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neat ore
did i get everything right and can anybody help me with the sentences that i couldn’t figure out??
also this isn’t copyrighted matieral so mods pls don’t delete this
well it’s licensed under creative commons so attribution is all that’s needed: https://github.com/progit/progit2-fr
leaden gull
Your book has a mistake.
Bien que la plurpart des commandes et des concepts clés sont encore valables ...
The subjunctive follows 'Bien que', so it should say 'soient encore valables'.
Your understanding looks correct to me.
Even the parts you're unsure of.
neat ore
> Bien que la plurpart des commandes et des concepts clés sont encore valables ....
oh? is this one of those things where that’s how you’re technically supposed to do it but people still diverge from The Correct Standard Usage in practice? or is this actually a mistake mistake that sounds weird?
neat ore
Even the parts you're unsure of.
can you tell me what those parts are exactly saying?
leaden gull
oh? is this one of those things where that’s how you’re technically supposed to ...
That I can't comment on, so maybe a native will show up soon.
leaden gull
can you tell me what those parts are exactly saying?
It started to gain popularity in certain communities, but it hadn't yet attained the ubiquity it has today.
leaden gull
can you tell me what those parts are exactly saying?
What they say is what you assumed, so I'm not sure what to add.
*pluparts.
neat ore
> It started to gain popularity in certain communities, but it hadn't yet attain...
why no « pas »?
n’avait pas percé chez les developpeurs purs et durs
hadn’t penetrated… the homes? of diehard developers?
i can vaguely tell what it’s trying to say but can u break it down pls
leaden gull
why no « pas »?
Consider the same in English:
But nowhere did he not attain ...
It's too much negation.
But nowhere did he attain ...
Ne ... nulle part.
Il n'est pas nulle part -> He is not nowhere (he is somewhere).
leaden gull
> n’avait pas percé chez les developpeurs purs et durs
Had not caught on with the experienced developers.
austere ore
oh? is this one of those things where that’s how you’re technically supposed to ...
second bit
I’ve never seen the conjunction « bien que » followed by the indicative
leaden gull
Neither have I, but I wasn't confident enough to claim that it's completely wrong or just a product of casual speech.
austere ore
Casual speech is more like
« malgré que »
Now that I’ve seen
Or a more fitting comparison would be « après qu’il ait fait »
because usually when you have casual speech that isn’t grammatical it’ll still pop up from time to time
leaden gull
My two native languages both have casual speech erasing more formal constructions, so French could have been the same. 😌
austere ore
so even though « malgré que » isn’t grammatically a thing
I still see « malgré que » in forums, comment sections, video essays, etc
austere ore
yet « bien que … sont », never saw that
leaden gull
It seems like the sort of thing that should exist, so I'm not surprised to see it show up more and more.
austere ore
Well I did see that but not as a conjunction
neat ore
La communauté Open Source utilisant Git a elle aussi massivement augmenté
austere ore
Yeah that’s grammatical
neat ore
> La communauté Open Source utilisant Git a elle aussi massivement augmenté
the open source community… what does it have to do with git? it uses git? …has augmented? has been augemented?
leaden gull
the open source community… what does it have to do with git? it uses git? …has a...
Has also improved a lot.
neat ore
Has also improved a lot.
the OSS community that uses git? has also improved a lot?
neat ore
how am i to make sense of this sentence 
austere ore
« La communauté Open Source utilisant Git a, elle, aussi massivement augmenté.. »
‘The Open Source community that uses Git has also massively improved..’
neat ore
utilisant? not qui utilise ?
austere ore
utilisant? not qui utilise ?
both work
leaden gull
The open-source community—which uses Git—has itself come a long way.
austere ore
present participles are understood as qui verbe
neat ore
oh really
leaden gull
utilisant? not qui utilise ?
'Using' vs 'which uses'.
neat ore
i saw it on duolingo but they all took the « en participle » form
leaden gull
The community using Git = The community which uses Git.
neat ore
like « en entrant la salle, … »
austere ore
Le policier utilisant son arme doit faire attention
Le policier qui utilise son arme doit faire attention
austere ore
i saw it on duolingo but they all took the « en *participle* » form
That’s another thing
leaden gull
i saw it on duolingo but they all took the « en *participle* » form
The gerondif would be 'en utilisant Git' -> By using Git, ...
austere ore
En + present participle = Gérondif
Just the present participle = Either verb or adjective
neat ore
« La communauté Open Source utilisant Git a, elle, aussi massivement augmenté.. ...
but why the « elle »?
austere ore
cuz some present participles can be used as adjectives like « intéressant »
austere ore
but why the « elle »?
In formal French, the subject may be repeated after the verb in tonic form to sort of remind the reader what we’re talking about
neat ore
La communauté Open Source utilisant Git a, elle, aussi massivement augmenté
The Open Source community – using git – has, itself, also massively evolved
like this?
austere ore
Cuz « a aussi massivement augmenté » can either refer to « la communauté » or « Git »
leaden gull
... utilisant Git a, elle aussi, massivement augmenté.
That's where I'd put the commas.
To refer to the community improving.
neat ore
« La communauté Open Source utilisant Git a, elle, aussi massivement augmenté.. ...
but he put them there
leaden gull
I can see both working.
neat ore
what’s the difference between the two?
austere ore
Lawson a toutefois assuré que cette mauvaise expérience n’avait pas atteint sa confiance en lui : « Tous les pilotes qui sont ici croient en eux. Si vous n’avez pas ça, cela rend les choses très difficiles. Ce qui s’est passé ne change pas vraiment ce que je pense de moi-même ». Max Verstappen n’a, lui, pas souhaité expliquer publiquement son opinion quand à cette décision prise par son écurie.
The bold part
also that error in « quant à » lmao
neat ore
> Lawson a toutefois assuré que cette mauvaise expérience n’avait pas atteint sa...
Lawson was always sure that this bad experience didn’t inspire confidence in him??
All pilots are here?? beliving in them??
if you don’t have what?? that gave very difficult things???
what happened didn’t really change what i thought of myself?
Max V himself didn’t hope to publicly explain his opinion when this decision… what??
il y a presque cinq ans de cela
five years ago… de cela? what does that mean?
austere ore
Lawson has nevertheless assured that this bad experience hadn’t affected his confidence in him. ‘Every pilot here believes in them [Yuki Tsunoda and Sergio Perez]. If you don’t have [that belief/trust], it makes things very difficult. What happened doesn’t really change what I think of myself.’ Max Verstappen did not wish, himself, to publicly explain his opinion regarding this decision taken by his racing team.
austere ore
> il y a presque cinq ans de cela
five years ago… de cela? what does that mean?
From that, depends on context
neat ore
ahh hmm
…je venais juste de commencer à travailler dans une entreprise peu connue développant un site web hébergeant Git appelée GitHub.
is this a typo? the word isn’t listed on my dictionary
neat ore
https://www.cnrtl.fr/definition/d%C3%A9veloppant
oh weird, https://www.wordreference.com/fren/développant was what i checked
but thanks!!
finite oyster
oh weird, <https://www.wordreference.com/fren/développant> was what i checked
It's there
First thing on the page you sent
neat ore
but then how would i translate the sentence?
i had just started working at a little known company developping a git hosting website called github?
oh that actually makes sense
finite oyster
oh i thought it meant ‘did you mean’ like on google
This is what that would look like
finite oyster
i had just started working at a little known company *developping* a git hosting...
Yes
austere ore
Although the majority of commands and key concepts are still valid today given that the (heart??) core team (??) behind Git has been rather fantastic in maintaining backwards compatibiity (is what i’m guessing it’s saying, but why « ascendante »?), there have been significant additions and changes in the community surrounding Git.
« ascendante » is 'rising' so maybe the author meant 'increasing'?
It started to gain popularity in certain communities, but it hadn’t ??? (i can tell it’s trying to say ‘reached the ubiquity it has today’)
For what it's worth, « atteindre » entered English as 'attained'
« Il a commencé à gagner de la popularité dans certaines communautés, mais n’avait atteint nulle part l’ubiquité qu’il a aujourd’hui »
It started to gain some popularity in certain communities but hadn't attained/reached no where near the ubiquity that it has today
Actually, no, that « nulle part » is bothering me a bit
austere ore
so my instinct is telling me 'nowhere near'
but I looked it up on WordReference and it doesn't have that meaning
« ne … nulle part » only means 'nowhere' as in we are in an unknown place
leaden gull
austere ore
I checked CNRTL as well
only spatial meaning
'nowhere near', in the context I've just used, is not a spatial meaning, it's more of an intensifier of sorts
finite oyster
"certaines communautés" kinda gives away that it's referring to the same thing
Some communities saw popularity, but nowhere (no communities/etc) did it have the level of popularity it does now
leaden gull
^
austere ore
To be fair, translating it as 'nowhere else' makes sense to me though I'd be a bit iffy that « ailleurs » is not in there
austere ore
Some communities saw popularity, but nowhere (no communities/etc) did it have th...
Hmm… plausible
finite oyster
That doesn't make sense to me
austere ore
'It started to gain some popularity in certain communities but hadn't attained/reached the ubiquity that it has today in anywhere else.'
finite oyster
That wouldn't work
finite oyster
It's saying it had a little bit of popularity but nothing like today
So referring to "anywhere else" makes no sense
austere ore
Alright then
leaden gull
It gained some popularity in certain communities, but nowhere (in none of those aforementioned communities) was it as popular as it is today.
finite oyster
Because the small popularity in those places also is incomparable to today's popularity
austere ore
I'll just take it at face value
final mason