Matchmaking bug

[pulsar dome]

It's gotta be a bug, right? Or do you want to feed small players to big players for a reason? I would hate to think that you were doing this to cover up for the lack of content in the game... 👀

[autumn gust]

There's only one reason. if you don't want to be a plankton for whales, get a card for this donation dump. 🤡

[pulsar dome]

Same vibe this game gives

[pulsar dome]

Still happening

[pulsar dome]

It's still happening

[pulsar dome]

It's still happening

[eager hollow]

I think the reason for this might be the ranked toggle. If turned off, it can match you with players significantly lower than your level. Yet, if there are 4 real players in one star, the match is considered RANKED. This allows to gain easy victories.

The solution should be making each matched scanned without the toggle turned on as UNRANKED.

[pulsar dome]

🤔 I try not to do ranked usually; but I think I'm placed in them anyways

[hollow holly]

Its not a bug, its a feature

[shy plover]

Hey so I agree with you that blue stars are broken. I reacted to your other post in #1206751668344197191 ; #1434569310239719554 message . It's just that I (and probably others who agree with you about blue stars) would appreciate it if you didn't spam unrelated stuff, since doing so makes it look like you're complaining for the sake of complaining, rather than actually trying to get it fixed. I'm sure that's not actually what you're doing; it just seems that way anyway.
The road to fixing blue stars is not this.

[gleaming brook]

its not a bu

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you need a batter gaming chair

[pulsar dome]

Honestly that's faire. Just didn't want to share ANOTHER screenshot of another match. Figured a random pic would at least be more entertaining. Sincerest apologies.
I'll go back to BLS screenshots.

This thread was supposed to be sarcastic- that's why I did it here.

[shy plover]

Thank you

[crystal grotto]

Ha! My friend eurus (lvl 340) had to go up against a FULLY LEVELED lvl999 and as a lvl 130 that is terrifying! Now I have not ran into that recently but I also dont do ranked If I can avoid it

[low dagger]

You will very soon 😉

[low dagger]

Brother how many blue stars do you play a day 🥲

[pulsar dome]

I only post the screenshots every two or three days. They end up backing up

And I play as many as it takes to get my f****** dailies

I hate this game

[fading shore]

I don't know what you mean, totally fair and balanced I think

[celest eagle]

This is not bug, this is an endless war between smurfs and humans

and we will decide who wins

[fading shore]

This is no smurfing tho

[low dagger]

I wish it were smurfing genuinely 😭
At least then I get to shit on the players responsible! Now only the game is at fault

[pulsar dome]

I love feeding the number one players in the game more crystals

I love not having a chance to get those crystals

I love being a designated loser in the game

I hate this f****** game

[fading shore]

Wait until you learn higher level players also earn more credits and hydro daily 😱

[deep heath]

If you struggle that much maybe it's because your build isn't very good? Like why the with a that 1 shot every battleship ?
And also you have 0 evasive mods, making you a really easy target.

[fading shore]

No weapon, no shield, no tp 😅

[pulsar dome]

@deep heath is obviously a troll
@fading shore is obviously a troll

[deep heath]

Why?? I was just trying to help you understand why you kept losing( possibly a very sub optimal build), and you're straight up calling us trolls? Even tho you never accepted any criticism, kept posting the same thing over and over again, never proposed any actual solution??
You feel way more of a troll that anyone I've ever met

[pulsar dome]

Can I go back to posting random crap now? Or should I continue to take this seriously so that trolls can come and s*** on me? I mean I have literal twats coming and commenting on my post now?

[shy plover]

All they're saying is that you should probably take a second look at your build, and reevaluate it. Maybe you'll change it. Maybe you won't. It won't hurt to double check.

[pulsar dome]

We're not here to talk about my build.

[deep heath]

We're here to propose solution to you, because right now you're getting matched against people with higher modules than you(this is a mm problem fair), but as you're playing a very bad build you lose way more, extrapolating the problem. And then you complain here, insulting pretty much everyone, never accepting criticism nor offering any solution. You don't help yourself, the situation nor the developper.
In short: what you're doing right now is useless for everyone

[low dagger]

This is off-topic.
I run an 'optimal' build myself and have to play 4-5 BLS a day to get full reward. Out of three ranked matches, I get 2nd place once if I'm lucky. 3rd and 4th for the other two. I have to play more to get full rewards (which is not fun, playing with lones is boring). Given how the devs made RS's 15min->10min to reduce the required time daily to progress at optimal rate, it is ridiculous I have to spend 45+min on BLS alone. Most of which is waiting for ship repair.

Let's not kid ourselves. The solution is right here and the devs simply refuse to acknowledge a problem.
Revert all changes made to the matchmaking (which was an effort to eliminate smurfing). A lv100 player has the tools available to him to beat smurfs. Even more true if he is in a corp with access to higher level arts. I can speak from personal experience, as I've made it to top50 in a season at lv120 with minimal higher level arts.

[deep heath]

I never said that there was not a problem. I sais that he was exagerating it, and thinking it's worse than it's really by playing a bad build with high level mods.
Bad build --> he loses more often, so he has to do more matches, meeting more and more players overleveled. And he literaly can't do anything against them because he has nothing to defend, so he really feel helpless( even if, with a correct build, he could defend more often)
High level mods --> he will meet more overleveled players if he plays with full lvl 10-11 mods, once again reinforcing his feeling of unfairness.

Moreover, playing 4-5 bls to get full reward is normal if we consider you're an average player, so on average you'll end at the 2.5/5 place. When you end up 2nd you gain 30% of the maximum daily reward, and when your finish 3rd you gain a bit less( I'm not sure but I think it's something like 15%).
So yeah playing 4-5 match each day is not that abnormal.
And if waiting for ships to repair is what angry you then you can( easy solutions);

• leave hades star for 10 min after a bls so your ships have the time to repair
• change ships( you know, you have multiple of these).

[fading shore]

I'm confused how you use your own "top50 at lvl120" as a positive for the old system

It only shows how ridiculously broken and absurd the situation was, where top seats and rewards were going to people playing at the lowest level vs the weakest opponents. Surely that can't be how a leaderboard and competitive rewards are supposed to work? System needs to be tweaked again and seriously but not going back

[low dagger]

The game is not about 'who has the best mods' tho? That wasn't my alt account either, it was my main. In which I earned top50 by playing against others of similar power and winning, proportionally, more than a lot of 'high level' players.

The old system was absolutely better for 4/5 players in a BLS today who have to go up against lv999 while being lv700/600/400/200/160

[low dagger]

I do find it abnormal in the sense that I very rarely had to play more than 3 matches before the change. But yes, although it is annoying, I could reconfig my RS battleships to skip the wait.

I feel aggrieved mainly because I used really enjoy BLS as a game mode. Could make it to top200 if I ever wanted to. Nice crystal reward every month. But it's not fun anymore.

[deep heath]

Well then you were better before, and it's surely linked with the fact that before there were a lot more players and a better distribution of said players. Now there are a lot more high level( I feel)/end game players compared to the playerbase than before. This lack of players makes it so that you'll get matched with players that are online and searching, most of the time stronger players

[fading shore]

The old system was about "who has the worst mods" when it came to the leaderboard, that's certainly worst, the goal should be for players to upgrade and progress, and gain advantages that combined with skill lets them climb over time.

Nobody here is saying ridiculously bad matchups aren't happening or are way too frequent today. That's literally the least controversial opinion in this whole server. But the incentives still need to align with growing your account, not the other way around

[low dagger]

No, pretty sure before the matchmaking used to actually use some kind of algorithm to fill a lobby. I never had to face a max-levelled 999 (who aren't doing anything wrong, mind you. They brought their best setup, no intention of smurfing)

It appears the devs were so desperate to eliminate the smurfing problem they must have introduced some 'check' or 'comparision' to counter this, but had it prioritised over every other check and algorithm, so as long as you play with the best mods you have, you are pitched against those who do the same, regardless of mod values.

I call bullshit if you think the game doesn't have a decent spread of players in most levels. If it can find 4/5 players below lv.500 in 5 seconds, it can wait 5 more for the last one. It is absurdly extreme to fill a 999 in that same lobby.

[fading shore]

Ballpark, I'd say a early game player should have a way to realistically get their daily rewards in ~4-5 matches, but a ranked seat? Reasonably not.

[fading shore]

To the last point, that's my biggest gripe with the current implementation. I feel we just need to tweak the sensitivity up a notch and let the match making wait longer before calling the plug and start the game. Bring back 2 minutes wait times!

[low dagger]

Is that not just gatekeeping early game players from the leaderboard? The influence board is the late gamers' playground anyway. The WS leaderboard now is absolutely worthless, but before DN it was also a late-gamer pedestal. BLS used to be the perfect early game ranking, as there was a large spectrum of skill, strategy, and mod loadouts.

Late gamers' apparently faced a lot more difficulty as they were facing meta builds all the time. Just divide the bracket then! The matchmaker used to have 4 invisible brackets (as far as pre-DN is concerned, I didn't play for a while when DN came out). Just use those and make it official.

[fading shore]

Mid/Late gamers were gatekeeped from that same leaderboard because spinning an alt in a few weeks was the optimal setup to claim the top seats. That's ridiculous and not aligned at all with the design goals of a game based on long-term progression.

If your underlying point is the game should be more generous with crystals towards low-level players, that's fine and I don't have an opinion, but when it comes to tiered rewards I'm comfortable with the higher tiers being accessible only through a combination of skill/effort/tech. Not one where "low tech" is the optimal route instead (even if skill still plays a part).

Just like RS event, for all its flaws, it's natural to me that getting top seats and rewards also takes high-level accounts, and can't be achieved better by a RS7 corp

Tiered brackets are an avenue I'd personally like to see explored, and would you be surprised or bothered if rewards were scaled accordingly?

[low dagger]

Whatever increases the longevity of the game. There is a thought that helping the late game level up the mods faster is basically helping them 'finish' the game, which would shrink the playerbase. Whatever the players and devs feel is acceptable, I guess, I'm just a lv200 haha.

Tiered rewards would do wonders for BLS and maybe the RS event also.

[fading shore]

To this thought: honestly, nobody is getting any closer to rs12 with 200 extra crystals 😅
Late game players are facing a drought of content and things to look forward to, with the next milestones being half a year away after rs11, and rs12 maybe another year later again. It's a whole other issue tho.

RS event: do you find it difficult as a 200 player to get a seat in a top100 corp?

I was under the impression this event (and rewards) was fairly accessible even to lower players

[low dagger]

I've never participated in the event, because from what I've seen low level RS runs are like throwing peanuts at a wall. I don't think there's a problem of accessibility, but I can just see a system where corps are also divided into brackets by overall/average Corp influence or the Corp level. Helps early game and small corps have a shot at some reward.

[gleaming brook]

you dont know how its balanced? badat math

[gleaming brook]

20 average

[pulsar dome]

I swear, I get more blocked messages on these than people who actually have the capacity to extrapolate from incomplete data and...

[gleaming brook]

@pulsar dome dontspam images

[crystal grotto]

There now he's not the only one putting images here. Lol

[gleaming brook]

he is admin he can win

[crystal grotto]

???

[pulsar dome]

Leaving this for the trolls. Will run more BLS later today or tomorrow, been busy this week

[crystal grotto]

Don't we a love both a bs7 and bs6 in bls? Especially when you are bs4 lol

[crystal grotto]

999? Why?

[terse osprey]

one gets used to it

[crystal grotto]

Sadly yeah....

[crystal grotto]

Still gonna commmmpppplllllllaaaannneeeeeee! :p

[terse osprey]

*complain :p

[crystal grotto]

.... dangit lol you are right

[tiny wigeon]

I was taking all of them, I stopped.. now you get all of them

[crystal grotto]

Ham! How could you do this to me!

Well dang I had no clue wingless left hso... he was my old corps FO...

[tiny wigeon]

You didn't see events.. no ys event. Ham no bls. Ham sad 😪

[crystal grotto]

I saw no ys event... im sad too I want credits

[fringe light]

Worst matchmaking ever

Imagine you got matched with a living nuclear warhead

And that exactly what I have experienced

I experienced Kim Jong Un live nuclear warhead that can make people completely stuck and can heal it self to max hp when need

[crystal grotto]

Oof, especially with omega instead of alpha... I feel bad for ya...

[crystal grotto]

2 bs6s? Why?

[terse osprey]

wait til you see two bs7s

[crystal grotto]

:c

[low dagger]

Hey I have that 😄

[crystal grotto]

Ooof, two bs 7s???? That's crazy.

[terse osprey]

average tuesday

when that happens you just hope and pray that they hate each other

[crystal grotto]

Hey remember that? Yeah... I had that no pics tho...

And how can you tell i just got bs5?
-# and I got to see mirror in action today :c it hurts

Also a rather amusing glich look at the top screen at the names

[terse osprey]

hehe yeah mirror hurts like hell

[crystal grotto]

This dude just insta killed me XD

The first screenshot was me trying to live and failing XD I did not alpha in time

Oop

The second Pic has the wrong dude....

I dont have a pic of the right dude XD I died to quickly

There is the right dude

[terse osprey]

yeah

happens

[crystal grotto]

Yeah I thought its was bad as bs4.... nope bs5 is so so much worse 😅 I also kinda suck so that does not help...

[terse osprey]

lmfao

[crystal grotto]

As always the root cause can be traced back to a skill issue 🤣 ill get better.... or not.

[fossil mural]

I'm lvl 140 with lvl 9 tech and matchmaking gets me into a fight against 500 -900 lvl Gigabytes and get my ass kicked and die like a fly

Hydrogen bomb vs coughing baby type of situation

[terse osprey]

just do the baby array