Quantum Module Upgrades

[nova cloud]

I think its up to andreas whether he sees new items as needing to be grinded when they are made, and you deserve them when you go for them when they are made, or or artifacts to always ret-con anything they could have given, whether you went for them for the new tech or not

[junior patio]

Invalidating player's time investment in tech grinding each time a new module is added is definitely a great idea for a game about slow and permanent progression

[vital fulcrum]

A system whereby bps for a maxed module can get transferred to the next tech up (say at 10% rate) would fix this

So, laser turret maxed? 10 laser turret bps will add 1 cerb drone bps

[nova cloud]

It would be easier to not invalidate by retconning everything, both ideas can happen without invalidating permanent progress

[junior patio]

Ah, so we should lock the ability to not be screwed over by forced to grind all over again behind several years of grinding

[twilit sedge]

that feels complicated, make the excess bps tradeable🙄

[torpid panther]

So if I’m 100% finished with say combats I’ll get 1.4 prints per print I research? 😕

[opal ivy]

I did mention an additional slot for this research and wondered how it will work

[vital fulcrum]

Actually it would reduce research

[quartz swallow]

What if arts has no longer colours? If they are only based on lvl and you can choose the tech you want to get prints for once you research them, it could be a solution?

[vital fulcrum]

Because your pulse or drone squad would end up being fed by all the lower level modules

[opal ivy]

Or if its like QS fragments and you have to collect in order to use module idk lmao

[nova cloud]

Smth smth pre-dn or smth like that

I think?

[junior patio]

That's a great idea for modules that has already existed in the game, but were locked behind higher rs level, not new ones

[opal ivy]

Not like hydro used but to unlock i mean maybe idk spend qs frags to unlock idk mang I'm ham

[vital fulcrum]

If you are in a rush to never have to research another module why not just uninstall the game?

The whole point of quantum modules is to extend the life span of the game. It should be expected that a new research tree adds more research time?

[junior patio]

Pre-DN there were 3 types of artifacts and 5 tech colors

[torpid panther]

Well when Andreas answers me all will be revealed

[opal ivy]

https://tenor.com/view/yeet-yee-cowboy-dallas-cowboys-gif-27512215

lol had too

[twilit sedge]

this will be a good idea if you manage to write it down in an understandable way😆

[torpid panther]

I will in 4.5 years when Iv finished researching every mod

[vital fulcrum]

If that's the end goal then why play?

[opal ivy]

So collect 100 qs fragments. Unlocks dark laser. 100 more upgrades example ofc

[torpid panther]

What should my goals be?

[vital fulcrum]

It's a perpetual online game that is constantly updated

[opal ivy]

Uhhhhh love thy ham

[nova cloud]

Having fun is usually a nice one, but ik not everyone is for that, especially bls pulse users

[vital fulcrum]

I mean this would be like the guy who had unlocked every tech to level 12 pre Dark Nebula complain that dark nebula invalidated their effort

[opal ivy]

Max upgrade all modules?

Is end goal id assume

[vital fulcrum]

Dark nebula added content to the game

Quantum modules add content to the game

[twilit sedge]

as long as the QS fragments/arts/bluepronts are handled 100% separate from the current ones, im rolling with it

[opal ivy]

Keep talking dirty. Ham loves Dark Nebula content and the idea of QS content

[vital fulcrum]

If Andreas suddenly added an update that just increased the level 15 tech to 200k, then that is increasing the grind

[junior patio]

Except that DN was a massive update that chanched the entire game, and not just an introduction of a new module

[opal ivy]

I mean papá didn't scroll down so we dont know

[vital fulcrum]

But if he's adding extra content, then that's extra content, new permutations, new decisions in what you want to optimise

[opal ivy]

But it says bp?

Lmao

Back to the old grind

https://tenor.com/view/mining-pakistani-pakistani-miner-pakistani-mining-coal-gif-1265210761147612079

[twilit sedge]

i rather have the constant updates come in a way of new challanges and new system, not piling garbage on the existing one without any fix

*not garbage, faulty

[opal ivy]

I do wonder if these bps will be collect in qs now

[nova cloud]

^ this is the big point I feel makes a big problem in how andreas wants to approach the extended lifespan of the game

[vital fulcrum]

But we know very little about what's coming. The new quantum modules system is a fundamental change to the games mechanics, arguably as big as the one from oh HS to DN

We've never had modules that toggle between two states, branching research trees before

[nova cloud]

Honestly this is even bigger than dn for battleship mechanics imo

[opal ivy]

Hmm.... QS.. rs event.. maybe just maybe we defend planets from cerb portals and collect arts on a given timer(spawn) and defend corp star while trading these upgrades?.. maybe

[zinc cosmos]

made a thread for quantum module ideas

saw a few and they got buried instantly

#1478901753385713795

[crude grove]

Bs2 flexing with a 500000 credit upgrade
Nevermind

[opal ivy]

I wonder how we toggle the light/dark on ships because this is just upgrade info. Would it be in loadout option? Id assume

[nova fiber]

Well that was quite the convo. Ig I'll throw my two cents in.
I don't like the idea that once you grind for 100k in everything you're just... finished. Forever. No point in ever searching another art.
I also don't like that you would have to grind another 100k for each new mod, that feels completely ridiculous.
And I don't like the different BP caps, it makes the tech upgrade weirdly for new players, and it just feels awkward to have some tech with 40k BP cap just because it's new.
I do like the idea that maxed mods would each add 10% to all other research in that type. So yes, you would have to re-research some tech, but it would be significantly faster. Probably around 2x pace if everything else is maxed.

[vapid frigate]

What if some modules could get their older features back?
Like -
Dark Destiny - instant activation, but teleports anywhere in the system not just adjacent sectors

Dark impulse - Impulse + Delta shield behaviour but no damage...
Etc
It sounds cool to me
Also idk if this has been suggested here before...

[static dagger]

it is interesting that the original image in this post has a different planet artifact texture

I am guessing that the process of working on the artifact deposition with the quantum scanner led to a visual rework there.

[nova cloud]

The major problem is there has to be a stat that levels up directly because you leveled up the variant, as is the theme of hades star upgrading

You cant js slap old features on it and call it a day

It needs to add smth new and smth upgradable

[opal ivy]

I said this haha its not the same as any star?

Also are we changing the artifact display on planets to little round dots now.. I mean looks alright ig

I do like how red star stays base upgrade QS is for the new stuff that makes it less confusing

Kinda lol I think no matter what we will have confusion with dark/light modules at first but.. we love learning curves

[vapid frigate]

Ahh... Fair enough.

[craggy barn]

🤡

[zinc cosmos]

?

[craggy barn]

Nothing important. I just remind to him occasionally that he is a big clown.

[twilit sedge]

and youre great at expressing you feelings and intentions

[opal ivy]

Yeah you don't like more content ok...

[static dagger]

If people aren't just trolling, I don't get the pointless toxicity. Grow up.

[opal ivy]

Well I mean feed back is feed back good or bad.. I think thats why these threads are a thing

I mean even if someone literally just started playing they could have a good idea or bad feed back that is good feed back 🤔 lol

I just wanna see another idea or the light toggle

Like from Andreas

[static dagger]

The former post is not feedback

It's just a clown emoji, followed by a message specifying that it is irrelevant and purely for insult.

[opal ivy]

The game is a grind.. you play it for a grind. Maybe this person doesnt like that but enjoys the gameplay.. this adds more gameplay 😂

[digital cradle]

I’ve been playing for 6.5 years. I’m rs11. A little over 18M cap. I play with a group that does nightly dark runs for arts, and they are both very slightly ahead of me but both within 1M cap of me. We each have 2 “focus colors” at any given time and divide our arts accordingly after a fully clearing every night with AB14 on all arts pulled. I am currently doing Transport and Miner research, and will hit max bp’s in both categories in a couple months. If I finally have 100K in both, and 7 years of investment into artifact research that got me there, and then a month later a brand new level 4 mod drops in each category with 0 prints, it will require 9 additional months EACH to max out those mods. That feels extremely bad. During the same 1.5 years, a brand new player diverts 0 additional research days to access the early levels of those same mods that will come in line with their natural progression. That makes it feel extra bad, to backtrack and repeat progress. Players are concerned about that that specific scenario.

Having said that, I also don’t think getting a new maxed out mod for zero effort makes sense. Sure, there is still the credit and time investment that upgrading from unlock to max would take. And that does still requires some effort. But I think a reasonable compromise would be giving enough blueprints to reach 1 step lower than the current max blueprints held. Starting at 50K and needing to repeat the last 50K feels way less bad than grinding from 0, but still requires effort to get the max benefit, without having to adjust quantities for brand new player progression so they aren’t warping straight to higher levels while a 6-7 year veteran has to decide if they are going to put combat and drones away on a back burner again, after they’ve already waited years to get to the point where they can focus just on that. Me? In a couple months I’ll skip new yellow/purple mods that come with 0 prints for potentially years. Cause they don’t fit in my plan.

[junior patio]

If you really wanted those modules, you would push your plans back each time a new module was introduced

Just think how much more game longevity there will be, if you had to make the new number go up for 0 and not 50k. That would be 100% more new content per content

[main folio]

Has the idea been passed around that blueprints for new modules could be based on RS scanner level?

With DN, a lot of the modules have been sync'd to where progression it's nearly identical. What if RS12 players would immediately get say 50K or 75K blueprints, still requiring research to max it out, but then lower levels get less and less BPs.

Like previously mentioned, lower level players already are researching the artifact category, and they are limited by credit capacity anyway, would it really be that harmful if end game players were not forced to get 100K blueprints every time a new module was released? Understand that new modules is new content for end game players, but maybe there are plans to entice end game players to stick around for other reasons besides blueprints?

[junior patio]

New modules will make little to no new content, if there aren't enough fun ways of using them

[main folio]

Exactly. So is there really any benefit to punishing end game players for having to redo 2000 artifacts every time a new module is released? I can see some people saying, "higher end game players will just be that much further ahead" but I challenge that with, "what's 1 more module and why does it matter when credit capacity is a limiting factor as well?"

Maybe I am biased as an RS11 player 😂

[junior patio]

Because that would be free stuff. And free stuff is bad

[main folio]

It's not free. They still have to spend the credits and time to research. I'm just saying to give them blueprints

[junior patio]

I know. I'm just making a mockery of an opinion I don't like

[torpid panther]

Not only is it not free prints, but we have already earned them! I don’t really like giving prints based solely on rs level. I think it should be based on what we have already researched. If I have 50k rs11 drone prints surly I also should have 50k rs9 prints right?

[junior patio]

Absolutely not. You need put in work for new content, because that new content didn't exist when you were putting in work for old content

[zinc cosmos]

youve really got to make it clearer when youre mocking an argument or actually saying that

[junior patio]

Are they not absurd and stupid enough?

[winter hill]

No

[nova fiber]

Is there not a suggestion or bug report for the whole BP thing? I remember seeing one, but I can't seem to be able to find it.

[wise thorn]

If it is a new technology the blueprints would not be the same blueprint as the old modules, as they differ in complexity, function, and format.

You will have to research again.

[torpid panther]

Or, we’ll just ignore them and all that dev work will be for nothing. Why bother adding new content many of us openly say we won’t use

[opal ivy]

I said qs fragments but didn't really make a suggestion

bc idk what that means just kinda got that from bls fragments lmao

Gain 100 upgrade dark laser for 100 lmao

Basically same thing

[nova fiber]

Hmm? No, I mean having blueprints be given for new mods. Like what mhga was talking about. I definitely read a suggestion about that.

[opal ivy]

Yeah but these are like effects of existing modules not new modules

Your basically prestiging the module imo

But not restarting

[nova fiber]

Ye, I was just gonna mention it because that's where the conversation turned to

[opal ivy]

It says instead of introducing new modules do this lol

Which I get because it adds like more depth to modules

But.. what gives the bps?

[nova fiber]

I know, but when I was reading those hours of messages about it, it definitely turned to new modules.

Good popcorn reading xD

[opal ivy]

Obviously gameplay within qs unlocks the quantum upgrades but is it just more arts? Id assume lol

[nova fiber]

I was thinking it's a boost thing you can put on your artifacts from QS, not necessarily new arts

[opal ivy]

Well its not said thats my question lol

[digital cradle]

While this sounds reasonable on the surface, it would create wild imbalances for some players (like myself) that have pointedly ignored certain colors. I am rs11 now. I haven’t researched any drone arts since I was running d7’s. Once I got repair drone to 10K I stopped because I knew I would eventually hammer the rest out in the very late game. If I was given 50K prints for a new rs10 mod because I am rs11, it would be 50K more prints than I have in Chain Ray Turret (which only has 126 prints). That is why people keep suggesting the number should be based on previous investment in some manner or another.

[main folio]

I can see that perspective. That's a valid comparison then. Grant the BPs equal to the BPs already researched for a similar module artifact level.

[wise thorn]

I call it the Blueprints Will Not Transfer over to Quantum Stars Decree

[torpid panther]

I’d rather the prints from qs be gathered and researched completely separately from normal arts and ideally not be in the same research station or at least require very little research time. We can limit print gain by how rare these new arts will be rather than clogging up the station we have currently

[marble plinth]

Make qs bp only optainable through trading

[pulsar jetty]

If every mod should get "branching upgrades", that means at least 2 options per module and thus, 120 variations to come up with, implement and balance. Under those circumstances, I wouldn't expect a release date in the immediate future.

Wouldn't it be easier to have a module that boosts other modules? E.g. weapon booster increases one stat of a weapon, be it range, cooldown/target lock time or damage.

Such a booster mod could be made unusable in bs which, let's face it, are already hopelessly beyond any semblance of balance.

[nova fiber]

He's only planning on giving a couple mods quantum upgrades in 2026.1, and then working on slowly filling out the rest

[pulsar jetty]

Which would be even more of a problem. If I can choose between Dark Laser, that's not variety. As those upgrades will take weeks to get to usable levels, it won't feel any different than now- ever, now and then one new thing or two.

[nova cloud]

yes it would be "easier" to have a module booster mod, but this isnt about "easy" but innovation

[nova cloud]

it doesnt seem to be just 1 or 2, as dark RL and light crunch we're already hinted. I imagine atleast light laser will be added too

[opal ivy]

It seams to be light/dark effects of existing modules. No new modules just new little effects to the modules.. so my blast cluster drone still stands 😁

Also.. I'm thinking it will be different from just collect artifact and research the upgrade.. Hopefully

We have rs already for that so why use the same game play?

[junior patio]

A better question: how many of those branching paths are actually going to be a side grade, and not a better version of a module, locked behind a 2nd set of blueprints?

[pulsar jetty]

Ok, so how can a Laser, which is (and this is in the name already) amplified light, be dark?

Also, if you just add a dark version, the previous one becomes the light one. Very concentrated branching.

Also, gameplay-wise: if I had a dark laser, a light laser and a slightly darker than medium laser... how would I select them while playing?

[digital cradle]

Thematically this could make sense due to the concept of superposition within quantum mechanics where our research station and module research exist in multiple states at the same time… Lol. And if that were the case, I actually wouldn’t even mind someone else’s suggestion about it resetting each “season”. That way we can try something new the next time around and not be locked in on an uneducated decision made with consequences that might otherwise last for years.

[opal ivy]

I will grind it

It would be worth having cluster blast drones 😂

Idk bout dark laser but if they didn't have alpha it would be eh ok

So how can you make players use dark mirror or dark omega over alpha. Even impulse idk lmao seams still like alpha wins

[zinc cosmos]

alpha just needs a duration nerf tbh

its too long

[opal ivy]

Or mods to break it

Or give it a durability limit meaning x2 leap breaks the shield then damage after that is hull

Ws obviously bls would need a tweak compared to ws

Like bls 2 players gang up on 1 alpha use aoe damage to break it ig but bls is solo pvp

Alpha isn't blast shield so why should it absorb so much blast damáge. Pve not to much blast damáge so it doesnt matter much

Am I wrong? Or am I wrong?

I'm always wrong 😪

[torpid panther]

Fs should get some qs mod upgrades.

[opal ivy]

Dark cataclysm noooo😂

Duplicates all rockets

[junior patio]

Won't change much, unless it will be reduced to less than 9s in bls and less than 3h in ws. But then people will start screaming that devs ruined everything

[zinc cosmos]

mm

any nerf to any meta mod will

[junior patio]

The most cancerous things about alpha shield is that it can fully cover the activation delay of veng in bls, and be sitting on a planet unbothered for 5+ fucking hours after teleporting into your barrier from across half of the map in ws. So unless the miracle solution to everything decreases alpha's effect duration to the point where neither of 2 scenarios mentioned above are possible, nothing will change

[opal ivy]

Dark shields give alpha for limited duration 😂

[zinc cosmos]

if you think about it, emp is very similar in effect (no damage taken, but only from direct damage), yet has a much shorter duration

so why dont we...

yk

[junior patio]

Emp has a limited effect range, while alpha shield can ignore all damage from any distance

[zinc cosmos]

exactly, so why is it that emp has worse duration?

if it does less?

[junior patio]

[zinc cosmos]

it doesnt block boom, limited range, and doesnt allow you to teleport into barrier

imo, alpha should be treated as a kind of alternative to emp in that it blocks more, but lasts for less time

[junior patio]

Emp is not a shield module, so it's not competing with other modules for a singular slot

[zinc cosmos]

hmm

alpha does so much it doesnt even have competition

at least with combat theres many things to choose from, many at least decent modules

shield is kinda just regen or alpha and the rare blast or omega

[torpid panther]

Alpha is the only way to land an attack on the enemy hydro/ planets without instantly dying

[zinc cosmos]

thats a barrier thing

[junior patio]

This is why I'm really skeptical about branching module paths. The current module roster is heavily imbalanced, and is full a questionable balancing choices. And the process of giving almost every module 2 alternative versions will definitely be accompanied by even more nonsensical balance decisions

[zinc cosmos]

ill make a thread for alpha dura nerf

[junior patio]

I think the best way to balance alpha shield is to make it's damage resistance gradually go up to 100%, instead of being an on-demand invincibility

[torpid panther]

Not really. Even without barrier damage all shields but alpha would die in under a half hour. Cr supporting or wamp boosting eats a ship in no time.

I’m not saying alpha isn’t an issue but I think the fix is improving all the other shields

[zinc cosmos]

#1479643235927462010

[zinc cosmos]

yeah ws needs a turtling balance

[junior patio]

Planets are the main objective of ws, so jumping head first into the main point of interest of your opponent should result in a quick death

[torpid panther]

How else would you fight it? Coming in with a tele of some sort leads to barrier bond lock. Both methods are untenable

[junior patio]

Attacking was made so easy, that the only defense option is turtling on the closest planet to your jump gate

[zinc cosmos]

good point

theres a balance ig

[torpid panther]

I disagree with this. Moving out of the way is so easy most attacks do nothing but stall an hour longer than alpha shield lasts

[junior patio]

It shouldn't be impenetrable, but it definitely should require more strategy, than "jump in barrier and wait"

[torpid panther]

I don’t disagree with that

[junior patio]

Stalling is the point of those attacks

[torpid panther]

But you won’t stall enough to totally stop loading. Not enough assets for that. Or at least I haven’t seen it

And if you use multiple planets harder to be stalled

[junior patio]

You don't need to stall your opponents fully until supernova. You need to stall them just enough to collect more relics than them

[zinc cosmos]

goes both ways

[junior patio]

That's why p1 forts were the meta. The closer you are to your gate, the less time it will take your relics to get to safety. So the ability to stall drops in efficiency significantly, because you need to stall for longer, and you also take more time to get in range to tp onto the planet

[torpid panther]

Relic cost increase changed that

[junior patio]

Not really, since your oponent also gets less relics

But it did encourage more people to try p5 near the edges of the system

[torpid panther]

Well I haven’t seen a p1 fort since I started Ws again 4.5 months ago

[junior patio]

Depends on our definitions of a p1 fort

[torpid panther]

I’d consider it getting most of their points from p1

[junior patio]

Mine is: p1 sector with all of the genriched hydro, where the majority of relics is made, unless the team got enough momentum to lock their opponent on their side of the map, unlocking p5s near the center of the system

[torpid panther]

I don’t think hydro generation area matters for this. Using a p5 or 10 simply makes way more hydro than you’d ever use.

[junior patio]

It is a sector, where mining ships stay for a majority of ws. Relic cost changes made destroying hydrogen a bit less valuable, but removing up to 3 blast drones for 18 hours is quite nice

[marble plinth]

I have an idea

what about

the qs bp

is NFT

god am I smart

🧠

[bronze skiff]

😍 AWSOME!!! , this is exactly the type of content i was quietly hoping for

[opal ivy]

Once dark hydro rocket is in range of attack it breaks apart quadrupling its missles lol

Could break into 3 smaller ones the one locked target is stayed targeted

[nova fiber]

Lol, you really like cluster bombing, don't you xD

[junior patio]

Sweet, more modules that require barrier or mbatt

[static dagger]

dark hydrogen upload - it works with hydrogen replicator so that it is remotely usable in any aspect

[wheat gull]

light hydrogen upload - it takes hydrogen off a planet and loads it back onto your miner

would be a fire mod ngl

[zinc cosmos]

bank

[twilit sedge]

heh, Hrep bonus stacking. infinite hydro glitch

[torpid panther]

Rather than “dark laser” or “light battery” I think these should all get real names

[wheat gull]

infinite hydro glitch in so much as genesis and enrich are "infinite hydro glitches"

[twilit sedge]

exactly. if considered when implenting, its a fun mechanic, otherwise a no-no

[torpid panther]

Don’t most teams already have infinite hydro? These new variants would still be subject to cooldowns so can only be used so many times a match

[static dagger]

#1211022681600823336 message

Hydro upload has to be the most forgotten module

The only mod specific rework suggestion higher on #community-dashboard is for fortify, which is fair

I would love to see the back-end statistics on module upgrade bias

if stratified by RS level, I think hupload is a serious contender for last place

maybe it needs a rework, maybe a quantum star upgrade is a valid way to redeem early game mods that fall off

[torpid panther]

I use upload every week in its current configuration. Needs to maintain the unlimited range but closest planet utility

[opal ivy]

Stealing hydro off someone's ws planet would be wild 😂

[wheat gull]

Eggsactly. Imagine stealing enough hydro to generate negative relics

[opal ivy]

New strat unlocked 😂

Now give me dark bond to pull your miner back to me

[calm python]

Imagine triggering and integer overflow with that

No need to mine anymore

[wheat gull]

Light Bond: you can bond asteroids, planets and Stars.

[opal ivy]

Maybe

[zinc cosmos]

erm akshually that would be an underflow if you go from -(2^bits) to 2^bits -1

or something

[calm python]

Erm akshually it's called an integer overflow in both cases 👆 🤓

according to wikipedia

[zinc cosmos]

oh

ahhh an underflow is getting closer to zero in floating point

mb

[coral quarry]

Light laser maximizes the brightness on the target players screen, blinding them IRL

[wise thorn]

You have a lot to study @zinc cosmos

[tidal lagoon]

I wanna bond a star and weaponize it...

[mellow geyser]

Any details on what a quantum star is or what year we get a preview

Seems hype, but I've been hurt before. 😢

[junior patio]

Nope. Still nothing about the gameplay, only details and rewards

[torpid panther]

The rewards are the gameplay

[quartz swallow]

Is green...and Quantum

[mellow geyser]

A scholar, and a gentlemen.

[nova cloud]

Dark battery: no TSD. That's it.

[nova fiber]

That's light battery. Dark battery has 10 second tsd 💀. And just one-taps everything.

[nova cloud]

thats just dart

[opal ivy]

Battery quadruples its current attack for 5s

[twilit sedge]

no point in doing anything with it until TSD is removed (or at least way faster)

all of this "sidegrade" is useless if its put on a mod that is useless right now. and the way these sidegrades are to implemented, they wont make a bad mod suddenly great

[opal ivy]

Dark battery allows you to select target like CR support.. wider target selection range, once in range it attacks.. either that or it lowers tsd for limited duration

Same for barrage

I feel like doing more damage or something else is kinda pointless

[twilit sedge]

so you repaint the "lower TSD" suggestion into dark battery and add some extra stuff that will make it more complicated but not that much usefull compared to MassB

[opal ivy]

Yeah that balances the mod out lmao

What else do you do for dark battery or barrage?

Can't really do multi target thats not a single target weapon

Could increase range in general ig

I got it.. it fires 1 tick for each target in range.. swapping targets per tick 🤣

[twilit sedge]

if we follow the line of tought of side grading (not make it better, "just" an alternative). I would see reason to temporarily change its mechanic. like ir stictly targety projectiles for a little time

same like dark crunch-> it takes less hydro frim a single crunch one way or the other. (multi asteroid targets etc(

[opal ivy]

True ig if you select target it does same thing?

You just don't want the extra step

Even then tho.. drs bombers have 2 rockets so you'll still get hit with tsd but

[twilit sedge]

so instead of relying on the existing game mechanic (auto targeting based on a ruleset), lets do something else that just adds more clicking> when I have an auto win mod in MassB

?

lets make battery usefull, but most of these ideas a wont make it a good option compared to DualLaser, MassB, or anyrhing currently used

[opal ivy]

I mean there is no way to make people not use mass batt

Unless you lowered damage. Then what are you gonna use 😂

[twilit sedge]

true, but thats because you need to think less then with the alternatives. but this doesnt mean the other mods should be ignored.

[opal ivy]

If you use single target. Need CRT or alpha drones I feel like thats only way to make it worth anything in bls. Drs kinda bonkers lol

Need mass batt drone that does lower dps than mass batt lmao

Like anti projectile drone at least

Ig that is laser turret right?

Laser turret is trash lmao

Make dark laser turret turn to mass batt

[twilit sedge]

thats where said sidegrades can come in XD.

[opal ivy]

Imagine laser turret being, laser, mass batt, or x3 rocket drone 🤣

I would always use laser turret if it had these 3 alternatives

Same setup time and lifetime

Id take pulse over rocket drone actually

Lower damage pulse ofc

[twilit sedge]

i mean... the whole point of battery is that you get a high DPS weapon that you dont need to ramp up and smart around. its "only" weakness is the projectile and all that cerb spamming.

[opal ivy]

I need to see what Andreas plans for dark battery next

[twilit sedge]

-> if there way a way to temporarily swap up its function, to deal with the annoying spammingy it can be a good alternative

[opal ivy]

He said next update will feature more modules? I think

Hopefully dark battery

[twilit sedge]

-# ...i dont want to, but i like to be surprised!

[opal ivy]

Dark Battery.. Duplicates battery x8

[twilit sedge]

no reason to build on a bad foundation

[opal ivy]

Well he started with laser so I mean

[junior patio]

Unfortunately, it's weakness is the main design philosophy of the game

[twilit sedge]

Mass battery

[coral quarry]

Should mass battery get a nerf? Should each subsequent target receive less dps?

[nova fiber]

Mbatt gets tsd lol

And battery's weakness is damn solitude. Like without, it could be coupled with mbatt ships to deal with the spam, but it's just helpless by itself.

[opal ivy]

1 main target 2 others are nerfed but the same

[twilit sedge]

not a bad idea but wont change the fact, that many of th weapon modules (and shields) are fully useless. this wont make the others more viable.
still, this would bring in some interesting variety or stg

and dont come with "but they have uses in 1-2 stars", because a limited niche usecase wont make it a viable option to spend months to upgrade

[vague brook]

so just barrage?

[cursive grail]

if this is gonna be a thing pvp will need a major rebalance mostly lock blue stars to hull size or somethng its already a pain in the ass when you have a three slot going up against someone maxxed out lmao

[static dagger]

for match making to work in a timely manner, it may not be possible to have 100% fair matches each time

not enough scan volume

[wise thorn]

Don't argue with. Just block.

[winter hill]

as requested.

[fading basin]

This would actually be interesting as literally the module bond or as another mechanic.

Planets produce high/low value shipments to far/close by planets, different types of planets provide more or less credits and if they actually made the disparity noticible, it would go a long way to adding 'complexity'

Optimizing asteroid positioning in WS, using different builds for RS, optimizing planet placement, station plaxement optimizing warp lane distribution
There's a lot of these things that can be optimized, but none of them give a worthwhile benefit.

[opal ivy]

The planets could go back to normal placement after certain time frame. If ys gives credit boost or something. With YS event being gone. Can we get more dark or light econ bonuses?😂😂😂

Also what about hydro upload light or dark upload to miner to give speed boost? I see speed boost mod ideas not sure what other mod could give this kinda boost for miner

Can't upload to itself but other miners

Ik one is definitely hydro upload steals hydro lol

[wheat gull]

If andreas starts meddling with speed boost things again, he could unleash something like t*mewarp again... so, better not

[opal ivy]

True but it consumes hydro, is only for miners, and is a limited duration?

Can only be used on miners i mean

WS I could probably see 2 miners being boosted by 8 lmao

But you could make it consume a full high lvl miner for 1 burst of like max 30mins? Idk

Wime tarp had pretty long duration?

Also effect all ships and everything else in between

[static dagger]

Speed boost would be fun in PvE, shouldn't hinder the game for the sake of the less popular gamemodes

[static dagger]

Just do a bond maneuver and don't allow speed mods in pvp if you don't want to balance them there. It's not ideal but better than it's absence imo.

It's really weird with bond being the other way around... You have a mod for PvP that isn't balanced for PvE... Very strange. There's a number of ways to make bond balanced in PvE.

[torpid panther]

And frankly if you play drs with someone who would use bond to kill your ships probably don’t play with them anymore

[opal ivy]

Yeah idk if anyone would do that in drs thats what I'm saying. If they did ban tf out of them 😆

Public rs should allow trolling imo.. why not encourage corp gameplay lol

[wise thorn]

Yeah a rocket launched at a transport if it's a fellow corpmate should sack their ship at half cost just to egg each other on

[loud sentinel]

Very very cool update

[opal ivy]

Show us more dark or light modules variants though.. Id assume those would be a little faster to do than some of these update previews😅🙏

[craggy barn]

Intentions? No. I don't have any intentions. He is a clown and he know it very well.
btw, are you his employee? 🙂

[craggy barn]

Content? If I want content I'll go to Netflix platform. Here you need stability, honesty and solvency unless you like the circus performance.

[marble plinth]

https://gif.fxtwitter.com/tweet_video/HDFb4VlXUAIkg47.gif

[opal ivy]

Netflix trash.. Hades Star Quantum Star is trending

[wise thorn]

ehhh. They got a decent selection of shows and movies on Netflix @opal ivy

[opal ivy]

Yeah but Hades Star will always be better

😉

[wise thorn]

I can be convinced... @opal ivy

https://tenor.com/view/tell-me-more-undecided-subwaytakes-subway-takes-subway-gif-6596866893872583799

Hades Star better than Netflix how.

[opal ivy]

Its a video game, Netflix. Is not a video game

[wise thorn]

They have games on netflix @opal ivy

;)

Over 90 mobile games

including but not limited to classic you love

Like Bloons Tower Defense 6

Football Manager 26

and Exploding Kittens

[opal ivy]

Boooooo

No Hades Star

See.. Netflix sucks! Lmao

[tidal lagoon]

Im with ham on this one, Netflix is cool but its no hades star.

[wise thorn]

Netflix; Dark Nebula,

[opal ivy]

Hades star: Dark Netflix. We always go off topic 😂

[pulsar jetty]

Of course you do. There is no reaction to anything you say, no feedback, nothing. So at this point, it makes no difference if you suggest a Dark Omni Bomb that erases another player's account or if you discuss nose hair trimming. And yes, I do think that a Dark Nose Hair Trimmer would be a great module for Dark Netflix.

[opal ivy]

Well papá gave no limits lmfao just said post your ideas for some dark modules so nose hair trimming was the first option

[edgy merlin]

When can we expect a new batch of poorly generated AI images?
and responses to the yellow star event?

[opal ivy]

Its a suggestion page.. how else do I give example of my suggestion? I dont want ai generated art in HS. I want to see more of Andreas creative side.. (planet skins, star cosmetics.. possibly one day ship skins)

I have said this in that suggestion page I think more than once

Ive even said they dont look that great because it is AI. Lmao if Andreas did it, it would probably look amazing 😂

[pulsar jetty]

How about a weapon range indicator. You know, instead of this poorly visible 90%-transparent circle. Oh, wait. We had that. We wanted it back. We got... erm.

[autumn quest]

Delayed by 2 years now because you pinged him

[junior patio]

Yup. Better delete your message before it gets pushed from may 12th 2026 to 2028

[potent sky]

Will the update fix these issues as well?

• Horrible matchmaking,
• PvP and PvE meta issues, since Dark Nebula was supposed to fix these problems
  but only ended up postponing them
• Modules that are impossible for regular players to obtain

[pulsar jetty]

Of course it will maybe do that.

[torpid panther]

Almost certainly not. Qs supposed to be a new star not a whole game update. Match making fixes would need to be made separately

[junior patio]

Or it can be left as is

[vague brook]

there was info about it being 12th May specifically? 👀

[zinc cosmos]

no

[junior patio]

Nope

[opal ivy]

I wish

[opal ivy]

This is about Quantum module upgrades

says ham the one who always goes off script

[winter hill]

oh noes when you mention the date another 49 days will get added.. 🙁

[pulsar jetty]

Well, as this is about quantum stars, the uncertainty principle applies. The update both will be released and will not be released on May 12. Only be measuring will one possibility manifest itself.

Which might mean that in a parallel universe, the other possibility will become true simultaneously. So, all you have to do is be in the correct universe.

[opal ivy]

Q26 of 2026

Today's monday.. anymore dark module variants from papá today?

😁 🙏

[zinc cosmos]

erm alshually the heisenberg uncertainty principle states that you cannot know a quantum particles position and velocity at the same time
what you are saying is actually quantum superposition - to be in 2 or more states at once

[wise thorn]

All in favor to fly Nova into the sun say I.

[zinc cosmos]

what no!

i did nothing wrong!

[opal ivy]

You must be sacrificed to create the nova that causes the star to become quantum. We need darker modules

[zinc cosmos]

noooo😭

you should fly me to pluto

if you want to kill me at least be delta v efficient

[opal ivy]

There are no dark modules on Pluto dam you

[tidal lagoon]

There could be

[opal ivy]

There's only shitmints on Pluto!

[tidal lagoon]

What if the shipments are dark mods?

[opal ivy]

Interesting

[zinc cosmos]

le gasp

[opal ivy]

Are we still flying Nova into a sun tho?

[tidal lagoon]

No

[zinc cosmos]

no pluto is more efficient

[tidal lagoon]

Save nova

[zinc cosmos]

wastes way less fuel than going to the sun

[tidal lagoon]

exxxxactly

[opal ivy]

That.. makes no sense at all

[tidal lagoon]

Why waste the hydro?

[zinc cosmos]

look at a delta v map of the solar system

its easier to go far away than to go super close

[opal ivy]

I thought we were talking about his ys or something

I'm like.. its right there

[zinc cosmos]

https://deltavmap.github.io

[tidal lagoon]

You have to loose a toooon of speed. To slow down

[zinc cosmos]

600km/s from LEO

[opal ivy]

Who said anything about slowing down?

[zinc cosmos]

pluto is 11km/s

[zinc cosmos]

in orbital mechanics, you have to slow down to go to the sun

[opal ivy]

Rollback in 3...2....

[opal ivy]

Oh I thought meant slow down to not hit Pluto and crash

[zinc cosmos]

which is funny because thats just a little over the 10km/s to reach LEO in the first place

that said getting a ship capable of 11km/s from LEO to LEO is easier said than done

[tidal lagoon]

Lol true true

Then the hs ships are built different. That's some crazy speed.

Let alone to just completely ignore orbital dynamics XD

[opal ivy]

Thats because its a game

[tidal lagoon]

Well.... yeah.

[opal ivy]

A 2D top down game at that lol orbital dynamics probably wouldnt work that great. Well with the way HS is maybe some 2D space flight sim

I think Spaceflight sim is actually more for that 😂

[zinc cosmos]

so fast they dont even care about orbits they just go straight there

[zinc cosmos]

indeed that is its niche

[pulsar jetty]

Right you are. Still, the Andreas uncertainty principle states that you cannot know the release date and the content of any update at any time.

[wise thorn]

Bring back public lashings.

[winter hill]

i think the last time someone asked for the date the yellow star event got cancelled

[pulsar jetty]

So, if we ask often enough, more stuff gets cancelled?

[junior patio]

If we keep asking for long enough, barrier will eventually be removed from the game

[tidal lagoon]

And they will remove the blue star and croid bonus

Because why not?

[opal ivy]

Probably not bls event

[tulip cedar]

Has anyone suggested a version of bond that works with allied ships. Could move transports or miners headed into the path of destruction. Maybe save a friendly battleship from an enemy bond and move a teleporting friendly while in pre teleport phase so they aren’t sitting ducks. Would change the gameplay a bit but maybe not a huge negative impact and encouraging team work in team battles.

[wise thorn]

you're a teleporting friendly while in pre teleport phase.

[white raft]

Teleport upgrade: it is now doing damage on the line along it's path, the longer the teleport distance the more the damage

[oak narwhal]

Barrier that pushes enemies when bs moving towards it..
-# ..or nvm

[jade cosmos]

Sounds interesting

[zinc cosmos]

budget bond

[gray leaf]

Fun idea, this could lead to some creative plays

[gray leaf]

Also fun idea, could call it dark barrier

[shadow mortar]

Strongly agree, it's better we could have tech trees and let players choose their own route based on their interests.

[coral quarry]

Dark EMP doesn't disable the ship, but forces the player to see and freezes their screen

[wise thorn]

Boooo.

[opal ivy]

Could be only on the selected ship i mean

Then you can just click off that ship and do something else for the duration

Like touch grass! Jk... never stop playing 😅

[maiden mist]

For weapon modules: activate to increase attack range for 20 seconds.

[torpid panther]

Can we assume qs mods will share a cooldown with their normal versions?

[zinc cosmos]

if not then suddenly we see 2x use veng and alpha and barrier and bond and everyones crying as bs7s jump around every 10 seconds

but like no biggie

[torpid panther]

After the things Iv seen…

https://tenor.com/view/vietnam-flashback-traumatized-cat-gif-7852054576948114551

[junior patio]

I doubt that you'll be able to simultaneously equip different versions of the same module on a ship

[tidal lagoon]

I mean it would be quite fun tho XD

[junior patio]

Yeah, it could be fun, until the game dies a couple days later

[tidal lagoon]

Yeahhhhhh...... still fun!

[opal ivy]

Dark impulse shield pulses damage effect for more damage or wider radius

Or both lol

Light impulse regens hp of shield for less damage/maybe as well less range of damage effect but I think its already small

But also impulse in general should pass through barrier at slower or normal speed meaning bs speed not effect speed when impulse effect is active.. imo tho

[wise thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/boo-gif-19787475173016375

[pulsar jetty]

Dark Barrier. Inhibits all movement of hostile object, except darts, rockets, drones, ships, teleport, destiny and leap. Does progressive damage to any object halted by Dark Barrier (but not those that are already at rest or stop movement for other reasons).

[waxen sinew]

Bouncing ray– Fires a beam that strikes a target and chains to nearby enemies with increasing damage on tightly grouped enemies and less effective against isolated enemies.
Entropy field – A localized field that slows enemy movement while accelerating resource regeneration within its radius.

[craggy barn]

Seems more like a dark joke until a clown dev change the rules, stats, radius again and make it more like a dark circus.

Keep building and if you don't understand what I mean, keep my words for the next years 🙂

When some well known clown will bring your progress back to zero again.

[jade cosmos]

This idea seems to be dumb and imbalanced, but how about

dark decoy drone this drone has the same exact hp as the normal decoy drone(or probably slightly higher hp), but instead of only distracting single-target weapons, it distracts multi-targeting weapons like mass battery(and possibly have not too strong ally shield), this won't apply to pulse since it's AOE.

[vital fulcrum]

I like this idea for light decoy drone as I kind of assumed 'light' is meant to be the 'good guy' upgrade to the mod and dark is meant to be the 'bad guy option'

dark decoy drone could absorb all the damage received and then explode dealing AOE effect on destruction similar to mirror shield.

[opal ivy]

Dark or light rocket drone fires faster and with more ammo deals less damage?

Or more damage who am I to judge

Or fires at 3/2 targets in range at a time

[nova fiber]

Dark rocket drone:
The drone becomes the rocket. It is just in name no longer. Deals 5 damage in 1200 AU range on impact.

[wise thorn]

Booooo.

[zinc cosmos]

hehe... double mirror build incoming

[vital fulcrum]

Dark Bond - bonds you to an enemy ship. So enemy teleporting away? Dark bond them to go along for the ride.

Light Bond - bonds ally ships

will be fun to dark bond enemy blast drones

[junior patio]

Dark bond reaches through the screen and strangulates the player, whose battleship got bonded

[vital fulcrum]

There is no way I can describe how this would get used with alt accounts without getting banned from this discord

[jade cosmos]

Dark cerberus drone: 3 dark cerberus guardians, whenever they get destroyed, a fleet of 12 cerberus ghosts spawns to fight the nearest battleship

[potent sky]

Dark suppress: block the weapon AND all module

[junior patio]

Dark cancer: much worse than the regular one

[opal ivy]

For .5s in bls

Max upgrade 😂

But only weapon

[vital fulcrum]

Dark Art Boost: Deletes 10% of your opponent's researched blueprints

[torpid panther]

Man a real dark art boost would be wild. Sacrifice an art to give the boost more potency. Level 1 could be x1.1 up to 15 with x2

[potent sky]

Or cancel the mod ? It's can be a PvP game changing?

[opal ivy]

Yeah but also you can just save that mod and it can ruin the game for ws

Also maybe bls but its not like its a whole team with it

[opal ivy]

I just thought that hydro upload could have some kind of supress function? 😂

[junior patio]

Suppress must stay where it belongs, just like t*mewarp

[vital fulcrum]

In the glorious past?

[junior patio]

Or in the deepest pits of hell. I'm fine with both options

[wheat gull]

Yo this is a safe space. Please censor t*mewarp or put a trigger warning and spoiler tag.

[terse nova]

Where is your spoiler tag then?

[wheat gull]

I censored it, because I'm a considerate person

[craggy barn]

Oh, I see! I insulted your boss and you triggered 🤡 fcking clowns 🤡🤡🤡😂😂😂

Your game is a joke and you know it 🤡

Fy

F clowns. Everybody knows that you left alone 🖕🏻🤡

Nobody takes you seriously anymore

[junior patio]

Bro is NOT hurt

[wheat gull]

Breaking news: HS players successfully ragebait a hater

[opal ivy]

Dark cerb drone is a colossal and doesnt move at all so new single target laser turret with salvage 😂

Dark dart launcher has to be storm darts or gives the dart HP make dart launcher great again

[torpid panther]

Rl is perfect and can’t be improved

[opal ivy]

Well seeing duplicate dark laser. I wonder if all "dark lasers" duplicate like dual duplicates both of its dual laser turret duplicates maybe.. Then ballistics; dark mass batt, dark battery, etc have their own thing. Dark projectiles have their own but idk that way its more simple but would kinda be more boring 😂

Im also curious on how grindable the upgrade bps for dark light varients is. Is it 24 hr or something else. Definitely not endless. Like dark arts/croid

[opal ivy]

Ig this is more gameplay oriented which we won't see until release lmao

[nova cloud]

Why is bro even here? Thats like being an anti-fur and willingly staying in a furry server

[wheat gull]

I bet some people also do that

Just to hate

[nova cloud]

Oh yeah Absloutely, Ive seen a few that Ive let stick around at the gates when I modded for one

[wheat gull]

I also feel like the HS community is in a vastly different spot, a hater won't cause any real damage or emotional distress for anyone, they just get clowned on.

Don't ask about the DN beta discussion though... those actively made everything worse.

[craggy barn]

How many? 5?😂😂🤡

[nova cloud]

What next you gonna growl and hiss at us?

[junior patio]

According to your screenshot, 2 were enough

[jade cosmos]

This is genuinely hilarious that the ONLY hater of this game is getting constantly clowned by everyone, maybe it's free in-community content before the real content in the quantum star 😂😂😂

[zinc cosmos]

paid actor lmao

its the circus in bread and circus

[wise thorn]

That doesn't even make any sense!

[winter hill]

he's not the only hater

plenty of them around

some just mask it better via trolling in other channels with inane chatter that is disguised as "banter"

[craggy barn]

Say that again when the servers goes down.😂
This game is a fraud

It's a dead Game and Andreas deserve it because he is a liar clown. Stay and see 🤡

Pitty only for the 20 employees of this game

[craggy barn]

I'm not a hater and don't rush to extract conclusions unless you get paid from this clown. In that case you should declare that first before you speak. Makes it more clear.

Anyway, I don't need to prove anything in here. The past and the results prove my words. I just coming here occasionally because I enjoy the karma 😂

Actualy I'm quite impressed that nobody banned me to close my mouth and cover the truth.

[craggy barn]

IDGAF about your opinion boy 😂

[winter hill]

noted without thanks

personally i still enjoy the game as it is. granted the changes from DN did irk me a little at first but I adapted

imho seem like you're the one have issues with the game and just seems salty about it.

[craggy barn]

No, I don't have problem with the game, I have problem with clowns who don't keep their words.
I play this game from the first day,from the old era, I supported this like the majority of the old big players...
Andreas is a scammer, stay and see alone...
I play this game before the era of GPT ai. Go and ask it what I mean...

See with your own eyes.

Nobody will trust this clown again, not even to his new project that he moved on after this game...

[winter hill]

shrugs the game dev moving or shifting the goal post is nothing new

nevertheless you're having issues with the dev who are in-charge of the game. if you're unhappy just move on. you're just making it unpleasent for the rest of us who still enjoy the game

[zinc cosmos]

i can understand being mad at andreas but what did everyone else do lmao

you just started insulting them

[craggy barn]

Your "dev" didn't listen the tens of hundreds, even more players who financially supported his work.
Your "dev" he didn't honored his words and he didn't respected all these players who pretended that he listened. So, yes the 95% of the people who moved on was not crazy. I did the same long time ago.
If you read, I already told you, I'm coming here some times, just to enjoy the silence 😂

Enjoy your game and don't cry when this psychopath clown destroy your progress after 1 to 5 years, or even more 😂

[craggy barn]

He can defend himself, can't he?

[torpid panther]

“I moved on long ago” sent 30 seconds go

[craggy barn]

I don't care what you say, if you don't like what I say , you can block me

[winter hill]

just someone being bitter and trying to say "i'm totally not bitter"

[wheat gull]

And this weeks fakest IDGAFer award goes to...

But alas, it's getting quite off-topic here. This channel is to discuss quantum upgrades and not to insult Andreas, so, please move on everyone.

[pulsar jetty]

Well, there is nothing to discuss. There has been a screenshot or two and a bit of speculation, ideas with increasing amounts of potential for improvement and the usual derailing that seems to be a necessity for this kind of thread.

Andreas has already stated that he will neither show how quantum stars will really look nor will he consider these discussions. So... what is the purpose of this whole channel? If you ask me, just to keep fanboys and haters out of harms way.

[torpid panther]

It does seem to me that most if not all of the qs upgrades should be based on the new gameplay and since we can’t know what that is speculating mod ideas is pointless

[fading basin]

I used to be a glazer, then I turned hater, then glazer then hater again,

I think this post atp is more of a twitter post or a insta post than a thread for discussion, since discord seems to be the games most popular platform.

are we going to get any more snippets even?

[jade cosmos]

I doubt that they are gonna post more snippets of the update or the gamemode according to the march update thread, but it's up to them to do that.

[toxic blaze]

wait if its an insta post can we start sharing ig reels in here? 👀

also whens the update coming out?

this seems to be a case of roblox sd2 v42 iykyk

[wise thorn]

Yes.

Please do.

[toxic blaze]

oh boy i fear we just opened pandoras box

[wise thorn]

Intelligence only gets you so far. @toxic blaze

It's time to revert to canines

[toxic blaze]

My feed ladies and gentlemen

[wise thorn]

My feed looks nothing like that.

They have corrupted the youth.

[fading basin]

https://tenor.com/view/head-turn-mickey-mouse-funhouse-turn-around-staring-at-you-horned-owl-gif-25889843

really? I feel this is too far

[toxic blaze]

That’s not even the worst of it

Last one I promise

This thread really did end up a twitter thread lmao

[wise thorn]

Gen Z reshapes memes

[shy bough]

Idea for bond variant: A grappling bond that attaches to a ship then pulls it towards you.

Can get cancelled by lower level bonds once the range is equal to or less

[gray leaf]

At that point, it's a tractor beam

[wise thorn]

You're better off waiting for the next Rubik's cube.