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[hollow pasture]

Tu veux que je te dise où sont les erreurs ou que je le corrige simplement

[worthy crown]

@native vigil you might want to take it on from here hats

[native vigil]

Où sont les erreurs et comment je le peux éviter svp

[hollow pasture]

il y a plusieurs erreurs de syntaxe et on ne comprend pas la phrase et il y en a d'autre d'orthographe seulement c'est pas les plus importantes dans le texte

recognizer ça n'existe pas la traduction exacte de recognize c'est reconnaitre mais ici le mot le plus approprié serait identifier

evidence = preuve

[final lance]

Also on la doit reconnaître is simply incorrect in French

Object pronouns go before the infinitive

[hollow pasture]

oui c'est on doit la reconnaitre

[final lance]

Or "on doit l'identifier" since it's the most ideal way to put it as you said

"S’il n’est pas l’évidence, on ne peut pas punir le raciste. "
Si elle n'est pas évidente

[hollow pasture]

tu voulais dire obvious ou evidence ?

une manière d'identifier ( ou reconnaitre) serait* on doit utiliser le conditionnel

"une manière d'identifier serait que quelqu’un PRENNE* martphone" mais je suis pas sur qu'un niveau A2 puisse connaitre cette regle en français donc ça serait mieux de dire " une manière d'identifier serait de filmer la situation"

[native vigil]

Oui je dois pratiquer plus des verbes

[final lance]

Also "et qu'il commence à la filmer"

[native vigil]

Votre nouvelle phrase est mieux

Way better

[hollow pasture]

Ainsi, il A une PREUVE en video

[native vigil]

Oui vous comprendez qoui je veux dire dans le text

M'exprimer est hard

Difficile

[hollow pasture]

c'est deja très bien ce que tu as ecrit, en france les eleves niveau A2 en anglais arrive à peine a ecrire quelques phrases justes

[final lance]

Une autre possibilité de lutter contra la discrimination sera augmenter la diversité, en particulier chez les jeunes.

1. contre, not contra
2. the conditionnel works better (serait)
3. serait d'augmenter

[native vigil]

Merci je pense

[native vigil]

Oui c'est vrai

[final lance]

La dernière manière que je lui pense est que peut-être, il n’est pas nécessaire de faire l’attention à la différence de peuple.
Enfin, je crois qu'il n'est pas nécessaire de faire attention aux différences entre les gens ?

[native vigil]

I tried to say like
"If people just stop seeing a difference between eachother they wouldnt bring it up"
I cant solve racism in my own language, nevermind french🙏

[hollow pasture]

The way it has to be in order to be correct in french is way too advanced i think, at least to say exactly what you said

les jeunes auront VERRONT que les stéréotypes sont FAUX.

[native vigil]

Should I try to talk in French or just stick to English here?

[hollow pasture]

the way you feel more comfortable

[native vigil]

C'est aussi que les conjugations des verbes sont faux?

[final lance]

Enfin, si les gens arrêtaient simplement de voir des différences entre eux, le racisme cesserait d'exister

[native vigil]

Yup I think that's too difficult

[hollow pasture]

what did you try say when you said " Qu’elles sont une façade"

[hollow pasture]

j'ai pas compris redis le anglais

do you want me to also speak in english except when i correct you ?

[final lance]

Il voulait dire que les gens s'apercevraient que le racisme, ce n'est qu'une façade en vrai

[native vigil]

That they're not true, but rephrased as an attempt to drive the point deeper if that makes sense

[hollow pasture]

ouais mais ça se dit pas trop en français je pense

[native vigil]

I understand most of it, do you feel like answering a lot of "what does this mean?" Then French😆

[native vigil]

Did I do the wrong verb conjugation again?

[native vigil]

Oui

[hollow pasture]

oh ok so you can keep that sentence but stereotype c'est masculin donc " qu'ILS sont une façade"

[hollow pasture]

ça ne me derange pas haha

[native vigil]

Ah dans mon tête j'ai toujours pensé "la stéréotype"

[hollow pasture]

ma tête c'est feminin😭

[native vigil]

Genders are... a point of improvement

[hollow pasture]

ta phrase est compréhensible mais je pense que tu n'as juste pas compris mon message

[native vigil]

Okay wait please

[hollow pasture]

oui c'est le plus dur parce que ça n'a aucune logique

[native vigil]

Exactly

[final lance]

*mauvaises

[native vigil]

So verront is conjugation of ils (voir) and faux>ne pas vrai?

[hollow pasture]

et conjugaisons pas conjugation

[final lance]

Oui

[hollow pasture]

oui

[native vigil]

Is there some rule for when to use mauvaises vs faux?

Cause both mean "wrong" right

[hollow pasture]

tu peux utiliser c'est faux aussi je ne pense pas que ce soit une grosse faute

faux is more like not accurate i don't know if that makes sense

[final lance]

On utilise mauvais pour dire "j'ai utilisé le mauvais mot"

[native vigil]

I see

It's like saying "that's a bad word" instead of "that's a wrong word"?

[final lance]

Ig you could see it like that

[native vigil]

Do you guys have advice on what to learn/how to improve next?

"Everything"

[final lance]

Your conjugation seems fine

[hollow pasture]

on dit conjugation en anglais ?

[native vigil]

Oui

[final lance]

Btw do you happen to speak spanish or italian?

[native vigil]

No why?

I know no romantic languages I think is the name

[final lance]

"On la doit recognizer" would be syntactically correct in these languages

[native vigil]

No I just forgot the rule about infinitives

[final lance]

But you need to improve your syntax, start by checking object pronouns again

[native vigil]

Syntax means order of words right

[final lance]

Yes

[native vigil]

In English you can be very free in that, that's why I struggle with it I think

[final lance]

Not really, English is also quite restricted in that regard

[native vigil]

Object pronouns is the la on on doit la recogniser right

[final lance]

Yes

[native vigil]

You think? Eh maybe

I feel free in English if that makes sense

Not in French

Not at all🙏

[final lance]

Btw, "lui penser" doesn't exist

[hollow pasture]

also you try to "frenchify" english word and most of the time it doesn't work

[final lance]

You'll either say "y penser" when talking about a concept or "penser à lui" when talking about a person

[native vigil]

Isnt it penser à qqn?

[final lance]

Yes

But we can't say "je lui pense"

Don't ask me why, this language doesn't make any sense

[native vigil]

Okay thank you

[final lance]

Np

[native vigil]

Is it only for penser (thats common)?

[final lance]

That's just a vocabulary issue, over time it will be resolved depending on various factors

[hollow pasture]

there's something in french that we call " les faux-amis" it's when a word is the same in french and in english but doesn't mean the same thing such as evidence when you wanted to say preuve

[native vigil]

Yep

[native vigil]

Yep

[native vigil]

Assister is my fav example

[final lance]

Penser, songer, tenir à, faire attention à amongst others

[final lance]

Mine is introduire

It means "to insert"

[native vigil]

😭

Definitely gotta avoid that

I want to introduce my friend

[final lance]

Just know that if you aren't extra careful you'll inadvertently end up saying something sexual

[final lance]

Je veux présenter mon ami

[native vigil]

Seems pretty French

[final lance]

I have a classmate who said "l'université m'excite"

[hollow pasture]

unfortunately you're right 😔

[final lance]

Thinking that it's like in English

[native vigil]

So

How cooked am I if I have a French exam in 2 days

It's basically that

[hollow pasture]

depends what is it about

[worthy crown]

burnt I'd say

completely fried

[native vigil]

I don't know yet

A random topic

Answer with 135 words

[hollow pasture]

oh

yea you're cooked

[native vigil]

Yippie🥰

They expect A2 so Idk

[final lance]

You could try to encourage him just a little

[hollow pasture]

french cynisim

[final lance]

Brutal honesty

[native vigil]

Phoque

[hollow pasture]

well i don't know how they evalute A2 but i think what you did is pretty good so far for that level

[native vigil]

You can be honest yk

[hollow pasture]

also correct me if i make mistakes in english i struggle sometimes

[native vigil]

Seems fine to me

[worthy crown]

@final lance @hollow pasture if you were to evaluate the text what would it be out of 20?

[hollow pasture]

compared to french people A2 in english yours is pretty good for a A2

[final lance]

For an A2 level ig a 15-16

[hollow pasture]

are you guys american because american way of grading and fench way are very different

american are more soft in the grading

[native vigil]

French use percentages right

[final lance]

Or lower, saying recognizer instead of reconnaître and the more serious syntactical errors could tank his grade

[hollow pasture]

no we grade out of 20

[native vigil]

Go on then

Say itttt

[hollow pasture]

can i grade it the french way ? 😭

[native vigil]

Yes fair enough

[final lance]

Go ahead

[worthy crown]

true, how would you suggest to work on that?

[native vigil]

Its over

[hollow pasture]

i would say 11

[native vigil]

A PASS

[worthy crown]

are you sure?

[native vigil]

The exam is either failing and not being allowed or passing and maybe being allowed

[final lance]

Some, like the placement of object pronouns are easily fixable

[hollow pasture]

yea a 15 would be appropriate if he only did spelling error and genders

in france teachers are very harsh

[worthy crown]

@native vigil take note hats

[native vigil]

Found the native

[final lance]

Others, like the weird formulation of "La dernière manière que je lui pense est que peut-être, il n’est pas nécessaire de faire l’attention à la différence de peuple." are a matter of exposure to the language, vocabulary acquisition and having "a deeper knowledge/understanding" of it. Then again, he's at an A2 level

So he should be ok with simple sentences

[hollow pasture]

maybe try to do the simplest sentences possible

[native vigil]

So my strat should be: keep it simple?

Yes

Okay

[worthy crown]

I feel like a parent discussing grades with teachers

[final lance]

Yes, unless you're so certain of your performance that you want to impress your grader(s)

[native vigil]

Im not

[final lance]

Just keep it simple then

So long as you're able to express your ideas in a coherent manner you're fine

[hollow pasture]

the sentences should also be as little as possible. even as a native, teachers tell us to no overcomplicate our sentences

[native vigil]

The only thing I find is that woth shorter sentences it feels very repetitive

But I suppose that's just A2 life for now

I'll still make a lot of mistakes too

[final lance]

You could try writing a more complicated sentence, by using a connector like parce que = because

[native vigil]

Yupyup

[final lance]

Just be careful

Bigger sentences = bigger margin of error

[native vigil]

Indeed

[hollow pasture]

diversify your verbs

[native vigil]

Yes

To make simple phrases appealing you need a larger vocab

But that's whatever

Just trying to survive then

[final lance]

At an A2 level, I doubt he knows many synonymes for words like "dire"

[native vigil]

Dire😭 raconter?

No odea

[final lance]

That's good

[native vigil]

Maybe parelr if you phrase it just right but

Idk

Parler*

[final lance]

Admettre, déclarer, exprimer, énoncer

[native vigil]

Yea see if I see the words I understand

But thinking of em myself

[final lance]

Admettre = to admit
Déclarer = to declare
Exprimer = to express
énoncer = to enounce (of all the verbs I could think of I had to come up with the most formal choice)

[native vigil]

Yup yup

[final lance]

Btw have you learnt the subjunctive yet?

[native vigil]

Uuuhhhh yes for a few verbs

Etre turned to sois and soit and stuff I think

[final lance]

Yep

[hollow pasture]

yea i didn't express myself very well it's getting pretty late in france 😭

[native vigil]

I know conditionnel better/find it easier, it's just the most r-heavy version of the word

Sera
Fera
Etcetera

[final lance]

Je te comprends, il est aussi tard ici

[native vigil]

Moi-même (?)

[final lance]

Alright

[final lance]

myself

[native vigil]

I'll practice it more and see where to use it better

[native vigil]

Whoops

Ykwim tho

Moi aussi

Or something

Great

[final lance]

For your level just know that it's used after verbs like aimer and detester

[native vigil]

Yea like emotions and opinions

[final lance]

Yep

[native vigil]

Can I come back next morning/evening with more labour

[hollow pasture]

of course but i don't know if we are ine the same time zone

[native vigil]

I think we are

European western something

I'm Belgian my beloved trilingual country

[final lance]

Sure, just ping me so I can see your message

[hollow pasture]

oh you come from the flamand side ?

[native vigil]

Yes

[final lance]

Does Netherlands dutch sound like somebody inserted a potato in their throat to you?

Afaik flemish has a more normal pronunciation

[native vigil]

My moms from Holland

So im used to it

[final lance]

Alright

[native vigil]

My dads from a region where the Dutch sounds like German but is basically isnt

[native vigil]

Softer

Not normal perse

The more west u go the softer it gets

Imma sleep

[final lance]

In writing Dutch looks like butchered English

[native vigil]

Thanks a lot for the help guys

[final lance]

Goodnight

[native vigil]

Might help clutch

[native vigil]

You too (sleep is healthy fyi)

[native vigil]

Nee dat is niet zo

[fast bobcat]

(That’s futur simple, conditionnel présent would be serait, ferait)

[native vigil]

oops

anyway

guess who's back

help me

Quelles sont les qualités dont un militaire doit disposer

Dans la défense, ils sont beaucoup de choix du travail. Ainsi, les militaires doivent disposer des qualités différentes. Par exemple, un soldat doit avoir la capacité à suivre des commandes, mais un technicien doit avoir d’intelligence. La variété dans l’armée fait la défense forte. Mais ils y ont absolument des qualités qui sont nécessaire pour chaque personne dans l’armée. Comme être discipliné, parce que des militaires doivent se lever au temps. Être sociale aussi, parce que les gens dans l’armée forment des groupes tout le temps. Une autre qualité qui est nécessaire est l’adaptabilité. Un militaire sera confronté à des nouveaux environnements très souvent. Je crois que quelqu’un peut apprendre ces qualités. Mais il est plus difficile pour certaines gens. Enfin, je pense que les qualités que les militaires doivent disposer est l’adaptabilité, être discipliné et être sociale.

I tried shorter phrases but still

yeah

[native vigil]

assistance whenever you prefer

[native vigil]

assistance whenever you prefer

[worthy crown]

okay bot

@final lance @hollow pasture hi guys, would appreciate your help again :)

[final lance]

I'll be able to help in some hours

[worthy crown]

okays

[final lance]

I'm back

[worthy crown]

that was quick, you think you can help now?

[final lance]

Yeah

[final lance]

I was just gaming with a friend

[worthy crown]

gotchu

[worthy crown]

by all means, you can start grilling him abt the text now lol

[final lance]

To begin with, to say "there is" in French we say "il y a"

Dans la défense il y a beaucoup de choix de travail

" Ainsi, les militaires doivent disposer des qualités différentes."

de + du/de la/de l'/ des = de -> de qualités différentes

That said "disposer de différentes qualités" seems to be the most correct to me

"Par exemple, un soldat doit avoir la capacité à suivre des commandes, mais un technicien doit avoir d’intelligence."

avoir la capacité de

avoir de l'intelligence

"Mais ils y ont absolument des qualités qui sont nécessaire pour chaque personne dans l’armée."

Il y a is only used in the singular since it is an impersonnal expression

Il y a absolument des qualités qui sont nécessaires

Comme être discipliné, parce que des militaires doivent se lever au temps.

This phrase is almost correct

But, you should use the definite article les instead of the partitive des since you're talking about soldiers in general

And it's à temps , not au temps

"Mais il est plus difficile pour certaines gens"

Wtf, you got pronoun placement wrong yesterday but you know about the rules regarding the gender of adjectives with gens?

Enfin, je pense que les qualités que les militaires doivent disposer est l’adaptabilité, être discipliné et être sociale.
Since we say "disposer de" que needs to be replaced by dont, thus "les qualités dont les militaires doivent disposer". Also, since you're talking about more than one quality you have to use sont and not est

Enfin, je pense que les qualités dont les militaires doivent disposer, ce sont l’adaptabilité, la discipline et la sociabilité.

[worthy crown]

once you’re done correcting could you also grade it out of 20 please? and is it better than the one sent yesterday

[final lance]

It's far better imo

I'd give him a 16+

"La variété dans l’armée fait la défense forte"
rend not fait

[worthy crown]

yay thats good

he’s working on something atm so will reply to you in a bit

[final lance]

Are you an irl friend of his?

[worthy crown]

thank you for the corrections john

I think so?

[native vigil]

what game

if I may ask

[native vigil]

yes thank you

in my head I go "there are=il est" but I'll try to make that "there are=il y a"

[native vigil]

I see

that's confusing but important

so basically phrases like beaucoup de never change to beacoup des or beacoup de la?

[native vigil]

okay I need to learn this de vs de l' vs l' thing

[native vigil]

okay that seems more natural

[native vigil]

hmmm

I don't understand

I thought les meant specific and des meant general

[native vigil]

alright thank you

[native vigil]

uhhhhhhhhhhh

certains just didn't feel right

n French, the word "gens" (people) is unique because it can be considered both masculine and feminine, depending on the context. While generally treated as masculine, when preceded by an adjective, that adjective will be feminine.

cool

[native vigil]

okay

I understand

I find that so difficult tho

I don't know the disposer de, penser à...

skill issue I know

thanks for the help

[final lance]

Dw prepositions will always be a nuisance

[fast bobcat]

Never. If you ever see « beaucoup des », it means that « des » here is a contraction of the preposition and the definite article

« J'ai compris beaucoup des problèmes dont tu parlais. »
=> J'ai compris beaucoup de + les problèmes dont tu parlais.

'I understood a lot of the problems about which you were talking.

[hollow pasture]

Sorryyy I was super busy all day yesterday but if there’s something else you need advice for I m available all day

[worthy crown]

Hii, no worries

thank you though we’ll defo ask if we need more advice

[hollow pasture]

so u can practice gender