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chilly jewel
Also i have no idea what it sounds like irl, if anyone has an example i would be eternally grateful
gusty cargo
It's like the equivalent of ugh in english
it's used to express disappointment
you can use it mostly either by itself or preceding a negative comment
stuck flicker
More like annoyance. It's like "oh come on" in English.
Or argh.
Here's this thread to help you a bit: https://forum.wordreference.com/threads/rhô-onomatopée-pour-râler.1642487/
gusty cargo
More like annoyance. It's like "oh come on" in English.
yeah that's the word I was looking for, annoyance
I still think ugh is better because it's a lot more common than "argh"
you can find it too in roh là là which is like a more "annoyed" oh là là
restive swan
some people type orh too
cursive magnet
Here's this thread to help you a bit: <https://forum.wordreference.com/threads/r...
I'd like to add to that, that often, it is not derogatory, it's a way to attach some satire to the meaning and is meant to be ironic.
In fact, I don't think the common use is the obvious meaning of sigh, I think it's often carrying some sort of comical ulterior meaning, to punctuate a joke. (Objectively, that's a discursive marker, and it carries no meaning lexicographically, but semantically, it often carries the meaning of "sigh" but very exaggerated, so exaggerated that it is rarely taken seriously.)
Roh, tu pourrais faire un effort quand même !
The exception to that is when the /o/ isn't pronounced.
Then in this case, its meaning is clear annoyance (Especially when there's some sort of phonetic "click consonant" directly after or before.) and not like argh or sigh, but like similarly to something along the line of X me fait royalement chier.
chilly jewel
Thanks for the detailed responses ☺️ I still have no idea what it actually sounds like irl though 
I must have heard it by now but just didn't recognize it.
chilly jewel
I'd like to add to that, that often, it is not derogatory, it's a way to attach ...
I saw it used exactly like that in a webtoon and was kinda confused, thank you!
Is it actually pronounced like \ʁo\ ?
cursive magnet
Yes.
chilly jewel
And what click consonant o.o
cursive magnet
You use them everyday !
cursive magnet
Hard to describe without a microphone, but overall, it's when you press your tongue on your palate or alveolus and do a sound without any air.
chilly jewel
i see 
cursive magnet
wait let's see if I can find one online.
that's short enough, and that's an amazing video.
chilly jewel
ah yeah I've seen that 👀
chilly jewel
is that the one that u do after roh?
cursive magnet
Not exactly, but it is a bit similar.
chilly jewel
rohh
cursive magnet
I think the one at 1:48 is closer.
cursive magnet
it's the click of "you are pissing me off".
Yeah, I assumed it's kinda universal, but I'm no expert in clicks.
chilly jewel
i usually see it written as 'tsk'
in english
we also do it repeated like 'tsk tsk tsk' but some people also say literally 'tisk tisk tisk' which, now I'm wondering if that's overcorrection
anyway thanks for your help 
cursive magnet
we also do it repeated like 'tsk tsk tsk' but some people also say literally 'ti...
I thought it was like a /ts/, which is not a click, it's a regular consonant. (for it to be a click, you need to be able to use it voiceless, without any air in your lungs, and without expelling any air behind or in front of your tongue.)
But it's sometimes hard to understand what people means when they use somewhat close onomatopoeias instead.
(I trust you though, if you tell me that it's more like a click.)
chilly jewel
(I trust you though, if you tell me that it's more like a click.)
attends je demo
chilly jewel
(I trust you though, if you tell me that it's more like a click.)
tho, i consider it pretty rude to openly "tsk" click at people and i think that probably goes for americans in general, it's an expression of frustration and disappointment
sometimes it can be other things tho like incredulity
but we're pretty cautious about expressing negativity here
usually
with strangers
at least where I've lived
maybe less so in like nyc or something
cursive magnet
Yes, that's a click !
cursive magnet
tho, i consider it pretty rude to openly "tsk" click at people and i think that ...
Yes, same thing in France, usually when a unvoiced /r:::/ sound it means "it's pissing me off", if there's that tsk behind it, it means It's really pissing me off.
cursive magnet
but we're pretty cautious about expressing negativity here
Yeah, in France it's pretty common.
We might be assholes. 
chilly jewel
Yes, same thing in France, usually when a unvoiced /r:::/ sound it means "it's p...
wow this is making me think a lot about the sounds i make. We have some sounds that are kinda similar here to an unvoiced French r, which i think would be called a "scoff"
would you say that the unvoiced /r:::/ is a type of roh ?
cursive magnet
I think it's pretty similar, let me check it out.
chilly jewel
cursive magnet
Yeah, those are pretty similar, different sounds carry different semantic meaning, but overall, yes.
I wouldn't say roh is a scoff (depends on how it's used really), but I'd say that what I've been talking is midway through both.
chilly jewel
is the r in roh always unvoiced? i think i get better what sound we're talking about now
cursive magnet
No, I think the more unvoiced, the less ironic it is.