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smoky sable
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Each french speaker will generally have ~2-3 r sounds depending on how the r is placed
Any r sound can be used and understood
https://vitrinelinguistique.oqlf.gouv.qc.ca/24521/la-prononciation/prononciation-de-certaines-lettres/prononciation-de-la-lettre-r
Here's some info on a few of them
https://fr.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phonème_/r/_en_français
And then this one is more comprehensive

R apical, grasseyé et fricatif : prononciation

Au Québec, le phonème /ʁ/ comporte trois variantes, soit le R apical, le R grasseyé et le R fricatif. Apprenez-en plus sur chacune de ces variantes.

Phonème /r/ en français

En français, le phonème /r/, retranscrit ‹ r ›, peut se réaliser phonétiquement de plusieurs façons mais sans jamais changer le sens (variantes libres) :

Consonne fricative uvulaire voisée, [ʁ], dite r guttural, r uvulaire dévibré, r standard ou r français
consonne sourde [χ], parfois par assimilation
Consonne roulée uvulaire vo...

untold hamlet
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that explains a lot

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yeah it usually changes all the time

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and everyone says them differently?

acoustic oyster
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if you're talking France French, the modern standard is an uvular R, meaning it's articulated using the uvula.
in that sense, it is produced in the back of the throat, unlike English R. There are multiple ways to do it, from fricative to approximant to trilled (rare), all are good. Fricative are the harsh sounding ones, approximant lesser so

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voiced_uvular_fricative

Voiced uvular fricative

The voiced uvular fricative is a type of consonantal sound, used in some spoken languages. The symbol in the International Phonetic Alphabet that represents this sound is ⟨ʁ⟩, an inverted small uppercase letter ⟨ʀ⟩, or in broad transcription ⟨r⟩ if rhotic. This consonant is one of the several collectively called guttural R when fou...

smoky sable
# untold hamlet and everyone says them differently?

Generally speaking, it's pretty stable. Certain dialects, regions, or social groups may have a tendency to use different ones, or you may encounter them in older content or stuff used stylistically (music etc)
But most people nowadays use a uvular fricative and approximate depending on the placement I believe?

untold hamlet
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idk

acoustic oyster
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uvular fricative and approximate are the most common ones in France

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fricative being the "harsh" one, approximate the not so harsh

untold hamlet
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how do you say an approximate

acoustic oyster
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check out the wikipedia link above there's a recording

smoky sable
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The uvular trill is the "stereotypical" french r but it's quite old and not really done anymore, I've known french speakers who struggled with it

acoustic oyster
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I can't do it

untold hamlet
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i see

smoky sable
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There's also the dental trill(??) that exists in more rural/stronger accented quebec accents and some old people in france

untold hamlet
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dental trill what

smoky sable
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Like a spanish r

acoustic oyster
smoky sable
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Yea

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That I'm thinking of anyways

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I'm not good with this kind of terminology

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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voiced_dental,_alveolar_and_postalveolar_trills#Voiced_alveolar_trill

Voiced dental, alveolar and postalveolar trills

The voiced alveolar trill is a type of consonantal sound used in some spoken languages. The symbol in the International Phonetic Alphabet that represents dental, alveolar, and postalveolar trills is ⟨r⟩, and the equivalent X-SAMPA symbol is r. It is commonly called the rolled R, rolling R, or trilled R. Quite often, ⟨r⟩ is used in phonem...

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Ok i was right for once lol

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I used to have this naturally but it got bullied out of me lol

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Which sucks cuz I love how it sounds in french

untold hamlet
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@smoky sable u might find this interesting

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this guy is from montreal and i can here him trilling the r sometimes

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it doesnt even sound uvular evne

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dental trill possibly?

smoky sable
# untold hamlet this guy is from montreal and i can here him trilling the r sometimes

He has a really strange accent
He seems to do a dental trill occasionally but it's super inconsistent, which I don't think I've seen before. He seems to also use a uvular approximate, uvular fricative and uvular trill seemingly at random (the approximate is surely in normal places but the rest seems random to me)
And a lot of his accent leans towards european french, not super surprising in montreal but odd to me with the rest of the features thrown in

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I'm not the best at hearing the difference reliably, especially when someone is flip flopping so randomly between them, so I might be a tad off

untold hamlet
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ig part of the character

smoky sable
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I see

untold hamlet
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ig its supposed to be humorous

smoky sable
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Yeah

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Apparently his intention was to do a belgian accent

untold hamlet
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oh that could be possible

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i remember hearing they have a strange accent

smoky sable
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Eh

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Sometimes it's virtually indistinguishable from a france accent

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And generally speaking the difference wouldn't be enough for most learners to notice

amber imp
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as a native English speaker, learning the uvular r(s) was stupid hard, like 10x harder than any other part of french phonology and I still struggle with certain words, so if you decide to learn the uvular r, be patient

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someday I'll master it

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just need to like double or triple the time I've already spent practicing

primal agate