Rimargarrl Breath is disabling guardian shield

[small veldt]

its acting like a stun, when it should act like a freeze ie its takign away abilities that it shouldnt
for example,
if you stun a taunt minion it loses taunt. if you stun a guardian it loses damage split. if you stun a divine, it retains divine (if procced)
if you freeze a taunt minon it retains taunt. if you freeze a guardian, it should retain damage split. if you freeze a divine, it retains divine

however rimargaarl breath is freezing guardian and making it lose its damage split

[spring nacelle]

intended, frozen doesn't remove status effects but it does remove minions' abilities; succubus/incubus don't jump when frozen, for example

[small veldt]

in this case, guardian shield definitely feels like it should be a status effect imo since its a passive aoe similiar to taunt. It seems the complete opposite of an active effect like jumping.

[frigid thorn]

I disagree, stuns have always stopped it, and it is good game design to have that as a counter 😄

[small veldt]

stuns would remain as a counter with this change. freeze would not. Just like taunt

[frigid thorn]

That would be horribly inconsistent with everything else

[small veldt]

what examples of everything else do you have in mind?
in my perspective it seems to align it as more consistent.

[frigid thorn]

Every other ability that is stunnable also gets stopped by frozen afaik

[small veldt]

taunt? divine shield? other passive status effects?

[frigid thorn]

Taunt is a (de) buff, not an ability

If anything I would agree taunt should also stop with frozen, as it is stunnable 😂

But that would be a tad annoying because of our lovely stone yeeting master

[small veldt]

right but thats not how the game currently is. current taunt as you state is a "buff" yet it gets turned off by stun and not turned off by frozen

and this is creating an inconsistency with guardian shield, because it presents itself to the player more as a "aoe buff" than an actual activated ability that gets turned on and off
i.e. it is persistent

an ability is more like burning fist triggering holy fire. or incubus nether step, or succubus blink. would you agree these abilities feel more like they have to be "activated" or "triggered" by the unit? like they are actively using their powers in response to something.

and do you agree that the AOE persistent damage reduction of guardian dosent really have a feeling of beign "triggered" or "activated" but rather its always on

[frigid thorn]

What is the interaction with leiliels shield and frozen?

[small veldt]

good question, not sure off the top of my head.
but intuitively, I feel stun should disable it and frozen should not, becuase its more of a passive effect thats occuring when your at 6+ mana.

[frigid thorn]

Same question with jolo

[small veldt]

same answer same response tbh I feel like this stuff is passive, but I dont know off the top. id have to go in and test it

[frigid thorn]

I disagree from a game design/balance perspective, damage reduction stacking would be a pain in the ass, I think frozen should behave like a stun

Which I think it does for everything that is coded like an ability, but taunt was coded as a buff so it's manually checking for stun 😂

[small veldt]

yea.. but the unit is completely immobile, and there are not many ways to self inflict freeze, aside from glens and frostberry. so there are plenty of downsides

[frigid thorn]

I would be fine with saying taunt does not stop with a stun, to really make it a buff, it always caused some strange interactions to have taunt suddenly be disabled/enabled 😂

[small veldt]

also not to mention some spells notably rimargaarl damage BEFORE applying the freeze, so no benefit from damage reduction there

[small veldt]

do you know how jolo and leilei interact with frozen by chance?

[frigid thorn]

I would not have asked if I was sure, I assume it is as if they are stunned, but someone will have to make sure 😅