#Tout doucement

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quaint pelican
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because i hear some people saying

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meh

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English meh

latent breach
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that sounded like muntenant

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well you said so many things idk how to reply

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but yeah i think maintenant does have the in sound

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it's exactly like è but nasal

tranquil nebula
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.pronounce maintenant

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# tranquil nebula .pronounce maintenant
Pronounciation Ressources on: **maintenant**

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https://forvo.com/word/maintenant/#fr
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Youglish

https://youglish.com/pronounce/maintenant/french

Wiktionary

https://fr.wiktionary.org/wiki/maintenant#Prononciation

noble path
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I would say it depends a lot on the accent and even the individual speaker, really you can get away with saying it either way, in fact I usually just skip the first n and say it as "matnan"

quaint pelican
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but again people have very different accents

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Un to you will not be un in a different country

quaint pelican
quaint pelican
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I've definitely heard matnan before

pallid thicket
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maintenant can be said in a lot of different ways for sure

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wiktionnaire has 3 listed

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i say it like this

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quaint pelican
subtle dock
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I've never heard mantenant though there's probably someone that says it that way outside of france, switerland, belgium and quebec at least

quaint pelican
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close enough

subtle dock
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Just classic consonant switching

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Well not even ig

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But still normal

quaint pelican
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even then again I've heard man, just depends on the part of france because I've def heard it

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not always but yh

subtle dock
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In france it would surprise me quite a lot

quaint pelican
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lol diff parts of france speak so differently than others tho lol. Its like being surprised when someone from Florida sounds diff than someone from New York

subtle dock
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Never heard that from a Frenchie, I've heard of an en/in merger in certain parts of northern Africa iirc but that's not a normal merger anywhere in france to my knowledge

quaint pelican
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type shi

subtle dock
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Doesn't mean there's literally no one that uses it

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Just that it's not a standard pronunciation anywhere really

quaint pelican
subtle dock
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So an entire state is one city in france?

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I mean I'd be glad to hear any examples you have of someone from france merging the two, but the un/in merger already being rampant in france I feel like they'd run into some difficulty merging three of the 4+ nasal sounds when they're pretty important to comprehension

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Even if there were a three way merger it's unlikely the middle ground would be straight up "an"

quaint pelican
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especially when my point was "yeah some guy knows someone from every crevice and city from France"

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especially when even cities within states speak differently than other cities within said state

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new york is the best example of that

subtle dock
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My point was that no one can ever know what every single individual speaker in an entire country speaks like, but knowing a few people from all of the major regions (not cities, not "every single crevice", which I ignored) can give you a good idea of what all of the standard pronunciations are. That is not a documented merger I've ever seen in France, I've only heard of the merger happening in North Africa. Obviously there are people with that accent who live in France, so maybe you could hear it from them and maybe even their close friends or something, but it's not a standard pronunciation in France

quaint pelican
# subtle dock My point was that no one can ever know what every single individual speaker in a...
  1. you knowing a few people from every single state by itself also sounds kind of bullllll😭😭😭. That's just so random, idek atleast one person from every principal state nor regional Corporation in my own island and keyword "island" which is more smaller than france 😭😭😭 i doubt even a random dude from paris or nice just casually has on their bucket list to know someone from every area of france like you claim
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Claiming that "mantenan" isn’t a valid pronunciation in France simply because it's more commonly associated with North Africa overlooks the linguistic reality of modern France🙃, where immigrant communities particularly from North and West Africa make up a significant portion of the population, especially in urban and suburban areas. These communities don't exist on the margins of French society, their speech patterns actively shape contemporary spoken French. The idea that a pronunciation must originate from "native" or "documented" French to be legitimate reinforces a narrow and outdated view of language. Whether this variant arose in Africa or not is irrelevant if it's being spoken regularly in France, by French citizens, in French contexts, then it’s part of the French linguistic landscape. Language is not static bro☠️, and insisting on standardization ignores the real world social and demographic factors that drive linguistic change as is. "Mantenan" is valid PRECISELY because it reflects how a large and influential portion of the population actually speaks.🙂

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especially considering how much these immigrants affect current day french pronunciation or slang

subtle dock
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I didn't say "invalid" I said it was not a standard pronunciation

quaint pelican
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my bad

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i have brain fog

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from medicine withdrawal

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i read it fastly

tranquil nebula
quaint pelican
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i swore i saw invalid somewhere

quaint pelican
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isn't comparable at all because those latinos aren't English natives☠️

subtle dock
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I also asked if you had any examples of people from France using that pronunciation
things aren't "invalid" just because they're not standard in the region where the person lives

subtle dock
tranquil nebula
quaint pelican
subtle dock
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most of them use french primarily in schooling and not everyday life though

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depends

quaint pelican
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their kids are not gonna say jess

subtle dock
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you can find a very wide variety of proficiency

quaint pelican
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I've actually never seen that from any latino in america whose first language wasn't already Spanish from another country and picked up English as a 2L

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wether its mexican

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dominican

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colombian

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venezuelan

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definitely not my venezuelan family

quaint pelican
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doesn't change the prononciation differences or how its affected

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for example in the Caribbean people speak french and creole every day

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code switch every hour

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neither of any is "neglected"

subtle dock
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depends on the person

quaint pelican
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La côte d'ivoire speaks french 24/7

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Sénégal also speaks ALOT of french

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for North African countries i can understand

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but for countries like benin and etc they use french aloy

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alot

subtle dock
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I've met many north africans who struggled way more than non native intermediates
ive met non native north africans who spoke with just a "normal" france accent
ive met pretty much everything in between but it's usually closer to one or the other

quaint pelican
# subtle dock depends on the person

this is true, some people like french more than creole and vice versa but usually and the prononciation can vary in the Caribbean but even the most "frenchified" vs the most "creolized" french speaker in the caribbean will sound like they're from the same place nevertheless

quaint pelican
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North Africans aren't usually natives

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like moroccans algerians etf

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etc

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ig you can count em as such if they learnt it at a young age

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even for the ones who use french in school

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considering school, official doccuments, work and news/television being a detrimental part of most lives

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its safe to say its being used consistently nevertheless

subtle dock
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do you mean fundamental?

quaint pelican
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i deadass typed defining

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tf

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😂😂

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lol woops