alpha-two-general

[severe adder]

where support ticket, does it get open on the website ?

[rich geyser]

have you verified your game files

[uncut pilot]

!cs

[placid rampart]

Include more keywords after this command to search for answers to some of our FAQ (ex. !cs password reset), or open a Customer Support ticket directly here if you are having account or technical issues: https://support.ashesofcreation.com/hc/en-us/requests/new

[still river]

i was impatient and ripped my other 3 out myself lol

[half dust]

this game kinda sucks

[keen ridge]

No you

[austere flower]

Have you tried having steam check you installed file in case something is corupted

[rich geyser]

that's not very useful feedback. how about you explain what you dislike and what you like

[keen ridge]

Stupid game gawd , I hate it

[half dust]

not tryna troll

[fossil bridge]

you kinda swallow

[rich geyser]

that's not very useful feedback. how about you explain what you dislike and what you like

[rotund idol]

"500k XP/hr at level 1, totally legit"

[foggy jacinth]

So you reported an "exploit" the day of launch with "proof"? 🤣 bros cooked in the brain

[elder holly]

Remember this is part of a bigger picture. This is a test phase, so you are just seing a slice more or less.

[rotund idol]

The lady doth protest too much, methinks

[slim crystal]

be nice to kaiser

[drowsy spear]

do carpenters make t2 bags??

[hot cloud]

@drowsy spearthey make the gathering bags yes

[foggy jacinth]

https://tenor.com/view/light-cubes-sped-special-special-ed-down-syndrome-gif-8504758980600295536

[drowsy spear]

what station do i make them on?

[serene olive]

me 😍

[half dust]

ok i have a level 7 quest, the area its in is surrounded by level 10-15 mobs

[magic venture]

"The Pests?"

[hot cloud]

If it's not the carpentry bench, I don't know. Just looking in my Artisan page under Carpentry

[glossy lynx]

<@&519722995778977812> can you delete this. total defamation with 0 evidence. especially with polar having reported and not done this

[rich geyser]

it is an alpha, a relatively early one. they do need to address issues with monster levels around you and appropriately tagging quest levels

[drowsy spear]

i dont see it on carpentry table, does town need to be up a level?

[half dust]

so every1 says dont do quests they are a waste of time after level 5, then what do i do.. jump into rando groups where every other person is looting your corpse if you die.. or lotting other peoples which gets you flagged as well

[elder holly]

Well.. i have some skulls in the workshop i need to tend to, and some nighttime snacks to defeat so i wish you all a good night.

[hot cloud]

Oh it does need a tier 2 table

[drowsy spear]

thats from town rank not village?

[wary violet]

Can confirm i saw this in the anvils, I was the daffodil (source: trustmebro)

Lmao ignore, I thought you replied to that polarbear on steroids image, I have no idea what i replied to now rip

[lilac gulch]

Join a guild, then you can have the support of your guild members.

[hot cloud]

as far as i understand it, yes

[lean hazel]

no bosses in lotharia

[pliant bridge]

Anyone travelling across Verra, only to be warped back to where you started on other side of world?

[austere flower]

Ass amusing as that is, here in australia you would go down a extensive and colourful row shit houses for posting that on social media. Especialy if you one wereing the blue gloves

[balmy saddle]

Yes

[still river]

if you desync, it can absolutely take 10 minute to find out, and then you find out by returning your where you desynced.

[rotund idol]

Screenshots from your discord are "zero evidence". People with 1.4M XP within 3 hours of launch, "zero evidence".

Maybe go talk to that pale dwarf lawyer in your guild before using legal terms, dumb dumb

[maiden void]

does avens end literally not have a storage box?!

[wary violet]

Can you read my edit, ok thx bye

[rich geyser]

death does have a cost in this game, it's not very extreme.

and yes grouping is meant to be the primary method of leveling in this game, something from it's old-game-roots.

[still river]

you keep saying people had 1.4m exp within 3 hours of launch, but you havent posted any proof that they actually did.

[rotund idol]

On mobile, replied to you instead of the guy who claimed I was defaming him, mb

[rancid gyro]

People did stream phase start

[pliant bridge]

@still river Thank you

[slim crystal]

what's the strat here btw? whine to mods enough that we get a salt channel, refuse to use it, blame others, and then concern troll mods trying to get people banned? 😂

[half dust]

im an long time EQ1 player so i understand grind, grouping for xp and death penalties.. im not sure the right community is here for that or atleast i havent found it all ive found are rust players type community

[wary violet]

Bro im just trying to kill time in disc chat while im at the gym lol

[rotund idol]

We have screenshots of POLAR players level 14 within 3 hours of phase start. intrepid has the evidence on the server side too.

[noble zodiac]

shol breaking?

[drowsy spear]

is that why people were talking about polar the other day??

[round epoch]

Damns that's crazy levels of exploitation, zero time invested. Reset their characters. They don't need bans. Just reset that shit

[glossy lynx]

like 3 different groups streamed their levling this phase. if you can point to where in their vods this took place. and not just this quest was in and then taken out. this isnt arena of words where you can just as for people to get banned for a suspicion when you have 0 evidence and know 1% of the story

[balmy saddle]

True, this community is toxic af

[still river]

easiest way that ive found to see if you are desynced -- try clicking on a mob every few minutes to make sure you can target them. also, make sure you can see them moving as you run around. if mobs arent moving, and you arent seeing people in the world, youre likely desynced and running around for nothing.

[wary violet]

Time to come to Resna

[tired flower]

funniest part is we have the 1-25 vod. standard aura L

[half dust]

people in your own group let you die to loot your stuff

[glossy lynx]

polar beat us, so they must have cheated 😢

[rich geyser]

yeah i've found a lot of that rust-player-anti-social-twerp toxicity around here.

you cannot suppor this type of game with a toxic community. it will collapse.

[half dust]

you have groups of mages who do nothing but steal kills from actual groups..

[round epoch]

Yo polar dudes as a new player can one of you PM me a dumb down level route. In return I will ignorantly defend you

[wary violet]

Yeah grinding to 25 is very possible within 2-3 days but like you guys must have barely slept haha

[half dust]

so i dont see where this can sustain or be enjoyable for the community that will want to play this type of grind game(EQ1 style)

[tired flower]

38 hours - 6 hours sleep? something like that

[glossy lynx]

literaly follow the starting quests. it gets you a lot of levels fast/ IS did a great job at breadcrumbing the first like 8 levels

[round epoch]

Nah I'm talking like level 10 plus

[wary violet]

Yeah like its not healthy, but definitely doable

[tired flower]

stongly agreed

[glossy lynx]

play in a party. this is an MMO that encourages group play. dont try and do stuff solo. find mobs and kill them, find quests and do them

[half dust]

@rich geyser so i hope that helps with some feedback

[round epoch]

Nah that's not the answer I'm looking for gang. I want a route

[rich geyser]

see that's better than coming in and just saying "Game sucks" and devs are in here reading so maybe they'll see what you disliked

[wary violet]

Can you also agree to let me farm goblins 😂 ill just stand in a corner, jk I got my radiant set but damn is that place contested af

[glossy lynx]

watch one of the people that did it. ill be happy to direct traffic to a guildy's twitch
none of it is hidden

[balmy saddle]

Gotta love all the Polar people coming in here acting innocent and playing the victims, like they have never exploited in Ashes and been caught before. 😆

[tired flower]

i got my bow i am a changed man

[ornate hatch]

Imperfect information may not always be correct, also have you considered how many things you have reported on said individuals and how many of them were not in fact correct. Gotta shoot your 100 shots, or just shout loud and long enough someone’s gonna say you hit to shut ya up for a minute

[maiden void]

Where are the starting storage boxs located i cant even find one lions hold doesnt have and avens end dont got one where heck are they lol

[wary violet]

Rookie numbers, gotta pump those numbers up

[still river]

im still logged in from 14 hours ago, so it hasnt updated yet

[glossy lynx]

maybe you should take that as a clue that there is no wrong doing, because they do have more info than you

[tired flower]

https://tenor.com/view/stop-it-get-some-help-gif-15058124

[drowsy spear]

im just chilling in game xD

[still river]

but yeah, im at like 5 hours of sleep per night lol

[wicked axle]

what mob drops the item? the creepers and seers aren't dropping anything.

[hot cloud]

I have 86 hours but I just fish.

[golden chasm]

Just did it. Hall of Justice. Named NPC named BOOGA

[rich geyser]

where do you even pick that quest up

[wary violet]

Yeah i mean you guys in polar do go hard, gotta give credit where credit is due, competitive gameplay is fun

[mental rover]

@rotund idol Imagine wasting all of your time posting shit that isnt true, just for us to cover our ass and record the whole thing from every POV. you sir are wasting @vague leaf time when he is working on making this game better month over month.

[wicked axle]

have not seen this dude anywhere, where did you find him

[wary violet]

Hopefully once Resna is better geared we get some good pvp content

[livid oasis]

ahhh, so that's why people power level: there is a pretty big difference in spells landing shots or 'missing' on people with higher levels.

[glossy lynx]

you shouldve got that pvp in while leveling. i killed some fed out in lawless areas. it was fun to PVX while leveling. I wish more people would flag up and treat this like a PVX game, not a pve game unless you are in a lawless

[naive fractal]

Is playing rogue with a 2-h sword or mace viable???

[livid oasis]

that should be changed quickly.

[rotund idol]

Oh honey, your entire guild's AstroTurf game is so weak. We're in your discord, we know what's going on. Just stop embarrassjng yourself because when your gm gets caught and punished you're going to look so silly

[wicked axle]

love how my summon just randomly poofs into nothing and refuses to be summoned

[mental rover]

this might be dumb but what does the first sentence mean? @rotund idol

[rich berry]

imagine arguing over which guild is better lol so funny

[rich geyser]

mods can you create a #guild-drama channel and kick them there?

[sharp ember]

Arena chats are for guild beef

Take it there 👍🏻

[still river]

#na-arena-of-words

[wary violet]

Yes and no, like skill only carries one so far, equally skilled players with one wearing adept vs radiant i wouldnt say is super fun, that being said once the gap closes and it gets competitive and more skill based micro/Macro wise its more enjoyable. I also dont like personally incurring xp debt before 25, its been rough with my irl stuff to consistently lvl rn

[glossy lynx]

totally get that. but i was talking about i was even pvping before level 10 with other ppl not level 10. the game should encourage PVX during the whole leveling time. it really does make the game more fun and interesting.

[wary violet]

For sure

[lilac monolith]

i kinda disagree. for people that love pvp, sure. but a lot of people are/are going to be casuals and throwing them into more than what already is would just make them sick of the game imo

[wary violet]

Like at 25, if i had to 1 v 2 as a bard id probably lose but id be more inclined to take the challenge if better geared and not worrying about debt

[rotund idol]

Or that they're prioritizing other things, and while that's recognized, it's not the thing that I'm advocating to be handled with priority.

[glossy lynx]

honestly, then this game isnt for them. its been said countless times by steven that this is a PVX game. more people should feel comfortable confronting other players in the world.

[ornate hatch]

“We know what’s going on” y’all are actually paranoid. Like those people who listen to true crime podcasts constantly and think that makes them a detective and their neighbor is a serial killer type vibe.

[lilac monolith]

idk dude, i think level 10 is generous enough, with the looting = you can get killed before 10

[livid oasis]

unfortunately the leveling accuracy doesn't really allow such an idea, after a certain level difference, people will have a superior advantage over lower level ones. SO eventually it just becomes a leveling race while also trying to stay as safe as possible because losing potentially 50% of your stuff just sucks.

[mental rover]

@rotund idol If they showed you all the proff that we didnt cheat... would you beleive it?

[kind prism]

We climbing

[glossy lynx]

and thats where i believe there should be a reward for people willing to pvx and have a purple flag state. this game should encourage pvx the whole time, but also at an opt-in basis. people that dont want to pvx should be allowed to play, but suffer from not gaining the advantage of a PVX player

[lilac monolith]

arent there lawless pvp zones for that exact thing?

[keen ridge]

A good chunk is players with 0.6 hrs probably never actually played

[glossy lynx]

but there should be more imo. the game is ment to be pvx, not just a few areas. like being purple should give the lawless buffs everywhere

[rich geyser]

so the game has larches.. do they appropriately turn golden in the fall?

[lilac monolith]

lol stated by a pvp lover, no offense 😂

[eternal fulcrum]

Just one good update from the game addressing the changes ppl want in the alpha and the game will be easily positive 😄

[glossy lynx]

pvping over a pve resource is pvx. this game is meant for PVX gameplay. so why not have advantages for being a PVX player?
and like i said it is still all opt in. but the PVX player does have an advantage

[lilac monolith]

do i need logs to join polr at this point in time? or are you guys accepting mmo vets in general

[rich geyser]

carrot definitely gets more people to flag than stick

[dim scarab]

question: Is the game currently running on low res textures? I switch between low textures and cinematic, absolutely no difference.

[livid oasis]

it should also be as fair as possible, which there's quite a bit of conflicting issues against the notion.

[upbeat patrol]

So question for the mods/dev's: is it against ToS to use a level 2 to go corrupt killing ppl's mules and having a non-flagged high level player who stays unflagged just pick it up?

[livid oasis]

real miscreant hours

[upbeat patrol]

didn't happen to me, but I know it is happening but I think I heard this was avoiding the corruption mechanic

[neat sail]

Getting the guild leveled up was a lot of fun

[glossy lynx]

imo fair isnt an importance in this game. its about risk vs reward.
its way less risky to farm something with 3 groups of your friends around. but you are rewarded by less xp/farm because you are sharing it between a lot of people.
but your group could gaurntee the spot because you have so many in numbers.
its not fair for a single group to go up against you. and thats ok, you have made a choice on your risk vs reward compared to the other group

[drowsy spear]

my strategy is ... dont hit back lol

[silver flower]

pve running a crate across the world is literally the worst part about this game currently

[keen ridge]

Those mounts freak me out lol

[livid oasis]

HAH, "risk vs reward"? That's a good joke. YA know there's no risk for the griefer, especially if they powere leveled, since people have already been figuring out how to bypass corruption mechanic as well the accuracy spell situation.. It's not nearly as bad as people are claiming it to be.

[glossy lynx]

you wana define greifer? is it someone not letting you play the way you want? good that is player friction. if you dont want to fight back you dont get to own the content. the person willing to pvp and kill you does get it. feel more comfortable flaggin up and getting people out of your spot
this is a risk vs rewrad PVX game

[supple cairn]

at this point they need to come clean with us that they dont have the funding to continue the game. The steam launch was a complete joke. Now before everyone goes and says oh your a hater, im going to say that I have been a early supporter for ashes for a long time, but frankly im disappointed and alot of you should be as well. I dont believe its worth what they are asking for. I understand they need money but they should have thought this fully through. At this point if they came clean with everything going on I could respect them again. But right now its looking like a scam and that is really sad for someone that was an early supporter to say that. Unfortunately due to them not having enough servers people are staying in queue for 2 hours meaning they cant even get a refund which kinda makes it seem like a scam. I dont think its fair either to dismiss peoples opinions of the game just to say they are being trolls or being hyper negative, that isnt entirely the case. Can ashes be a good game? yes it can be. Is it a good game rn? absolutely not.

[golden chasm]

What in the AI nonsense is this?

[glossy lynx]

someone who doesnt watch anything that comes from steven. steven just went on several interviews and got asked point blank if the money is still good and not a concern. an d multiple times he said it was fine
who is he trying to impress, stockholders? he doesnt have those lol

[supple cairn]

what part of that was AI nonsense? Wasnt even using AI, was giving my genuine opinion on ashes. and right now its not good.

[keen ridge]

Bingo lol

[golden chasm]

Ahh a troll.

[past parrot]

https://tenor.com/view/wesker-albert-albert-wesker-resident-evil-resident-evil-4-gif-5143688443782660001

[supple cairn]

so its trolling to give opinions? yea that makes sense

[bold wraith]

why tf do you lose items and xp for using unstuck lol

[livid oasis]

how is that pvping when the other guy literally just power leveled in a POI with a bunch of fellas and then just goes to a lower level to kick some rando's dirt in his eye because spell accuracy scales with leveling? That's not exactly promoting healthy pvp.

[glossy lynx]

its trolling when your opinion is so ignorant when this exact thing has been covered every single time steven goes on a twitch lol

[lilac monolith]

damn, ignored by polr once again...

[fathom moon]

people think intrepid is broke bc they are selling access to EA on steam - when they've been selling access to Alpha testing since 2017

[tired flower]

You can apply... if u dare

[keen ridge]

Is a job interview be careful lol

[hasty abyss]

Been playing on 100 bucks since may. Although it's been brutally fun, I don't feel scammed

[lilac monolith]

i was banned during the exploit thing in phase 3, i said something like "are we fucked?" in general and got banned, idk if you can unban me

[tired flower]

Nah try spamming steven in this chat

[rapid trellis]

I bet the game will go more guild v guild with less ow pvp stuff. Stephen has fond memories of other pvp games and is slowly factoring in the decline of humanity. He's realizing that sweatpvplulz will ruin the game and then bail when there's no easy kills left. The game requires a larger chunk of PVE centric players to actually develop Vera into a recognizable game world. You need DEDICATED gatherers, processors, crafters, and citizens who'll spend time BUILDING a node. Remember the crapshow that old Resna was? The nodes were held back on purpose by pvpsimps, the whole thing was a toxic wasteland.

[lilac monolith]

ouch

[burnt pelican]

y i got YAMS

[glossy lynx]

heres why that sort of player friction is good for this game. remember this is an MMO where you are supposed to play with other ppl.
if you are lvl 10 farming in HH and a group of lvl 20s come and push you out so that their lvl 10 guildys can come farm it.
its not people coming in just to greif you, they want the xp spot for their guild.
now you have 2 choices, leave and let them have it (the pve experiance)
or
bring your guild's high level players to fight off the other other high level players.
this is player friction that brings about organic pvp over a resource. this is what makes the game fun. helping, and being helped by your friends/guildies

[golden chasm]

I'm truly confused by the point you're trying to make?

[keen ridge]

Fight or leave pretty much

[glossy lynx]

player friction between disparaging levels is fine

[golden chasm]

that's never the case. Even in vanilla WoW.

[lilac monolith]

this is pretty niche and not really the case most of the time, ppl need time to try out the game even if its lvl 10 before being thrown into pvp

[worn lynx]

theres no fighting in single player games

[glossy lynx]

its a good thing this isnt wow then, and its a game in its own right

[supple cairn]

I gotta agree with that. Pvp between lower and higher levels just causes ganking and bullying.

[keen ridge]

Were not in azaroth anymore lady and gents lol

[golden chasm]

Not only did higher level players gank non-stop (Tarren Mill for example) but the best way to level was also dungeon cleaving. Some of the most fun was in those contested areas.

[plain turtle]

i see you, and raise you

[golden chasm]

Pleagues Tale?

[glossy lynx]

tarren mill vs south shore is probably the worst case you could to argue against my point.
that place was full of lvl 60s helping push the other faction out so their faction's lvl 20s could level their
this is litterally what im talking about

[neat sail]

Would love to have giant rats. I have never seen Squirrels in a mmo either.

[lilac monolith]

btw

[golden chasm]

Your point is not a complete one and confusing.

[keen ridge]

Never played rift xD squirrels for days

[lilac monolith]

its biased is what it is, only a select few people would play the version of the mmo hes describing

[glossy lynx]

if ppl are higher lvl than you and figvhting you. get friends who are also higher level to fight back. how does this not make sense?

[keen ridge]

Truth

[lilac monolith]

okay, do that once youre level 10 or above lol

[supple cairn]

I hate that argument, just get your friends to come help you, that only works if you have friends that actually play the game. And that those friends have any interest in pvp. and that their combined levels can even touch the people your going up against.

[prisma dagger]

did server just crash or am i just throttled?

[hot cloud]

yeah, Just get friends, that are higher level than you, that you probably don't have since you're low level

[rare canyon]

RESNA DROPED?

[golden chasm]

I see that. But what is the point you're trying to make? Yes that's how PVP works. Also not everyone playing MMO has friends.

[prisma dagger]

rip resna

[hot cloud]

Join a guild! They will love to immediately drop what they are doing and travel to the newbie zone to kill people for you, who just joined their guild

[glossy lynx]

no pvp below like lvl 5 maybe.
i had fun this phase pvping when i was below lvl 10 also fight ppl the exact same level as me.
i didnt have friends higher than me helping.
dont limit so much ppls time to pvp over a pve spot, thats what makes this a pvx game

[lilac monolith]

bro i dont want to be the guy that says " we need to cater to a wider audience" but i do feel like thats the answer here

[golden chasm]

There is no PVP before level 5... You can go into COMBAT settings and literally turn it off bro.

[keen ridge]

Steven has said him self he isn't going to do that

[lilac monolith]

would i play your facepunch intrepid studios rust survivval ashes mmo? fuck yeah. but most ppl wouldnt

[livid oasis]

again, that's not what I'm discussing here. I don't care about people doing proper PvE competition to effectively tell others "Move on or fight us, your choice" that's fine. That's healthy. I don't mind people fighting for it, that's healthy.

What I AM CONCERNED with is the scaling bonus people get when they power level to mess with lower level players. that's not cool at all. I think if you're gonna start something to mess with others, the playing field should be far better than what it is, currently it's the classic MMO case of "High level griefer is messing with lower levels because they know they can't be touched unless it's AOE".

[glossy lynx]

if you dont have friends in an mmo, make some. join a guild. join a node. join a fishing club. idk jsut get with people and have fun. its an mmo not a single player game

[golden chasm]

Try a VPN

[lilac monolith]

i know but i dont think its healthy in general to throw newbies who are, mostly new at the game, into a lawless pvp world. it just doesnt make sense to me

[arctic saffron]

Can't seem to log into the game anymore, getting this same error

[austere flower]

falling through the ground on login, OH what fun

[round epoch]

Why is rapier and focus best for rogue

[golden chasm]

You're missing the my point. I still don't get the one you're trying to make. 🙂

[untold raven]

fire comms btw ty

[keen ridge]

I understand the frustration, this isn't a new mmo player type game, its meant to have friction and all kinds of emotions, its rly is a mmo that has a big learning curve.

[glossy lynx]

if you scroll up to my point, i wasnt saying make the world lawless.
but give ppl a lawless buff if they are flagged in the world.
this would invite more pvx gameplay at an opt-in basis.
the pve player can still play safely, but not with the advatages given to someone playing this game as intended as a PVX game

[livid oasis]

which I will admit, it was funny as hell watching a lvl 20 rogue EXPLODE when lower levels realize AoE is king, and watched the guy rage in PMs about it, but still. I don't think that should be a thing. Not a lot of folks will know it because this community isn't exactly thrilled with giving info or tips about combat.

[round epoch]

Try shaving that yee yee ass mustache, and replace dem "how you been deary" ass glasses and maybe you'd get some friends

[lilac monolith]

its not frustration its logic

[golden chasm]

That's cute. I never said I didn't have any friends lol. Just non that play AoC. Since it's not complete.

[livid oasis]

is that...a GTA reference?

[golden chasm]

Never played GTAV but it sounds like it would be.

[livid oasis]

https://tenor.com/view/lamar-franklin-lamar-roasts-franklin-gif-20079680

[keen ridge]

I would tend to agree with this if Steven didn't already adresss what his vision and what he wants for his mmo, like people have said he doesnt have share holders he paid the majority so were are just here for the ride of his mmo, hope that makes sense

[lilac monolith]

that would just encourage ganking would it not? id mucher rather pvp be on "mutual terms" or a more niche basis, not heavily encouraged

[lilac monolith]

that does make sense lol and thats good, fuck tencent and fuck netease

[austere flower]

I have reloaged 3 times and Still fall through the world

[keen ridge]

I would listen to lakkez when it comes to making friends however, cant stress that enough

[golden chasm]

FFXIV went from like 8 million players to 200k in 5 years because they made the game ultra casual.

[lilac monolith]

dude has the sauce? 👀

[glossy lynx]

if you are flagged up, you are getting an advantage with the buff like im saying. but at a risk of being snuck up on. yes.
but its opt-in. you dont have to flag, you could play slower and safer.
but you still dont have absolute guarantee of safety while unflagged atm. people still can and do kill you for spots
and this is what i was talking about earlier with bringing friends to help fight back.

[golden chasm]

And fuck Blizzard. They put the TBC Player Boost behind an $80 Cosmetic paywall lol.

[glossy lynx]

it true, ive got enough friends to take a ton of mayorships in the game atm. we are eating good atm.

[lilac monolith]

okay the gears are turning now. so its optional, but you get bonuses(?) from opting in?

[livid oasis]

problem is also that there's a bug that's confirmed that people will randomly flag for no reason. So that needs to be figured out pronto.

[supple cairn]

the problem is new players may not have friends that play the game, they wont understand why they are getting killed for simply farming in a node. They will just assume the game is toxic and leave. There should be complete safety for new players with 0 interest in pvp. Otherwise it will just become an echo chamber where new players dont join because of toxicity and ganking. Just my two cents.

[small kindle]

Shol got yeeted?

[burnt copper]

MY CARAVAN?

[glossy lynx]

yea, flagging is an option you would choose to do in a normal place like halls of jude.
if you flag up, you get the same advatages given to people in a lawless zone.
if you dont flag up, you dont miss out on anything you arent getting right now.
this would just incentivize people flaggin up, while risking being snuck up on. just like a lawless zone.

[golden chasm]

Why would they randomly get ganked? You don't magically gert flagged...

[livid oasis]

except, for the time being, ya do!

[supple cairn]

umm currently you can be flagged randomly, so that needs to be fixed.

[golden chasm]

Is that intentional? I have yet to be flagged.

[lilac monolith]

okay so i guess it would be like warmode from wow, and they could incorporate bonus xp or something. also would be intregrated into dynamic gridding so those who want to opt out arent in the same layer

[keen ridge]

Think its a bards randomly flagging people still with there aoes

[livid oasis]

it's been confirmed that there is a bug that randomly gets ya flagged. Devs are hammering a wrench at it. Clearly...no.

[small kindle]

is it random or are people using alt+ buttons for combat bars and accidentally hitting nearby people

[delicate cypress]

thats why new players have protection to level 10. they learn the ropes. do comissions. learn about how settlements are at war. and then get yeeted into the fray

[golden chasm]

Yeah... so we're good lol. It's a bug and not intended. That's why I'm confused.

[small kindle]

im having a lot of fun killing flagged folks in dungeons though

[livid oasis]

yeah, but for the time being, until they figure out what the hell is going on, ya can randomly be screwed by just...about anything, really. Seems weird.

[glossy lynx]

nope same layer. a flagged person could farm right next to an unflagged person. but at the same spot, the flagged person would get the increased xp and other stuff that comes from a lawless zone buff.

[slender dagger]

a wrench or a rock?

[golden chasm]

Right but it's not intended.

[lilac monolith]

i kinda see where youre coming from now. but wouldnt that same warmode system have a level requirement?

[glossy lynx]

i have no idea how warmode works.
but im talking about using the flagging system in game.
there are 3 flag conditions
green -> normal player, no buffs, if you kill them you go corrupt
purple -> willing to pvp, or force flagged pvp in a lawless zone. can kill or be killed. (supposed to drop less mats when dying but doesnt atm)
red -> corrupt, you killed someone you shouldnt have. stat dampening, will dro pgear on death.

what im saying is in a place like halls of jude (aka not lawless)
the purple status just always get the lawless buff, and all the benifits that brings. its an opt in status everywhere not lawless. it doesnt mean you can kill green players, but it means that a green player can flag at a moment and fight you whenever. its a high risk flag status, and should be rewarded as such

[golden chasm]

Pro tip. Herbalism Vendors sell Mules you can train. Costs 75s to train.

[slender dagger]

So you are saying the weed man sells mules... makes sense

[lilac monolith]

in my opinion that would get very tiring very quickly, especially sinced ranked pvp queues are planned.

[golden chasm]

Run faster with crates. And can hold two crates. 🙂

[slender dagger]

But they put the mule with the weed man >.> i feel like its a inside joke

[lilac monolith]

and what i mean by that is it would get very boring lol

[urban shell]

Spawns are broken on Shol again, please reset

[livid oasis]

https://tenor.com/view/sentry-engineer-tf2-team-fortress-gif-16118262

[slender dagger]

by god the game might not run but there will be another mount in the cash shop

[lilac monolith]

there are so many other non pvp systems in place that pushing pvp in open world activies would just make things a chore after a while

[white basin]

did they just buff hunting? i got 15k xp for a horse.... normally you get like 150 for a wolf

[slender dagger]

I had numbers all outta wack eariler like kills of regular mobs just giving 1k exp then another would be 100exp

[urban shell]

@half pilot spawns on Shol are borked. Can we get a fix?

[fierce haven]

IT is a pvp focused game, yes it is pvx but with a more pvp approach

[white basin]

im going insane trying to do hunting lol that 15k confused the shit out of me

[lilac monolith]

yes but not to the extent hes talking about

[slender dagger]

is it a pvp focused game or just has strong pvp elements?

[lilac monolith]

keeping below level ten pvp safe is the best idea

[fierce haven]

They are making fishing a pvp event

[slender dagger]

They are also adding instanced dungeons so

[glossy lynx]

in no ways am i forcing ppl to pvp with this carrot.
its still 100% an opt-in basis.
but for those opting in. they will be rewarded for playing a PVX game in a PVX state

[clever moon]

bro the crabs broke now too

[gleaming swift]

Shol needs a mob repopulation, dungeons are empty ❤️

[lyric ember]

what town can i craft an apprentice mining pick at?

[lilac monolith]

its a good idea but theres no need for it once ranked queues come out

[hot cloud]

Hodl

[empty geyser]

HODL FAST

[glossy lynx]

ranked ques has nothing to do with open world PVX. how does that have anything to do with rewards people while leveling/playing in the open world with a purple status?

[drowsy spear]

i didnt see that message :S

[hot cloud]

was on shol

[distant wasp]

embrace the suck bby

[nova bone]

This is the only message I'm getting :|

[hot cloud]

@nova bone F\

[drowsy spear]

another bot spammer in pelune global for gold sites

[livid oasis]

gotta be kidding me, the flagging system literally flagged a bud while in town automatically without anything happening. Absolutely bonkers.

[lilac monolith]

it does, because the entire point of this is to make pvp more lively and to engage in open world in a more pvp esque way. well that clashes with about 90% of most open world systems that are already in place, and with about 50% of the playerbase, especially those under level 10. wait for ranked queues for your fix you pvp fiend

[final quest]

Are the servers down?

[lilac gulch]

If you are getting rando-flagged, you NEED to report it in the bug thread about it WITH DEATAILS ABOUT YOUR CHARACTER AND WHAT YOU WERE DOING JUST PREVIOUSLY OF BEING FLAGGED...

[hot cloud]

@final quest no

[livid oasis]

oh I know, he is. This shit is NUTTY

[slender dagger]

He was an infected sorry.

[lilac gulch]

Good stuff

[glossy lynx]

that is PVP. i am talking about PVX. just because you are inviting other people to contest you at a farm spot doesnt mean they will, or that you even have to fight back. you could just run away and have farmed that whole time uncontested with a buff.
this is a pvx game, there needs to be more reasons to flag in the open world. and this would be a really good way to reward players for playing in a pvx gamestyle

[slender dagger]

A zombie mode would be a dope halloween event.

[lilac monolith]

pvx is fine the way it is imo, let steven decide the direction of the gmae

[slender dagger]

New world did a bang up job with all that open world pvp huh

[glossy lynx]

pvx is not fine atm. and its like that on purpose. being corrupt is extremely overtuned on purpose atm.
people need to be aware that more PKing will happen when it gets softened when more mechanics like bounty hunter comes out.
the game is super coddling people right now, and i hope ppl realise that.
rewarding a purple flag state will be a great transition to a more pvx open world game in the future

[slender dagger]

lasted all of 3 weeks till everyone realized there was literally nothing to do.

[charred mauve]

can we get some torches pls

[lilac gulch]

Clicks and drags my window at you

[lyric ember]

what town can i craft an apprentice mining pick at?

[dense pebble]

Bro im out here in the middle of no where cuttin flowers, and im bouncing around. Get to a flower.. bounce back a couple feet.

[slender dagger]

What is this window you speak of.

[lilac gulch]

Oh. You don't know. Hmm, search up new world window exploit

[slender dagger]

I remeber the chat bug that would crash people.

[lilac gulch]

Oh, trust me. You want to see this one.

[lilac monolith]

im just saying i dont know if your vision of the game aligns with his.

[slender dagger]

I put 400 hours on that beta for the release to be worse than the beta.. i felt horrible.

[slender dagger]

Doubt it will, Thats like making a niche of a niche audience of a niche game.

[lilac monolith]

exactly, dude wants pvp iteraction to be the focus of the game lol

[slender dagger]

I dont know of any game that made pvp the primary focused that worked out well.

[lilac monolith]

different genres maybe

[glossy lynx]

i mean steven himself has stated that corruption is extremely punishing atm because he wants a lot softer testing environment.
when pvx mechanics come online your gonna see a lot of red/purple players.
look at a couple months ago when crates came online. that was a very small carrot to kill people in the world and a ton of PVE players cried about it. and it was great.
people need to get used to pvp in a pvx game. that litterally half of what pvx stands for. pvp and pve. or they need to realize this isnt the game for them

[slender dagger]

Well ya i ment MMO's most put PVP on the back burner becauses it makes up like 10% of any giving game population that actually care about it.

[lilac monolith]

that was my point to begin with lol

[slender dagger]

You are literally forcing your opinion to sound like a majority. When PVP clearly is not and will never be larger than the PVE crowd of MMO's

[dense pebble]

SW 40 on Resna sucks.

[slender dagger]

Whats that there luki

[glossy lynx]

dont care if im the majority of players. "this game isnt made for everyone" -steven.
this is a pvx game, and being made as such.

[slender dagger]

So we should make the game for the smaller audience.. of what will already be the smaller audience of the MMO space. That is the logic you are running with.

[lilac monolith]

sorry dude, i just dont agree. it sounds good in theory but most players would not like that change and would stop playing because of it, especially if the level 10 change was removed. i know youre talking about opt in still but most ppl want to do things other than pvp

[cursive tinsel]

Why do the pve kids always have to come to games not meant for them and kick and scream until games get changed

[glossy lynx]

not me, steven. he has explained that directly

[slender dagger]

No you are twisting his words around your point to sound validated. Thats what you are doing.

[keen ridge]

Bermie lakkez is speaking truths, ik its hard to swallow

[lilac monolith]

i wish a motha fucka would, turn the pvp on

[glossy lynx]

i mean do you want the direct quotes? cause ill start screenshoting the wiki from what he says directly about this

[slender dagger]

The same reason PVP neckbeards think their part of the game is actually important.

[slender dagger]

I mean he also said the game was fully funded too. So go ahead and quote away buddy.

[glossy lynx]

you got any evidnce to prove it isnt?? idk why you want to argue against what steven is saying to someone that isnt steven.

[keen ridge]

Aahhh let it go bro, they won't hear xD

[slender dagger]

No let him look like an idiot. You are not too far ethier. One second.

[glossy lynx]

my dude. you are argueing against steven quotes to someone that isnt steven. who is the fool in this convo?

[keen ridge]

Bermie lakkez isn't lying dude , steven has spoken on this

[storm atlas]

Are these good for mounts or just crate hauling?

[keen ridge]

I know it sucks or whatever , everyone wants it to be the way they want , its just not the case

[kindred ether]

Anyone else getting Error 37?

[slender dagger]

Steven has also said many other things too, you are aware of this right

[kindred ether]

oop I got in, weird

[vernal pine]

anyone know where to get ebonthread silk and solvana root?

[keen ridge]

Yes bro, but specifically to that, its not going to change

[amber kettle]

Steam reviews

[slender dagger]

You obviously? Thought we pointed that out.

[keen ridge]

Bro is trolling

[slender dagger]

Oh nice they turned that around good for them hard to please the steam folks.

[glossy lynx]

and my whole point in this convo is to give players a carrot for flagging up. it an original idea to help the community transition to a more pvx oriented gameplay. none of my idea has been said by steven. its an idea im trying to give to the community because i think it will help everyone in the long run

[rotund idol]

when the data changes, my mind changes with it. as the great james o'brien has said: there's no use having a mind if you never change it.

[summer dome]

At this point if you believe anything Steven ever said then you are a brainwashed white knight.

[slender dagger]

Grains of salt.

[vernal pine]

anyone know where to get ebonthread silk and solvana root?

[distant wasp]

Pretty sure new world had this and bdo if you went to a pvp server you had like 50 percent drop rate bonus/loot bonus. i would love to see a bonus for flagging added even if it was small like 5-10 percent of x

[lilac monolith]

i probably shouldnt have engaged in the conversation to begin with, im way too high on adderal. im thinking at like 1000x per second

[glossy lynx]

thats exactly what the lawless buff is, a small like 10%ish buff

[elder perch]

looking for a guild and possibly pay for some epic resources lol

[distant wasp]

yeah the lawless buff. but not the flagging right? i’ve been enjoying the lawless bonus lol

[slender dagger]

Not much to think about sadly. Its not like another MMO just died because they had the same focus right.

[glossy lynx]

yea, but thats what im saying. just give the lawless buff to anyone that is flagged anywhere.
creates a reason to opt-in to purple status

[distant wasp]

yah i would love this

[lilac monolith]

new world was trash in general

[slender dagger]

I enjoyed how they handled crafting and resources tho. Everything else? yea pretty doo doo

[dire inlet]

server crash?

[lilac monolith]

gathering was literally the only thing i ever did in that game. everything else dogshit

[slender dagger]

It had one thing that Ashes currently doesnt have Asmons approval XD

[dusty wadi]

why did they remove the bullywogs?

[lilac monolith]

no asmon :/

[slender dagger]

Nah they got Esfand tho! next best thing

[keen ridge]

This game was popping before them gtfo

[lilac monolith]

lol i never watched esfand, but otp is sick

[summer dome]

Esfand was hyping Wayfinder too. Look where that game ended up. Not sure why anyone would follow that guy's opinion.

[rich geyser]

game just crashed weee

[slender dagger]

I felt his opinions of the game was fair.. Asmons not so much seemed like he just didnt care.. the difference tho is Asmons word literally swings 100s of thousands of players in a direction

[slender dagger]

He is entertaining, Nothing crazy like you have to watch him tho.

[rich geyser]

i'm not a huge asmon fan ( i dislike him and think he's a content leech) but the game does need to be somewhat more casual friendly.

[drowsy spear]

I don't really find streamer reviews as credible lol. It's too much like those "This is where I ate today... omg check out this food item for sale at this shop" lol

[slender dagger]

When the streamer literally can double the games population doesnt really matter if his review is credible.

[drowsy spear]

well yeah but retention is something different though

[slender dagger]

At that point you are hoping some of the players that came stick around.. but its better odds than not at all?

[slender dagger]

I mean they are all content leechs? He doesnt even really play games anymore just does political content.

[acoustic harness]

@kind prism Imagine Riot MMO in 3 years

[rich geyser]

half of his fame is from him reposting other people's videos and "Commenting". he's just a leech.

[slender dagger]

Thats most of youtube.

[slender dagger]

I forgot riot had an mmo

[rich geyser]

omg crashed again

[slender dagger]

Also regardless of what he is do you have 200k people watching you play something?

[rich geyser]

didn't Riot cancel their MMO?

[maiden pine]

So when I get near lionshold and cross the bridge on top it instantly tries to teleport me into lionshold and then kills me. I have xp debt now due to it.

[slender dagger]

They restarted development of it last year i think?

[drowsy spear]

yeah but they keeping it all under wraps

[rich geyser]

aah

[slender dagger]

I was about to say.. there is no actual proof they actually have anything other than people being hopeful. Pink might as well say Santa is real its the same meaning.

[drowsy spear]

one of the leads on it confirmed they were working on it again (fresh start), but that they wouldn't be making any info public this time

[spiral atlas]

Riot MMO. Starcraft Ghost. Duke Nukem Forever. Half Life 3.

[slender dagger]

Still doesnt mean anything. GW3 was confirmed too with nothing out there.

[drowsy spear]

idk if mmo would work for riot though, their crowd is all about instant dopamine lol

[rich geyser]

aaaah arenanet. egos the size of small planets

[spiral atlas]

So is retail wow and that is doing fine.

[drowsy spear]

yeah but retail never started off that way

[slender dagger]

The MMO field is rough at the moment Western Studios arnt getting backing to make MMO's any more hell like 4 of them died in the last year?

[slender dagger]

Retail WoW is surviving off of its Mount sales and people invested in a 20 year old game afraid of letting go.

[spiral atlas]

Just spend $200+ as a new player to buy into all the content and have basic mtx items to get the same functionality you get in every other MMO. Totally a reasonable ask.

[rich geyser]

i'm a software engineer, i once applied for a job with them. in an arena i had significant experience (game dev tools authoring) and they were like "What about a web dev role instead?"

i then got hired by a Fortune 100 doing distributed systems.

[slender dagger]

Did you know that 1.5m people bought the 90$ mount? TWICE

[rich geyser]

WoW Classic players are weird

[drowsy spear]

i kinda bowed out of riot games after they went gacha mode on tt and lol

[spiral atlas]

I don't disagree that the cash shop is what is making that game profitable for them but the point is they have made it work.

[rich geyser]

WoW was fine, but it wasn't THAT GOOD. madmen

also omg this ashes quest can't progress unless it's night? seriously? that's only an hour away. giant middle finger

[spiral atlas]

Whats more instant gratification than swiping the credit card and getting a mount, after all?

[slender dagger]

Oh agree but it took many years of shoving the store down your throat untill people accepted it as normal.

[drowsy spear]

osrs is a good example of mmo dev i think

[spiral atlas]

Yep but they have beat their customer base into submission at this point. The cows will line up to be milked.

[slender dagger]

Guess what? They are rereleasing the 90$ mount again ina different color.. im wondering how many they will sell this time XD

[acoustic harness]

Esfand looks a lot like Asmon when he was a player and not a politician

I didn't watch him much, but I started watching him a month ago, and honestly, his streams are really chill. He's entertaining, but more than that, he feels like he has a brotherly or good friend aura.

[glossy lynx]

I hope IS makes AOC into something like the old MMOS.
wow had large openworld faction based combat over land and resources.
large fights at bosses like Lord Kazzak, an dAzurgos.
killing ally scum that tried to harvest your black lotus.
large scale pvp events like southshore vs tarren mill.
fighting in silithus caves for mobs and mining veins.
trashtalking and shitposting like barrens chat.
not difficult raids, but rewarding. do ppl really think MC is hard?
large expansive lands that were fun to explore without fast traveling being prevelant.
a sense of discovery in a new place. everytime a new zone comes out it always fun to see what bosses and new mechnics they put into AOC

[slender dagger]

Ya, Totally can see that. I've always enjoyed Esfand but i didnt care much for the Classic WoW stuff.

[drowsy spear]

I get some of the critiques people say about AOC, but at same time I can also see the skeleton of the game

[slender dagger]

I agree to a point.. that being there was different servers for people who didnt want to pvp. Also they had flight paths that moved you around.

[grand pebble]

You can play league and climbs ranks without ever spending a single dollar

[glossy lynx]

there will be a semi fast travel like zeplins when nodes reach max level in the future

[grand pebble]

You had me at semi !

[slender dagger]

But still had pvp and pve servers. Meaning PVP wasnt diminishing the game play of PVE literally cucking the 75% of the playerbase.

[drowsy spear]

no i know that, i just don't play games that go gacha mode lol. I think it's a bad example of exploitation

[spiral atlas]

I think this is a happy medium but to be honest I think it needs to be structured such that more than 2-3 nodes on a whole server will have it.

[slender dagger]

those 2 or 3 nodes will be neighbors.. never across the map sadly XD

[drowsy spear]

well, when they complete content for anvils, maybe not

[spiral atlas]

And that is a big part of the reason why it needs re-thinking to not be ONLY max level nodes of one specific type.

[glossy lynx]

it will only be spefic types of nodes that can even make it. scentific. so if a scentific node isnt the one that is max, and it is vassalized the entire server misses out on an opprotunity for one to be there.
but you dont want only scentific to be max level because you will miss out on the bonus features of stuff from other node types.
the community will shape the world in this way

[spiral atlas]

I am aware of that being the plan and that is exactly why I think it is a bad, dead on arrival system/plan.

Nobody is realistically going to choose to max the scientific node over the other options, at least as they have been presented thusfar.

[slender dagger]

What is the actual purpose of Vassals?

[rich geyser]

people are going to dislike having to go back and forth between cities to be able to do their crafting too (single node can't have max all crafting)

[spiral atlas]

The opportunity cost of giving up a max level economic, military, or religious node is far too great to choose scientific for convenience.

[glossy lynx]

atm there is no reason to do one vs the other. there are no buffs, and no way to destry a max lvl to give another the opprotunity to be the max lvl after vassalizing. this system is like 10% implemented. a lot of work to go for sure, and if intrepid delivers even 75% of what is said itll still be a great system
and who knows what other buffs other than convenient travel will come with a scentific max node

[rich geyser]

also: even EVE Online knew better than letting player housing inventory be full loot drop on destruction (citadels)

[spiral atlas]

Something something conflict something something (insert vague jumbled ideas here)

[robust jay]

Single characters cant have all max level crafting either... so that characater wouldnt have to go back and forth anyway

[rich geyser]

i am aware, and i have a feedback up saying that a single character shoudl be allowed 3 GM instead of 2. so that they can at least supply themselves with their primary material for a crafting skill

[random whale]

World is plenty big I don’t think they’ll ever reach the numbers to make every node popping they should just work on making this map as smooth as possible and fill it with POIs

[rich geyser]

refining is too D slow

[slender dagger]

this 10000% they need to stop looking at the big picture and get what they have together now and just package the rest up to sell as expansions later on.

[drowsy spear]

I agree

[random whale]

Make everything wow smooth diversify the mob types make exploring rewarding with chests and hidden shit and work on ambience I want to have a sword and shield on my back clanking while I run or ride around

[grand pebble]

I think league is different tho, there’s nothing that gives a player a unique advantage over another ! More champs maybe, but there’s free rotations , more skins , they do nothing ! Free to play games have to monetize somehow or they can’t pay devs for updates

[slender dagger]

I think if they adjusted the mob tagging it would be in a much healthier spot too. Not everyone gets credit but not as bad as just one.

[drowsy spear]

some skins sort of do

[random whale]

Make the traveling fun I want some old lady running out onto the road telling me she was robbed by 2 fat pig people and I need to help here

[rich geyser]

more drops too. drops can/should be inferior to best crafted. but more drops = more currency in the game = early crafting leveling less punishing & game in healthier state for low levels.

[grand pebble]

Which ones , cuz I’ve heard this argument before but is it really the case

[glossy lynx]

make common gear common

[rich geyser]

but i got told that "i wasn't playing the right version of the game and should learn to play the right version and accept it" For that opinion by a JA

[grand pebble]

Ashes needs gliders like in once human

[slender dagger]

I dont know about drops more common as much as make low level crafting less of a tedious chore that costs a fortune.

[random whale]

Yeah also refining by the time I got enough fucking ore to make a shitty heroic mace I was lvl 10 lol that’s just from mining

[slender dagger]

I feel like crafting is intended to be a strength in this game.. I see the work and passion that is in it just a damn shame they make it such a pain in the ass to enjoy.

[random whale]

Dope I spent all this time trying to make a sick mace but the destiny box gave me a common better weapon for blocking 3 times

[slender dagger]

wasted all that copper for nothing

[random whale]

I didn’t even farm copper cause I had to get fucking tenderloinite for being a dwarf in dwarfville

[rich geyser]

more common drops => more things to vendor to merchant to pay for crafting. and you can make dropped loot the entire spectrum of rarities, but make it a step worse than crafted gear.

[slender dagger]

But i strongly agree.. they need to open the door wider for a larger audience if the game hopes to survive off of more than 5k players

[random whale]

5k players there would be like 3 popping nodes maybe

[rich geyser]

yeah, exactly. this game needs concurrent populations of at least 100k to be viable really.

[slender dagger]

You may not like him but Asmons words were " No one is interested in playing MMO mechanics from 30 years ago"

[random whale]

If there keep adding zones a majority will just stay wilderness lol

[rich geyser]

yeah i was promised old school feel not old school mistakes

[random whale]

That’s why I’m saying the map is fine ass is just make everything smooth as eggs and make it POI dense

[slender dagger]

Fill the map we have.. not so many open planes with one tree

[kind prism]

Asmon isn't even an mmo player though so what would he know

Tally up his mmo playtime and I guarantee you 99.9% is in WoW. I've played thousands of hours of League but only a few of Dota or Hots or Smite. I'd call myself a League player, not a MOBA player.

[rich geyser]

he can see PCU counts for various games?

[slender dagger]

I mean does that make what he said untrue?

[glossy lynx]

i mean currently yea. why does blizz keep remaking classic wow. and people keep playing it?

[kind prism]

A lot of what he says is untrue so

[random whale]

Also no wonder it rubber bands like a mother fucker dude I ran from vhal to joeva and it’s just a cesspool of copy paste camps with Minotaurs and every beast on the planet

[slender dagger]

Retail is the much larger bunch of those.. Classic is just a keep the numbers inflated deal... There is a reason why WoW moved off of alot of those points you talked about.. It wasnt even that big of a deal because it took 15 years to say fine we will make classic.

[slender dagger]

Well fine i think you are lieing. See thats easy.

[glossy lynx]

even things like ascension that is classic wow+ and recently had nothing but openworld pvp. and a ton of ppl did that too.
classic wow keeps selling in multiple places

[random whale]

Also why don’t we have reputation grinds if the game is mostly killing mobs to level

[rich geyser]

manually travelling around the map does get very old

[slender dagger]

I mean you can say they were popular but made up like less than a fraction of the overall population.. facts are facts and they dont care about how it looked.

[covert rapids]

I heard asmon today talking about how he thinks all mentally ill people should be imprisoned. Don't think he's the guy you want to trust for info on anything.

[random whale]

Make different factions of bandits so it atleast gets people fucking moving around to grind different reps

[slender dagger]

If you look to him for poltical advise well.. Cant give you much more help lol

[winter bloom]

My main character is still bricked. Game insta crashes whenever I try to login as that character. Other characters on the same server I can login to without issue.

[rich geyser]

just because someone is a stupid vile piece of crap doesn't mean he's automatically wrong about everything.

you can also independently come to the same conclusion he did just based on looking at Concurrent User counts

[slender dagger]

But again everyone here is conflating their emotions with opinions as if it was actual fact. When it is clearly not. If people were interested in playing 30 year old mechanics then Classic WoW would be more popular that Retail WoW. Everquest would still be in the Top 3 mmos

[covert rapids]

Obviously AoC still needs a lot of work, yes. I don't think anyone is on the other side of that issue

[slender dagger]

Then dont take a hot take from someone baiting clicks from an actual decent take on Video games because he is the markets targeted audience of people they want to play the game.

[drowsy spear]

I still havent had a single legendary wood xD

[covert rapids]

Nah I'm definitely going to continue disregarding that psycho

[upper harness]

hi any information on that, i just tried to connect rn

[slender dagger]

Thats tiny.

[upper harness]

wdym "that's tiny" ?

[glossy lynx]

when classic launched a few years ago. (a few bing like 6 years) it was a higher player count then the retail at that time. as time has progressed and theyve left classic wow era (imo WoTLK was the last "classic xpac") players transitioned to current retail or left altogether.

[slender dagger]

At the time see how you had to phrase that to make it correct? Is it currently the most popular version of the game?

[winged trench]

Did you neglect the part where they said it left the version of the game they liked?

[glossy lynx]

currently wow is dying, classic wow revitalized the player base years ago. but its going downhill again

[ashen lodge]

just logged in, no issue .... check your connection

[slender dagger]

Its cause WoW is played out struggling to find ways to keep its audience entertained you can only reskin everything so many times.

[kind prism]

Ofc classic isn't doing well, it's just a re-release. Osrs died too before they started updating it with new content. Once they did it started growing and eventually blasted past RS3

[glossy lynx]

true osrs is another example that proves "ppl dont want to play 30 year old mechanics" as a wrong idea

[upper harness]

well i was using a VPN since these past days i had issue with AoC ping, everytime i used a spell i had a 3 sec delay before it is used. So i kept using a VPN for this reason but i took it off and it works but idk if i'll keep have that delay

[slender dagger]

But.. they are adding new things to the game... so its not 30 year old mechanics is it...

[ashen lodge]

under high load, there is some server lag, this morning shouldn't be the case except in populated areas like cities ... see how it feels today 😉

[glossy lynx]

the thing that keeps ppl coming back to osrs is a new pvp season. if i look at the player data there is always a huge influx right as a new season starts

[slender dagger]

PVP is the taint of all mmos that will never change.

[upper harness]

ok thx

[glossy lynx]

imagine being afraid of people

[upper harness]

Guys did they fix SB freeze issue ? Because with the summoners coming as a new class there's a freeze issue everytime a summoner summon his pet. I hope they did fix some things before taking the responsibility to put the alpha on steam....

[glossy lynx]

they made it better, its not 100% fixed

[upper harness]

So less freeze in SB ?

[glossy lynx]

SB is its own problem. lots of ppl go there. the summoner thing is just better

[slender dagger]

Well you are now taking that out of context from the entire conversation. When stating Classic was more popular than retail being the topic and then using "At the time" framing its not being disingenious its just your lack of ability to read the entire conversation without a PoLR on it.

[slender dagger]

Its just the truth sadly. its why it seems to get the back burner in every game

[lapis hemlock]

can you only buy commodity certs with tickets?

[glossy lynx]

kinda like when dune got rid of deep desert pvp the player base fell off hard?

[slender dagger]

Thats what you did tho.

[upper harness]

Well at some point they are aiming for nodes war so having "lot of ppl" should not be an issue if they want to do large fight numbers it's not like an excuse for them tbh they should just find a way to fix it if they want their game to be played a certain way xD

[slender dagger]

Never really checked into Dune.. looked neat but not my cup of tea.

[rich geyser]

i've got a big fancy base i logon an maintain while waiting for next content drop

[glossy lynx]

true, in the future. there is still a lot of work to do in the background. hopefully when dynamic griding is fully fleshed out this will not be a problem anymore, and we can have the super large pvp content we were prmised like 250v250 or larger

[rich geyser]

Dune Awakening is great until you go endgame, then they totally screwed the pooch on that. it's two different games entirely. smdh

[slender dagger]

I was also more talking about the larger mainstream mmo's.. GW's actually had decent pvp not Gw2 but the first one.

[upper harness]

It would be cool to be able to have a specific information on what they are working currently, so we can know if they're working on a giving us more content or fixing some "small bugs". So we can see how they progress in their work

[glossy lynx]

i mean, kinda doesnt matter if you did it or not. the data showed that when pvp was cut the players left the game

[kind prism]

Gw1 wasn't an mmo tho

[slender dagger]

What does the Data show for new world.

[glossy lynx]

that it was a dead mmo that was p2w and so it died like it should have

[slender dagger]

no no no it was a pvp mmo no?

[glossy lynx]

pvp + p2w = dead game. you cant have those 2 things mix. those games deserve to die

[slender dagger]

or a PVP focused game rather.

[kind prism]

It shows that the playerbsse dropped more and more as they pushed it into a themepark direction and abandoned the sandbox roots

New world wasn't a pvp mmo. You could play until the heat death of the universe and never once participate in pvp

[proper hawk]

If new world had made the server population cap much smaller could have done better

[slender dagger]

Look at all the Polar folks come out to dismiss the failure of the pvp mmo funny how that happened

[upper harness]

Yes in alpha NW was a PvP mmo with no flagging system but at some point the PvE players that joined the game at release didn't liked the fact getting killed while leveling. So a lot of them left and some cried about getting killed by random people while gathering/leveling

[proper hawk]

They didn’t provide enough end game content availability relative to the server pop they wanted to maintain (at launch)

[shrewd cobalt]

what is this

[lapis hemlock]

delete that file and verify game

[slender dagger]

I felt New world should have dug in and accepeted what it was.. instead of transitioning mid development cycle to a pve game.

[glossy lynx]

easy anti-cheat failure. check your background apps like yolo mouse. they will trigger eac to not let you launch

[rich geyser]

lol is that how you think it went?

hint: the devs realized the game was absolutely DOA as it's original global pvp full-loot barffest

[upper harness]

So NW studio decided to add a "Toggle" PvP/PvE syste unphased (which was the worst move of their life) since PvE player could interact with PvP player in the open world so at some point PvE players started to use monsters in the open world to ruin PvP players experience by sending them MOBS to stop them from gathering while the PvP players couldn't fight for the ressources in the end because there was no phasing and they couldn't fight for what they were trying to get

[shrewd cobalt]

now this !!!

[rich geyser]

the devs realized the game was absolutely DOA as it's original global pvp full-loot barffest

i was there

[upper harness]

Well personally and it's my own opinion, if a game is made a certain way people should accept it how it is. If someone does not like open world PvP and having the risk to be killed at anytime anywhere they should just play another game rather than changing on the way he is

[slender dagger]

Regardless it was just another example of PVP getting the back burner.

[upper harness]

Look at Albion today, they made two type of PvP it's either you go play in Black zone full PvP or you play safely in yellow zone and the game is working fine, just people who aren't made for risked pvp / open world PvP don't play the game in the end and it's fine

[burnt pelican]

weapon drip wild

[slender dagger]

Well its a different story if you can split the experiance right? Not having pvp ruin the game for pvers and vice versa

[rich geyser]

omfg the in game market serach is terrible

[upper harness]

like yesterday i had the issue getting killed in a pvp zone i was farming with random to get gear/exp, we got blasted by a guild group in the same zone, did we went to ask to take off the PvP zone ? no we just accept it and it is fine ^^

[lapis hemlock]

whats wrong with the market searching?

[rich geyser]

sorry, not sorry, i want devs to be intelligent and i want games that have good bones to survive. this game has good bones, and giving it to the rusterhoids is a massive mistake. and not the game i was promised when i backed.

[slender dagger]

Wait so you are talking about the game with 6.5k players atm?

[lapis hemlock]

you should have used it before there was a search function... 👀

[upper harness]

Well depends on what u mean by "ruin" at some point if a pvers cannot beat something else than low monsters in the game and get blasted when they meet players it is not the devs fault at some point it is the players fault for not stepping up and getting better at the game... i can understand that there's some cancer PvP players but you can't say that is 100% of the Pvp players community

[upper harness]

Yes and since when does albion online exist and give content? that's the most important try to compare since when albion exist and since when new world exist and u'll just see which game had worked better and still give content ^^

[glossy lynx]

the game has always been advertised as a PVX game, where there will always be a Player Vs X approach, and that guiding principle will be the core dynamic that will never change.
what did you think the X was?

[slender dagger]

PVP players diminish PVE players experiance in a mixed enviroment.. thats why there is two versions.

[lapis hemlock]

untrue look at arc raiders the PvP is the only thing that makes the PvE good

[slender dagger]

Is that an MMO

[upper harness]

As i said earlier, i didn't say we should not have a toogle pvp/pve system, i said that if get one it should phase players in a total different environnement so people in PvE flag cannot interact with those in PvP and so they will not ruin each others experience

[lapis hemlock]

its the same gameplay loop as this. leave town, get mats, come back to town without dying.

[autumn arrow]

@rain raptor what do i get for a 10 year badge?

[glossy lynx]

it was expressly stated by steven there will be no different servers for pvp vs pve. that's essential what this would make.
if you dont want to PVX dont play a PVX game

[upper harness]

but do not forget that there's way more mmo for pve players than pvp. So i personnally think they pve players should go player these mmo if they do not want to interact in PvP at all with other player in a game

[slender dagger]

You’re also right here.

Steven has said:

The game is fully funded

PvP will be meaningful

The game isn’t for everyone

He has also:

Walked back positions

Reframed statements

Deferred decisions to testing results

[rich geyser]

facepalm being PvX doesn't make a game automatically into a rusterhoid grindfest mess bro

in fact almost every complaint i have is about PvE/craffting balance and market issues

[upper harness]

Ofc i'm totally fine with having pvx and people should not play the game if they do not like pvx

[slender dagger]

You literally quoteing him means nothing do you not understand that?

[upper harness]

I mean for me personally open world pvp is the best form of pvp i enjoy

[slender dagger]

"Well STEVE SAID!!" He has said alot of shit. and has stepped back alot of shit

[upper harness]

even though i get ganked solo by 20 ppl

[slender dagger]

At the end of the day he is going to want to recoup his money and make something alot of people will enjoy and to this day there is no good example of a good pvp mmo out there. other than these weird stains on the internet with 5k players

[stark marten]

what is this building? u get close and it disappears

[slender dagger]

Looks like it has a diving platform lol

[upper harness]

Well at the end of the day the best PvP that has been made in mmo industry were korean mmo sadly xD

[drifting tundra]

Mobs messing up again? Where my spawns??? Shol - Steelbloom

[amber cedar]

any work arounds for this? known issue? I didn't find anything about it on discord

[rich geyser]

where are the damn crafting reagant vendors in Joeva ffs

[glossy lynx]

Steven has said:

The game is fully funded (any evidence to the contrary?)

PvP will be meaningful ( any evidence to the contrary?)

The game isn’t for everyone ( any evidence to the contrary?)

He has also:
Walked back positions
Reframed statements
Deferred decisions to testing results

yeah, accepting player feedback is why we are allowed into the alpha, and we have feedback threads. but the fact this is a PVX game is an unchanging truth. that will not change due to player feedback. this was specifically said by steven. idk why people think their feedback to make the game more pve friendly will change that core belief

[upper harness]

steven secret chamber

[slender dagger]

So in this statement you just disproved your own point that accepting player feedback.. "Except for the part i want being PVX" You literally are arguing from some weird echo chamber in your head.

[rich geyser]

and nothing i've said changes it from a PvX game. a PvX game isn't automatically a "doesn't learn from other games mistakes, encourages no-lifing grindfest"

[slender dagger]

I give up its like talking to a wall.

[blazing star]

I CAN'T GET IN IT KEEP RELOADING

[glossy lynx]

it is a wall, because its a wall from steven. this isnt my opinion. like litteraly read the question he is answer in that quote

[slender dagger]

Tell the idiot alot of things have been stepped back on.. he agrees then says some post steven posted awhile ago.

[whole horizon]

im at the emberspring settlment on my server and cant find the person to turn tradepacks into can anyone advise me here please

[rich geyser]

Trying

[covert rapids]

I think not being a PVE-centric MMO is smart. They can't compete with the PvE titans like WoW, so why not target a different niche and try something a little different? Let it cook. We don't know exactly what the PvX will all look like yet. It seems like the idea is PVP is meant to be a risk factor for things like caravans and ships, and also node wars. As it stands now random ganking is heavily discouraged. I haven't even seen it happen.

[rich geyser]

@glossy lynx let me give you another example of a dev studio trying

https://duneawakening.com/news/a-message-from-the-creative-director-on-pve-and-pvp/

"*But as Stephen King says, “Wish in one hand, shit in the other, see which one fills up first.” One of my hands is overflowing right now and sadly not with wishes. *"

[blazing star]

It keep saying "Waiting for Async Loading" then it reload again, and there is nothing saying my account is temporary blocked.

[slender dagger]

No im done with you. You cant read and understand what is happening so im not doing it anymore. You agree'd Steven has walked back things.. You agree'd Some things change based on feedback. You then decide to post something steven said awhile ago.. "

[glossy lynx]

yes, by all definitions currently they are trying to make a game. it could fail at any moment, but i am here giving my support as best i can.

[charred mauve]

Game is in pretty good shape for only being in beta

[slender dagger]

Alpha

[lilac gulch]

Dune has the issue of a lack of clear game direction. They need the gMe to be fun but there's just a lack of content

[rich geyser]

so are we, hence why we're giving feedback that you don't like. the simple matter is that games have moved on from certain mechanics for a good reason. fractured regional markets are one of them (Eve is an exception for multiple reasons, and not applicable here)

[rich geyser]

the problem was that it's two games, one really good followed by one really bad.

[glossy lynx]

lol i dont get what you dont understand. things can change, and he has said as much. but the question he was answer is what things wont change. even in his livestreams he does even this month he opens with. this is a pvx game, and isnt for everyone. he constantly backs up this idea. because, so many people are in here thinking htey can change his mind to make it more pve

[rich geyser]

others are matters of feel. most players will absolutely HATE being unable to harvest->refine->craft chain their primary resource. they'll still need to interact with players for secondary resources. like one piece of journeyman weaponsmithing required metalworker, lumber miller, and stoneworker inputs. so they'll still have to work with other players for two out of their three inputs

[slender dagger]

You are just being a trolling idiot at this point.

[rich geyser]

your screenshot has him using couched language.

Do you want this game to survive?

simple question

Do you want this game to be thriving 1 year after launch, 5 years after launch?

https://tenor.com/view/crickets-crickets-chirping-silence-awkward-silence-gif-4144941840291649937

[glossy lynx]

if this game doesnt deliver on what it has promised, no i dont want it to thrive. I will have been mislead, and why would i back a studio that misleads me?
currently i am of the belief this is a PVX game, and being designed with that as the primary focus
I dont want a game that caters to the whims of people. I want a studio with a vision to deliver that

[rich geyser]

ok bro you need to listen for a second

NOBODY HERE HAS SAID THE GAME SHOULD STOP BEING A PVX GAME

stop arguing against something not even said if you want people to take you seriously

[glossy lynx]

pvping is 1/2 of pvx. if people say it should reduce the amount of pvp, and games that have pvp as a main focus die out. yea they kinda are

[dapper elbow]

Confirmed, unable to craft using region specific or generic faded treasure maps. Region specific faded maps wont show up as a selectable material at the scribe station. I saw a message flash when trying to craft "unable to craft"

[rich geyser]

"I dont want a game that caters to the whims of people. I want a studio with a vision to deliver that"

AKA you want a failure, and would be a terrible business owner.

"In matters of taste, the customer is always right". the market has voted with its feet. honestly so far in this game i tihnk the PvP balance has been pretty damn good, and the PvX elements.

most of us are complaining about game systems that, if changed, would not make it stop being a PvX game. so try arguing against things actually said

maybe a few tweeks, but by and large i don't think the PvX element would turn off most of the market.

the issues with economy and crafting systems, insufficiency of quests, etc would be the biggest pain points

[slender dagger]

His conversation is literally Dogma once he posted the screen shot

[rich geyser]

unless his next reply shows him capable of actually reading what is being said to him, he gets ignored

[stark marten]

realistic ✅

[glossy lynx]

when have i ever said anything about not fixing the pve parts of the game. i totally understand they need work.
this all started with me bringing up the idea that people that are willing to flag should get a buff like the lawless area.
as this would incentivize people to pvx more in the game. that was my starting stance, and since then has shifted to me having to defend open world pvp as a concept

[rich geyser]

define "Buff" in this case. extra item rarity when getting drops/harvesting? sure, excellent. go for it.

carrot works better than stick to get people to pvp

[glossy lynx]

holy cow, have you been listening to what ive said, or did you jump in, in the middle of the convo
i have made it very clear the idea was if you have a purple status anywhere in the world, you would get the lawless buff, and everything that entails

[rich geyser]

bro you replied to me

[rich geyser]

bruh you're not even screenshotting the right thing

[frosty frigate]

You’re all dumb, go to sleep

[rich geyser]

are all of POLAR this dumb? makes the accusations of exploiting more believable

[glossy lynx]

what exactly from before would you like me to quote? that is answer the question you asked about "buff"
or do you not go to lawess and know what that entails?

[rich geyser]

in previous alphas i haven't gone that far, too unstable. i'm level 12 right now in this one

so +XP and +Luck like in New World. exactly what i said would be a reasonable thing to do. you could have just replied "yes" instead of being obtuse

[glossy lynx]

so just so that you are aware, that quote is answering your question. you just havent played enough of the game to realize it.
there is a buff for being in the lawless. this 100% answered your question and yet you call me dumb because youre too ignorant to know an answer when it is directly replied to you

[rich geyser]

you can't possibly be this socially inept, you have to be trolling me

[frosty frigate]

Prob best to just ignore, they enjoy this stuff

[eternal hemlock]

Polar doing polar things? Idk man, I didn’t say that out loud

[rich geyser]

i'm not sure if they're inept, or attempting to make me angry, or what. but it's sad.

[frosty frigate]

Could be both

[rich geyser]

you know i've played so lightly before that i never got to see the guild drama, but i've not seen a single guild that likes them

[slender dagger]

I imagine they just huff each others farts all day.

[eternal hemlock]

Yeah I really don’t know any either, it’s a shame. I also wonder what the vetting process is for their recruiting system

[slender dagger]

the fart huffing portion.

[rich geyser]

if (IQ < 80) { AdmitToGuild(); } else { Troll(); }

[slender dagger]

Its the same as when dogs say hello to each other.

[rich geyser]

anyway it's 11:24 my time, i'm not skipping work tomorrow like i did today for a doctor appointment. i should sleep.

[eternal hemlock]

This makes the most sense ever now

[plush relic]

Could anyone share the link to current gathering crafting state, i played last time and it used to be static spawn resources

[proper mortar]

Where is the construction site to drop this crate off in avens end for the last leg quest lol

[tawny harness]

guys is there a option that i will have two sets of skills and just swap around those two? one for pvp and one for pve/mob grinding?

[golden minnow]

how is the summoner crashing people not been fixed yet

[glossy lynx]

you can change your talent points freely. there is no dual spec, or setting up 2 sets of keybinds you can swap between

[naive warren]

Did they say when they were gonna add buildings to nodes again?

[weary girder]

Ngl Python's better than C

[glossy lynx]

buildings are starting to come online on the resna server. like Joeva has active buy orders to make buildings now

[naive warren]

wow im in joeva on resna

[glossy lynx]

you should see empty plots being built atm. gotta fulfill the requests and then buildings will come up.

[naive warren]

Same with other nodes as well?

[worthy cargo]

N> smithing station in joeva T.T

[naive warren]

Any new aelans in chat?

[rich geyser]

I do distributed systems, in c++. Python is a child's toy to me heh

[sullen patrol]

Quick question, if a pack mule dies can you respawn it like your mount after a while or does it stay dead?

[worthy cargo]

yes it respawns, just like a normal mount. It does drop the crate it's carrying tho if it dies

[proper mortar]

Where is the construction site to drop this crate off in avens end for the last leg quest lol

[worthy cargo]

if you started the quest in joeva, you go to avens and make the construction crate. Then bring it to the building thats under construction in joeva, then back to the npc to complete the quest

[proper mortar]

I started in lionhold

[sullen patrol]

Ah ok, ty. Follow-up, does it work for beasts of burdens also? Thinking about getting into caravans and saw they were pretty pricey

[proper mortar]

The crate was behind the woman I just have to take it to the construction site it says in avens end

[glossy lynx]

beasts of burdens are a caravan upgrade. if your caravan dies en-route all the parts are gone atm. maybe in the future you will be able to salvage some of it. but currently no. its all gone if the van dies

[weary girder]

Personally I study electronics engineering, back in high school we learned to code with C for arduinos, but in college we learn Python and VHDL, and won't lie it took me a while getting used to Python, but it's just generally better all in all XD

[marble void]

Sport fishing is tedious but fun

[median schooner]

which us server are OCE player playing on

[sullen patrol]

Ok, thx

[full tendon]

python is not better than C lmao. Interpreters are so much worse when it comes to run times and memory management. Coming from an SE major btw

[glacial skiff]

hey guys my game keeps loading to the point where it says 'connection to the realm timed out' am i doing something wrong?

[short osprey]

cannot login

[glacial skiff]

dw just loaded lol

[median schooner]

next step: game will crash when you launch it

[rich geyser]

Any language with "meaningful whitespace" is degenerate.

It's also simple incapable of doing what I do.

[runic matrix]

hey guys how do i get in touch with devs about sports fishing being bricked on my account xD

[rich geyser]

I'm not kidding. It can't do the low level systems work we do. It's concurrency is fake (one thing runs at a time- see the GIL), we need real concurrency. We have multithreaded locks to consider, direct IOCTLs, system drivers, etc

My degree is Computational Science.

[runic matrix]

Moved a sport fishing ability on my bar and there's no way to get it back. They are not in the spell book, reseting UI doesn't do anything, deleted the entire game and reinstalled.

[white basin]

why do i have to hold down Lalt to flag for pvp and stay flagged? like i attacked somebody then when i let go i couldnt attack anymore. but they could attack me

[full tendon]

I agree, most of the languages used in high level and low level system designs are compiler based. Python is neat and quick to use, but in reality it's one of the slowest languages there are

[runic matrix]

change it to toggle instead of hold

[white basin]

under gameplay combat? for pvp?

[full tendon]

like just over the past few days of using it for leetcode questions, i realized how limited it actually is when it comes to real problem solving, yes that can be left to the user as well, but python has just as many limitations unless you decide to use bloated libraries to handle it for you

[glossy lynx]

you can change it in the keybind settings. i would recomend setting it to a toggle keybind, not the flag keybind

[rich geyser]

Anyway. Sleep time for reals

[prisma dagger]

anyone else disconnect?

[full tendon]

on a different note, what can i do to keep myself from dying, its almost impossible to level up grinding mobs solo

[glossy lynx]

puller lower level mobs, less stars, farm/craft some gear, or team up with other people

[long ingot]

are the servers down ?

[sharp minnow]

Lotharia down?

[primal folio]

probably lotharia down XD

[prisma dagger]

i just got booted off resna, logging back in now

[upper harness]

ah ?

[full tendon]

like i understand the gear part, but im not high enough level to even use the better gear, because i cant level up

[ebon stratus]

nah I've gotten to lvl 12 while fucking around a bunch solo wasting a ton of time
just pick 1 spot with the easiest to kill mobs as close to ur level and farm them, preferably high respawn timee

never fight mobs that can shield themselves like the minotaur streamweavers, good tip

[runic matrix]

anyone looking to buy adept gear on shul, pm me

[prisma dagger]

back in

[upper harness]

did they do a hidden reload server ? xd

[full tendon]

idk i've been struggling the past couple days

[ebon stratus]

been there been there u'll get the hang of it

[upper harness]

cannot lot code : 37 xd

[grizzled osprey]

Failed to connect to server (Lotharia) code 37 Am I alone like Britney ?

[sharp minnow]

i can log into my healer in Joeva but not my tank over near Miraleth lol

[ebon stratus]

also, u can go for easy kill quest commissions close to a town - which will give decent exp and other rewards
even if the mob exp isn't all that high by itself, but the quest reward will be

[upper harness]

can't log i was on oak xd

[primal folio]

failed to connect to server lotharia code 37

[glossy lynx]

you can craft gear at is usable even at level 0 that would really up your survivability. press P, and look through the crafting menus and get an idea of that gear. that would be a good spot to start with gear. also check out the LFG channel, chances are there are people around your level somewhere

[full tendon]

my main problem, i am up against the clay enemies in the lower areas, which are lower level than me, and ill get stunned by appliants, and then end up taking over 250 damage from a tracking ranged attack and ill die almost immedietely due to no resists happening

[ebon stratus]

yep that's a noob trap, watch out starred mobs

[sharp minnow]

Yeah something up in Lotharia, can log into healer but not my tank for sure.

[ripe osprey]

FIX MOBS PLEASE 🙂

[full tendon]

i might just need to try swapping gear, what would be the best type for a mage?

[ebon stratus]

I was just lvl grinding rn in an area with lvl 6-8 minotaurs and 'hunters', but because they had stars they put up a fight if I fought too many even tho I'm 11

even solo I'm not one shotting them

[sharp minnow]

all the gear that looks like a worthwhile upgrade to me "even at level 0" require recipes and i can't find any info on where to find/farm for them

[full tendon]

oh yeahh i don't expect them to just disappear, the levels of enemies seem to be super high around settlements, and any other area i go to ends up with me getting wrecked lmaoo

[kindred topaz]

resna dead i guess?

[ebon stratus]

Even I can go to that place ur talking about and get decent exp, something pit in the anivals correct?

[full tendon]

yeahhhhh

[ebon stratus]

for example that place has a couple of 2 star clay dwarves

[nimble urchin]

Resna dead at Church, and alive in Mira

[full tendon]

yeah i moved a bit away and im down the way fighting ravens and arsenists

[kindred topaz]

dead at church of seven stars also

[ebon stratus]

which can have close to 3k hp lol, also applicants are some of the worst mobs to fight in the game because if u try to run they'll snipe u with throwing hammers that stun XD

try fighting the bandits in the forest camp beneath that magma pit

[full tendon]

REAL

[oblique mortar]

kicked from game (avon's end) Can't get back in

[nimble urchin]

Yep happened to a bunch of people depending on where you were

[ebon stratus]

exactly what I did, that's it
eventually u'll be able to farm that highwayman camp, there's 3 if u haven't noticed - sometimes there's a wandering "Senna Giant" lol, 3 stars
then u can graduate to the pit or other locations

[full tendon]

oh yeah, that sucker one shot me yesterday morning Lolllll

[glossy lynx]

here is an example of soemthing that would probably boost your survivablity at lvl 0. everyone can craft this and if its an upgrade if can deff help you out while you level. this is just 1 example. look around the crafting menu, or hit up a crafter in the global chat

[obtuse robin]

server worker 34 just died.

[ebon stratus]

XD
also another effective thing u can do is go to dungeons with people, solo isn't really the way to play the game even tho that's what I do

like uh veilbreaker mines is close by and a couple of others - huge dungeons with lots of mobs, people literally invite u just by being in their vicinity

[full tendon]

yeah i have a bit before, but ill have to hold out for a bit until everyone has more free time. I appreaciate the tips tho

[ebon stratus]

:p heh don't wait to wait for ur friends if u just party up with randoms while they're gone

[delicate ivy]

at least you have a nice skin

[ebon stratus]

😭 ironic that ur pfp is of solo leveling and I'm giving group leveling tips

[delicate ivy]

Anyone knows if Bear is still involved with the project? or it's just Inon?

[copper mulch]

how does one make money delivering crates? i only got 10c from a herablism one and it took 20 min to do this so surely it cant be this?

[delicate ivy]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-jYH01CBlm4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNTXIHyIx4g

See if hese 2 help

[full tendon]

i also can't wait for the settlement tax to go down 😭

[noble citrus]

awesome! now make a guide about how to make friends 😃

[frozen fox]

no literally lmfao

[naive ledge]

server down?

[delicate ivy]

just say hi. don t be afraid

[noble citrus]

im trynna start a lowkey, chill, semi-casual group jus to hop on n group up whenever available 🙂

[full tendon]

you on leyna?

[noble citrus]

lyneth sex tips

[full tendon]

oh thats right, im on lyneth as well

[eternal hemlock]

[noble citrus]

w i can dm u my ign and we can group up some time 🙂

[frozen fox]

is there a way to repair thats less expensive

[noble citrus]

hi (afraid)

[eternal hemlock]

https://tenor.com/view/boo-cute-kitty-boo-white-kitty-coejia-gif-12951888160698442486

[noble citrus]

AHHHH

dont do that dood...

[delicate ivy]

https://tenor.com/view/hey-girl-hey-hey-there-oh-heyyyy-oh-hey-there-you-gif-11372691295730809478

[eternal hemlock]

https://tenor.com/view/grimaceface-gif-5364507005109588806

[full tendon]

https://tenor.com/view/burnt-peanut-the-burnt-peanut-mmhmm-mmhm-mmhm-gif-8170698848261710513

[noble citrus]

ummm...h-hows the weather?

[delicate ivy]

meh, not as good as I wish it would be... there is no more snow in the winter...

[noble citrus]

you dont like snow? or is it just TOO much snow

[delicate ivy]

there is 0 snow, and I would love to have snow in the winter 😄

[eternal hemlock]

Look at keebs being brave and making friends

[noble citrus]

oh, oh yes snow is fun!

[frozen fox]

do you think ashes could use a daily reward system?

[noble citrus]

i cant solo forever. these giants hurt at lvl 7

[dry junco]

idk what my dude been up to while i was gone but he needs help i think

[noble citrus]

they kinda already have that? or do u mean like, daily log in rewards/quests. cuz i assume their intention with commissions is to serve as that type of loop. atleast early game

[frozen fox]

yeah daily log in rewards

[eternal hemlock]

Dude had a rough night

[eternal hemlock]

You getting decked in the schnoz?

[noble citrus]

me when i when i me when i when i do me when i

[eternal hemlock]

https://tenor.com/view/peter-griffin-stroke-family-guy-gif-25106673

[noble citrus]

i was just wandering thru a forest minding my own business and then it turned into a horror game, being chased by a giant into a group of higher lvl minotaurs.

[tawny harness]

jus saw vid on yt about Harbringers event - do we know something when this will be in game 😄
Looks sick asf! xD

[eternal hemlock]

It’s already implemented, just, not sure where

I think maybe they are waiting for people to get a little higher as they’re level 25 end game content

[tawny harness]

im lvl 11, cleric - heals are very low, i dont have gear to make heals better...

[eternal hemlock]

Get gathering and make some gold to either buy upgrades or start crafting your own

[eternal hemlock]

So, don’t say hello to those folks, be very afraid of those folks

[chilly marlin]

Hey is the tools upgrade same as it was before? Reach lvl 10, upgrade gathering certificate, go to apprentice bench and craft apprentice tools?

[copper mulch]

how do i get the scrips/tokens to get commodity certs and why does this game not explain anything about how this system functions?

[white basin]

gotta love getting DC'd when your running 2 packs

[charred stone]

rip..

[runic matrix]

how can i get assistance on a bug that only i have >_>

@vague leaf pls fix i would like to sports fish sir

[bright sonnet]

Where I can level scribe to apprentice?

[jolly vessel]

Go back to your starter town and there's a "master" NPC you use to raise your certificates

[bright sonnet]

I already found

[blissful mist]

Does anyone remember what to do in giant threat quest at HOJ part?

[dusk forum]

get a dagger from goblins and go to an archway near altar in the front

[blissful mist]

killed like 10 alr no drop

[fossil gust]

does anyone know if the islands in the sea near Windansea are still good gear farm spots? it used to be lawless pvp zone but not anymore? so maybe drop rates are lower now?

[rigid python]

for me it dropped in the same room you put the dagger in from the creepers and it is not a quest drop it drops like a normal item

@blissful mist ignore the captain go to hoj

[blissful mist]

Is it in this part? it doesn even say anything about daggers, i cant interact with captain

[rigid python]

they still lawless last i checked

[oblique mortar]

It should be in your skill book under fishing

[blissful mist]

[frozen fox]

farewell farewell

[quiet pagoda]

where do we report cheater?

[balmy saddle]

Everyone already knows which guild they are with Zyn.

[fossil gust]

is a legendary salmon worth anything?

[stable siren]

@formal nebula

[delicate ivy]

make sure to post that in #1365478519441719377 please.

[delicate ivy]

you need to contact support

[mild crag]

When opening the game, it suddenly closes on the loading screen.
How can i solve the problem?

[delicate ivy]

!cs

[placid rampart]

Include more keywords after this command to search for answers to some of our FAQ (ex. !cs password reset), or open a Customer Support ticket directly here if you are having account or technical issues: https://support.ashesofcreation.com/hc/en-us/requests/new

[delicate ivy]

have you tried to close steam and reopen?

[fickle sail]

how are people leveling crafting. I'm getting pitful amounts of xp for making even blue gear

[frozen fox]

its a mystery to me too

[fickle sail]

I've reached a brick wall when it comes to getting gear. Been farming oakbane keep for two days and not got a single drop (even though people insist loot drops there) and crafting is so slow that it would take literally weeks to make anything half decent like wtf

[tawny harness]

ive heard a lot that to progres faster you should farm correct mobs...could someone explain this to me?
as a cleric 11 lvl which mobs should i farm? im in Miraleth
Most of the time i farm with friends - silimar lvl (max is 13 i think).

[warm summit]

erm, what it mean?

oh its loading now

[fickle sail]

@tawny harness The whole farming correct mob thing is a load of bs that people here are peddling to excuse the abysmal drop rates. According to some people who defend the system humanoid mobs drop gear but after 22 hours of farming level 10 two star+ mobs at oakbane keep and other meta spots I've had literally nothing, ever.

[spice thicket]

Can somebody tell me, how much the T2 (green) Ingrediants/Material from NPCs cost? (Base price without tax)

[spark bolt]

wtf ? does not load character creation

[tawny harness]

so tbf it doesnt matter where i am and which mobs i farm 😉
thanks bro!

[placid veldt]

Was there a Patch within the last 12 hours? Steam downloads a 6GB patch and applies ist.

[dawn ledge]

Got adapt drop from lvl 12 Wolf yesterday

[fickle sail]

Exactly, you can just kill something and randomly get something. The drop rates and crafting where really good on PTS, got no idea why they reverted all the positive changes when it went live

[delicate ivy]

i would give ashes codex a try and see if you can find something usefull there

[crystal mirage]

If I join a town, can I break my allegiance later if I find a better place?

Also why is a level 2 camp at 100% for 2 days now? It is a vassal, does the other node need to allow it to "evolve"?

[fickle sail]

@delicate ivy Appreciate it but knowing where things drop doesn't increase the drop rates sadly

[tawny harness]

but is matter that as a lvl 11 cleric i famr mobs that are 8lvl?

[delicate ivy]

idk, saw quite a few drops in groups.

[fickle sail]

I've been in a group of 6 and have been farming oakbane daily and none of us have ever seen a drop

[frozen fox]

i got legendary oakbane last night

jk im just trolling

[delicate ivy]

and are you sure you guys were hitting the right mobs for drops? or did you try to see what they were droping?

[fickle sail]

I was at oakbane

[rigid python]

i hava seen prob close to 20 pieces drop oak i have seen the entire sanctus set drop like 4 bows a book 5 melee weapons and 4 magical melee weapons in just oak in seph i have seen closer to 13-14 pieces

me and my party are now full adept from gear to accesories

[plain glacier]

any reason why my mount doesnt get party strider buff? im the ranger trying to apply it

[fickle sail]

@rigid python Literally all I got there was a crappy green cape worse than one I found off of a grem lol

[jolly vessel]

I farmed a spot near hammers rest and got 3 upgrades to my gear the other day

[rigid python]

i was farming the mobs at the back area lvl 13 goblins

[topaz furnace]

so, when is the next wipe?

[jolly vessel]

I'm always finding nice gear. Sometimes I cant use it because I'm a summoner and I can't use phys gear but I've dropped decent gear for my level a lot.

[scenic crown]

Despite being in Alpha 2, the game is already at a playable level, and in my opinion, among the best MMOs available today. I can't imagine the magnitude of its success if they continue on this path, constantly refining the game.

[fickle sail]

The combat is great, which is the most important thing. I like the world too. My only issue with the game is that progression once you hit around level 8ish seems to stagnate with crafting being extremely time consuming and farming drops is tedious. I get that its an MMO and things are supposed to be a time sink but crafting a heroic bow and not making a dent in the progression feels bad

[tough temple]

please dude where do you got that quest?

[sweet frost]

If you’ve genuinely spent that much time farming oak and not seen anything def put in a ticket bc the poi might be bugged. The drop rates are def worse than ptr, but probably better than even 2.0 from my experience

[topaz furnace]

data doesnt support your statements

entry to the game got much better for steam release, thats right, but world is still pretty much empty. Lots of open space with nothing in it. Most people I talked to for this steam release lost interest continue playing after level 6.

[glacial jacinth]

i really dont know why they cant just take a more sandbox approach. gear doesnt last forever but you dont have to spend thousands of hours making legendary gear

[scenic crown]

I understand what you mean about how difficult it is to level up from a certain point onward, but this actually helps the gameplay. The logic isn't to level up immediately, but rather to enjoy the game while you play, level up, or explore. You'll gain experience little by little, without rushing, making the game a truly enjoyable challenge.

[fair inlet]

i'm getting DLSS crashes on an AMD card.. bro wat

[fickle sail]

@scenic crown I get where you are coming from but it feels awful to be level 10 and be unable to fight basic mobs at the same level as me due to my equipment being so garbage

[peak temple]

the hawks fcking dive your ass now literally

[fair inlet]

subraine hawks always been a thing

[tough temple]

guys when you procesing or craft something , will you character be boud to that craft? i mean can i go grinding or exping meanwhile?

[scenic crown]

They need Throne Liberty. This game is in alpha and is certainly doing very well. Naturally, there are still many things missing that will be added and corrected over time, which is normal for a game in development.

[topaz furnace]

I really dont like how zones are not for certain levels. I liked to quest in one zone, and then moving to the next one with no idea whats there. Now you are level 5 and there are level 15 mobs in zone where you started...dying to that mob is uninstall moment

[peak temple]

shiet man, they trained them to be giga annoying then

[frozen fox]

woah i got eastern hemlock heroic grade back to back on different trees, gimme more of that steven

[queen sphinx]

Best place for cleric drops I'm kvl 16 but still have all initiate gear lol

[scenic crown]

What I have noticed a lot is the changes they have made to the nights; it's true, they look very dark now. Before, they were impressive, full of stars with good lighting and colorful glows.

[deep kernel]

wth is this

[drowsy spear]

what is sawdust used for??

[round epoch]

What is a good low glint farm. I'm not talking about sweaty 50g/hr I mean like maybe 1 or 2

[frozen fox]

the birds for me have been ok

[topaz furnace]

they need to move away from losing mats on death and that kind of ideas...

[queen sphinx]

Oakbane got loads of glint

[round epoch]

No way man. Just farmed from 8-13 there and got 1 glint drop

[lapis seal]

from where i got the deathwhisper cap?

[static merlin]

AOC is geting beter and beter every year 😄

[queen sphinx]

What?? Yesterday there for like 3 hours finished with about 1 g 70 silver

[orchid nexus]

Game is dead

[static merlin]

haha

[scenic crown]

I think the penalty for losing items upon death should be a bit more limited and only apply to PvP. Nothing should be dropped if you die normally or while fighting a boss or other enemy. At the very least, they should allow players to carry an additional bag with a secure storage space for 20 items.

[frozen fox]

i like this idea

[static merlin]

you change your mind in feve years

[lapis seal]

efrom where i got the deathwhisper cap?

[round epoch]

No.

[orchid nexus]

Only a few years before ashes gets good guys

Poggers

[trim viper]

How to solve this problem? / Как решить эту проблему?

[round epoch]

Having loss is fundamental in an MMORPG, if you don't lose anything when you die to mobs there is no risk in dying, without risk to dying the world ceases to have meaningful engagement, you need to pick and choose when to stay at a spawn or leave, pick a boss fight and risk dying and lose glint? Or go home. These systems create a dynamic and fluid world.

Risk in pvp creates meaning and value. You can be ganked for your glint. So travel safely, bank often. If this goes away players have no reason to be engaged with PvE everything becomes meaningless

[topaz furnace]

no? and who will be playing this game? Sweaty pvpers? all 5000 of them?...If you think people with job want to spend their daily hour of gaming on farming and then losing the goods..you are delusional.

[round epoch]

How are you losing anything?

[scenic crown]

100% 👍

[round epoch]

I work 60 hours a week, I have played full loot games my whole life, this game has a very tame and well thought-out loot system, if you are "losing" items you are not careful in your PvE engagements. This is my exact point. You NEED to be engaged to make sure you live.

Take away loss and everyone is a drone

[topaz furnace]

for a few...while most players dont want to lose glint or get exp penalty.

[round epoch]

Exactly! So choose your engagements wisely

Plan escape routes, invest in healing potions. Discuss strategies with your group

Have you been actually full on PvPed? As in a corrupted player attacked you?

[topaz furnace]

congratulations, you are extremly small minority of players. And why the hell would you work 60 hours? Are u from USA?

[rotund knoll]

People like to complain about XP Debt and item loss.

But it still gives incentive for players to get better

[scenic crown]

Even if you die at the end, you don't lose everything. So that's more than fine. But it wouldn't hurt to create a way or a special mission to unlock a special space where you can safely store at least four items.

[round epoch]

I like OT, my work is fun. Let's discuss games not personal lives

[topaz furnace]

no it doesnt..it makes people leave..or never play the game.

[rotund knoll]

Then don't play tank

[round epoch]

@scenic crown more often than not you have 1 or two items of value, having a safe slot just seems... pointless? Like risk without the real risk. Again it devalues the world

[round epoch]

What are you going off of when you say it makes people leave? Because if you die to pvp and you have several glints on you, let's say 6 stacks of 10 lesser glint. You hardly loose any when you die

This isn't a FULL loot games. The looting system is heavily favored for the casual players while still creating a world that is exciting

Now let's say I gank you, I go corrupted. I lose items. Actual hard to get hours invested items.

Risk vs reward

[rotund knoll]

"People will leave"

ZERG guilds, continue to have 200 to 300 players

[topaz furnace]

point is..average MMO player is not interested in PVP, he doesnt want his play session to be ruined by losing anything. If you have 1 hour to play, you want to progress and not be stressed about "escape routes"...Ofc there are ppl that like that stuff, but Ashes needs a lot of players for its systems to work...you cant make game for very small section of MMO players.

[dapper gyro]

Part of the loss philosophy in this game is that it incentivizes you to make regular trips to town to bank/repair. If you removed the PvE loss on death, some of these POIs would be farmed longer than they already are

[topaz furnace]

and thats pretty bad system too. You think people want to spend their time by running to the bank and back? 😄 😄 😄

[round epoch]

Here is where you're confused the systems are catering to the vast majority of players by allowing the minority who enjoys full loot games to still have some form of risk and reward. And unfortunately

Not all games are made for all people I would argue that you are in fact in the vast minority of players who feel the way you do
And if this isn't your game. Please don't try and change systems that the vast majority like

[topaz lynx]

This guy took the job of guarding the gate way too seriously.
He was like: "To guard the gate you must become one with the gate"

[frozen fox]

what are the little dollar things under the gold? Are they of any importance

[rotund knoll]

They have the option to get good loot from enemies 9 levels below them. They can choose to play it safe.

Risk vs Reward

[topaz furnace]

Iam not confused...data clearly shows people are not interested in forced pvp, losing items, exp penalty etc.

[queen sphinx]

Thats what u use to buy stuff from settlement vendor in mayoral hall

[round epoch]

This MMO is ment to be a breathing world not a theme park ride like wow

[frozen fox]

thanks (:

[rotund knoll]

Another player wanting the Hand Holding experience

[topaz furnace]

This mmo is ment to have players...if you make systems that are annoying and unplesant for majority of mmo players, this game will die very quickly

[round epoch]

It's okay if this game isn't for you

Unfortunately, the dev team have been adamant on their vision for years. And hundreds of thousands of people bought the steam launch for that vision

[topaz lynx]

You never played ArcheAge and it shows

[topaz furnace]

and where is AA now? 😄 😄 😄 dead

[round epoch]

The systems are only annoying and unpleasant if you ignorantly engage in content that you are either not ready for or prepared for, I am now level 13 and I have died twice, and both times it was my fault

[hallow snow]

Guys is Bard supposed to wear Light or Medium armour?

[rotund knoll]

Now. . . Pay to Win

[topaz lynx]

But not because of the content. It was because of bad monetization decisions

[rotund knoll]

Whatever you want to wear

[round epoch]

So how come when our archeage gets private servers it reverts back to its original state, pvp, loot system

You are very incorrect on the topics of why games similar to AA died.

The game died when they catered to people like yourself who ruined the vision

[topaz furnace]

for all 100 players? 😄

[stoic breach]

AA was great but it was built with monitization in mind so it was bad

[rotund knoll]

Oldschool Runescape is very alive and well. Full of PvP.

Runescape 3 is dead

[topaz lynx]

Agree wholeheartedly

[round epoch]

They created pay to win, they added restrictions to pvp

They ruined the game and it died
Almost every game is similar

There is a reason why games like Arc raiders, tarkov, Albion online, RuneScape all continue to be some of the most popular games in the world

[stoic breach]

combat perfect, content perfect, money bad, designed for p2w so new player have to play for like a year just for a chance to do damage

[cunning vale]

Guys please, yes this alpha has it flaws...and no, AoC never were meant to be a pvp game...I was backer at first sight and the marketing say that it will be a game for everyone who loves mmos..not only pvp players...so calm down...this is an alpha and not a ready game....there will be a lot of changes in the future...

[topaz furnace]

bro..noone of those games are "the most popular games"

[chrome wasp]

https://tenor.com/view/copium-gif-766857345458198993

[rotund knoll]

"People will leave, and that is fine! We will be here and they can come back at any time. This game is not going to be for everyone. This is a true PvX game"

[topaz furnace]

saying Tarkov is one of the most popular games...like what? 😄

[cunning vale]

Yes its for everyone...so calm down.

[round epoch]

From the short conversation we have had, you lack the ability to speak objectively and with facts, you clearly are not the audience this game is tailored for and that offends you.

Perhaps try and get a refund? Maybe go and play those massively successful MMORPGS that have the systems you are advocating for you know games like.....oh wait...
Isn't it weird how so many games are breaking away from the thematic MMO structure?

Go play...WoW?

[round epoch]

Go on twitch, consult steam charts. The data is there for you to consume

[frozen fox]

i love this damn picture so much

[rotund knoll]

The place you are looking for is over there 👉 https://discord.com/channels/256164085366915072/1365494991509782558

[fleet maple]

bout to bust

[cunning vale]

Could u pls discuss a little bit less aggressiv pls...AoC is meant for every kind of mmo player.

[topaz lynx]

Tarkov has been around for like 10 years and just recently there was a guy who escaped from Tarkov. Meaning he finished the game. The first one to have done....after 10 freaking years. That's not a good game IMHO

[topaz furnace]

no my dude...you refuse to see facts...fact is, Ashes has to cater to WoW players...where would it get players from? You want Ashes to be for very small part of MMO players..who is going to pay its bills?...

[crimson heart]

does anyone know how to make LMB + RMB stop moving forward autowalk?

[round epoch]

If you only escape as an update 1.0, which got released like a couple weeks ago

[topaz lynx]

The only way to escape is to stop playing LOL

[topaz furnace]

you really must be joking...Tarkov is not even in top 100 of the most popular games.

[cunning vale]

Guys stop it...pls. This is not the Tarkov Channel...or other games channel.

[dawn ledge]

What data?

[topaz furnace]

data like how the most succesfull mmos look like and how pvp mmos died...that kind of data

[dawn ledge]

So your subjective oppinion. Please dont try to force it into a fact.

[round epoch]

Ultima online, EverQuest, Shadow Bane, asheron's call, lineage. Darkfall.

There are unlimited number of players who used to play games who had passion, games of evolving worlds, games with soul. Games where community mattered, legends where born, games that inspired generations of developers

Those are the players

[topaz furnace]

all failed games..

[round epoch]

Did they fail or did they die because of the time they were in?

If we're talking commercially almost every single one of those games is success.

[topaz furnace]

you clearly dont understand how much it cost to make Ashes and run servers..so you dont see how many players must be playing this game in order to stay alive...

[round epoch]

Isn't that the entire point of technology getting better? Evolving games into the future?

Saying something failed because it died is insanely ignorant, time goes on, things get old

And yet those games still inspire so many people to this day.

They inspired the Creative director of this game.
Who without those games we wouldn't be here talking

[topaz furnace]

did you really list Shadow Bane with all 700 players at peak?

[cunning vale]

One thing is clear, MMOs need Players to survive...so let them add content for all kind of players.....discussing statistics isnt helpful. Arguing about each other doesnt help too. Helping each other in game and here helps a lot!

[rotund knoll]

You can bring the horse to water.
You can't make the horse drink it.
Ashes already being a huge success kinda tells you that it's fine.

[topaz furnace]

how is it huge success?

[rotund knoll]

Servers are full

[cunning vale]

I am patching atm.

[topaz furnace]

30k peak players is nothing

[rotund knoll]

Compare

[topaz furnace]

new world

[rotund knoll]

4 years ago. Not even 1 million people

[mortal cobalt]

Guys just accept that at best Ashes will be another EvE, at worst another Mortal Online 2

[topaz furnace]

so 30k is succesfull but 913k is "not even 1 mil" thats some logic you got there

[mortal cobalt]

It aint goin viral, that ship has sailed. It will be a fine mmo for its little piece of the pie

[cunning vale]

The best we can do, is to help unsatisfied people write down good ideas in the feedback-channel.

[rotund knoll]

@topaz furnace https://discord.com/channels/256164085366915072/1365494991509782558

You can cry over there

[drowsy spear]

pelune is laggy already lol

[topaz furnace]

you run out of arguments?

[rotund knoll]

Exactly.
Using same logic as you.

[cunning vale]

No cry...everyone should help to calm down and to tell the devs our good ideas.

[rotund knoll]

Do you play the game? Or just get XP debt?

[round epoch]

What? Shadowbane is a 23 year old game from 2003 that didn't launch on steam, nor was steam player count statistics a thing for many years later, what you are screenshoting is something released many many many years later lol

[drowsy spear]

doesn't usually get this bad until 5pm our time, and it's not even midday lol

[somber umbra]

Game stuttering from like 166 fps down to stuck back up to 166 etc., like 1-2 mins, and then crashes.

First time experiencing this in days -any idea why?

[topaz furnace]

New World had 913k peak players and died 4 years later...and you call 30k success for Ashes... = you are biased AF, full of copium

[rugged pollen]

hello i want to ask

[rotund knoll]

still in development. Vs. 4 years

[cunning vale]

Just be fine to ask everything. 🙂

[lapis seal]

from where i got the deathwhisper cap?

[rugged pollen]

why i cant repair this?

[topaz furnace]

yes its still in development..nobody is saying otherwise...but its not succesful, not yet...maybe with 500k peak, but certainly not with 30k

[rotund knoll]

I just keep em going.
Part of me being a tank is pulling aggro.
I don't care where the aggro starts ☺️

[cunning vale]

Do u have enough coins?

[rugged pollen]

ofc

[rotund knoll]

Bugged item
I reported it as well

[somber umbra]

I do have an item to I can only repair it up to 18/19, getting an error message when trying to get it 19/19

[cunning vale]

As curls said, its bugged then 🙂

[rugged pollen]

where we can report those things?

[rotund knoll]

https://discord.com/channels/256164085366915072/1449761074453807184

[topaz furnace]

I play it for an hour once a month...just to see whats new. I value my gaming time, not gonna waste it on unfinished game. Gonna play Ashes when its ready.

[rugged pollen]

thanks guys

[rotund knoll]

That is good 👍
Sorry for wasting your time.

[topaz furnace]

Iam at work, so I dont mind 😛

[rotund knoll]

That's the spirit!