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[viral junco]

Je rentre à l'hôtel

au l'hôtel is superfluous : à le le hôtel

rapporter and rendre are synonyms

For the final bit, you never use « retourner » to return something

« retourner » with an object is less 'return' and more 'flip upside down/inside out' like « J'ai retourné mon sac pour trouver mes clés »

[olive geode]

you’re on the right track and the descriptions all seem correct, but I suspect you’ve missed some possible uses (nothing specific comes to mind… its just that these types of words can be used for a lot of things)
You’re also missing the verb ramener (synonym of rapporter, but used for people and sometimes fir objects)

[half summit]

thanks for pointing that out, @viral junco , I did write a note to myself saying that I don't have to use retourner for returning objects 🙂 Thanks!

[half summit]

Ahh yess.. I have it in a separate category. Let me add that here.
Do you agree with bertiebear that rapporter and rendre are exact synonyms? No difference there?

[dusty veldt]

Rentrer is not always about home

It can mean to go inside

Like if i go look for my dad outside bc i think he's smoking and i find his friend but not him i can ask "il est rentré ?"

= il est retourné dedans

[half summit]

yes.. It can mean hotel, apartment, home, wherever I'm staying. Right?

[olive geode]

Sometimes synonyms but not always

[dusty veldt]

No no I'm thinking of a nar

Bar

[half summit]

ohhh...

[dusty veldt]

It can imply where you're staying but not necessarily

[olive geode]

Yeah rentrer can just be used as a synonym for entrer even

[dusty veldt]

It's also used to say fit (in a small space)

[olive geode]

It doesn’t always carry the meaning of “again”

[dusty veldt]

But apparently that's a southern french thing

[half summit]

so just to clarity, rentrer implies returning to the place where you were; and retourner implies going swhr, am I right in visualizing it?🥲 @dusty veldt

[olive geode]

Also “la rentrée” is back-to-school

rentrer can be going back to a place, but not exclusively

[half summit]

omg .. lol. Things got complicated. I wish there were clearer rules to this..

[olive geode]

Ts just that the re- prefix can be for repetition but it can also be an intensifier

[dusty veldt]

well it has the re- prefix so it usually means to go back where you were buuuuut it can be used without that implication too

like if im going to the cinema and waiting for my friend outside and i don't see them so i call them and theyre inside, they can say je suis rentré(e)

[olive geode]

Like if a student is standing outside my office and I want to invite them to go in while I run to grab something in another office I could say “rentrez, j’arrive dans un instant !”

[half summit]

oh wow.. okay

[olive geode]

Even if they’ve never been in my office before

[half summit]

And can we discuss retourner please?

What does it imply ? What do you visualize ?

[dusty veldt]

retourner is to go back tho

[half summit]

Does it imply going swhr temporarily ? It definitely doesn't imply 'coming back' right?

[dusty veldt]

it's re + aller

it can be forever

like "retournez chez vous"

ie. to your country

[half summit]

@dusty veldt , @olive geode

je reviens chez moi
vs
je rentre chez moi

Any difference? Are both correct?

[viral junco]

rentrer feels more impactful to me

[olive geode]

je reviens chez moi isn't wrong per se... but I don't feel like I'd phrase it that way

[dusty veldt]

Reviens is re + venir so it implies the person you're talking to is there

[half summit]

You mostly use it for time,right ?
Je reviens dans une heure.

am I correct in thinking so ?

[viral junco]

revenir implies a sort of going away first before coming in

whereas rentrer is just coming in

[dusty veldt]

It's mostly that you said revenir AND chez moi

Kinda weird

for some reason

[half summit]

ohh okay . It's redundant, the chez moi. Got it!

[dusty veldt]

yea but you can totally say where you're coming back

like je reviens à Paris

or je reviens en Europe

ig for chez moi you wanna use rentrer

[half summit]

Would we also be able to say 'je rentre à Paris?'

[dusty veldt]

yea

[half summit]

I'm Getting the hang of it.

[dusty veldt]

idk how you do it

i'd never thought about it but it looks so hard to figure out

[half summit]

😅 .. yes.