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[pulsar sonnet]

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[static notch]

Also, does this make sense:

"Alors, une fois l'apogée atteinte, il faut soit subvertir les attentes, soit peut-être trouver un moyen de rendre le comment plus important que le quoi"

I'm trying to say "So once you've reached the climax, you need to either subvert expectations or find a way to make the how more important than the what"

the last sentence is supposed to mean "make the how in how things happen more important than what specific events occur"

rendre plus important la façon dont les choses se déroulent par rapport à les évènements eux-mêmes

[solar panther]

Alors une fois l'apogée de l'histoire atteinte, il s'agit soit de déjouer les attentes, soit de trouver un moyen de rendre le comment plus important que le quoi

Idk if subvertir is used much. The fact that i speak english makes it obvious but idk how common this is in french.
Also my punctuation is shit dont pay attention to it

[solar panther]

Rendre plus important la façon dont les choses se déroulent par rapport aux événements eux-mêmes.
If u want to go with this one

Using apogée alone i find it a bit weird maybe im stupid? I think apogée de l'histoire is better, or u can say point culminant de l'histoire

[static notch]

merci!!

[solar panther]

Tkr 💪

Tkt*

[strange kernel]

Alors, une fois le point culminant de l’histoire atteint, il faut soit bouleverser les attentes du lecteur, soit trouver un moyen de rendre la manière dont les évènements se déroulent plus importante que les évènements en eux-mêmes.

we don't use "subvertir" a lot

plus importante => plus captivante/plus centrale ?

[static notch]

oo thanks I like that suggestion, I wasn't even really sure what I meant in English haha

[solar panther]

en eux-mêmes is probably better formulated than what i suggested yeah good idea

[strange kernel]

no problem

[strange kernel]

i'm not even sure if "en eux-mêmes" is correct

i hesitated with "eux-mêmes" alone

[solar panther]

I think both are correct, en eux-mêmes sounds more literary?

Im guessing she's doing for an essay or smth so its probably a good idea to sound more literary than neutral

[static notch]

I was just trying to tell my gf something but I was definitely going for an essayish tone because I have to practice more formal writing for the DELF

[strange kernel]

your gf is learning French too ? :o

[static notch]

yep we started learning together

[solar panther]

Dunno what delf is but acronyms are always bad news, good luck

[static notch]

it's a test de compétences linguistiques françaises, it's required for various things like immigration and going to a francophone university. I'm trying to get B2 certified so i can finish my degree in a francophone university in Montréal

[solar panther]

Hard to gauge someone's level from only writing but even if you're not all the way there yet (maybe u are idk) you're doing enough effort to get there eventually so im sure it'll be fine

The only problems with what you wrote was writing à les instead of aux

But the anglicisme are normals

French students learning english will write stuff like i propose instead of i suggest because of proposer for example lol

[static notch]

yeah derp 2.5 years of studying and I still make this mistake every once in a while
I think I'm already at B2 but I want to make triple sure because the test costs like $300

I don't wanna have to take it twice

[solar panther]

Yeah no i get it lol ive done toeic for c1 too which is an english certificate so i get u

Even sometimes the problem in these tests are not even the language itself but concentration (for me)

Like u have a hearing test which has a way too fast pace or smth

[static notch]

Yeah i get you, or they make you do math or pose a logic problem or something totally not language related, or they don't give you time to read the multiple choice responses before they start reading the passage

Language skills are definitely only part of it, you gotta study the test format itself

[solar panther]

Yeah exaaactly. During toeic, they do like 20 hearing questions where they play an audio, then u have like 30 seconds to answer the related question but sometimes u dont have time to read the question so u didnt pick up on what u needed to hear and so on

Anyway good luck on that

On that? Idk

[static notch]

Thank you! And thanks again for your help! On that ✅

or with that

both work