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wary path
- you just gotta listen and speak, there's not really a way to just practice "A1" level
- There's not really a different way to memorize or learn those words. Repetition through flash cards (or anki) and seeing it in context is really the only way to memorize vocabulary
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2. There's not really a different way to memorize or learn those words. Repetiti...
Hm so then for conversation is AI viable at my level? Or would you recommend just using VC. Also for repetition what do you think about playing a game with simple vocabulary and communicating there. That would help with reading and writing too. Something like among us? Idk
I'm bilingual but both languages were learnt simultaneously when I was little so I'm finding this a fun challenge
quasi lotus
For things like why something , a , how to negate and whole plethora you want to learn grammar, that's going to help you comprehend the language a lot easier
Then after that learning conjunctions should help
wary path
yeah, if you're not in a class, you should probably start off with a textbook or something
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ChatGPT et les autres grands modèles de langage d'IA sont des outils intéressants pour l'apprentissage des langues, mais faillibles. Les informations qu'ils donnent peuvent être erronées, tout en donnant des justifications plausibles pour quelqu'un ne maîtrisant pas la langue. Il ne faut pas les utiliser comme source ultime d'information. Ils peuvent cependant aider à déconstruire une phrase en divers concepts (que vous pouvez ensuite vérifier), donner des traductions contextualisées, et simuler divers interlocuteurs.
ChatGPT and other large AI language models are interesting tools for language learning, but they are fallible. The information they provide can be incorrect while offering seemingly logical justifications to someone who does not fully master the language. They should not be used as an endpoint for information. However, they can help deconstruct a sentence into various concepts that you can then verify, provide contextualized translations, and simulate diverse conversational partners.
wary path
personally, i don't really like using the LLMs for conversation practice, because they explain grammar poorly, they can occasionally make mistakes, and because the point of learning French is to use it to communicate with real people not a sycophantic robot. Even if its French is technically perfect, it will only ever be an imitation of personhood, it won't give you access to the true social world of French or any language for that matter. I think it keeps people within a bubble of familiarity, and ironically it's trained off all the same material you have access to anyway, books, movies, social media, etc. which are the things that you're actually learning French to understand and interact with
part of learning a foreign language is accustoming yourself to a different way of thinking and an LLM simply doesn't give you that really
wary path
Hm so then for conversation is AI viable at my level? Or would you recommend jus...
turning everything to French is a great way to get started, phone, computer, video games, youtube, etc.
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turning everything to French is a great way to get started, phone, computer, vid...
Low-key might do thst. Thanks for the help. Also do u recommend a specific textbook? I tried asimil but I didn't really enjoy it and didn't learn much
wary path
Assimil is definitely the best, but it's quite difficult
I would say just download a couple different pdfs and go through each one as far as you like, then move on
there are #1279421820654850162 here
starting from zero, you really just need to do get a basic sense of grammar, vocabular, and pronunciation which you can build off of later
Assimil only works if you really commit to doing at least half of it, but it doesn't just give you the foundations like other less comprehensive textbooks do
come back to assimil after you've acquired some of the basics and exposed yourself to French here or in video games, and you will learn a lot
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come back to assimil after you've acquired some of the basics and exposed yourse...
I took French in all of elementary school (I'm from Canada) so i have some basic understand of structure and speaking. Like I can decipher what a sentence means about 50% of the time. I don't know if there is a way for me to get a more in depth check than just a1 vs a2, but I'm not completely new to French. And in terms of games, would any really work? I was playing a single player game and I would have to usually translate 1 word per sentence, and then tired among us but was really only able to understand and say stuff like Ou
wary path
No one thing period will just teach you French
Think about the number of different words you use in a day, in a week, in a month.
Putting a game into French will help you, but it won't make you fluent
when you start to put everything into French, when you read books in French, that will help even more
dawn compass
when you start to put everything into French, when you read books in French, tha...
Huh so immersion is key. My main thing is speaking. I can feel improvement in reading and writing pretty quickly but I just struggle to speak.
I will for sure just make everything French and force immersion though
wary path
that's totally normal
production is always more difficult than comprehension
but if you learn to read and understand French easily, you will be able to learn to speak it much better than people who memorize certain forms but cannot really understand the language
a lot of contemporary research on language learning points to the fact that languages are always ultimately learned the same way, whether as a child or as an adult. The difference is that our brains are no longer so flexible, so we need the support of grammar explanations, definitions for vocabulary, and the like
but remember that babies only say their first words after a year of being totally immersed in their native language, and then they spend the next decade plus learning to speak like an adult
you can actually learn much more efficiently than a baby, even if you'll never be a "native speaker"
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To get started learning here, you have a few options.
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a lot of contemporary research on language learning points to the fact that lang...
Honestly my least favourite part of LL is having to sit through a textbook. I have taught myself a ton of skills and I found I always learn by doing instead of going through a textbook and doing practice through that. But I guess it is unavoidable for language learning?
ionic pawn
One resource that I think is pretty good for starting with speaking and listening at A1 level is Pimsleur. There's a thread mentioning it in #1279421820654850162
foggy schooner
