#Tout doucement

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sharp arrow
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Big "it depends" here. Some regional characteristics are seen as more informal than others

steep flint
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When it comes to formal events, non-French francophones tend to try and 'reduce' their dialects

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Sure, they'll still sound like their own dialect sounds but if you compare them speaking in like a banquet versus them speaking to their citizens, there'll be a difference

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However, with nationalism being on the rise, people are starting to not do that so you might hear more and more of their natural sounds coming out

deep briar
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thank you alot guys, just had a debate with my teacher because she kindly argued for "they all just fix their rules and drop their accent to speak like a french person" whilst i was on the opposite side @sharp arrow @steep flint

sharp arrow
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"fix" is a terrible way to phrase it

warped mountain
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You can't just "drop your accent"
That'd be like an American suddenly switching to RP for a formal event…

They might reduce the most non-standard features, but your accent is your accent. Unless someone is bidialectical (which happens) they're just going to speak with whatever accent is there own.

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Now, if someone were from say, Haiti, and spoke Créole et home, but learned French at school, they'd use French in situations that required French, but use Créole with their friends/family

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At any rate, all of this is hardly unique to French, it's more in the realm of linguistics. All people adjust the way they speak depending on their interlocuter(s).

If your teacher is just a French teacher with no background in linguistics, just ignore them on this topic and listen when it comes to vocab and grammar

deep briar
deep briar
warped mountain
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deep briar
# warped mountain At any rate, all of this is hardly unique to French, it's more in the realm of l...

this was my response to her prior
ps: ik quebec has like r sounds in their vowels but i might be wrong about some

"i do agree they will abide by formal rules they grew up with via proper speech/sentence structure and usage of formal words whilst using 0 slang but their innate prononciation which is built in the accent itself isn't something that changes. They will not say "jsuis" and instead say je suis as thats a slangish way of saying it but if they were taught at a school to say "un feu ~R~" in quebec because their vowels are just simply rhotic linguistically... They're gonna speak like that til they pass away because thats just the manner of linguistics. The "standard" accent when it comes to languages doesn't mean "standard" as "correct" but standard as "most common" as france is the hotspot for french. It can become belittling of varying nations when another country says "this country is saying this wrongly" when the both country are lands with varying/diverse linguistic cultures due to their language changing and evolving drastically over the years due to where they live and environmental factors hence why the french today in france is not what french 10,000 years ago use to be but it doesn't make one more correct or incorrect than another"

deep briar
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even tho my french creole isn't directly from haiti but close enough 😭

sharp arrow
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/ø/ and /œ/ can be rhoticized

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in qc

deep briar
warped mountain
# deep briar this was my response to her prior ps: ik quebec has like r sounds in their vowel...

Your point is roughly correct, but you're conflating a lot of things there.

Québécois might change their pronunication to eliminate the most non-standard things. It's common in news speak, for instance. They don't just eliminate slang and non-standard grammar, the pronunication is shifted - but only for the things that people are generally consciencious of being non-standard.

"Standard" accent doesn't have a strict meaning, but it does not mean the most common. It's typically the accent of whichever prestige dialect is currently used. In France, that would currently be the accent of middle to upper class individuals around Paris.

French was not spoken 10,000 years ago

summer kite
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Indo-European wasn't even a thing back then.

deep briar
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France is seen as the highland

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when most people learn french, its primarily france french

warped mountain
deep briar
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yeah i don't mean as a rule

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i just meant when i hear someone trying to sound like "the most exquisite"

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its usually that heavy french accent

deep briar
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thx for your corrections

warped mountain
deep briar