💥✨ SHIP COSMETICS ✨💥

[frank lily]

Ship Cosmetics have a huge upside:

1. Very meaningful customization
2. Provide a reward variety
3. Extremely player-friendly monetization
4. Gives an additional incentive to regularly return to game (have cosmetic purchase options that refresh frequently)

How can this be implemented?

• Ship cosmetics would work as skins, with some examples [shown here](#1210811733472710676 message).
• An alternative to skins could be a color palette (primary + secondary color) to apply.
• There are different tiers of skin, some common and some more rare.
  Cosmetics can be unlocked a variety of ways including:
  a) Purchased with credits
  b) Purchased with crystals
  c1) A new cosmetic-exclusive currency can be earned through in-game activities
  c2) A new cosmetic blueprint system can be introduce to unlock special cosmetics, [like suggest by Ham here](#1210811733472710676 message).
  d1) Unlocked upon completing all tiers of an achievement (this gives a better variety than the crystal rewards)
  d2) Achievements could alternatively unlock the ability to purchase a unique cosmetic
  e) Exclusive skins that can only be purchased with money
• Introduce a cosmetic shop to the game, [like this fantastic example created by Ham](#1210811733472710676 message). The shop would refresh on a regular interval (each week?) to allow purchasing the available cosmetics in stock with credits or crystals.
• Cosmetics can be applied through the ship yard or ship UI

Smooth integration

• If skins apply to several ship upgrade tiers, Tier 5 ships are the best place to enable cosmetic access. It can be achieved in a few months, while tier 6 and 7 take much longer. Lower than tier 5 may be a waste of resources.
• Yellow star and Blue star should be very straightforward to distinguish ally and enemy
• To avoid confusion in other multiplayer modes, a [highlighting system like this](#1210811733472710676 message) could be used. Other opacity and flagging visuals could also help.
• For accessibility, there could be an option to toggle off cosmetics in each star type. This would be suboptimal since it somewhat diminishes cosmetic value.

Additional Cosmetics

• The thread below has seen a lot of discussion about module cosmetics. These could be harder to balance for multiplayer, so they may require that visibility be restricted to only the player using them.
• Star system cosmetics for other stars would be a very cool area to expand into ()
• Some other ideas could be new ship glows/auras, movement trails, sounds.

Bonus

• I love the creation of Ham🍖 in this thread, like [these futuristic ones](#1210811733472710676 message), and [these ones from the store image](#1210811733472710676 message). I think [the miner ones](#1210811733472710676 message) are really sweet too.

-# Thank you for reading! Comment other ideas below and I can add to this OP!

[willow ruin]

To add to this, it'd be cool to have different weapon colors/effects. Like for chain ray/laser, you can change the color of the beam or maybe have fire/lightning effects, all for an additional cosmetic cost

[frank lily]

💥✨ SHIP COSMETICS ✨💥

There could be entire ship remodels, though I imagine that'd require a new model for each ship level. Battleships are what most people care about customizing, which would only require ~7 modified models.

[frank lily]

Could have a selector screen for modifying mod settings

[willow ruin]

Lmao that's dedication, nice job. A new station, that you level to access more rare/cool cosmetics. Bring a ship to the station in order to be able to outfit it

[tall crane]

I'd drop 1.99 to 4.99 for a perma tattoo

[frank lily]

hell yea brother

[fair laurel]

for space stations also

and one of the options should be the original sprites

one "decal" for battleships should be a Cerberus kill counter for that ship lol

[frank lily]

That'd be super depressing if it was lost in a super nova, but I guess that makes it even sweeter when its high

Options for tracking could be BLS enemies, WS enemies, RS cerberus (maybe of each type), DRS?
or maybe thats a bit much~

[main scarab]

I want chicken nugget bs!

[fair laurel]

definitely

[frank lily]

It'd be neat to modify your select ship lighting, looks like the neon lights from gta lol

[junior edge]

cant agree more, these glows are neat!

[frank lily]

I'd like to make some concept art for mods changing battleship appearance.

If you equip laser , maybe you get the glowy thing on your

[main scarab]

I’d like poop emojis to replace drone arts visuals

[frank lily]

This is the future I am fighting for.

[willow ruin]

Can you clarify how it would look in a RS? I'd hate to try clicking on someone else's ship because it has the same color as my ships lol

[main scarab]

Maybe I can set other players colors I see so I can ensure everything is different?

[willow ruin]

You'd need 3 other colors reserved

[main scarab]

Yes

Or give my ships a thick black boarder or something

[frank lily]

yea, it could be client side in multiplayer activities, maybe visible in YS for others. That is the easiest solution with 0 downside.

Alternatively, opacity could be decreased a bit on others ship, maybe they have some type of glow.

[dreamy robin]

We shouldn't be able to create our own cosmetics, or people just put swastikas on their ships...

[frank lily]

I don't suggest that

I'm thinking a color selector would be sweet, but having a handful of color options could also work. Although I wouldn't prefer it, new ship colors could all be tied to achievement unlocks

[willow ruin]

Or both. Special skins via achievements, basic skins via crystals

[frank lily]

New ship models are not a high ask, itd be a dope reward for difficult achievements

Youd legit just need 21 pngs for a set of ship redesigns, right? Hire someone on Fiverr lol

I'm thinking kinda like how Deep Rock Galactic does weapon frameworks.

https://youtu.be/07u_Htn-yes?si=Ez4lX--RHI6kEeRd

Some frameworks are DLC purchases, others you unlock. They redesign your weapons with different motifs to look futuristic, derelict, paladin-esque, experimental, etc. On top of frameworks, a color design may be applied. A perfect model for how games should correctly do cosmetics.

[willow ruin]

Maybe a little complicated for HS, doesn't fit the same vibe necessarily, but would be a good and welcomed way to increase profits for longevity

[frank lily]

People would primarily care about battleships, so only those really need attention. You could further reduce work by only having cosmetic models available bs4-7 or so.

I can think of similar looks for new ships based of some DRG designs, like a large freighter, an aerodynamic cruiser type, a robust warship.

I mean, you could create as many ship redesigns as you want, throw in different structures to the ship. Just something to build out the achievement system, add entirely cosmetic purchases.

I mostly care about coloring tbh, but model changes are perhaps even easier to design

[willow ruin]

It's all about maintenance. Does he want to have to maintain all these different skins/models

[frank lily]

What needs maintenance?

[willow ruin]

That's just how it works

[frank lily]

I'm not entirely sure what you mean, but I doubt any maintenance would tilt cosmetics towards being a net burden

Truthfully, not implementing cosmetics is bleeding revenue

[dreamy robin]

Would cosmetics cost money?

[frank lily]

If SP1 & SP2 had a battleship redesign thrown in, you'd make back what you spent getting there very fast

That would tip a lot of players over into buying them for the drip 🥶

[frank lily]

Perhaps to start, but achievements having cosmetic rewards would be an excellent idea for building out the game

Maybe I'll mock up some redesigns with pixel art. Sounds like a fun thing to autistically artistically fixate on.

[frank lily]

#dripsforships

[main scarab]

I’ll never get it but first place distinctions should give gold ships

[frank lily]

I'm digging this suggestion up 🚬

Tying ship cosmetics to achievements is still one of my favorite ideas, itd be so satisfying 🥲

[plain loom]

Drs can become expensive 😉

[rigid compass]

Hello!! How are youu

[plain loom]

Ships now look better then the shield visualisation...

I like them

[upbeat fossil]

I can try to simplify it more.. they are more simplified than what they were before I showed ones a while ago but maybe to much detail this is getting a little closer I also missed the hole for targeting

[crystal tendon]

What about adding in the suggestion to make the ships more look like apollo since we got stations that is more space looking, just maybe a bit darker, something like @upbeat fossil did. (this just my opinion)

And i agree with your suggestion ngl.

[upbeat fossil]

You mean dark green? lol

[frank lily]

yea i really like these

[upbeat fossil]

These are not under the shield

[upbeat fossil]

ALL are really just color ideas over detail of ship xD

[frank lily]

I think ultimately allowing the player to design their ship in game would be the best option. Unlocking cosmetic options via achievements would be neat, perhaps they can be unique selections beyond color

[upbeat fossil]

You could keep colors during pvp and just highlight outer edges red/green would need to be more intense.. Tried to do that as best I could here if you zoom in you might see some red. (Bottom purple originally was lvl 6 bs didn’t make one of those thats why highlight is off)) The green one is ally

[upbeat fossil]

Yeah sometimes I change the fins for the lvl 5 bs and 4 I guess haha its not really changed as more detail maybe.. I’m taking off of the drawn sketch and using photoshop honestly you could do all of this with AI if you could enter the right prompts

Typically AI is not symmetrical or something so can be easier with photoshop

[frank lily]

This looks great, and is probably just fine for WS

There remains the question of skin visibility to others in red star

Maybe each player's ships have a distinct glow? I'm not sure

[main scarab]

I find these broken up colored ships hard to see I can’t imagine while they are moving in a bls or rs

They look cool but I would absolutely not want to play with them

[frank lily]

That's why allowing selection of a primary, secondary, maybe tertiary, color would be best

[formal crow]

Developer must see it. Reasonably priced... Customizing 3000 is too expensive🥲🥲

[upbeat fossil]

Yes but darker colors would be a good stealth tactics everyone would be picking dark color haha but; You could do an illuminated center target dot red/ green. In RS just do whatever colors like original bs colors for dots(or let people choose their color through RS scanner which would also change color in YS just of the dot) With the highlight around for PVP to see easier BLS/WS

[upbeat fossil]

Could make some kind of “season pass” unlock with 2000 crystals. Throughout it are Artifacts/creds/hydro/crystals/skins(cosmetics) including new planets for the last ones or something.. honestly somehow if a reward could be x2 bls bonus for 1 day or (spawn rich asteroid for RS) idk if thats possible.. idk how the scoring would work probably BLS scoring or RS score?

Obviously not tooo much hydro 😉

[frank lily]

Change ship dot color: 3000

[upbeat fossil]

If we can change color of ship with color of dot?

again that would only depend on if the colors of ships would be darker I mean I guess it would help indicate enemy/ally in general

We are only getting a dot change after all this

[echo cradle]

I want a camouflage skin for bls. Bit of invisibility won't harm anyone. 🤔

[lapis gulch]

Like actual “Stealth”

[upbeat fossil]

Without the module 😉

[frank lily]

Should add a sick shark skin for the miner

🦈

[fluid socket]

Like the vaccuum brand? I like it. I always thought of Dyson for the miners

[opal mauve]

These would look amazing with motion shield

[opal mauve]

Teeth to the two extensions on the right, and a shark fin on top?

[narrow grove]

Maybe there could be a new currency you get from white stars that lets you get the skins

[frank lily]

The only problem with that would be that most people only want a couple of cosmetics, so after several WS you'd have everything you want

[narrow grove]

Maybe it would be something that takes a lot of ws

That would also bring more corps to play ws, which would give everyone better matchups

[fluid socket]

Please no more tasks that require months of grind for little reward

[frank lily]

Exactly, cosmetics shouldn't require several months of direct grinding tonunlock

Them passively being unlocked with completing achievements seems like a better option

Alternatively, an expansive cosmetic shop could be built out, such that people would want to grind for multiple unlocks over several months, not one item over several months

[fair laurel]

I think WS should have cosmetic rewards

Then people will do them to collect cosmetics, at the very least

[frank lily]

thats my concern though, how do you keep people unlocking cosmetics for months without making cosmetics take months to unlock? There have to be multiple items people would want to save up for

[fair laurel]

Yes a whole bunch of em

[upbeat fossil]

Thruster color or animation, could do animated/colored shield glows or something, different weapon colors(laser blue,green,red) not sure how you could change color of batt/mass

[west gust]

Hades Star 2.0

lmfao

[upbeat fossil]

You could also do death animation? Maybe different color or something idk haha

[frank lily]

I'd make good use of that 😁

[upbeat fossil]

I mean you could do jump gate color/style but thats only really RS

and this is ship cosmetics haha

But the colors for BS could match the miner/TS so then you get more with the one purchase lol then make a switch button to turn off sync colors then it’s independent

To be able to mix and match them

Again if you do this, the dot would need to be red/green for pvp or have more outline highlight so its somewhat easy to tell

[frank lily]

I agree that a cosmetic shop with a new currency would be a good idea. Perhaps it can be obtained from WS and other corporation activities.

[frank lily]

There could also be module cosmetics, though you have to make sure these are fair (maybe disable for BLS)

Think about a modified vengeance/destiny visual queue or shield colors

It'd definitely be possible to build out a cosmetic shop such that people will keep playing WS just for cosmetics

Say it takes 3 WS wins worth of currency to unlock a cosmetic. With modules, ship designs, colors, weapons, movement effects, etc., you could definitely incentivize many, many months of WS play

You could also do ship highlight/selection colors, space station reskins, and some stuff Ham mentioned like death animations/ jump gate reskins. I'd certainly want to collect those.

[lapis gulch]

Starting to sound like Call of Duty a bit. Where I have to meet some requirements to get skins.
i.e. use 2400 hydro in a RS with a single MS and that ship gets a zebra paint job. Which goes away if it ever perma dies

[opal mauve]

Skins as objective rewards, lasts for a limited time until new skins/loss of ship

[frank lily]

i would dislike that very much

[upbeat fossil]

Barrier/suspend/weapon amp the devs have so much work now

[upbeat fossil]

It would be neat to see them change visually in general as you upgrade them

Like every 5 lvls or something almost like a evolution of the module

Maybe less than 5 only being 14 lvls? Haha

[frank lily]

I think itd be cool if the border around the module tile changed based on level

Maybe it starts bronze, then silver, gold, platinum or something

[nocturne solstice]

Is this a standalone application or Photoshop?

[upbeat fossil]

Some I do on my phone with apps/AI some do photoshop, if its a crazy camo or something detailed probably photoshop due to AI having weird lines and not symmetrical, but.. I will say AI is getting a lot better now

[upbeat fossil]

Would be cool to see some tier based upgrading meaning it adds visual effects, almost like the ship evolution

Even if it is just the module slot emblem haha

Planets add those satellite things, so we get a little bit of it haha

[upbeat fossil]

The miner/TS is a hard one just because theres not much to them, I haven’t really had time off of work to do more haha

I wont lie I started doing a shark xD

[nocturne solstice]

Slowdown and distortion (removed from game) added stripes in game

[opal mauve]

@upbeat fossil Try something like this if you can

[upbeat fossil]

Here some quick ones maybe this weekend I can do actual stuff these are not as good I don’t think

It shark from the bottom side lol

Easiest thing I could do this week so far

They are also bigger to show detail I guess should be a lil smaller

[frank lily]

Yoooo those are sick lol

The shark lmao 😂

You're good at those edits

[upbeat fossil]

Hard to do the fin type view haha

[frank lily]

Just noticed the miners are at the BLS scanner lol

[plain loom]

I'd definitely support this thus far, liking the 2nd from the left allot

[upbeat fossil]

Yeah new game mode, miner v miner just a game of hydro rocket

😂

[upbeat fossil]

Doing the colors and stuff is easy, the shark idea is a little harder haha

[plain loom]

Getting it in game will be trickier.. afaik HS/DN has a 3d engine underneath.. having ships move around with proper lighting from the star would be nice to see..

[upbeat fossil]

Yeahh I’m not that good I would also need a better pc I just have a 💩 laptop haha

[upbeat fossil]

Nom nom

[opal mauve]

Like the one on top left and the second last one

[frank lily]

This needs to get added 😭

[frank lily]

The dark purple glow is so good why cant it be on my ships 😭

I guess andreas decided sky blue is the only color a ship can be? 👁️👄👁️

[vague dome]

I think it would need to be for yellow star only, or people will start buying the most camoflaged looking skin for blue star matches.

I think that in PvP modes the skin needs to be default for everyone, unless it's just a decal like the corp logo on the flag

[frank lily]

id say have features for high visibility by default and allow cosmetics, but allow each person to disable them if they find them harder to see

[opal mauve]

Is this an ss of a ship parked by a diplo partner? This kind of colour is bit uncommon but it sometimes shows for a player's ships with whom we have diplo

[frank lily]

Yes it's a diplo partner

[upbeat fossil]

Better than base white or something?

When I do them I always add a little detail lol

Also changed warp lane little bit, they could add in cosmetics to change warp lanes as well, change lane color and that inside warp circle color

[upbeat fossil]

Thats like dark purple? I’ve never seen it look like that

[frank lily]

It's a 2nd/3rd diplo color option

[upbeat fossil]

Even choosing these colors would be good. But somehow make it only show your color to you in RS. WS would be team based but if theres a Red color thats problematic. Bls would be your color ship but the rest red anyway

For red colors again just do a green highlight I guess even when not selected, when selected amplify highlight

[frank lily]

Giving opponents a red glow, a symbol, or decreased opacity may be sufficient for marking in WS

Otherwise its alright to allow disabling of cosmetics for star types. There's a bunch of way to go about implementing this, and I anticipate the community would have a 99% positive reaction to it, even if not perfect

[upbeat fossil]

Need the red dot

Yeah if it’s just those colors I’m sure positive reactions but if you add to much detail and all that maybe not haha depending on how its done I guess

I do like the simplicity of the ships I just edit them for fun really

[frank lily]

I lean towards more detailed customization, i would love that

Perhaps you can alter color, but you can unlock the detailed ship models to equip if you want

[upbeat fossil]

Yes the detailed customization needs to be done right, maybe if this is going to be a thing reach out to community and do polls on detail ideas or colors, especially if we are paying $ for them

But also, I’m sure whatever Andreas would have in mind would work. it’s just nice to have community support on it. Not like an easy decision

[frank lily]

He added star/planet cosmetics, which have been neat so far

i think ship cosmetics require more thought into how they appear in each star type, and allowing disabling of cosmetics

but i don't think they're out of the question. I'd appreciate some more communication from the dev on what the next months/years of development look like

[upbeat fossil]

Put it in the suggestions I’m sure they’ll see it 😉

[upbeat fossil]

Flag ship cosmetics needed

“Donate crystals” to unlock in corp flagship menu but Im not sure how selection would work.. possibly a rotating storefront 48hrs and you donate then and there. Could have donation pool then voting system(seams like a lot), donation pool first officer chooses?

Needs a warning message though that you can’t get crystals back

“Cosmetic station” its a rotating store every 48hrs different cosmetics are available at this station, to equip ships with cosmetics you need to station them there almost like a “garage” … does not need to be a reset 48hrs but its more interactive for community yes the rotation can have same things from the last time or new doesnt matter. At first just to test it maybe not have it change only change with updates idk test it out

Cost of station 500 coinage

Also in the cosmetics station put all crystal purchases there everything maybe not maybe haha

[upbeat fossil]

What about influence as well? Or BLS score? For unlocking the more simple “design or colors” then people can buy with crystals more exotic things . Even for planets/ other cosmetics that could be added. More people would play BLS or have some reason to. But I’m not saying it consumes them for leaderboards but per season you accumulate them so somehow separate that with a spending section. Like overall score/ spending score it would be a huge task for devs

RS influence = way less . BLS = little more . Crystals = Good stuff

Or just BLS / crystals

[frank lily]

🤔

There's a lot of really interesting ways to do this. Some sort of objectives system with quests could be cool, an achievements system. Perhaps a shop using a new currency. Maybe a blend of all them.

Planet and star cosmetics are much appreciated, but ship cosmetics hold a lot of fascinating potential

[upbeat fossil]

At the end of BLS season you collect those fragments to spend? Or save for whenever you want

That makes it so people don’t spend money for some but make better options for the real $$. Almost like the planets “better” ones are more crystals the regular ones are like 500

Or to use fragments it cost wayyyyy more haha

Not saying to put a bls fragment icon in right side only keep it somewhere in menus or under profile

[nocturne solstice]

Where can I get this mod

[frank lily]

Those are just diplomacy partner colors

[nocturne solstice]

Above I saw how you changed the color of your ships

[upbeat fossil]

It is someone else in his yellow star through the diplomatic station

He did not change his color haha

But even those colors would be nice but those should honestly be free

Free first pay like 10 crystals to change? i guess it would take some effort to change that so maybe 100 to change

Or again those would be more like the bls fragments since they are already “colors” in the game but could add some new colors or do half blue/half green for 100-500 crystals im not sure

[opal mauve]

Battleship ate the blue star

[rustic pulsar]

The super detailed design makes the game look cheap imo, I wouldn’t stray far from simplistic design.

[upbeat fossil]

This is how a game I been playing does it

I feel like a new “station” that is basically a store would be nice, even move credit/hydro/crystal purchases there

You could do free ones by putting some in artifacts as bps then you just add in module research tab you can now research them as transport or miner skin/ bs skin to unlock them

Need to collect so many to research skins

Mix in the need for crystals in research from achievements

[wild barn]

Maybe basic colors and corp emblem can be free, liveries or more complex color grading could be done by buying sp1 sp2 or bls leaderboard rewards

[frank lily]

that could work well. Perhaps at certain XP levels you unlock new colors, maybe you buy them with credits. Other special cosmetics could be unlocked via complex achievements, with crystals, or in bundles

[upbeat fossil]

Well you could unlock like (1 bp for BS skin) in Red star 8 artifacts so either weapon/combat and you only get +1 bp and you would need like 1000 bps to research it all for just a skin haha but yes definitely add some that can just be bought for sure wether its crystals or creds

[upbeat fossil]

If you do researching them you could also get bp from daily bonus

[frank lily]

bumping for drip

[upbeat fossil]

Drip

[frank lily]

I gotta hand it to Andy, a lot of player requested features have been implemented like planet skins, ship movement, more artifact research slots, more special events, etc.

[upbeat fossil]

I think ship cosmetics would be a game changer but I think it would only be for the better?

Depending haha on how it all looks

[upbeat fossil]

Instead of a black dot do a blinking blue/green for ally, blinking red dot for enemy all aircraft space craft have litter dinging lights

Eh that's a lot of blinking in red star white star.. how about a twinkle? Haha

[frank lily]

Just custom ship colors would be so sweet 😭

If there were new ship models it would require a sprite for each level battleship presumably.
However, these skins could be locked until, say, battleship level 4 so that you only need 4 sprites per unique remodeling

[frank lily]

Using an alternate method of marking alignment like this would allow custom skins in all game modes without risk of confusing alignment. A prominent center dot could work

[main scarab]

Shouldn’t ships have a green dot on the left and a red dot on the right?

[frank lily]

Other way around

[upbeat fossil]

Red dot for enemy in the middle, green for ally

[lapis gulch]

That would help a lot and especially if everyone is running around with the same skin/color.
I can already see both WS Teams bringing dairy cow patterns and how crazy that would be

[upbeat fossil]

😂

[frank lily]

You already know I'd be smurfing in BLS with the cow skin lol

[upbeat fossil]

Andreas be like; you said cow?

[frank lily]

Nightmare fuel

[upbeat fossil]

The alpha vengance cow

We just doing the whole barnyard now 😂

[lapis gulch]

Listen… I think there is room in this game for a rooster themed BS.
🎶Yeah… Here comes the Rooster, you know he ain’t gonna die 🎶

[upbeat fossil]

The ol rooster shooter

[frank lily]

Its so nice 😭

Talk about a game update that would be recieved almost 100% positively.
The only negative comments about ship customization would be that it doesn't allow enough

I'm tired of the blue ships

❌❌

[upbeat fossil]

https://tenor.com/view/detroit-lions-kool-aid-man-kool-aid-gif-7049534478861771252

[nocturne solstice]

How do you do that?

[frank lily]

im assuming its photo edited?

that be really neat if you could do client side color changes

[nocturne solstice]

Если это с ПК, то не получится у меня,

Я с телефона

Не не надо

У меня такой телефон, что скаченные файлы хрен найдешь

[rustic pulsar]

Watch out.

Though I don’t think ship colors can’t be changed since none are sold. But if you try this for stars or backgrounds… it is gonna be breaking TOS, since those cost crystals.

Usually any game has a paragraph in TOS against this kind of activities

[frank lily]

Yeah that makes sense

I guess the question would be how would the game even detect this kind of change?

[rustic pulsar]

It won’t, these are all client changes. The changes will be detected by posting the stuff here :)

[frank lily]

I hope a more robust ship customization model gets added eventually, not just colors.
You could do ship models/types, color palettes, weapon cosmetics, shield color changes, movement trails, etc.
A bunch of additions could be made tastefully, and the player base would love it.

after working on DN for years, i understand a hiatus. I just hope some substantive changes get made, and I think this one is an easy win for the game

maybe eventually, im not holding my breath

[rustic pulsar]

Ask the dev 🤷‍♂️ or read the TOS carefully again…

[upbeat fossil]

That says nothing about apperances(aka cosmetics) Just for hacking.. I guess if you hacked the color changes in.. haha. Or for example if you go into your phone settings with the app running and change the date&time while the game times do advance nothing gets completed you cant collect anything.

I would assume changing the colors in a photo editor doesnt break the TOS due to it not being in the game. If thats what is trying to be said? I'm confused ig

[upbeat fossil]

Adding a few other things like station cosmetics, warp lane cosmetics, the list is litterally endless. Even the trail for selecting placement the dotted/dashes could have different options as well. But those would need to be crystals because that takes time and time costs money

We have distinctions well maybe with them comes some cosmetics other than the profile stuff

[frank lily]

I think with crystals coming somewhat easy from rs events, having crystal purchasable cosmetics could be fine for monetizing.

I'd like for achievements or distinctions to give cosmetics too like you said

Thinking it over, I think color options for ships should be offered as a color-palette, not an open promot to pick any color. People wouldn't like low-visibility or clashing colors, so it'd probably be better to offer an array of options

[frank lily]

https://tenor.com/view/catsad-gif-10975270751505630184

[misty summit]

I got this as part of an event in a videogame over 10 years ago. I would love to see this style in hades' star.

could also boost involvement in events for special ones that are time limited.

[frank lily]

Absolutely!

[frank lily]

What game?

[misty summit]

star conflict

[frank lily]

Destiny 2 has a lot of similar aesthetics where you can apply slightly animated exteriors to weapons and ships

[upbeat fossil]

Just idea for how purchasable ones could work the colors and everything meh (This is not in game this is photo editing)

Pricing too idk how coding works 🤣

[misty summit]

They'll probably need some form of off-shade if 2 people get the same one.

[upbeat fossil]

Well you could do like the lone BS and brighten dim one of them or again just have more of a highlight of blue/red/green

Around the outside

The (illuminate green) would then mean the green center illumates/flashes per tick while firing if wondering on that, which for white star that would then mean just a slow ping I guess

[frank lily]

OH GOD NOT THE 🐮

[hard tinsel]

the cow one has to be 5k min

[frank lily]

Bottom left one is

[upbeat fossil]

🤣 I just put the cow in for refrence

He my cousin

[frank lily]

Ohhh I really like the reset idea!

If you don't like a ship, you just wait for next week/month and it rotates randomly

[upbeat fossil]

Yeah I just put a random time for that. Im sure the colors/designs Andreas could come up with eventually he seams to be decent with the other game he is making too

[frank lily]

I'd be happy with crystal cosmetics, but I'd really like color unlocks or something to be tied to achievements, player level, credit unlock, etc.

[upbeat fossil]

Not saying it HS should change designs just add different colors

[frank lily]

Send the picture again, we already buried it 😅

[upbeat fossil]

He have to mail all the "level" and achievement ones to us through HS mail system and make a collecting thing there

For players that already there

[lapis gulch]

The cow needs spots and the center dot would be a pink udder

[upbeat fossil]

Next question would be.. are we having all separate cosmetics per ship.. or when you buy 1 battleship it unlocks a similar cosmetic for all ships almost like a pack deal? Or we have to buy the similar versions as such, or just random cosmetics across the board.. can try to make similar miner/battleships but I like just making random colors haha
The first 2 miner/BS are some what similar

[frank lily]

I was thinking people would mostly want battleship ones, but those miner ones are super nice

I'd say it could work for individual ships or packs, I'm not sure

[wild barn]

Nobody would pay 2k gems for one ship

[upbeat fossil]

If that led to more development in customizations I probably would

🤣

If it was miner/transport and battleship probably talking closer to 5k crystals? Especially if they Illuminated or did other stuff. Possibly you could get new exhaust trails for your battleship (only) with the bundles. Look at games like Warthunder obviously a little more going on there but those planes are $50-100 for one thing

[upbeat fossil]

Just imagine what Andreas could create. Some of the Athena ship designs look awesome. So why not HS? I'm sure it would also bring some popularity back into the game. We would need free ones some how though haha. Just ship skins not so much design changes

[sharp sluice]

Man we need some type of cosmetics just to be able to distinguish between different BS module on the ships

[upbeat fossil]

I mean he could re design that but seams like a lot of time. A possibility could be maybe with some of the skin cosmetics certain weapons cause the skin to do certain things?
Or take the time to redesign the ships as classes so they change a little bit depending on what weapon you install.

Right now we get the weapon design as if you are "zoomed out and cannot see what is installed" There is a game called Space Arena where it actually shows the weapons installed but it is not like this type of game. HS has a lot of stuff going on behind the scenes already as in (The more you add the more optimization is needed for phones not to lag, typically older phones)

[half geode]

That is sick af

[frank lily]

All of Hams proposals are sick

[lapis gulch]

Yeah, this really needs to happen and if it costs crystals, it could generate some revenue as people purchase some

[frank lily]

Could add a bunch of options, and do a "supporter bundle" that has an exclusive ship. See Deep Rock Galactic monetization strategy.

Players don't tend to mind premium cosmetics as long as their are non premium ones, and perhaps some semi-premium ie. Crystal purchasable

[upbeat fossil]

You could do them with leader boards as well, maybe 1 season if you win top 3 you get a special skin, top 50 get the same skin, maybe top 100 or something I forget how the crystals are organized out but basically same as that. AS WELL AS corporation events. Top corps in white star all get the same skin they can use against the next team almost like the distinctions

White star leader board skins would be cool because it's almost like a "team skin"

But should be different per season

[lapis gulch]

You are a Gold Mine @upbeat fossil

[upbeat fossil]

I think I may be into this game a little to much but not in a bad way * 🤣

Achievements don't really make sense for this due to some people already having them maybe? I mean if you max Dark red star Master.. make that the best skin there is? Not sure what end Achieve look like

There is a lot of customization Andreas could work on the problem is design and I'd assume coding like;
-Death animation (when you destroy someone else's ship)
-Ship cosmetics/skins
-Customizable Exhaust trails (colors, animation, design)
-Customizable station colors
-Customizable warp lanes (colors, possibly design of gate)
-Customizable asteroids (YS ONLY, colors, possibly just tacos)
-Possibly customizable shields (colors, design would be challenging so just colors)
-You could even say colors of bond, barrier, suspend, weapon Amp, vengeance (giant skull &bones), destiny

But this requires seasonal passes or some thing like that haha

[frank lily]

asteroids is pretty crazy lol

I didn't think much about warp lane, that could be really cool considering how many there are in stars

Considering the pretty in-depth planet & star customization, station and ship customization is definitely not out of the question

[upbeat fossil]

Warp lanes could be a major part of the system

Economically

[upbeat fossil]

BTW the colors and telling who is who.. when you select your BS or someone else's it shows an arrow? Well above that arrow put their in game name as blue or red.. with a red/blue highlight around the ships. Possibly in white star if the design is good and seamless keep names above ships? Idk haha

Could also add to cerbs for when they are selected

Shipname for ws red/blue could do green for allies blue for you

If he wants to add cosmetics for modules just attach them to skins within that shipyard layout but this will limit it to specific cosmetics unfortunately but possibly easier for coding or whatever. I can make a picture of this later

[upbeat fossil]

Didnt put much time into it haha but something like that obviously better design if that be a thing. (The shields would always appear their cosmetics to all players, which may be confusing)

[frank lily]

bro the cattleship is so cursed 😭

Amazing idea though, skins having module effects would be super cool

[upbeat fossil]

Just imagine it stuck doing the bond barrier wiggle (I also didn't crop it correctly I just noticed 😪)

[frank lily]

Honestly I'd prefer having shield/module colors or effects not tied to ship model

Allows more mixing and matching

Maybe some special ship models could have unique effects though

Like your tier 3 that lights up when firing

[upbeat fossil]

Yeah for sure having the modules separate is nice, also could come later just bring ship cosmetics haha

[opal mauve]

Wdym I used 3k for yellow star skin

[opal mauve]

Imagine the bs making mooing sound every now and then

[upbeat fossil]

That might be patented by Diablo 2 (blizzard)

[lapis gulch]

So … more Cow Bell then?

[upbeat fossil]

Not sure if you can patent a cow moo though 🤔

As long as when it is destroyed it goes MOOOO I'm fine with it xD

[wild barn]

2k gems for one specific ship or a type ?

[frank lily]

I think the idea is you unlock a skin you can apply at any time

2k gems is just a ballpark, but that's very manageable with how easy it is to get at least 500 a month in RS event

[upbeat fossil]

You get 500 free a month on Playstation if you pay for ps plus (online)

[frank lily]

Your designs are like the super car of this idea Ham

I would be happy to see color choice implemented to start, then move into more complex designs

[upbeat fossil]

My ideas are hades star 2030 edition xD

Once we all reach rs12

[rocky blaze]

If it moos upon death I'd die XD

[lapis gulch]

Personal request…
We need an achievement only color scheme that can’t be changed or turned off.

We need a Blue Whale BS for the folks who try real hard to force BLS matchmaking

Or when you win a ranked BLS while you are 300+ levels above everyone else

[frank lily]

I agree 100%

That's one of the exciting prospects with cosmetics, adding achievement locked items adds a new excitement to progression. It would genuinely be a driver for trying out game modes you might otherwise find uninteresting.

[echo cradle]

That's the only way how I can win bls.

[lapis gulch]

I realize just now that my little emoji guy was pretty insensitive. Sorry man. I assumed you were joking.
I regularly have to do 5-10 BLS a day just to complete the tasks. I often find myself 200 levels below the other BS

[echo cradle]

Don't worry, I was joking and even if I wasn't, you have all the right to make fun of it.

[toxic dawn]

For those of us that only ship cargo with relay, It would be nice to be able to fire up our Warp lanes just for aesthetic purposes. I mean so many people never fire up their lanes because they don’t ship with drone or TSs so everybody’s YS looks basically the same. Allow us the cheap hydro option to fire up the lanes just for decoration. We no longer have the option to personalize our systems other than that. Adding ridiculously expensive skins to planets is a non starter because nobody can See the effect without zooming in on a planet so nobody can actually tell that you spent shite tons to personalize your planets. NOBODY spends time going to forensically view other players YS systems. In the “old days” we at least were recognizable by our Warp lane design if not also by our Hydro farms. Just sayin

[lapis gulch]

So maybe have some kind of Sector based cosmetics? If you upgrade a planet skin, give it a nebulous glow?

[upbeat fossil]

That's why I said asteroids, make the hydro asteroids glow different colors possibly reflecting your yellow star cosmetic

[frank lily]

YS asteroid color could actually be a neat cosmetic

[upbeat fossil]

Same with warp lanes to be honest, just having different than blue like yellow,purple,red whatever.. I'm not sure what other sector based cosmetics would be

[rocky blaze]

Should be an easy mod, especially since bls and rs roids are different colors already

[brittle lichen]

Ship cosmetics in terms of only colors, should only be locally.
It would just become way too confusing and too advanced if same colors are visible to others.

[frank lily]

I disagree, this thread has discussed a number of ways to help differentiate player ships. It would also crush incentive to earn new cosmetics or buy them if only you can see them.

Also, on top of implementing methods to prevent confusion of player ships, you can just throw a setting in to disable others cosmetics.

[rocky blaze]

Honestly if I saw cow in my bls I would be both impressed and disturbed and I for one am all for it

Bring on the dancing horses

[brittle lichen]

Im not reading 377 comments to find that out, it should be stated in the post of how it would be done. lets say if 4 people have the same color. What then?

[rocky blaze]

Highlights

Basically border around your ships remains blue or a dot in the center remain blue

[brittle lichen]

How would we earn them?
Currently all the planets have a 500 crystal option for the cheapest. And they don't really look that amazing.
While the most expensive that looks better is 2000 crystals.
To me if they would implement this, they would most likely implement the same crystal hungry strategy in order for us to get what we want.

[rocky blaze]

Same way you earn tiara and jacket

[brittle lichen]

Interesting, sounds possible

[rocky blaze]

Some you buy with crystals others you earn through accolades

Somewhere buried in this mass of text is that suggestion

I think we need pins for this thread at this point

[brittle lichen]

That is my point, it is way too much to read. It either need pins, or the first post changes with new information about the most important points

[rocky blaze]

🤔 Compilation and repost

Into a concise list

Way to differentiate if everyone has same skin

[frank lily]

It'd be easy to have so many coloring options that its not an issue. You could have players select a backup color to appear as if someone has their same color. You could have colored glow, your name near your ship.
Maybe there is a cosmetic choice only visible to you to help with visibility in every scenario

You can think of tons of different options, working to implement cosmetics and then disabling them by default is probably the worst option

[rocky blaze]

Even so it would probably be better to have a color fixed on either highlight or dot for fleet difference

[brittle lichen]

Would be interesting, wonder how it would work like in practise.
Oh and what about white star that includes a lot of people.
Many colors could end up looking identical probably.
5 v 5, 10 vs 10,
is there 15 vs 15? don't know, cant remember.

[rocky blaze]

There's only 10v10 now

[brittle lichen]

oh, they removed 5 vs 5?

[rocky blaze]

Yep

Even now all ships are only different by these colors with the exception of yellow star

And rs

[frank lily]

For PVP modes, it could be good if each skin had an adverserial palette, or perhaps is just always red

[brittle lichen]

ooo

[frank lily]

#1210811733472710676 message

[brittle lichen]

love the idea

[rocky blaze]

🤔 I don't know if having a red tint over the skin would look pretty

Kinda defeat the purpose of the skin

[brittle lichen]

ohhh i see, gocha gocha

[frank lily]

although more effort, I think these ship skins are maybe the best ship cosmetic implementation

Although better than nothing, just selecting a color is a tad boring

I like the player agency it introduces though

I think Ham's mock up of a regularly-rotating custom battleship shop is fantastic

[rocky blaze]

It would definitely increase some attraction and money spending

In the case of CoC some skins are locked behind real money purchase only

[frank lily]

You could even add a new currency for BLS & WS that allows special cosmetic unlocks, give some more incentive

[rocky blaze]

Buy skins with fragments

And corps can buy skins with relics 😂

[frank lily]

In my eyes, there should be cosmetics tied to achievements, some you earn or buy with money/ in game currency, and then ones only from crystals or cosmetic pack purchases

Hell, pull a Deep Rock Galactic and make a "Supporter Pack" with a unique ship cosmetic

[rocky blaze]

Corp specific skins would be cool

[frank lily]

BUT- do not add only paid cosmetics without any progress unlocked ones, players wouldn't enjoy that much

[brittle lichen]

It wouldnt hurt to have multiple options. One looks more simple, one looks more advanced.
Some prefer one over the other.

[frank lily]

yoooo you like design a team jersey for WS 😆

[rocky blaze]

I would love to see Dumpster Fire running around in trash trucks or a unicorn 🦄

[brittle lichen]

The current planet system is just not worth it to use money on. And also who will look at your planet anyway.

[frank lily]

The more I think about it, the more I think Ham's idea is great. You buy ship models. That way everyone can see them, but a different variation can appear as needed in multiplayer settings

The color selecting can be saved for other options, like ship selection glow and asteroid color

[rocky blaze]

You can even have some skins cost credits, like the old style

[brittle lichen]

It would be great if some could be achieved through gameplay to boost the engagement with different game modes.
And some should be economy based.
And others through crystal.
It would likely be a popular option.
Maybe even achievement based too.

[frank lily]

100% I agree

[rocky blaze]

Golden ships for max planets

Or trophy green for all achievements unlocked

[frank lily]

Just tie unlocks to the in-game achievements, to varying credit amounts, could introduce new currencies for gameplay-related unlocks, and then do a rotating special skin shop for the crystal ship models

A shop that resets weekly could have 4 credit model options and 4 crystal options

again, I find Ham's mock up very inspiring

except for the cow, thats just unsettling

[rocky blaze]

The cow is the most necessary

And should be the most expensive

[brittle lichen]

There should be some troll skins, such as the cow.
As that would be a popular opinion.
If by thinking of how to make money in the eyes of a dev, I see alot of money in cow skin.

[rocky blaze]

Or a way to use custom ships for corps

Or rather upload

Half baked 😂

[brittle lichen]

That could be difficult to make work, as alot of corps or even lone corps with 1 person as leader could abuse that and make Custom ships against TOS

[rocky blaze]

True, most you might be able to get is color plus emblem honestly

Or even upload suggested skins for review

Might get overwhelmed at some point though

[brittle lichen]

Instead a system where you can upload, yet it would need approvement first before it could be used for corp. Yet this would mean extra uneccesary resources for the dev team. Unless other people could make that work out.

[brittle lichen]

sadly

[brittle lichen]

that would be a cool thing, if this would be implemented, he should make a post for ideas for skins.
That way the community could kind of make it for him. Or at least make the most important part be half made, which is the base.
And the dev could instead make some minor adjustments to them for his own liking.

[upbeat fossil]

Ship cosmetics!

[frank lily]

Couldn't have said it better

[upbeat fossil]

Ship cosmetics = Andreas:

https://tenor.com/view/head-scratcher-confused-perplexed-huh-clash-with-cam-gif-10198268

[upbeat fossil]

I did not see this one haha if that one and the cow coming at me with vengeance I'm buying $50 worth of crystals and speeding up research 😪 😉

[wild barn]

How long has this thread been running ?

[frank lily]

-# ||cosmetics have not been added||

-# ||not long enough||

[upbeat fossil]

Needs to reach 100-->

Seams like a high number for these haha

Almost there with the 💯

[rocky blaze]

Will it take a modded version of hs to get cosmetics?

[upbeat fossil]

https://tenor.com/view/unreal-no-unbelievable-steve-harvey-no-way-gif-5365038

[upbeat fossil]

Ship cosmetics = 😃

[frank lily]

Ship cosmetics

[versed mirage]

I'd like option for OG HS skin. Pasty bland blue. And plz I want OG cerebrus skins too.

Also steam workshop would be a very easy place for devs to browse community designs.

[upbeat fossil]

Biggest problem would be the diplo.. Just because it's buggy sometimes. But also it might help the game determine who is who though, now it doesn't have to "select" a color for you, you already have your color haha

The highlight around the outside would only change, meaning if you have the same skin you have blue highlight the diplo has green highlight

Just keep the highlight like that I guess not just for same skin

You could have nameplate but ws would have so many haha

[upbeat fossil]

But it would look clean with those could be an on/off option. But I think highlighting would be fine/ needed either way

[nocturne solstice]

It would be more convenient on DRS

[upbeat fossil]

Cosmetics = bigger yacht 😆

[upbeat fossil]

Update in progress....... .. . ..?

[frank lily]

The last update was over two* months ago
I would say its possible something slightly bigger than a patch is being worked on
Or its just a break from development. Who knows.

[upbeat fossil]

I just realized we could have sharks with dual laser beams

https://tenor.com/view/austin-powers-gif-24385376

[misty summit]

What do you think laser turret is?

[upbeat fossil]

That's not a shark

I did a shark miner skin up

Unless your saying... laser turret be the shark skin but that's harder

But none the less it adds a little change to the game that doesn't focus on mechanics, modules, economy (other than the ones you pay for)

There could even be holiday drops somehow through discord? Like gift codes. Or for some of the players who have played forever special ones 🤔

[misty summit]

Yea, I agree, we need more PR

An event where cerbs are skinned as gremlins?

[upbeat fossil]

Krampas maybe

If you don't know. Look up Krampus show 2024

||viewer discretion advised||

Just scary

[misty summit]

https://tenor.com/view/gremlins-singing-christmascarol-christmas-monster-gif-4239908413876512369

I know Krampus. Loved this movie https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6cVyoMH4QE

[upbeat fossil]

They do it in real life and it's too creepy haha

[upbeat fossil]

Wouldn't ship cosmetics influence loss farming? Then it's really easy to tell who is who idk thought about it

Also they would want the crystals to buy them if that's what they be doing

On the other hand if it costed hydro or creds (i guess crystals too) people would have to grind more aka play more 😂

Maybe within the artifacts there are free blueprints but you need to research them, possibly add in another research slot for cosmetics only or not idk

Almost like pieces of a puzzle cosmetic ahhhh it'd be so sweet but also tedious

[narrow grove]

maybe special arts that give you cosmetic blueprits

[frank lily]

Ooh that'd be neat

[upbeat fossil]

Might as well just keep the cosmetics in the module menu with the modules, just have a section for cosmetics not sure what the emblems would be though that's the same for blueprints anyway. But you could just select them there and when selecting it just hides menu and asks to select/tap the ship you want like that to make it "simpler"

[frank lily]

I can think of so many different ways to implement the shop, currency or unlock system. I hope we get to see this someday.

[upbeat fossil]

Maybe in the Hades Star: Return of Cerberus update

[frank lily]

this is such an involved addition, it would obviously be a more major update.

it could potentially be rolled out over months, with a shop added & additional cosmetics over time, I'm not sure

it would be sweet if there were limited edition cosmetics, thats always neat in games.

[upbeat fossil]

If they are working on it props to them for sure 👏

[lapis gulch]

@upbeat fossil Any chance we can get a Santa’s Sleigh paint job?

[upbeat fossil]

I was feeling a snowman for sure 😂

[upbeat fossil]

Got other colors but not Santa at least yet been working to much. Also these aren't cut out great & couple might have different heads/top but again mainly color even the emblem stuff just ideas lol 😐

& the dots are off again 😂

I would need side by side to get that right, dual monitor would go hard rn 😂

Obviously with better production and quality, I'd say scale the bs up a little more than they are now just to show detail. I guess if that doesn't mess everything else up haha

[upbeat fossil]

This is full zoom, and tried to do same scale so it's not to bad anyway, some may complain tho haha idk to me I think it would be fine because they would have a better quality in game

And let's be real if we want Christmas cosmetics just put a Santa hat on the head of all battleships 😂

Bls go ho ho ho

[frank lily]

Ham putting effort into a christmas skin: ❌ 🙄
Ham scientifically concocting the best cow battleship: ✅ 🔬

[frank lily]

these look amazing

[upbeat fossil]

The cow was effortless it runs in my ham blood🍖

But maybe I think I got a long weekend this weekend so mayyyybee

The cow has to be like bls top 100 skin that's just funny... simple yet great😅😂

But then I'll never get it 😭

[lapis gulch]

They look awesome.
So maybe the first skin pack will be “The Barnyard”?
Need a Rooster, a Pig and an exclusive “Ham” skin only available to you

[upbeat fossil]

Lol

I did that emoji forever ago with green regen

[upbeat fossil]

With dots on miner now 😂

[lapis gulch]

Ya know… those miners kinda have the shape of a beetle

[void plinth]

https://tenor.com/view/shut-up-and-take-my-money-futurama-fry-take-my-money-money-gif-15195954

this miner on top damn 🤤

@keen coral for real

[upbeat fossil]

Don't Tag devs

Lol

But foreal here's a $50

[upbeat fossil]

I don't even think I saw this.. this is awesome haha the dots weird but I'm down

[void plinth]

Yea ping might be suck but srsly this suggestion supports the game people would threw money at this stuff maybe not all but there will be some so this suggestion IS GOOD as it would support income for dev!

[upbeat fossil]

the development process is way harder than just editing a picture tho

While these pictures are great formats and design ideas actually putting that into the game to me seams rather impossible.. but do able id assume 😂

Can't just copy and paste it in is what I'm saying haha

& there's no way they haven't peaked in this suggestion yet 😅

[void plinth]

What ever it takes this can be made for sure maybe not like youres.
least there are planet skins obviously expensive havent got one yet.
but this bs and miners dang definitely a thing i would think about to threw my crystals at.

how ever somethign that generates income for a game should have priority aswell same as bug needs fixes or suggestions should be worked on but least this one helps grewing devs income so this should have somewhere a priority No?

[upbeat fossil]

They could have been waiting for the funds to implement it.. but again once it's out there I don't think that's a problem

[void plinth]

It doesn’t matter why or how he didn’t include it from the beginning.
The fact is, every source of income counts to help him work on the game in general.

I don’t know much about programming or game design, but i would assume that anything bringing income to the game would generally be helpful, right? so this thing should have had priority and this suggestion almost a year out lol

We could spend all day discussing why he didn’t implement it into the game from the start, but he also worked on Battleship right after the DN beta, probably to establish a second source of income which he ultimately stopped working on as well and once failed..

[upbeat fossil]

Andreas be like ho ho ho gimme all your money 🤪😉

Drops day after Christmas 😂

I would not even care

I'd assume if they are working on it, they are doing a whole thing with how they are installed and purchased and they gotta design and code and make sure no bugs probably a 2 year process lmao

I think, they probably didn't do it because they wanted the simple/sleek design I mean they may even be wanting to edit cerbs to match detail on it because they think it's not gonna be equal. But that's why I have been placing the "cosmetics" close with cerbs I think it looks OK like that, even with the stations I don't think everything else would also need a re work. Which could be another concern

I'm pretty sure long time ago, players didn't want ANY changes to visuals so now we asking for cosmetics haha

[heady lava]

I want my drones SLAYS 💅

[upbeat fossil]

Another concern haha. Do drones match bs models

There's a lot to go into it

I mean they could go into major detail with it like implementing different shield colors per cosmetic, like mass batt shoots 3 purple dots instead of what they look like now. (Whatever matches the color of cosmetic) Or they can just do simple bs skins that only change visually, maybe a mix of that with more expensive ones $$ it's really up to them because I think just visual skins would 1) boost player count 2) increase Andeas Cred cap.

People like customization a lot for some reason and I think just that would actually increase the amount of players because they like.. what we can customize our ships??

Again definitely recommend doing some corp cosmetics so if corp has it everyone in corp can use it for free. Maybe corp crystal donation or something

[heady lava]

joining BSO for the drip

🗿

[upbeat fossil]

I guess depends on the drip didn't think about that ig everyone would be doing that. But if you left you don't keep it. Also you could have FO/Officer set donation amount to receive so you cant just be doing that making it not "free" depending on corp

Almost like corp emblem options maybe? Was trying to make a "team" option basically with the ability to just use your own cosmetics

BSO gets their own anyway that's free for their current members

[void plinth]

holy shet each ws you win youre bs gets more shiny 🤣

https://tenor.com/view/dbz-goku-super-saiyan-gif-18419668

[upbeat fossil]

Lmao in bls could be ships destroyed

Just gets more and more particle effects and shiny 😂

[plain loom]

Would be cool though.. some sort of kill counter.. would make you a prime target..

Kill the king for a relic.. 🤔

[frank lily]

chameleon miner

tbh, there could be a separate currency for ship cosmetics

ive ranted about it ad nauseum, but i can really see a ship cosmetic implementation that players would appreciate

i think having a couple unlocks tied to achievements would add some interesting prestige to some skins, then having a rotating shop that changes could be interesting. Maybe some skins can be purchased with credits, some with crystals, some with a unique currency

[upbeat fossil]

Well that's why I was saying some of the free ones could just be in addition to research and you find blueprints in artifacts. Then you still do achievement/distinction skins for free as well. With the rotating store is where you get profit, within this store do some for crystal/credits

I'm talking like 10 million for a cosmetic if it's creds tho if it's top tier obviously. If your to low level you still see these bigger ones to make you wanna upgrade more. Obviously 10 mil is a lot I was just giving example

Lol

[frank lily]

oooh thatd be cool if you have a chance to get cosmetic 'blueprints' from artifacts

man there could be a really unique and sweet mechanic there

[upbeat fossil]

I think I then said that the cosmetics could be placed in the module menu, for unlocking them you have to research after collecting the amount of bps. But also kinda meh you loose a research slot haha

The more rare or unique it is the longer research time hahaha

[frank lily]

yea id lean toward a new cosmetic menu with its own research slots

[upbeat fossil]

For sure haha. But like each rs level could have its own and you gotta collect it for all. I mean maybe after like rs5 or something

[frank lily]

would cosmetic artifacts be their own type, or cosmetic blueprints can come from any artifact?

[upbeat fossil]

Oh.. yeah that's what I'm saying because then there's just so many haha

[frank lily]

hmmm there are a lot of way you could implement a system like this

[upbeat fossil]

Like if you added multiple to each rs like in the different arts I think maybe to much but idk

Could also be rs 7 has it, drs 8 has different rs 10 has other, drs 11 has different not every single level haha

Many options 😅

[frank lily]

I think having some luck of them coming from normal artifacts would be really interesting.
The daily artifact research can get mundane, itd be neat if different cosmetic blueprints had a chance of coming from them

[upbeat fossil]

Could be % based some how in any art maybe higher % chance in drs

Like art boost but this is the general mechanic and can't be boosted unless ws bonus only counts for it

[frank lily]

yea thatd be interesting

[upbeat fossil]

Idk if we would want art boost to also increase that chance

[frank lily]

alternatively, there could be a separate research station for cosmetic unlocks...

[upbeat fossil]

Yeah that's why I was saying just keep everything within the ship yard. But a Cosmetic store station would be better then the research and collection shows inside there

[frank lily]

yea thats true, less station bloat

[upbeat fossil]

Nah the extra station wouldn't matter, you could also create a new "module menu" inside there with different tiers or types of cosmetics. Like Battleship, transport, miner instead of combat, transport, miner, shield. The cosmetics have emblems resembling them like the modules with the # of bps

Also have the rotating store in there when the store resets have it flash like your rich asteroid is ready 😊

[frank lily]

you could have
1 ) a semi-luck based system where cosmetics are unlocked via blueprint collection
2 ) a currency based system where you buy cosmetics with "activity tokens' (say you get a currency for winning blue stars)

it could be interesting to have cosmetic tokens that are earned from activity in different star types, could inspire people to play more BLS or WS

[upbeat fossil]

Need both in my opinion haha

Depending on how much tokens are worth.. bls you could get +3 for 1st, +2 for 2nd, +1 for 3rd. Make a cosmetic cost about a weeks worth of 1st place only or more idk haha

[frank lily]

i feel like most long-term progression style games have deeply implemented cosmetics systems, its a little strange how absent it is from the game

it took until DN to have star and planet customization, which was a fantastic addition.

[upbeat fossil]

It's hard to determine because it's not profitable for them to make these and only get more play time out of it? I mean they gotta make money off of play time alone 😂😂

[frank lily]

i dont mind the star system cosmetics being crystal only unlocks, since they're fairly background and simply a nice option

[frank lily]

yea i agree

[upbeat fossil]

I'm just saying like it should be harder to unlock the free ones granted I guess 1st place all week in bls would be hard for some, you still keep those and could get 3rd place for a month in order to unlock 1 cosmetic so is that worth the devs time? I think so haha

[frank lily]

I would point to Deep Rock Galactic as the gold standard of cosmetic implementation.
They have an outstanding number of cosmetics unlocked through gameplay, but several DLC available to support the devs. The DLC give some really unique and interesting cosmetics

so many cosmetic DLCs

that being said, the dlc add weapon skins for like every weapon

[upbeat fossil]

You gotta think of what engine HS is ran on tho haha it's also like mobile based game.... look at all other mobile games 😂

If they brought cosmetics HS would bulldoze all other mobile games maybe 😂😂

At least for me

[frank lily]

i guess the issue becomes variety in cosmetics right? i think some of the paid cosmetics would have to change the shape of the ship to make people really interested

[upbeat fossil]

Especially with a collection system because... yes Pokémon go is Pokémon but everyone loves looking through their collection and seeing all they have accomplished

[frank lily]

but that gets into the whole convesation of when ship cosmetics are visible, how they would affect gameplay~

[upbeat fossil]

Which goes with module levels and all that, already complements a cosmetic collecting system

[upbeat fossil]

Cosmetics would always be visible with highlight

[frank lily]

agreed, hades already is a long-term progression and collection game, long-term cosmetics unlocks & collection would fit right in

[upbeat fossil]

Also could make this an option within ws, bls, and or rs

Only on battleship tho

[frank lily]

yup, i think any number of solutions could work.

[upbeat fossil]

I kinda wanna know like why they haven't? I know before a lot of people were complaining about visual changes so I'd assume because of that

Like the game gets to much detail? Maybe

But he added it to console so my assumption would be a BIGGER HS future.... ship cosmetics only available on IOS and Android hahaha is also fine (but maybe impossible)

[frank lily]

1. its a lot of work to implement a respectable system
2. different ship levels would require adjustments for each cosmetic added
3. people would complain if they were only available as purchases, so you need gameplay unlocks
4. need to implement cosmetics in a fashion that compliments the game and doesnt stick out (new station, new technology tab?)
5. need to make sure skins don't accidentally offer some gameplay advantage (camouflage)
6. lastly, need to solve how to make cosmetics close to optional (?), without outright allowing people to toggle them off (increased visibility, highlighting, accessibility options, etc.)

i think there's a series of questions that need to be answered to avoid backlash. All in all, ship cosmetics are an easy addition that 99% of the community would support.

[upbeat fossil]

1. they will be paid 2) they will be paid 3) we answered that above already 4) New Station with research tab that resembles module research tab 5) highlight 6) can only swap cosmetics in ys possibly with ship stationed on new Station 7) they will be paid 😝

But it does really make sense to sneak cosmetic bps into artifacts, possibly sneaking some into 1st place bls reward

Well maybe 1st-3rd limited amount

Or the token idea. But bls could have more rare cosmetics than rs leaving 1st-3rd able to collect. Change these bps every so often leaving room for only some to collect all of them to be able to research that cosmetic ya know

Maybe with rotating store-> bls winning bps also rotate

You could actually collect half and then have to wait for it to come back around 😂

That's almost like helldivers 2 they have rotating store if you don't purchase right away it always comes back in like couple weeks

You could put few bps in objectives making you want to complete every single one of them as well

Kinda changes that system tho

[frank lily]

Well two things you have to balance with #6:
1 ) Avoid annoying people with cosmetics
2 ) Avoid people writing off cosmetics
You want to make sure cosmetics don't compromise the overall game aesthetic (Would skins look ugly with a red/green highlight around them?)
You also need to make sure they don't confuse people (make sure they know whos ship is whos)
You also don't want to allow disabling cosmetics altogether in game modes, as then people will care less about them

[upbeat fossil]

You can make red/green highlight an on and off option, more experienced players know who is who generally speaking. Also looking at the name of the player is there, if they are planning on hiding names within stars completely then yes need a different option

[frank lily]

maybe the BLS skin rotates each season, and blueprints are gained from matches

or you could do a rotating shop with bls currency. there is also the question of whether bls cosmetic currency can be gained past your ranked matches, so you can grind a bunch in a day?

[upbeat fossil]

If it's an option you can just turn it off and imo I don't think the highlight would matter it's in the background not like it covers the skins

But you could just flash the highlight over the enemy periodically so it is like there and not

Lol

[frank lily]

The whole conversation also depends on how far you want to take cosmetics. You can really build out an expansive system if you allow weapon cosmetics, shield cosmetics, movement trails, etc. etc. etc.

[upbeat fossil]

They already had bls fragments

They will never finish cosmetics like this 😂😂😂

[frank lily]

im just thinking... you can really build a cosmetic shop with less effort by having more variety

[upbeat fossil]

Yes but more to put into the game and time to work on it 😂

<-- like my omega shield profile picture haha just to much detail

[frank lily]

like you could totally have cosmetics for barrier or wamp, could be interesting. But there its also nicer for new players to know exactly what they're looking at without needing to know cosmetic variants and whatnot

[upbeat fossil]

New players would have less cosmetics you'd think but smurfs I guess

[frank lily]

the reason i also bring up this variety is because paid cosmetic DLC bundles having weapon & module cosmetics that can be mixed & matched with other cosmetics makes them much more desirable

[upbeat fossil]

Also radius and what is happening you can tell like wamp has the damage indicator under the BS or whatever is influenced

Yeah some should come with warp lanes

Like what if you could customize individual warp lanes

Each one a different color

[frank lily]

it comes back to this

[upbeat fossil]

Like a rainbow

[frank lily]

i can just see a perfect 1:1 adaptation of the DRG model...

[upbeat fossil]

1st pack needs to be warp hub pack like multi colored rainbow for each if you want or do 2 and 2 colors whateverr

Lmao

[frank lily]

You can have different style sets, each offering a specific look. The set includes module and ship texturing~

[upbeat fossil]

You could do that with the star system cosmetics too that's already there. Like for the prices of the more expensive already add the warp lanes to match those maybe make it easier on them

[frank lily]

You can have specific collections of unlocks, including module effects, drone effects, weapons, shields...

[upbeat fossil]

Yeah the packages would be everything but idk how much those would be that's why I'm saying. Warp lanes with the star system price already to get a standard metric here 😂

[frank lily]

WarPlanes would be nice, but i think the average player is relaying...

ship cosmetics are the universal language - drip

[upbeat fossil]

I'm saying price not what it is haha

If costing crystals

Or you saying just buy it like sp?

The package deals *

[frank lily]

yea im thinking its a paid supporter pack

[upbeat fossil]

Man we are getting so close to a battle pass

😂😂

[frank lily]

you can absolutely have slots in a rotating shop dedicated to crystal unlocked skins, but im thinking having paid cosmetics packs is a respectable way to monetize the game, so long as the options for unpaid cosmetics are there

[upbeat fossil]

Well I thinking do like split these cost credits these cost crystals, these cost $ these have bps lol

Within each rotation do like 2, 2, 2 of each so it's basically tiered purchasing

[frank lily]

the nice thing about module cosmetics is you only have to make one template too...
unless you lock ship cosmetics to a battleship level, you are looking at 7 models per cosmetic..

[upbeat fossil]

Well you could make cosmetics unlock at a certain BS level to minimize that 😂😂😂

Almost like your not high enough rank

Making you upgrade it more haha

But kinda cheese and I'd wanna see the lower lvl bs with them

[frank lily]

I think the rotating shop could have 1 WS token skin, 1 BLS token skin, two credit skins (credit cap bar can vary), two crystals skins

The blueprint system can be a separate model from the shop

[upbeat fossil]

Nahhhhh only cost 1 token?!

Oh read that wrong lmao

[frank lily]

haha

[upbeat fossil]

Only 1 selection

[frank lily]

yea thats probably the best solution

maybe bs4 or 5, though maybe some easily unlock skins can be available for newbies to catch thier interest

[upbeat fossil]

What tie the cosmetics station to battleship level? Once you upgrade to that the station unlocks

Lol like rs scanner, trade station

[frank lily]

but goddamnit this is all just fiction. I think the model we've laid out would be received incredibly positively and bring in money, and take a ton of work lol

[upbeat fossil]

Yeah that's why the first round has to be just $$ paid 😂

[frank lily]

perhaps, id buy it lol.

[upbeat fossil]

Give us a supporter package now that when we buy it, it grants us a package for later when it releases

[frank lily]

people wouldnt be happy if it was solely introduced as paid, but id buy it

[upbeat fossil]

Problem is if they never do it. But if it's possible they should do it that way they would see the support for it. Obviously we would need the example proof of package

Do like a trailer for it or something

[frank lily]

I was also looking at https://discord.com/channels/255083954036670464/1237851929711738891, i think doing an official discord poll in #announcements to look at interest in this and other suggestions would be interesting

[upbeat fossil]

The support pack? Or just ship cosmetics? Pretty sure you already did ship cosmetics poll?

😂

[frank lily]

maybe i did, but my polls just get buried in general, and they arent official

[upbeat fossil]

Oh makes sense

The people really be going hard on modules right now so it's either change modules or ship cosmetics 😂

I'd assume ship cosmetics would take all of the devs time which they seam to be focusing on modules right now

Eh as always

[frank lily]

I would be interested in doing a series of polls

1. Do you support adding paid ship/module cosmetic bundles to the game to support development (Y/N)
2. Do you support paid cosmetics in addition to cosmetics added through achievements and an in-game currency store (Y/N)
3. Do you support adding ship/module cosmetics (Y/N)

maybe i can refine the questions and put these polls in a channel they wont get buried

[upbeat fossil]

All of these will be yes 😂

[frank lily]

idk, some people dont like the paid only. i would vote yes to all lol

[upbeat fossil]

Yeah but why would you not add the collecting system? That's just another part -> ehm better addition to the game that players would enjoy rather than complain about. Like just the collecting system of bps for it would introduce a great playable system. Yes you'll complain why do I have to collect so many but also wouldn't trading arts advance this?

Another reason to trade as well maybe have them give different bps after passing through diplo 😂

Endless cycle

[frank lily]

man it would be glorious

a shop system, a token system, a blueprint system, paid bundles...

id take any two of those lol

[upbeat fossil]

Blueprints kinda tied into shop tho after research the bps go to shop cosmetics tab which shows the "module" but instead it's battleship, transport, miner

[frank lily]

the module cosmetics is a whole other can of worms, but i think mixing and matching them would be very interesting. i could definitely see drone cosmetics being a sweet addition

[frank lily]

ahh i see what you mean

the blueprint system could be explored many different ways, thats definitely an option

[upbeat fossil]

I think all cosmetics there because it's less confusing trying to go between module cosmetics/ module research, ship cosmetics.. , cosmetic research is through artifacts

Cosmetics Store station, would have buy tab, and "researched"/ maybe apply tab that shows the bps and how much you need(similar to the module tab) Instead of going into module tab at all

That way you can select (unlocked) and it shows all unlocked for modules, ships

Like the research tab now😂

[frank lily]

i dont think cosmetics should have a time to research, they should just have the blueprint requirement

[upbeat fossil]

Then it could show like this

Idk haha

I was gonna say something like only show research hahah

All of them go here even ones you purchase or achieve that's why I'm saying it's a collective which this would be the apply tab, the store tab is where you actually buy

I mean it could all be store and when you select 1 it just shows price for where unlock/upgrade would be

[frank lily]

that could be a very workable system

[upbeat fossil]

I'll try something with the emblem to see if it looks alright because it would be awesome if they showed like the modules but that's hard to do and hard to imagine.. probably harder to code in 😂

[upbeat fossil]

Something like this I suppose. The ones with bps would be found in rs arts, when you select those instead of price it would tell you which level rs arts maybe?

Either a big depiction in the selected cosmetic or you can do like the modules and show the cosmetic in the slide show gif like it is now with modules

If you already have it unlocked. Instead of price on the bottom. Put, "apply" or "apply cosmetic" then maybe just select a ship like CR support

Or have the ship docked get the cosmetic... but this option would be weird with a storefront?? Or nah.. I was gonna say if it's weird. Just do within module research.. 😂
On top of menu it can say "modules/ or cosmetics:

Absurd how easy it is with photo editing.. development would be not so easy 😂😅

Either way new station or not. Purchases could be made within the selection in last picture haha

This way it keeps module upgrading seperate, but you could have cosmetics to modules and all that in another tab. Also probably more simple to have it in the lower left corner rather a new station

Already did "storefront' station type. I guess these are crystals haha

But store front could just be the rotating store.. which I said before I think haha then your selection and what not bps is in the module menu related to picture above therefor you wouldn't make purchases there and 2nd photo means nothing lmao

[frank lily]

yea i think a separate page makes sense, i guess it depends how crowded it would be, ie. how many there are

[upbeat fossil]

I guess rotating store front could have the bls token ones, ws token, and credit ones. Then $ or crystal ones made in the selection menu that way bls/ws are somewhat tied to seasons almost. The $ are always available for everyone

& with it inside the module page, you can scroll down so with the cosmetics tab it can hold all of them meaning battleship, miner, transport, and all the modules too. Then whenever you install that module the cosmetics already active.

[upbeat fossil]

They even have the option to do p2w cosmetics like 2x bls winnings 1 per day there's so MANY options which some people would be in disagreement with

This kinda ties with poll

So my suggestion would be only do cosmetics for purchases.. then maybe with leaderboard/distinction do skins that give these type rewards bonus. Because you are then rewarding amazing players haha also they may be super high level and need that boost. This is a way to be different (meaning the devs) not doing p2w rather play 2 win haha if that makes sense

Or nothing at all only cosmetics which is best in my opinion but again speaking on the poll of why people would say "no"

[upbeat fossil]

Ok how does bro even have that name though?

[rocky blaze]

Interesting thing to call yourself

<@&255087095079632906> not sure if you want to do something about that 👀 ☝️

You can ban me too if it makes you feel better

[bleak notch]

aww, no collateral damage 😦

[frank lily]

eh i dont think 'different' is ultimately the goal. I think i get what youre saying though

frankly, i imagine the anti-cosmetic players either
a) dont want gross monetization practices
b) think the cosmetics would add visual clutter / make gameplay more confusing / just be uglier

[rocky blaze]

If visual clutter is a concern, could there be some kind of option to have that turned off? Same way you can turn off currency animations

And as for gross monetization, cosmetics are a great way to monetize without affecting gameplay

[frank lily]

i agree with both, definitely

however, i think a 100% toggle off should be avoided if possible

it would diminish the value of cosmetics, something else should be tried before resorting to that

[upbeat fossil]

I will post an idea about the supporter packs in a little while

[upbeat fossil]

Possibly make them purchaseable but in order to claim you need to complete "simple" objectives. I don't think they should be tied to modules maybe emp ships, but should be destroy # of cerbs maybe or shipments. (Make different easier ones or harder idk) The credit rewards should be reduced minimal so it's not pay 2 win but more gives an objective and it's not "mindless" purchases haha. Also with p2w aspect you will see more purchases. Yes I took this out of a different game 😂

Again minimal credit rewards could do hydro based reward instead. I didn't want to spend forever re adjusting credit numbers you also should get a little 25 or 50 crystal pack within it so shouldn't be crystal rewards

also 2/5 claimed my bad 😂

This could be console/pc layout mobile would be top down type deal.. obviously change it so it's not copy right idk if that's a thing

You would think battlepass but it's not like you are grinding... these should be very easy objectives like destroying 2 Sentinels. There's no xp grinding you just get x2 rewarded basically = people buying it

Which brings me back to why is our original objective system so easy once we are like red star 8 but that's a different topic 😂

[upbeat fossil]

But either way with or without objectives

[frank lily]

agreed though, there are games that have done a battlepass type system tastefully, just avoid time constraints and dont make it overbearing~ kinda like hell divers 2

[upbeat fossil]

Come on I didn't make it that obvious 😂😂

There are just a lot of different ways to incorporate things and I am only here to inspire creativity not that we should be changing things completely

[upbeat fossil]

Objective system needs re working anyway haha should really have a corp based objective system that possibly auto rewards to flagship forcing/helping the level ups if you choose to do them. Or per objective reward a 2% art boost for corp per week idk haha again different subject 😅

[frank lily]

yeah the objectives system could be combined with other games systems to be more meaningful

the objectives & rewards could be rethought

[upbeat fossil]

I mean it is with "win blue star with this module" but feels kinda meh I guess so you unlock new modules. But why not just get 1st place in 2 blue star matches or survive in red zone(center star seams meaningless) for X amount of seconds lol just so random... I think there should in general be Corperation Objectives meaning destroy X number of cerbs.. or like win X number of red stars as a combine, kinda no matter how it rewards haha

[frank lily]

thatd be neat, but that sorta exists via the RS event

the top 100 corps with destroying cerbs get a bunch of crystals monthly

[upbeat fossil]

True but red star events are weekends

& not every weekend

I meant like just the same as personal objective. but corperation based then you could increase amount more so it's not as hard ig which would mean even keeping personal not change. Just more "social" aspect

[frank lily]

yea that sounds great

[upbeat fossil]

& X number of red stars is an example lol doesn't have to be one

Could do shipments and trade this much

Within your own ys but it's a collective

[frank lily]

seems like some people have suggested the corporations objective idea in some form, and it received a lot of community support

it may be worth crafting a suggestion of a revised objective system with some novel ideas

[rocky blaze]

Run 3 ws in a month, do a full rs with full clear, upgrade flagship,

[upbeat fossil]

Win 3 white stars seams really forced haha. But distinction. I guess maybe if there's was like 1 monthly. I think there definitely should be 1 every 10-12 hours maybe 12 hours like old personal objectives just so you don't get them both same exact time haha

[lapis gulch]

Corp based objectives would go a long way in this game.

Still feel like the Corp should have its own Star that operates at WS speed and credits gained by running shipments in that Star go to its upgrade cost

[heady lava]

that

actually sounds good

a really nice design to begin with, a star system similar to ys but only allow for corp members

[upbeat fossil]

Just make corp yellow stars? Like you pay to unlock them, have multiple. But make the "rewards" go to flag ship donations 😂

It's exact the same as ys now but shared like old times.. but you have to pay to unlock it to scan

Like white star, but yellow star

[upbeat fossil]

Idk about having multiples I just said that as a joke😂

But

That has a shared credit system within that star

[lapis gulch]

Red Dawn
“Multi-Versal Corporation”

[upbeat fossil]

And you can buy unlock planets, sectors, together, build trade stations, warp lanes with that shared amount

Warping your ships in to help because higher level mods lmao

Warp gate is diplo, and you have to pay to enter maybe? Idk

But no bls or red star scanner obviously

Then you don't even use your own credits for flagship donations lol

[rocky blaze]

Having a star dedicated to flag donations sounds like a good thing

Maybe you can pay for art bonus for a week or something too

And ws win gives you even moar bonus

Make Corps Great Again

[upbeat fossil]

Then activate a warp battle 🤬

Which is white star

[frank lily]

Hey this is a pretty good suggestion

I guess the #community-dashboard ranks this lower since the primary reaction is 💯 and not

This is one of the few posts affected though, so it shouldnt matter too much

[lapis gulch]

Do I need to start a new post for the Corp YS?

[frank lily]

there may be an existing forum post, i can check

https://tenor.com/view/look-how-they-massacred-my-boy-godfather-sad-cry-hurt-gif-16433641

[tall crane]

Shoot I'd be happy if I could just assign the same in game color to corpmates. Did that make sense?

[frank lily]

We couldve been at the top of leaderboard. the game was rigged from the start

[frank lily]

i looked through the results of "corporation

[lapis gulch]

I’ve made the suggestion a few times in other posts so maybe it’s been seen by the devs

[frank lily]

sorry didnt finish typing that and had to work 😅

[frank lily]

i looked through the results of "corporation" in #1206751668344197191 and it seems like there is a handful of suggestions for new corp features. if you dont see one that exactly vocalizes your suggestion, definitely make a new one that details what you want to see.

if im understanding your suggestion sum, i think i detailed something like it here:
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[upbeat fossil]

If not true cosmetics we should have the option to change colors like the diplo, red star colors with a highlight background of red, green, or blue based off of who is who.. with an option to turn off the highlighted backdrop

Make more of those colors too, is basically what I'm getting at anyway my ideas are a little more excessive than people want probably.

It's more fan art in my opinion but I guess not when I edit the ships into picture of the game 😅🤣

[upbeat fossil]

With the new media channel, wouldn't cattleship be technically "fan art" im sure other people might have a creative eye like that. Maybe we can get a "fan art" or whatever channel? Maybe we could see some people creating fan art like the pictures in the UI of hs?

[frank lily]

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since this is resuscitated, I compiled the concept images from the whole suggestion here 🤠 🐄

Most of them from the mighty Ham🍖

[upbeat fossil]

I just got a fancy laptop too so might do some stuff this weekend that's why I said the fan art thing 😂

Big maybe I'm not 100% sure

[frank lily]

I love these ones

idk how you do it, they look phenomenal

[upbeat fossil]

I already told you😂

Definitely someone messaged me about it

[frank lily]

you probably have mentioned it before 😅

[upbeat fossil]

Would be interesting to give the longest leaderboard runners special ones. I mean props to them. Like a distinction. But fo selects that cosmetic for white star only

Then have basic ones or something idk 😂

Sounds more esports like though haha

[rustic pulsar]

Yeah, but also no (imo). This would ruin the sci-fi feel akin to being a strategist at some HQ, looking at a futuristic simplified interface with only important information highlighted, like ship factions and ship types. I hope that Andreas hasn’t implemented the feature due to a similar reasoning.

Alternatively, different “friendly” factions could be added, besides our usual “Empire”, with different ship sprites, but the coloring would have to remain the same, regardless.

[frank lily]

I personally feel like choosing player aesthetic is a universal upside and would only contribute to the sci-fi feel, especially if they look as good as hams edits

There is a conversation to be had around how skins interact in each star type, the last thing you want is to cause confusion with cosmetics

[upbeat fossil]

Honestly like the profile picture one didnt really get the shield how I wanted it but I started with the shield like that ended up tweaking it for the less graphic effect I guess. Also bs has pointy horns lmao so its not perfect. I'm saying just like color schemes not structural design changes

Thats not what is meant. But im not saying go crazy and ruin immersion of what is already

[rustic pulsar]

Well, I think sci-fi is better expressed in the icons we have right now, rather than flashy skins that would turn the interface into a disney land.

But yeah, that’s just my opinion.

[frank lily]

I wouldn't say there's anything particularly iconic about the default ship appearance, and ship cosmetics wouldn't drastically alter any 'interface'. If they are tastefully implemented they would 100% add to the aesthetic.

[spice current]

said photos pretty much explain that its possible to add skins while still keeping the integrity of the game

[frank lily]

I get that there are players that prefer minimalistic design, but I think most players would certainly prefer the option to customize. It is possible to compromise the games integrity if the cosmetics are low quality or not thematically appropriate

And I would say the cattleship and shark miners are not necessarily the ones I'd argue in favor of implementing, to dari's Disney land point😅

[spice current]

-# but there have to be exceptions! for the meme!

[frank lily]

If it's for the meme, it should be comically difficult to unlock

[upbeat fossil]

The way im doing it alters things a little bit, I mean I'm not literally building the ship in unreal engine lmao. I dont have that much time on my hands. I dont even know how to do that.

[frank lily]

dark star master + Blue star warrior + team player achievements to unlock cattleship

[upbeat fossil]

Andreas could literally add skins look at like cod too flashy and over the top, but before like cod4 red tiger was my favorite haha just simple designs that still fit in the sci fi space I guess. Its a video game in 2026 it can have cosmetics

I get that some people dont like it. But it can help the game if there are paid skins

Obviously do free ones tho or earned ones

I mean cod4 you didnt pay for cosmetics I guess🤣

I'm actually having a hard time doing the same thing now because, the technology im using advances to fast. So man it really alters them now and makes it look way too 3d I can send new one in a little bit

So like this one didnt change much, obviously maybe to flashy but the blue almost looks like a shield and the cattleship is less like a cow but has the reminder

This one ended up way to dark, but it also rounded edges made it more 3d and thats what im ending up with mostly

But its more about the cosmetic design not the ship structural design

I really like the 2D almost like sketched drawing art of the games ships it really does look better imo

So Andreas definitely sketched their design and put thought into it. I may be putting thought into how to get the colors but I'm not designing them like they should be? I guess im trying to say lmao

Also it would take way longer to do it the right way, then how I'm doing it.. also they probably won't implement it because a lot of people dont wanna break immersion, your not guaranteed money off this and it takes time like I get it. I just like using my creative side

Its my escape from the world tbh 😂

[spice current]

some could be unlocked by credits🤔. would work like a milestone similar RS level. but those kind of skins are generally worthless in other games so maybe no. Lets just stick it to achievements and crystal🤐😁

-# one that unlocks with the aging of the acc😏. at that point just add skin name in the ship description...

[upbeat fossil]

Here's a more direct version of what it could look like i guess. Keep challenging me and I will be able to make it how it should be

[upbeat fossil]

I guess but its already alot to just implement paid skins like expanding it further and further is great but I mean the devs have not even breathed in this thread yet there still holding there breath 😂

[frank lily]

There are a few reasons cosmetics are 100% the way to go for the game, I'm going to update the op later to address my thoughts more clearly

[main scarab]

I don’t just want skins I want to customize my engine trail, my teleport lines, explosions

[upbeat fossil]

Yeah i mean ive definitely said that before. Thats why I made the "store page" out of the module list

It can scroll or have tabs both fit in the game

Even warp lane customization would be awesome I cannot create that in image form though lmao

I mean maybe something in unreal engine but that sh is so confusing ive been trying to use chatgpt to learn it but its also 100% free 😂

[frank lily]

Yellow star mod customizations would be uncontroversial, like shipment drone, genesis, enrich. Visual changes in pvp and PvE could be confusing and would need to be solved

There's a universal solution of just allowing cosmetics to be toggled off, but that would devalue them and would be lame

[main scarab]

We need star skins for other stars too not just ys

[frank lily]

I'll edit the mod idea and star idea into the OP.
It may makes sense for them to be separate suggestions, but I don't like crowding the suggestions channel, it can take attention away from other good suggestions

If anyone wants to post examples of mod or star variants, I can add links to them in the OP too. I'm thinking of some cool bond color changes too.

[spice current]

or give color palets/themes that will show everyting inlersonalized color. kind of like the support color blind suggestion.

[upbeat fossil]

Well you could do ship packs, with all the same cosmetics for these certain modules and ships. for bond change the color or whatever but the link chain part in the middle could be red/green/blue to determine enemy friendly. destiny, vengeance already have the emblem so change the color of that. Ship skins would be hardest to determine who is who. That's why the option in settings would be better of having "center dot color on/off" or "tactical highlight on/off"

in bls obviously all are enemies. in ws you know who the players are just might have same skin so that part does get confusing

[main scarab]

We could even have official art contents to make bundles. Winner get the pack and some gems for making it. Then either can buy the pack or earn exclusive ones for achievements, objectives or whatever

[upbeat fossil]

I can make them move with image animations just with a video editor... hmm this is focused on the star center 😂

[frank lily]

Maybe there should be an art channel like ham said 🤔

[upbeat fossil]

Yeah but idk if that's really fan art 😅

[frank lily]

It's tricky cause the media channel is meant for videos, but there is scarce Hades fan content that is just images

[upbeat fossil]

I was gonna do a youtube channel upload regular hs stuff but I get distracted and I'm busy with work haha

[main scarab]

Would have to know what people are interested in. I think stills or short clips are easier than long form content. Who’s gonna start watching me stream hades every day?

[upbeat fossil]

I mean it depends on how you stream white star maybe. If you do commentary you could watch multiple different ws. I guess talk about it, you could always like do a bls or rs during wouldn't have to be entire ws. talk about the game and stuff. Streaming anything takes a while to get viewers. All depends on how you make it entertaining

[frank lily]

okay I completely rewrote the OP

[upbeat fossil]

This is a cosmetic

[sterile swift]

Look what the cat dragged in

[shadow flicker]

There is nothing positive about implementing ship skins. Let's keep this game free from this plague!

[frank lily]

Amazing argument, I never thought about that

[shadow flicker]

Do I need to explain, really?

Kids...

[frank lily]

Yup you need to explain

[elfin forge]

I suppose anyone can state any opinion without explaining. But that opinion only carries weight when supported by arguments.

[shadow flicker]

points at every shop-driven p2win game

I understand what you want, but can any of you give me a reason why it's good? "Gives an additional incentive to regularly return to game (have cosmetic purchase options that refresh frequently)", that's a joke, right? All upsides lack an argument imo.

I complained about ship graphics myself some year ago, but I just realize it's actually a very very good thing we don't have skin shop or any cosmetics. I'm glad. But that's me.

[elfin forge]

One, HS already has cosmetics that no one's complaining about.

Two, cosmetics aren't p2w at all. Technically HS is already p2w with crystals anyways, but it's never been a problem either.

Three, I agree that cosmetics that are only purchasable in a limited timeframe are a bad idea. Crystals are obtainable without real money and you should be able to reasonably save up to buy even the more expensive cosmetics (as is the case today).

^^ That's all just my opinion

[spice current]

so youre saying, because of existing bad buisness practices (that are well known and there are good exemples too), I (and a mayor part of the player base) shouodnt have the ability to personalize my game experience when im willing to pay the price AND barely affecting the experience of others?

I get your reasoning and youre right (partly) but looks like you dont get these P2W systems that you mention

or you would have said something more in line with Charismaticleo

[shadow flicker]

I never said cosmetics are p2w. P2w games often have cosmetics as a big part of the bussiness.

[frank lily]

I mentioned previously in this suggestion thread that I think a gold standard for cosmetic implementation is deep rock galactic.
It has an expansive inventory of cosmetics that are obtainable through gameplay, but also has purchasable skins that are explicitly stated to support development.

I think Hades may have an issue where it is free to play and there is such little incentive to purchase any options in the shop.
I also think the platinum subscription is a less attractive method of support for players, as opposed to one time purchases of a desirable cosmetic

I.e. I would consider purchasing one of the platinum star skins if it were a one time $10 purchase, but I’m not currently compelled to pay for the subscription

I suppose I’m not attached to the shop mechanic, there was an example from ham of using a blueprint system that I think could be a solid alternative

[Here it is](#1210811733472710676 message)

[spice current]

that sounds like an infinite money pit XD. still worth to consider🤔

[upbeat fossil]

People have a job and want to spend that money on hs instead of some dumb mobile game

Micro transactions like cosmetics really support the game, and make you feel more connected to your account.

Definitely dont add ship skins with special abilities or something thay makes it p2w. Cosmetics are not p2w. Crystals are definitely p2w

Sure a kid sees a cow ship and asks mom to buy it. Look at cod, fortnight. I'm not really sure how many "kids" play this game tbh. 16+ you can get a job and not ask your parents. That helps you more than the game

I also didnt read much of those recent comments I'm at work😂

We already have planet and star skins. Ship skins would make sense.. also.. its your choice to spend your money

[upbeat fossil]

Hey man I'm paying the sub I want to see the game grow and I enjoy supporting it. However I dont have Netflix, or really any other subs so its not a huge deal

Just discord and hs for mobile subs 😂

[shadow flicker]

It's not like money made Parallel hire more developers. Whales have killed lots of games. If there's very few devs and the top dog don't care, or only cares about money, imagine what could happen D;
Nah, probably no kids in the game. But clowning opinions that differ from theirs is kid behaviour.

[upbeat fossil]

More developers won't help the game imo. They would want to make changes Andreas/player base doesn't like

Also look at gta 6 there delaying because they keep firing people. More people makes decisions more difficult

[elfin forge]

The clown emoji is a scourge on the internet

[upbeat fossil]

Everyone changing their names to 2025.something is wild 😂

Need corp objectives for next update how bout dat. Run a poll

[main scarab]

Skins are the best possible option for keeping the game running and expanding. We don’t want the game pay to win but they need to make money somehow. Skins solve both of those problems

[frank lily]

If you don't want ship cosmetics, I understand but I disagree. But expanding other cosmetics would still be a must

I don't think many people would buy crystals for cosmetics, and it doesn't math out very favorably. It would be like 20 dollars each per planet skin for 5 total, and it is something you can earn via gameplay anyways. So I think unique purchasable star skins would be a great idea. -- that gets into the platinum subscription, and I wonder if that will ultimately earn more for the game than 10 dollar one time purchases

[upbeat fossil]

I think it's honestly time to hear Andreas thoughts about it maybe?

Is it already being thought on, is it just a suggestion in the wind? I mean it is a "top" suggestion. I was gonna say every so many months run a poll on top suggestions. Whichever is voted 1st Andreas gets to talk about it😂

If it's something everyone wants anyway.

[frank lily]

The communication about suggestions has been very good. I think it’s most helpful when development specifically comments that a suggestion is in the backlog, being considered, or not able to be added. this post previously had more reactions, but they had to be removed with the implementation of community dashboard. I think it is one of the more popular suggestions and I wouldn’t be surprised if it is commented on at some point. I think the feeling towards cosmetics can already be inferred based on the implementation of planet skins and star skins. The platinum subscription further shows that cosmetics are a preferred method of monetization for the game. I think a lot of the ideas discussed in this thread are reasonably likely to be considered.

[past summit]

I wanted to say that the only case where cosmetics would be a bad addition to a game (aside from them causing you to have some advantage) is if the cosmetics are too childish. And I don't really see how cosmetics in Hades Star could get childish. Even if it were somehow possible, I would bet money that Andreas wouldn't go for it anyway.

[main scarab]

Is this childish? Cuz besides a custom flat color this the only skin I want

And maybe my gate to look like a bbq sauce dip cup

[past summit]

Not childish, just goofy

Like I said, I really don't see how it would be possible for the cosmetics to be childish in Hades Star

[upbeat fossil]

Man. Seams weird but I'd probably buy it 😂

[upbeat fossil]

I get that they are communicating but this has love and hate in it. So it would be interesting to hear Andreas thoughts on it I guess. Also its a money maker so I'm surprised we havent heard anything. Sometimes Andreas jumps into a suggestion and says something. Its never often and hasn't happened in a long time

This is a different suggestion its not like re balance weapons or change this or that

Also if this is a "side gig" like I have heard in past, I would assume we haven't heard much because they dont wanna spend time on it

[frank lily]

its at 110 reactions right now, I bet itll get responded to if it reaches 200 or so, which i think it could get to at some point

[upbeat fossil]

It goes up and down

[frank lily]

I think the previous highest reaction count was 120 before the other emote got removed d/t #community-dashboard implementation

[upbeat fossil]

It was at 100 and something went down to like 97, now its back to 111 that was like last week or idk 😂 dont remember

[frank lily]

and that was all before suggestion reaction meant a real possibility of addition to the game

so I could see this suggestion growing again, if there is good activity on the discord

[upbeat fossil]

Yeah even the ol discord seams slower tbh blue star chat not really that's always pretty active

[frank lily]

I agree, it has felt a little slower recently. It has always seemed to ebb and flow though

[upbeat fossil]

Ship Cosmetics! This isnt off topic 🤣

[frank lily]

its even more cursed since they dont have movement lines, they are simply drifting

[upbeat fossil]

Yeah because its just a video editor haha idk how I could get the movement lines

I have been trying to shape it so its more like original design too it kinda difficult tho haha

Also there should definitely be free ones I think players think they will all be p2w because there are no free cosmetics in the game. It does break immersion I guess if its a cow or a deep fried skin. But idk thats why I have mentioned maybe building or researching skins. Then its like a capture and collect type deal. With MMO ideas that leaves a lot of room for a game mode where you collect some and research. Could be different like in ship yard you drop them off not research station. Maybe just collect fragments idk no research

Not p2w 😂 but whatever

[pale karma]

tbh i just want to change my color

[spice current]

-# and names

[upbeat fossil]

Thats also what I said in the mass of text above

Which doesnt have to change for other players in bls or ws, but for ys and rs should be able to choose your colors

Maybe diplo but could possibly loose track of ship

A diplo ship could just be forced to a certain color

[strong blaze]

This has been said already, but the thread has become slightly unwieldy: While I love the idea of being able to customise ships, this has the potential to be problematic in WS and especially BLS, where being able to pinpoint the enemy at a glance is essential. That said, I often struggle to do so with the current BLS setup, due to a lack of colour differential between Cerbs, Lones and enemy players in BLS.
I’d settle for piercing red and green navigation lights on either side of player BS to begin with, but I’m liking some of these suggestions.

[pale karma]

ws can be solved with a team color

[main scarab]

Or color blind mode Iv been asking for forever

[frank lily]

I can't find a statement favoring or opposing ship cosmetics from development, but the star and planets customization suggests to me it may be considered.

ship cosmetics are much more complicated since they have gameplay implications, but I think they would be a very cool addition.

[pale karma]

surely ship colors cant be that hard right?
surellyy

[blazing merlin]

Full recolors would be incompatible with PvP though

[pale karma]

only needs to be visible to me

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[upbeat fossil]

Just make it only noticeable to other players in your ys.. then noticable to only you everywhere

[upbeat fossil]

Or this option?

[pale karma]

its really not a problem and we've adressed it like 19639 times in this thread

[pale karma]

yeah sure that works

a lil more complex but eh who cares

[upbeat fossil]

I meant to say that as an option in settings 😂

[pale karma]

ah why not

kind of a needless option tbh

just stick with one method or another