#definitelynotmoon.
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vague flare
What's up
frosty storm
knotty maple
It is regarding subject pronouns. I am at the part of plural pronouns. Now, the teacher gave an example of using elles/ils with table. Now this is the example she gave.
les tables sont marron
(the tables are brown)
now, she said in french, they will replace it with elles sont marron.
So, if my understanding is correct, if you want to use the plural form of the subject, you can just put elles/ils instead of like, putting the actual name of the object
vague flare
If you want to use the pronouns of a subject, you can do that yes
knotty maple
as long as it is plural, yes?
knotty maple
how about if it's an object tho? Like the example given?
vague flare
For example if I go « Toi et tes amis », I can replace it with « vous »
vague flare
how about if it's an object tho? Like the example given?
Nouns can be replaced
« La porte est bonne, je pense qu'elle serait parfaite »
'The door is good, I think that it (referring to 'the door') would be perfect'
knotty maple
So as long as I used it correctly on a person or a group of person, it is okay to interchange when it comes to objects?
vague flare
So as long as I used it correctly on a person or a group of person, it is okay t...
Erm no
'person' here refers to first, second, or third
first = the speaker
second = the listener
third = a third party not involved in the conversation
knotty maple
My head is hurting
vague flare
Okay so
say I have this sentence: 'He is tall'
I'm not saying that I am tall (the person speaking is tall) nor that you are tall (the person listening to me is tall) but that some other person that is neither you nor me is tall
this can be generalised to nouns
serene badge
first = I
second = you
third = s/he
vague flare
'He is tall' and 'The table is tall' fundamentally talks about the same thing: someone or something that is neither me nor you
slender fable
I have to guess that the origin or your question has to do with the fact that "il" (he) and "elle" (she) can be used for OBJECTS and not just people? (Since in English we would use "it")?
French doesn't have an "it" pronoun, so it defaults to he/she EVEN when talking about objects.
vague flare
In English, we have the pronouns 'he', 'she', and 'it' for the third person
frosty storm
My head is hurting
Prends de l’aspirine
vague flare
We reserve 'he/she' for people and 'it' for non-living things like tables, desks, lampposts, etc
but in French, there is no 'it' – at least not in this context – so we use the equivalent 'he/she'
vague flare
« La porte est bonne, je pense qu'**elle** serait parfaite »
That's why « elle » or 'she' appears here
vague flare
'The door is good, I think that **it** (referring to 'the door') would be perfec...
and why the English translation here uses 'it' instead
knotty maple
Prends de l’aspirine
It's just metaphorically. Though I think I'm having trouble understanding bits of it due to lack of sleep. Though I'm slowly getting it. I think
slender fable
It is regarding subject pronouns. I am at the part of plural pronouns. Now, the ...
Something else that's a bit confusing in your example here is that "marron" is invariable (i.e. the adjective does not change to agree in gender and number with the noun it modifies… this goes against what 99% of adjectives do in French.)
If we look at an adjective like "brun" it becomes clearer
- Le livre est brun → il est brun
- Les livres sont bruns → ils sont bruns
- La table est brune → elle est brune
- Les tables sont brunes → elles sont brunes
knotty maple
Okay, I get it now
Is it bad that I used google translate to somehow understand it?
serene badge
not bad per se, if it helps you then that's good. Keeping in mind it's not a learning tool though
you do need to have some base understanding of the language so that you don't learn mistakes through it
knotty maple
Yeah, that's why I immediately jump in here cuz I need to know if I understood it correctly
I'm also having a hard time understanding cuz I'm self learning
Like, I only have French with Alexa and myself
HAHAHAHAHAHA well, ig not anymore tho
slender fable
Be very wary as a beginner about using translation tools to try to understand things.
In particular, a danger with translation tools (google/deepl/and even ChatGPT) is that they will try generate good output EVEN when the input is terrible.
So if I wrote, "me eat two melas each dya" I get perfectly good French even though the English is terrible.
SO, testing if your input is good = bad idea.
Figuring out what something means when you know that the input is good is fine, however.
knotty maple
Wow. That's crazy, thank you for the info
I think I'd pause here for now, and later once I woke up I'll pick myself up again and study
will also use the resources you guys gave me. Thank you
slender fable
Get some sleep and come back refreshed! And next time, don't hesitate to just post your question! Asking if people are around to help you doesn't tend to get as much interaction as just asking your question (this thread, of course, being an exception!)