock
shy warren
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Read through the Wiki a lot, and one of the things I was always looking forward to most is seeing the story be built. Probably never seeing any of it so I should just let it go lol

steep grove
mighty tinsel
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yeah. I've got most of the wiki archived now, so I can go back and look at everything

winter mountain
# shy warren Read through the Wiki a lot, and one of the things I was always looking forward ...

I wanted more out of the religion system. The goal was to be a religious inquisitor zealot. But I wanted the various religions to be more fleshed out so I could start to put together a lore-friendly system of investigating other players' religious beliefs.
If they were non-believers I wanted to kill them on the spot, and if they believed in any other god than Norlan, I would admonish them and send them on their way.

potent scarab
fossil scarab
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Guys are the Dwarves okay though?

winter mountain
fossil scarab
winter mountain
fervent karma
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i saw some chat about gorgon, there is a pvp test dungeon, but that wouldnt be fun for most of you because everyone down there consents

tepid orbit
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3 months ago I said it: I said that guy took advantage of the ideology of the perfect mmo and having a generation Z community and stupid millennials who supported him, he put me in the discord and in the game for 15 days of banning for saying that.

Now he's going to go to jail and they're going to take away the 140 million that he stole from investors and people and his fucking mansion up for auction xdddd fuck him

floral hemlock
shy warren
harsh gulch
floral hemlock
tepid orbit
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Nobody has made a better game than WOW or L2 and neither will they because today's generations are satisfied with anything, plus today not even video game creators, especially their CEOs and shareholders, DO NOT play their own games, they use the dopamine that the games create. games and hype at the beginning to sell and not to do great jobs, in addition to the fact that the business model has changed, people today are less demanding than 10 years ago

floral hemlock
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just make your own game

blissful void
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nah, just play Scars of Honor when it releases.

tepid orbit
tepid orbit
harsh gulch
floral hemlock
willow vale
tepid orbit
willow vale
outer ore
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Any big patch soon? I can play this weekend-and wanna have some fun in ashes.

harsh gulch
tepid orbit
# floral hemlock making your own game is a good argument

It's not even a a good argument, tard. Following your logic, you can't complain about a turbulent flight because you're not a pilot, or say that a movie is bad because you're not a director. The content is created for the user, and as a user, my experience is what validates whether the design works or not, fucking abnormal

leaden depot
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are servers still up? like is the game still playable

tepid orbit
hexed ingot
willow vale
topaz lagoon
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servers still up for real?

floral hemlock
azure hull
tepid orbit
tepid orbit
floral hemlock
autumn eagle
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This dude still sucking dick for a dollar?

hexed ingot
autumn eagle
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People still supporting Steven? Fucken idiots everywhere.

tepid orbit
hexed ingot
queen eagle
autumn eagle
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Scammers be scamming. Steven is a liar. Chronic one at that.

tepid orbit
hexed ingot
tepid orbit
torpid burrow
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Anyone trying to run some caravans?

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I hate how everyone is saying the game is dead. Clearly they are just doing EXTENSIVE stress tests on the servers to see how long they can go before restart is needed

frosty dirge
dusty leaf
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hey i been away from Ashes for a while now, i updated the launcher to get hit with "The intrepeid auncher is no longer support, we are on steam" but i know steam removed ashes from being able to be sold on steam, are they going back to their own launcher or do i need to redeem it on steam now?

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im basically just trying to uninstall the game at this point that is really what im after space on my C drive lol

jolly raptor
dusty leaf
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well intrepid launcher deleted itself and normally i use the launchers to uninstall games to have a clean wipe off my system but just deleting the files always makes the computer think its there

sacred panther
frosty dirge
empty pumice
pastel solstice
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tfw the 6hr timer channels are somehow more interesting

floral hemlock
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why r u here then

glossy niche
fast prairie
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Bring out your dead.

Bring out your dead.

Bring out your dead.

stuck hazel
wraith geyser
pastel solstice
empty pumice
floral hemlock
bright mortar
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When next stream lol

gritty surge
wraith geyser
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23, living at home, Texas or New Jersey, if you work its retail or maybe construction but actually based on your usage habits I’d say unemployed. White for sure

tawdry cairn
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Have they sold this Chinese developer yet ?

serene steeple
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WHEN SERVER RESTART

blazing aurora
serene steeple
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WHEN THEY HIRE

jolly raptor
floral hemlock
agile lion
grave stone
azure hull
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Arm chair nostradamus

floral hemlock
#

kanon shilling quinfall CheekySteven

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Iverian Wars: Craxion vs Defugel new mmo about to launch on steam in a few minutes

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we are joining craxion

bold steeple
#

This lawsuit could be faster zzzzz

mighty void
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dreadmyst shutting down too now

fleet knot
#

game is dead regardless of any scenario, ashes have no money and no employees

Essentially a full reset to the development has happened

Old development team would 100% not be returning

It would be a nightmare and cost a lot of time/money to have a new development team to have to figure out the coding left behind by the previous team

Maybe the games IP can be sold but why would anyone buy a unfinished mess, it would be better to take the concept and make a game from scratch

The name "Ashes of Creation" is not that special and is now a stain legacy so why would anyone buy the name

candid pewter
#

Yea, picking up where previous devs left off without support from people who know how it all works is never going to be worth the expense.

mighty void
#

u might be able to still get dreadmyst on steam but its gonna get pulled from steam soon

floral hemlock
#

iverian wars up gogogogogoog

fleet knot
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Even if say Steven somehow won his lawsuit, and got a large sum of money, the development team he had won't be coming back because of the stain and sentiment

Steven most likely if he magically won his defense, he would most likely not continue the game,

I think he sold the company purposely out of greed and being in over his head for the scale the game was, but couldn't get everything he wanted, couldn't get his cake and eat it too

fleet knot
floral hemlock
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ok deinstalled iverian wars again, its dogshit

candid pewter
queen eagle
floral hemlock
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dreadmyst also had no content

queen eagle
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Also one of the player avatars were from The Witcher, Lords of the Fallen, and the card game Magic: The Gathering and Aion

hardy valley
# fleet knot Even if say Steven somehow won his lawsuit, and got a large sum of money, the de...

The best case scenario for the game is that an emulator is completed and someone actually does create a private server. Setting Steven aside, the game itself deserves to continue, even if in a smaller capacity. But that won't be corporate, and if someone did buy it at this point, I would be genuinely shocked alongside most everyone else. The MMO genre is so beaten to death at this point it needs something to keep it afloat.

wraith geyser
simple oxide
# fleet knot ***game is dead regardless of any scenario, ashes have no money and no employees...

Code bases are normally well documented, it also is completely possible to hire back a few key people to teach a new team what they need to know. And while Intrepid Studios is broke, TFE Games isnt and it could also just as easily be sold to a new studio.

Game is also pretty far along, the majority of the key systems were in place and the most difficult bits had been completed. All that was really needed to get a minimally viable product was to adjust corruption, add a basic story quest to lvl 50, and adjust the economic values.

There was also an update ready to go for 2nd classes, adding back in freeholds, and more lol.

Overall the game could be launched within a year if whoever gets the rights wants to. Just rebrand it, and spend a little on marketing. Easy.

solemn moss
#

Wts broodling 7m

lost jewel
simple oxide
queen eagle
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Ashes of Creation is a lost media. It will never return. Just upload the client files to Archive.org so it won't be forgotten

wary plinth
#

So are we getting refunds for the 100$ promise for those that bought the packs way back? Just curious.

idle notch
simple oxide
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I would just point to the two massive legal battles over the IP and say that in the majority of cases that someone or a company planning on writing off the IP wouldnt in addition spend millions trying to win the rights to it lol

wary plinth
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What is this iverian wars. Free to play mmos always have some pay to win shit.

candid pewter
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I don't think the fact that they are suing steven proves they are confident the game can still be finished.

simple oxide
supple mantle
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Can’t wait for Steven to revive this shit in 2027 and drop the best game AOT in 2028

candid pewter
floral hemlock
wraith geyser
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If it’s any worse then I feel really bad. If I undershot then it’s embarrassing for you. Either way it really sucks

kind prism
#

Guessing someone in an MMO discord is only 23 years old seems like a wrong guess 99% of the time

quick socket
supple mantle
grave stone
quick socket
#

i will not completely discredit that possibility, but enough information about steven has already been leaked, so unless he has some holy grail hidden somewhere, he's fucked.

floral hemlock
simple oxide
# quick socket i will not completely discredit that possibility, but enough information about s...

I will say that the lawfirm he hired are serious heavy hitters on an international scale in corporate litigation and law - if anyone could do it, based on their track record - it would be them. They also make some very specific allegations of fraud and wrong doing that they claim to have evidence of so I'm very curious to see what the court orders end up being in 1-2 years when this goes through eventually. Also completely possible the two groups settle out of court, this shit is going to get so expensive so fast lol

floral hemlock
grave stone
hoary cove
#

any good news?

quick socket
#

ww3 hasnt started yet

simple oxide
grave stone
quick socket
simple oxide
simple oxide
quick socket
#

tbh, i dont even think it really matters if its humans or our creations that stand that test of time. not like anyone is going to see it. space is too big. we aint going anywhere. eventually earth wont sustain life. and then what? and what does it even matter, to be quite frank? all we got is what we have right now. i would just hope it was something out of our control and not something we did to ourselves.

scarlet stag
#

All those memes lost, like tears in the rain.

grave stone
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if you look at how human kind has developed exponentially in recent centuries

wraith geyser
simple oxide
grave stone
jolly raptor
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"digital immortality" yeah somebody is just gonna delete you or dl your file to mod you into the sims

quick socket
#

Immortality is a pipedream, and even if it's possible, I doubt it's within our lifetimes. Maybe I'm wrong, not like I got anything to prove it, but that's a fantasy humans have been chasing forever, and certainly requires some insane technomagic.

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But they do say AI will just get smarter overtime, maybe it can solve all of our problems, if it doesn't kill us.

jolly raptor
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"ai" can't get smarter, it fundamentally doesn't work like that. you need a completely different system to have intelligence

queen eagle
#

Western Digital is SOLD OUT for 2026 🫃

grave stone
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It all comes down to what we dream of, what we write stories about and then how can we make it happen. No one ever thought we could ever fly, or better, reach the moon

floral hemlock
quick socket
grave stone
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Mobiles phones - wtf that will never happen and now we all have desktop pcs in our pockets

floral hemlock
queen eagle
#

Micron stopped making RAM. Western Digital stopped making hard drives. What's next? Nvidia stops making GPUs? 🫃

wraith geyser
mighty void
queen eagle
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Microsoft stopped making Windows 12

jolly raptor
#

pls its called microslop now

mighty void
#

microsoft has the best ai at least

queen eagle
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lol nobody uses copilot

floral hemlock
mighty void
queen eagle
#

nah claude better

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followed by cursor

mighty void
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im not sure if microsoft owns part of anthropic, but they own 20% of openai so thats why they have access to the models

grave stone
steel wing
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why are people still here? is there any word on where the lying pos is?

mighty void
grave stone
wraith geyser
mighty void
grave stone
queen eagle
mighty void
grave stone
mighty void
floral hemlock
marble quartz
#

any hope?

floral hemlock
marble quartz
floral hemlock
#

ill watch some streamers on release and maybe give it a try

torpid burrow
#

What’s releasing?

fickle cave
#

People still type words here?

queen eagle
#

I like WoW midnight. At least it has player housing unlike Ashes of Creation

floral hemlock
wraith geyser
fickle cave
torpid burrow
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This ain’t coming back, it was never even here to begin with

floral hemlock
kind prism
#

Apparently Corepunks studio just got basically shut down too

lone dust
#

Was thinking about getting this game how does everyone like it so far?

kind prism
#

You wouldn't be able to post in this channel without having the game

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So about that

keen violet
#

If anyone wants to check out quinfall

torpid burrow
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If the game isn’t a kickstarter scam, then I ain’t playing it

queen eagle
#

I'll play quinfail if they have a free private server 🫃

wraith geyser
floral hemlock
frosty dirge
tardy plank
floral hemlock
tardy plank
#

Seems to be a very detailed account of the millions basically scammed from the primary funding individual for Intrepid/AoC

floral hemlock
#

huge if true

wraith geyser
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Asian boy wearing fake gucci tells you that you got scammed because someone sent him 300 pages of alleged text messages

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If the shirt didn’t disqualify nefas from speaking on the topic then you need to get your life in check

frosty dirge
#

i rly hope the lawsuit gets streamed bye somebody going to the trial XD

#

would be the best thing since the amber vs johnny depp trial

simple oxide
#

Its all going to be sealed, I dont think there will even be a jury since it deals with so much corporate nuance lol

stoic wedge
#

Regardless of what Steven alleges, he lied. The game was never fully funded and hasn't been "independent" in years. I highly doubt he even put much of his own money in.

void adder
#

@simple oxide whats the update sir, i haven't been afloat the past few days

simple oxide
# stoic wedge Regardless of what Steven alleges, he lied. The game was never fully funded and ...

Youre not wrong that he lied about how it was funded. I do think he probably had some skin in the game but no idea how much. Just looking at the raw numbers it seems like we are missing around 80 to 100m.

Still his ideas were amazing and I hope those get picked up by someone in the future.

@void adder no updates unfortunately. Only real one has been the class action now going after TFE Games as well.

lost jewel
void adder
#

can't he just like.. take over their company lol. Everything they have is copyrighted material

simple oxide
#

The employees going after TFE for the Warn Act violations

tardy plank
#

I honestly don't think Steven was all that hands on with much of anything. He never seemed to have any idea of what was going on in any of the live streams, didn't know what buttons did what, didn't understand the mechanics and everything had to be explained to him in real time. I would give all credit to the dev team and if there is any company that takes over to continue building the game, I hope they bring back the same people because they were creating an awesome game

wraith geyser
simple oxide
tardy plank
lost jewel
short rock
#

so now that this game is effectively dead, who wants to spill the beans on some cool exploits that were known?

mighty tinsel
simple oxide
mighty tinsel
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He talked about it a couple times with us about a couple surgeries he was having last year

short rock
simple oxide
mighty tinsel
#

this sounds absolutely terrible, and the employees are victims in this as well, but they do have skin in the game with the lawsuits over pay, PTO, promised bonuses, etc., so it is still best to take any anonymous employee writing with a grain of salt as well

#

There are things they absolutely did know, even if they claim not to

jolly raptor
mighty tinsel
#

There’s some that are definitely true though, just from experience and what I’ve seen/been told.

wraith geyser
mighty tinsel
wraith geyser
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I do not care

fervent scroll
#

Guys I’m taking a shit

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CoffeeZilla gonna get you good Steven

sudden flower
#

🤡

golden vale
#

Hey guys! Just got back to the states, how's the game? I'm ao excited to jump back in and try out all the new stuff

wraith geyser
#

You’re a chomo

oblique ibex
fleet knot
topaz torrent
#

This never would have happened if Jon Snow would have just slept with Danaerys one last time so she didnt burn down a city with a million people in it. The fucking nerve of some people

dry vine
#

Did Steven ever wanted to make a game?

simple oxide
sage fjord
#

no reboots yet?

cerulean sequoia
#

game is unplayable lol it needs a rest

#

then ppl might be able to get back on some ppl are locked out of the game with err codes lol

solemn moss
#

wts broodling 7m

topaz lagoon
hexed heart
willow vale
fluid urchin
#

I can't believe the game still has players. Also who is "them"? Isnt the company empty?

junior swallow
quick yew
polar wasp
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I miss those town guard cow shows

#

Y'know, where they stand there murdering a rapidly-repawning cow by the side of a building? Classic Verran entertainment.

agile lion
# grave stone How do you know this? Did you time travel?

Its literally impossible to hop in without any knowledge about game tools etc and start working instantly, if intrepid wants to hire people, they will need at least couple months to accomodate themselves with all the tools , not to mention the company is already in big trouble and there are lawsuits going on and debt collection on top of that. The company has lost interest in both potential customers and investors to such an extent that you don't need to be a fortune teller to know how it will end 🙂 Some paths are irreversible

rotund dirge
agile lion
fluid urchin
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Ashes would need to pull the Realm Reborn of all Realm Reborns to come back from this

#

The game being a rising phoenix out its ashes would be one hell of a twist of fate though.

amber harbor
simple oxide
# amber harbor was a fucking scam. is dead and is ok, accept it.

You've only been here since the EA launched but the game wasn't a scam. Steven did lie to us on how he funded the game but the devs did work very hard to make something awesome we could all enjoy. Saying it was a "scam" is just spitting in the face of their hard work - ultimately we got to play, the game only died because of bad choices made by Steven and the people he chose to partner with. We could also very well get it back after all these legal battles conclude - we will just need to wait and see. In the meantime people are working on an emulator for it.

uncut rampart
#

🤨

marsh quarry
arctic helm
simple oxide
arctic helm
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Yeah you're a fucking moron.

simple oxide
arctic helm
#

Clearly because everyone went though steam with their purchases. Kickstarter backers, Package buyers the only product they sought to purchase was what they were given, not an eventual full release.

simple oxide
#

Also, I bought in at the Kickstarter - it was very clear we were only buying a pack to help support a company with added benefit of some bonuses once it launched. I'm confused on what you're upset about here.

arctic helm
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Yes, support the company to help them see the launch of their product.

#

Instead you got 8 years worth of delays, monetary malfeasance and potential criminal activity.

#

Not a scam BTW.

#

Now you have people that worked on the project living out of their cars because they too wanted to help get that project out to the public.

#

Not a scam BTW. Surely they feel that way.

forest surge
#

I'd call it a scamlite because we all essentially got grifted. I think there was some measure of intent to give us what was promised, but the way it was gone about-- with the lies to us and lies to investors and the rampant misuse of money-- inevitably paves the way for malfeasance in regards to AoC.

eternal hemlock
forest surge
#

Considering Steven and his husband got paid monthly supposedly, how and why are some devs living out of their cars? They only missed the last paycheck, or is there more then that?

queen eagle
#

Devs living in their car? Maybe they should stop buying funko pops

eternal hemlock
simple oxide
#

We can both agree that the game wasn't managed well, the money burned through and the investors brought in a huge mistake. The "Monetary malfeasance and potential criminal activity" is what Robert Dawson alleges against Steven who in turn alleges fraud and wrongdoing on the part of Robert Dawson and TFE games.

The game was real though, the devs worked hard to try and bring us a product and I had fun playing in AoC while we had it over the years. I don't think Steven set out to scam us and until the accusations are proven I don't see any evidence that he stole funds or misused them. Just the allegations made by investors who themselves are upset they didn't get a ROI.

My only argument here is that the game itself was real, the work the devs put in was real, and Steven set out to make a game but honestly didn't have the experience or judgment to make it happen and ultimately caused it to fail. I think we need to brush up on our words though - scam is very specific and has meaning behind it - maybe catastrophic mismanagement would be a better choice. @arctic helm

forest surge
#

If you're living that on the edge and your apparently only source of income is the negligible funds from working on the alpha access of an mmo that's been 8 years in development, you fucked up

eternal hemlock
#

it’s called drama….

#

No game developer will be that poor they suddenly go from employee to living out of their car. It’s all part of the show

#

This is also what happens when people listen to hearsay and believe every word that’s said

forest surge
#

Yes you said that. I think lying about living out of your car to stir the pot is pretty cringe though

obtuse hull
#

Copers keep coping

arctic helm
#

Considering the amount of people that live paycheck to paycheck in the US and then add in 2 weeks unpaid work and sudden dismissal. Its not unsurprising that people would be unable to pay their bills.

eternal hemlock
#

I understand that but developers are generally smart people and I know quite a few and let’s just say none of them are struggling

Out of 200+ there a be a smalll handful who were less careful with their finances but on a whole no one will be living out of a car at this stage

arctic helm
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Yes, smart enough to work in one of the most expensive areas to live in and industry that is on the verge of collapse taking a wage that isn't competitive at all. Very smart.

eternal hemlock
#

To work in that industry in that area salary is relative to that, otherwise people wouldn’t do it. You wouldn’t work if you didn’t think the salary offered was beneficial/ worth it. So that argument is void

arctic helm
#

Considering how many people in game dev are willing to sacrifice pay for passion.... right.

eternal hemlock
#

That’s just bullshit though lol

arctic helm
#

Really? Blizzard underpaid for years for that reason.

forest surge
#

Real passion tends to generate actual results. Everything Intrepid has released the past 2-3 years has been buggy as hell or broken. This hasn't been a passion project for awhile

eternal hemlock
#

Keep trying to angle it how you want but it’s just not reality. People fundamentally do not work for less than they think is fair. They can call it underpaid but when they accepted the role the salary offered was acceptable for them to consider the position. Passion or not

forest surge
#

We've seen the modern results of passionate game dev, its called Expedition 33 lol

eternal hemlock
simple oxide
arctic helm
#

I guess Steven should have watched some of those YouTube tutorials.

forest surge
# simple oxide I think Steven was super passionate about AoC but passion only takes you so far ...

Key word, "was." I think he still believes in the possibility, but I think that passion also simmered out, starting with apoc and a slow cycle after that. Also industry experience means nothing as well these days, because execs are responsible for a string of horrendous decisions. Look at the dude who took over AGS when NW was being made/worked on, forget his name. Longtime veteran in the industry and every gamer hated him because he's a mark of doom lol.

#

John Smedley maybe?

simple oxide
forest surge
#

I can't think of any other KS mmos besides CoE and that went to shit real quick as well. You could consider Pax Dei a KS esque mmo(it wasn't on Kickstarter) headed by a crazy amount of industry vets and I heard that ship sunk real hard

simple oxide
solemn moss
#

Wts broodling 7m

wary iron
oblique cypress
#

Guys chezck Embers drift, it hasnt any pvp but it s a good game

fleet knot
#

I think Steven got in over his head and wanted to pull out and leave someone else the bag, but also wanted to leave a legacy but after selling he realized his legacy was not happening his way

normal oracle
oblique cypress
normal oracle
normal oracle
# oblique cypress https://store.steampowered.com/app/3336530/Embers_Adrift/

Not sure if you are into Survival COOP Type Games... I Played through the Windrose (Age of Sail, Pirate Survival) Demo Last week... So Far it is Only Five Questchains and Two of those end with "To be Continued".. Looks fun though, at least.. I enjoyed it. (Definately on my "To be Purchased" list.. IF my wife clears it...

oblique cypress
normal oracle
glossy niche
oblique cypress
#

but maybe world of sea battle is better

grim talon
river estuary
#

what happening with this game ?
people started saying its a scam

#

windrose gonna be a huge pirate game tho

viral citrus
#

Anything new like if the game gonna be revived or still steven stole my money and ran away?

river estuary
viral citrus
river estuary
viral citrus
river estuary
#

i had very big hope for this game..

fickle plume
#

When Release?

river estuary
viral citrus
fickle plume
#

Nice

#

No Slowmode anymore? Nice, the devs are still listening to the community 😂

viral citrus
fickle plume
#

He better prepares his butt for the coming lawsuits

river estuary
#

he need to refund everyone who bought alpha key or the game itself

vital palm
#

.l

hasty abyss
#

I dunno. Say what you want and you have but guild is growing quite large lately in quinfall. Everyone is welcome. And with that I'm heading to new Orleans to go to cozumel for a week so I won't be there.

lucid flame
#

Any new news on the situation of Ashes?

vale musk
#

I don't think so

distant quest
#

I can only make a limited statement in my own personal capacity, but that being said. Ashes of Scamation made me MOUNTAINS OF CASH. - Stevie boy

remote grove
#

games dead everyone just move on. get quinfall or something

serene lotus
#

quinfall is a shitty version of BDO

empty pumice
tired flower
hasty abyss
pastel solstice
steep grove
mighty tinsel
#

looks over at Star Citizen

azure hull
#

Can't be SC
SC is nowhere near 150 mil

#

Only close to 1 bil $

#

Elite had their new arx ship yesterday, kestrel and it's so good

pastel solstice
#

shitty ass card game

cosmic sky
empty pumice
north basalt
#

did the servers shut down already?

mighty tinsel
#

Don’t believe so. They are basically unplayable at this point from what I understand though

maiden timber
silk wyvern
thin fiber
inner geyser
#

The server workers with the main cities all seem down, so you can’t access critical things. Players that logged out on those SWs are getting error 37 and unable to log into that character. It’s effectively offline

maiden timber
mighty tinsel
cosmic trail
queen eagle
#

-45

#

you just gonna throw away money like that? at least give it to me

mighty tinsel
#

SC right now is VERY dependent on what you make it and who you play with. If you have a good group of dudes you can play with, it’s infinitely more fun.

#

There is no set things to do. You choose what to do and where/when. starter ships are often near garbage, so do a couple missions to rent an actually good ship for what you want to do. Taurus is a good all rounder, but if you find mining, salvaging, combat, etc more fun you can pick better ships for each thing and rent them relatively cheaply for a day to make more money

#

You probably need to load all of the shaders first. There’s also a couple bugs with Vulcan and certain GPUs, so may have to change that if performance isn’t great

#

Ezpz then. Buy an alright gun and lots of meds, use your starter ship as transport.

cosmic sky
mighty tinsel
#

Cash shop makes it easier to start off with base ships, but unless you’re blowing 1000s at it you still need to buy some in game too, and you always can upgrade them with better components

#

There is technically player trading too, though it’s jank like POE right now

cosmic sky
mighty tinsel
#

I think they just posted a video or leaked a video about all the new stuff though, so you can find what’s expected on YouTube and shit

cosmic sky
mighty tinsel
shy warren
obtuse hull
#

Servers still up? Lmao

empty pumice
limber pine
#

Anybody have legendary rubies I can buy? I'm trying to make a new mage weapon.

young nexus
#

If I get the change to play a game like ashes again for £70 and get 500 hours of a similar experience to ashes before a rug gets pulled again, I’ll take it.

I loved every minute and it was good value.

I spent more on Wow for less hours and I didn’t enjoy it anywhere as much as I did with ashes.

slender thistle
#

Yes people will. The very next interesting game that starts the same way will see the same people dump money into it

grave stone
#

I would hardly call a 100 million + game with 300-400k estimated players a scam

fossil sluice
#

The servers ever shutdown? Or is it still just floating aimlessly with glitches and lag and stuff?

analog elm
#

Hello everyone I like this game

frosty dirge
#

bruh he at most scammed you of 300 bucks anybody that wishes death on somebody over that little aint mentally stable. be normal and wish him broke or in jail not dead. get help

safe valve
cosmic trail
#

Those can be fun once you find a weapon you enjoy :3

#

There’s a couple of medical ships that have beds you can respawn at if you are full focused on fps content

#

Cutlass red is great for it cause you can also fit a groundcar into it, or use that space for cargo

mighty tinsel
#

Years

azure hull
#

Had cutlass red for so long as a loaner for apollo , once apollo was out it was meh that I got rid off it

mighty tinsel
#

This is not a simple case. Both sides are claiming something entirely different, and there’s a lot of other illegal shit they’re both claiming the other side did that if proven will likely have CA and potentially the feds wanting their piece of meat at the end

frosty dirge
#

if its fast then it should be done bye august if slow then years XD

old sentinel
#

Does anyone have one of the clips of Steven saying ashes was self funded and had no investors, im trying to do something funny

kind prism
#

Because the board wanted to force a release by September 2026 and charge $20 a month. They're fucking stupid and have no idea about games

frosty dirge
#

eh i have seen worse from other none scam companies is it shitty sure is it illegal not rly

kind prism
#

That's not about running the company, it's about doing 2 things that are so stupid I wouldn't have ever believed they were real

The game needs years of development still and $20 is suicide for any game because regardless of how good it is, WoW has already set an upper limit of $15 a month

#

Oh so you're baiting, i see

frosty dirge
kind prism
#

Oh it's Gigabear

Oh he's gone

frosty dirge
#

was that a gigabear alt lol

kind prism
#

Maybe xdd Only reason I said it was was because he also got an account banned in here today and that account that just got poofed was made today

grave stone
#

Realistically Steven should have come clean about the board and accepted the crazy financials of developing and maintaining a successful MMO. I would happily be up for paying the same sub as a WOW sub. After playing WOW for many years on and off I feel like Ashes is a breath of fresh air and far superior to WOW in too many ways to explain.

frosty dirge
#

not saying he is telling the truth we will figure that out after the trial

mighty tinsel
grave stone
#

Right now in the situation we are all in we all lose - The devs, the playerbase, the investors and even Steven. The only winners are the lawyers

pastel solstice
mighty tinsel
eager berry
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Nope one or the other only

mighty tinsel
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Everyone involved in the investor side are sketchy and greedy, and absolutely would have funded his lifestyle if it meant them making big returns.

frosty dirge
copper notch
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Anyone that spent any actual time playing Ashes at all knows the game itself was not a scam. It had a real development team, working on a real vision, that created real loops, and people had real fun with it.

Unfortunately the financials in the background were not above board, and allowed for some type of thievery from either Steven himself or other members.

You can say we ended up getting robbed in the end, but "the game" wasn't a scam

mighty tinsel
#

My personal opinion is he fully intended to mooch as much money as possible from them, while also intending to release the game, and that it all got away from him along with them wanting more returns and sooner.

frosty dirge
#

? you would threaten him to take even more money from you 🤣

mighty tinsel
#

And then the house of cards collapsed in spectacular fashion

kind prism
#

Thanos snapped xd

mighty tinsel
#

Guess he’s gone now. Either Steven snapped or a mod got him kappa

frosty dirge
#

did he get banned lol

mighty tinsel
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Oh yeah he’s gone gone. All his messages deleted Banhammer

pastel solstice
rare garden
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Good riddance. Idk who he was but I support this decision.

frosty dirge
#

lol wish it said who yeeted him XD

mighty tinsel
#

Oh look, here’s another one typing

frosty dirge
mighty tinsel
#

He should remove that. Prolly against his TRO kappa

frosty dirge
#

@vague leaf if you are truely innocent then stream the trial it would be the best content since amber heard vs johnny depp

pastel solstice
#

forgiveness, gratitude, love, slow to anger

never forget.

grand flower
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When you steal the last bit of money meant to pay your developers, and you give your husband a salary even though hes doing nothing for the company. That screams bad faith. I dont know how anyone can not see that. The actual game itself yes, was a game, but it wasnt a game worthy of 10 years of development. Steven changed production times on the fly, requested game breaking things, just to keep the cash flowing its his and Johns pockets. So no, the "game" wsnt a scam as there was an actual game. But Its 100% clear that Steven was just after money and not actually making a "one of a kind MMO", anyone that denies that is just kissing Stevens ass.

grave stone
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Steven if you are reading this please can you magically restart the servers and pause the node degradation ^^

grand flower
mighty tinsel
#

I mean. He probably does still have access. It’d just be against the active TRO to access them(and against his lawyers advice, which he seems to be listening to since he isn’t talking anywhere)

pastel solstice
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got his own private server like he always wanted siiiiiip

grand flower
mighty tinsel
frosty dirge
mighty tinsel
frosty dirge
kind prism
pastel solstice
grand flower
mighty tinsel
frosty dirge
kind prism
grand flower
frosty dirge
grand flower
#

So go do some more "detective work"

pastel solstice
#

maybe Steven can turn this around and take down the MLM gurus he once affiliated with.

know thy self

mighty tinsel
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Ah yes. The multiple linked socials of yours definitely have someone else’s face and gaming linked to them kappa I’m absolutely sure the website you link and promote also doesn’t have any of your info linked to its domain

frosty dirge
frosty dirge
mighty tinsel
#

💀

pastel solstice
frosty dirge
#

or banned but who knows

mighty tinsel
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Nah he left. Banning would remove all his messages

#

Guess I’m cyberstalking him by looking up the domain too

#

Time for me to be Banhammer

left raft
#

mm servers down now ?

frosty dirge
#

not last i checked

left raft
#

Failed to connect to server. Code:37 sadge :/

mighty tinsel
#

They’re up but effectively dead. Half the SWs are down, and the rest barely chugging

grave stone
mighty tinsel
frosty dirge
grave stone
#

Good riddance

mighty tinsel
raw jolt
#

Dang ppl still playing on the servers? Time to move on fellas play something

mighty tinsel
grave stone
#

The last dying Ashes waiting to be caught by the Error Code 37 blackhole

mighty tinsel
#

Funny enough if they actually had automated restarts going, it’d probably be perfectly fine up to this point. Took a long time for full failure

amber heron
#

I'm waiting for emergency patch by Steven next week.

frosty dirge
#

kind of impressive how long it lasted without any real issues before it started breaking down

kind prism
#

Didn't Roberts get pictured on a yacht a few years ago

mighty tinsel
#

Oh he absolutely does. He just had a LOT more funding

frosty dirge
#

pure bullshit he likely does the same he just has almost a billion dollars to mess around with compared to 200 mill of ashes XD

mighty tinsel
#

Ashes was effectively 0 funding compared to star citizen

kind prism
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SC has more than $1b, the $940m is just the community raised amount, they've earned more from private investment

mighty tinsel
#

If ashes had a billion in funding, we’d be at 700-800 devs right now and probably released with full scope. It’d also take forever to actually pay it back.

tiny fox
#

😄

frosty dirge
#

if steven had the money chris has then the game would be out and steven would still have sucked millions away XD

jaunty perch
mighty tinsel
vernal whale
#

man low key best possible outcome is probably that steven loses the case, intrepid has to sell the ip and all rendered work to settle it, whoever buys it all isnt a complete cunt

mighty tinsel
#

People only care because it imploded

kind prism
raw jolt
jaunty perch
mighty tinsel
frosty dirge
kind prism
#

I just wanna know if it really was Riot that tried to buy it

frosty dirge
arctic helm
#

It'll also be exposed that it was entirely a fabrication.

kind prism
#

The timing is giga interesting to me. Late 22/early 23 was when the talks were happening, but that's also the exact timeframe Riot seemingly changed their own MMO from a Themepark to a more Sandbox design

grave stone
vernal whale
real plinth
#

Why would riot eant to buy thst? They have their own universe and ideas

jaunty perch
frosty dirge
mighty tinsel
real plinth
arctic helm
mighty tinsel
#

It also wasn’t 11 years. They started in 2017 with like a dozen people

jaunty perch
vernal whale
jaunty perch
fluid urchin
# simple oxide You've only been here since the EA launched but the game wasn't a scam. Steven d...

Yeah, scams don't have 75% player retention after 1 month, and still pulling >50% player retention all the way up until Intrepid imploded. That's a hell of a score for a messy, unfinished mess with no endgame to speak of. Heck, New World 1.0 release was at 5% player retention not even 3 months in. That being said, I give 1% chance to a redemption arc for Ashes, but hey, stranger things have happened and there is precedent of miraculous recoveries (No Man's Sky, Final Fantasy 14:Realm Reborn, etc.)

raw jolt
vernal whale
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like sure, if you want to build everything to be perfectly optimised for nanite/lumen etc then yes, you need to remake most of your assets, shaders etc

but outside of custom engine plugins and shit, most of the ue4 assets just port 1:1 into ue5

mighty tinsel
jaunty perch
raw jolt
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The game felt like they had a bunch of noobs working on it ppl learning as they go or something it just don’t add up how ppl can work on a game for so long and it not have shit lol

mighty tinsel
#

Ashes development started in 2017 with a VERY small group of people. They expanded slightly and put out what was effectively a tech demo in alpha 1, and also wasted a LOT of time with apocalypse.

jaunty perch
real plinth
raw jolt
vernal whale
mighty tinsel
#

ACTUAL development with full steam ahead on what was actually the game started with UE5 in 2020-2021, and has been corroborated with a bunch of past employees saying the same shit

mighty tinsel
frosty dirge
#

question if somebody buys the IP do they have to honor the kickstarters as well ?

arctic helm
#

in 1 year of "full steam ahead" they expanded the plain that had mobs scattered on it.

vernal whale
jaunty perch
real plinth
mighty tinsel
#

Steven absolutely wasn’t efficient with the time they had and the development they did, but it’s disingenuous to say they did very little development on it.

raw jolt
mighty tinsel
jaunty perch
#

Well now i have gone to Eve Online.
Im having a good time there atm, taken a rest from mmo right now.

arctic helm
#

"A day in the life of an Intrepid employee" vid needs to drop.

vernal whale
#

honestly the more scammy part of dev was how theyd keep showing off vertical slices of the cool tech they were doing, like the dynamic weather system.

And then none of it was implemented in any form in the alpha

raw jolt
frosty dirge
mighty tinsel
arctic helm
#

lol Funcom.

raw jolt
frosty dirge
arctic helm
#

If people consider Funcom is the "most experienced developers" in the industry no wonder why Western gaming is utter dogshit.

frosty dirge
raw jolt
chrome steppe
#

the only dogshit games are asian mmos

mighty tinsel
frosty dirge
grave stone
kind prism
#

People always seem to think dungeons are the be all and end all of MMOs. Sad that this is the state MMOs have devolved into

arctic helm
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People only know themepark MMOs because that is what has been popular for the last 20 years.

frosty dirge
#

i like dungeons i think they are a vital part of a MMO but it is not even close to the only part there is many other parts it needs before its a good game

graceful plaza
#

When the servers will be shutdown?

frosty dirge
raw jolt
real plinth
frosty dirge
grave stone
sly creek
#

John Barron here, everything will be alright

raw jolt
# grave stone I disagree on the trash comment but that's your opinion

What do u disagree on? U really think this game had good dungeons LOL it was fucking small caves with a couple mobs, even the befallen forge was unfinished, tower of carphin was a huge let down, there was no real content at current end game, the end game was what u made it to be for me it was making gold and crafting, after I finished making my heroic gear there wasn’t shit to do but PvP

jolly raptor
#

dungeons were ass, they needed so much more work

#

worst part about forge was that you couldn't fish in the lava

frosty dirge
#

the worst thing about the forge was getting out of it XD

#

unless you had a bard it was cancer to get out and even with a bard it was not great

jolly raptor
#

yeah but you chould shoalskipper over that one part in the lava, running out as 50 ppl and all getting on the shoalskipper was great

light whale
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Every single aspect from the game needed a rework. I think the game was way to big, they should do smaller and more fonctional game. For me it was a pain to travel town to town to craft/market, and no TP with slow mount was horrible.

frosty dirge
#

i also never saw the fucking wand from that boss the motherfucker never dropped it

kind prism
#

I disagree with the "release smaller and patch up" argument. I personally don't think that's truly possible anymore. You need to release a behemoth at launch, you can't start small if you want to make a genuinely big game. For smaller projects, sure, for games intended to be top contenders you can't

frosty dirge
grave stone
#

Alot of people in chat need to go back to WOW

light whale
arctic helm
#

Imagine if Intrepid prioritized a single feature before abandoning it for 30 buggy unpolished no where near functioning ones.

mild dust
#

cant imagine still typing in here L O L

molten wave
#

Crazy that this discord is still up

mighty tinsel
#

Imagine if intrepid dropped a single prioritized feature that linked up with a dozen other ones that didn’t exist and went no where CheekySteven

mild dust
#

This game was legitimately a scam, and steven was just faking it the entire time. The progress their 200+ devs made in a year, was embarassing to say the least.

#

Homie paid for a personal chef for him and his husband with company funds, L O L, let it go family.

frosty dirge
kind prism
light whale
#

Is this Discord cost money or its free?

mild dust
#

this discord is evidence tbh

mighty tinsel
#

I’m not sure that would have saved it

#

At this point my opinion is the investors wanted their returns at any cost, and irregardless of if they had another 5-10mil, it would have imploded either when it did, or in 3-6 months from now

arctic helm
#

proper management and accounting would have done wonders.

mighty tinsel
arctic helm
#

that golden goose got hit by a semitruck.

#

unfortunate. could have been fun, toxic as fuck, but fun.

grave stone
balmy owl
# mild dust This game was legitimately a scam, and steven was just faking it the entire time...

Even if that may be, which is don't say yay or nay, the devs did do good work, great progress. Making a game from scratch is not easy. I don't even claim to know a percent of what went into it.
Lots of the assets were scratch-made; the game engine itself would have taken many sleepless nights. And the coding must have been a nightmare to get it all working properly.
If this is a dig at Steven, then it is justified by your opinion, shrug sure.
But we don't know what the devs went through. Unless you are a dev or someone who has toured the place. Then please share the insider knowledge. Or better yet, help with the lawsuit against Steven. Maybe we can at least get the staff, devs, and workers paid for what they are owed.

radiant rune
mighty void
#

@sour birch why didnt trump mention aoc or steven at the state of the union?

queen eagle
#

If Steven had bought Bitcoin, RAM and SSDs years ago he would have been a billionaire by now

#

Should have hired a financial advisor

mighty void
shy warren
#

14,000 people were playing on January 31st. 90 right now.

queen eagle
#

90? How many are bots?

shy warren
#

Some people actually logged in, earlier it was 79

radiant rune
queen eagle
#

90 players trying to log in or 90 players actually playing the game?

shy warren
#

Don't know if they're playing the game lol maybe they just launched the launcher or can't get into a server

next flame
#

those were the bots

livid thicket
#

Wonder if the new studio continues development or just sells everything

forest surge
#

Last I saw Jason talking, they want AoC to succeed/come out, so who knows

next flame
#

i wonder what the cost to rebuild the games assets from scratch would be

forest surge
#

Those were his old texts. In his chat with Nefas he said he wants AoC to succeed

radiant rune
livid thicket
#

The lawsuits are in place for a reason. Steven lost control and the new studio has it. They very well could continue with development just means Steven's grimy paws won't be all over it

forest surge
#

o, I missed that part then, awkward but, if done right its a weird way of legal rmt I guess though you run into the wall of, "is aoc now p2w"

livid thicket
#

Empty pockets? Clearly you don't know what's going on lmfao

next flame
#

it doesnt need p2w, it has so much potential mtx cosmetics

forest surge
#

Why would he? Lol

queen topaz
#

Beta 1 when @vague leaf

livid thicket
#

Can't wait for some kind of update in regards to the situation. Ain't gonna believe anything Steven says though 🤣

green axle
#

It will likely all be legal discovery at this point. Anyone serious about a lawsuit won't say anything until its over.

livid thicket
#

Well of course

green axle
#

Even the stuff said outside the lawsuits at this point was very dumb to say

queen eagle
#

Is that guy straight? I noticed he wears makeup

kind prism
#

Every guy should wear makeup. No reason not to if women do

idle hornet
arctic helm
#

yes, waste money on poison to put on your face.

#

oh wait, waste money on undelivered product. 🙁

potent yarrow
#

I don't leave house without my skirt kilt either... But I'm Irish

kind prism
#

Irish person misappropriating Scottish culture smh my head

fathom moon
#

The one that holds reaction powers here lives NikCheer

thin fiber
burnt matrix
#

hehe i was able to add to the react

solemn moss
#

Wts broodling 7m

azure hull
jovial pine
azure hull
#

🙏

burnt matrix
#

Carph and Forge shouldve needed an item from every POI in the region (riverlands/jundark/etc) to allow access into it and timers shouldve been hour + for mobs...i said it!

mild dust
#

Saying the devs did great work is, just wow.

#

The ONLY saving grace this game had was its combat, and steven was too obsessed with 1 shotting because he's a whale from AA to ever make the combat actually good.

simple oxide
coarse goblet
# mild dust Saying the devs did great work is, just wow.

the devs never got a fair chance

there were multiple teams put on "livestream" duty instead of making the game

their prioritization constantly got shifted, even if they were close to finishing something

scope was changed on a whim. for example harbingers were added based off of a content creators feedback

dev feedback was constantly ignored

fathom moon
#

The yellow one speaks

coarse goblet
#

i dont think steven wants to be called yellow 😏

last agate
#

I miss having emotes and reacts FiSadness

kind prism
#

The removal of my ability to post emotes should be considered a war crime tbf

agile lion
last agate
hexed ingot
balmy owl
grave stone
fathom moon
#

@vague leaf which creator did you pick for your interview

mild dust
hexed ingot
mild dust
#

tbc wow has been sick tbh, game is still dogshit overall due to my preferences.

#

Even ashes at a 3/10 in whatever dogtier phase it was is more in line with my preferences. Doesn't mean one is good for bad.

kind prism
#

Tbc is when WoW became unrecoverable dogshit. (Early) Vanilla is the only half-decent period of WoW

mild dust
#

Flying mounts make me want to perform physical acts of harm - in game of course.

kind prism
#

Irl for me

grave stone
mild dust
#

give AI a few more yrs, its getting your money on onlyfans, only a few more for it to take it in an MMO

balmy owl
kind prism
mild dust
#

Ya that looked extremely bad lolol

grave stone
mild dust
#

For AI to work we'd need to not know its AI.

hexed ingot
#

wonder whats got jonah in a tizzy today that hes in here

mild dust
#

? Was just bored and wanted to see what crazies were arguing over the corpse in here

hexed ingot
#

you joined the circus

mild dust
#

Ya its a funny burning tent, we're humans afterall.

grave stone
hexed ingot
#

the discord shouldve been nuked a long time ago with all the discord violations still up

mild dust
#

was gunna say isnt this shit evidence at this pt

hexed ingot
#

discord could restore the info if they needed to due to a subpoena i would imagine

grave stone
#

Why would they nuke the discord, it's a huge asset which despite what happened still houses a massive community of players who actually want Ashes back

mint gale
#

it serves as a containment zone. The people addicted to this place need to be here or admitted into some kind of long term self harm psychological study

cosmic sky
vital dragon
#

everyone send feet pics to this snap chat landon_4408 or tiktok landonperry44

hexed ingot
#

lots of this still around not getting removed for one

cosmic sky
hexed ingot
sage peak
#

This place is still up?

fathom moon
vital dragon
arctic helm
queen eagle
#

Imagine taking 10 years to copy a game

#

Marathon? Is that another stolen asset game

mighty tinsel
#

You have no idea.

mighty void
#

guys lets watch pantheon dev streams its fun

queen eagle
#

Didn't they get caught stealing assets while also using AI?

#

Or maybe the AI they were using stole the assets

vocal meteor
#

Is the servers still up?

hexed ingot
sturdy crown
#

idk why im still in this server lol

fathom moon
fathom moon
hexed ingot
#

what a horrible day to have eyes

ripe creek
#

gay son or thot daughter?

rocky cave
#

Ashes didnt have any custom flavor yet. Sorta a potluck of average dead mmo from the past. Wish yall good luck on that refund.

fossil scarab
#

What's the going rate on PI accounts these days?

silver bison
#

RYVE LOL

fossil scarab
silver bison
fossil scarab
#

Can buy PI accounts cheap, can RMT super cheap right now times are good

signal epoch
hexed ingot
balmy owl
fossil scarab
#

@plush beacon I miss you

signal epoch
plush kestrel
#

If it’s so good why’s nobody playing it ?

hexed ingot
signal epoch
#

it has too much to do dreams you dreamed AOC would have tbh from house building like rust and raiding to sailing the 7 seas fishing whales and sharks

signal epoch
hexed ingot
slender thistle
#

Going to Quinnfall just one scam into another

signal epoch
hexed ingot
signal epoch
#

i mean WoW is more a PVE game if i'm being honest thats coming from someone doing mythical raiding i just feel The quinnfall has what AOC offer x100 more

#

it clears that itch that AOC gave you from Life skills to open world pvp and much more

hexed ingot
#

nah if i want fun crafting i'll play final fantasy 14

queen eagle
#

I heard Final Fantasy 17 is going to be an MMO is this true or fake news?🫃

#

Is WoW finally going to be killed?

willow vale
rustic lava
snow spindle
#

Servers are up still? 😆

shy brook
#

Kind of up. Most regions are offline

hardy valley
#

Quinfall is okay, it's not horrible. But why would I play a game that looks like it came out years ago versus literally anything else

jade abyss
#

should we be worried there seems to be no news for over a month and less updates or patches?

hardy valley
#

Game is dead

jade abyss
#

when did that happen??

hardy valley
#

Few weeks ago. Go check out Kira, Nefas, and Theoryforge. They cover everything.

fluid urchin
hardy valley
#

Basically what seems to have occurred is company mismanagement and embezzlement. But nothing is proven, so we're waiting on the lawsuits

jade abyss
#

what I've been busy looking for work and missed a few montgs