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lime flicker Sep 21, 2021, 2:05 PM

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you can't still get stuff pinned

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the threshold is 10 now

shell rain Sep 21, 2021, 2:06 PM

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yes

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i dont think ive even met 10 people in my whole life

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we would have to like dm people asking to get stars now lol there's never 10 people in anglais simultaneously

lime flicker Sep 21, 2021, 2:06 PM

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what are the last messages that almost got pinned?

shell rain Sep 21, 2021, 2:07 PM

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i forget

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id have to find them

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but they had like 7-8 stars 😔

lime flicker Sep 21, 2021, 2:07 PM

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maybe they weren't starboard-worthy then :þ and given what was getting pinned lately I think it's a good filter

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however, let us know if there are messages that you think should be starboarded and fail to in the future

shell rain Sep 21, 2021, 2:07 PM

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but when will 10 people be in the same place at the same time

lime flicker Sep 21, 2021, 2:08 PM

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we'll see if it needs adjusting

shell rain Sep 21, 2021, 2:08 PM

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well

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the only message I'd send are mine missydoge

lime flicker Sep 21, 2021, 2:08 PM

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right, so that's where a filter comes in handy :p

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we don't want a daily pin

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the rarer the better, hopefully

shell rain Sep 21, 2021, 2:09 PM

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but then it's just going to encourage people to ask for stars

lime flicker Sep 21, 2021, 2:10 PM

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then people should know better :p

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stars are something you deserve, not something you ask for

shell rain Sep 21, 2021, 2:11 PM

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it's #🌈anglais-français you have very high standards for us when we have the collective iq of a drunk ant at a 7 year old's birthday party

shell rain Sep 21, 2021, 2:11 PM

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lime flicker stars are something you deserve, not something you ask for

yes but people will ask for them when a message is like 3 off now because it was raised by like 3, and it'll be hard to have a moment where something funny is said and there's 10 people around and they all star it

lime flicker Sep 21, 2021, 2:11 PM

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well, I believe the filter was about changing that mentality but we might be better off addressing it differently

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thing is, we've already said multiple times before not to abuse the starboard, so I don't quite see what more we can do (and ultimately we raised the threshold because of that)

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except telling people it's not okay to ask for stars

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but I haven't noticed anyone do so lately (I could have missed it)

shell rain Sep 21, 2021, 2:13 PM

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well idk

lime flicker Sep 21, 2021, 2:13 PM

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again, next time something specific happens, you can let us know (#NostradamusDMs) so we can be more efficient in dealing with this

shell rain Sep 21, 2021, 2:13 PM

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maybe it could get a rework or something

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i mean

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nothing like that is complain the modos worthy

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it's just a message that I suppose wasn't good enough to be starred idk

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they all reached the old threshold but not the new one

lime flicker Sep 21, 2021, 2:14 PM

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I don't know, I don't think the starboard is something we're prepared to put a lot of energy into

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I believe the community should be more sensible as to what they send in there

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because it's something that is there for the people and managed by the people

shell rain Sep 21, 2021, 2:15 PM

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then why punish people for starring stuff

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yes it's abusing it, but people, active people, still decided to star the messages

lime flicker Sep 21, 2021, 2:16 PM

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we like that the community can have a channel to have fun with, but we don't want to showcase abuse at the top of the server

shell rain Sep 21, 2021, 2:16 PM

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fair enough

lime flicker Sep 21, 2021, 2:17 PM

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that's not the image we want to give

shell rain Sep 21, 2021, 2:17 PM

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I get it but the community was having fun, i think people would've seen that more, but I do get your point

lime flicker Sep 21, 2021, 2:17 PM

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so yeah, the threshold may be too high (and we'll see about that in the future), but in the meantime that's the simplest way we can tell the community to pay more attention to what is pinned

shell rain Sep 21, 2021, 2:17 PM

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idk maybe the issue isn't the limit, maybe it's the people doing it

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maybe ban people from the starboard if they abuse it again

lime flicker Sep 21, 2021, 2:18 PM

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like I said, we've addressed starboard abuse several times before

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and we don't want to have to manage it 24/7

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this is just my 2¢ in the end but I'm pretty sure a lower threshold will be back eventually

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when things settle down

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(as in: when people stop starring out of habit)

shell rain Sep 21, 2021, 2:19 PM

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lime flicker and we don't want to have to manage it 24/7

maybe have community members do it

lime flicker Sep 21, 2021, 2:19 PM

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hmm

shell rain Sep 21, 2021, 2:19 PM

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Starboard Modos

lime flicker Sep 21, 2021, 2:19 PM

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but then it would become all the more arbitrary

shell rain Sep 21, 2021, 2:19 PM

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Modos d'Étoiles

shell rain Sep 21, 2021, 2:19 PM

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lime flicker but then it would become all the more arbitrary

wdym

lime flicker Sep 21, 2021, 2:19 PM

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people weren't happy when I removed some pins arbitrarily; if non-staff get to do it, it'll be worse

shell rain Sep 21, 2021, 2:20 PM

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well

lime flicker Sep 21, 2021, 2:20 PM

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also, modos d'étoiles means something that we have to think about and setup, aka effort put in the starboard, and that's not what we want

shell rain Sep 21, 2021, 2:20 PM

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there's some stuff that obviously needs removed

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like one word messages and questionable stuff

lime flicker Sep 21, 2021, 2:20 PM

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if you think so you should report these kinds of messages

shell rain Sep 21, 2021, 2:20 PM

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well i mean

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it happens all the time i thought

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idk

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i dont look at the starboard anymore

lime flicker Sep 21, 2021, 2:21 PM

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that's why we put a higher threshold?

shell rain Sep 21, 2021, 2:21 PM

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if people starred it in the first place it'll get starred again

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it depends on the circumstances

lime flicker Sep 21, 2021, 2:21 PM

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well I don't know

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I feel like I answered all of your points

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we'll look at the starboard again some time in the future

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and see if we make adjustments

shell rain Sep 21, 2021, 2:22 PM

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yes I'm just sharing ideas

lime flicker Sep 21, 2021, 2:22 PM

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ya, thanks!

shell rain Sep 21, 2021, 2:22 PM

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And who deals with that stuff

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if you don't want to put effort into the starboard, who deals with the list of stuff that has effort in it

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is it the modos or the committee

lime flicker Sep 21, 2021, 2:23 PM

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I'm not sure I understand the question

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effort naturally goes into what's currently more problematic

shell rain Sep 21, 2021, 2:23 PM

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well yes but isn't there a list of things that needs done somewhere

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or are those only for the bots

lime flicker Sep 21, 2021, 2:24 PM

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oh yeah, several

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there are comité, modo and admin todo-lists

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all of which are

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rather large

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:D

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oh also developers' todo-list

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probably the biggest of all

shell rain Sep 21, 2021, 2:25 PM

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I see lol

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will the list ever be complete

lime flicker Sep 21, 2021, 2:25 PM

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no

shell rain Sep 21, 2021, 2:25 PM

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or are things being added faster than they can be done

lime flicker Sep 21, 2021, 2:26 PM

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well

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we don't add items to todo-lists whenever something comes up

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we decide what's worthy of being in a todo-list

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so the lists are more or less always the same length

shell rain Sep 21, 2021, 2:26 PM

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ah

lime flicker Sep 21, 2021, 2:26 PM

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doesn't mean we get nothing done, quite the opposite

shell rain Sep 21, 2021, 2:27 PM

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nono I'm not saying that

lime flicker Sep 21, 2021, 2:27 PM

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we just make sure we spread workload evenly

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tableau des étoiles (and staff todo-lists)

shell rain Sep 21, 2021, 2:27 PM

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I'm saying there's a lot of things that do need to get done I figure maybe things are probably being added faster than they can get done with such a small team of people working on them

lime flicker Sep 21, 2021, 2:27 PM

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no, that's what I'm saying

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we filter things we add to todo-lists

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to make sure the list doesn't grow faster than we get things done

shell rain Sep 21, 2021, 2:27 PM

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Ah

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I see

lime flicker Sep 21, 2021, 2:28 PM

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for example if you told me “what if Nostra helped dealing with the starboard”, that would be low-priority development and I would say no, because there are more important things to get done

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now that sounds extremely dismissive though lol

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usually what we do is like

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we try to figure out how to optimise ideas first

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and I'm basically alone in this chat so other staff might look at it and be like “wait, Eowyn is wrong, this could actually be worth doing”

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then we'd discuss it and maybe it'd get added to the todo-list after all

shell rain Sep 21, 2021, 2:29 PM

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interesting

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it seems like a lot of thought is put into ideas though, even the ones that seem kinda of useless

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which is nice to know

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but yeah i do see how there's many other things that take priority over issues like this one

lime flicker Sep 21, 2021, 2:30 PM

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oh yeah we never dismiss anything too rashly as a team, it's important to look closely at all ideas to be sure of what should be done with it

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that's why we always remind the community just how valuable their input is even if sometimes we sound like “No.”

shell rain Sep 21, 2021, 2:31 PM

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yeah I get it

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I'm glad to know that everything is taken into consideration though

#tableau des étoiles (and staff todo-lists)