blue star matchmaking balance pls!

[fast oar]

The way yall have this is just unfair for people who have just started or haven't been playing long.

[fast oar]

https://www.xbox.com/play/media/zEjtaDWVmF

That's not what I wanted 😕

That's better.

This should not happen 😑.

400+ in a 50

👎

[knotty flower]

Unfortunately game devs don't seem to care about bls balancing, otherwise an easy fix would have been placed by now

I faced a 300+ and a TOP TEN in my bls

[topaz maple]

Player level is meaningless, bls is about mod levels.
New players always make this mistake.

[fast oar]

Not for matching but higher level does mean higher tier arts while we who have started out cant compete with a rocket that one shots.

So what I said is still valid.

But I've had the discussion about the mechanics of blues in another forum channel already.
There was lots I didn't know.

[topaz maple]

Not valid. You can get most of those mods when you're rs4, because having 8 ton ts means you can get most of those mods yourself. Getting high level mods isn't really difficult for a lot of mods.
It takes around 4 months to get massbatt10 blueprints.
I've tested it with my alt. From a hs perspective, getting stronger is much faster in dn.

[fast oar]

Darts are lvl 6 the good drones are 8 I think. It is definitely fair to say higher lvl equates to stronger tech.

And it takes time or money never said it was hard to get the arts

Getting the mods wasn't what was in question.

Honestly it would just be as simple as to say hey let get one in chat. But I don't want to be a feed me bi***.

[topaz maple]

Rs7 takes around 3 months to reach.
Dart1 used to be a 4million credits mod. Now it's 20k or less. Mods are stupid cheap in dn.
You not researching those mods (which is fine) is a choice. Lots of players on your lvl do have those mods. This equals the playing field a lot.
Lvl is meaningless in bls. Mod levels and skill is what matters.

[fast oar]

Yes 4 months I've been playing for about 2 and a half weeks I'm on every day to research.

I'm t3 bs with mostly t5 stuff some lvl 6. It takes 3days for planets to upgrade.

But none of that changes the fact that a 400+ is going to have spent a really long time or some money and is going to have stronger stuff.

Or fact you trade or get given the stuff.

I get that matching is bases off modules it was explained to me in detail in the other chat.

Agian getting the modules wasn't the issue.

[topaz maple]

My alt had this before lvl40.
I never changed the build.

[fast oar]

I'm almost to 6 when I can get the darts just about a week left.

[topaz maple]

What I'm saying is, yes, they have different mods but you can also have them really easy. This wasn't possible before.
You're talking about mostly lvl1 mods in your tier.

[fast oar]

I've had the conversation about intentionally leaving the lvls low.

As I said it was explained to me already.

[topaz maple]

Depending on your tonnage, you can have dart in a few days research time. I can literally give you one decent weapon art and you have dart1 bp once the art is researched.

[fast oar]

For the 4th time getting isn't the issue.

[topaz maple]

Dart is a 7ton rs8 mod.

[fast oar]

Is it the other way round 🤔 fair enough. I'm further away then.

[topaz maple]

Simple. You complain because high lvl players have mods you can't earn yourself, but can easily get. You choose to not accept those arts. You're not asking, people are more than happy to share.
Your personal choice is no reason to complain about lvl difference. It would be different if you weren't able to get the mods.
I play bls in every tier. I'm telling you from lots of experience that lvl is meaningless. I win and lose from higher and lower lvls.
The problem you have is based on people abusing the system.
That's a whole different thing.

[fast oar]

If you say so

[topaz maple]

Once you're able to carry 8 tons, you can research rs9 arts. That's over 80% of the mods in the game.

I know the real beginning is though but that's mostly over in 2 months or less. Does require a bit of smart playing but most of it gets solved by simply growing. Regardless of available mods.

In the highest tier bls the difference can be 300 lvls but it simple doesn't matter that much anymore.

Friendly advice: having problems with dart? Decent lvl massbatt is your friend.

[fast oar]

You are missing my point but that's ok.

[topaz maple]

No, I'm not.
I'm just speaking from 3,5 years of experience, so I guess I know nothing about this game. While you, just starting out, seem to know everything about this game.

It's unfair, they have higher levels so they have better mods than me.. while being absolutely clueless how those "better" mods actually work.

The best mods in this game are massbatt, regen shield and solitude. Even works in bls.
Guess what, those are low tier mods that you can earn for yourself.

You're just one of many noobs that refuse to adapt and just complain about higher lvls in the game, while refusing to accept the fact that more than 1 player with years of experience tried to explain. Lvl is meaningless!

[fast oar]

What ever you say my guy. Gg you win I give lol

[fast oar]

I guess thats what you wanted to hear cuz you haven't said anything else.

[fathom bison]

There will always be smurfs in pvp. It is flawed mm

Only way to fix mm is to remove it and give everyone lones. And just have fixed matches corp v corp

[topaz maple]

It's called "I haven't got fux to give anymore."

[fast oar]

This concept for pvp games is nothing new I've a fair bit of experience with games just like this. Vega conflict, igw the old and the re release. And many more. So it's no surprise when they come in trash talking when you call for a reasonable balancing.

[fathom bison]

The only way to have fair mm is with fixed loadouts in pvp

[fast oar]

Not sure what you mean by mm sorry.

Also anyone else get the bug where your modules bar will disappear in blue stars? It will just go poof and I have to go out and go back in.

[fathom bison]

MM is shorthand for matchmaker

The only time experienced balanced matchmaking in hades and other games is when you don't have variables in equipment. When it comes down to just skill. So by removing loadouts and just having fixed options, or like in DN beta have them maxed then you experience "fair" play

[fast oar]

I feel as though it wouldn't be too hard to tweak some stuff.

Honestly not too big of a problem it just takes time or money. I chose time so it's going to be a bit

[fathom bison]

Balancing has been an issue since it was introduced

[fast oar]

It is so with many of these types of games it's Nothing new

[fathom bison]

Yeah, much harder to pull off in mmos like hs

HS is more of an rpg adding to the problem

[fast oar]

It might just be as simple as making it to where even if you got higher tier stuff via gift or trade not usable until you have the rs lvl associated. Then make matchmaking based off your rs lvl.

[fathom bison]

Might be an idea.

[fast oar]

To me that's what seams to be the problem. I have a 9k hull and the rocket drone nearly two shots me from across the map, super quickly with an Insane recharge like 5 Seconds to continue shooting across the map.
Paired with the impulse shield and they just steam roll me. I'm seeing alot of the let me turn my ship into a nuke and blow up half the map modules lately too.

[fathom bison]

Good ol veng, yeah it is rough out there for new players in bls

There is a sweet spot of balance play in certain upgrade levels

But with so many variations it is short lived

[topaz maple]

Sounds familiar. 😆

[fast oar]

Like what am I supposed to do against that

[topaz maple]

You probably solved that problem by the time you're able to match it.

About the big boy mods for lower players:
Ever noticed the videos that show a mod when you select a mod?
Noticed how many of those have low lvl bs with a high rs lvl mod?
Somehow it seems the intention that low lvl players can use those mods.

[light storm]

Rocket drone has 12s reload, nothing can affect it

[fast oar]

That's still too fast for the amount of dmg it can do

[light storm]

Can do or, most likely, can be intercepted or dodged 🤷‍♂️

[topaz maple]

My rocket drone12 does 3k damage. That's not much.
Combined with wamp12 it's 9,6k damage, which is much.
But to answer your question what to do against it:
Just move away. Simple as that.

[ashen olive]

damn thats CrAzY

[topaz maple]

Rocket drone actually has multiple counters. Wamp, barrier, rocket drone, closing the gap, increasing the gap, a sector of cerbs to use as cover,..
You can complain about it all you want, but you not being able to deal with it is not a reason to complain about it. There's enough you can do.

[ashen olive]

not accepting that the bls matchmaking is broken, yeah new player are so bad its their fault

go and start a new account from the beginning and youll know

[topaz maple]

Never said the matchmaking isn't broken.

And I did start a new account to see for myself, so that argument doesn't work on me. I play in every tier of bls.

What I said was that level is basically meaningless and now I'm saying that complaining about powerful mods is a skill issue because those mods have counters.
New players can complain that "it's not fair that I get beaten by more experienced players", but that's just ridiculous. Do you guys really expect that you should be able to win the moment you start a game? Like, no learning curve or skillset required?
Because most of the complaints are basically hinting towards this. Everything is overpowered, the wrong lvl or whatever reason to call it unfair.

"The game must adapt to my personal likings. Fuck everyone else. This game is about me!"

I got news for you. New players are complaining like this for years and nothing gets solved. The matchmaking is still a problem.
This gives 3 options.
1: The solution isn't easy at all because Andreas isn't dumb, probably far from it.
2: The player pool isn't big enough.
3: It's intended to be like this. This game is meant for people who take the time and effort to get good at it. It takes years of build up to get to a certain lvl.

If you're here for an easy game with fast results, this isn't the game for you. It took me 3 years to go from hunted to hunter. Now in DN this can be done much faster but it still requires commitment, planning and skill.

[fast oar]

I'm not complaining was simply asking wtf I'm supposed to do. And believe I am all to aware how how not easy this is.

Granted I'm making it harder by not asking for things.

Yes they have counters but some.of those is still locked behind rs lvl that I can't get to yet.

You assume I'm new to these games that's false. You assume I'm just some inexperienced noob who's never played a video game ever false.

It was never about experience all I asked for was balance your only talking chit because you like how it is now and that fine.

It is unfair to go against stuff that's simply not able to be attained at my current lvl that's just a fact. I've already agreed that it takes time or money I choose time.

But you over looked that. Someone at lvl 5 shouldn't have to fight rs 10+ with bs hp at least twice as much.

You like picking on the little guys don't you eh?

So things shouldn't change because it's your personal opinion that it's fine the way it is hum...

You think is is skill based go play Vega conflict if you want a test of skills.

[knotty flower]

Funny especially if you deploy that in the smaller circles where moving away kills you or sends you to cerbs👍👍

[knotty flower]

And anyways you could rush diplo and give yourself progressively better mods (according to cargo cap) and that eventually leads to overpowered mods on a new alt

[fast oar]

I'd just feel as if I didn't earn it if I just got them from other person

But that's a me thing

[knotty flower]

If you earned arts from a player, then your right
If you ask for them, then you have good allies

[fast oar]

No matter the case its just not an available option at this time to raise the lvl I'm almost there though.

[knotty flower]

However to make an alt, and rush mod levels and then to complain to those suffering is just like a dictator complaining of his own wealth

[knotty flower]

That isn't your fault

[fast oar]

I'm convinced that guy just wants to talk chit

[knotty flower]

Same

[fast oar]

Which is fine I've encountered many that's just the same in every game I play

It's nothing new

[knotty flower]

The only counter for these guys are anti-smurf builds

[topaz maple]

A lot of wrong assumptions.
1: at my level I don't have to deal with your problems. Those problems don't effect my gameplay the slightest bit. All I did was saying that lvl is meaningless. I even took some effort to give you tips.
2: I assume you're new to this game. Never said anything about other games.
3: I'm not picking on you, I'm giving you a reality check.
4: I never said that things shouldn't change, I said you should adapt to the game in stead of expecting the opposite.

If you try to "fight" me, use facts.

Stop crying about unfair and spend that energy to grow and git gud.
You really don't seem to understand that I, and many other players, was a noob myself. I've been in your position.
Even worse, I did it twice.

[fast oar]

I've looked into a few but I just haven't had the time to get them as it's days per planet to get the cap to be able to lvl

[knotty flower]

Here is one for you (and for everyone else)
Mbatt - impulse - emp - (either decoy or repair

Simple yet effective

[fast oar]

Not a fan of the decoy

[knotty flower]

Then repair should do the trick

Just send repair drone before engaging single target ships

They target the drone tanking you and repairs lost hp

[fast oar]

Decoy is the only one I can unlock atm for drones

[knotty flower]

Oh

Then I guess that's the one your forced with :/

What's your rss level

[fast oar]

I think the repair is coming up next lvl if I'm not mistaken. I should have the cap needed to lvl tomorrow as my planets are upgrading

5

[knotty flower]

Ah your not far from me

6

If you can, ask a corpmate for lvl6 drone mods

[topaz maple]

Sure, but so can you with the help of others. As mentioned, the mod explanation videos seem to suggest that option. It's probably the reason why most mods are easy to carry at low rs level while also be able to afford it.

[knotty flower]

In this case it is a choice made by the other party to help you, which is separate from rushing yourself to level 7+ RS mods

[knotty flower]

And anyways people don't like freeloaders

[topaz maple]

Nope. But that's what we call people asking for it. Not people that try to play the game and accept the help that's offered by others. Big difference.

Most bigger players drown in arts. You're probably helping them to make space on their planets.
It's one of the reasons why I share arts with lower lvl players.

[fast oar]

Some people don't want to free load and to make it out like it's just that simple and then talk chit when someone asked for balance is a bit unreasonable.

It's simply unrealistic to think that lower lvls can compete with those that have 3 times thier lvl in gear. As simply put I haven't had the time needed for them.

[knotty flower]

Btw I have experience with that

Faced a guy in a ws who had a passive shield basically as strong as my ship's armor

[fast oar]

And as I explained to you the mechanics where explained to me. But you didn't hear that part.

[topaz maple]

Most of my alts bls runs are done with the rs build. That's massbatt, regen, solitude. Low rs level mods that are essential in this game.

[fast oar]

And then I agreed with you that it takes time multiple times now

[knotty flower]

Kinda sad to have to see a bs 3 (now 4) to face lvl6

[knotty flower]

And your main?

[knotty flower]

And anyways one can always salvage those arts for a simple art drain and some creds, and at that level when your drowning in arts, you will eventually get to rs12 with it

[topaz maple]

I didn't talk shit about your question for balance. You're literally making up that up and that tells me a lot about you.
Again, I told you that player level itself is meaningless.
It's about mod levels and skills.

You keep talking about freeloaders and funny enough, I get that. There's nothing wrong about earning your own stuff, but there's also nothing wrong about accepting help from others. Accepting help might even benefit the corp.

No, I didn't hear the part about mechanics, I read it. I even read the topic.

[topaz maple]

This is my main. It's top tier and competes against the biggest players.

[knotty flower]

Player level reflects game experience hence the higher the levels the more experienced the player so to face a 300+ player as less than 100 is absurd

[knotty flower]

And we only mentioned freeloaders once or twice

[topaz maple]

Yes and no. I'm currently lvl592 and that could be much higher if I would bother with manual shitments.
In hs, player level was the result of art research, shipments, planet upgrades, achievements and if I remember correctly objectives.

[knotty flower]

I can see the yes part but where is the no?

You can't get a high player level without alot of experience in the game

Research you need rs

[topaz maple]

You can get levels without touching red stars, blue stars or white stars. Purely based on shipments and planet upgrades. That's the no.

[knotty flower]

Then your mod levels are level 1

And no one wants that

So no one does it

Imagine a bs level 6 but level 1 mods

[topaz maple]

And you're wrong. Bls is full with players using lvl1 mods.

It's what we call smurfs. A bs5 or 6 full of lvl1 mods to abuse the point system so they can match beginning players with small battleships.

Just check the bls leaderboard to see for yourself.

[fast oar]

Oh you're a noob who knows nothing about the game, oh your just complaining do I need to go on?

You have done nothing but chit talk bud since you got here. And also it's not just about what you're saying it's how you're saying it.

[knotty flower]

thank you ik what a smurf is, and the entire community hates them
also I would love to continue debating with you but i haven't got the time nor the energy to continue arguing with u especially since your trying to justify what cant be
like witnessing a Death star kill someone with a stick, see them complain and complain about the complaint
if you wanna continue arguing, then Ill simply talk to you later

[topaz maple]

https://tenor.com/view/worlds-smallest-violin-gif-5483162470872335003

[fast oar]

Point proved 👌 lol

Also meaningless isn't meaning none btw

[topaz maple]

Sure dude. Because a mod that you can't unlock atm must be a death star... ffs. Play a few years, get experience with those mods, than come back.

[fast oar]

You say years like it is a short amount of time

[topaz maple]

And yes, I call you a noob that doesn't know much. You can't know much because you haven't experienced it yourself.

And yes, in this game, 2 years is short! I play with people who started in 2017.

[fast oar]

Two year is a long time for any game

[topaz maple]

It's definitely not in this game.
You did a good job if you reach rs9 with minimum mod levels in a year time.
I'm currently doing 16 day upgrades. And it can be worse.

[fast oar]

And to simply ask for a better way is complaining ok if you say so.

Much worse a ship in Vega takes 3 months

I know all too well the amount of time it takes in these games.

[topaz maple]

This started with you complaining about player levels.
Out of all reasons to complain about matchmaking, which is a problem, you choose the worst example.

"The way yall have this is just unfair for people who have just started or haven't been playing long."

This isn't a suggestion, it's a complaint.

[fast oar]

It's a fair assessment

It's unfair for a lvl 7 mod to be up against a lvl 1 mod of higher tier that has twice as much dmg that no matter what you do It's just going to one shot you

Fact

It isn't the lower rs mods that's the problem I have an do use those.

[topaz maple]

It's unfair for people who just started out really sounds like I want to be able to be just as capable as everyone who played for a while.
Imagine, just imagine that you have to take time and effort to get decent at a game. Imagine that you have to unlock or learn something.
It's not fair..

Seriously, what kind of messed up time do we live in.

[fast oar]

No it's asking to have a fighting chance.

Until I've had the time to get established.

As we have both said it takes time. Years. Years don't happen over night do they?

[topaz maple]

It's not unfair. It's done to filter out people who aren't capable of enduring set backs.
Those people are probably not the people that should play this game, because the people that stick with it overcame the set backs.

[fast oar]

I'm still here aren't i?

As I said I know how it is

[topaz maple]

Let's see if you'll reach rs9.

[fast oar]

Ok

See ya soon...ish

There you go assuming you know me again 😆 🤣

[knotty flower]

If that was the point the game would have died

No new players leaves the old ones bored making even them leave

This is the thing your complaining about that were complaining about

And this

So if you think this isn't a problem, then you are the problem

[topaz maple]

I know one of those players so I'm definitely the problem because I want him to destroy you every chance he gets, until you simply disappear or stop being a little female dog.
Hell, at this moment I'm disappointed that my mods don't allow a build like that because I would quit everything in real life, just to spend days on end hunting you.

Got any better lame excuses for being absolutely shit at the game? Git gud!

[knotty flower]

Ah yes, it is a problem with skill when a player exploits the system just so he can wipe lobbies for no reason with a level 9 venge and a level 1 tp
You're the problem with the game, you trash talk and overall you seem chronically online on the game, and a bad person. I hope you have a bad life : )

Like imagine going thru that much effort to kill somth in a video game that grants you no rl rewards and really just wasts your time

[knotty flower]

And I'm disappointed by the way you want to kill the game

And anyways, bls isn't core to the game so really idc if I get hunted in them

My bs returns home and it repairs and I be on my merry way

And even if you try, you don't know my in-game name making it impossible to get to me

You had a chance for a decent argument and you threw it away just to drop down a couple of levels

But oh well, looks like it ain't worth it

Au revoir

[topaz maple]

You can try every lame attempt to talk me down, I truly have 0 fux to give. You have no value whatsoever to me.
Hoping I have a bad life because you don't like my opinion simply proves what I suspected. You're a weak individual that complains and complains and seeks all kind of excuses because you suck. Simply refusing to adept and going out of your way to adept the game because you're self entitled narrow mind really thinks that's how life works.
I wish you good luck on your endeavor to nowhere.

I'll say it again. Git gud!

[topaz maple]

I don't want to kill the game, I'm actually a big supporter and do quite a lot to help out the community. I even spent time and effort to give advice in this topic. But you guys simply refuse the advice.
Hence, you suck at the game.

[knotty flower]

Give me one solution to fight a level 9 veng in the final circle with only level 7 mods max

[topaz maple]

It's really sad that you don't know that because that means you can't handle a lone battleship.
Besides that, I'm done giving advice to you. It's an absolute waste of time.

[knotty flower]

Difference between a lone bs and a lvl 6 ship with emp, barrier, veng, decoy, dart, and impulse shield

A lone bs might kill itself and shows no skill

A high level player however can easily stop us thru his mods

Barrier and we can't get out of red zone

And that veng insta kills due to it being high level

[topaz maple]

I'm happy that you get destroyed by them. It can't happen often enough.

[knotty flower]

I see smurfs a lot more often than u think

Anyways I have rl to attend to

[topaz maple]

Than I suggest you start taking medication because you're hallucinating.

[dreamy vector]

he's right. i do meet at least 1 smurf every 2 rounds

[dim sequoia]

Alpha
WAMP RD
Laser(level 10 alpha and below)
Dart
Blast shield
Omega (larger shield health for burst damage)
Solitude (level 10 alpha and below)
Teleport (actually the best counter (I know I use and alpha/veng build) all you have to do is teleport exactly at 5 seconds it’s impossible to follow)
Destiny (works well with teleport to land) (simple use same as leap)
Barrier/emp (red zone)
Vengeance
Delta rocket
(Optionally leap/bond/laser turret
Used like destiny/barrier/laser)

Is a probed I also think it should be fixed
Just sayin
Also you guys need to calm tf down

[dreamy vector]

i read all the convos above, so i'd like to make a opinion to not make both old & new players feel uncomfortable about the smurf thing:

as someone who played this game for a very long time and is having a newbie alt, i can confirm that smurfs are very hard to beat. sometimes its ridiculous that some lvl 1 high tier modules are so strong (-40% dmg and -25% speed of everything in an 240AU area for a lvl 1 suspend is crazy).

still, if new players got the chance to come up here and complain about bls, you guys can just ask other people to get high lvl artifacts to compete back with smurfs

a nice way to fix smurfing problem is nerfing low lvl modules' stats, like suspend that i mentioned above, or dart (4k1 for lvl 1)

[dim sequoia]

Bros typing for so long
Just building anticipation

I’m not reading all that! (Just kidding)

[topaz maple]

I'm aware. Got an alt.
If you read back you can see that I agreed about the matchmaking problem, but also said that player lvl itself is meaningless. I also suggested researching higher lvl arts.
Somehow this got turned around into me liking this matchmaking thing and by now I absolutely like it when it means it pisses them off.
These guys don't want advice, they want the game to adept to them.

We've been in a similar position ourselves. I got hunted by much bigger bs that paired weak batt with veng. At a certain point the bls score for weak batt was increased so smurfs started using dart1.
It's actually easier nowadays. Simply because something like dart1 used to cost 4 million credits to unlock. Now it's 20k or less. Once you can carry 8tons, you're able to carry the arts needed to unlock most mods. We didn't have that option. We just grew bigger until we reached the point where smurfs weren't a big deal. Just to get absolutely destroyed by a whale. 😆

[dim sequoia]

It does only take about a month to get past the bls smurf danger level

Still smurfing is smurfing
I’m not advocating for the smurfs either

[topaz maple]

Yes. But that one month is far too much to ask. That takes forever which isn't fair..

[dim sequoia]

Compared to the 4 years it will take people to get to drs12 …….

[dreamy vector]

to be fair, i dont blame them for complaining a lot about the matchmaking thing. after all, it has always been the top reason why players quit this game.

many modules have been nerfed like time warp and bond (though some broken modules still exist like dart and now suspend emerges). however its easier to get rid of smurfs.

get mass 6, impulse shield 6, emp 1 (or fortify 1), decoy 1. there. all low tier modules, and can probably snap all average smurfs

[topaz maple]

If you read back you see that I agree with you. But that's not the mindset of these guys. They want it now!

[dim sequoia]

I know
I did
I always read all (most is garbage but I need to understand everything)

[dreamy vector]

whats funny here is that andreas and devs refuse to fix this problem...

[dim sequoia]

Just base it off tech/influence level
Far as I’m concerned if a Smurf is smurfing surely they are higher leveled/ have access to more
Still a decent challenge for a small team but definitely possible especially as the number 1 requested thing

[topaz maple]

Yep. I've placed some suggestions. Not good enough. The game must change.

I could actually understand Andreas if he simply ignored it because most new and especially young players don't last 6 months in this game. It's simply not fast enough.
The average age of DN players is probably 30+. A whole different playerbase compared to most games.

[dreamy vector]

funny that many kids' patience these days are at rock bottom

...speaking from someone who's still so young. to be fair, i am not even 18

[dim sequoia]

16 😦 I’m gonna be so old by drs12

(Edit I will get there no matter what)

[dreamy vector]

😂🤝

i invited many friends to play and they just quit because shipment took so long

[topaz maple]

They actually made a bunch of mods easy to get. The videos you see when you select a mod show a lot of small bs with high rs level mods. This suggests that it's intentional.

Iirc a lot of the matchmaking is a small player base problem.
And yes, people abusing mod lvls to their advantage. Which has been the case since I started playing this game.

I'm pretty confident that it's not an easy fix or that it's somewhat intentional because it's been a problem for a while.
The devs spend an awful lot of time and effort to create dn out of hs. Lots of details got changed. This wasn't easy.
It's safe to assume that this problem had some attention, which makes intentional a plausible option.

[dim sequoia]

Weren’t bls bad before dn
Like it cost you a battleship to get 2nd

[topaz maple]

Bls was worse before dn.

[dreamy vector]

afrer reading this, i might have understated their effort. i could see many modules nerfed to prevent smurfing. still, it's rather easy for devs to just nerf emerging low lvl high tier modules

as i mentioned, suspend is 1 of them. the debuff and range is crazy

[topaz maple]

Dart1 used to cost 4million to unlock. Actually most higher rs level mods were pretty expensive.

[dim sequoia]

I don’t think they were played?
Idk why you would
1/5 chance to make small money
4/5 to lose same money
Also because just losing. bad players not playing.
Meaning always going against good players.
Meaning no one playing because can’t make money getting 4 wins and 1 second place.

[dreamy vector]

i dont really understand what you said... though, i remember that you lose 10% of the battleship's cost that you used to fight in bls everytime you dont get 1st

[topaz maple]

Bls was mostly hated but many people played it because you just needed to win 1 out of 9 matches to earn profits and because it gave the shards needed to use shipment relay.
Lots of people played bls with sanctuary. They didn't earn credits but they did earn shards and got objectives done.

[dim sequoia]

Ok
I remember old time warp / 15 v 15
It was like 2-5 years ago
Idk where hs was just a year ago right before dn
Also don’t know what happened to my old account idk

Definitely changed then before dn!!!

[dreamy vector]

how bls was played before dn was trash, not gonna lie. i had many friends who only realized that bls actually gave money the moment they took off sanc from their ships in rs

and for newbies who play bls, just quit or full sanc for hydro

[topaz maple]

It's also pretty easy to get. You got the tonnage in rs4. Which is reached in a few weeks.

[dim sequoia]

Well when I was playing
The cost of rebuilding a battleship was the same as reward
So we could only use sanc
And could only get small amount of hydro
Not really worth when you could have hydro farms

[topaz maple]

You could earn 90% of bs+ mod value. If you lost you would get the same 90% as a refund. A loss would cost you 10%.

[dreamy vector]

you get back 90% of the ship but lose the bs every time you lose a match. worst kind of risk to get credits but best thing ever for those who want to salvage their bs instead of disband

[dim sequoia]

Was this always the case
I could’ve been wrong I was like 11 or something at the time

[dreamy vector]

no way you were 11 😂 thats too rare to find someone this young

to find the game back then of course

[dim sequoia]

You couldn’t there’s no way I would’ve joined discord
Thought it was so weird (still do but it’s acceptable for hs especially if you find the right corps

[topaz maple]

I know of some really young players but that's because daddy is also playing.

[dim sequoia]

Nope
My dad does play though

[dreamy vector]

yeah i was shocked at the age of older players in this game the first time i interacted with those from other corps

my vietnamese community was young before dn... i thought they were already old (i am high school and they are either college or just got their job for a short while)

[topaz maple]

I've met a bunch of hs players irl. Most of them were 30+ with kids. None of them was below 22.

[dreamy vector]

and then i met those with their kids being as old as me... shocking

[topaz maple]

Well, if I read it correctly, you could've been my kid (age wise).

[dreamy vector]

its cool that you guys can meet up irl, not like us. we asians dont have time for those things (rumors r true)

[topaz maple]

Got weekends for a reason. 😉

[dreamy vector]

weekends dont exist for us here. we study our ass off every time possible

[topaz maple]

We just make time and most of use stopped studying years ago.

[dreamy vector]

another thing is that the parents are very protective about going out and we all live cities apart from each others. though some of my dn friends are classmates that i pulled in this game so that technically is "we met up irl"?

i shouldnt go too far in details but dm me if you want to hear more

[topaz maple]

As said, we're adults. We don't have to deal with that stuff.
Good luck. It almost sounds like the bad life someone earlier today hoped that I would have.

[dreamy vector]

i am not an adult... i am dealing with all that stuff above 😂

[dim sequoia]

How much are you typing?

[dreamy vector]

anyways if @knotty flower and @fast oar read this (sorry for pinging but yall wanna hear this), maybe you guys should stop fighting and complaing about how trash the game after this message. i know what it felt like to be smurfed. smurf was way worse before dn update. now you guys finally got the chance to beat their ass up.

i recommend a lvl 6 mass battery, lvl 6 impulse shield and lvl 1 fortify so that you guys dont have to move your bs all the time for impulse dmg (or use barrier/emp/destiny since fortify attracts dart) and lvl 1 decoy drone.

[dim sequoia]

Ok

[dreamy vector]

that much

[dim sequoia]

It came on every 4 seconds that you were typing 😂

[dreamy vector]

i am still used to typing short sentences but sometimes i must type super long

[dim sequoia]

I suggest this

[dreamy vector]

mine is probably the best combo i can think of for someone below rs6

[dim sequoia]

Mine was for rs7 with rs9 options

[winged snow]

I read some of this thread and all I see is old players are hugely toxic. Hades star in a nutshell

[dim sequoia]

Haha

[dreamy vector]

because it affects their chance to go smurfing

same energy as those who promise to not act like gods when they are rich and when they actually become rich... (not everyone though)

[knotty flower]

Lol I faced a top ten twice and I'm in the lower bracket of the leaderboards

[dreamy vector]

all those top 10s are just smurfs... if you can find out their weakness, they will all fall apart trust me

not really related since i will be talking about high module lvl fights, but i face top 1 blue stars almost every day

they all have the same builds like how smurfs do.

they all have the same weaknesses that i usually exploit

[knotty flower]

So I find said weakness and win

[dreamy vector]

yeah

[knotty flower]

Ah nice thanks for the info : )

[dreamy vector]

are you being sarcastic...?

[knotty flower]

No

[dreamy vector]

i can just tell you all my experiences

if you want

[knotty flower]

Nah it's fine

I like to analyze myself

[dreamy vector]

i am having a full level 12 module acc and full lvl 1 module acc (non smurf) so i understand both ways

[knotty flower]

Ur the kind of player the game needs

And I appreciate you for it

[dreamy vector]

the stronger ones always go with the alpha shield 11 + vengeance 12 build. thats basically impossible to do anything if people let them go in the final sector. and thats exactly why i dont do that

[knotty flower]

Early rush them

[dreamy vector]

... or just bring high level bond and push them when they are already "haha another ez win" in the last seconds 😂

[knotty flower]

Don't have that yet

But I'll consider it

[dreamy vector]

i am talking about top level fights. its tense up here

[knotty flower]

Ye ik

[dreamy vector]

full module level 12 stuff so you dont need to worry

bond and barrier low level is actually good to get rid of those dart smurfs

as long as you can make it to the final sector, just push them. most of smurfs dont bring teleport or destiny to break bond

maybe get a destiny 1 too (dont destiny when the border is closing in under 5s or you might destiny to yellow star)

[knotty flower]

👍👍

Thanks again for your info and experience: )

[dreamy vector]

good luck man. i will suggest you a build before going: mass6, impulse6, fortify1 (or emp1 barrier1 since dart targets your fortified ship) and decoy1

you may like it, its a decent build i got from my experience. active impulse and fortify at the same time so you can focus full impulse dmg on your smurf bs

[knotty flower]

I think this build is good

[dreamy vector]

depends on you

[knotty flower]

(Instead of tp I have dest)

[dreamy vector]

i suggest changing emp with something like des or bond

teleport bond is deadly against non teleport users

teleport last second then bond the player out of border

[knotty flower]

Saw it once

But I don't have bond yet

I'm rs6

[dreamy vector]

i can do you a favor

find me in my corp

my name and corp is there

[knotty flower]

Oh I see what u want

Art transfer

[dreamy vector]

i will provide you a few rs9 art

[knotty flower]

It's fine

[dreamy vector]

yes

its on you then. i like helping people

[knotty flower]

Then ig ur my kind of player

Respects

[dreamy vector]

dm me if you still want those arts

bye for now

[knotty flower]

Alr thanks

[knotty flower]

Bye

[fast oar]

I never not once said it was about smerfs or that the game was trash. All I said was that it's a bit un fair and would like them to take a look and if they can balance it a bit.

That is a reasonable ask not a complaint.

The original post was far over looked.

And if anyone is going to offer advice think about the way you say it mabey people would listen to you more.

[topaz maple]

https://tenor.com/view/no-offense-but-i-really-don't-care.-daniel-radcliffe-person-human-gif-18423471922054320409

[fast oar]

And we don't care about you at all lol

[topaz maple]

I wouldn't want it differently.

[fast oar]

Let me ask you this? How does one lvl up in this game? By leveling modules, planets, stations ect. Correct?

[topaz maple]

No, not modules or stations.
The answer is placed somewhere above. Basically a matter of reading back.

You can literally lvl up by doing nothing else than shipments.

[fast oar]

That would fall under the etc would it not?

Also I'm 99% positive Noone just does lvl 1 planet shipments to reach high lvls. Come on man.

[topaz maple]

Than you definitely haven't seen fanatic players from a certain communist regime. 🤣

[fast oar]

The 1% is for the fact that you could though we both know the majority don't do that.

[topaz maple]

I don't know shit. I thought we already established that fact.

[fast oar]

So while player lvl doesn't factor in to match making as I explained that was explained to me and agreed with you. Player lvl does in fact and Is safe to say equates to more time/money and experience.

This is undeniable fact though I'm sure you will have something to say against that. That's fine.

Also agian I submit meaningless is not meaning none at all.

I've already said you are correct with what you said. It's how you said it that's the problem.

I don't care if you are or are not a smerf I'm not here to tell you how to play the game. You play however you wish it's your game.

[topaz maple]

It's how you said it.. 😭
I don't care about easily offended weak minded people who choose to be a victim.

[dim sequoia]

Player level doesn’t factor
Although planets are related to rs access
Depending how slowly you climb also decides how many bps you have
It’s module level/(some modules ramp up or add score differently)

[dreamy vector]

i may have overstated it, sorry about that. regardless, you guys should stop fighting. i can help you with bls anti smurf builds if you need, because devs arent going to fix smurfing problem anytime soon

[hearty forge]

This is still going? oh my..

[fast oar]

They won't. And I'm not fighting simply debating although it falls on deaf ears it would seem.

[fast oar]

And that's kind of what I was trying to say ty.

[fast oar]

Another absurd assumption. You don't know me mate. You don't. There is nothing you can say to offend me in any way. You're welcome to try though.

Also if anyone would be kind enough to tell me what will be available in rs6 please and thanks as I'll be queuing it for upgrade today.

[dreamy vector]

😭

what is your bs level?

[fast oar]

Um 3 I believe as I'm held back by cred cap

By alot

[dreamy vector]

you have a drone slot right

[fast oar]

Yea 400k

I do

[dreamy vector]

then this is what i recommend you for rs6

[fast oar]

But I don't wish to be given anything as I wish to earn it.

[dreamy vector]

mass6/impulse6/barrier1/decoy1

i understand you dont want to be given high level artifacts. i grew up in this game not needing any help

[fast oar]

I have 3 of those to that lvl

[dreamy vector]

what about the other one

[fast oar]

And do use them it isn't much help when I just get 1 Tapped

By a max lvl ship with 7 slots

[dreamy vector]

u wont get 1 tapped that easily with that build with some timing

a decoy can save 10 seconds from dart

[light storm]

I’d say repair 1 is absolutely mvp, 2000 hp regen every 1m and potentially 1k hp to tank hardly can be matched with anything at this lvl

[dreamy vector]

then impulse shield to ram over smurf bs

[dreamy vector]

repair 1 is also good, however it cant help with facing high lvl dart

[light storm]

It can tank 1 projectile as decoy, if you are not the one who attacking

[fast oar]

Repair drone is next

I just got to the cap needed for the rs upgrade

[light storm]

I have low lvl account, there are different meta at each bls bracket, impulse at low-mid lvls won like 90% of the matches, including smurfs, veng alpha at mid-high will do the same, options are many, this is just the most efficient atm

Vengeance and dart are rs7 techs, which is month or 2 at max, not exclusive for smurfs like it was in hs due to very high unlocking cost

[fast oar]

It isn't the smerfs that I took issue with. It's the maxed out ships with 7 things that just merk me I stand no chance.

I can only run for so long

Though I did discover I can just leave

Unless it was a bug but I sent mine across the border and left with full hp

[light storm]

The balance is sucks unless you are maxed(or min maxing, which requires an experience or some research), but following the meta helps to beat a majority of a much stronger opponents you meet, coz they couldn’t counter you.

Also long search increasing the range of the opponents you can get in both ways, could be much weaker or stronger

[fast oar]

I've touched base on this subject already so I do understand meta. And it's not every match just the majority

[dreamy vector]

impulse + fortify is best build imo

[fast oar]

And to sit through multiple unwinnable matches just slows progress more than needed

I see alot of impulse and I kinda like it as well

Is there anything that makes lazers charge up faster?

[dreamy vector]

unfortunately no

its sad that lasers got nerfed so bad

[winged snow]

The only fix would be to just add more players, across all levels, to the pool you’re searching in. Problem is exactly that and the time people search for a match, ect… either play against a high level or wait for the perfect match for centuries 🤷

[fast oar]

I tend to just commit sudoku and go into the next match

[topaz maple]

Ok red defender.. 😁

[knotty flower]

I simply revealed it tbh

Idc

U still are too high leveled to reach me

And u don't know if it's my main or alt

And u don't know my other account

😁

[fast oar]

The dam destiny self destruction needs a nerf

[topaz maple]

It beats me so it must be nerfed..
Yep, you confirmed what I suspected all along.

"The game must adept to me."

But I'm the one who wants to kill the game because I don't agree with noobs who want the game to adept to them instead of adepting to the game. 😆

Seriously, you can smell these types from a distance and they don't even realize it.

[fathom bison]

Base matchmaking off of credit cap, and increase rewards accordingly

[fast oar]

There you go again putting words in my mouth i never said.

It seems you are only here to cause conflict get lost if you're not going to be productive in conversations ain't nobody got time for your toxic ass.

[fast oar]

Very productive ty

Though I believe that would be the same as basing it off rs lvl as that is limited by cred cap.

There he gone now. Or at least for me he is.

[granite tangle]

I knew a guy years ago that literally went RS6 to RS9 in as many days as it takes to upgrade the scanner. Yep, he had a 4M cred cap as an RS6 player. I bet he would have crushed bls if this was the rule.

[fathom bison]

What if the highest level equiped module was the basis for matchmaking?

Rewarding players for using more expensive/higher levled modules might work.

[topaz maple]

Complaining about matchmaking (legitimate), complaining about player levels, complaining about high rs level mods because you can't get them (even though you can, but simply refuse it), complaining about a powerful mod and saying that it should be nerfed..
It's a pretty obvious pattern.

Let's start playing a game that takes years to get somewhere and try to change that game to my likings. Based on weeks of experience in that game..
It's mind-blowing selfish.

But I'm the problem here.. Sure dude.. Sure.

"Ain't nobody got time for my toxic ass.."

I'm not even known for being toxic and a lot of players learned that over the years.
I'm only a dick against dicks. And I can spot certain types pretty easily. You're not unique. We've seen many similar types over the years.

[knotty flower]

The only reason they're probably asking for a nerd is bcus they don't know strategies against it, so instead of trying to shoot them down with your in-fact toxic words, just tell them that this or that is the strat. And if they don't listen then just leave them be. But if you keep shooting at them, they will not perceive your advice and instead see you as a kind of threat, and so they won't listen anymore. And the mere thought of being in a toxic community can easily drive players away from the game.

[knotty flower]

And yet here you are, twisting words and not showing the will to help your own community. Your corp might not see you as toxic bcus they're like family. However the wider community can and will see you like this if you continue acting like this

[topaz maple]

You know what. It might even be better for the game if certain types are driven away because they only want to change the game.
Maybe, just maybe this isn't the game for them.

[knotty flower]

Depends on the "types" your talking about

In my opinion the more diversitsy the better

And ofc like all games, this one needs a learning/teaching curve to function

[topaz maple]

How dumb are you? Did you actually do your homework? Do you actually have any idea what I do for the community?
Do you actually think that the community is absolutely clueless who I am?
I've been here for years. They're fully aware that I'm here and lots are fully aware that I'm absolutely helpful to the people that deserve it.
On top of that, it's no secret that I have little patience for certain types.

[fathom bison]

HS teaches via trial and error and is a harsh teacher

[knotty flower]

1 Relatively I don't engage much on this discord so I don't really know the community here
2 attacking people like this only gets them defensive causing an argument that gets nowhere
3 chill the heck down bro it ain't that deep
4 if you actually are here to "help those who deserve it", then how about you let the newcomers prove their "worthiness" (some won't and some will depending on how you phrase your wordings) and anyways showing you show nothing but hatred helps no one

[knotty flower]

It was worse bcus I witnessed pre-dark nebula hs and u Perma lose ships and mods have costs to install

[fathom bison]

Doubly harsh back in the day

And even harsher back when you had to fight for arts

[fast oar]

That my friend is called spending money.

[fast oar]

Have already told him that but ty for re doing so

[granite tangle]

He spent $0. He just coasted along at RS6 for a long time

[dim sequoia]

Then he probably spent longer time and wasted more time researching in the station

So he didn’t really go up that fast considering

[fast oar]

Also to note sector yes everything has a counter but atm I just don't have enough slots to fill. So I'm a bit limited on how many things I can counter. Tp would help with the seemingly 5 second charge time of destiny as well as the big self destruct.

[fast oar]

Let me re read how you posted that 1 sec

Ok so I did read that a bit wierd

[fast oar]

But it's just not possible to counter everything all at the same time

[fast oar]

Thought you said he went from rs6 to rs 9 in the 4 days it took to upgrade the station

[knotty flower]

Your welcome

[fast oar]

Things ramped up quick for hydrogen use in rs stars it'll take a couple days to refill

[knotty flower]

That is also something that he can't understand

For some reason

[fast oar]

Fun fact if you don't want to hear those kinds of people. The block does in fact block all messages.

[fathom bison]

Would making bls matchmaking random make it balanced?

Probably not, but I'm just throwing ideas at the wall

[fast oar]

I'm just saying some things just aren't fair like even the bots have things like the match I just had.
All lones with lvl 8 vengeance that covers half the dam map.

Or matches with 2 lvl 400+s and get sandwiched between the two.

😕

I'd like to see a chart of hm players there is and at what lvl.

[fast oar]

I'm not going to pretend I know anything about how to do it. My best guess is just not a huge player base. And the random configuration for bots is set to get ducked imo.

[dreamy vector]

i think its a fair nerf compared to bls before dn

back in the day destiny can be used in the final sector can people usually spam it

(plus the fact that alpha shield didnt exist)

[fast oar]

I just feel that the range and rate it charges Is too big and too fast. For the amount of dmg it does

[dreamy vector]

i dont really understand the self destruction mean

do you mean the destiny always end up in death zone of blue stars?

[fast oar]

The big one vengeance I get the 2 mixed up all the time it has the too big of range.

Destiny is the smaller one that is too fast my bad but both suck.

[dreamy vector]

vengeance doesnt suck tho

[dreamy vector]

doesnt seem like it would fix anything

people will spam low level modules more

i think best way to do matchmaking is to match the same level battleships with each other, and of course same level modules

and maybe nerf the lvl 1 modules even further?

like suspend lvl 1 or dart lvl 1

[dreamy vector]

yeah so thats why low lvl high tier modules should be nerfed

[fast oar]

It does when there are fuggen 4 lones that cover the entire map each with one

Same rs lvl and or a lvl up and down that way it's fair but challenging.

[dim sequoia]

What EXACTLY do you mean by “it sucks” ??

[fast oar]

Just dieing from it with no real way to get away from it

And even if you do oh look 4 more have it

[dim sequoia]

Teleport is great against vengeance
Or taking them out early
Using stuff that can kill them 2000dmg+ or if they have a low alpha high dps or even using the map to kill bond/barrier

Destiny has a very small area so you should just be able to move out of it
Try not to move at people with destiny

The sentence at the end “even if you do 4 more have it applies to everything”

[fast oar]

You mean the stuff I can't get atm and of which I currently don't have enough slots to fill with everything I need.

Also where you going to tp to? The initial start is fine yes you can tp away but mid match it just not possible to flee and I don't have the necessary kill em quick atm.

[dim sequoia]

What rs are you
Don’t wait till late game (and you can still tp mid match)

[fast oar]

To where there isn't anywhere better to go. Rs 6

[dim sequoia]

Laser(Probably not but dps)
Impulse (dps)
Alpha
Omega (tankier)
Solitude (dps)
Wamp (dps)
Destiny (2000+)
Teleport (anywhere not in a red circle)
Barrier (red zone)