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[fast depot]

it's not talking about y, y is apparently called an "adverbial pronoun"

[swift marsh]

Is y not one of the "pronoms COI"?

[rustic scarab]

y substitutes for "à [something]"

[fast depot]

i guess not, never really thought about it. i usually think of y as replacing a phrase beginning with à

[rustic scarab]

wait i'm confused about the question

i withdraw from here ooooo

[fast depot]

u were right though

[rustic scarab]

i thought they were asking why you don't use à with no object of the preposition

[swift marsh]

yes I agree, I was just confused with the terms they used

because what I learnt is that indirect object pronouns include y

[rustic scarab]

so what do you mean to ask? 🙏

[swift marsh]

So I thought the article was saying that we cannot say "allez-y", "nous y allons". But it turns out to me that they did not mean "y"

...after reading both of your explanations

[mental idol]

well originally « y » just applied to going to/staying at places like « Je vais à Paris » becoming « J’y vais »; that’s why « Je vais dans le parc / en France » can also be replaced with « j’y vais ».
« y » then slowly got generalised until it applied abstract things as well: « Je m’habitue à ton comportement => Je m’y habitue »

The cases where it didn’t apply were where the indirect object was a dative object. Dative objects can stand for a bunch of stuff but it applies a sort of recipient. In the structure « envoyer qqch à qqn », the indirect object « à qqn » ‘receives’ or ‘is the recipient’ of the direct object « qqch ». When an indirect object has this recipient role, it cannot be replaced by « y ». Rather, we would use « lui/leur ».

[rain ermine]

"y" means "there" so you're talking about some place

[shadow bramble]

What they mean is things like luk

*lui

You can't say lui aller

Well you can but it means sth else

Ça lui va = he's okay with it OR it fits him well

Ça y va = it's going there

Altho "ça y va" specifically is mostly used as an expression to say they're going at it

[rain ermine]

what about "ça va à le"?

[shadow bramble]

No that's incorrect

[mental idol]

le is only a direct object pronoun so it’s never right