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[granite haven]

im not starting from absolute 0 i have some broken knowledge of different parts of it

but maybe locking in on one aspect of it first will help with the rest later

[ivory bay]

;begin

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[ivory bay]

; débutant

;débutant

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[ivory bay]

I don't think prepositions are sth you wanna focus on at first

Pronouns are more urgent

[granite haven]

thanks!

[granite haven]

pronouns?

aren't they just dependant on the word

[ivory bay]

What word

[granite haven]

like

le la un une

[ivory bay]

Like tu and vous, object pronouns...

[ivory bay]

That's articles

A pronoun replaces a noun

Hence the name

An article introduces a noun

[granite haven]

oh

i always thought it was a pronoun because its masculine and feminine

okay

[ivory bay]

Well articles are just a type of determiner

[granite haven]

so pronouns like he and she and you and that type of thing

tu toi vous il elle

that?

[ivory bay]

Yes

[ivory bay]

One of these is an object pronoun and two of these can be objects

You wanna know that kinda things

What do you know about articles?

[granite haven]

do objects include people?

[ivory bay]

Object in the grammatical sense

So yes

Yk, subjects and object

He eats fish
He is the subject, fish is the object

[granite haven]

right so il elle is the object and the object pronoun i think is toi?

[ivory bay]

Fish disgusts me
Me is the object

[granite haven]

yeah

gotcha

[ivory bay]

Elle can be both
Vous too

Il is only a subject

[granite haven]

huh

[granite haven]

im lost sorry

[ivory bay]

Don't have to learn all of that at once but learn it bit by bit
Like singulars first

[granite haven]

yeah bit by bit

for now if you don't mind

why is il and elle different classifications?

they are both used effectively like English pronouns arent they?

he did this

she did that

[ivory bay]

Oh yea i was thinking of pronoms toniques

Which don't appear there

Basically the ones you use after prepositions

For her is chez elle, for him is chez lui

[granite haven]

oh oh i understand

yeah so it's for after the preposition

[ivory bay]

Pour* not chez

[granite haven]

alright thats going to be my first goal then!

while you're here

is there some way of differentiating what article we use before a word?

for example its la fourchette

[ivory bay]

There's trends but no, not really

[granite haven]

thats

[ivory bay]

If it ends in ette it's probably feminine

In ité, fem too

[granite haven]

gotcha

[ivory bay]

In isme, masc

Etc but ultimately you wanna always put an article before nouns when learning them

So you can learn the gender with it

[granite haven]

well my memory isn't bad but

fuck me i have to learn about 1000 genders

[ivory bay]

Well 2

But dw

[granite haven]

yeah sorry i meant the words gender

like when did we stray so far from

the

[ivory bay]

Latin.

[granite haven]

always latin

i appreciate your help though

i guess its just muscle memory for the genders you learn eventually

[ivory bay]

Tbf im not sure it had articles itself

[ivory bay]

Seriously put un or une in your flashcards

Or vocabulary lists or whatever

[granite haven]

oh definitely will

its more the scale that worries me

there is alot of shit in the world

[ivory bay]

Im learning chinese and have to learn a character and tones for every word

[granite haven]

and they're all gendered sometimes at random

ive seen that it looks really hard

[prime elm]

It did not but it had demonstratives that agree to gender

It's these demonstratives that go on to become articles in French