#COD/COI + passé composé

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shell jetty
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  • I met him = Je l’ai rencontré
  • I met her = Je l’ai rencontré**e**
  • I met them (m) = Je les ai rencontré**s**
  • I met them (f) = Je les ai rencontré**es**
  • I met you (m/s) = Je t’ai rencontré
  • I met you (f/s) = Je t’ai rencontré**e**
  • I met you (m/pl) = Je vous ai rencontré**s**
  • I met you (f/pl) = Je vous ai rencontré**es**
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At least from what I can see it's not on WR. It's just a rule specifically for COD.

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Présent + COD still follows genders:

  • Je le/la/les rencontre
  • "le/la/les" follows the object it replaced
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Am I in the right direction because adding rules of COD on top of rules of passé composé just blew my mind

ancient cipher
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but it doesn’t follow normal conjugations anymore
idk what youre talking about there

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the verb is ai
recontré is just the past participle

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and changing depending on gender is not a conjugation thing

elfin jay
ancient cipher
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the conjugation does change, it just still depends on the subject

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try with sth else than je

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il a rencontré ma femme

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=> il l'a rencontrée

shell jetty
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idk what youre talking about there
So like, depending on the tense, je/tu/il/elle/nous/vous have their own tenses right? Rencontrer @ présent is rencontre/tres/tron/trez/trent, depending on the subject.

But with passé composé bullet list above, it's always rencontré, unless the object is feminine/plural

elfin jay
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so

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passé composé uses auxiliary in present tense + a past participle for your verb

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the auxiliary is what you're conjugating, so basically it's the same as present

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that said, the past participle, while it doesn't change based on conjugation, can agree in gender and number based on various factors

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it can be singular or plural, and masculine or feminine

marsh steppe
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Some past participles are invariable but it applies to most, yeah

ancient cipher
ancient cipher
marsh steppe
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été is one

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I can't think of any others atm

ancient cipher
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en même temps ça prend pas d'objets

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que des attributs du sujet

marsh steppe
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I mean they can still be direct objects? But conceptualized differently I guess

ancient cipher
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en grammaire ça compte pas comme des objets

marsh steppe
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Yeah in the strict sense of the term

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It's sort of like rêver à qqn versus parler à qqn

ancient cipher
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comment ça

marsh steppe
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one is an indirect object the other is uh
I forget the term
Dative or something??

shell jetty
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(Sorry, I'm slowly replying, I'm digesting everything here)

So to summarise it my head, generally speaking:

There's still conjugation with COD + passé composé, but with the auxiliary only.

  • Je l'ai rencontrée (I met her)
  • Ils l'ont rencontrée (They met her)
  • Elle nous a rencontrés (She met us)
elfin jay
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does "rêver à qqn" exist?

marsh steppe
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Sorry rêver de

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My brain is deep fried rn

elfin jay
shell jetty
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yeah typo

elfin jay
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but yeah that's correct

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you do conjugate the auxiliary in present tense

ancient cipher
elfin jay
marsh steppe
ancient cipher
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i don't think it's correct to say there are exceptions if you can see how être doesn't take objects

elfin jay
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-# I mean, not grammatically, but if you don't know what's happening under the hood it does look like exceptions

ancient cipher
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dans cette liste je vois que des verbes qui prennent pas d'objet direct

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franchement je vois pas en quoi ça aide de se dire que c'est des exceptions

marsh steppe
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I never called them exceptions personally

elfin jay
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"elle s'est lavé les cheveux" for instance would not agree with the subject even though it uses "être" (it's akin to "elle a lavé ses cheveux")
but now we're getting in deep

marsh steppe
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Just said some are invariable, l'accord du participe passé is deceptively regular (though not 100%) but there are lots of things that trip people up

ancient cipher
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là y'a un pronom réfléchi donc c différent

marsh steppe
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Pronominal verbs act like avoir verbs

ancient cipher
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l'objet c'est s'

marsh steppe
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Ben ya deux objets

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S' est indirect

shell jetty
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Merci beaucoup!!

I was going to ask about être + passé composé + COD, but noticed it's difficult to use COD with DR MRS VANDERTRAMP verbs. Best I could do was Je suis monté / J'ai monté les chaises.

I need to reread some formalities with the English language because I don't remember things like in/transitive verbs anymore.

hollow sphinxBOT
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COD/COI + passé composé

marsh steppe
crimson blaze
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A verb like 'to dream' will be considered in many contexts as intransitive because it takes a prepositional object (I dreamt about you, he's dreaming about his future job) whereas its counterpart « rêver » is considered by most dictionaries as transitive indirect (j'ai rêvé de toi, il rêve de son travail à l'avenir). The only exception - at least the one I found – is the Académie française

crimson blaze
marsh steppe
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cnrtl notes transitivity by usage

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The first being intransitive

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For rêver

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I kind of use transitive interchangeably for just direct object & any object, though in this case for french the direct object usage is what's important for être verbs

crimson blaze