#🚁WEAPONS REVAMP/REBALANCING🚁

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gusty wigeon
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i hate lazer turret 😔

cyan yacht
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Especially since hydro upload rework is in the top 10

cyan yacht
lilac latch
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It doesn't do good thing.
Not working with Hrep too

cyan yacht
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It needs 100% uptime just like CR

lilac latch
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Laser Turret takes forever to setup

gusty wigeon
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i think mirror shield could be changed as well

lilac latch
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Mirror Shields needs to deal 300% all stars and increased Hull on RS

gusty wigeon
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old mirror shield felt better

cyan yacht
gusty wigeon
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same for old emp, old fortify

cyan yacht
lilac latch
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Old EMP is laserharold

cyan yacht
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Omega should reward you for bringing it compared to Regen

lilac latch
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Omega should have 1.5 Regen hull

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Or shorter CD

cyan yacht
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And 100% uptime tbh

gusty wigeon
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all the shields should have shorter cd in rs i feel

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same with certain combat mods

cyan yacht
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Ill say it over and over persistent shields have no purpose to have a downtime

lilac latch
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Vengeance 5 min CD yey

cyan yacht
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Ally shield should be 100%, blast shield should be 100%, omega shield should be 100%

gusty wigeon
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remote bomb is truly getting the short end of the rs stick

cyan yacht
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Outrun it, gun it down, do anything to it and it kinda fails lol

lilac latch
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Put that in WS. It becomes your Blast Shield Shredder, active or not. Like Destiny but worst to handle

cyan yacht
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Interesting, so not necessarily a purposeful bomb to hurt but to break shields

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A mod burner

lilac latch
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I always put RB as a Blast Shield breaker

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If it breaks before RB explode. It's a bonus

gusty wigeon
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if used purely for neutralization damage it seems somewhat mediocre

lilac latch
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Leaps to enemy RP
Do delays and summons RB

cyan yacht
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I do see a build that could be lethal for it

gusty wigeon
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suspend?

lilac latch
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Suspend only works for Weapons

cyan yacht
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Ally barrier RB, grab an enemy and nuke them

gusty wigeon
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what are delays then

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barrier?

lilac latch
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Alpha/Leap/Barrier/Suspend/Teleport

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Just to stops your mining ops for around the alpha shield duration

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It's the best strat against turtle

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Lock down enemy mining ops

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You will see this kind of play in Mid~High WS tech

desert umbra
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I'm still waiting for single target buff 🍿

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I guess we could all agree
Laser need to rework ramp damage mechanic
Barrage/Battery could see something about target switch delay or dmg buff

lilac latch
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We can leaves barrage as it is, otherwise we suffers from Hydra

white cargo
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I would roll back to barrage in a second if it could deal with ghosts

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I bet it would pair well with motion shield

lilac latch
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Barrage Motion looking great. I tried

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But it doesn't great when facing 1 cerb

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Very awesome in planet sectors

white cargo
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Yea. Lone bombers we're difficult

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We used to use bond to move lone ships to planet sectors

lilac latch
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Sadly bond disabled because of trolls...

Oof

slate jungle
white cargo
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The old arguments of why someone is both nerfing my damage and healing the colossus I'm fighting at the same time

desert umbra
lilac latch
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Old days yes. It's synergy with barrage

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But trolls exist so nuh uh

vale heron
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There were also many trolls who would activate their interceptors, intentionally guide them to the planet, and then teleport away.

white cargo
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I didn't know bond was disabled in redstars

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Makes sense. Some people would stick an interceptor on your squishies

slate jungle
burnt flame
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Super crazy idea…
What if Pulse was actually an EMP Pulse? The higher the level, the longer the duration.
That could be a monster to deal with in WS

wooden forge
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might be too meta

desert umbra
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what if

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cataclism is a bs mod

burnt flame
gusty wigeon
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Cataclysm, dart turret, and storms should have never been a thing

desert umbra
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just had an opportunity to witness a battery soli in public rs9 today

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it was battery12 soli12

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the delay really make it a bad choice

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the ttk for guardian and sentinel is great but 2s delay make it a bad pick

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it sure can melt stuff larger than collosus way faster than mb soli but idk

lilac latch
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Battery without target switch delay is actually awesome

desert umbra
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could see that

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I'm guessing we should make a new suggestion for that so it gets more attention

midnight spindle
dapper abyss
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Storms dart should emp in drs if it even lands, bombers should always move towards you instead of away, or always into cerb clouds all game modes, Sentinels need barrage always, bring back colossals shield only drs. Then yes revamp weapons laserharold

winged copper
midnight spindle
winged copper
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Oh for sure now because of that ridiculous 2 second target switch delay. But get rid of that and it does okay against ghosts. Not great but okay

midnight spindle
gusty wigeon
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bro just gon pretend bombers and storms dont exist

desert umbra
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Single target bs when bombers and storms just point blank blasted them with projectiles

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wooden forge
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bombers and storms when single target bs just point blank blasted them with projectiles

gusty wigeon
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Must be a dart bs

winged copper
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Yeah multi weapons are just so handy. I had buddies who ran barrage X3 and buddies who ran MBX3 in HS. You could do that then especially with how barrier worked. Not so much now. I wouldn't want to run dark stars without a multi weapon though.

midnight spindle
# winged copper Yeah multi weapons are just so handy. I had buddies who ran barrage X3 and buddi...

Yeah, modules such as EMP & Barrier help single target weapons builds a lot but when swarms meet target switch delay then multi target weapons are shown to have a clear role. Dual laser was my favorite weapon preDN but I almost never used it because Barrage did the job better, now I only use it in Blue Stars. For DRS11s having someone hit all the Alpha Hydras early with a single target weapon is useful and does help the run go smoother but after that trying to make Dual Laser work like Mass Battery is a bit of a headache

winged copper
drowsy bridge
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My rant is that Dual Laser works for me in BS-9 so far. Due to the rapid trigger (no delay) from target to target I don’t get overwhelmed with rockets in BLS. What I don’t get is the fascination with Barrier! A single-target gun with a 2 second target switch delay? It’s cute for a few seconds until you’re taking all that damage from sentinels and destroyers on your flank. No thanks. Also, I’ve maximized Dart-Ally Shield-Suspend-Repair Drone as much as I can. I one-shot Cerberus ships with no problem; however, the Dart is simply not rapid enough to take on other manned battle ships unless I get a lucky sneak attack in. A five-second delay between Dart rockets would be helpful. There could be a toggle switch that allows for more rapid Darts with a less powerful explosion.

desert umbra
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what if weapon amp and fortify skip target delay

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and increase ramp speed on laser weapon

gusty wigeon
lone gulch
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Making batt and mb is actually a great idea!
Keep the switch delay from 1-3 or 3-1 target when you switch. So you cannot just switch indefinitely. 3-5 seconds switch delay is good I think!

wooden forge
wooden forge
harsh drift
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This suggestion is too broad and generic. No single update will balance all weapons at once. Please consider breaking up into smaller scope suggestions that can be voted on individually.

desert umbra
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heh, as I said, big updates won't really be good

burnt flame
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Need to bullet point this then?
Priority (for me at least) is Battery target delay. Either remove it or drop to 1 second.
MBatt makes this weapon inferior

desert umbra
drifting egret
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Im not sure how much traction weapon specific tweaks will get, or how reasonable they would be

slate jungle
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Remove target switch lets start there

drifting egret
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or, to be honest, consider nerfing mbatt

granite salmon
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Most weapons are just inferior, very few people use battery due to target delay, any laser due to their ramp times and low damage, or dart because massbat negates it. Only variety is chainray and rocket launcher in ws

drifting egret
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or how insanely well it meshes with solitude compared to solo target weapons

slate jungle
drifting egret
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im not saying bury it, just make it slightly worse at killing tanky enemies so solo target weapons become relevant

slate jungle
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I know but even a slight reduction in damage won’t help. Consider I was doing drs9 with mass 9. So even nerfing it by a few levels wouldn’t have the effect you want. Mass isn’t op the other weapons are simply useless with target switch and so much projectile spam

drifting egret
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idk it sounds like mb is op from your statement

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Based on the original described intent of the DRS experience, they dont sound very challenging when employing mb

cyan yacht
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Mass batt is usable, nothing else is. That doesnt mean everything else is balanced

slate jungle
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It’s not though. It’s mandatory based on how the cerbs work to have multi target or no target switch.

cyan yacht
slate jungle
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If I pop a phoenix I need to be able to deal with the sents and not over 10-15 seconds

cyan yacht
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Drs sents would quite literally delete my ships

granite salmon
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Battery is useless due to the sheer amount of stuff coming at you in drs

drifting egret
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youre misunderstanding. perhaps its the only usable and its too good

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maybe DRS is meant to be more challenging than it currently is, but also mbatt trivializes it

slate jungle
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Simply removing target switch would solve many of these issues. Barrage would at least see a come back. Not sure about battery

cyan yacht
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Batt absolutely would see heavy use in 1-7 and drs with good positioning

slate jungle
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People seem to forget mass was meta long before dn

cyan yacht
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It's not mass batts fault tbh

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It's literally just, how it is

slate jungle
cyan yacht
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I want to kill many things, so I grab a weapon that targets many things

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It's a no brainer, you would obviously grab it in any situation you're not 1v1ing, which cerbs are heavy on

cyan yacht
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With the exception of 13-15 changing its formula, it's directly linear

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Mass batt isnt

drifting egret
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i used to use mass+laser

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laser has been buried a long time now

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im not sure a single person uses laser

slate jungle
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I used many things through the years lasers always sucked. Dl was meta for a bit when I started then barrage then mass for the last 5 years

cyan yacht
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Well, why would you? It's a thing that emphasizes higher damage with bigger things, and at some point nothing is big

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Plus cerbs just dont do that

drifting egret
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yea i pivoted to barrage at DR10 from laser, was better

slate jungle
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Barrage was cool but with salvage mass was 100x better

drifting egret
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mass only wasnt practical imo

cyan yacht
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They're spam, always spam, and will always be spam. They're purely unique because they're spam. Don't expect to play a zombie hoard game with a sniper

drifting egret
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x2 barrage x1 mb was good

slate jungle
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It was I didn’t with no shields

cyan yacht
slate jungle
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3x mass ally shield 1 and salvage 7

drifting egret
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yea fortify meant shields werent super needed

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lots has changed

cyan yacht
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I do believe all combat mods should have a use in all modes, but it simply isnt possible for weapons to do the same

burnt flame
slate jungle
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We need a single suggestion post with links to individuals weapons threads maybe

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Ba can’t make threads inside here

gusty wigeon
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At this point we need to set up a whole committee for this

cyan yacht
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I bet if we organize enough from a bunch of different levels, we can try and come to an agreement for some solid balance changes

wooden forge
gusty wigeon
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yall wanna get this to 183 upvotes lol

wooden forge
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why 183

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sounds like a random number

gusty wigeon
wooden forge
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oh ok

compact birch
compact birch
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Let's split up all the good ideas here into individual suggestions based on the solutions people have already come up with

slate jungle
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Yes but then we need another suggestion (or maybe edit op here?) with all the links that won’t get lost in chat

tiny verge
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Ramp I like the visual eye candy

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Temp gauge...where? And why? Over heat stalls the focal lens? Like target switch delay, maybe...

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(at full ramp id love to see like ...Flames)

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Just texting out loud...

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Or spamming depending on who you ask...lol.

compact birch
tiny verge
compact birch
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Go to the discussion thread and weigh-in. If we want weapon balancing we need to put up different suggestions for each weapon and vote on them

tiny verge
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Discussion thread.👍

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Lol I'm assuming it's a safe bet this is NOT the discussion thread.

compact birch
drifting egret
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This is one of the most popular suggestions, but subsequent suggestions are difficult to get support.

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#1356680885658718342 message
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I think a #1407359224551309322 should be opened to individually gather feedback / poll on these.
If PvE is a big focus moving forward, it will be dull if it remains a mbatt+solitude dominated scene

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or, uncontested rather than dominated