Make colossus a capital ship again

[hot anchor]

Colo used to be a threat but are now less scary than a sentinel. Give normal Colo the hp of dark Colo. let dark Colo salvage work on all cerbs.

[reef adder]

That sounds great, yet...don't go too crazy. I do miss the dance...bouncing in and out for fresh shields and keep a L cooking...

[ornate nimbus]

ig this would make colos counter multi target builds somewhat

i kinda like it

[tulip gull]

think of the children...
newbies encountering colo in rs5 after a couple of weeks of playing is a shock. they thought the game was easy and need to adjust. give them a fierce dark colo and they may quit in frustration.

[tulip gull]

i've seen this kind of thinking in popular mods before. veterans that are always playing want a bigger challenge, devs listen to them and newbies suddenly give up because the game/mod is too hard.
ideally as a game designer you provide a wide range of challenges with different difficulty and suitable rewards, making everyone happy

[vital jackal]

Giving them barrier or suspend would be scarier

[hot anchor]

Suspend even level one would be devastating

[ornate nimbus]

i think its about time we give cerbs mods to play with

every planet shall become a p1 fort

[hot anchor]

Ok what if we leave the normal Colo alone for now?

[fossil lynx]

They should make Cerb having their own loadout for each RS level

Int with Suspend would be 💀

[ornate nimbus]

int with impulse

[worthy sluice]

Phoenix with delta-rocket

[burnt plinth]

I feel like phoenix would have wamp

[lament goblet]

if they won't use it like lones(not use at all)

[zealous pike]

It’s time to have a darker red star

[reef adder]

Or one with a light sense of humor ..

😃

[versed kiln]

Colossus salvage working on all cerbs is definitely interesting, but it feels like that would either make it take forever to take down, or you'd need to put a battleship in great danger just for one colossus.

[hot anchor]

Or kite around like you are supposed to and kill the trash first making it the same total hp as without salvage. This should effect high level players more than low level players because weaker players are already forced to kite

[versed kiln]

That makes it take forever to take down

[worthy sluice]

What if colo's salvage would restore health of all cerberus ships around it after taking damage for several seconds? Like a repair drone, but multi-use and, instead of taking X amount of damage, requires taking damage for X amount of time (100% not a mbatt nerf in disguise)

[versed kiln]

Also, when I was first dealing with colossuses in rs5, I used dual laser, and had the other laser on guardians.

[versed kiln]

That makes it worse to kite around beforehand

[hot anchor]

Ok well firstly I specified salvage in drs not normal rs. Secondly it’s the same exact ttk as currently in drs assuming you start with the trash. And lastly, yeah dude they supposed to be hard not ignorable

[versed kiln]

Good point

[worthy sluice]

5k hp increase won't change much

Changing salvage's behavior back to pre-DN will definitely make it unignorable

[hot anchor]

For rs5-6 yes itll be quite a bit harder. Likely require one more bounce to reset laser again

[burnt plinth]

I like this concept bc anything that makes things more focused on being good at the game instead of just outgunning things makes me like it

[versed kiln]

Having a 20k colossus in rs5-6 I think is too much of a jump in difficulty from rs4, so maybe there should be a weaker colossus for those rs levels that still has the 15k health (a "light colossus"?)

[hot anchor]

Isn’t normal rs 4 player so 12 ships as opposed to 3 in drs? I think they’ll be ok

[burnt plinth]

5k health is less than a guardian, that's effectively just killing a guardian right after it

[hot anchor]

Kinda my point. Guardians are capitals if colo is a capital

[versed kiln]

It's hard to get a full public rs though

[burnt plinth]

even with my WS focused build I didn't struggle soloing a colo at rs5 and 6

[versed kiln]

Said guardian has a laser though

[burnt plinth]

said guardian moves less than half your speed too

[versed kiln]

A 20k colossus is too difficult at rs5-6, not impossible. Yes you can get help from others, but it can be pretty hard to get a public rs with others

[hot anchor]

It’s literally only 25% more hp/ttk

[versed kiln]

I don't think you should have to rely on the chance that others show up

[versed kiln]

Which again, I think is too hard at rs5-6

[hot anchor]

Think you are getting hung up on a level nobody plays in a mode that’s already way too easy

[worthy sluice]

33%

[versed kiln]

At rs7+, it's probably fine

[versed kiln]

New players still have to go through these, and they may be turned away by the difficulty spike

[hot anchor]

Not something we care about as evidenced by rampant smurfing of new players in bls

[versed kiln]

Blue stars are more optional though

[hot anchor]

Well ok 33% more hp but ttk is only 25% longer

[versed kiln]

Why only 25%?

[hot anchor]

Not even close. It’s the single largest hydro income for new players and for a while makes up a large portion of credits

[hot anchor]

20k/15k

[versed kiln]

I guess you would have a laser at that point, so ok

[versed kiln]

Actually you have a point

[hot anchor]

Not divided by but compared too

[versed kiln]

Smurfs don't ruin every match though

[hot anchor]

Most

I haven’t played a single match on the alt without a Smurf

B4 fighting bs6 but this is off topic

[versed kiln]

A 20k colossus is every single time, so trying again with your chances just wastes hydro

[hot anchor]

Alright well we can leave it here. We will not agree. The math speaks for itself. If 5-15 seconds make or break your 10+ min rs I guess it sucks to suck

[versed kiln]

Again, in rs7+, having 20k colossuses may be warranted/necessary. I don't think 20k colossuses belong in rs5-6 though

But yes, we can agree to disagree. This isn't really a game breaker

It does also feel like this change has the possibility of growing on me though

[ornate nimbus]

in rs5-6 people dont have high enough soli yet so 3x emp wamp decoy is most viable

after you get rid of everything else, colos are trivial if you just cycle ships in and out to break ramp, or just decoy

[hot anchor]

I disagree with this so hard but you are defending my point so 🙈

[ornate nimbus]

lol

[versed kiln]

That is also a good point. I started using mbatt + solitude really early, possibly too early depending on how you view it

*+dual laser then as well

[ornate nimbus]

you need decently high mbatt/soli before colo becomes trash

otherwise they deal a fair bit of cumulative damage and tax your shield

[versed kiln]

In rs5, I was using dual laser + impulse shield on the p5s, and in rs6 I swapped the impulse with regen. I used solitude all the time though, and I feel like that greatly helped, but an argument could possibly be made that I started using solitude too early

[mighty linden]

light colossus... from the hit game BATTLESHIP APOLLO?!?!?!

[reef adder]

Yeah still integral free income. Costs 5 min x 2 or 3....once 7 freaking tries🤣

[burnt plinth]

mind you, that lasts maybe, 2 months max?