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[oak furnace]

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[narrow swan]

Conjugation is not affected by gender

Only adjectives and nouns can be affected by gender as far as I can think of (not necessarily social gender or sex, grammatical gender usually takes priority)
Past participles sort of falling under adjectives, since they're sometimes affected by gender and sometimes not

[timid glade]

So it’s just who it’s about. It’s not like females talk with nouns either an additional é or anything

[narrow swan]

I'm not sure what you're referring to, it's not specific enough I think

[timid glade]

do females and males talk differently

[narrow swan]

Women and men may use different adjectives or nouns when speaking

[timid glade]

argh

more confusion

[narrow swan]

If referring to themselves and the adjective or noun changes based on their gender

[timid glade]

okay but not like generally speaking

[narrow swan]

That's insanely vague

Do you have an example

[austere thunder]

For the most part, it's just adjectives (participles included) that the speaker uses to describe themselves.

Je suis content. (male speaker)
Je suis contente. (female speaker)

[timid glade]

Like that yes

but that’s just because the “je” is a female

so you have to use the conjugation for f

[austere thunder]

Yeah, it depends on the gender of what you're describing, which is yourself in this case. You don't change the verbs or anything.

[fierce heron]

All languages have socially conditioned differences between men and women when it comes to speech. Some languages have those codified into their structure, French is not one of those languages.

If we ignore socially-conditioned differences, only nouns, pronouns, and adjectives will change to match the gender of the person being referred to. But I’ll always say “Elle est contente” or “il est content”… my gender doesn’t affect that, only the gender of the noun being modified makes a difference

[timid glade]

yes okay

I just now in f.ex polish females and males litt talk differently

[austere thunder]

yeah no i know what you mean

[icy quarry]

all languages?

[austere thunder]

they don't do that in french

[icy quarry]

in english theres just he and she
in turkish i can't think of anything

[austere thunder]

yeah i don't think turkish has any

i don't know turkish but i thought it was generally genderless

[icy quarry]

it is

o can be he, she or it

[austere thunder]

peak pronoun

[icy quarry]

yes

[fierce heron]

You misunderstand what I’m referring to. I’m talking about things like vocab choice and wording to be more passive or aggressive. It’s stuff that linguists measure, but it’s not codified as part of the language, for the most part. Some East Asian languages will change a bunch of things, some pacific languages have different verbs if you’re a man or a woman…

But when I’m talking about social conditioned differences I’m talking about something that’s more central to human society than to any given language

[timid glade]

But it’s not like that in French right

just the thing ur addressing changes conjugations, so men and women say the same sentence if trying to say the same

[fierce heron]

I mean, there’s a spectrum, but generally speaking aside from adjectives and pronouns, men and women speak for the most part the same way

[timid glade]

wdym spectrum

[fierce heron]

I mean… there’s a spectrum lol

[timid glade]

I don’t mean gender norms I’m talking about the language itself

[fierce heron]

I don’t know how to say that differently lol

The amount of gender information codified into the French language is relatively little

[austere thunder]

Bottom line, the language doesn't change. Adjectives might depending on what you're describing, but verbs and whatnot don't change based on your gender.

[timid glade]

ok thanks

[icy quarry]

some adjectives do but it just depends on what the adjective refers to

[austere thunder]

yes

[timid glade]

needed to clarify that

[icy quarry]

like content, contente

[timid glade]

yea so not the person itself

being a female doesn’t mean u say a sentence different than a male

[icy quarry]

if they say je suis, yeah, but otherwise no

[austere thunder]

unless you're describing yourself, no

[timid glade]

more like chuis 🙄

[timid glade]

👌🏻

[icy quarry]

yeah xd

[austere thunder]

all my homies say "dje swees"

[icy quarry]

juh swiss

👍

[timid glade]

is that an accent

[austere thunder]

no it's just wrong 💔

[timid glade]

lmfao