Change 3x bonus from "shipments delivered" to "shipments generated" in Yellow Star Event

[thin saffron]

I'm GMT +3, so it's like 3 am at night when the event starts

[muted shadow]

please up vote then 🙂

[dusty flicker]

You still have to stay up until 1am if you want to clear the non-bonus shipments to make room for the 3x ones. I see no difference 🤷‍♂️

[muted shadow]

Not at all. You would be able to continue to do shipments at your normal time. All shipments generated during the 3 day event would yield 3x bonus. As long as your planets aren't full, you wouldn't miss out on any of these

[dusty flicker]

Oh, my bad, I see the idea. So you simply want to get the bonus even after the event?

When the event is over, the 3x shipments stay in your system. I like it.

[muted shadow]

You are just not locked in to doing shipments at a certain time this way. So yes, the ones that generate in the last hours of the event could be delivered the next morning for example.

[deep talon]

Seems like a fair compromise to me

[fiery vector]

You shouldn't have enough transport capacity to fit all your shipments, and the optimal way is just to save the top 10% value shipments over the course of the few days leading up to the event. You can just make sure your transports are full and your planets empty before going to bed and don't need to stay up until the middle of the night.

That being said, I think your suggestion makes sense,~~ just not your problem.~~ Edit: problem does make sense, my bad

[muted shadow]

To maximize bonus your planets need to be full at the start of the event. Then these need to be delivered, so I have to do that at 1am. Shipments need to be delivered before the end of the event too, which means staying up until 1am.

[fiery vector]

Oh yeah, sorry was misreading what you were saying. You are absolutely right and I'm an idiot

[muted shadow]

Haha not at all, thanks for discussing 🍻

[crimson walrus]

I sympathize with your problem. People should not have to stay up late for a game.

The only downside to your suggestion is I store up extra goods on my transports a couple of days before so as to maximize my income.

Your suggestion would negate that because I wouldn't get extra credit for those shipments.

Your suggestion would take away the incentive to spend a day or two storing up good shipment goods to deliver during the event

[muted shadow]

Yes this is the downside to it for sure. What i would say though, is the vast majority of the 3x bonus you receive comes from the naturally generated shipments over the 3 days. The excess shipments stored beforehand is nice, but its a small percent of the bonus. I would rather not have to stay up in to the night than receive this extra bonus. There are also people in worse time zones than me, where the event starts at 3am, which is pretty ridiculous.

Maybe there is a world in which the dev could up the bonus slightly, say to 3.5x, or extend the event by 1-2 days to compensate for this.

[fiery vector]

While everyone figured it out straight away, I am fairly confident that people storing arts ahead of the event was not what they envisaged when the event was dreamt up. So I am not sure we should consider that an entitlement that is being taken away from us. The suggestion is already removing 1 days worth of shipments from the bonus which is far more than whatever you store on your transports

[quaint plume]

If the x3 shipments will start generating only at the event, instead of x3 delivery bonus, you will get the same credits as when you do shipments at the usual time with current event mechanic, without maximizing this.

The only thing it will change, ppl who are willing to maximize won’t be able to. Everyone will get 3 of x3 shipments.

I mean 2 of x3 shipment cycles, the event lasts 2 days

[muted shadow]

Yeah it will mean you won't be able to stack shipments before the event. I have added a note to the suggestion asking for the event to be extended due to this. But it would also mean that a big chunk of the player base wouldn't have to stay up/get up in the night to be able to maximize their bonus....

[quaint plume]

So you just want to equalize everyone, who are willing to make an effort and who are not or can’t, copy. Not sure if it is fair, coz the cap progress is already slow, but this idea has a place to be

We need this event every month tbh

Adding +1 day with your idea could solve all the issues

[muted shadow]

I am not really looking to equalize everyone. I just don't want to have to stay up until 1am at the start and end of the event to be able to get the full benefit of it.

[quaint plume]

Or maybe if the event start will be tied to the local timezone 💡

[muted shadow]

That could work, but i think it would be quite hard to implement.

[quaint plume]

Oh, I just noticed the extending part, this could work 👍

[vernal yew]

U guys can do shipping?!!!

[torn yoke]

This suggestion is totally against players who stack shipments to get 200% bonus from the evevt . I strongly disagree.

Change the title

Suggest time shift whatever else

[muted shadow]

I stack shipments too mate. But i dont think it is fair that half the player base has to stay up in to the middle of the night to make the most of the event.....what time does the event start for you?

[torn yoke]

Suggest time shift then

[muted shadow]

Time shift would just make it worse for other players in different locations....

[torn yoke]

Suggest anything else to solve the problem

[muted shadow]

If the event duration was extended, like i suggested, what is the problem?

[torn yoke]

But leave the bonus for stacked shipments

Add half day 12h to the duration of the event

[muted shadow]

I think 1d12hrs would be better

would make it even with what we are getting now, roughly

[torn yoke]

The title would be better to say ..."extend the duration of the event so that all players could fit 3 shipment cycles regardless of their timezone"

[muted shadow]

Just adding time to the event doesn't change the problem. You are not understanding the issue.

[torn yoke]

You could edit the title

I read all the posta here. You will have the same problem 1am before the event starts... you need to have space on planets befote the event to hold the new big shipments

[muted shadow]

You would not have the same problem. I could do my shipments at say 7pm, and then the next day at 7pm. Rather than having to have to have my planets full at 1am and do the shipments then. That is the whole point of the suggestion.

Which is why i suggested the event be extended to compensate for this loss

I dont think you are understanding what i am saying. Right now to make the most of the event your planets need to be full at the start of the event. And you need to do shipments at the start of the event. For me and other players that is in the middle of the night.....it is pretty ridiculous

This can be counteracted by extending the event, like i have already mentioned

then you are not getting max bonus from the event

if the event was extended this would compensate for stacking shipments......

if your planets arent full at the start of the event you are not getting max bonus

[torn yoke]

They are full

[muted shadow]

then you leave them full for 5hrs

losing shipments

and missing out on bonus

So you are worried about losing stacked shipments bonus, but aren't concerned that your planets aren't full at the start of the event, which loses you bonus 🤔

[torn yoke]

They will get full 5h after the start just before I wake up to clear the system

[muted shadow]

Yes i understand that. But if you did your shipments with full planets when the event starts you would gain more credits during the event.....do you understand that??

[torn yoke]

Loosing 4-5h is small compared to what I have stacked

Also using relay to catch last hour in the event could be a problem....

Hydro and loosing 14 vs. 13 multiplier

[muted shadow]

Is it though? It is 25% ish of a days worth of shipments. How many is that compared to how many you have stacked?

[torn yoke]

I have the value of full day and even more stacked on trs plus the same on planets

[muted shadow]

I see. Well if the event was extended by 1-2 days it would compensate for this. And allow a lot of the players to not have to do shipments in the night

[torn yoke]

I have around 950shipments total value around 600k

Its 1,5 days income

Plus 3 minus few h from the event

Plus doing relay middle of the night before the end

[lethal summit]

if someone wants to max they're income during the event who am I to stop taht?

if someone wants to just do shipments as normal its up the the player.

its up to the player

[torn yoke]

If they extend it then we have more income to gain on top of what is stacked

The only solution is personal switch to start 48h counter for the event

[muted shadow]

but if maxing your income requires you to be awake in the middle of the night, do you not think that is unreasonable?

[lethal summit]

you dont play white star?

also just do your shipments in the morning

[muted shadow]

yes i do and i dont get up in the middle of the night for that

[lethal summit]

preload some transports before bed then do your shipments as normal.

[lethal summit]

so that's a I am causal white star player.

but this game is straghy and you cna figure out how to make room for shipemnts to optizsm the the shipments. its 3 days. the time doesn't change I highly doubt one would lose out on criedits.

[torn yoke]

Your proposal is totally against all player who make efforts to stack shipmmets

[muted shadow]

Of course i could do that, but then i miss out on bonus. Why cant we just make it reasonable to make the most of the event, rather than having to be awake in the middle of the night to do so.

[muted shadow]

If that is your definition of a casual WS player, then yes i guess

[torn yoke]

Just make personal start of the event for each player

No need to reduce the reward for their efforts

[muted shadow]

Mate, as i have said numerous times, i have suggested extending the event alongside the other changes so that people wont lose out on credits. I don't know how else to explain that..

[muted shadow]

You understand that having planets full at the start of the event and doing shipments then is the correct way to get max bonus from the event right? And doing shipment right before the event ends too? So i absolutely have to do that on two occasions at 1am not to lose out on credits....

[muted shadow]

this would work but i imagine it would be hard to implement

[torn yoke]

How could you compare two case with different duration of the events and stacked shipments

Just increase the durarion of the event without making any other changes...lol

[muted shadow]

Well i cant do it exactly. But if you extended the event by 2 days, it would almost certainly make up for the loss of stacked shipments

[torn yoke]

Lol just incrase it by 2 days and I will stack shipment again

Dude.. how old are you

[muted shadow]

If you increase it by 2 days, i would still have to stay up until 1am to get max bonus....it doesnt solve the issue at all....

[muted shadow]

I am 38. And my logic is fine. I still don't think you understand the problem.

[torn yoke]

Dont max out bonus... 90-95% is still good plus stacked shipments

With your propasal we would have only 2days income with bonus

We loose few hours income...20-25% from the income on the planets

Having personal start not in the middle of the night will solve it

[muted shadow]

I suggested extending the event....like i have already mentioned

If you made it a 4 day event it would be roughly the same yes

any shipments generated in those 4 days give bonus

regardless of when they are delivered

[torn yoke]

As credit value...yes

But you compare 4 days event with 2 days event plus some stored shipment on planets and trs

Both could both give the same credits in total but could be diffferent

[muted shadow]

yeah so whats the problem? same credits and you can do your shipments whenever....thats good right?

[torn yoke]

If you dont deliver shipments right after the end of the event that will be overwitten with lower value

This is not good

[muted shadow]

they wont be overwritten, the planet will just fill and they will remain there

like normal

why would they be overwritten?

[torn yoke]

Nope.... old shipments are overwritten im DN lkke in HS

If planet get full oldest ones will be overwritten

[muted shadow]

so just make sure you deliver them before the planet fills....

i assume you do shipments every day and dont let planets fill right?

it would be no different

[torn yoke]

Your proposal will kill the desire of players to stack shipments

This is the downturn

[muted shadow]

Why does it matter if the credits come from stacked shipments or from a longer event if the overall gain is roughly the same??

because people enjoying stacking, is that what you are saying?

[torn yoke]

Because some players want to place efforts that would rewarded better than others do and ....yes like stacking

[lethal summit]

how you have have the same 72 hours, just put extra shipmenst on some transports. I like to do my shipments in the morning so I did my morning shipments then left some on transprots so I could have some extras. something stops you from doing that as well.

[muted shadow]

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[lethal summit]

you dont... just stack shipments.

[muted shadow]

I AM stacking shipments. But also having your planets full at the start of the event is the correct way to get max bonus

[lethal summit]

do something becomes before bed.

you might lose some bonus on a few but that's life.

its a game a slow one

like I dont do bls I miss out on that income I dont get upset about it. its a choice I make.

[muted shadow]

Yes but this can be changed to allow people to get max bonus and make it more convenient, so i dont understand what could be bad about that lol

[lethal summit]

because it wont work how you think it well and who am I to stop people who want to stack shipments for weeks from having they're fun

if your a player who really digs econ micros, god bless you, but they've been picking otu the highest level shipments for weeks and squirlling them away.

why take that from them?

[torn yoke]

Yep

[lethal summit]

(I upgraded to 100 ton and did half shipments I'm not one of those people)

(franky at 29 mil cap that was more of QOL upgrade then anything else)

[muted shadow]

I understand, I have also been doing that. But it would also be nice for me and others to not have to do shipments at 1-3am on the first and last day of the event

[lethal summit]

do your shipments at 11 pm

then go to bed.

heck I'll do my shipments at that time too.

[torn yoke]

I have 950k x 42= 40M stacked

[lethal summit]

bless you

[torn yoke]

I dont have what tondo more except 32M star harvester

[lethal summit]

(fs needs to be upgraded)

[torn yoke]

I keep it for this event

[lethal summit]

you hsould make a alt then so you can max shipments once every 3 months

hm... I do miss rs3 I might do that this week.

wow

I like making questionable builds on alts and seeing how it goes.

[muted shadow]

For people with an event start time of 3am they would lose out on 4hrs of shipments. If you have 1300 total shipments generated in YS in a day (what i have) that comes to about 210 shipments lost. That is the equivalent of 5-6 40t transports worth of stacked shipments lost. If they also did shipments at 11pm at the end of the event that would be another 5-6 transports worth. So do you see what i mean?

Yeah ok its is less for sure. But it is still a significant amount lost by not doing shipements at event start and finsh is what im saying

[torn yoke]

Minor

Lost income is not so big

I have blocked for storage only1 planet since one week

All top shipment are on trs- I have been doing it for the pleasure of stacking

[muted shadow]

I guess if people enjoy stacking that much they wont vote for my suggestion. That is fine.

[torn yoke]

This is the downside

The event wants to increase the fun of the game

This how developer will consider it.

[pine hull]

What if there was a shipping preset the player could set, which would automate shipping at a designated time?

A more complex solution, or perhaps a new issue for debate. Either way, another idea

[quaint plume]

Yeah, I have the same thought, like what if you could do full shipments once, the game will calculate your credits to hydro ratio and next time you can just press the button, spend the same hydro and gain same credits

Manually ship 2000+ shipments is a violation of the Geneva Convention

[pine hull]

Overtime

[lethal summit]

I think the idea is you do shipments once a day for 3 days. yea it would suck if he set it to pop at midnight his time which would put it at 2 am for me. but I would live I wouldn't worry about the income loss that much theI dont stress if I dodnt get criod I also always get my criod before the 2x croid event. I just roll with it

[torn yoke]

There should be other solution. And just for you, even I missed the start of the event by 3h as it was also midnight 3am for me I made 42M in 15 min, which compensates the delay.

@muted shadow

[lethal summit]

so fs donation?

[torn yoke]

Yes, as always

[fiery vector]

This thread is entire proof of what a cancer the suggestions format is.

The OP has even said that having regionalised event windows for people in different timezones would address their issue (and this the minmaxxers would not lose their wombling week of preparation and extra bonus) - but - as is the way - people just read the headline and not the discourse and consequently it just turns into an angry, non productive exchange.

The OP raises a legitimate concern. The current format does disadvantage people in timezones where the event starts in the middle of the night for them.

Whether you still get some reward, or only lose out on 20% or whatever, is irrelevant.

It's easy for people in timezones where they aren't affected by the issue to imply that people who are that they should be dedicated enough to set an alarm and wake up at 3am and quit complaining.

Given that the yellow star event is a purely individual event, there is no gaming reason for it not to have regionalised time windows (to be honest, I also think that the red star event should rotate 4 hours each event as the 00:00gmt timezone does disadvantage Asian/Oceania players who are asleep for the final push, but that's another issue)

The only reason not to do so would be technical, as a yellow star event doesn't need to be perfectly synchronised like PvP (or corp Vs corp) events do.

[hallow tulip]

Lmao Kabobo convinced me to vote for this proposal. Imagine seeing someone so determined to deliberately misunderstand a pretty well thought out proposal

[muted shadow]

Yes this whole experience has not been fun, it is the last suggestion I will make.
Yesterday I was told I was devoid of logic, I was asked how old I was, implying that I must be a kid for making such an awful suggestion and told that I know nothing about doing shipments (when I am an rs11 player). I have debated just deleting the suggestion as I am not sure it is worth the hassle.

[fiery vector]

The problem I have with suggestions, and it happens nearly ervery time is that:

1. the suggestor makes a suggestion
2. Person X makes a criticism / alternative point of view
3. the suggestor evolves the idea (sometimes even radically) to accomodate person X's suggestion, while still addressing the root cause of their concern
4. Person X (either deliberately or just through laziness to read the adjustment) just continues to parrot the same response, even though it doesn't apply to the update>
5. More people come in, read all of person X's posts, don't bother to read through where the suggestion now stands, and just argue against the headline rather than the content.

[torn yoke]

yes - all you say was true - this is undeed what I thought yesterday. I am sorry but I was honest in my reaction - I was surprised that someone would suggest removing the fun of stacking shipments in the game from some players just because he is in unfavorable time zone and he will loose 20% efficiency from the first day of the event.

For sure there is a problem

[torn yoke]

you mix things - there is a problem for sure. there could be several suggestions in the discussion how to solve it.
I pointed another possible suggestion - individual timers for the YS event.
You pointed 3rd suggestion of rotation of the event start to fit different time zones.
Our suggestions could be lost because the main title is focusing to a suggestion and not to the problem to provoke a discussion

[torn yoke]

Why do you call "pretty well thought out proposal" a suggestion that will kill the fun of stacking shipments?

[fiery vector]

That adds the problem of changing the title of something people have voted on.

If I changed the title to "should vengeance have its range doubled in blue star" after 50 people voted in favour for the title "should vengeance have its range halved in blue star" it invalidates the poll.

In my relic drone suggestion thread, for example, I didn't touch the original title or post content, but added addendums to the original post (and reserved the first post for a summary of new points raised)

However this is more an issue with the suggestions format. I think that what is needed is probably bugs to be expanded to be: "bugs and gameplay issues"

"Alpha shield having no counter in white star" got submitted as a bug, even though it's not a bug (but is an issue) but was done so by a mod who said that was where it fitted.

This would therefore allow people to vote in favour of the underlying issue without their vote being misrepresented to lend support for an evolving idea that they don't.

[pine hull]

I'm curious about how you achieved 42mil

[mossy plinth]

high level drones, prob rs11 or smth idk, doubled shipments, and then the 3x multiplier

[lethal summit]

kaboho is rs12

then stacked ys players are weird.

[jolly ice]

[crimson walrus]

Then I dislike this suggestion. Whats wrong with thinking ahead and storing some goods on a TS?

[crimson walrus]

You suggestion has merit, players shouldn't have to lose sleep for a game.
But those who plan ahead shouldnt be punished either.

[pine hull]

The only possible solution to this seems to be local timers so players can fit their needs. But issue seems to be difficulty implementing it.

Extending event is fine by me, I'd love it. But it does not solve the main issue, which is staying up late to minmax.

Imagine extending by a day, people are going to chase after the extra time and once again, it'll be an ungodly hour for someone somewhere when event ends or starts.

Therefore, we are merely going in circles with this debate.

In summary, extension is not useful to the situation, even if it's by 12h. Local timers for players/TZ could work. But we need other ideas if implementation is difficult.

And let's not get heated.

[hallow tulip]

I’m not sure why we’re “going in circles”. The original poster said that they wanted shipments generated to have the 3x bonus applied to the base value beginning at the start of the event. So you’d have shipments in your lvl 10 trade station appearing with 1500 or 1600 values.

This perfectly solves the problem because you would not have to be up to take advantage of the bonus. The event starts, your shipments automatically start appearing with higher value even when you’re asleep, and then you deliver whenever is convenient for you, and everyone gets 3 days of higher value shipments regardless of what time zone they’re in or when they deliver shipments.

You can even extend the event to allow for more bonus (to make up for the fact that right now, people hoard their high value shipments for a day before the event, and that would go away with this change).

There’s no two sides here. The original suggestion solves the problem.

[mossy plinth]

wha?

???? you don't need any event??? obviously?? and easier said than done

it just speeds it up

wait how is it destructive to shift event starts based on timezone?

or are we saying making shipment generated have the 3x instead is destructive?

[torn yoke]

This is the alternarive proposal

To shift the start or individual start for each player

Orininal proposal is in the title

[mossy plinth]

nono im just confused

your wording is kind of ambiguous and im kinda stupid

not a great combo

well its kind of hard to tell when its in text form and without tone indicators soo :|

[torn yoke]

This event is perfect for every player who want to progress faster

Stacking 20-30 top shipments from Trade stations per day could really make you lots of credits during the event

[mossy plinth]

its 3x for 4 days worth of shipments (if you time it)

[torn yoke]

Maybe yes.... if you dont stack/save lots of shipments

[mossy plinth]

i mean ig if you have crazy high carrying capacity and swap all ships for ts you could store even more

[torn yoke]

You are correct

[mossy plinth]

but you still can get effectively another day by doing shipments right at the start/right at the end