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[torn wyvern]

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[strong bear]

Les trois formes du conditionnel passé ??

Tu parles de l'indicatif ?

Passé composé, imparfait, passé simple, plus-que-parfait ?

[sacred jetty]

I think they're trying to say present conditional + past conditional + subjonctif plus-que-parfait?

[solemn pine]

yes 😭 did i say smthg wrong

[sacred jetty]

You said 3 tenses but asked for help specifically with the "past conditional tenses" (which there are only 1-2 depending on how you count it)

[solemn pine]

i mean the sentences that start with 'Si'

[sacred jetty]

Oh, those arent separate tenses, nor specifically in the past

[solemn pine]

yeah i think one is si + présent

[sacred jetty]

they're called si clauses basically

[solemn pine]

yes

[sacred jetty]

I'll just continue what I was writing about the past conditionals but I'll help with that in a sec lol

[solemn pine]

im studying french in german so its kinda difficult for me to translate the terms 🫠

[sacred jetty]

Subjonctif plus-que-parfait can be called the conditionnel passé 2e forme when used in place of a normal past conditional
It's just because Latin didn't have a conditional tense, so subjunctive was used to express the same thing, and it was only really retained to some degree in formal, mostly written contexts with probably the second rarest subjunctive form (subjonctif plus-que-parfait), to my knowledge it has the same exact meaning as the past conditional, just sounds... Fancier ig

But this doesn't apply to anything you were asking

And you don't need to know it lol

I usually only see it like, in news articles sometimes

https://www.lawlessfrench.com/grammar/si-clauses-conditionals/

This has the info on the si clauses, purple text is links to further info on each one

[solemn pine]

the main thing im struggling with is when to use what

are there equivalents in english?

since im studying in german, which isnt my mother tongue, im struggling to make connections

[sacred jetty]

English uses the subjunctive in some of them so it's a bit weird but does the page not have translations?

[solemn pine]

huh?

oh nono im studying french at school

[sacred jetty]

The page I sent, it has a bunch of examples of them

[solemn pine]

o h

yeah i havent checked it out, just clicked on the tab just now

[sacred jetty]

Or rather the sub-pages

[ruby skiff]

English has pretty similar "if" constructions to french imo

[solemn pine]

i see

[ruby skiff]

idk if they're exactly the same but you can definitely make a construction with all the same tenses: if you're tired, go to bed. if i was hungry, would you feed me? if i had given him trouble, would he have fired me?

[solemn pine]

the problem being im not too keen on english grammar myself since it IS my mother tongue and i like to wing it 😭

i am currently reading the site

[sacred jetty]

If I go to the store, I want to/will want to[..]
If I were to go to the store, I would want to [..]
If I had gone to the store, I would have wanted to [..]

[solemn pine]

shiii

whats the difference between imparfait and conditionnel (conjugation)?

[ruby skiff]

imparfait is a past tense, conditional is conditional, does that answer your question?

[solemn pine]

no but i found the answer 😅

i meant literally the conjugation difference

[ruby skiff]

depends on the word i guess? the conditional is usually (always?) really close to the future simple

but not the imparfait afaik

[solemn pine]

conditionnel is imparfait but with an 'er' shoved in there

depends on the verb yes but in general

i dont know how to conjugate future 😓

[ruby skiff]

i think that's only true for er verbs

[solemn pine]

yes which should be most of the verbs

basically where you add the -ais -ait -ions etc changes

shouldn't be too hard

[sacred jetty]

Conditionals have their own stem (usually the infinitive, or infinitive minus the final -e for -re verbs) which is shared with the futur simple
The conditional endings are shared with the imparfait

[cedar frigate]

the simple future tense (le futur simple) is simply the infinitive or base form of a verb + avoir
example: parler
parler + ai = je parlerai
parler + as = tu parleras
parler + a = il/elle/on parlera
parler + (av)ons = nous parlerons
parler + (av)ez = vous parlerez
parler + ont = ils/elles parleront

for -re verbs, you first delete the e before adding avoir
example: rendre -e => rendr-
rendr + ai = je rendrai
rendr + as = tu rendras
rendr + a = il/elle/on rendra
rendr + (av)ons = nous rendrons
rendr + (av)ez = vous rendrez
rendr + ont = ils/elles rendront

This way of forming the futur simple also applies for the conditional present (condtionnel présent) but just change avoir to imperfect:
example: parler
parler + (av)ais = je parlerais
parler + (av)ais = tu parlerais
parler + (av)ait = il/elle/on parlerait
parler + (av)ions = nous parlerions
parler + (av)iez = vous parleriez
parler + (av)aient = ils/elles parleraient

example: rendre -e => rendr-
rendr + (av)ais = je rendrais
rendr + (av)ais = tu rendrais
rendr + (av)ait = il/elle/on rendrait
rendr + (av)ions = nous rendrions
rendr + (av)iez = vous rendriez
rendr + (av)aient = ils/elles rendraient

Only about 20 verbs are irregular in their stems, « acquérir (acquerr-), aller (ir-), avoir (aur-), courir (courr-), devoir (devr-), envoyer (enverr-), être (ser-), faire (fer-), falloir (faudr-), pleuvoir (pleuvr-), pouvoir (pourr-), savoir (saur-), valoir (vaudr-), venir (viendr-), voir (verr-), vouloir (voudr-) »