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[nova crater]

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[grave sleet]

"Il devrait avoir honte de penser comme ça"/"Il devrait avoir honte de penser ainsi"

should = devrait

[cunning plinth]

Is que changed to de because of the infinitive

[torn cobalt]

(I said no but actually kind of sorry)

[grave sleet]

haha

[cunning plinth]

all good i am just looking at lawless french and there's constructions like

avoir honte que

and also avoir honte de

[grave sleet]

yeah

that's why i said yes at the beginning

[torn cobalt]

avoir honte que + relative clause
avoir honte de + noun/infinitive

the reason there is an infinitive is that you can't use the same subject in a relative clause
"il devrait avoir honte qu'il pense ainsi" you can't do that because "il" refers to the same person
Instead, you need to replace the second clause by an infinitive => "il devrait avoir honte de penser ainsi"

[grave sleet]

j'ai honte qu'il soit mon fils/j'ai honte de mon fils/j'ai honte d'être sa mère

for example

[torn cobalt]

in framboinnou's example
j'ai honte qu'il soit mon fils => relative clause because "je" and "il" are different subjects
j'ai honte d'être sa mère => infinitive because the subject of "avoir honte" and "être" is the same "je"

[cunning plinth]

oh i didnt know this makes so much sense

[grave sleet]

amazing teamwork

[cunning plinth]

so like
j'ai besoin que tu ... (different subject)
j'ai beson d'y aller (same subjectg, also using an infinitive)

would this be correct

[torn cobalt]

yes absolutely!

I need you to...
I need to go

[cunning plinth]

also i know this is sort of a different question but i used il aurait, the conditional has always sort of confused me

what is that actually being translated as

[torn cobalt]

he would be ashamed

[cunning plinth]

he would have ?

all right makes a lot more sense

thanks all ❤️

[grave sleet]

np

[boreal lava]

Past conditional, il aurait eu

though it depends if it’s the full sentence or not

‘If I had left early, I would have caught the train.’
« Si j’étais parti plus tôt, j’aurais pris le train »

In the English, it’s basically the modal verb (would) plus a past infinitive (have caught)
Whereas in French, since the modal verb is translatable as the conditional, it’s basically the verb « prendre » conjugated in the past conditional

[cunning plinth]

ah right i always forget that difference

this is my complete attempt at the sentence in full
"Then tell him yourself that I have nothing to do with it! He should be ashamed that he’d even think this way, he owes me an explanation."
"Dis-lui toi-même que j’ai rien à voir là-dedans alors ! Il devrait avoir honte de penser comme ça, il me doit une explication."

does this look all right, any way to improve flow ?

[torn cobalt]

seems good to me good job

-# "là-dedans" was a good find, I remember when bertie was having trouble with it

[cunning plinth]

yeah at first it made no sense to me but là-dedans being used for in here as well as in there sort of gave me the impression it was pretty flexible lol

[boreal lava]

Plus, remember that its other forms are just other modals. ‘could’ and ‘should’ are just ‘can + would’ and ‘shall + would’, respectively. It’ll help you in French.

« J’aurais pris le train. »
‘I would’ve taken the train.’

« J’aurais pu prendre le train (pouvoir in the past conditional + prendre) »
‘I could’ve taken the train (can + would’ve taken)’

« J’aurais dû prendre le train (devoir in the past conditional + prendre) »
‘I should’ve taken the train (shall + would’ve taken)’