Adjust hydro requirement for relics in White Star

[rough crow]

@mossy jasper this will discourage fortresses

[mossy jasper]

They just expand the fortress to 2/3 sectors...
Depends on map

Even they did that if the map allowed to do so

E.g P1 and 2 P5s closed to each other

At least it will generate less relics

[rough crow]

at least its better than camping in the only 2 sectors

which is gate and p1

[mossy jasper]

It's kinda boring

[rough crow]

yes

[mossy jasper]

Not to mention about floating shield stacking shenanigans

[rough crow]

in my proposal, it takes about 4.8 times the hydrogen for 20 relics in p1 compared to p10

instead of 2.1 in current one

[mossy jasper]

Definitely better than this yeah

[rough crow]

too many flaws

cant just bring things up as reason to block fixes, or else nothing can be fixed. better to fix things one by one so that problem is erased

[mossy jasper]

Yup

Usually problem arise when being overused

To the point boredom go brr

[rough crow]

yes

[mossy jasper]

Some thinks Miner Mods needs to be tuned down

Like...
If your hydrogen is shit comparing to enemy one. You are guarantee lost if you fail the offense part.

Had a corp get fked by a whale corp where

• Their hydrogen is 40% from enemy one
• Enemy make fortress P1 and uncrackable

😂

Been talking what is the core gameplay style of DN WS

[rough crow]

i like how genrich can stack, but given the circumstances, genrich should go back to 1 per sector like pre-DN

no bonus in any planet

[mossy jasper]

Maybe. That would make Tele/Destiny goes back to Meta

Would be fun

[rough crow]

not that meta since tele takes 8hr and destiny takes 2hr

[mossy jasper]

Mining takes forever thought

[rough crow]

but its much better when 10 ships just decide to camp in 1 sector

[rough crow]

oh and remove the 2-day cooldown

i remember the cooldown for genriched sector is 2 days, so miners can genrich twice per WS

[mossy jasper]

How much roids generated per genesis pre-DN?

[rough crow]

... and it saves energy of WS leaders because they can now stop telling each person to time their genrich to maximize hydro 😂

[rough crow]

2->7, depend on level

[mossy jasper]

🤣

Not that many sadly

We stucks with RM 11 probably

🤔

[rough crow]

if genesis can no longer stack then i would change number of asteroids to 4, like RS and YS

just cut the 2 genrich asteroids in half

[mossy jasper]

While I can see tele/Destiny becomes a nuisance because clearing surrounding RP roids will be a nightmare with pre-DN genrich

[rough crow]

sounds potentially better than 10 leaps into 1 fortress

😂

[mossy jasper]

Moveable fortress yeah

[rough crow]

i mean my proposal for "1 sector, 1 genrich" literally force people to stop making a fortress

[mossy jasper]

It does

It will definitely returns back to Pre-DN

Because Miner Mods are the main reason tbf

[rough crow]

and by some way, it will nerf leaps too because ships move everywhere now

[rough crow]

yeah

[mossy jasper]

Leaps only used to nuke relic drones mostly

Or just delay RP ops

Killing bship is just extra

Using Leap

[rough crow]

leaps can now actually kill relic drones because there isnt 10 blast waiting in the planet to block leaps

who would have thought

[mossy jasper]

Haha

And then multiple leap attack points also headache

E.g leap a to RP5
Leap b to RP1
And so on...

[rough crow]

leaping will also be harder now, since the other side actually moves everywhere (including toward leapers)

[mossy jasper]

Impulse RL can just make a waypoint for leap trigger

And then once their allies leaping.
The RL just leap cancel by Rocket Drone disband and impulse retreat

Because of this. Attacking is risky

With current mech

Wrong position and your RL's rocket becomes enemy leap pet that you can't even disband

But yeah back to hydrogen.

It needs to be tweaked since I think this is the main reason WS DN is different than Pre-DN

[rough crow]

Adjust hydro requirement for relics in White Star

[cunning edge]

Could just remove the multiplier for genesis from p1, gives more reason to not hunker down in that sector more than any other

[rough crow]

i might add that

[rough crow]

didnt turn out well 😂 people love farming p1 i guess

[mossy jasper]

😂 some didn't like the mid field battles as it is highly demanding responsive

[rough crow]

more like camping increase their chance of winning because they all have genrich 15 😂

[mossy jasper]

🤣

HM and Legion match are like that

P1 play and then staring contest

You should see it by yourself 🙂

[rough crow]

bso also

ive seen it

[mossy jasper]

Yup 😄

Turtle go brr

But on other hand, some corps decided to be super aggressive

[rough crow]

yeah

i mean

wayne himself disliked this post so that says a lot

[rough crow]

here it is

camping pro max ultra

[mossy jasper]

~65k P1 👀

100k+ P1 is the real headache

[rough crow]

imagine being the player in this ws

[mossy jasper]

It's boring play but its the safest play they can do without attacking enemies

[rough crow]

"just join ws and setup your genrich and mining boost for the next 48 hours and go to sleep"

[mossy jasper]

Some people loves it because of that "Sleep" leniency

[rough crow]

i mean i cant blame em because i eat my artifact bonus there

[rough crow]

funny how some people hates on loss farms then play as the miner-blastshielder in this kind of ws 🤣

[mossy jasper]

Because their attack method is counter attack

You come into there, they just counter attack by leaping using you to your ops

Hence staring contest in HM vs Legion matches

[rough crow]

who wins more?

[mossy jasper]

Who has the fastest miners wins 🙂

[rough crow]

yeah but who usually win

[onyx turret]

Search Results for __Hinterm Mond__

Regular Ranking:

[60]🔺ELO:1407 Hinterm Mond
Win: 84 Loss: 56 Draw: 0   (60% / 40% / 0%)

Max Relics: 85
Wins (Last 10): 7   (70%)
Wins (Last 25): 16   (64%)
Streak Record: 6
Total Matches: 140

​

||3a4286c6f512d1e0b6d9866b1a1bb0f29abc36fd4a82b7b2cb39df192fce125d||

Recurring Opponents

Legion   (46%)
    Win: 12 Loss: 14 Draw: 0
Stargate Corp   (20%)
    Win: 2 Loss: 8 Draw: 0
BlackStar Order   (30%)
    Win: 3 Loss: 7 Draw: 0
Spacefleet   (67%)
    Win: 6 Loss: 3 Draw: 0
Terranova   (100%)
    Win: 8 Loss: 0 Draw: 0
StarControl   (25%)
    Win: 2 Loss: 6 Draw: 0
Sith Empire   (71%)
    Win: 5 Loss: 2 Draw: 0
ʙᴌᴧᴐᴋ Ṣօᴌᴧᴙɨṣ   (83%)
    Win: 5 Loss: 1 Draw: 0
Continuum   (80%)
    Win: 4 Loss: 1 Draw: 0
русь   (0%)
    Win: 0 Loss: 4 Draw: 0

Match History

✅2025-04-13 72-11 ГОРИЗОНТ
❌2025-04-11 0-44 Stargate Corp
✅2025-04-05 59-26 Legion
✅2025-04-05 45-7 Terranova
❌2025-03-29 13-43 Stargate Corp
✅2025-03-29 56-41 ʙᴌᴧᴐᴋ Ṣօᴌᴧᴙɨṣ
❌2025-03-22 66-99 Legion
✅2025-03-21 70-34 Ender
✅2025-03-15 59-40 Stargate Corp
✅2025-03-14 57-44 Hinterm Mars
❌2025-03-08 61-75 Legion
✅2025-03-08 58-15 Spacefleet
✅2025-03-01 41-19 Order of Hades
✅2025-03-01 36-35 ʙᴌᴧᴐᴋ Ṣօᴌᴧᴙɨṣ
❌2025-02-22 17-54 Legion
✅2025-02-22 55-49 Spacefleet
✅2025-02-16 63-14 Ƭιтαηѕ Ф тєʀʀσƦ
✅2025-02-16 59-27 Ender
❌2025-02-09 68-70 Stargate Corp
❌2025-02-08 8-43 ~~русь ~~
❌2025-02-01 65-71 Continuum
✅2025-02-01 45-28 Legion
❌2025-01-25 46-59 Stargate Corp
✅2025-01-25 85-37 Spacefleet
✅2025-01-18 85-19 Legion
Showing only the last 25 matches

[rough crow]

lmao

"i hate lossfarmers!" proceeds to genrich and set mining mods & turn on blast shields for the next 48 hours then go afk till somebody leaps to p1

[mossy jasper]

🤣

Thast's high/whale WS bracket you got there

You can't attack them, you fucked

you do nothing, you fucked

Except those with Underdog Buff

[rough crow]

what does it buff

[mossy jasper]

+50 Points when obtaining 1 relic

and that's all

Losing gives you 90 instead of 40

[pliant fiber]

buff l10, l10s NEVER get captured like ever and even when they do its theoretically impossible and practically tormenting to defend them.

[sonic hollow]

how about limiting the number of relics that can be collected from a planet? to like 8, maybe?
the level of planet will affect hydro/relic efficiency

[rough crow]

lol sounds so simple

i like it

[sonic hollow]

well

since capturing one planet won't win against teams that capture 1+ planet

[rough crow]

i dont even need a different h2 requirement for each relic stages

just put like

[pliant fiber]

mmmm, no

[sonic hollow]

we do actually

[rough crow]

if cap is like 10 relics, why do we even need it

[pliant fiber]

I can see some intense positions where youre trying to squeeze the last relic out of your rp taht owuld be prevented if you limited planet wise relics

[rough crow]

what

[sonic hollow]

1-2 : x hydro
3-5: y hydro
6-8: z hydro
x < y < z

[rough crow]

just do like

p1 1000 h2, 10 relics cap
p5 500 h2, 20 relics cap
p10 200 h2, 30 relics cap

or something like that, adjustable numbers

[pliant fiber]

also, its more than just relic efficency why people do the p1 strat, one reason is a shieldmod which name starts with "f"

[pliant fiber]

with a set limit, results of battles are more predetermined

[rough crow]

and thats why there should be cap to not spawn "f" in the p1

[sonic hollow]

you can't ban that

[pliant fiber]

yes and nerf some defense meta

[sonic hollow]

it's by design

[rough crow]

am not banning that

your restricting relic idea is good

to stop people from spamming the shield in 1 sector

[pliant fiber]

p1 having significantly more defense than p5s or 10s is intended. Being completely impenetrable inst

although, I dont believe p1 forts are completely "undefeatable" if hard to get through at all

more like the ppl complaining may or may not play suboptimally aka theyre idiots

[sonic hollow]

the idea of limiting relics is to make more competition - you cannot win just by fortifying just one planet. Capturing as many planets as possible will solve the strat of def-ing only p1

therefore, the output of a match will have to depend on the work of defending/capturing multiple planets, not just one

making it more... unpredictable?

[rough crow]

lmao until you see legion and hinterm mond be putting up the trench war and see whoever can leap the most into the other p1

[sonic hollow]

not to mention that would give strategizing an even greater depth

[pliant fiber]

again, I dont believe p1s are theoretically undefeatable and you still should get a major advantage with controlling more than one planet.

Limiting relics per planet makes competition more predetermined. If I see in the middle of the game, a scenario - I control 2 planets but my opponent controls only one and the others are too far away, so I will win whether or not whatever happens

[sonic hollow]

therefore your team should make it a target.

[pliant fiber]

or you could go for the p5 if your opponent goes for 1. Again, legion and hintern are a very special case of 20 maxxed level players going at each other with little to no inaccuracy, they represent for the very small, top 1-5% of players

[rough crow]

i dont think they represent top 1-5% of players at this point... they hold the highest artifact boost and many smaller corps got discouraged because of no rewards

[sonic hollow]

what I'm trying to say is that I object to getting relics from just one - or two main planets. Why bother spawning so many of them if players aren't interested?

[pliant fiber]

Lets make the scenario even more clear. I have a planet that can produce 5 more relics. My opponent has a planet which can produce 4 more relics only and all other planets are too far or depleted. We are at the same amount of relics.

IF theres no limit, then the outcome is still undetermined. SInce, there is a limit, it is predetermined

[pliant fiber]

wdym

[sonic hollow]

then your team should try to capture more planets

[pliant fiber]

I agree, but limiting relics causes problems

[rough crow]

a little bit out of topic but, do you think that p1 should have the least amount of hydrogen needed per relic and p10 needs the most? of course the cap for amount of relics in p1 is less than p10. it encourages new players

[sonic hollow]

to maximize relic outcome for a win

[pliant fiber]

I said, all other planets are depleted or too far

[rough crow]

i think they represent up to 30-50% of the active corps in white star at this point

even the mid tier corps are starting to go that way

nobody really dares to go to p10 anymore

[pliant fiber]

and a singular planet is just for example. My opponent can have 3 planets with a total of 25 available relics. I can have 3 with 28 available.

[sonic hollow]

that's why we have rush for ts. As for reaching to them, that should be planned in preparation period.

[pliant fiber]

its not the point

[rough crow]

planets being too far is partly the reason why p10 should be buffed

by making colonizing p1 and p5 less worth it

[sonic hollow]

pretty much every ws match results are predetermined if everything can no longer be affected my our / opponent's team. What's the differences?

[pliant fiber]

I said it first

[rough crow]

yeah am just saying it again

[pliant fiber]

The difference is that miners make a difference

how you mine, how much hydro you generate, makes a difference if planets arent limited

in your ideal ws, miners cant make a difference on their own, battleships have to do all the work of denying and capturing relics

at a high enough level, you may even start overproducing hydrogen

[sonic hollow]

oooooohhh I see

[pliant fiber]

and if you cater to the high level miners, it has no impact for the low level miners

[sonic hollow]

I think what you said just made senses, just in a different way for me

[rough crow]

yeah miners should also have their own strength

[sonic hollow]

to maximize hydro output, miners will go to the nearest p10, or maybe go to p5 to genrich and start genriching + defending

that's literally guessing enemy's moves

[pliant fiber]

I meant, tech and activity wise, they distinguish themelf into like a 1 in a 100 corp

[pliant fiber]

theyre still limited by the higher tier planets limit and high level planets may be unviable anyways because there is another big factor of actually capturing and defending them

[sonic hollow]

uhhh so go there from the start?

idk

lemme think for a bit

[pliant fiber]

I mean, with the current meta shilling for attack roles, people almost never go for the p10 and even choose p1s over the p5s just to be able to comfortably defend their minining operation

you need a big shift in the entire meta if you want to make p10s viable

[pliant fiber]

when you go, wont make a difference. P10s are always harder, extremely hard, to defend

[sonic hollow]

that's if the majority of firepower goes to them. If opponent does that in my scenario, that may leave other planets underdefended

therefore creating weaknesses

[pliant fiber]

nah thats not how it works

[sonic hollow]

so tell me

if

[pliant fiber]

4 ships is enough to bombard a p10 in any case

[sonic hollow]

each planet can generate 8 relics

and hydro efficiency for p1 < p5 < p10

[pliant fiber]

Not to mention how risky it is going for that p10. If you manage to defend, you get all the relics. If you dont defend good enough, your entire operation fails

[sonic hollow]

your opponents goes for, let's say, 4 planets

what would your team do?

[sonic hollow]

1p1, 2p5, 1p10

[pliant fiber]

go for a p5 or p1

and send out 4-6 ships to devestate their mining operation

going for 4 planets means you have to station defense ships at every one

[sonic hollow]

not really, some can be used as baits

that distracts some attackers

[pliant fiber]

so not only do they get far less attacking oppurtunity, they have to -

[pliant fiber]

give away free miners? never heard of that

Sacrificing miners isnt really a thing, at least not in the current meta

plus without a battleship, I could just send a rocket drone or delta rocket. Or a single battleship do a quick fly by with impulse

[sonic hollow]

idea is that the more firepower are distracted, the easier it is to break into a team's defenses

but youre right though

[pliant fiber]

free miner for like 6 hours of my battleship. Thats a good trade

[fervent ice]

This suggestion is great 👍 Very well considered. It seems like this was the original intention behind ws changes but they just didn't balance the numbers properly.

Teams should have to use multiple planets to get enough relics for the win

[rough crow]

devs doubled down on my suggestion and decided to 10x my adjustment for p1

[sonic hollow]

I think they meant L10

[rough crow]

my original suggestion for those lazy scrolling

[topaz leaf]

can you make a suggestion to give Dr Pingus all module blueprints and max planet levels

your suggestions seem to get added

[rough crow]

what do you mean? its not like devs decided to implement my nerf suspend in bls suggestion after just a few days, or that my ship module sets got #1 popular, or this one

[median lily]

dev released update, but i still do not understand why first 3relics on p1 cost less than first 3 on p5.
not significant but if encourraging higher level planet isnt it more logical to have opposite? p1 =250, p5 =100, p10=50?

[median lily]

numbers like 5000, 20000, 50000 and 100000, just rediculus. it is theoretically possible to gather 100000 hydro, even 200000 actualy on p1 if you have 10miners with lvl15 genezis and lvl15 enrich and with no limitation on max hydrogen per asteroid as it is now. otherwise it almost unreachable. so what is the point to have it? it just like remove possibility for p1 and p5 to create more than 3 relics.
so in the game with similar opponents if both will manage to get p1 and both p5,( which will be easier now for high level drones who can load 3 relics in approx 6-9 hours) and will not manage to get p10 because it will be actively protected/destroyed, we can end upnwith more games scored as 9 :9 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[rough crow]

maybe its to support very weak corps to earn at least 3 relics

regardless its still bad to see first 3 relics in p5 having higher reqs than p1. its better to do something similar to my suggestion

[median lily]

can you pin you suggestion? cannot find it 🤣

[arctic oxide]

it's a temporary hotfix while they address the fundamental issue with the game. It's a trivial update to adjust the values whch can be done server side versus a fundamental code update that would require rolling new apps out to everyone if they put a hard limit on relic generation.

The intention - I believe - is to eventually change it so each sector can only have one genesis and one enrich activation..

[median lily]

i do not think so. if only 1 genezis and 1 enrich, it will not be possible to create enought hydro to generate even basic number of relics.
if we have 10vs 10 and only 5 miners can gen/enrich, so other 5 will be transports?

[arctic oxide]

most teams were using 10 miners to genrich their sectors, which is why we ended up with 150k hydro

[median lily]

weak corp can generate 3 relics on p1 even if it will cost 250 ))))
5 days is enough even to gather without gen/enrich

[rough crow]

suggestion for those lazy scrolling

[arctic oxide]

another option is to limit asteroids to 1500h like in all other star types

[rough crow]

there i wrote it big 🤣

[rough crow]

andreas seem to really hate how big corps camp at p1

besides them corps are gonna fight over who have bonus anyway

[median lily]

because of p1 I assume.
assuming that all 10 miners have lvl 12 gen/enrich, they can generate 33690 on p1
if you will send 7 miners same level to p5 you will get only 26505
so yeah, make sense to gen/enrich p1

[median lily]

probably better to pin it?

[rough crow]

i cant pin messages in suggestion

[median lily]

ahhh, too bad 🙁

[arctic oxide]

not really, because you need to get that hydro to a P10

[rough crow]

the limit of asteroids in a sector is 14

[median lily]

true, but it still more safer to gen/enrich p1 and aftr that move 5 transports and 5 best miners to p10

[rough crow]

that means you can only genesis 7 times maximum in 1 sector

[rough crow]

that is exactly the problem

[median lily]

yes i take this into account.
my number based on 7 genezisis and 10 enrich

[rough crow]

because its easier to grind out p1 so big corps decided to camp there. while white star is made for both combat and farming

[median lily]

so solution to lower factor for p1

and icrease factor for p5

[rough crow]

factor?

[median lily]

planet related mining factor whic x2 for p1 and only x3 fo p5

[rough crow]

then they will move to p5 and both corps are still half a map apart from each other. and they still wont fight

[median lily]

i am not even considering to genez/enrich p10. with comparable opponents it is impossible almost

[arctic oxide]

the developer has stated it is their intention to force players to have to play in the P10 sectors if they want to win

[median lily]

as far as you can teleport inside barrier, destiny plus bond there to destroy miner it is very hard to protect p10

[rough crow]

better than 10 of them camping at p1 far far away with your corp having absolutely no chance to get near them

[median lily]

if that is intension, so why not just to leave one planet? 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[arctic oxide]

the P1 is there so players can pick up their participation award

[median lily]

even when you have 2 planets still chance they will farm own ))))

pwrticipation award granted just if you left initial sector with baseship

so no need to farm even

[rough crow]

relic and hydro award too

[arctic oxide]

if the p10 is so hard then those 3 relics could be the ones that decide the game

the insurance policy

[median lily]

which is much worst than before, when you need to fill some scale to get point for loose

[arctic oxide]

both teams have got to fight for a p10 and you are focused on hard it is to protect your miners

but the same applies to their miners

[rough crow]

i mean i agree with you with that one

i wanted old ws back

[arctic oxide]

go blow up ther squishies

[rough crow]

it was perfect

but its not like its going to be back lol

[median lily]

only forward

[mild bolt]

Watching the Hades community completely melt down after complaining about turtling for over a year is chef kiss

Guys, you literally asked for this. Enjoy your moment.

[rough crow]

7 dislikes really says stuff