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[clever root]

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[floral elk]

thats so misleading and unhelpful

is it duolingo

basically qui for subjects and que for objects

[raven grove]

Qui functions as the subject marker of the relative claise while que functions as its direct object marker.

[granite moat]

Yes it’s highly unhelpful but duo isnt the only resource I use lol for good reason

[floral elk]

la personne qui m'aide => la personne is the subject of the verb aide
la personne que j'aide => la personne is the object, the subject is je

[raven grove]

Ce qui and ce que work the same way except you can replace a noun with "ce" to make it unclear, undefined.

[floral elk]

well ce makes it a pronoun

or sth

[raven grove]

J'ai lu le message que tu as posté
=> J'ai lu ce que tu as posté

[cloud panther]

What duo is trying to get at is that we have the same distinction - who (qui) vs whom (que), but english has largely replaced "whom" with "who". If you don't know how "whom" works, though, the explanation certainly isn't very helpful

[south wagon]

is the S pronounced (as a liaison i know !) in qui a__s__ appelé

[cloud panther]

;liaisons

[clever root]

https://imgur.com/4E4QhuB https://imgur.com/kAzV5hb

[cloud panther]

First one in the facultative list! With "as" it's rarely done though, very formal imo

[south wagon]

i figured it was optional

i didn’t know how natural it really was

[floral elk]

optional liaisons are like all formal sounding

except those first 3 ones, they're common

[cloud panther]

Some are more or less formal depending on the specific combination
But generally speaking you can ignore all the optional ones without any issue. Most people only use a few if any

[lunar pilot]

Also, Spanish’s relative pronouns are primarily living/non-living like English, not subject/object like in French. French is I think the only Romance language that still maintains this distinction, at least the only major one

[thorny pewter]

Romanian does too!

[thorny pewter]

Persoana care mă ajută
Persoana pe care o ajut

If the subject remains the same in the subsentence, you use care (qui in French)
If the subject changes in the subsentence, you use pe care + accusative pronoun (que in French)

And if the subject is masculine: (Omul = L'homme)

Omul care mă ajută
Omul pe care îl ajut

[lunar pilot]

Oh interesting, I thought Romanian doesn’t distinguish subject and object (it has a merged nom-acc case)

[thorny pewter]

Romanian is full of surprises 😁

[thorny pewter]

Does french also have a dative version of que/qui? Or would que be used still?

[lunar pilot]

lequel and dont

[thorny pewter]

Do you have an example?

[lunar pilot]

Les matières auxquelles je m’intéresse

La personne à qui je parle

La responsabilité à laquelle il a renoncé

Le match auquel je participe

Les problèmes dont je parle

[thorny pewter]

Interesting that lequel behaves like a normal adjective

[lunar pilot]

It comes from two elements ‘glued’ together: the definite article (le/la/les) and the determiner adjective quel (quel, quelle, quels, quelles) which gives us lequel, laquelle, lesquels, lesquelles

[thorny pewter]

Makes sense

I'm thinking of the Romanian translations but a lot of them use an accusative or something else entirely

[lunar pilot]

Interesting, no indirect pronouns?

[thorny pewter]

They do have them

[lunar pilot]

But?

[thorny pewter]

They only one I can think of is "Persoana căreia îi vorbesc" for the second example

[lunar pilot]

Oh, the examples I gave are not indirect in Romanian?

[thorny pewter]

Yep

[lunar pilot]

J’ai donné la lettre à Émile

La lettre que j’ai donnée à Émile
Émile à qui/auquel j’ai donné la lettre

Though the general structure is the preposition plus lequel, we can use qui in place of lequel if the indirect object is living

[thorny pewter]

I-am dat scrisoarea lui Émile

Scrisoarea pe care i-am dat-o lui Émile
Émile căruia i-am dat scrisoarea

🤷‍♂️

[lunar pilot]

I don’t know enough Romanian to tell unfortunately

[thorny pewter]

These are just the translations

And the animate/inanimate distinction doesn't exist in Ro

Interesting

[thorny pewter]

And how does it work with possessions?

Something like "À quoi est cette voiture?" ?

Romanian has cui

A cui e mașina asta?

[lunar pilot]

Cette voiture est à qui ?

[thorny pewter]

Ooh

[lunar pilot]

It’s a bit awkward with être for inversion and est-ce que so I’ll use appartenir instead

À qui appartient-elle cette voiture ?
À qui est-ce que cette voiture appartient ?
Cette voiture appartient à qui ?

[thorny pewter]

Cui aparține mașina asta

Hehe

[lunar pilot]

(:

[thorny pewter]

Thnx

Wait of course quoi is what and not who lol

[lunar pilot]

À quoi works for inanimates

À quoi t’attendais-tu ?
À quoi est-ce que tu t’attendais ?
Tu t’attendais à quoi ?

‘What were you expecting?’
To expect something = s’attendre à quelque chose

[thorny pewter]

In Ro this verb is acc I think

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