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glossy eagle
I don't know about the inclusive pronouns, but here's a little correction
As a COI pronoun, "lui" is used for both men and women.
Je parle à Anne = Je lui parle
Je parle à Jack = Je lui parle
However, as a tonic pronoun, "lui" is only for men.
C'est pour Anne = C'est pour elle
C'est pour Jack = C'est pour lui
slate abyss
I'm only doing complement indirect pronouns (so I don't think I have to worry about the tonic pronoun but i'm not sure because im not entirely sure how the grammar system works)
hallow rampart
Do you specifically need to include neuter/inclusive pronouns in your presentation?
Those are nonstandard and it's hard to pinpoint a rule regarding them, they basically go unused apart from LGBT circles.
For the most part standard French only uses masculine and feminine pronouns and that's what most learning courses care about
I myself won't be able to give you any info regarding them, I have no idea how to use them
in standard French, mixed groups use the masculine plural
slate abyss
Do you specifically need to include neuter/inclusive pronouns in your presentati...
yes, thats kind of the point of the project. My teacher said there isn't really any standard rules for them and I'm just now realizing how confusing they can really be
hallow rampart
also, doubling down on what tieguy said,
"elle", "eux", "elles" are not pronoun complements
"lui" is used for both genders in singular form
"leur" is used for both genders in plural form
je parle à Anne -> je lui parle
je parle à Tom et Anne -> je leur parle
the list you found is about stressed/tonic pronouns
hallow rampart
I don't know anything about neuter/inclusive pronouns in French
fortunately there is a LGBT linguistic community on the server, they might be able to help you out
I'm going to tag @sick birch @gleaming plaza as it's a rather specific topic
rustic mountain
do you know if there are inclusive indirect pronoun complements?
Considering lui is used regardless of gender in the singular and leur is used regardless of gender in the plural, as flynn said, I'm not sure what you're looking for
None of the indirect pronouns reference gender at all
Your initial list would just be
Pronoms compléments - singulier
Me
Te
Lui
Pronoms compléments - pluriel
Nous
Vous
Leur
And if you're only doing third person it'd just be lui for singulier and leur for pluriel
slate abyss
so for pronoun complements inclusif would it only be for the direct and tonic pronouns?
rustic mountain
Yeah
Direct would only be in the singular third person (le/la/etc)
Tonic is probably the most relevant one
That's where you get the ellui and elleux and whatnot
slate abyss
Im kind of confused between tonic and the indirect ones though
Je parle a lui/je lui parle?
are they interchangeable?
hallow rampart
Im kind of confused between tonic and the indirect ones though
Je parle a lui/je...
It's based on the verb. Some use tonic pronouns, like "penser à".
parler is not such a verb
rustic mountain
They're called pronoms conjoints vs pronoms disjoints, there's not a whole lot of info out there since it's a bit hard to explain
Generally speaking you'll just get the feel for it naturally
opaque void
tonic pronouns basically happen when the pronoun is out of position with regards to the verb, hence disjoint
"je lui parle" all the pronouns are connected to the verb normally. The subject pronoun comes first, then the (indirect) object pronoun, then the verb.
Sally et moi allons au parc. Here the subject pronoun is disconnected from the verb. Je goes with the first person conjugation, but since we're talking about me and Sally, we have to use the tonic pronoun
Je parle à lui, à elle
is the same. lui and elle are not connected to the verb in the manner of the indirect objects i.e. coming directly before the verb
hence they must be tonic
rustic mountain
They were asking why we would use the tonic form rather than the indirect object pronoun — which depends on the verb — not how to place them
There are some rules on why certain verbs use them but it's hard to explain